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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless,

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Speaker 1: severely bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything, April boy? Why so you kind of don't.

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Speaker 1: You're not even like you never were an American. That's

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Speaker 1: one problem with you. But now you're not even like

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Speaker 1: you're not even Canadian. No, no, I'm totally Canadian. But

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Speaker 1: you what's going on with Australia? All right? I live

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Speaker 1: half the year in Canada and half the year in Australia.

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Speaker 1: I fell in love with an Australian bloke. Yeah, Now

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Speaker 1: do people know what you've got going on? Which part

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Speaker 1: of it? You mean this enormous belly? I'm rocket right

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Speaker 1: now that they know? So? So you got wed locked.

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Speaker 1: Let's just be honest. I just ate so much Mexican

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Speaker 1: food before I got here. It's no no, I'm pregnant.

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Speaker 1: I got married and married and pregnant. How did all

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Speaker 1: that play out? Where were you when you met the Australia? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to start there. I was on a fishing

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Speaker 1: trip in Norway and just doing my usual thing. I

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Speaker 1: the farmhouse and there was this handsome, big, aussy man

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Speaker 1: with bright blue eyes. And that was that. And he

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Speaker 1: was a tourist too. Now he goes there every year

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Speaker 1: to fish. Well, yeah, yeah, sure he's a tourist. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What were you guys fishing for Atlantic salmon? You're a fish?

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Speaker 1: Small mouth bass? Of course? I have, yeah, a large

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Speaker 1: mouth bass, Yes, of course I have. You know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I'll bet you haven't caused many, is

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Speaker 1: Matt Elliott as he laughs, well looking at bass, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know if many people have. It's pretty fancy,

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Speaker 1: so along with the april bolk. Matt Elliott's here, Mat Elliott, Um,

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Speaker 1: how many do? I just want to touch on one

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Speaker 1: thing real quick? How many bass have you caught in

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Speaker 1: your life? Nine hundred sixty two? You are not serious

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Speaker 1: right now? You don't count? Oh my god, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: work out, okay, But I've never caught one on a

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Speaker 1: fly rod. Seriously, I love fly fishing. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: seen a dude? Now, Matt has a genuine bass boat. Well,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have sparkles. I don't know mega sparkles. My daughter,

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Speaker 1: sparkles and the whole gel coat. Every color is sparkles.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I totally missed that. Right after Matt

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Speaker 1: showed me where they, oh, handles are hands? He showed

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Speaker 1: me how fat, I don't know how fast would we go?

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Speaker 1: We were like, okay, it goes eight. That's fast enough

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Speaker 1: to make you hang onto those handles. It was so rough.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe how many boats are like Washington. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: like yesterday we were out. It wasn't even close to today.

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Speaker 1: But wait, wait, wait, wait, just a line of boats.

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Speaker 1: Back to sparkles. Why does a boat have to why

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Speaker 1: fat guys? Why are they flashies? Right? Yeah? Why what

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Speaker 1: is up with that? I don't understand. You're not a

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Speaker 1: lash you guy? I have no idea answer the sparkles question.

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Speaker 1: But you have sparkles on your boat? Did you put

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Speaker 1: them there? Second? You bought a second hand at it

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Speaker 1: from a Matt is a now and then professional angler? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Is is is that fair to say? Is that what you

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Speaker 1: call it? Well? I thought, okay, I don't like. I

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Speaker 1: to put it that way. You you fish bass tournaments,

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Speaker 1: but not as your main occupation and spend tens, including

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Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of dollars, and every once in a

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Speaker 1: while we win. Like you're still you're still like running

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Speaker 1: big time. And so I had never gone real bass fishing.

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Speaker 1: never going out in by real bass question, I mean

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Speaker 1: thinking about trying live bait and um catching bass and

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Speaker 1: letting them go. Yeah, and I did that yesterday like Matt.

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Speaker 1: a lot. But Matt, so mats done, is caught. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how many baths. And the guy had never

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Speaker 1: and then we just started killing. Yeah. What did you

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Speaker 1: think of your small mouth sandwich? It was really good.

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Speaker 1: Some do in Japan probably disagree with you. There's always

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Speaker 1: Some dude somewhere would disagree with you. Ask somebody anywhere

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Speaker 1: if you can eat carp and just watch the world explode.

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Speaker 1: Everybody has an opinion. And then how do you harvest them? Anyway. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you felt weird, but I'm over it. I think

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Speaker 1: the barbs. No, but wait, our basket. But our baths

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Speaker 1: like rainbow trot. If there's too many in a lake,

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Speaker 1: they start to get kind of small. Yes, you definitely

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Speaker 1: of the common situation where it gets overpopulated. So you're

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Speaker 1: doing a favor to the fisher. It's important for people

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Speaker 1: to eat them. I just never have. I've spent all

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Speaker 1: looking at them, right, you're trying to save that. You're

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Speaker 1: trying to save something. Catch him again, Yes, that's it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's not like you're like trying to save the

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Speaker 1: to see more bass in the world. Big bass, you

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Speaker 1: don't know very many happy six year old guys. I

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Speaker 1: still have a guiding operations. You can still book guide

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Speaker 1: brank all the time? In ten hours, I mean ten

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Speaker 1: because they're usually on top of a big floating dead salmon.

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Speaker 1: And then you go around in the morning and you

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Speaker 1: gather them, throw them in the bowl at a marinae

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Speaker 1: in the sun, and on the bow of your boat,

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Speaker 1: And that's called stink bait. But I was a horrible,

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Speaker 1: didn't catch surgeon. No, no, we cause surgeon. Any monkey

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Speaker 1: you can catch surgeon. But I mean, I'm proud of

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Speaker 1: the work I did right well, Like we were part

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Speaker 1: I just wasn't really My stick isn't really much and

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Speaker 1: I just wasn't patient enough dealing with a lot of

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Speaker 1: the funk withs out there and you're drinking vodka. You

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Speaker 1: kind of both. I mean, just like a thing that

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00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,479
Speaker 1: happens with dudes is like that. But they couldn't hear

426
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: what I was saying. And that was the problem was

427
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: all these companies that are now jumping on board, and

428
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: everybody wants to have a piece of the pie. That's

429
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: not meant to be a pun I'm just saying, right,

430
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: so they want to have a piece. So now suddenly

431
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 1: your image is being used, and if you don't even

432
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: own a photo, graph is being sold without you know

433
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 1: at the time, it's being sold at your permission. Your

434
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: image is being used now in a way that you

435
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want it to be used. And so now

436
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: you're in a situation where you're not being heard, but

437
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: you're being seen, which is really hard for me because

438
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: I have a lot to say that my podcast is

439
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,239
Speaker 1: the best thing I ever did, Because now suddenly, if

440
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: you can't see me, you have to hear me, and

441
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: I think I've got some half decent things to say.

442
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, so what you'll notice, And this is

443
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 1: going to sound pretty silly, but I've actually so remember

444
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: I told you I got a ten years, and I've

445
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: taken a step back, my big step back. I'm done television.

446
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm done with all this stuff. My big step back

447
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: because I'm slowly removing my face. That's the whole point

448
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: of my entire career and always has been the whole plan. Look,

449
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 1: excuse me. So some girls want the attention. When you're

450
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: a cocktail server and you're from Surry, you get all

451
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: the attention you need. Okay, you're pumping gas, you got attention.

452
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: You're walking on the street, you get attention. You go

453
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: into safe way, you get attention. Like I don't want

454
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: the attention. I never wanted the attention. You get it

455
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: anyway as a chick. So it just when it started

456
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: coming into my career. I mean, sure, yeah, maybe it

457
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 1: helped my career, maybe it didn't. I don't know. It

458
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 1: wasn't my main focus. But now it's exhausting. It's just exhausting.

459
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't want any of it. So I'm removing my

460
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: image from the industry and putting my voice in my

461
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: words out there, and that for me, has been the

462
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: most rewarding thing I've ever done. Like my social You'll

463
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: notice it's not narcissistic. There's not a bunch of selfies

464
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, it's like, it's it's experience. It's

465
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: it's maybe what I'm experiencing it. Maybe my captions are

466
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: through my eyes. It's I'm definitely using the experience, my

467
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: words and my voice now to be heard rather than

468
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 1: my image. And that's been a very very conscious effort

469
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: for sure. Has getting married and now, yes, it's the

470
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: best thing I ever did. A lot of girls get

471
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: married and they're too afraid to tell people because they

472
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: don't want to lose their following. I went from people

473
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: wasting yeah, oh my god, you have no idea how

474
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: many women out there have got significant others because they're

475
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: thinking like once mugs, No, what's that like? Once mugs No,

476
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: the guys, once folks fellas, No, that I'm taken. Because

477
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: I think guys care. They'll be like, well, I'm not

478
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna follow her anymore because now I'm not gonna be

479
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: able to date her. I see it all the time.

480
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: It's it's hilarious. Really, that's a guy that this guy

481
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: you feel that there's evidence to suggest No, No, of course,

482
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: I don't think guys the girls think that way. Yeah,

483
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: I know girls think that way. Okay, but I thought

484
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: they were thinking that way because that's what they know.

485
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Her perception is. Yeah, yeah, let's make

486
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: sure I'm getting this right, that that they think that

487
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: if if people know that I'm married, guys won't follow

488
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: me because they all harbor this or want to go

489
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: on my trips or anything and that, and that doesn't

490
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: lead me down the path. So I will say that

491
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell you a quick story about that. Yeah, Okay.

492
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: Years ago, I spent some time a significant amount of

493
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: time in San Jose, California. I had a girlfriend that

494
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: was doing a writing fellowship in San Jose, California. So

495
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I was living in Montana but bouncing back and forth

496
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: a fair bit. And we got to be friendly with

497
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: a sushi chef and his cousin, Okay, who was the

498
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: waitress in the sushi restaurant. Just two of them worked there.

499
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: It was a guy the dishwashing the bag, and we

500
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: become social to the point where we're even going out

501
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: to dinner together with the cousins. One day it comes

502
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: out it was a slip up, and it comes out

503
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: was that they're in fact boyfriend girlfriend and we're shocked

504
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: and like why, and I don't really understand. I was

505
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: afraid he wouldn't want to commit anymore. Yes see, that's

506
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. If you knew that the waitress

507
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: was my girlfriend and that she was taken, what would

508
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: bring you in? That's that's crazy to me. How much

509
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: faith we became friends before he would tell me. But

510
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: that's my that's my point. How much faith or faith

511
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: do you not have in your products if that's what

512
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: you're relying on. I'm not that girl. I met Charles

513
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: in the second I met him, I knew I was

514
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: going to marry him. I put it up on my website,

515
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: like guys, gals, I found in love in my life

516
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: and a story. It doesn't matter, and you know why.

517
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: It was the best thing that ever happened to me.

518
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: My emails went from a bunch of people wasting my

519
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: time to suddenly people who legit. I've got now something

520
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: about a mature audience who really wants to book me

521
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: for my trips and they want to use You're not

522
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna be on the trip. No, yeah, of course not.

523
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: And that was that was the biggest eye opener for me.

524
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, getting married is one of the best things

525
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: that I ever did. And it was also very you know,

526
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: it was very very aware of making it clear to

527
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: the world that I was taking because I don't think

528
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: it should make a difference. If it makes a difference,

529
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: I don't want your I don't want your business anyway.

530
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: So it pulled some of the like, it pulled some

531
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: of the sex isn't the right word, but it pulled

532
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: some of the like sexual tension out of the air.

533
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: It did for me with bookings for sure. What it

534
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: did do it because they're like, hey, I'm gonna go

535
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: on a trip with this gal, right, maybe really like me. Well,

536
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: what it did with my host of trips, Yeah, that

537
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: changed everything. So I've always had Yeah, I've always had

538
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: a hard time selling host of trips and honestly, I

539
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: hate them and make no money off of them and

540
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: end up babysitting it's a waste of time. But when

541
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: I did do the occasional host of trip, all my

542
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: clients were we're divorcement because married men were not allowed

543
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: to go with me, and women never wanted to spend

544
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: more than X amount of dollars, and the couple's market,

545
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: as much as everyone would like to think that couple's markets,

546
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 1: like the saving grace, is just not there. What can

547
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: you explain for people what you mean by a hosted trip? Yeah,

548
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: so there's this thing. It's actually really cute. I get

549
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people email me and they'll be like,

550
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: I want to I want to follow in your steps.

551
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: I want to make money off of social media and

552
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: host the trips. And I have to take a step

553
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: back and be like, hey, you realize that that's not

554
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: how I make my living, right, like not even a

555
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: little bit. So the thing is is with the host

556
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: of trips, you go on a trip and you make

557
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: if you don't have charge, you make commission on the trip, right,

558
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: But then you still have to pay for your flight.

559
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: Maybe the company pays your flight out. So now you're

560
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: making X amount of dollars per person. So it's someone

561
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: saying we're gonna there's a trip you can come up

562
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: and fish get a free trip and fifteen percent commission

563
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: or twenty percent commission on everyone you bring. So I

564
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: get eight people to come with me. You go out

565
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: to markets to people. Yeah, not only did maybe one

566
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: or two of those a year because I hate and

567
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: it might be like, hey, we're going fishing trout and Argentina.

568
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: It was a lodge. You get people all excited to

569
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: come and fish with you. We're doing the guiding, but

570
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: you're bringing the clients down and we'll give you a cut,

571
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: a sales commission. Exactly right. That's a host of trips.

572
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: How did you know that? Yeah? Yeah, and a lot

573
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: of people think that they make that you can make

574
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: good money that way. I don't know, it's just not

575
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: my thing. Yeah, most guys probably just do it to

576
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: get to exotic location. There's there's there are other ways

577
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: to do it, or you can just actually like make

578
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: your money doing other stuff and pay to go on

579
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: a trip. So I don't know. The host the trip

580
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: thing for me was kind of over, and then after

581
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: I got married, it was definitely over. Nobody wanted to

582
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: go with not nobody. I mean I had people, but

583
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: they were all the divorce men were suddenly out, which

584
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: in my life way easier because I didn't have to

585
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: deal with any of that, you know, questioning what people's

586
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: true incentives were, so all in all, like if you

587
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: look at the whole thing, if you look at all

588
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: to ask most of your career. Okay, so let's just

589
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a staff here, and there's like six

590
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: things you'd like, six money generating things that you do.

591
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's added on since then with the evolution

592
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: of the world we have today. But yeah, sure, say

593
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: there's six pots to put your fingers in. Okay, do

594
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: you feel that your fingers have gotten deeper into those

595
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: pots thanks to being a woman or in spite of

596
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: being a woman. Oh, that's a really good question. It

597
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: depends on the pot um. That's a really good question.

598
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: I reason I asked because I would think this and

599
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: and uh, I would think that that that in the

600
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: outdoor world. There is a certain level of excitement about

601
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: a woman in the outdoor world because it's been it's

602
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: like traditionally this male dominated thing. So there's sort of

603
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: a like there's a bit of excitement and a quite

604
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: a bit of hatred and envy. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

605
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: are you talking about just a regular woman? Are you

606
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: talking about a talented woman? Because it's very different. I'm

607
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: just talking about the fact that you have the participation

608
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: rates like, Okay, let's take hunting for instance. I know

609
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: this numb. I don't know what fishing and hunting was

610
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: a participation rate. Okay, So if you look at the

611
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: I think that if you looked at um, people making

612
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: their living in the hunting industry, I would have to

613
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: guess that people making a living in the hunting industry,

614
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: probably women are probably man. It's really difficult to say. No,

615
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it for you. Well, let me finish.

616
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Let me because I have fully said it. Point on

617
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: prime time tell I remember there's a point on prime

618
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: time television and prime time drama that gays became overrepresented

619
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: in prime time drama or the percentage of gays for

620
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: trade in prime time d it was higher than the

621
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: percentage of gays in the American population. We hit an

622
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: over not that this is I'm not presenting this as

623
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: a negative. Just and someone came up with this idea

624
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: that we hit like an overrepresentation. Okay. Now, if you

625
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: were to look our women, like our women overrepresented the

626
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing thing, or do they come in at

627
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: hunting people in the you know, yeah, look it's yeah,

628
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: it's catering to the minority is what it is, and

629
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: so I feel and I have watched a little bit

630
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: of this hunting thing to go down. I don't have

631
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: numbers for either industry, but yeah, I think there's definitely

632
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: and I think the numbers are growing. I mean, let's

633
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: just talk fishing specifically, because that I can speak on

634
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: for sure. The numbers have absolutely grown, for sure, but

635
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: there's definitely an over um. There's definitely. I think there's

636
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: a little too much catering. I think that is. I

637
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of women hashta and and guys.

638
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: Let's let's just keep a gender gender neutral. People who

639
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: think that because they have a certain amount of people

640
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: following their social media that they can throw out a

641
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: hashtag it's suddenly now they're worthy of a sponsor. Like

642
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: that really bothers me. I've got a real problem with that.

643
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand what that means. Well, yeah,

644
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: because do you even do your own social you do?

645
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: How many like Instagram? Use Instagram? Yeah? I like it too.

646
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: I gave up, like, well, I'm not I'm not gonna

647
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: talk about that. I like Instagram. Okay, that's fair. I know,

648
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: like the crowd. I got it, I got okay. So

649
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: it's really frustrating for me, though, to see somebody who's

650
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: been doing this for three months and there their credibility

651
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: is faced on the amount of followers that they have.

652
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I have a real problem with

653
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: that because maybe I'm old school, but I just remember

654
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: when you actually credibility and something more than that, like

655
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: you had to be good, like when I was. Now,

656
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I've only been in this industry for fifteen years, but

657
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: you still had to be good. You had to be good,

658
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: and I still believe today you have to be good.

659
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: And I get really shitty about it. I mean, the

660
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: hunting thing. I'm gonna be totally honest with you. You know,

661
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: I'm new to hunting. It's been like I got my

662
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: first bow to or three years ago, right, like pretty new.

663
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: I've had people trying to sponsor me in hunting. No way,

664
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I am not incredible. I'm not don't try. Everyone listening

665
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: to this podcast who sponsors Steve, don't sponsor me. I'm

666
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: not there yet. I'm serious and I'll never I'll never

667
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: make a living in there saying they're looking. They're saying, like,

668
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for expertise. I look at her engagement,

669
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: and I just I don't think it's cool. I don't

670
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: think that it's right. I don't think I'm worthy of it.

671
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think that you should play. I don't

672
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: think you should be a fraud. I think you should

673
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: keep it authentic. I don't think that I don't think

674
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: all this. Yeah, I have a couple of thoughts. So

675
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the first one. I'm gonna go

676
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: first one. What you were talking about an overrepresentation of

677
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: gaze or females or whatever it is. I was thinking

678
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: about that. It's almost like a slingshot. What it is

679
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: is a response to suppression. And I can I back

680
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: up and say that like Matt does marketing, Yeah, yeah,

681
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: this is Matt does marketing for a for a large

682
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: successful night company. He can tell you what it's called

683
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: with a lot of credibility and and there authentic brand,

684
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: bench made knife company. So I was thinking about that

685
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: almost like a slingshot, Like the farther you pull it

686
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: back once you release it, the more reaction. It's it's

687
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: almost like you know when of Newton's laws, Like you're

688
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: just gonna end up with a greater response to it,

689
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: because it's been suppressed for so long that it's going

690
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: to take more momentum to overcome. Right. And you're saying

691
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: pulling back mean the holding back of the female voice, right,

692
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: So it becomes more and more unique, the more right,

693
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: and then it becomes more marketable because it's more unique, right. Uh.

694
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: And and that I mean, I guess that's the way

695
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: I would look at that, But it's not fair. I

696
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: just feel like so. So so then the other thought

697
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: I had was that people are good. It depends be honestly,

698
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier. We're talking about camera guys

699
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: versus hunters and how it's better to take a camera

700
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: guy and train him to be a hunter than to

701
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: take a hunter and train him to be a camera guy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

702
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: it's it's easier. Problem. No, no, you just ignore the

703
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: keep going. So the reason I'm saying that is because

704
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: you said that you have a problem with people like

705
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: trying to sponsor you because for hunting. But maybe they're

706
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: seeing in you an opportunity for someone that's a really

707
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: good host and in that and I've had them say that,

708
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: and that's cool, not all hunters, but don't sell it hosts.

709
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Don't you think George Foreman is really really really good

710
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: at making fat free grill? Where do you want to

711
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: draw the line of this conversation? I mean, but look

712
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: at any like spokesman did O J. Simpson was, He like,

713
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing I know about. It's renting cars.

714
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, fair, But you had a really good

715
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: point there. I mean, what do you want me for?

716
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: What do you want me for? Do you want me

717
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: because I'm a good host? Do you want me because

718
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: of my conservation efforts? Or do you want me because

719
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: you think that my social media following is going to

720
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: drive you the traffic? Yes, because they're not. They're paying

721
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: for it, you know. I mean, ultimately, the people that

722
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: are coming to you want you to be able to

723
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: provide for them return on their investment. That's right. And

724
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I did it with fishing, and I will not do it.

725
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: And so it's totally okay to take that stand. Right.

726
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: It's just that not all there are so many killer,

727
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: so many killers. Yeah, I forget who that guy was

728
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: and said those deer hunters are just killers, and there

729
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: are so many guys are just killers. Right, But that

730
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: does not mean that they would make good personalities, good

731
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: television show hosts, any of that, And like I'm going

732
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: off on a tangent here, But the coach of the

733
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: New England Patriots, Bill Belichick, he he has always said

734
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: that it's easier to train football skills than it is

735
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: football intelligence. So he looks for players with football intelligence

736
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: and then he trains them up on the game he

737
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: wants them to play. Yeah, but there's just so many

738
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: talented hunters and legit female and male hunters, and legit

739
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: female and male fly fishers, and I just would like

740
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: to see a little more of that credibility go to them,

741
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: even if it means they have half the amount of following.

742
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: I just would like to see the game played a

743
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: little more fair. That's honestly feel that. I honestly that's magnanimous.

744
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: If you do well, That's that's where I'm at. You'll

745
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: never see me sponsored by a company in in hunting, never,

746
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: I give my word. You might. Someone might send me

747
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: something free and I'll wear it, but you're not going

748
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: to be seeing me tag it all over the place,

749
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: and you're not going to be seeing some sort of

750
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: signed The old relationships gonna flat ass turn it down. Yeah,

751
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: because I've done it. If they come to you and

752
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: say this, oh hit me with it, let's hear it.

753
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: Better be good. Better be good? Uh, April, I know

754
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: you're not a I'm coming at you on the voice right, Okay,

755
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm the guy. There's only one angle you could go

756
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: on this to get me. Let's hear it. I know

757
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: that you're entering this journey. Okay, great start yea um.

758
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a lot of young women

759
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: in this country who would like to take this journey

760
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: with you, and who better to walk along side by

761
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: side in this journey of discovery? Then they better let

762
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: me be so unbelievably audience honest to the audience that

763
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm green as green gets. And I don't know if

764
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: I want to be that vulnerable in the public eye honestly,

765
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, did you like my pitch? I thought it

766
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: was good. The only other pitch that hit me in

767
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: the heart once that was pretty good was somebody said

768
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: to me, we're not seeing a lot of women in

769
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: the sport with the conservation um to turn like mindset

770
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: that you have. It's refreshing to see it. We like

771
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: to see that it is starting to happen with even hunting.

772
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: We'd like to support you. And I said, that's cool,

773
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: you can send me stuff. I cannot have some sort

774
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: of announced relationship with you. And they said, that's totally understandable, Matt, Matt,

775
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: give her a pitch, work up a pitch, you guys,

776
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: I want my integrity just it's just there's no amount

777
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: of money on it. I pitch. Look at him like

778
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: the sweetie is so Hebbly doesn't pitch, so he gets pitched. No,

779
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: that's true. I do end up getting pitched more than

780
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: I pitch. So no, yeah, we come up with I'll

781
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: come up with ideas generally on the on the fly.

782
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: So I don't necessarily know that I would have a

783
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: pitch for April Day, but but I do, But I

784
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: really do. I do think actually what you said would

785
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: have some merit, you know, in in that they're like that, well,

786
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: there is some There's something to be said about female

787
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: hunter retention, not necessarily just recruitment, but retention. I was

788
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: at I was at every year at Shot they do this.

789
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: The company that does Shot show is the Shooting Sports Foundation,

790
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: and they have this research breakfast and I heard at

791
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: that research breakfast that although like it's the big thing

792
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: to say is that that females are the are the

793
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: fastest growing new new like demographic entering the hunting market.

794
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: But what they don't tell you is that they're also

795
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: the fastest leaving. So they're not being because rights because

796
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: all they're measuring is licensed buying. So what they're not

797
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: telling you is that that they enter and they get

798
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: no support, no help. The only person they have to

799
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: go with is maybe their boyfriend or someone else that

800
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of got him into it, and then they just

801
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: give up on it. And having someone like yourself being

802
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: able to help to drive that man should provide a

803
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: community for people to follow it didn't come along and

804
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: offer support, could really could really give some someone a

805
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: base to have confidence in theirselves as a female hunt

806
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: Since I got married because I made I co worced

807
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: a boatload of girlfriends and buying hunting tags. They never

808
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: went back, didn't you didn't? Didn't you? Was it you?

809
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that you is that maybe that

810
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: was brody? Somebody had never hunted at all, didn't somebody killing?

811
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: She were just talking she'd never hunted before. And then

812
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: in the spring, uh got a black beart turned around

813
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: and got a mountain go a big horn. Yeah, she

814
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: is telling Yeah, of course it was no. No, Uh,

815
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: then didn't hunt anymore. Oh no, you're serious. Oh you

816
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: didn't just put it on her tag gonna. I said,

817
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, get you hunter safety. We're gonna

818
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: put you in for all these permits and tags and whatnot.

819
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna tear it up. Yeah. But were you putting

820
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: her kill on your she actually went hunting. No, I'm

821
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: saying no. She spring season she killed a bear, yeah,

822
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: and then she left. No, in fall station she killed

823
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: the mountain go with a big horn. Yeah. But then

824
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: after all, after that year, she was stop going out

825
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: and it was just like she was like that was

826
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: fun and just didn't feel like. I just didn't keep hunting.

827
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: I didn't stick. She was in the same way, the

828
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: same way that if she let's say I went to

829
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: do something with her, like, let's say we went down

830
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: like I used to have a girlfriend. We go down

831
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: to this thing, um, we go down to these lectures

832
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: by Jewish scholars about um really old Jewish law. Okay, Uh,

833
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: she'd like to do that. I went along with her.

834
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: We broke up. I didn't keep going to that ship.

835
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: It just went because it was like something she wanted

836
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: to go do my wife now, and then on our

837
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: date night, I go with my wife to do yoga

838
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: in a super hot room. Good for you. I've done

839
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: that six times now. If God forbid somewhere to have

840
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: my wife, I would knock go down and do yoga

841
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: in a super hot room. But I do it because

842
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: she likes to go do that with me. Yeah. So

843
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of not a lot, but I

844
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: had girlfriends over the years. A number added up over time.

845
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Who I would be like, dude, we're going, did you

846
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: fill this ship out? Get this thing, let's go. If

847
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't for lazy, I would never watch another episode

848
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: of The Bachelor forever again. And then when it's something

849
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: of having forbid, he's done. No more Bachelor, no more Bachelor.

850
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't even know you guys are talking about right

851
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: now television program. Well Bachelor's um what okay, here's another

852
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: thing because I want to lay off you on this

853
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: ship for a little while. No, it's fine, it's really

854
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: totally in BC. You have to use a barblous hook

855
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: no matter what you're fishing for. Yeah, I think in

856
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: Lake fishing you made No, I'm gonna say single barbelous. Yeah,

857
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: you have to use the barblous hook fishing for bass.

858
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't actually done anything. This is

859
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: what I'm really getting at, is this, Why don't bass

860
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: guys Matt use Barblous? Yeah, Matt, I'll tell you why.

861
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: If you guys don't really really care about bass. Oh

862
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: you went down the road, I'm gonna sit back and

863
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: eat my popca. You know what I mean. I feel

864
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: like you guys like um, like, why not barblous? I

865
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: think that every fisherman's motivation is ultimately somewhat selfish. Sure,

866
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't you just leave him alone? Right,

867
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: you wouldn't fish because it's not good. I don't I

868
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care if you're fishing Barblous or whatever. Right,

869
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: you are putting a hookie in vicious face. And if

870
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: you didn't care, if you if you literally cared completely

871
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: about their survival, then you just wouldn't do it. Although,

872
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: but you will have a higher survival rate if you

873
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: can get the hook up actor, and I will take

874
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: I'll take that back only in the fact of what

875
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: we were mentioned earlier with without retention, the actual population

876
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: actually can end up in a worse position. Right, But

877
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: don't you think you could pop out the hook faster

878
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: if it was Barbara? Yes? Yes, I agree. I also

879
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: think that bass are much hardier fish species and traded.

880
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: Hey have you ever tried this before? Have you ever

881
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: tried I don't know if this is not since or not,

882
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: but I have tried it once and it did seem

883
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: to work on a on a big bass end. Where

884
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: was I was Michigan? Who's the Michigan person here? Yeah? Yeah,

885
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: so um you ever heard that if it's gushing blood

886
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: and you yeah, I didn't. It worked it. You can

887
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: see it start to clock coagulata, does it? So? Bass

888
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: fisherman will keep like a canus brighter can of coke

889
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: in their boat and you just pour coke down their

890
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: throat and it totally. Seriously, I'm no fish. I don't

891
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: know fish, doctor, but I kind of feeling of what

892
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: you're seeing is I think that maybe you're remedying a

893
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: you're remedying a visual symptom. Maybe, so I will say,

894
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: next the chew tin and there and there some seeds

895
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: they keep it pop back to your question about me

896
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: caring for not caring for bass. Just two examples of this.

897
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: I once had when I was guiding back when I

898
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: was guiding, not for bass, for salmon and trout. I

899
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: had that client. We caught a six pound leopard bow

900
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: and he really wanted to hold it, and as I

901
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: told him, no, I said, if you want to hold it,

902
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: you can hold it overside the boat in the net.

903
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: You can explain the fish, because don't like a leopard

904
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: bow is a native rainbow trout in Alaska there they

905
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: have these huge black spots. They're incredible there. I've never

906
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: even heard of it. They're they're amazing fish. Yeah, they're

907
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: they're incredible. And he caught leopard leopard rainbow trout. It's

908
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: just like a super spotted rainbow. Because the life aquatic.

909
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: What's the shark there after? I don't, well, the jaguar shark.

910
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: That's so the huge vacist fish. But trout are notoriously

911
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: although their varacious predators are notoriously fragile, the delicate fish, right,

912
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: And so I told no, you cannot take and he

913
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: just continued to plead, and final I said, okay, I'm

914
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: gonna hand you this fish. And yes, I said gonna

915
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: hand you this fish. I had the boat pushed into

916
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: the bank. I said, hey, it is fish. I watch

917
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: you alo onto it. I'll take a picture of you.

918
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: And I gave him the fish. And what do you

919
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: think happened? He looks like a bar soap. It went

920
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: out of his hands and landed straight on its head

921
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: in the boat. Done. I sat in the water. I

922
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: sat in the water for thirty minutes, you know, the

923
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: frigid water up to my arms. Fish and it would

924
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: do the thing where it would kind of kick and

925
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: then you let it go in and fall on inside,

926
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: and I do it again. And I will do the

927
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: same thing with the bass. So it's not about me

928
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: not caring or not caring for baths. And I do

929
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: really care about fish in general. That being said, I

930
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: care about fish because I love fishing. And if my

931
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: love for fishing makes me care about fish, does it

932
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: really matter if I care about the fish because I

933
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: care about the fish or because I love fishing, and

934
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: that's what I like. Whatever it takes for me to

935
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: care about the resource. And I feel the same way

936
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: about hunting and conservation, and that if nobody cared about it,

937
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: if nobody hunted, if nobody. If hunters really care about

938
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: those animals, and if those animals didn't have people that

939
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: wanted to engage with them, that appreciated them for what

940
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: they were, and that were involved in that, then they

941
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the condition that they were in today,

942
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: and there wouldn't be financing, financing behind it or any

943
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: of that. So I just I don't know if it

944
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: if it matters, You're right the reason I do. Ultimately,

945
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: the reason I do care about fish is because I

946
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: love fishing. It's not because I just love fish. What

947
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: you just said it was totally on point about like

948
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: people need to know about something for them to actually

949
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: care enough about it to protect it. The reason that

950
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: that we don't use barbarous hook so is because they're

951
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: much easier to get into the boat because you catch more.

952
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: And I think that comes from the tournament culture, because

953
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's guys fishing tournaments, mostly guys with gals

954
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: to fishing tournaments, and sometimes in these tournaments, especially at

955
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: the high levels, of people aspire to those fish. The

956
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: difference of ounces can mean the difference between a twenty

957
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: dollar check and a hundred and twenty five dollar check. Yeah, Okay,

958
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: that's but that brings it to a whole different reason

959
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: of fishing. But that culture, I think it sort of

960
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: drives that. And bass also are not as fragile, like

961
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna be able to release the bass and

962
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: there there's a good chance for the boy. If you

963
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: did that to a trout, there's no way. There's Another

964
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: big factor to consider is that bass aren't are would

965
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: be on the i u c N List, they'd be

966
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: species of least concern. I mean there is no, uh,

967
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: there is no conservation concern whatsoever on large mouth and

968
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: small mouth bass. Typically you see maybe region maybe in

969
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: some regions, some watersheds, but I mean in a in

970
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: a national sense. They both those species are found way, way,

971
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: way outside of their native ranges. Yes, they're very hardy, right,

972
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: it's like a coyote that is everywhere. Yeah, so you're

973
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: removing the idea that you're gonna like go and in

974
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: a mess up something some systems, ecosystem. If anything, it's

975
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: the opposite. Yeah. Yeah, you find the places like the

976
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: Columbia River they've decided where they become exotic, deleterial. And

977
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: they even said at the hearing about that we don't

978
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: know if this is gonna work. We don't even know

979
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: if there's going to have an impact on salmon species

980
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: at all. But whatever, we're just gonna do it because

981
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: they're not native. Yeah, I don't even want to go

982
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: down that road. You don't want to get me started

983
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: on that. Um, you don't where you from. There's no

984
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: like April, you don't. You don't kill steelhead. No, well,

985
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: we kill hatchery steelhead if we're unfortunate enough to have

986
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: a hatchery system in place. But now where I live.

987
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: So I live in northern BC on the Bulkley River,

988
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: and it's illegal to pertain wild steelhead, thank god, just

989
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: flat out yeah. I mean I'd like to be able

990
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: to retain wild steel I wish there were to harass

991
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: and hook them in a lot of places, is not. Yeah,

992
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: a lot of Thompson was my goat to spot. I mean,

993
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I cut my teeth in a lot of ways in

994
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: the Thompson. But it's shut down and it got low enough,

995
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: or they can't even risk you killing one on accident,

996
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: not even accident, no no, So yeah, I mean, and

997
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: we all want to be able to retain steel head.

998
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: We're not like a bunch of hippies here, like we

999
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: want to retain steel head to eat them, but there's

1000
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: just not enough of them out there, right, Like it's

1001
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: a really fine line. It's a really sensitive subject. And

1002
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: a lot of fisheries that are open to fish, I

1003
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: won't fish because I don't feel like it's it's moral.

1004
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's right. Like you feel like

1005
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: they should get a reprieve. Yeah, I feel like the

1006
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: fisher should be shut down for sure. But BC is

1007
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: pretty not BC is not bad. BC is pretty good

1008
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: with their regulations, regulations. I feel, so explain to your

1009
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: guiding business that you're still involved in but don't guide. Yeah,

1010
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean I guess, I guess technically i'd be a

1011
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: booking agent nowadays. Technically, yeah, I don't have staff. I

1012
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: don't have guides on salary or anything. I mean I

1013
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: did for the first year or so, I tried to

1014
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: have guides just you know, they'd be I'd pay them

1015
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: their day rate, I'd take my cut or whatever. But

1016
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: it just makes it's just way I guess I don't understand. Yeah,

1017
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: So here's so here's like, so say my day right,

1018
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: say my day right? For a walking wade was six

1019
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Right, So then what my other options were

1020
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: that might be what a steelhead guard makes. Say, yeah,

1021
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: say for walking, what's the bass guid make, But we're

1022
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: talking about boats. I'm talking walking person for the boat

1023
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: that boat only carries too oh yeah, no, so so

1024
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: it gets to being more expensive than that and BC

1025
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: with boats. But then say to say I make my

1026
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: six bucks, right, so you're saying like wade fishing, wade fishing,

1027
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: God might make six hundred bucks in a day. But

1028
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: now what will happen is say I've got a guy

1029
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: that I've got to pay my guy bucks an hour

1030
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: for eight hours. So it's costing me two bucks, but

1031
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still charting bringing out six hundred bucks.

1032
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: So now I'm pocketing my four d bucks. Right. So

1033
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: now if you have three guides out working in a day,

1034
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: now you're taking your fo for guys. Now you got

1035
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: twelve bucks a day. So that works, But then you've

1036
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: got to be licensed, you gotta be sure, you've got

1037
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: to still be dealing with the emails of my flight

1038
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: and my listen. It just was really time consuming. So

1039
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: now I'm at a stage where I'm still super involved

1040
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: in my in my bookings like you reach out to

1041
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: me and I'm going to get you set up, no

1042
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: question with the fishery that. So you're like a travel

1043
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: agent kind of sort of. Yeah, I guess technically these

1044
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: days I probably am because I no longer do the invoicing.

1045
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: I no longer do to helping with the flights. But

1046
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm there to help you through your entire trip. But

1047
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: I'm I'm now working no hell no, I would never

1048
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: do that to myself ever, that's a total money dump.

1049
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: So but I work with the lodge and make sure

1050
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: that everybody is happy. So really the client has twenty

1051
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: four hour support between me and the lodge, whereas for

1052
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: a long time it was just me and there's just

1053
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure because I travel right for I'm

1054
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: always gone. So now it's me and the lodge and

1055
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: and it's just easier for me to say, listen, guys,

1056
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: I'll just take I'll just take a cut on the client,

1057
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: and then if they just keep coming back, I don't

1058
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: even need to know about I'm always here if they

1059
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: need me. But yeah, I guess technically nowadays I am

1060
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: a booking agent. So some dude goes online, yeah, and

1061
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: he's like, man, The thing I really want to do

1062
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: is go to BC and fish Steelhead. Yeah, And he

1063
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: types in BC Stalhead Fishing and he's dicking around and

1064
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: pretty soon he sees what that would prompt him to

1065
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: call you. Well, a lot of people who are my

1066
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: people who are calling me have heard of me, and

1067
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: they're not finding me on Google anymore, and they think

1068
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: you not No. No, I think it's pretty clear nowadays,

1069
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: and I'm no longer God what do they call you for? April.

1070
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: We understand that you are from BC, and we know

1071
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: that you're honest and you'll tell us where we should go,

1072
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: and I stay true to that. So they're using you

1073
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: to keep from getting screwed. And then they don't care

1074
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: if I take because it doesn't the commission I get

1075
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: doesn't come out of their pocket. It doesn't there's no

1076
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: price difference for them. But they know I'm going to

1077
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: do my best to make sure that they're totally set up.

1078
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: And the lodge I I honestly were mostly work with

1079
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: one lodge on the Skina now because they take such

1080
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: good care. I mean, I've never had an unhappy client

1081
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: leave this lodge and they have no problem paying me

1082
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: my percent off the top because they're just happy to

1083
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: have this awesome clientele. So it really is a win

1084
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: win for every back, understand. Yeah, And it's just starting

1085
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: off like ground zero. And and you've developed reputation of

1086
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: putting them into a quality trip and if you put

1087
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: your your if you approve with your stamp of approval

1088
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: on a thing, Yeah, that's and and the other thing

1089
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: you need to remember is I'm there right Like I'm

1090
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: in northern BC. So I'm gonna come by and be like, hey,

1091
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, hey Bob, how's it going? Has everything doing?

1092
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: And my best friend guides out of this lodge and

1093
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: the guy who owns it as one of my good buddies,

1094
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: Like they really are walking into a family environment like something.

1095
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: You need to realize that I I guided five years

1096
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: on the Dean River and which is a really famous

1097
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: driver in BC, and I basically subcontracted out the lodge.

1098
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: It was it was a family environment, like you came

1099
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: when you came, you were guided by me, but you

1100
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: were coming because obviously the fishery is incredible. But it

1101
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 1: was myself, my brother in law, my sister and a cook.

1102
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: Like it was a really small intimate operation. And I

1103
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: still take pride in that. Like if you come to

1104
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: fish with U SNBC at the lodge I work with,

1105
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: which is called Ski this Spay, it's still the same thing.

1106
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm there, Brian who owns the places. They're my best

1107
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: friends there. It's still this real intimate venue and nobody

1108
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: there's no bullshit like I'll never ever ever try to

1109
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: take your money just to get you into lodge. Ever,

1110
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: if it's not your best interest, I will. I'll take

1111
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: you straight up, don't come. Is this lodge on the

1112
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: road system or it's on the river. It's on the

1113
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: road system on on the river. Yeah. Yeah. And then

1114
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: now that you are in Australia, you're still doing that. Yeah.

1115
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: Well I'm only in Australia in the winter. It was

1116
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: your old man come here with you when you're here.

1117
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: He comes here for a four to six weeks when

1118
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm here for money and works there. Yeah. Yeah. I

1119
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen with the baby. Things are

1120
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: going to change. But I bought the property. But before

1121
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: I met Charles, I was really I was established and

1122
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: had my own had my property and my dream. So

1123
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: I bought twenty acres on the Bulkley and it was

1124
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: just bare land, and my dream was to build it

1125
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: up from scratch and just have it be like my

1126
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to live off land and

1127
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: and just I've got this beauty, a full riverfront property

1128
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: and full fish and there's a bunch of grouse on

1129
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: the property. And I mean it's not a huge property,

1130
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: but my neighbors all in like six hundred acres. I

1131
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: mean there's just lots of landing. You don't mean that

1132
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna build a lodge, No, No, I was gonna

1133
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: build my little cabin out of my poplars on the

1134
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: on the property. I quickly learned that that was a

1135
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: good work. So first year before I met Charles, I

1136
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: lived up there in a trailer, and then I met

1137
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: him and I built a wall tent with we we

1138
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: put up a wall tent, and then the next year

1139
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: we're able to stay in the wall tent and was

1140
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: able to insulate at the wall tent. And then it

1141
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: came down in a nice storm, which is to be expected.

1142
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: That's fine. And then this last year I spent a

1143
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: bunch of time with with buddies, building up all four

1144
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: walls and a roof and making it into like a

1145
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: little shack and right now where I was yesterday, where

1146
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: I am at this time of my year, is up

1147
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: there right now doing all the rest of all my

1148
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: maintenance and just getting ready for the season. Yeah, and

1149
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: he'll come in. He comes in September, so he'll be

1150
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: in a little later. He comes in for the he

1151
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: comes in for the fishing, and I go in for

1152
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: the maintenance. Yeah. But that's cool because he doesn't mean

1153
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: it is, you know, the stuff in Australia. So he's

1154
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: got his life. I've got my fishing business. No, no, no, no, no, no.

1155
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: We went on a fishing trip, but he's not in

1156
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: the business now. Yeah, been there, done that, Steve. Come on,

1157
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: I want to know how you insulated the wall to Yeah,

1158
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: great questions. So with the floor and then I had panels.

1159
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: So what I did was I put in like a

1160
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: like a structure rights on beams and then I had

1161
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: to put that common bats. Do you guys call them bats?

1162
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: Like the foam foam inslation role you put in between

1163
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: huge huge slots that you just cut up. Um yeah, no, no,

1164
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: that those are the bats in the wall. Sorry. The

1165
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: card the foam, the sheets, the sheets, Yes, you put

1166
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: those on the floor, and then we put lamb in

1167
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: on top, and then we put bats ones that you

1168
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: don't want to touch with your hands because they, yeah,

1169
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: in the walls. So I had like a four foot

1170
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: structure all the way around of these um like a

1171
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: like would what's that thin wood? No, no, this stuff, yeah,

1172
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: like a veneer all the way around it, and then

1173
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: was able to inslave. But we couldn't inslate up top

1174
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: obviously because the wall tan was fifty So we did

1175
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: lose heat that way of putting a wood stove, and

1176
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: that was able to maintain some temperature. But now and

1177
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: then you know, when it came down, we obviously rebuilt

1178
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: and put in baths all the way along and put

1179
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: inslation into the roof and so now we've got it's

1180
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: actually warm. But it worked, It did work. We definitely

1181
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: were able to keep some heating, but we did these

1182
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: lose heat through the top of the wall tan. Yeah,

1183
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: it was a badass pent I wish Yeah the river again,

1184
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: the Bulkley, there's no fish in it. There's no fish, Yeah,

1185
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: there's fish. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want people flocking up there.

1186
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: It's busy. It's busy these days, So I literally I fished.

1187
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: I wake up. I fished because my spots right between

1188
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: there's like a launch up here and then there's a

1189
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: takeout point there. So the only way to get to

1190
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: my place, because if if you're coming in a jet boat,

1191
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: I can hear you, so I'm going to beat you

1192
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: to the river. And then if you're coming down in

1193
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: a in a raft, it takes you quite some time

1194
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: to get to our Oh yeah. So I usually go

1195
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: out of fish first sick in the morning, in the

1196
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: morning for the first after totally, and then when I

1197
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: do see the first drafter, I usually just very quietly

1198
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: disappear so that I'm not ruining their day and they

1199
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: still feel like they have fresh water. And then that's

1200
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: when I actually go back to my life. So I'm

1201
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: constantly fallen trees, bucking trees, splint trees, and then that's

1202
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: what Remember I spoke to you last time when I

1203
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: was here, and I was talking about all this grouse

1204
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: hunting I'm doing. So I spent most of my day

1205
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: just grouse hunting, and then come back to all my chores,

1206
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: pump water, do all that stuff, and then fish in

1207
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: the evening and then cook and do it all again

1208
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: the next day and you're talking just fishing for steelhead. Yeah. Yeah,

1209
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: Well I was there just like this last couple of weeks.

1210
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: I was there fishing for chinook, like I say, with spoons,

1211
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: and then when I go back up, um, I'll be

1212
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: fishing for coho. Now, Matt, have you guided? Did you

1213
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: ever guide bass? No? I never get it bass, just salmon.

1214
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: If I remember right, you got interest in ternament bass fishing. Um,

1215
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: because we're working in a sport good store. I got

1216
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: interested in tournament bass fishing and then ended up working

1217
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: in a sporting good store because of that. So I

1218
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: fell in love with fishing at a very young age,

1219
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: like three, kind of the same and started with warm

1220
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: water fish, catching bluegillo, one corn under my friend's dog,

1221
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: and then vividly Roman. I think any hardcore fish junkie

1222
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: remembers the first fish that started their obsession. I caught

1223
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: a fish in the rainbow trout and metolius on this

1224
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: overhanging undercut bank ledge. I was standing on incredible fish.

1225
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: I still have a picture of it to this day.

1226
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 1: This was a long time ago. We kept that fish,

1227
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: but uh no, then through that through the years, I

1228
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: ended up getting into bass fishing lot just because I

1229
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: like the approach. I like sort of patterning bass because

1230
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: their resident fish. It's sort of the same way you

1231
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: pattern trout as opposed to fish that my great salmon

1232
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: steelhead it's like to have over. Yeah, And I just

1233
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: think that it's interesting a fish that lives in that

1234
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: body of water, the way that things change for them

1235
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: even throughout the day. And bass can be unpredictable, they

1236
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: can also be predictable. But anyhow, so I I got

1237
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: really into bass fishing. And then one day I was

1238
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: down on the river fishing and my buddy brought this

1239
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: other guy who turns out fish terms. He's older than us.

1240
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: But I didn't even really I had never even thought

1241
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: about tournament fishing. But he started talking to me a

1242
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: little bit about it, and it got me interested in it,

1243
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: and so I started talking no because I thought it

1244
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: was cool. Like we had a little We decided to

1245
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: put a little side bet down that day, and I

1246
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: beat that guy. Now that I was better than him.

1247
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: I just caught more fish than him that day, and

1248
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: I just thought it was cool that you could be

1249
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: competitive at fishing. I never thought about fishing against somebody,

1250
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: and I thought about fishing against yourself and not against

1251
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: somebody else. And so then I started going into the

1252
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: sporting goods stores and talking to the guys that worked

1253
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: there about bass fishing. And I met the guy ended

1254
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: up becoming my mentor, a guy named Gary Yxley and

1255
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: and and he ended up he was a fishing store manager.

1256
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: And then when he moved from a store Fisherman's Marine,

1257
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: which is in the city I live, into Sportsman's Warehouse.

1258
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: I then he he asked me to come work for him.

1259
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: I was guiding in Alaska in the summers and in

1260
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: college at that point in time, and he said, you know,

1261
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: He's like, well, come work for me. You can have

1262
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: the summers off to guy, And that's okay. I'll come

1263
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: work at the sporting good store. And that's actually I

1264
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: met my wife Lacey. Yeah. I was gonna tell April

1265
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about you meet her to get her

1266
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: opinion on it. The overview provided at Sports's Warehouse, oh

1267
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: the oh that creeper status going. I'll look up there

1268
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: and nexture there's no employees he caught wind of. He

1269
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: caught windows a new woman working at the place. But

1270
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: I saw, I gotta if you're gonna going to dress

1271
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get dragged into this. I gotta tell the story.

1272
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: It will be a very honest representation. I promise my

1273
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: own version, kind mostly in my head. Okay, I was

1274
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: living I was living with with my friend Dylan at

1275
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: the time, and he'd come into he'd come into Sportsman's

1276
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: he used to go at all the time, like everybody

1277
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: would get their fishing gear. And I was working in

1278
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: the fishing department, and and he comes home one night

1279
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, who is that? Who's the girl? Who

1280
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: is that redheaded girl that works at the front of

1281
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: the store, And like, what, I just come back from

1282
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: fishing in Alaska. She had just gotten a job there

1283
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: while I was gone, And I wasn't that familiar. But honestly,

1284
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: I hadn't. I don't know. I was paying a whole

1285
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: lot of attention. He was like, who is that right

1286
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: at of girl? Yeah, late, like an only girl. I

1287
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: can think it was Lacey, And I just hadn't really

1288
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: hadn't clicked before. I'm like, okay, maybe I should like

1289
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: check check out Lacey and so in sports and warehouse. Yeah, yeah,

1290
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: I've seen her before. I just hadn't. I don't know that.

1291
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: I was like really out crawl and looking for out

1292
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: of a season in Alaska, and you really that's like

1293
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: getting out of jail. Every time I got out of

1294
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: a guiding season. When I was single, I was like

1295
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: out of jail. Okay, I was enjoying my life as

1296
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: a as a bachelor man. No, but I was in college.

1297
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: I was like, so sports is where I was of

1298
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: you ever been in one? They're all the same, and

1299
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: they have this cat walk around the upstairs and that's

1300
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: where they keep all the storage. And so I like,

1301
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: I went up to the cat walk and I went

1302
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: up to like you can see over a customer service

1303
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: in the front desk, and I was like looking down there,

1304
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: laces down there. I just they're staring and I was like,

1305
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: I was like, lazy is like I need to go

1306
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: talk to lazy. And just sort of like triggered something.

1307
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: So it just says to me, why did you have

1308
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: to be where nobody else could see you? What were

1309
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: you doing up there? Ladies go to the front of

1310
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: the store. I just that was good point. I didn't

1311
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: even think about that. Oh yeah, no, I'm just up

1312
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: here because I want to see if there any new

1313
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: kind of candy bars, candy bars are you playing? It's

1314
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: over and that's over in the clothing department, I worked

1315
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: way over and fishing, so I would have been it

1316
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been wre like, what are you doing out here? Okay,

1317
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: so you're blocked by nothing? What if she looked up?

1318
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: What if you looked up? Uh? Yeah, act like but

1319
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: I like to think that. I like to think that

1320
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: Lacey kind of like I thought I was cute too,

1321
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: So maybe she would have been like creepy guy. Did

1322
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: you later say to her, like when you asked her out,

1323
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: did you say, you know I've been up in the catwalk,

1324
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking down years before I let on about that.

1325
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: She actually started coming back and talking. I'm I'm a

1326
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: total when it comes to talking to girls. She she

1327
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: came hard, I'm not good at it. She she came back,

1328
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: you need to talk to you more out very well,

1329
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: so she she she actually came back and started talking

1330
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: to me in fishing. So she's is a lot more.

1331
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: She's a lot braver than I am. Was she Uh So,

1332
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: now that she knows and the snickers is under, is

1333
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: she now that she knows? When she found out about that,

1334
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: she wasn't troubled by that it was too late at

1335
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: that point. No, I don't think she was troubled by that. Yeah,

1336
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: it was probably too late now, and I don't honestly

1337
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: was very innocent. It would have been cute because after

1338
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, he's not crazy. But like, there's always a

1339
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: moment in the first year when we're dating you guys

1340
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: were like, is he crazy? Is it there? Right? And

1341
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: and then you're like, and then you reach that moment

1342
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: where you're like, now I can tell her that I

1343
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: really am crazy, and she won't leave me exactly, and

1344
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: then you both realize how crazy you are. But I

1345
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: think that you really are the main thing you're doing. Like,

1346
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: once you get to a point where you want, once

1347
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: you get to the point where you're you're open to

1348
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: the idea of settling down. I think when you're dating,

1349
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: all you're all you're really trying to do is suss

1350
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: out the craziness. If you got half a brain, that's

1351
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do. It's like dating is saying, like,

1352
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to determine because obviously the fact that I'm

1353
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: here and you're here, I'm obviously I'm attracted to you, right, Like,

1354
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: all that sets the place now I just need to

1355
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: find out whether you're insane or not. I think some

1356
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: people miss that part and they wind up married to

1357
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: insane people. It does happen, It really does happen. Yeah,

1358
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,479
Speaker 1: but I think like a reasonable approach, like a reason

1359
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: way to describe the process is to be like, I'm

1360
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: finding out how livable you are, right, you know, because

1361
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm attracted to you like I am, because I wouldn't

1362
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: have said yes, I wouldn't have asked you out. So

1363
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: the second part is, you know, how likable are you?

1364
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: How I mean, how crazy you are falls under that.

1365
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: How likable you are, how much you can handle that person,

1366
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: how much you want to be away from them, all

1367
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, we are totally assessing

1368
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: other crazy and uh and you had like you so

1369
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: you're saying you had like a love at first sight moment. Yeah, yeah,

1370
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: actually I really did honestly have like in the movies

1371
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: love at first sight moment. But there's still you're still

1372
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: always trying to be on best behavior in the first year,

1373
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: and you're still always wondering. You'll see something and you'd

1374
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: be like, is that, like is that is that a

1375
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: crazy tendency that he has? Or is that just is

1376
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: that a flaw? Can I handled that flaw? Can I

1377
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 1: handle that flaw forever? It's a flaw if he doesn't

1378
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: fix it because he's Charles is forty five years old. Like,

1379
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: let's get real, I'm not fixing the guy. So so

1380
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: he's eleven years older. So for me it was like, Okay,

1381
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: that's who he is. Am I cool with that? Yeah? Yeah,

1382
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. You don't call you don't call

1383
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: him Chuck. No, he's no, he's like, he's Charles, Yeah, Chiles.

1384
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: He's an ausy. So it's no hard no hard hours, Charles.

1385
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: And it wasn't hard for you just to give up

1386
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: on just to move to Australia. No, because when I

1387
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: met him, I always my whole plan has always been

1388
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,479
Speaker 1: I was when to live somewhere warm in the winter,

1389
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, because I I guys, well where against he's

1390
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: rather he's got now he's got that ausy accident. Every

1391
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: time he said what him is it water? I was like, oh,

1392
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: you're mine, all mine? But yeah, know, so what happened

1393
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: was I was always I was always traveling in my

1394
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: off season, and I only fish for winter steel Head.

1395
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean I fished for winter steel. It when I

1396
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: was a crazy obsessed had to be fishing every single

1397
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: day of the week angler and then for so long

1398
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: it became work. So it just I kind of lost

1399
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: the passion for winter steel. And I've never lost fashion

1400
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: for summer steel had but winter steel it was hard.

1401
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: I had a really bad car accident, I've had to

1402
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: rebuilt foot and it just started to get really hard

1403
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: out in the in the cold water, in the cold weather.

1404
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: And so I started doing a lot of I do

1405
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: a lot of permit fishing and a lot of saltwater fishing. Yeah, yeah,

1406
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: tons of flats fishing. And so I've been spending all

1407
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: of my May, June July doing as much of that

1408
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: as possible, well May in June, some April if I

1409
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: could take the time off. And I started to look

1410
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: for places to purchase. So I was either going to

1411
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: buy in the Keys or in Rotan, and I found

1412
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: this piece of property and a guide down there. No, no, no,

1413
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: I've always known I was not going to guide for

1414
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: that long. Actually as a recreational prop I was just

1415
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: gonna live and disappear. That was always the plan. And

1416
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: so when I met Charles, it was like well, Australia

1417
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: just a lot longer plane ride. And then of course

1418
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: there's permit. No, there's tons of permit. Sure it is

1419
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: good for permit. We don't talk about going for permit.

1420
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: People don't know anything about Australian fishing. Yeah, the Indo

1421
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: Pacific permit, it's a little different, but they're actually a

1422
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: better looking fishing. Yeah. You never hear someone say I'm

1423
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: going to Australia for permit. Good, let's keep it that way,

1424
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: Let's keep it, keep it quiet. But you know, there's

1425
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: fantastic permit fishing in Australia. And marlin, I mean, marlin

1426
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: is like my big, huge obsession these days, marlin fishing.

1427
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: You know what, man rode, Okay, check this out. Oh

1428
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait. See what do you? I was just

1429
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: down and I was down in down in Mexico on

1430
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: the Pacific coast near Cellulida, fishing with my family and

1431
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: we're out fishing gear conventional with bait and it was

1432
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: a fly guy okay, okay, but we we use bait

1433
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: though to get the fish up. Pathetic. He's got two

1434
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: eyes on the boat. Okay. They obviously went out with

1435
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: the cast net for like three days and caught enough.

1436
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine how much bait they had on

1437
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: this boat. Guys whose job it is, they're called shovel

1438
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:19,440
Speaker 1: live bait overboard. No, he's chumming while this guy flails

1439
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: the water and they are raining, I mean raining scoops

1440
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: of live bait into the water. Well, this guy just

1441
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: beats the water, beats the water, beats the water. Seagulls

1442
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: coming down to eat this bait. They're thrown out fish.

1443
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: You're all over the place. And eventually, of course, of

1444
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: course he like catches one on a fly. Wait wait wait, wait,

1445
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: but pull but that is like is that a Mexican thing?

1446
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: Because that is not how people fly fish from marlin?

1447
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying how we do it as any better.

1448
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: How do you draw it up? I'm not saying it's

1449
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: any better. No, No, the rooster fish, Oh oh that's why.

1450
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: Look now, I'm not saying what we don't say, but

1451
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: what we do made me worse. And I'm just gonna

1452
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: go ahead and put it out there out because you

1453
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: put a plug in front of it on the on

1454
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: geary and then you reel it up. Eventually plaster fly

1455
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: down in front of it, and I guess it's worse

1456
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: because we spend a ton of gas trolling. It's my

1457
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: number one guilty, conscious conscience thing that I do is

1458
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: trolling from Marlin because I know because you're using gear. Yeah,

1459
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: you're using gear. It's not the gear. I don't mind

1460
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: the gear. I mind. Yeah. And so the whole point

1461
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: that is to create this disturbance and whitewash to make

1462
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: it look like you're a big school of tuna, and

1463
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: then your your lure or you're dragged sardie or whatever

1464
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: it is that we're flaming mackerel, whatever it is that

1465
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 1: you've got in the back is looking like a trailing,

1466
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, behind fish. And then of course it comes up.

1467
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: Everyone freaks out, The bills up and it's all the

1468
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: fish is all for essent, and it's coming in, and

1469
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: you've got a deckie here, and then you got your

1470
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: captain up there, and it's just a total cluster. And

1471
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: so he's reeling in the right as he's about to

1472
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: yank the bait out of the way. You know, you

1473
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: go yep, yep, you communicate, he pulls it out, you

1474
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: cast it in, and then this fish on anyone who

1475
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 1: catches at bullshit started to get to you, not necessarily

1476
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: if you're honest about it. So the reality is anyone

1477
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: who's caught a marlin who stands there in a photo

1478
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: and says, this is my marlin. No, it takes four.

1479
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: It depends. Like when Charles and I go out on

1480
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: our own, is the two of us. So what we've

1481
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: got to got our boat, We troll in our time

1482
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: in our little boat. Okay, he's got the gear rod

1483
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: or me, whoever's on drawer, whoever's on you know, up

1484
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: to cast. So he's on the gear road or on

1485
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 1: the do what do we want to call on this

1486
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: um teaser based he's on our teaser bait. Okay, and

1487
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: I've got the daisy chain out So he's got the

1488
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: teaser here. I've got the daisy chain out here on

1489
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: this side. What's the daisy chain. It's like it's a

1490
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: series of squid. I've got it roped off and tied

1491
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: onto the clearing. So it comes up. Yeah, it's like

1492
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a shorter teaser. Sure if

1493
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: you will write, so neither have hooks. So the fish

1494
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: comes up, he reels in. This is what I love doing.

1495
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: But just when it's just me and Charles. He is

1496
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: trying to reel the teaser bait in. I'm now doing

1497
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: the crazy daisy chain, really really trying to get in.

1498
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: It's only maybe the daisy chain itself is probably only

1499
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: six feet and it's only put back maybe you know,

1500
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: eight ft, not very far. So I gotta get the

1501
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: daisy chain in the boat. He's got to get that in,

1502
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: and you know, the teaser bait in. He's gotta go yep,

1503
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: I gotta go yep. I gotta get my flyer on.

1504
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: I gotta make the cast and land it in front

1505
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: of the fish. It's still a team effort. It is

1506
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: almost always a team effort. But you're so in love

1507
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: with the idea. You're someone love with the idea of

1508
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: being able to say that it was a fly rod

1509
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: not necessarily that you're going like stop, You're preventing the

1510
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: fish from getting hooked in all these ways, so at

1511
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: the last minute you can get hooked on a fly

1512
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: like I called it, on a fly not necessarily. It's

1513
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: a totally different fight because I've caught him on gear.

1514
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: I've caught Marlon on gear. They're great, super fun. How's

1515
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: it's not like you're you're not like doing some standing

1516
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: on a rock doing like the shadow cast. There's no

1517
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: such that's what I'm saying. You're flopping this thing down.

1518
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: How's it because the reel is a little bit different. No,

1519
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: it depends on how you want to pitch it. I mean,

1520
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: if you're going around and you're promoting yourself all over

1521
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: the place saying, look at what I caught on a

1522
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: floor rod, then that's one thing. But the reality is

1523
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: it's just an entirely different fight. Like for me, my

1524
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: real just to have it, I don't know. I mean,

1525
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: I guess that's a really good point, and it's a

1526
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: really good argument. This is bullshit. Well, no, turning on

1527
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: how you want to look at it's it's no, it's

1528
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: not just bullshit. It depends on what's a lion hunter.

1529
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: He's a houndsman when he gets the guy, when he

1530
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: takes a guy out and they tree a line. Yeah,

1531
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: And a bow hunter is like, I'm gonna shoot in

1532
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: my boat. Well he doesn't like, he's like, okay, shoot

1533
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 1: the guy shoots at the boys like I killed a

1534
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: line with my book, you killed a lie with hounds. Yeah,

1535
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: but you're talking about the bodn't have anything to do

1536
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, but that's so for me, it's a

1537
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: challenge thing I cannot so the biggest marlin I could

1538
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: land if I was lucky on a fly rod. If

1539
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: I was lucky, it would be an If I was lucky,

1540
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: you just immediately you just you disadvantage yourself. It's just harder.

1541
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: So it's that the it's you're like, Okay, I'm gonna

1542
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 1: do all this ship like a conventional gear and spinning

1543
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: rods and this and that and live baby. Just you

1544
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: know what, at the last second, I am gonna I'm

1545
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: gonna limp dick myself and throw out a fly pole. Totally.

1546
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: That's exactly like because maybe you'll break off. Well, it's

1547
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: more than that. I don't know. It just depends on

1548
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: what your challenge is, like, what do you set out

1549
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: to do, and what's your motient. I don't know what

1550
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: everyone's motivate is. Mine is not to post to social

1551
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: media photo. It's just I have this thing in my

1552
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: head that it would be really cool to catch one

1553
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 1: on the fly. I just wanted. I just wanted for myself.

1554
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: I just want to catch it on the fly by

1555
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: by any means, by any means, as long as it

1556
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 1: ends up with a fly. If you wanted to know,

1557
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 1: if you wanted to have a better argument, if you

1558
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: wanted a better argument, because there's a better argument. Yeah,

1559
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: there's a better argument than what you're giving me. You

1560
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: do because that's you just limp picked yourself because you've

1561
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: got nothing. Here's the thing. A better argument would be that,

1562
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk if a bullshit. So a better

1563
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: argument would be, what do you think about this? If

1564
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: you troll your fly behind the boat and the boat

1565
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: is running, so you're trolling and you hook a marlin

1566
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: on right, it doesn't count. But let me finish it.

1567
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: But if you I want to do it proper. Now

1568
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: you can see me and no one else can see

1569
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: my hands. But the quotations. If you want to properly,

1570
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: you have to shut the boat. You have to take

1571
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: the boat out of gear and then make the cast

1572
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: so that technically you're not trolling, and only then is

1573
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: accounted as a fly cop fish. That's a better argument.

1574
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: That is a better argument. What happens if you make

1575
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: how did you make a bad cast? Will it not

1576
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: take the fly? No? I still take the fly just

1577
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: because that because that would have solved it all together.

1578
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: You had to like put it right on the spot. Yeah.

1579
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: I g a International game Fish Association, nationally international. So

1580
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: they're like, they're saying that, uh, if you're trolling like

1581
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: it's not, that's not that does not on his fly.

1582
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: Both got to be out of gear. Now when we

1583
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: go out, we do take the boat out of gear

1584
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: because honestly, inertia well, yeah, of course it does. Check

1585
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: this out. Duck hunting, you got all momentum from that

1586
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: engine needs to cease before you can shoot. You should.

1587
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: I agree. That's why I'm giving the argument you're breaking

1588
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: the law. I'm giving you the better argument because I agree.

1589
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: I agree. Now, there is this thing, Steve, that you

1590
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: can do. It's called free casting. So sometimes you see

1591
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: Marlin just bake like sun baking there, just hanging out.

1592
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: Bring up. That's so cool. That's like my dream. I

1593
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: would totally be no guy that used to harpoon him

1594
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: like that. When he was a kid, Let's check this out.

1595
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: They were so they were a commercial fishing family. He's old.

1596
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: But when he was a kid, his mother was a pilot.

1597
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: His mother would go scout for swordfish, basking swordfish. Yeah,

1598
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: put the coordinates in a canister or you know, a

1599
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: bearing in a distance and coordinates and the canister and

1600
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: drop it out of her plane. Her father would get

1601
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: it and they would move up, and they had a

1602
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: harpooner on the bottle of the boat and they would

1603
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,839
Speaker 1: move up in harpoon basking sword fish. Oh my goodness,

1604
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable for commercial like commercial sale. So I would

1605
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: say if some dude went out and found himself a

1606
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: genuine bit ball in his boat, kayak, whatever the hell

1607
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: he's in, found himself a genuine bitball, stalked in there,

1608
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: stripped the flying through there and tied into a Marlin,

1609
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: I would be like, that's something bitch called marline fly.

1610
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. There is no other way to

1611
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: discuss this. Yeah, no, it's tough one. I've only been

1612
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: doing it. I mean, you and I can have an

1613
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: argument with you about steelhead forever, and I know I'll

1614
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: win when it comes to steel because I've been doing it.

1615
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't know but with Marlon though, I've only been

1616
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 1: doing it for four years, so I'm constant, and I

1617
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: could never land any one on the fly. I really

1618
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: don't know shit about it, but I know that it

1619
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: fascinates me. I just get busted off. Everything, everything that

1620
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: can go wrong goes wrong. So I'm actually I'm gonna

1621
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: go next week because I'm just determined before this baby

1622
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: comes to get a marlin to the boat or to hand,

1623
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: I just so badly want to get when it's just

1624
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: like it's a competition. I said it for myself. I'm

1625
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 1: not competitive with anyone else, and it's certainly not for

1626
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: any bragging rights like you can't lift the fish out

1627
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: to get photos or anything. Just for myself, I just

1628
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: want to know that. I just want to know I've

1629
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: done it. It kind of like here's the thing, and

1630
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: and and I used to think this is gonna sound

1631
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: horrible because and I used to look at I used

1632
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: to look at bass fishing a little bit like this too.

1633
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: That it is people taking elements of golf, which I detest,

1634
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: and introducing golf elements into fishing. Do explain what's your

1635
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: reasoning behind them? Just like um taking all the reality

1636
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,839
Speaker 1: and the blood. Once you remove the reality and the blood,

1637
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: I just feel it winds up. But it is reality

1638
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: and blood, Like how can you remove reality and blood?

1639
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: That's like saying, how do you remove reality and blood?

1640
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: From hunting, like become a photographer. Well you can't, right,

1641
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: protects some of the sanctity of hunting. Right, there's people

1642
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: to get around because people that shoot stuff and then

1643
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: don't take care of it, or shoot stuff and whatever.

1644
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like ways of um of breaking the chain,

1645
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: right that leads from the action, which is like it's food.

1646
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: These are old food acquisition technologies, okay, like ways of

1647
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: acquiring food. Now we've stripped out all kinds of ship

1648
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: and some might argue we've stripped out the necessity. Right

1649
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: if I don't hunt fish like I like to eat

1650
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of wild game. If I didn't hunt fish,

1651
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure ship not gonna starve. I'd eat great. Okay,

1652
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: So the necessity is gone. And some people would look

1653
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: and say, dude, the necessity is gone. You've stripped the

1654
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: reality away. It's nothing now, it's just a shadow. It's

1655
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: just a game you play now, because the reality is gone.

1656
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: And I would look in and I could explain that

1657
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: I do feel that the reality is still there, okay,

1658
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: because this is a choice that I'm like, this is

1659
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: a choice I make about how I live and how

1660
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: I eat. But I'm open to the idea. So I

1661
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: might present that and I think that once you get

1662
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: but but there's other steps, like we all sort of

1663
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: find our own way, we all sort of recognize our

1664
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: own methods in life as being like kind of perfect right,

1665
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: and everyone else is a deviation from that. But I

1666
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: would look and say, like some things, when you strip

1667
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: more of it away, it's just you're playing golf with

1668
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: living golf balls. Yeah, i'll give you that with Marlon fishing.

1669
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: I won't give you with all fly fishing, or I'll

1670
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 1: give you that with Marlin because I know that for

1671
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: me when I was first getting into it and learning

1672
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: about it, there's a whole lot of weight what like

1673
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: why how does that make sense? Or how does that

1674
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: make sense? I don't get it. You know, there are

1675
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things that didn't that still don't make

1676
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: sense to me. Same with the i if aithing. You

1677
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: know they want a fish and twenty pound later and

1678
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: my big thing, yeah, thirty pound, And my big thing

1679
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: is aren't you playing with fish longer? And that's a

1680
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: whole different argument, And that's a whole different guest because

1681
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm not an id F a player. But yeah, I'll

1682
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: give you that with Marlin fishing. It is a game. Yeah,

1683
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of things. Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

1684
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't feel guilty about it because

1685
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: the marlin haven't been in my four years anyway. There's

1686
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: been no hurt. Marlin will tell you that. But there's

1687
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: been a whole lot of hurt to me, but not

1688
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: to the marlin. I haven't heard of Marlin yet, kicking

1689
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: my ass? Are you kidding me? Owned? I'm getting owned.

1690
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: Do you fish with twenty or thirty pound? I have

1691
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: fished with thirty and forty? Yeah, yeah, I've never actually

1692
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: hooked up on thirty. I hooked up on forty, saying

1693
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: to win, you gotta be down to in the if

1694
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: you I don't do it. I don't know, yes, but

1695
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: I have no interest in it. I think that's strange

1696
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: that they would encourage stressing fishing. I totally agree. But

1697
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: if you talk to and actually this is an interesting point,

1698
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: and I'm not again, I'm not the one to speak

1699
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: to you. I've got a guess lined up on my

1700
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: show who is an id F, a record holder, and

1701
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: he is like frothing at the bit to get on

1702
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: the show to explain his point. And he thinks he

1703
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: has a very valid point. I'm interested in hearing it

1704
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: because he's adamant that a skilled angler can land that

1705
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: fish on twenty pound in the same amount of time

1706
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 1: as a non skilled angler on hunter pound. Yeah, that's

1707
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: his that's what about a skilled angler on hundred pound?

1708
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: His things. It doesn't matter because you're using the drag

1709
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 1: of the water, right. Yeah, you can say, like a

1710
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: skilled hunter is going to kill a deer the twenty

1711
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: two more effectively than a real ship hunter with a

1712
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: two seventy. Okay, see, so it goes everyone should use.

1713
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: That's like a very cock eyed logic. Yeah, you can

1714
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: lay that out, you can you explain that to your guests.

1715
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about guns, but I will do

1716
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: my best. Um. But in bass, in the bass fishing,

1717
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: you guys don't um the fight of the fish isn't

1718
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 1: really an issue. How so that is how you eliminate,

1719
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: Like you will get them in easier, the faster you

1720
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: get them into the boat. Typically, Yes, So you know,

1721
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: like if you're flipping, if you're flipping pads with a jig,

1722
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: you'll tie sometimes eight pound, so flip so flipping flipping

1723
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: lily pads, flipping as a technique where you you basically

1724
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: you don't even cast. You you just have line hanging

1725
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 1: out the end of your rod and you grab in

1726
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 1: between your first guide and your reel and you pull

1727
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: that line out and that brings the bait up out

1728
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: of the water and then you swing it out and

1729
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: then you let the line go and then it goes

1730
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: a little farther. It just is an easy way to

1731
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: pick your bait up sticking in a hole. Pick it

1732
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: up sticking in a hole. You know what we used

1733
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: to call that, used to steel head like that what

1734
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: like well be like chucking chucking, Okay, chucking. Yeah, like

1735
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,799
Speaker 1: you're like chucking some of you say chucking and ducking

1736
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: when you had lead on the line. Yeah, you literally

1737
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: did check it. B So so we'll run. We'll run

1738
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: eight or fish and frogs over lily pads where the

1739
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: bass company and pull you down into a big map

1740
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: of grass. You'll run eighty pound braid direct to your

1741
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: frog and us and an eight to one retrieve reel

1742
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: meat like total meat stick like it just basically like

1743
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: like a broomstick, and as soon as they bite, you

1744
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: just real as fast as you can and that you

1745
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: basically are skipping the fish almost across the water, so

1746
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: they don't even have a chance to really know what

1747
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 1: hit him. They're like, just fly inside. It doesn't It

1748
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: does not always work like that. A lot of times

1749
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: they'll pull you down and you get host Anyways, there

1750
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: fass cage fish. They live in places around a lot

1751
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 1: of cover. They hang you up. They're not big ones

1752
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: are not easy to land. And I can't even argue

1753
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,799
Speaker 1: because he's getting the fish in as fast as possible,

1754
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: so there's no argument they're My only argument is that

1755
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 1: the purpose of it is that you're doing it to

1756
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: catch as many as possible. But because it's bass, I

1757
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: really don't care because they're not feeling not indigenous. But

1758
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: it's more it's not about getting them in. You want

1759
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: to get them in the best way you can, and

1760
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: it depends on what you're using to catch those fishes.

1761
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: Like in like Washington, the lake was really clear, so

1762
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: we were having to use drop shot for the most

1763
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: part with very light leader and pretty light rods, which

1764
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: means you can't horse on them too much. You want

1765
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: to bring him as fast you can, but we're in

1766
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: open water and so a lot of times you just

1767
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 1: have to play them until you get him in the boat.

1768
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: If we were running eighty pound braid and they were biting, yeah,

1769
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: we would have just sucked him right up. But what's

1770
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: what's the goal that is to catch as many as

1771
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: possible in the tournament. The goal in a tournament is

1772
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: to catch the biggest five fish you can. So you

1773
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 1: throw your smallest one back put to put one, whatever

1774
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: is bigger than that until you have a bag of

1775
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: five fish that's as big as possible. I get it.

1776
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: You know why he was telling me the bass guys

1777
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: don't use tell us again why bass guys won't use

1778
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: live bait? I actually didn't know this. Okay, it works

1779
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: too good. My opinion is that bass guys don't use

1780
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: live bait. Yes one because if you want to know

1781
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: really why I think bass guys don't use live baitas

1782
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: because it's from a marketing perspective, and it's because there's

1783
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: an entire industry established around using plastic and artificial lures.

1784
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: That's and again the aspirational element of tournaments. Tournaments drive

1785
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 1: the culture and bass. It's the same reason they got

1786
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: a both that goes eighty miles an hour, and you know,

1787
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: like everything else is like, because the tournament anglers use

1788
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: these things and that drives the market, and the people

1789
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: sponsoring the tournament anglers are all these companies that make

1790
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: money by selling baits. And now we've just circled all

1791
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: of it back to now you understand why my head

1792
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: is where at. I just I just can't all of it.

1793
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: I just can't. It's just too much. Yeah, I hate

1794
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: I really hate it. It really bothers me. But I

1795
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: don't think that that's any different. So because that drove

1796
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: me to the state that I'm in where that's the

1797
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: way I like to fish for bass. I could use

1798
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: worms and eighty pound braid and catch bass, but I don't,

1799
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: and it's more difficult to catch them on wait on

1800
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: wait less san goes or whatever you might want to

1801
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: you and target them in that way. It's harder to do.

1802
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: That's no different than what you're doing fly fishing, and

1803
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: the biggest wanting to make it really hard. Well, I

1804
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: sound like the biggest hypocrite in the world because listen

1805
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: to the fly fisherman saying I mean basically, I just

1806
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, calling myself out for sure, but just when

1807
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: you hear yourself say it, like, you know why we

1808
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,879
Speaker 1: don't fish. I don't know. Did you ever do television?

1809
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 1: Did you television? No? No? Like like actually, like, what

1810
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: do you mean do tell on television? Television? Yeah? I

1811
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: really want you to plug stuff. And today I'm using bass.

1812
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: But did you did you do a show about bass fishing?

1813
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Now salmon fishing? Yeah? Understand? Now why um? Why is it?

1814
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: Why has bass fishing? How come there's not another kind

1815
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: of fish? If people want to go catching, you win

1816
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars for catching it. Yeah, redfish, giant marlin,

1817
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: You're going way more money in a marlin. You can

1818
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: win a million dollars in a mark in the in

1819
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: a billfish tournament. Yeah. Used to like to those tournaments. Okay,

1820
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: that's that's the Calcutta. Yeah. So bass fishing hasn't like

1821
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: cornered the tournament market. The reason bass fishing is cornered

1822
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: the tournament market here is because bass room forty nine states.

1823
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 1: They're very accessible and everybody can fish for bass, and

1824
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: so it's a very relatable type of fishing. Everybody can

1825
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: fish bass, super approachable. That's why it is. It's like

1826
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a blue collar fishing. It's like basketball.

1827
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: And soccer. Yeah, it's it's the soccer of fishing. Yeah, okay,

1828
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: that's right. Do you know what's funny? When I was

1829
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: trying to get my visa to work in the States,

1830
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 1: because there was a time when I wanted it, they

1831
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: wouldn't recognize me as professional angler unless I had a

1832
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: certain amount of like competitive winds and my belt or whatever.

1833
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: And I had I had explained, yeah, that with my career,

1834
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: that you know, my reputation doesn't based on these competitions

1835
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: that bass anglers have, and they could not wrap their

1836
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: heads around. You could have come down, you could. We

1837
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: could have got some some wins, some second place finishes

1838
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: and club tournaments eight bucks. It would have been great.

1839
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: But Matt, you want some person Yeah, yeah, yeah, all time.

1840
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: We're definitely in the in the red, but yeah, we

1841
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: want some money. I've gotten some checks north of a

1842
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. It definitely doesn't cover the costs to tackle

1843
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: and rods and everything else for this. So tournaments there

1844
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: now anymore. It's like you don't even get trophies or

1845
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: a lot of times you don't get plaques. I would

1846
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: rather have a plaque than a check. It's it's a

1847
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: bummer to me that I don't get like a little

1848
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: trophy or something when we win. It's yeah, well the

1849
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: check just they're insignificant. Be one thing. If I was

1850
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: making big money, probably wouldn't care about the trophy. But

1851
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: the two you spend three d fifty dollars in gas

1852
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: and whatever else to go to tournament went two hundred

1853
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 1: and fifty bucks if you win, like, give me a plaque.

1854
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: When when I was in tenth grade, Uh, in tenth

1855
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: grade English, you had to write a paper. You had

1856
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: to like write a comparison contrast paper. You guys know

1857
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: what those are. I remember I did mine on Herman

1858
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: Melville maybe Melville Hawthorne. Okay, my comparison contrast paper. In

1859
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 1: my tenth grade English teacher Mr Heaton sent it into

1860
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: an essay contest, the Ruth V. Robinson Essay in the

1861
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: Humanities contest Um. Again, he asked me if he could

1862
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: send it in and I said no, And uh, I

1863
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: don't know why, but he sent it in and I

1864
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: got second place, first runner up, which I thought I

1865
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: meant one, but then someone clarified the first runner up

1866
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: is just the way of screwing with you, and you're

1867
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: like second place. First place gotta check cash. Okay, they

1868
01:31:54,479 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: got like five bucks. Second place got a thesaurus. And

1869
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: I was devastated because I went to the awards ceremony

1870
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: thinking that there would be money exchanging hands. Did you

1871
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: know when you went to the awards ceremony that you

1872
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: were not knew that by then I had cleared up

1873
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: that in fact had not one. Did you look up

1874
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: how many ways you could stay disappointed? Yeah? So that's

1875
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: my next paper, the true meaning of this. Yeah. So,

1876
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: like I go down there expecting to get money, but

1877
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: didn't get money, and got up the Soros and was

1878
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: seriously bummed because money is like I think there's a

1879
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: validating effect of money. But the reason I bring this

1880
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 1: up about like money or a trophy in this case,

1881
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: that's the Soros. And one of the ways that like

1882
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 1: a line I'll always remember is I'm in tenth grade, right,

1883
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: and I'm complaining about not getting the cash to Mr Heaton,

1884
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: and Mr Heaton said, um, he is off by by

1885
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: a wide margin, but I was complained about only having

1886
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 1: a the source He said, Okay, she got five hundred dollars,

1887
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,719
Speaker 1: but there's ten thousand dollars worth of words in that book,

1888
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: which is good the value that he's undervalued and he

1889
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 1: undervalued the English language, I would say, but it was

1890
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: like it was a thing that happens. We're like money

1891
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 1: is validating, and I think that you're a bigger man

1892
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,560
Speaker 1: if you're happier with the trophy than money. Depending on

1893
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: how much money, Depending on how much money. Yeah. So

1894
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: if I said, Matt, you can have a hundred grand

1895
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: or a trophy, yeah, no question if you. If it

1896
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: was if it was a thousand dollars or a trophy,

1897
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I would take the thousand dollars. Most of the time.

1898
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 1: These tournaments in our bass club, well you have these

1899
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: plaques and every time you get it for a second

1900
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: or third place, you get like what the lake is?

1901
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 1: It goes on this plaque. It's got little other little

1902
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: placards you put onto the plaque that say like first place,

1903
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: ten amount of lake, you know, nineteen pounds, two pounds,

1904
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: and you can fill them up. But we stopped doing that,

1905
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: and and you win sixty bucks And it's not like

1906
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: life changing money. I want the little give. The money

1907
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: gets so little. It's about the It's really about thee

1908
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: The competition is what it's about. And so I'd rather

1909
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: have something to commemorate the fact that I placed well

1910
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 1: in the competition than the than sixty bucks, which is

1911
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 1: just a deduction from three hundred bucks that costs me

1912
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 1: to get to ten Mile Lake and fish the tournament. Yeah, okay,

1913
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 1: so it's it's just a totally different mentality. So when

1914
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: social media came around, just circling back to where we

1915
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 1: started on this, when social media came out, it wouldn't

1916
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: have been a big as big of a shock for

1917
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: you because you guys are already into having that sort

1918
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: of culture of like trying to prove yourselves and trying

1919
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: to showcase and trying to win, and bass fishing is

1920
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: still not really they're still so far behind the times

1921
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: social media wise. How can you guys be behind the

1922
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: times when you're the only ones who make money in

1923
01:34:55,320 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: this industry? Maybe that's why why do they either like

1924
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 1: either like the proof. It's all you care about is

1925
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: the number can you catch twenty two pounds or the

1926
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: bass and it's lake you can make. You can make

1927
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: millions of dollars if you're really good. There's only a

1928
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,799
Speaker 1: few people to do. You can make millions of dollars

1929
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 1: just on tournament earnings, fishing baths you may not may

1930
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: or may not need. By the time you get to

1931
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: that point. Of course, those hugely popular athletes are if

1932
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: you want to call them athletes that you know, the

1933
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:30,799
Speaker 1: professional bass professional bass fisherman. They are uh, generally older

1934
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 1: at that point, not always, you know, there's where you're

1935
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting to a place now though, where

1936
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: the people are thinking of as older are now my

1937
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 1: age now, Like I think it's like, oh, Danny Brower

1938
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and Kevin Vanda, well they're they're in their late forties

1939
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 1: and up to sixty now. But now now that a

1940
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of times you'll see maybe like he wasn't so

1941
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: old after yeah, but but maybe And this may actually

1942
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: go back to the athleticism a bit of it at

1943
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: least in that you have to be in good enough

1944
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: shape to put up with the boat rocking in the

1945
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: casting all day, and that you'll notice a lot of

1946
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: times some of the older guys and bass fishing will

1947
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: start to phase out and the younger anglers will start

1948
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: to do better. When I say younger, I mean people

1949
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: are in their it's exhausting and and to do it

1950
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: four days straight. It's not just not just one day,

1951
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 1: but four days in a row sun just like four

1952
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: long days of eighteen holes in a row. We're back

1953
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 1: to the gump. But here's the thing is like, now,

1954
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: if with the car, if you have to walk the course,

1955
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: I'll give I'll give it to you. But the thing

1956
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: about with the social media that you're bringing up here though,

1957
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: is this is the bass fishing. Is the meritocracy that

1958
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: you were saying you wanted. What does meritocracy mean that

1959
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: things are handed out based on merit? That's not Yeah,

1960
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: that's what That's exactly my point. That's the bass fish

1961
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: like it would be that like a professional bass fisherman

1962
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: would have nothing to gain, there's no image. It's just

1963
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: you're not selling your ability to do That's why if

1964
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: he does it, he wouldn't. It wouldn't be such a shock.

1965
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: That was my whole point. So if he does it

1966
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: is not a huge shock. But in my world, in

1967
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 1: our world, it was like wait, wait, wait, what's going on?

1968
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: I mean you don't you don't. You're not supposed to

1969
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: advertise how your day is. You're supposed to keep it

1970
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: quiet because you don't want people to know you got fish.

1971
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: You don't want people to know who you're on the water,

1972
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: you don't want them, Yeah, you got it. So just

1973
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: you couldn't even like build up your actual certified credentials.

1974
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: You could, but it wasn't necessarily going to be well received.

1975
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: That's a whole another And what you would do is

1976
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: you would try to what you should do is try

1977
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: to build up your credentials as far as your skill.

1978
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: But then you're not supposed to try to prove it

1979
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: with how many fish you cats. You're still taking a

1980
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 1: bunch of people out onto the rivers all the time.

1981
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting argument. It's just a really interesting argument.

1982
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: And it's one now that we have enough people to

1983
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: be able to have these intelligent conversations because we've kind

1984
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: of we've been in social media for enough years to

1985
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: see where we are today, and that's a whole different story.

1986
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 1: But back then, nobody knew where it was going to go.

1987
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 1: So it just this whole big what if? You know,

1988
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: this big what what if? Up in the air? What's

1989
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: going to happen to our sport? Now that it's on

1990
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,839
Speaker 1: the internet. So do you But you don't regard yourself

1991
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: like do you regard yourself as a social media But

1992
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 1: a lot of so many social media personality. Tons of

1993
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: people think that's what I do. It's hilarious, Well, what

1994
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 1: is a social media person out? No, I'm not a

1995
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 1: social media personality, not even close. But what I find

1996
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 1: interesting is a lot of people will write my bio,

1997
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: people who don't fish, and they will assume that because

1998
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: of my social media following, which actually isn't that high,

1999
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: but they'll assume that I make a living off my

2000
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: social media and I've got to stop and go like,

2001
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: can you actually revise that? Because I do not make

2002
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 1: my money off social media. I use it as a

2003
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 1: platform to get the word out of what I'm doing

2004
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: with I don't make my living off social It's crazy.

2005
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: So if someone asked you, um, if you just we're

2006
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: sitting next to someone on a plane, They're like, what

2007
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: do you do for a living? I work in fly fishing?

2008
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: And then I say, oh, I like the fly fish.

2009
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Awesome? Good for you? I don't like. Honestly,

2010
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm at the point now where people would be like,

2011
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 1: what do you do for a living? Up, I'm a writer,

2012
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: and then I just hope to god they don't ask

2013
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 1: me what I writes out. It's too hard to explain

2014
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: what do you do in fly Oh? I like to

2015
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: fly fish all my my brother in law likes to

2016
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 1: fly fish. What do you do in fly fishing? And

2017
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 1: then try explaining to someone what your career is when

2018
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: it's so spread out all over the place, So you

2019
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: get an you get sick of the conversation, don't you know,

2020
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: don't you I do? It's funny to hear you say that. Um,

2021
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: I'd start at the exact same place. What do you say?

2022
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Which is like a really cop out right, it's time,

2023
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I say, eight years ago, I would have been like

2024
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 1: dead nuts, right, Like any money I made I made

2025
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 1: from ship that I wrote. That was like all of

2026
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: my income was like like the trading of goods. Here's

2027
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 1: my product that I wrote. You give me money for

2028
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: the product, flat ass outrider. But now, yeah, it's like

2029
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 1: in in small talk, which I can't stand, Like I

2030
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: don't like small talking with strangers. Um, yeah, like stuff

2031
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: like that's painful. It's just it's really painful. Kids are

2032
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: like your kids are in school and there you'll find

2033
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: out about this. Your kids are in school and there's

2034
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: like endless events. We're supposed to go small talk with

2035
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: other parents and you're having conversations to go like oh

2036
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:24,599
Speaker 1: my friend was from there. I just well we live

2037
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: there now we live here. Oh I knew a person

2038
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: that lived there. Now we live here too. Um. You're

2039
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: like you're hurting me my ears right now, Like what

2040
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 1: do you do? And I'm like, yeah, so what's the out,

2041
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna start telling people I'm a stripper. It's

2042
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: just gonna shut it down to you know what. No

2043
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: one's going to say like what kind of Oh okay,

2044
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna go back to reading the paper.

2045
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm serious. I'm serious. It'll end it yea, yeah, because

2046
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 1: I'm over it. It's I understand. I'm all uncomfortable now totally,

2047
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 1: but it's like it's not malicious. I mean they want

2048
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 1: to engage, right, and it's just but then but then

2049
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 1: they want to hear the story and it's not like

2050
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: there's an investment of your time because they're never going

2051
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: to book with you. They're never gonna be inspired. I

2052
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: mean sometimes they're inspired enough, but it's rare. Yeah, I'm

2053
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: being a dick right now. I'm gonna like they're not

2054
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. Yeah, it's just like especially in an airplane,

2055
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 1: like already coming from not liking If you're already coming

2056
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 1: from not liking small talk with people, you don't know

2057
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna wind up. You're not developing relationship.

2058
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 1: If I feel like I'm developing relationships, that makes me happy.

2059
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: If I'm doing a one off chat, yeah, I just

2060
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 1: I have a hard time. And then when you enter

2061
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: into that and then and then you gotta it's just yeah,

2062
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 1: just strains the life out of me. No, that's interesting

2063
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: to hear that you have the same problem. I just

2064
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: thought I was a bit but but but I never like,

2065
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 1: I still come across charming. I'll still smile and be like, oh,

2066
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a writer, and then I'll usually try

2067
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: to change stuff, and then I'll say, what do you do? Like,

2068
01:41:56,280 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 1: I just don't mind me whatever, what do you do? Yeah, stripper, Okay,

2069
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 1: it might work. What do you tell people you do?

2070
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 1: There's a tough one too. People ask all the time.

2071
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 1: You say you work in entertainment, no produced television show.

2072
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 1: I think, oh, yeah, what are the producer do? Then

2073
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 1: then you're stuck. Yeah it's long winded answer. Yeah, yeah,

2074
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:28,120
Speaker 1: I tell them, I'm I generally tell them, yeah, I

2075
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: got two thousand dollars do you say that? Now, I'll

2076
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: tell people that I work in marketing for US. Usually

2077
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 1: I say I work in marketing in the shooting sports industry,

2078
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 1: even though yeah, now that is really the primary market

2079
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 1: that we're in a hunting tactical. Those are the two

2080
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: primary markets for what we call the category sports cutlery

2081
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: or specialty knives. Sports cutloring, specialty knives. So the reason

2082
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,040
Speaker 1: that I don't so I feel like, maybe for the

2083
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:01,479
Speaker 1: same reasons, but once I started, once I start, once

2084
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: I start into that conversation, it requires a long train

2085
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: of explanation that I don't really want to go into.

2086
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 1: So I will just give them a that is the generalization.

2087
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like, I'm what's the answer that leads to

2088
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: the long train. Well, so I would say, I would say, oh, well,

2089
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 1: I'm I work. I'm a marketing director at bench Made

2090
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: Knife Company. What's bench made knife company? Well, it's bench

2091
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: Made Knife Company where blah blah blah, you know, and

2092
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: then I usually feel like, you know, maybe they'll maybe

2093
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 1: they do, or maybe they don't care, but it's going

2094
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: to require me to have a conversation that leads down

2095
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 1: the road of Okay, well, tell me more about sports cutlery,

2096
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 1: or tell me more about shooting sports or oh, tactical knives.

2097
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 1: That was a cool attempt. Yeah. So if I'm invested

2098
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 1: in the conversation, I'm interested in talking to that person,

2099
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 1: then yeah, fine talking. But I generally also don't I

2100
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 1: don't know that I, especially with strangers, really enjoy talking

2101
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: about myself that much. So I usually will ask them

2102
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: questions about themselves. For me, it's it's already in a round.

2103
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: It's just a total mood thing. If they catch me

2104
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: like ten am in the airport and I've had like

2105
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: one or two coffees and I'm feeling pretty sprouted and

2106
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: I just got done on a hunting her fishing trip

2107
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, so what do you do? And I'm like, buddy,

2108
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:17,320
Speaker 1: you got an ear, you know? But yeah, right now,

2109
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell any stories. What do you say? Like?

2110
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: What would be? Because my big thing is because then

2111
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:23,559
Speaker 1: they want to know my life story? Really did your

2112
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: dad fish? How did you get into it? Oh? That's

2113
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 1: so interesting? Are there a lot of women in the sport?

2114
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: I just what's a good way without me saying I

2115
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: take my clothes off for a living what is a

2116
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 1: good like, help me out, guys, give me a picture.

2117
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: All about the picture. It's give me an excuse. What's

2118
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: something I can say to get out of this? To

2119
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 1: get out of it? I could say I work in marketing.

2120
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: You or you could say that's say I'm a I'm

2121
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 1: a professional, I'm a professional fisher. No, hell no, that's

2122
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 1: what gets me. Do No, that's never gonna end. It

2123
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: gets me just to just to plane get out of it.

2124
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:55,679
Speaker 1: I don't work, get me out of it. I'm gonna

2125
01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 1: stay at home mom. No one's gonna be like no, yeah, yeah,

2126
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:09,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I'm not actually a mom. That sounds

2127
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: a good point. It's probably what kind of mood you're in,

2128
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: and like if you're just not if you just really

2129
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 1: don't like talking about yourself with strangers that much and

2130
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: you feel like it's not necessarily going to turn into

2131
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: something meaningful, then it doesn't matter what you say. Like

2132
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 1: you're right. You could say I'm a stay at home mom.

2133
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: You could say I'm a stripper, and the person might

2134
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:27,759
Speaker 1: say like, oh, that's cool, Like my sister was a stripper.

2135
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: Tell me about tell me more about stripping. Right, The

2136
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 1: best way is to diverge the conversation, just get back

2137
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 1: at them. I think that's what's worked worked for me

2138
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: best is just being like, you know, you know I

2139
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 1: work in the outdoors, what do you do? Or you know?

2140
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:42,679
Speaker 1: I notice you're reading this what is? And I'm actually

2141
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 1: interested in what they do. I just don't want to

2142
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 1: explain my life story. I know my life story. I'm

2143
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 1: not interested in it anymore. It's kind of cool to

2144
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: hear someone else's something this whole thing up. Um, I'm

2145
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: gonna say that. I'm it's pleasantly surprised to hear the

2146
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 1: other people don't like that kind of small talk. And

2147
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 1: what it's gonna change for me is I'm going to

2148
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: really make damn sure that I never now I'm going

2149
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 1: to assume there's four people at this table who don't

2150
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 1: like that kind of small talk, really gonna be very

2151
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 1: good about not telling, not making other people do what

2152
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 1: I now know is universally and not liked good. I'm

2153
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: never gonna say to someone what do you do for

2154
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: a living? I don't feel to do that now. It's

2155
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 1: just too load of a question. It's just too much,

2156
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:33,720
Speaker 1: it's too much. I'm done, man, if I've ever done

2157
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 1: it for, and I don't think that I have Like

2158
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: damn sure, I'm not gonna now go up to someone

2159
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 1: now that I know it's gonna be so annoying for them.

2160
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: When I asked what they do for. We talked about

2161
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 1: this before. We're pretty good at sausing now, the hunters

2162
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: and fisherman. I can smell them mile away at the

2163
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: little events, So you know that's that's the conversation gonna

2164
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 1: go fine, and then you just get to talk about hunter. Yeah,

2165
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,040
Speaker 1: but like I gotta go to a wedding reception, this

2166
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 1: one Jude Native fishes or Hans, I'm gonna find him. Yeah.

2167
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 1: If not, I'm not I'm gonna try real hard, nuts

2168
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,839
Speaker 1: talck to anybody find the guy with the elk tattoo

2169
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:16,839
Speaker 1: on his forearm. Yeah, I I maybe that so guiding.

2170
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:19,680
Speaker 1: That's the thing that I didn't like about guiding that

2171
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:21,640
Speaker 1: I decided, like early on, I don't want to be

2172
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: a guy because I would come back from Alaska and

2173
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: I would have no interest in going fishing for salmon.

2174
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I didn't want to even look

2175
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: at a salmon. And I thought, man, this is like

2176
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 1: my thing. I love fishing. I don't want to turn

2177
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:36,759
Speaker 1: fishing into work, and that so I can talk about

2178
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 1: fishing with some of your hunting all day because it's

2179
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 1: not work, because it's not work. And I think, then

2180
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,639
Speaker 1: that's a really interesting point. You just said that, because

2181
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: because like you, I made that mistake with fishing, and

2182
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: I love Mike. I'm very blessed to have my career.

2183
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm not taking it for granted by any means, but

2184
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: because I do know the mistakes I made with fishing,

2185
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:56,599
Speaker 1: and I know I don't want to make those mistakes

2186
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: with hunting. I can't tell if it's because I don't

2187
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 1: have unting as a career or if it's that I

2188
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:04,320
Speaker 1: just haven't been hunting long enough. But I'm more than

2189
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: happy to talk about hunting the people don hunters, hunters, whomever.

2190
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 1: But it hurts me to talk about fishing. And if

2191
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 1: you really want to hurt me, pull your iPhone and

2192
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,759
Speaker 1: start showing me photos, have your fish on your iPhone.

2193
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 1: You wind up talking to some duds showing us a deer,

2194
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 1: and it winds up being that, uh, you could have

2195
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,680
Speaker 1: just gone on to a website. Like by the time

2196
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 1: they get done with all. This is my cousin's brother's

2197
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 1: neighbors shot this buck? Yeah? Really are we talking about?

2198
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: How do we even get here? Exactly? Know? So maybe

2199
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: that's what it is, because yeah, there's certain things I

2200
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 1: got no problem talking about, but with fishing because it

2201
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 1: is my career. Because I'm just so sick of hearing

2202
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: my own story, I'll talk about it anymore. But to

2203
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: touch on the hunting thing for a minute. Have you

2204
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:57,720
Speaker 1: shot a big game family yet with a with a

2205
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 1: gun or bowl? Not successful? I've Yeah, well I went

2206
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:07,679
Speaker 1: stag hunting this year with Adam green Tree and he called,

2207
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 1: what this one beautiful stag? And you know in Australia,

2208
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 1: got great stag hunting in Australia. But I guess because

2209
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't comfortable with the shot. Was I mean he

2210
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 1: came in at me face on, and so you know

2211
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: how the ribs closed up as they face you, and

2212
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: I was shooting one of those like a triple what

2213
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 1: do you call the triple blade, tribe blades or three boys? Yeah,

2214
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:28,600
Speaker 1: and I just it wasn't the right shot for me,

2215
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 1: so I didn't take it. My heart was going crazy

2216
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 1: and it was just have you obviously you've hunted stag before? Yeah?

2217
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and you know how they got in New Zealand. Yeah,

2218
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 1: so you know how they roar that crazy who are

2219
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 1: hunted during the roar, I've heard it. I've never hunted

2220
01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: the most incredibly terrifying thing that I've ever experienced in

2221
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: the most wonderful way. And of course you hear in

2222
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 1: the ground and you know it's like vibrating underneath you.

2223
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: It was amazing. But now I wasn't able to get

2224
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 1: a decent shot in, So I'm going back. When you

2225
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 1: have the restraint, you didn't just be like what the hill?

2226
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, um no. I wanted to

2227
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 1: be right. I wanted to be right, so it wasn't right.

2228
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 1: But maybe the snack go back next week because I

2229
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 1: was I was selling out. Is that my goal before

2230
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 1: this baby is to catch a giant Travali and a

2231
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 1: marlin and get a deer on the bow five I've

2232
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: got I've got a book. So next week I go

2233
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 1: to ash from my from my hunting trip and then

2234
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 1: I go on my marlin trip. So I'm I got

2235
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:26,719
Speaker 1: my trips book. I don't know if I'll be successful,

2236
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: but I'm going to go for it. My brother's wife

2237
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 1: she huked up and killed the Mountain Go when she

2238
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 1: was six and a half months pregnant. Oh yeah, and

2239
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to still be going till I'm seven and

2240
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 1: a half. I'll be going straight through until they say

2241
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 1: I can't anymore for sure. Can't you hunt anything in

2242
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Australia pretty much any time a year with the Yeah,

2243
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,480
Speaker 1: for the most part, you don't. I mean, obviously kangaroos

2244
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 1: are indigenous, but even they are open season. I have

2245
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 1: a no paw rule. I just don't eat things with pause.

2246
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 1: It's not not even an ethical thing. I just don't

2247
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 1: you kind of kangaroo as a paw. Yeah I do. Yeah,

2248
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 1: I just have no interest in hunting or eating kank

2249
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 1: I've eating kangaroo. I don't particularly fancy it. So it's

2250
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: not interested in the fact that they called deer and

2251
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: that people if I mean farmers want them dead and

2252
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: then they just wrought on the property. They don't even

2253
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: eat them half the time, or they shoot them at

2254
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 1: a helicopters. It's just it's a really great entrance into

2255
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: the sport. Is you know, are these feral dear because

2256
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 1: you still appreciate and love them, but it's just a

2257
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: different mentality over there because you feel better about killing

2258
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: the deer and had here doesn't suffer less knowing that

2259
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 1: he's fair. I know. And when I had you on

2260
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 1: my show, you had a super valid point. But it's

2261
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:35,600
Speaker 1: just for for the population wise now. But for the

2262
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: population wise, it's easier just to wrap your head around

2263
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 1: a lot of that's are hunting, and the same thing

2264
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: with the with the pigs, like it's just yeah, you

2265
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,640
Speaker 1: just come in cold without understanding a whole lot of

2266
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: like complex history and structural regulatory structure. You can come

2267
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 1: in cold and be like, Okay, so I'm not doing

2268
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,759
Speaker 1: I can just without really looking into this hard, figure

2269
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: out that I'm not doing ecological damage by hunting this animal. Yeah,

2270
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:00,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think you're doing a logical damage by

2271
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,839
Speaker 1: hunting animals that are wild and bc either, for example.

2272
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: But there is something for me, not even for me actually,

2273
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,639
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm good hunting in both countries. I'm quite

2274
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:11,880
Speaker 1: content and I do hunt in both countries or on

2275
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: both continents. But like for my dad who's so opposed

2276
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,760
Speaker 1: to hunting, it is easier for me if I am

2277
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:20,679
Speaker 1: going to go down the path of having the conversation

2278
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 1: with a non hunter, which is just as painful. Oftentimes

2279
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 1: it's talking about what you do for a living. But

2280
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:26,920
Speaker 1: if I am trying to explain to a non hunter

2281
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 1: why um hunting in Australia maybe isn't so bad. The

2282
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 1: fact that they can envision people hunting them about helicopters

2283
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: and just letting them all rotten mass piles, that really

2284
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 1: that really strikes a chord with them. They'd rather that

2285
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 1: animal be consumed. So it's just a good it's a

2286
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: good starting point. Like recently on my podcast started interviewing

2287
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 1: hunters as I had you on there, and I decided

2288
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: I had you and several other hunters and I decided

2289
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 1: to post by Adam green Tree podcast first for a

2290
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: reason because he's an Australian hunter. Because he could explain

2291
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 1: hunting to all my listeners who don't you, who don't hunt.

2292
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 1: He could explain hunting and always fall back on the

2293
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 1: feral animal thing, even though let's get real, like the

2294
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 1: fair are the animals don't know they're feral. But it

2295
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 1: does help the non hunter wrap their head around it

2296
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better. I find like two people would

2297
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 1: say like, yeah, I believe in hunting as long as

2298
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 1: it's a feral some and some people actually do they're wrong. Well,

2299
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: it depends on how far you want to go into

2300
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 1: like the you know they're they're wrong. Yeah, I think

2301
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 1: if if you either believe in hunting or you don't,

2302
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 1: full stop in the story. But because there's always a

2303
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 1: conservation issue behind all hunting, like, let's get real about it.

2304
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the Africa stuff, but I'm

2305
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: just talking about in BC and in Australia, whether it's

2306
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 1: an indigenous animal or whether it's introduced, there's always conservation,

2307
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: um background or reasons somewhere behind that opening for the

2308
01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: most part, somewhere in it, somewhere in there. So you

2309
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: feel that if you're talking to your audience and they're

2310
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 1: fly fishing people, that the fly fishing people are, you

2311
01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable, uh, introducing them to the idea of

2312
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:05,640
Speaker 1: hunting by having to be that you're out killing. I

2313
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 1: thought that because I was going to interview him anyway,

2314
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,759
Speaker 1: and I just thought that strategically I might just post

2315
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 1: that one first because he came across quite gentle and

2316
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: he was just I felt like he was a good

2317
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 1: starting point to introduce my listener to bow hunting and um,

2318
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: and I was right. I was right. The amount of

2319
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 1: feedback I got was incredible, the amount of people who said,

2320
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 1: I was actually really upset to hear that you were

2321
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: going to start posting about hunting. I listened to the

2322
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:33,320
Speaker 1: podcast and it made perfect sense to me. I totally

2323
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,720
Speaker 1: got it. And I think because Adam was able to

2324
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 1: fall back on explaining why a lot of ferial animals

2325
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: are so bad to the egan ecosystem, it did give

2326
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 1: him he probably likes those animals being there hunt him,

2327
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 1: of course he does. Yeah. No, we could take the

2328
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 1: argument as deep down as we want. You knows deep

2329
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 1: down that road as we want. But the point is

2330
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 1: for the average person who wouldn't even think to entertain

2331
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 1: picking up any sort of gun or a bow, it

2332
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: was just a good starting point. It gave them. It

2333
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 1: gave them a little bit different perspective. Now, of course,

2334
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 1: that same perspective is here in North America. The same

2335
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 1: conservation issues and apply here, But for some reason, just

2336
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 1: as soon as they hear feral and wasted meat and

2337
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 1: helicopter culling, for some reason, they're just more receptive to it.

2338
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:15,360
Speaker 1: And for me, I don't care how I get them

2339
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: to listen, Like if I could just get my tache

2340
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: lists and just anyway. And if that's how I'm going

2341
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 1: to do it by talking about fairl animals, then hell,

2342
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to fairl animals. I find that here

2343
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 1: in this country where people people will be like, um,

2344
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, all their life they heard because where they were,

2345
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,000
Speaker 1: where they were brought up, generally how and where they

2346
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:34,000
Speaker 1: were brought up, they've heard all their life like hunt's

2347
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 1: real bad, hunting is bad. There's all these you know, inductrines. Um.

2348
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: When they start getting interested in hunting, they are working,

2349
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 1: they're trying so hard to find a way to justify

2350
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 1: it because they're kind of sickened. They're sickened to buy

2351
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 1: their own interest. They're like, I feel this need. I

2352
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 1: feel like I want to go do something, and I'm

2353
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 1: tapping into some deep thing that I want to go do.

2354
01:55:58,160 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 1: I just need to find a way that I can

2355
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 1: just sell it to everyone. Everyone usually wants the first

2356
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 1: thing they want to go do because they want to

2357
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 1: go on a wild pig because they're like that way,

2358
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't need to deal with I don't need to

2359
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 1: deal with that much of trying to like figure this out,

2360
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: I think you have. I can fall back on this

2361
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 1: idea that the pigs shouldn't be here. So this is

2362
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 1: gonna be an easier way for me to get into

2363
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 1: this than getting into the ship. That's like really complicated

2364
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:30,960
Speaker 1: and hard. Everything you just said is bang on in

2365
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:33,000
Speaker 1: my experience, because you're talking to one of those people

2366
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 1: right now. I've been I've been brought up to understand

2367
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 1: the hunting is bad, it's a necessary don't worry about

2368
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: where your food comes from. I mean all this bullshit, right, Obviously,

2369
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that that's why I hunt. But

2370
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 1: the thing is is that it's not about me justifying

2371
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 1: to the rest of the world. I mean, I wanted

2372
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 1: my podcast to be listened to by the rest of

2373
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 1: the world so that they could open their eyes and

2374
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 1: their ears a little bit. But for me, I'm that

2375
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 1: person you're talking about, and and it was never about

2376
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: justifying to other people. It was about justifying to myself

2377
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 1: because I was so confused because the animal and I

2378
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 1: did this piece on social media the other day. There's

2379
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 1: actually a picture of the stag that we called in

2380
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: and it's the moment where I'm on full draw. We're

2381
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: like fifteen yards from each other. We're literally he I'm

2382
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 1: watching him search my face with his eyes until his

2383
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,960
Speaker 1: eyes locked into mine and then we have that moment.

2384
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:20,040
Speaker 1: It's just the most incredible moment of my life. And

2385
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 1: it was one of those situations of I really don't

2386
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:26,560
Speaker 1: want to shoot you, like please go away, like just

2387
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 1: don't don't give me the right shot. Don't give me

2388
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 1: the right shot. And of course he didn't, so you know,

2389
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:32,840
Speaker 1: but it was a constant It's a constant battle of

2390
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 1: if I really want to kill this animal, if I

2391
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:37,480
Speaker 1: really want to harvest this animal, then why do I

2392
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:41,120
Speaker 1: have this crazy urge to not pull the trigger. I mean,

2393
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:43,600
Speaker 1: it's a constant battle within myself. It's very confusing. And

2394
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 1: I made my first hunt to be a pig for sure. Um,

2395
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to see. I was in Florida. Granted it

2396
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: was just that's what was in season. There were pigs,

2397
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it was a conscious decision,

2398
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: but I wanted to see how I felt about having

2399
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 1: an animal die in front of me and my buddy.

2400
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: My buddies were going on it. I got a hunting

2401
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 1: trip with guns, and I really was not it didn't

2402
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 1: didn't thoroughly enjoy the experience. Um, but I did choose

2403
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: a pig. It was interesting to hear you say that,

2404
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 1: because I did choose that as my first one, but

2405
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: to justify to myself. And it's still a constant battle, Steve,

2406
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: It's still a constant battle about why when that animal

2407
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 1: does come in, why, there's a part of me it's like,

2408
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 1: oh God, I really don't know if I want this shot,

2409
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 1: but then deep down I really want the shot. It's

2410
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:28,840
Speaker 1: very confusing, it's very conflicting for a new person, and

2411
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's my own if it's my

2412
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:35,200
Speaker 1: upbringing and my indoctrination that inserts that sort of uncertainty,

2413
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:40,040
Speaker 1: or if it's my own sensitivity, or if it's my

2414
01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:42,000
Speaker 1: own uncertain Like, I don't know what it is, but

2415
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: there is something in me as a new hunter who's

2416
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 1: just a little bit confused by it. For sure. Then

2417
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 1: pigs want to be in the gateway drug though, man

2418
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:52,520
Speaker 1: they are I think that well. I think seeing your

2419
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 1: first animal dies really it's a different experience, right, Like

2420
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 1: it was a real experience for me to watch my

2421
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 1: first animal die, and I needed to see if I

2422
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 1: could handle it. And for some reason, for some reason,

2423
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 1: the pig was a justifiable animal for me. I'm not

2424
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 1: saying it's right, but I think it's an adult onset

2425
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:14,800
Speaker 1: hunter thing where you're like, you're just mature enough to

2426
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 1: have collected thoughts in that moment and to be like

2427
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 1: I do, but don't I do, but don't run away.

2428
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 1: Don't run away? Where when you're twelve and that deer

2429
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 1: runs in for the first time, it's just you know,

2430
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 1: tunnel vision. Yeah, all these people getting into hunting as adults. Man,

2431
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 1: they're dealing with like they're on a way to trip

2432
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 1: when you're like a kid who grows up around hunt.

2433
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:36,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's but it's hard.

2434
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 1: It's a very very conflicting trip. It's it's it's difficult,

2435
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 1: and that is something we're talking You asked me earlier

2436
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,200
Speaker 1: about if somebody said, you know, I want you to

2437
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 1: take people by the hand and lead them through. And

2438
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:49,600
Speaker 1: that's the sole reason why I've introduced the the Hunters

2439
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 1: on the podcast is just to have them follow with

2440
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 1: me in this crazy journey because it is conflicting coming

2441
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 1: into this as an adult. It is, for sure. You

2442
01:59:57,080 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 1: just need to get one under your belt. Yeah, it's

2443
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:03,320
Speaker 1: just some money you have, you have a sense of like,

2444
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up a hunting family either, you know,

2445
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 1: I didn't really start hunting hard until I was eighteen

2446
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 1: and my friends could. We had cars and you get

2447
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,680
Speaker 1: around on our own and all that. But yeah, when

2448
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:16,920
Speaker 1: you're young and you don't have a whole lot of

2449
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 1: maybe thoughts of your own at that point in time,

2450
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:20,920
Speaker 1: and then you're just looking to have fun. You get

2451
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:24,000
Speaker 1: that out of the way early. Then later on there's

2452
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 1: always there's always if you really, if you sounds like

2453
02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 1: you may be sort of soft hearted when it comes

2454
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 1: to never been for fun, don't There will never not

2455
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 1: be a sense of remorse. No, And it's impossible for

2456
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: me to not have a sense of remorse because there's that, Yeah,

2457
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 1: do you feel bummed out when you kill a chinook um? Yeah,

2458
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 1: for a moment, I do. Yeah, No, I feel a

2459
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:53,400
Speaker 1: little bummed. I mean, I kill a ton of bow

2460
02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 1: hunt bow hunt a ton for gross and my first

2461
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:01,120
Speaker 1: few were yeah, I don't know. It's remorse is definitely

2462
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:04,680
Speaker 1: a severe appreciation, serious appreciation. I do feel a little

2463
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:06,360
Speaker 1: weird though, Yeah, when I touched it and still warm,

2464
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of yeah, we're dudes eating chicken. McNuggets. Man,

2465
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 1: when they buy it in that nugget, they're not there's

2466
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 1: twelve or how many? How many chickens are in one McNugget? Right,

2467
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,480
Speaker 1: But that's why I started trying to get them all

2468
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:24,680
Speaker 1: blended together. Chickens one of the reasons why we started hunting.

2469
02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:27,440
Speaker 1: Like I was. I'm saying, the don't they don't have

2470
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 1: to cope with it. Are still warm, They don't need

2471
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:33,440
Speaker 1: to cope with it, They don't need to think. I

2472
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 1: like the term severe appreciation. It's a paradox. The sense

2473
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,840
Speaker 1: of elation outweighs the sense of remorse, but the sense

2474
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 1: of remorse is still there. Yeah, that's a good pointing in, Matt,

2475
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:48,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's an interesting journey, ladies and gentlemen,

2476
02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 1: Matt Elliott paradox. So you got any You got any

2477
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:57,120
Speaker 1: final thoughts you want to add in? I don't know.

2478
02:01:57,240 --> 02:01:59,720
Speaker 1: You kind of derailed me. I got off on a

2479
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:02,480
Speaker 1: bunch your rants, you know, I just know you didn't.

2480
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:04,080
Speaker 1: You had the one about where you grew up, which

2481
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,920
Speaker 1: was interesting me because I didn't realize when I think

2482
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:09,080
Speaker 1: a BC, I just think they're all like quaint, little

2483
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:13,760
Speaker 1: cute little talents. Yeah, no, no, no, Google sory, Google sory.

2484
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, no. I think the thing for me is,

2485
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:18,160
Speaker 1: if I had to just clarify and summer in summary,

2486
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:21,480
Speaker 1: I'd say, there's always every time I teach, I always

2487
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,560
Speaker 1: say two things, like, there's always asterisks beside everything I say,

2488
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 1: and there's always an It depends. Everything has an't it depends.

2489
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 1: So a lot of this stuff we've spoken debated about

2490
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,320
Speaker 1: today has been really fast paced. So I just want

2491
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 1: to make it very clear that the social media argument,

2492
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 1: I understand where there's hypocrisy in both sides. I understand

2493
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:42,560
Speaker 1: where the argument can be debated on all sides. I

2494
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:45,120
Speaker 1: get it. We haven't had we don't have ten hours

2495
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:47,760
Speaker 1: to sit here and hash it out. But yeah, I

2496
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:49,560
Speaker 1: just want to kind of summarize that there are a

2497
02:02:49,640 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 1: lot of it depends. I mean, I meant everything I said,

2498
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:54,480
Speaker 1: but there are some times where it depends. Social media

2499
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:57,440
Speaker 1: has been great in a lot of ways for our sports.

2500
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,120
Speaker 1: It's been great for awareness, and it's been great for

2501
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,640
Speaker 1: advocacy and for community and all of that. But again,

2502
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,880
Speaker 1: it depends. Yeah, it does depend because nothing really social

2503
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 1: media is so big, but then nothing really has like

2504
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:16,160
Speaker 1: what I don't know what it's done. You really stand

2505
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: back and look at like hunting in America or wildlife

2506
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 1: in America. Okay, public lands in America, clean air and

2507
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:28,040
Speaker 1: clean water in America. I can't sit back and go

2508
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:32,760
Speaker 1: like man, uh, things sucked and then social media came out,

2509
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:40,320
Speaker 1: and now man ship is great. Tangible in any kind

2510
02:03:40,360 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 1: of tangible way, but as far as like as far

2511
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,240
Speaker 1: as as far as the bounds within which we're discussing

2512
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:52,480
Speaker 1: right now, in any tangible way, participation, amount of money,

2513
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:58,040
Speaker 1: amount of extracurricular spending or or non essential spending that

2514
02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:00,360
Speaker 1: a hunter will do or a fisherman will do for

2515
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:05,680
Speaker 1: conservation efforts, or how clean air and water are Like

2516
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: you're thinking, none of this ship, None of this ship

2517
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:12,960
Speaker 1: has been improved by it. It does not matter. The

2518
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:16,880
Speaker 1: real things that matter, right, but the small thing bull

2519
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:20,480
Speaker 1: But the small thing like Marlin vision with rise Off,

2520
02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:23,680
Speaker 1: the small things that make up the broad things that

2521
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 1: would do I have found make a difference. They tell me,

2522
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 1: just real quick, just real quick, tell me the thing

2523
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:31,400
Speaker 1: that you're like. That part of the world sucked and

2524
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:34,000
Speaker 1: then social media fixed it. I can't do with that

2525
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 1: part of the world. I can tell you situations where

2526
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 1: we've needed awareness to be able to collect money and

2527
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 1: support to be able to fight big corporations in British

2528
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:47,000
Speaker 1: Columbia and having the exposure again, whether it be radio

2529
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:52,080
Speaker 1: or written articles or social media or podcast or whatever

2530
02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 1: it may be. The the awareness has helped to beat

2531
02:04:56,360 --> 02:04:59,400
Speaker 1: out large corporations because we've been able to accumulate funding

2532
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:01,920
Speaker 1: to be able to you know, have lawyers. And this

2533
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:03,600
Speaker 1: keep in mind, this is coming from a guy that

2534
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 1: uses they used it. Well, that's what I'm saying. You

2535
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 1: want to speak the biggest hypocrite, That's fine, but I

2536
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 1: try not to. Um. I try to be realistic about

2537
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:14,960
Speaker 1: I find your social media educational and I hope that

2538
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:18,720
Speaker 1: my social media is inspirational. I just don't find either

2539
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:21,440
Speaker 1: of our social media and narcissistic. I mean, I know

2540
02:05:21,480 --> 02:05:22,640
Speaker 1: if you go through my phone, you're not going to

2541
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 1: find a single selfie on it. I just don't do them.

2542
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's not going to be an entire fee

2543
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,640
Speaker 1: of me looking hot and smiling in the camera. And

2544
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not fishing to get photos of looking hot

2545
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:33,120
Speaker 1: and smiling in the camp. Well, if you want to

2546
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:37,240
Speaker 1: be a hunting hosts, yoga pants selfies is how you

2547
02:05:37,320 --> 02:05:44,320
Speaker 1: do it. I'm never getting pictures of yourself exercising and

2548
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 1: be like getting ready for both season. Okay, so I

2549
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you that's the that's

2550
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,200
Speaker 1: the female path of success. Now, if I feel like

2551
02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:56,360
Speaker 1: I might look hot in my yoga pants, I might no, no, no,

2552
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:59,320
Speaker 1: but hey, look here. If you're not catching the sarcasm, yeah, no,

2553
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,000
Speaker 1: I caught the sarcasm. But I'll be gonna be honest

2554
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:02,920
Speaker 1: with you. And what I'm gonna say is a big deal.

2555
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:08,960
Speaker 1: It's a big deal. I have enjoyed bow hunting more

2556
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:13,320
Speaker 1: than I enjoy fly fishing. That's huge for me to

2557
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 1: say that. And I love it so much that when

2558
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:18,400
Speaker 1: I first got into it, I was so I loved

2559
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 1: it so much that it actually really threw me off

2560
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:22,720
Speaker 1: because it was all I could think about, still all

2561
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:24,960
Speaker 1: I can think about, and it really scared me that

2562
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:26,600
Speaker 1: someone was going to try to take it away from me.

2563
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:29,680
Speaker 1: And that was very strange to be like, well, who's

2564
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:31,360
Speaker 1: going to take it away from me? And then I

2565
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:34,520
Speaker 1: had to really look into myself and reflect and go, okay,

2566
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:36,320
Speaker 1: this is this is your fear because of fishing, and

2567
02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:38,360
Speaker 1: so I just refused to let anyone take this from me.

2568
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:41,240
Speaker 1: This is mine. The industry, neither industry can have it.

2569
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,000
Speaker 1: This is mine. You know what I think you're liking

2570
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:46,160
Speaker 1: about it? What do you think earlier? I thought about that,

2571
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:51,240
Speaker 1: the stripping away of realities. I think that, Um, what

2572
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:54,200
Speaker 1: you're liking about is it's it's it's got it. It's

2573
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 1: it's more connected to the reality. It is. It's all reality,

2574
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:02,120
Speaker 1: even more connect it to that ancient food acquisition technology,

2575
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:04,720
Speaker 1: even when the triggers not pulled, just getting up on

2576
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 1: that animal there, it's only reality, it is only there's

2577
02:07:09,160 --> 02:07:10,560
Speaker 1: no game here that It's not a game for me.

2578
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:12,440
Speaker 1: It's not a game for me, because you're right, with

2579
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:14,960
Speaker 1: the marlin, it's totally a game. But with this, with

2580
02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:18,360
Speaker 1: this hunting thing, doesn't matter, bou, whatever it is, this

2581
02:07:18,520 --> 02:07:20,200
Speaker 1: is not a game. No, you can't make them into

2582
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:26,360
Speaker 1: a golf ball. No, no, take it really seriously, Matt,

2583
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:28,720
Speaker 1: what do you think about all that? So I was

2584
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:31,120
Speaker 1: going to go back to what I was saying about

2585
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 1: not liking to necessarily have conversations with people about I'll

2586
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:39,480
Speaker 1: tie this in, but I actually do, like on an

2587
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 1: airplane talking to the well. So I don't like what

2588
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 1: talking about what I do for a living. But I

2589
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 1: do like talking about nives. I do like talking about

2590
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:50,240
Speaker 1: bench made and I do like talking fishing, and I

2591
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:53,040
Speaker 1: like talking hunting, and I especially like talking hunting with

2592
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:56,680
Speaker 1: people who either a don't hunt or even be I

2593
02:07:56,760 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 1: don't agree with hunting because yes, because most of the

2594
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:02,680
Speaker 1: most the time, I feel like I feel like I

2595
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:08,000
Speaker 1: can champion an argument that we'll win out over somebody's argument.

2596
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:10,720
Speaker 1: Again saying, I'm not saying that I'm always going to

2597
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:14,280
Speaker 1: be infallible in that conversation. You're a pretty non intimidating

2598
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:16,760
Speaker 1: guy too, Like the same thing with Adam. It's a

2599
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:19,040
Speaker 1: softer approach. I guarantee you. I guarantee you as a

2600
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:21,240
Speaker 1: nod hunter. If I sat down with you, Steve, and

2601
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 1: if I sat down with you, I would be much

2602
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 1: more inclined to listen to what you had to say

2603
02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 1: because you're just a little softer in in your approach.

2604
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:33,240
Speaker 1: That's the way I feel, because you are so said

2605
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:35,520
Speaker 1: in your way, Steve, like you would be intimidating I

2606
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:38,600
Speaker 1: think for a non hunter. And yeah, like you changed

2607
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:41,200
Speaker 1: my mind about major ship every day. No, I understand that,

2608
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:43,520
Speaker 1: but like you just there's just a different approach, Like

2609
02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 1: he's a soft guy for the most part. I mean,

2610
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:52,720
Speaker 1: but like like look at look at how look at

2611
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:54,760
Speaker 1: how ready turned on. He was talking about spying on

2612
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:57,360
Speaker 1: his wife from the catwalk, Like creepy, you know what

2613
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean. But I think that I think that you're right.

2614
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:02,920
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, I know. I enjoy talking to

2615
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:05,840
Speaker 1: non hunters too, especially because I love going on from

2616
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:07,920
Speaker 1: a software approach. I think I'm just assuming that you

2617
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:11,440
Speaker 1: have a software approach. I just want people who are

2618
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 1: thoughtful about hunting and where that practice comes from, to

2619
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:19,680
Speaker 1: be able to champion that conversation as often as possible

2620
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:22,920
Speaker 1: with people who don't to change their mind, to have

2621
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:27,720
Speaker 1: them realize that people are a part of the ecosystem

2622
02:09:27,960 --> 02:09:31,640
Speaker 1: and it's important for us to take upon ourselves that

2623
02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:35,560
Speaker 1: responsibility of being the apex predators, and it's good for

2624
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 1: it's good for the wildlife. He does have a soft approach.

2625
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 1: I've got to eat my words because I googled you

2626
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:42,920
Speaker 1: before I met you, and I watched you tell some

2627
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:47,280
Speaker 1: vegan guy explain your point of view on it, and

2628
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,320
Speaker 1: you actually did a fantastic job, Like I shared it.

2629
02:09:49,320 --> 02:09:51,320
Speaker 1: Because I'm talking there, I'm talking to someone I don't know,

2630
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:53,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know what they know. But I'm talking

2631
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:56,800
Speaker 1: to friends of mine and we're like if I'm talking

2632
02:09:56,840 --> 02:09:59,480
Speaker 1: to friends of mine and we're like dicking around with

2633
02:09:59,640 --> 02:10:01,920
Speaker 1: like very fious ideas, I'm not worried about it. I'm

2634
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:04,960
Speaker 1: not worried about like coddling them into some kind of belief.

2635
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:08,160
Speaker 1: Just like I'm not like, you need to be gentle

2636
02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 1: with young Matt here. You know. It's like he knows

2637
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:17,120
Speaker 1: what he knows. Yeah, but if he does something that

2638
02:10:17,160 --> 02:10:19,560
Speaker 1: seems funny to me, honestly, time, I think it's funny. Yeah,

2639
02:10:19,680 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 1: I had a great time fish and bass, but I

2640
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:23,320
Speaker 1: still think there's a lot of stuff about bass fish

2641
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:27,280
Speaker 1: and it's really strange. I will not I'm not gonna

2642
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:29,120
Speaker 1: roll up on some dude. I'm not gonna pull my

2643
02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:32,240
Speaker 1: boat up next to a bass fish and and be like, hey, uh,

2644
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 1: here's here's what I think is weird about what you're

2645
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 1: up to over there. It's just not invited, you know.

2646
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 1: It's just a way different thing like to talk to

2647
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 1: to talk to people you are friends with and admire.

2648
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:48,280
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's just a difference, but it's not.

2649
02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:52,360
Speaker 1: It's not the rhetorical approach I would use if confronted

2650
02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:55,320
Speaker 1: with someone who says, like, hey, man, um, I have

2651
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:58,840
Speaker 1: serious reservations about hunting, and here's what they are. How

2652
02:10:58,920 --> 02:11:00,480
Speaker 1: would you handle some guy in the air a plane? Then,

2653
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:02,200
Speaker 1: so you have to say, I don't know. If I

2654
02:11:02,280 --> 02:11:05,080
Speaker 1: had an hour, we could mock up a conversation, but

2655
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:07,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't handle it with him by like, it's just

2656
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:11,240
Speaker 1: as different. It's just a different conversation. It's not what

2657
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:13,920
Speaker 1: we're doing right now, right. No, But you don't but

2658
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,640
Speaker 1: you don't enjoy the conversation that I would. You do

2659
02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:19,160
Speaker 1: enjoy the conversation, that conversation because that's not small talk.

2660
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't like. Okay, that's all I was trying. I

2661
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:23,760
Speaker 1: don't like the kind of thing like oh. And then

2662
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:25,600
Speaker 1: we moved to got it, got It, got it, and

2663
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, because that's why you're taking out

2664
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:31,840
Speaker 1: You like meaningful, you like meaningful, but you do you

2665
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,120
Speaker 1: do like the conversation. And someone said you're reading the

2666
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:40,320
Speaker 1: hunting magazine, young man. Um, I really just dislike hunting

2667
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,720
Speaker 1: and I'm not unfamiliar with it. I grew up in

2668
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:45,520
Speaker 1: a hunting family, and I came to hate hunting, right,

2669
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,240
Speaker 1: idel Like, let me put away my work. It would

2670
02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:51,400
Speaker 1: love to have a long check. That's all I was wondering,

2671
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:53,640
Speaker 1: got it? Okay? All right, so we're all the same

2672
02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:57,360
Speaker 1: page there, right, Yeah, small talk, that's cool. Right. So

2673
02:11:57,640 --> 02:12:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm telling someone, well, we have three kids. Not my

2674
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:04,840
Speaker 1: cousin had three kids like that. I also don't want

2675
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:10,720
Speaker 1: people to think that I'm like Avida. That's okay, everybody

2676
02:12:10,760 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 1: knows I'm a creep now Avidly again. Yeah, I'm not

2677
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:18,280
Speaker 1: against retention bass fishing either. As long as they're smaller

2678
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:20,840
Speaker 1: than fourteen inches, you should keep all of them you want.

2679
02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:25,880
Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah? And it tastes great. They do taste good.

2680
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 1: I aint I caught my first small mouth bass intentionally today.

2681
02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:34,360
Speaker 1: It was always bycatch. It took a while to get

2682
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,040
Speaker 1: the hook set down, but then you were on them.

2683
02:12:36,160 --> 02:12:38,240
Speaker 1: After that. What what were you fishing to get your

2684
02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:40,280
Speaker 1: catching them accidentally? Like? How are you? I don't know,

2685
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 1: just here and there. I was probably just floating down

2686
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:47,280
Speaker 1: some Michigan river with a spin rod way back in

2687
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:50,480
Speaker 1: the day, just whatever, bites, just chucking, and all of

2688
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:52,760
Speaker 1: a sudden there was a fish and I probably didn't

2689
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:55,800
Speaker 1: even wouldn't even go name it, you know, But no,

2690
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:58,200
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. But yeah, I was

2691
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:00,840
Speaker 1: being too gentle with him. We've been fishing all week

2692
02:13:00,920 --> 02:13:04,840
Speaker 1: with like like, uh, just like subtle takes on the

2693
02:13:05,000 --> 02:13:09,080
Speaker 1: red fish, and um, I don't know, we just besides

2694
02:13:09,160 --> 02:13:11,960
Speaker 1: the selfish and the and the why who, those weren't

2695
02:13:11,960 --> 02:13:15,480
Speaker 1: subtle takes, but the I don't know, everything else is

2696
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:18,400
Speaker 1: a little touchy feeling. And I was, you know, match

2697
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 1: the little dinky rods and the drop shot and a

2698
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:25,040
Speaker 1: little bitty worm. I didn't even fish a soft plastic

2699
02:13:25,120 --> 02:13:27,520
Speaker 1: that small. I've always fished like stuff that's been six

2700
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:30,120
Speaker 1: eight inches long and we're fishing what are those three

2701
02:13:30,160 --> 02:13:35,160
Speaker 1: inch Yeah? But um, yeah I was. I wasn't giving

2702
02:13:35,200 --> 02:13:39,160
Speaker 1: it to him. I really started real and down getting

2703
02:13:40,240 --> 02:13:45,760
Speaker 1: and that was getting it done. Yeah, you know, nothing

2704
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:49,600
Speaker 1: better than punching a eight barbed hook right through the

2705
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:54,880
Speaker 1: face of some baths with eighty pound tests. Sorry, they're

2706
02:13:54,920 --> 02:14:00,040
Speaker 1: just gonna pitch back like I taught you less and

2707
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:06,920
Speaker 1: Mr Fish Redneck Country. That's one of the things we

2708
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:08,360
Speaker 1: didn't get into this, but that this is gonna be

2709
02:14:08,360 --> 02:14:09,920
Speaker 1: my concluding thoughts. That was one of the things I

2710
02:14:09,960 --> 02:14:12,120
Speaker 1: thought was most interesting when you know, Mad and I

2711
02:14:12,240 --> 02:14:15,920
Speaker 1: for a long time and playing on since past bear season,

2712
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 1: we've been playing on bass fishing. This weekend, he's gonna

2713
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 1: bring up his big fancy bass boat and I've been

2714
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,839
Speaker 1: very excited to do my bass fishing. And then we arranged,

2715
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, were you able to come and talk to us.

2716
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:28,680
Speaker 1: And if it's just a funny thing to think about,

2717
02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:36,920
Speaker 1: would be that um fly fishing is oftentimes, in the

2718
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:41,640
Speaker 1: outside eyes oftentimes associated with like a sort of elitism

2719
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:45,680
Speaker 1: and outdoor elitism, and bass fishing is sort of this

2720
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:53,360
Speaker 1: like lowly right, you know what I'm saying, The stereotype, stereotype.

2721
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:55,360
Speaker 1: You could there's people who have a stereotype of like that,

2722
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:58,480
Speaker 1: there's like this elitest quality of of fly fishing like

2723
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:02,120
Speaker 1: this like holier than quality of fly fishing. And there's

2724
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 1: in that same guy right doing what he likes to do,

2725
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:07,280
Speaker 1: could also sit and he sees a bass ball and

2726
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:11,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna have this right redneck he'll build you know

2727
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's funny because like when you

2728
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:19,280
Speaker 1: look at like the if a Martian came, okay, a

2729
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:22,960
Speaker 1: Martian wouldn't pick up on all this Martian would be

2730
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:26,720
Speaker 1: like these there's these people who like to go out

2731
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:30,680
Speaker 1: and catch these fish, and um, that means somehow means

2732
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:32,560
Speaker 1: a great deal to him to catch these fish and

2733
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:35,520
Speaker 1: let him go and and I'd imagine they all get

2734
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:40,080
Speaker 1: along very well. Just the way it's marketed. You guys

2735
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:42,960
Speaker 1: are just marketed so much different. It's differently, it's just

2736
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:45,200
Speaker 1: a different world, No it is. It's just like it's

2737
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:51,040
Speaker 1: just it's peep, it's there. It's fun to go catch fish.

2738
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:55,440
Speaker 1: And there's different ways of doing it. There's different ways

2739
02:15:55,480 --> 02:15:59,000
Speaker 1: of doing it, and they're really um. If you get

2740
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 1: hung up on the differences, it's because you already know

2741
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:05,640
Speaker 1: a lot about it. Yeah, you should probably just looking

2742
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:10,360
Speaker 1: for something to out and outside perspective would be like this,

2743
02:16:10,560 --> 02:16:12,600
Speaker 1: this is gonna be my actual thought. Like you know,

2744
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:16,120
Speaker 1: like in certain countries, Catholics and Protestants fight a lot.

2745
02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:20,880
Speaker 1: They're not fighting the devil worshipers. Like if you go

2746
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:23,560
Speaker 1: like you're like, oh, you know who really gets me mad,

2747
02:16:24,840 --> 02:16:27,320
Speaker 1: It's a Protestant, right, it seems like it would really

2748
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:29,400
Speaker 1: get me mad, would be a devil worshiper because that's

2749
02:16:29,400 --> 02:16:33,080
Speaker 1: like the real opposite of me. Right, You tend to

2750
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of those like a little in like it's people

2751
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:39,480
Speaker 1: have a better tendency to do a sort of in fighting. Ye,

2752
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,080
Speaker 1: but it doesn't do it anyone any good. I mean,

2753
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:44,360
Speaker 1: that's why I get upset when people hate on bake guys,

2754
02:16:44,879 --> 02:16:47,519
Speaker 1: because the people we should be hanging on in some situations,

2755
02:16:47,640 --> 02:16:50,120
Speaker 1: or let's say, the government or or you know, commercial

2756
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:52,240
Speaker 1: nat or whatever trash in the habitats. And if we

2757
02:16:52,280 --> 02:16:54,880
Speaker 1: actually teamed up with if the fly guys would just

2758
02:16:54,879 --> 02:16:57,040
Speaker 1: get over themselves and team up with the bake guys,

2759
02:16:57,080 --> 02:16:58,600
Speaker 1: and the bake guys would get over with themselves and

2760
02:16:58,680 --> 02:17:00,680
Speaker 1: team up with the flag guys, we'd have a much

2761
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:02,840
Speaker 1: bigger community to actually make a difference. You start a

2762
02:17:02,879 --> 02:17:05,240
Speaker 1: thing called the Clean Water and Lots of Fish Alliance

2763
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:10,160
Speaker 1: and all and all these types of fishermen with their

2764
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:14,560
Speaker 1: like idiosyncratic methodologies were joined together and fight for clean

2765
02:17:14,640 --> 02:17:17,200
Speaker 1: water and lots of fish. In fighting is a very

2766
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:24,280
Speaker 1: dangerous thing. H there you go. Alright, Matt, you red

2767
02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:33,640
Speaker 1: neck especially, I love bass fishing. It's super fun. I

2768
02:17:33,680 --> 02:17:35,520
Speaker 1: think you have a lot of fun even in a

2769
02:17:35,560 --> 02:17:39,360
Speaker 1: sparkly boat. Yeah, we're catching fish off from under people's

2770
02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:43,240
Speaker 1: apart being in that boat's half like the fun's special

2771
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:46,360
Speaker 1: out there today amongst the sparkles and stand on those

2772
02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:49,959
Speaker 1: decks leaning against the fancy post watching Matt up. They're

2773
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:52,800
Speaker 1: working the trolling motor and you need to really work it. Man.

2774
02:17:52,879 --> 02:17:55,000
Speaker 1: We were getting worked over by the wakes. I mean

2775
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:57,959
Speaker 1: it was a war zone out there today. It's yeah,

2776
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:00,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of recreation on that lake. Man, lievable.

2777
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:04,200
Speaker 1: Need to come to Australia for us and Australian bass. Yeah,

2778
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:10,160
Speaker 1: they're fantastic, highest density in the United States. The boats. Yeah,

2779
02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:13,040
Speaker 1: we were taking waves and these boats are built to

2780
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:14,840
Speaker 1: take rough water and we were taking waves over the

2781
02:18:14,879 --> 02:18:17,960
Speaker 1: bow today from boat traffic. Yeah. Well we were on

2782
02:18:18,040 --> 02:18:21,800
Speaker 1: the trolling motor, not even under power. It's extreme small

2783
02:18:21,879 --> 02:18:24,120
Speaker 1: mouth bass. Are you are prepared to charter or see

2784
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:26,400
Speaker 1: one thirty to get that bass boat over to Australia.

2785
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:29,480
Speaker 1: I bet we could find something. What if I told

2786
02:18:29,520 --> 02:18:32,280
Speaker 1: you that we may have a bass boat. I'm not kidding.

2787
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. We do a lot

2788
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 1: of bass fishing, yeah, tons of bass fishing. We'll take

2789
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:40,240
Speaker 1: you bass fishing, all right. Is that a native bass? Yeah,

2790
02:18:40,360 --> 02:18:43,240
Speaker 1: Australian bass. Yeah, it's really crazy too. Because they're in

2791
02:18:43,240 --> 02:18:45,280
Speaker 1: the same small rivers as bull sharks, so like you

2792
02:18:45,320 --> 02:18:48,440
Speaker 1: can't get out, and sometimes we catch bull sharks back

2793
02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:50,640
Speaker 1: when we're bass fishing. Are they more like a peacock

2794
02:18:50,720 --> 02:18:52,720
Speaker 1: bass and more like a like are they Are they

2795
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:55,920
Speaker 1: flashy or drab? No? Pretty drab. I think they look

2796
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:58,240
Speaker 1: like a large mouth bass. It's exactly what they look like. Yeah,

2797
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:02,040
Speaker 1: they're incredible. What what's a big one? Look? How big

2798
02:19:02,120 --> 02:19:05,000
Speaker 1: is a big one? What's this in your guys system?

2799
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:15,760
Speaker 1: That's yeah, she's showing like a queen. That's a trophy, trophy, trophy, trophy, trophy.

2800
02:19:15,800 --> 02:19:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying my average probably like this. Yeah, that's pretty average. Okay,

2801
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:25,440
Speaker 1: pretty average. That sounds good. It's good times. I'll take

2802
02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:27,880
Speaker 1: you up on that, all right, let me know, all right,

2803
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:30,120
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Thank you for having us

2804
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:32,880
Speaker 1: on the show. Pulled up a picture. Yeah, he looks

2805
02:19:32,920 --> 02:19:36,440
Speaker 1: like he live right here quite nicely. Yeah. I thought

2806
02:19:36,480 --> 02:19:38,959
Speaker 1: I caught something like just like a rock bass. It's

2807
02:19:38,959 --> 02:19:41,800
Speaker 1: like a giant rock bass. And then we have this

2808
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,680
Speaker 1: thing called murray cod. You ever seen a murray cod?

2809
02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:46,480
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot about those from Australians. Can you

2810
02:19:46,560 --> 02:19:51,080
Speaker 1: punch in murray cod. Yes please. You fish with them

2811
02:19:51,080 --> 02:19:52,840
Speaker 1: the same way as you do with bass, So you

2812
02:19:52,959 --> 02:19:55,080
Speaker 1: get all up with your big pop persons or whatever

2813
02:19:55,160 --> 02:19:57,880
Speaker 1: it is that you're fishing, and you get right in

2814
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,360
Speaker 1: tight and I love those little things. This is those

2815
02:20:00,360 --> 02:20:02,240
Speaker 1: little lures you guys have, But they're like thirty dollars

2816
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:05,959
Speaker 1: of pop. They're crazy. Um, that's yeah. But look at

2817
02:20:05,959 --> 02:20:10,160
Speaker 1: how big these things get some wal Yeah, yeah, days, John,

2818
02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:12,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna duck out and look at we're gonna talk

2819
02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:15,080
Speaker 1: on and look at someone else, someone else. Have a

2820
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:15,440
Speaker 1: good night.