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Speaker 1: Table for two. I could not be more excited to

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Speaker 1: Via Carota, my favorite downtown West Village Italian joint.

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Speaker 2: I'm very anxious. This is exciting.

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Speaker 1: We are having lunch today with a woman whose body

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Speaker 1: of work is absolutely stunning. It's immense, it's diverse, it

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Speaker 1: spans decades. She is an award winning super talent, and

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Speaker 1: she gives back to our city, to our country. She

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Speaker 1: She is next level.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have the eggs. That sounds great.

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Speaker 2: Chappole's I think I think I have. I need a

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Speaker 2: little proces, so like maybe to cut your to pepe.

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Speaker 4: Have some carbs. I'm talking about Bette Midler.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that we're having lunch.

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Speaker 4: With Bette Midler today? So sit back and enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Grab a glass of rose, grab a salad, because today's

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Speaker 1: lunch is really extra special. So thanks for joining again.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bruce Bosi. This is my podcast Table for two.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited we can all have lunch today.

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Speaker 3: Today, Today, we're here a very nice restaurant.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: You love it too, Oh my goodness, I love it.

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Speaker 1: I was having lunch with middle of the waiter Michael.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's like, oh yeah this, yeah, She's like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I come here all the time. The food is

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Speaker 2: What do you like here?

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Speaker 3: I love the Aaroncini I am a real fan of that,

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Speaker 3: and I love all the pastas. But the real star

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Speaker 3: is the lettuce salad, which is sensational.

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Speaker 2: It's next level.

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Speaker 3: It is it really is, it really is.

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Speaker 2: It's next level.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes they give me a Cafe Correto espresso with

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Like when we spoke, you know, first of all, receiving

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Speaker 2: And it was like, we're not going to be doing

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Speaker 1: And I respect that, thank you, But you were in

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Speaker 1: Wow, the talent, the drive. So what was sixty five

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of acting out. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was people sort of making their mark, right,

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Speaker 1: So like when you know when someone's like, oh people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for joining us on table for two.

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Speaker 1: Today we're having lunch with Bette Midler. By the nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 1: bet Star was on the rise. She began the decade

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Speaker 2: It's like when you want to clean a cloud.

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Speaker 3: You know, downsizing, baby, downsizing.

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Speaker 2: It's freedom.

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Speaker 3: It's freedom sort of, yes, but first you have to

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Speaker 1: It's like when you lay all your clothes down and

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Speaker 1: Because someone just put it away. I think it's you're

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Speaker 1: Bett is, of course an acclaimed actress and singer, but

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Speaker 1: she is also a prolific philanthropist. Every Halloween, she throws

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Speaker 1: a star studded benefit called Hulloween to raise money for

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Speaker 1: her New York Restoration project. The ny RP restores and

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Speaker 1: preserves green spaces around New York City. I'm honored to

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Speaker 1: be a part of the event this year, and I'm

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Speaker 1: curious why Halloween, What was the moment because not a

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Speaker 1: lot of people have you have.

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Speaker 3: This anal retentive quality.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, it's the I'm tired of seeing something, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do something about it. Most people just drive on

447
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Speaker 1: the highway and see the garbage bag.

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Speaker 2: I can keep going. What was that moment and the

449
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Speaker 2: journey to get you here?

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Speaker 1: And me being a green god in Halloween, which I'm

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Speaker 1: excited about.

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Speaker 3: I wish it was. I wish it could make it less,

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Speaker 3: make it more fanciful or more elaborate than it is.

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Speaker 3: It was really simply people really are sleepwalking. People do sleepwalk.

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Speaker 3: And I've always prided myself on the fact that I'm alert,

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Speaker 3: I'm awake, I'm awake, and when I see something going

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Speaker 3: on that I don't like, it's not just me, it's

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Speaker 3: everybody around me that's that's being blighted by the blight.

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Speaker 3: So I just I decided I had to do something

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Speaker 3: about it, and I did, and I think it's great.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that I'm really really proud of in

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Speaker 3: my environmental career is the fact that I raised awareness

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Speaker 3: at a time when nobody, very few or very few

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Speaker 3: people were saying this is all we can't do this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and now it's everywhere and everyone is aware of it.

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Speaker 3: But I don't see I see movement. Like last night

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Speaker 3: I saw PBS a story about fisherman's gear that goes

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Speaker 3: missing in the sea. These lobster traps that are now

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Speaker 3: made of steel. They used to be made of wood

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Speaker 3: and plastic ropes that used to be made of sizal

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Speaker 3: that would disintegrate. Now they don't, and they trap wildlife

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Speaker 3: in them. And you see these pictures of these little

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Speaker 3: birds you know who tour trapped in these cages. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's devastating. It's devastating. But I wanted to do

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Speaker 3: something about it. So I set my mind to it.

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Speaker 3: And I had a great partner in those days, a

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Speaker 3: guy named Joe Popello, and he was just he was

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Speaker 3: a little fireball and a little fireplug, wouldn't take no

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Speaker 3: for an answer. Knew everybody in the city, and we

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Speaker 3: started on this journey together and it's still going strong

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Speaker 3: thirty years later.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So how did Halloween become the holiday to have this

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Speaker 1: huge benefit and to raise you know, awareness and money

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Speaker 1: and make the change.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was a couple of things. So it was

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Speaker 3: a couple of things. I once played a witch and

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Speaker 3: this was a very popular character that I played, and

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Speaker 3: it seemed to fit. And I also was encouraged by

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Speaker 3: the board that I got together for this nonprofit to

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Speaker 3: do a to do an event, and I had never

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Speaker 3: done an event. I had never done a party. I'd

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Speaker 3: never I mean, I'm like such a homebody. I don't

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Speaker 3: do anything. I just go home, I read a book,

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Speaker 3: I had some pasta, I watched TV, I go to bed.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people really realize what an introvert and

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Speaker 1: what I think kind of shy person that you are.

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Speaker 1: And I've gotten to know you very casually, and we've

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Speaker 1: been in the same room. But it's the energy and

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Speaker 1: it's so interesting because of the two yes and you

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Speaker 1: were and that you love to read, which I know about.

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Speaker 1: And Brian and I were talking about you last night

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Speaker 1: and he was thinking, you're best. Very She's a huge reader,

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Speaker 1: she's very smart, she's very shocky.

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Speaker 2: She's an introvert. People don't realize it's true.

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Speaker 3: I had I'm an introvert and my big parties are

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Speaker 3: the ones that I throw on the stage. That's the

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Speaker 3: other me. And I love her. I love her, but

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Speaker 3: I couldn't be her off stage. She is an exhausting

510
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Speaker 3: I just can't do this day and night. So I

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Speaker 3: have those outlets where I'm completely out to lunch, and

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Speaker 3: then I have my real life where i'm you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm just like a regular person. And when I say regular,

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Speaker 3: I mean I just do what everybody does. I love

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Speaker 3: to cook, I love to eat, I love to put

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Speaker 3: her around the house. I love to you know, clean

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Speaker 3: out my closet. Blah blah. Everybody says the same thing. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: So I played a witch, and that was a very

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Speaker 3: popular characteris It wasn't popular when it first came out,

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Speaker 3: but it got a cult following, and somehow or other

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Speaker 3: it became a gigantic hit many many years late after

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Speaker 3: its release. So people loved and I said, oh that's good.

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Speaker 3: And I and I wanted to do an event. And

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Speaker 3: I had had all these books on ballroom balls, the

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Speaker 3: artist ball, the drag ball, this ball. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: had no idea that people were such party givers because

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Speaker 3: I never went to any of those. So I put

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Speaker 3: my thinking cap on and I came out out with Halloween.

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Speaker 3: And you know who said huloween? Mick Jones from Foreigner said, oh,

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Speaker 3: you should call it. I wanted him to be the

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Speaker 3: first act. He said, oh, you should call it Hulloween.

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Speaker 3: And I said, I'm gonna that.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that great?

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Speaker 2: It's really great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're not going to give anything

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Speaker 1: up about what you're gonna wear.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. I would never give him anything.

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Speaker 3: What are you gonna war?

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Speaker 2: What is?

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Speaker 3: It's a kind of a fractured fairy tales? Yes, so

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Speaker 3: it's give me an exact fairy tales and dead time

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Speaker 3: stories so you you can think of all the great

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Speaker 3: fairy tales use you know, the great figures in literature

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Speaker 3: with of course, with knives, stabs or bullet holes or

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Speaker 3: you know, bleeding out out of your ears.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I ran and said, Zach posing two nights ago

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Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I have a question for you.

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Speaker 1: He goes, don't ask me to create a halloween. It's

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Speaker 1: like you read in my mind. And I said, Zach,

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Speaker 1: I'm not, I know, maybe like a concept. He's like, concepts.

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Speaker 1: I love, I could do concepts. How he knew that?

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Speaker 1: That's where I was going to go. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: the gumption on me, like who do I think I am?

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Speaker 3: That is hilarious. The fact that he knew what you

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Speaker 3: were going to say before you said crazy.

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Speaker 1: I started to laugh. And I know that Jordan Roff

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Speaker 1: is involved and he's going to be judging him.

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Speaker 2: I know one's going to kill it like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid judge.

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Speaker 2: I mean honest, I'm.

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Speaker 3: If I were an attendee, I would be nervous about

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Speaker 3: Jordan because he really does kill it.

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Speaker 2: He goes all out, all out.

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Speaker 1: I've had such a wonderful time today talking to bet

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Speaker 1: about her many accomplishments and her life in New York City.

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Speaker 1: She has made a lane for herself and found so

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Speaker 1: much success over the years. Before we go, I want

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Speaker 1: to know to someone who seems so fearless, ever get

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Speaker 1: nervous as we sort of wrap up our lunch together

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Speaker 1: and God, this it was really.

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Speaker 3: Such a dull. Oh my gosh, I can sit across

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Speaker 3: from you all for the rest of my life. You're

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Speaker 3: so sweet and so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Was there a moment ever in your performing career that

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Speaker 1: you were scared that you were about to go and

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Speaker 1: do something that you were like, oh wow, I'm really.

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Speaker 2: Scared, like step on the stage. Oh of course you

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Speaker 2: seem so.

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Speaker 3: There are sometimes when you're next level strong. Well you

584
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: know that, someone said to me recently, in fact, you

585
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: over prepare. And I realized that the reason I overprepare

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Speaker 3: is because that gives me confidence. If I'm not prepared.

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Speaker 3: The only the times that I'm most terrified are when

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Speaker 3: I'm not prepared. When I don't, I'm not really sure

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Speaker 3: about what I'm going to say, or what I'm going

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Speaker 3: to do, or what I'm going to sing. But if

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Speaker 3: I'm if I'm rehearsed, if i'm if I'm up for it.

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Speaker 3: You know, if I'm ready, then I'm i zum. It's

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Speaker 3: like a rocket going off. So that's fantastic. But I do,

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Speaker 3: I do, I do get terrified. I don't have that

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Speaker 3: kind of crippling stage fright that has dogged a couple

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Speaker 3: of friends, some friends of mine. But I yet. But

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Speaker 3: I think that might be a function of agent. Might

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Speaker 3: be around the corner. Who knows. But anything can happen

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: one day at a time, one foot in front of

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Speaker 3: the time, starts with one step. I know all the mantras. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: this has been so great. I'm so I have to say,

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Speaker 3: I just have to give a plug for my organization.

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Speaker 3: We are n y r P and Bruce Boxy is

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Speaker 3: our Green God this year, and Clive Davis is one

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Speaker 3: of our honorees, and Christina Blakeslee is our other. We

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Speaker 3: have some honorees and we have Chloe she's going to

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Speaker 3: be singing yes, And Dion Warwick is going to sing.

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Speaker 3: Clive Davis is our one of our honorees and she

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Speaker 3: is going to sing two songs.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And she's divine and he's divine.

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Speaker 1: And everybody everybody's designed divine design and.

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Speaker 4: You have design, everyone's designed Miles Frost.

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Speaker 3: I do have Miles Frost. Yes, that's very proud of

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Speaker 3: super Yes, he is.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a super fun I think.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a great night. I will probably

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Speaker 3: I may come as Rapunzel, but I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: may come as Lady Godiva. Oh and that's something you

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Speaker 3: really want to see.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is.

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Speaker 3: It will come as Eve.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: There's some of them have been so much fun. You know,

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Speaker 3: Michael Gores and Lancephere were are costume judges. They're not

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Speaker 3: here this year, so Jordan Roth is taking over. And

627
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: they went used to go all out. They did. They

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Speaker 3: went all out, and we have had some of the

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Speaker 3: most hilarious and fantastic entertainers. We had Stevie Wonder, we

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Speaker 3: had Elton John, we had Stevie Nicks, we had Sheryl Crow.

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Speaker 3: I mean huge, huge, choog choog chooge. All people who

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Speaker 3: really want to make you know, want to give us

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Speaker 3: a hand, give the environment a hand. So it's been great.

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Speaker 1: I think people as we wrap, what you're doing is

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Speaker 1: again building and maintaining community parks gardens like thousands of them.

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Speaker 1: You know you're doing something so incredible. But if I

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Speaker 1: can end on one note, that is your body of work,

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00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: your immense talent, the joy and what you've given to

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Speaker 1: the world, you know, in our lifetime.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And it could bring me to tears because I've sat

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Speaker 1: in dark movie theaters, I've sat in state and I've

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Speaker 1: been the recipient of your passion, and thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you for joining me today.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful and I'll.

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Speaker 2: See you on October twenty seventh. October twenty seven, Thanks.

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Speaker 4: Everyone for pulling up a chair.

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Speaker 1: Table for Two with Bruce Bosie is produced by iHeart

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Speaker 1: Radio seven three seven Park and Air Rail. Our executive

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00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: producers are Bruce Bosi and Nathan King. Table for two

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Speaker 1: is researched and written by Bridget arsenalt Our sound engineers

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Speaker 1: are Paul Bowman and Alyssa Midcalf. Table for two's LA

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Speaker 1: production team is Danielle Romo and Lorraine Verrez.

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Speaker 2: Our music supervisor is Randall poster.

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Speaker 4: Our talent booking is by James Sarkin.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Amy Sugarman, Uni Cher, Kevin Yuvane, Bobby Bauer,

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Speaker 1: Alison Kantor Graber, Jody Williams, Rita Sodi, and the team

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