WEBVTT - A How to Citizen Huddle (Coach Steve Kerr & Friends) 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:06.320 Connection between people is really a powerful force, whether it's 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.520 a force for winning basketball games or a force for 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:18.439 changing society. Welcome to How to Citizen with Baritune Day, 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.919 a podcast that reimagine citizen as a verb, not a 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.400 legal status. This season is all about how we practice democracy, 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.800 what can we get rid of, what can we invent, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.560 and how do we change the culture of democracy itself. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.680 We're leaving the theoretical clouds and hitting the ground with 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.720 inspiring examples of people and institutions that are showing us 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:48.640 new ways to govern ourselves. You know, since high school, 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.440 athletics have not been a driving force in my life, 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.880 not nearly as much as technology or politics. But as 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.920 a child, your boy was pretty into sports. We're talking 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:03.920 youth soccer, single season experiments in cross country, ouched and last, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.839 swimming even shorter, and wrestling well that's a funny story 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.880 for another day. But I spent years on the track 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.199 and field team, very consistent. Shout out to coach Gold. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.119 Once I was out of school, though, I drifted from 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.360 playing or even watching sports outside of championship games and 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.560 major events like the World Cup. I told myself I 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.200 was too busy for it and that it wasn't super 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.880 important to me. Instead, I'd obsess over to YouTube videos 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.959 comparing the latest electric vehicles or home studio setups, and 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.679 I'd click between the Washington Posts and the New York 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.000 Times and a thousand tweets in an attempt to read 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.400 all the articles on all the politics. But I've missed 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:50.480 being part of a team, the camaraderie, shared victory, shared losses, 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:55.640 fans doing the wave in the stands poorly. More than 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.000 the physicality of sports, I miss and respect its power 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.320 to help us consist instantly show up for something, to 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.240 build with others through relationships, and to use power for 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:11.920 a collective self interest victory playing as a team. I 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.480 missed that sports can provide a literal arena for us 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.919 to practice. How to Citizen, Yeah, I'm talking about practice. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:24.079 I mean, listen, we're talking about practice now. The conversation 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.160 you're about to hear happen because of a collaboration between 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.399 this podcast How to Citizen and some folks in the NCAA, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.040 the National Collegiate Athletics Association, who saw that connection between 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:45.560 athletics and citizening. College basketball coach Eric Revenue was fired 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.840 up after police killed George Floyd in twenty twenty, and 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.960 he wanted to do more to empower his players, so 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.120 we helped to lead an effort that became known as 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.120 the All Vote, No Play Pledge, where athletics take Election 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.040 Day off from practice or games so players can vote 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.400 and volunteer. Coach Rev later teamed up with designer and 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.480 educator Lisa K. Solomon of the Stanford d School, who 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.200 was also designing better ways to get young people engaged 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.080 in voting and civics more broadly, and we at How 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.679 the Citizen joined these two in their efforts to train 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:21.400 athletes to become active citizens. Our executive producer and my wife, Elizabeth, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.280 led the collaboration on behalf of How the Citizen, and 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.120 we've developed a pilot program and curriculum with NC double 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.919 A coaches to translate their athletic coaching into citizen coaching. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.960 So what does that backstory have to do with Golden 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.880 State Warriors coach Steve Kerr being in this episode title, Well, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.560 Coach Rev and Lisa Kay brought a group together let's 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.040 call him a team to discuss why teaching civic culture 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:52.160 and citizening is vital for student athlete programs. The discussion 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.800 was hosted by D one Ticker, creators of the most 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.320 popular newsletter for college sports administrators, and they asked me 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.520 to model rated after what I heard. I know I 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.880 had to run tell you, and instead of telling you 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.680 about it, I figured I just let you hear it directly, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.440 So you're gonna hear from three people BLUs me. Doctor 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.480 Kensea Gunter is a clinical and sports psychologist and mental 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.640 health expert who works with student and professional athletes. Jamie 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.000 Zaninovich is the Deputy Commissioner and COO of the PAC 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:26.040 twelve Conference, the Western US conference representing over twenty sports 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.599 at the collegiate D one level. And Steve Kerr is 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:44.920 Steve Kerr. Kerk shot from and that's my story in 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.599 and I'm sticking to it. I mean, head coach of 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:54.040 the NBA championship winning Golden State Warriors. He's won nine titles, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.440 five as a player and four coaching the Warriors. As important, though, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.680 is how he's used his platform repeatedly to stand up 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:07.359 for a future free of avoidable, nonsensical and deadly gun violence. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.279 You've probably heard him going off in his press conferences. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.720 I'm tired, I'm so tired of getting up here and 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:20.599 offering condolences too, to the devastated families that are out there. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.599 I'm so tired of the excuse me, I'm sorry. I'm 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:30.080 tired of the moments of silence. Enough. There's fifty Senators 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.640 right now who refused to vote on HR eight, which 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.120 is a background check rule that the House passed a 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.320 couple of years ago. It's been sitting there for two years, 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.159 and there's a reason they won't vote on it to 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.599 hold on to power. Coach Kerr and I both lost 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.560 our fathers to gun violence, so his way of showing 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.520 up made it more personal, more emotional, more meaningful for 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.440 me to take part in the conversation too. So Doctor Kinson, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.760 Gunter Jamie Zaninovich, and Coach Kerr on the trinsic connection 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:07.200 between sports and citizening after this break, what's up? I 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.479 am honored to be in this Brady bunch box. This 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.760 is like the opening of a wonderful joke. A sports psychologist, 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.400 a league commissioner, and a professional head coach walk into 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.799 a zoom room to have a conversation about athletics, civics, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.760 and how to make teammates well beyond the field, the pool, 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.840 the arena, but in our society at large, building America's 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.479 teammates this idea of the principles of our podcast, that 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.039 we show up and participate, invest in relationships with ourselves 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.919 others in the planet, understand our power and how to 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.000 flex it, and doing that for our collective self interest, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:50.040 not just our individual self interest. That is prealigned with 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.120 the best of athletics, the best of coaching. Was itian 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.240 just about physical performance, it's about team performance, it's about 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.839 collective benefit. It's about strength not just through force. So 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.880 thank the three of you for making this time to 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.440 be here today, and I want to start with each 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.520 of you one of the time understanding why you're here. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.480 What do you see as the alignment between athletics and civics, 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.480 and what has brought to you to this conversation today. 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.800 Doctor KENSA Gunter, let's go, well, thank you so much, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.400 Barren to today. It's a pleasure to be a part 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.400 of this conversation. And I'll just jump right in to 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.560 answer your question by trade. I am a clinical and 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.000 sports psychologist, and when you ask that question about what 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.560 is the intersection between civics and why is it important 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.080 to athletics, I think because at the root of who 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.400 is participating in both Our humans are people, right, and 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.240 so thinking about how we can engage and create environments 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.680 where there's a sense of belonging to use your word, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.280 where there's the focus on the collective, I think that's 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.960 really important for us to think about. In sport historically 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.360 has been used as a platform by many to advocate 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.880 for issues around justice and injustice and equity, and I 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.680 think it's one of those rare places in society where 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.880 we see the value of team, we see the ben 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.320 a fit of coming together, and if we can take 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.360 the lessons that we learn in athletics and apply them 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.320 to the world at large, I think that really can 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.800 create again one of those environments where, like you said, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.360 we're all teammates for one another. And so I think 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.560 really looking at the way in which the people who 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.240 participate in athletics and sports can teach us lessons about 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.720 how to participate and how to citizen is really a 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.640 huge place where that comes together and there's benefits to 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.640 our mental, emotional, and collective wellness when we think about 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.040 how we do this thing together again, whether it's civics 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.679 or whether it's sports, it's how we do life together, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.920 and that I think is the bridge that connects the two. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.880 How we do life together. That's a bumper sticker. That's 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.680 a call to action right there. Thank you so much, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.679 doctor A Deputy Commissioner Jamie Zaninovich, can you answer the 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.320 same question, why are you here and what are you 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.400 seeing as a connection between athletics and civics? Yeah? Well, 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.680 first of all, thanks for having me. It's humbled to 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.800 be a part of this group for sure, and inspired 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.920 by your words and doctor Gunter's words. Listen, I think 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.720 there's two things for me. I've worked in college athletics 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.360 my whole life. I now work at the Pac twelve. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.640 The reason I work in college athletics is because it 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.960 is about this co curricular activity, right, It's really about 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.480 what young people who come to us when they're eighteen 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.280 years old and spend four or five, sometimes six years 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.679 with us, how they can develop emotionally, socially, in other words, otherwise, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.520 not just through the classroom, but in the fields of play, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.280 in the swimming pool, on the track. The lessons that 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:31.439 they can learn being part of these teams, achieving, failing, struggling, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.240 learning how to activate their voice, their passion and be 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.520 a teammate and be a citizen. I think it's incredibly powerful, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.760 and as a result, you create these dynamics within these teams. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.079 With the profile and the popularity now of college athletics, 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.600 where these student athletes now have incredible platforms and they 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.199 in the PAC twelve we encourage them to activate those platforms. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.280 And we've seen that sort of across many sports and 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.680 our seven thousand athletes for years. You Know. The other 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.440 thing I would say is I'm very to be part 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.880 of the PAC twelve. We have a long tradition of 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.440 having game changers, right. You go back to Arthur Ashe, 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.479 you go back to Jackie Robinson. We have had athletes 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.480 in our conference that have been brave and forward thinking 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.920 and have had the courage to help change society through 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.560 their sport. And that's something that I think is incredibly powerful. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.280 I think you've seen sport change society in so many 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.040 ways over time, and we should not lose that now 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.840 more than ever, with the hope that we need to 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.600 give the next generation, we all have a responsibility to 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.200 leverage what we do in my case and Steve's case 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.000 and others in sport to help change society or what 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.439 is our impact, What is our real legacy? Yeah, that 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.560 sport goes so much farther than just sport. We're having 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.680 this conversation about Serena Williams right now collectively, and that's 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.520 not just about tennis, right, It's about representation, power of health, equity, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.240 so many different things connected to that tennis court. But 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.959 well beyond coach Steve Kerr in the house, man, I've 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.360 been trying to stay calm this whole time. I'm gonna 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.880 be very professional. Yeah, we got to doctor the commissioner. Man. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:06.319 Come on now, hello, welcome, Thanks for having me, thank 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.840 you for being had with us here. And the same 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.840 question to you, what brings you here and what do 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.280 you see as the connection between athletics and cities? Well, 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.640 I may have another bumper stick sticker for you. You know, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.719 I played for a couple of amazing coaches. Actually I 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.000 played for like five amazing coaches, but two of them 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.760 stand out in particular in terms of their ability to 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:33.640 connect life and basketball. And Phil Jackson used to have 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.960 a great saying he would tell us in Chicago. He said, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.679 life is a metaphor for basketball, and basketball as a 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.319 metaphor for life. And I really connected to that, because 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.160 it's amazing how true that is. You know, when you're 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.120 on a really good team and you feel that sense 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:55.360 of community and you feel that connection, the team's better. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.560 And when you translate that to life and you witness 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.600 something really beautiful, whether it's a classroom of students who 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.560 are really interactive and learning and from each other and 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.760 teaching each other and enjoying each other's company, or maybe 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:15.079 a thriving business or a panel of people talking and 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:19.480 really connecting, you can feel that a connection between people 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.240 is really a powerful force. Whether it's a force for 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:28.120 winning basketball games or a force for changing society, it's 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:32.920 that connection, that teamwork that ultimately creates what you're looking for. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.080 So I think Phil was right. You know, basketball really 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.679 is a metaphor for life and for anybody who out 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.520 there who is actually coaching. One of the lessons that 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:47.200 I've really learned is that engaging your athletes in things 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.080 like civic responsibility is not just important in terms of 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.559 making the world a better place, but it's a pretty 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.920 powerful tool to make the team better too. Civics can 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.880 mean a lot of things, and one of pet peeves 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.360 is that it sometimes is whittled down solely to voting. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.320 Voting is critical and essential, and so that's a part 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.800 of the puzzle. It also includes many other things, and 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.760 so inclusive of voting for anyone. And feel free to 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.160 cross talk with each other as you hear something that 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.559 may resonate from someone else. What have you seen in 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.640 your worlds of athletics, whether it's students who are your patients, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.920 they're in your leagues, they're adults on your team right 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.280 now or in their journey to get to you to 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.640 where you are right now. What type of civic engagement, 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.200 what type of citizening are you seeing that it's deeply 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.360 connected to the world of athletics. Anybody can jump in first. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.280 I mean, I guess I'll start. I'll go back to 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.040 twenty twenty in our conference, and what a dynamic time 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.800 after George Floyd headed to a pandemic. And one of 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.200 the things I think that was pretty incredible and dynamic 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.000 that we saw in the PAC twelve was just how 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.240 these young people, these eighteen to twenty one year olds 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.600 that are so incredible on the courts and also sort 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.640 of leadership roles, were inspiring We adults, right, it's really 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.240 not their job, but they were really grabbing their head coaches, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.400 grabbing their assistant coaches and saying, hey, there's a march 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.760 in Boulder tonight. Hey there's a march in Berkeley tonight. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.040 We're going get the team together. Let's wear our stuff. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.520 To Steve's point, this is going to be a team 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.920 bonding exercise because it's going to be something that we 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.080 can do together that's going to have an impact on 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.240 something much bigger than all of us. It was incredibly 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.320 emotional because it really was sort of going back to 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.320 some of the real impactful sort of civil rights history 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.880 in this country where the young people were taking it 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.200 upon themselves, which again they shouldn't have to do, but 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.320 they were so inspired by their energy, and you know, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:45.680 these athletes have this unique ability to, like Steve said, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.960 bring people together and to lead as a collective in 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.760 a way that was really really powerful. So that's just 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.640 one thing that I remember from a couple of years ago, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.480 and that's continued. I think we're pretty proud of our 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.480 programs in the Pact twelve that that activity is not 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.640 alt thanks to people like Coach Revenue and others. Naturally, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.640 they've reminded everyone how to citizen that this should be 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.200 core to team building exercises and otherwise. So for me, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.840 that was one thing that really kind of inspired me, honestly, Yeah, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.320 I think so. I was trying to think through kind 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.480 of how I've seen a position, how I've seen this 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.280 civics and this activism, if you will, outside of voting, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.320 And what comes to mind for me is the power 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.920 of sharing your story as a way of humanizing people. Right. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.560 And we talk about understanding our power and understanding the 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.880 systems that we're in, but I also think a huge 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.920 piece of civics is trying to understand the people that 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.640 we're living alongside, right, and viewing them not just in 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.240 the context of what they do or what platform they 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.600 may hold. I really feel like trying to see them 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.320 as the people that they are, whether it's humanizing, this 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.160 conversation about civics humanizing the conversation about voting. Voting is 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.360 not just about going to the poll, but those votes 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.440 that you cast have very real implications for the lived 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.440 experience of people beyond that moment. And so as I 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.960 think about athletes who have worn certain phrases on the 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.920 back of their jerseys, if I think about the single 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.680 site experience and the bubble experience. If I think about 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.480 Black Lives Matter being written on the court for the 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.080 w NBA seasons, If I think about the ways in 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:20.359 which based in Atlanta, the Atlanta Dream were really instrumental 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.800 in one of our Congress votes here a few years ago, 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.880 right thinking about Reverend one up, And if I think 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.880 about the way in which people have activated in that 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.160 way but also demon strated activism by sharing more of 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.440 their story so that you get to know more of 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.120 who they are. And for me, again, the mental health 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.400 story has been one that's been really powerful. So I think, yes, 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.680 action around issues that are important, but also sharing more 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.440 of our story, humanizing us as people understanding the collective, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.720 but also understanding the people that make up that collective. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.840 I think that to me feels like a huge element 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:57.760 of the civics conversation. That's a really powerful reminded doctor 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.280 the humanity piece. I think you know, as much as 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.360 I can pick at this idea that it's more than 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.880 just voting. I also appreciate you reminding us it doesn't 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.800 always have to be kind of in the street activism either. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.440 And I know a lot of us feel pressure when 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.160 we hear like participating your civic community and get involved. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.520 It's like do I have to go on a march, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.560 am I getting petition signed? And it can also be 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.440 from the mental health perspective. I'm thinking of some own 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.520 biles and the kind of leadership that it takes as 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.280 a high performance person to say I'm not down to 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:35.600 perform right now. And here's some of why health exactly 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.040 exactly and so not just performance right remind you there's 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.119 a person in there that we need to privilege and 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.639 value and honor honor in the person there. Coach Kur, 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.239 do you have anything to add in terms of some 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.760 things you've seen as how people are showing up more 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.560 actively in their civic lives. Yeah, I'm really struck by 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.360 what doctor Gunter talked about in terms of just being 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:03.000 human and being present. For so many athletes that they're 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.280 in the limelight, and you know, they want to make 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.359 sure they're using their name, using their words for a 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.359 good cause, but sometimes it's just being there listening. And 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.920 I had a really amazing experience with Steph and Clay 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.800 about quick Explainer Tune day for anyone who's not a 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:26.399 basketball nerd. Steph Curry and Clay Thompson are NBA players. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.879 They played for Coach Curse team the Golden State Warriors, 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.320 and they're really really good at basketball and apparently citizening 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.800 amazing experience with Steph and Clay about three years ago. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.440 It was just before the pandemic. And I do some 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.040 work with gun violence prevention and I have a good 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.520 friend in Oakland and Mike McBride, he's a pastor who 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.240 does amazing work, and I invited Steph and Clay to 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.000 come with me to one of the meetings that Pastor 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.480 McBride has every month in Oakland. And it was part 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:10.200 of this gun violence prevention program where everybody involved in 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:15.720 that community in Oakland, whether it's police, social workers, the mayor, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:21.640 mayor Livy schaff was their pastors, gang members, everybody gathered 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:27.960 for this roundtable discussion that actually helped to limit gun 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:33.080 violence in Oakland. Really powerful program. Steph and Clay just came. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.600 It didn't take part. They just observed and to watch 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:42.320 all of the people in that room see the look 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.440 on their face and for them to know that man 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.040 Steph and Clay her warriors, like these guys care, they 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.119 care about us. It was really powerful. There were no 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.080 cameras there. Nobody ever knew Steph and Clay were there, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.399 So this wasn't about you know, some headline or like 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.880 showing who they was, just humanity and just being there 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.479 for people in the community who are either victims of 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.359 gun violence or people trying to limit gun violence. And 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.040 it was it was a really great reminder to me 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.879 of what doctor Gunter just mentioned. Just the humanity piece, 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.399 just connecting with your fellow human being, now powerful that 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:24.200 can be, especially for people who have that type of 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.760 power that you know Steph and Clay do, I mean 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.880 people in the limelight. They can really impact people just 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.560 by being there. But really we all can, you know, 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.080 just showing humanity to each other is just so so 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.960 crucial to anything that we're talking about. The willingness to 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.639 kind of learn in public and use the power of 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.199 your presence on behalf of someone, those combined are are 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.320 really powerful. I think. I know, I feel a lot 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.720 of pressure in the current moments, whether it's climate related, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:21:00.760 race related politics, electoral politics, related LGBTQ issues, there's a 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.840 list that we often feel pressure to have a statement ready, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.240 you know, what is your stance on how do you 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.280 feel about this position? And it's okay not to know, 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.760 you know, and to learn having the answers isn't the 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.680 point being curious? I think is a really essential value, 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:25.119 greater than having knowledge itself. After the break the risks 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:30.480 and rewards of speaking up, I'm curious about any of 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.320 the hard parts. And that can be interpreted in a 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.000 number of ways. What occurs to me is you've got 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.399 some public and outside pressure from the shut up and 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:43.359 dribble wing, right, why are you meddling and muddying and 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.479 these matters? Just perform? Do your thing. There's also the 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.560 challenge of fatigue and even backlash to a level of 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:56.080 activism and statement making by folks involved in athletics, and 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.320 the twenty twenty moment has passed in certain ways where 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:00.760 a lot of these companies needs are pulling back and 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.359 people are kind of retrenching. So maybe there's a fatigue challenge, 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.199 or maybe there's some other challenge in this work that 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.960 you've identified that what do you think people need to 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.520 know about what might be hard as you continue to 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:16.320 weave the athletics and active citizenship world together, A doctor gunt, 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.080 could you start us off with anything you might have 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:23.720 experienced or witness. It takes work, and it takes intentional effort, right, Like, 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.040 I think that's one of the things that sometimes is 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.560 hard because in the midst of all the other responsibilities 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.320 that we are trying to adhere to, in the midst 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.879 of trying to learn offenses and defenses and due strength 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.960 and win games and build team in our sport, in 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.160 addition to also living our personal lives. As we talk 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:45.360 about this how to be a citizen, it takes deliberate 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:49.400 effort and work to dedicate yourself to having a level 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.040 of humility that allows you to recognize there are multiple 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.199 truths that coexist in the world that we live in, 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:58.720 and trying to understand somebody else's experience takes intention, right, 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.960 Trying to educate your yourself about issues that you may 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.719 not be familiar with takes intention, That takes effort, and 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:09.399 so it's not just going to happen, right, But I 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.679 think that is a part of the hardness. In the 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.439 moments where we may feel more disconnected than we've ever felt, 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.200 In the moments where we may heal burned out, where 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.680 we may heal exhausted, it's important for us to take 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.520 care of ourselves. Let me be clear, right, we absolutely 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.040