1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Connection between people is really a powerful force, whether it's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: a force for winning basketball games or a force for 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: changing society. Welcome to How to Citizen with Baritune Day, 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: a podcast that reimagine citizen as a verb, not a 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: legal status. This season is all about how we practice democracy, 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: what can we get rid of, what can we invent, 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: and how do we change the culture of democracy itself. 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: We're leaving the theoretical clouds and hitting the ground with 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: inspiring examples of people and institutions that are showing us 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: new ways to govern ourselves. You know, since high school, 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: athletics have not been a driving force in my life, 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: not nearly as much as technology or politics. But as 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: a child, your boy was pretty into sports. We're talking 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: youth soccer, single season experiments in cross country, ouched and last, 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: swimming even shorter, and wrestling well that's a funny story 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: for another day. But I spent years on the track 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 1: and field team, very consistent. Shout out to coach Gold. 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: Once I was out of school, though, I drifted from 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: playing or even watching sports outside of championship games and 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: major events like the World Cup. I told myself I 21 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: was too busy for it and that it wasn't super 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: important to me. Instead, I'd obsess over to YouTube videos 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: comparing the latest electric vehicles or home studio setups, and 24 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: I'd click between the Washington Posts and the New York 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: Times and a thousand tweets in an attempt to read 26 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: all the articles on all the politics. But I've missed 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: being part of a team, the camaraderie, shared victory, shared losses, 28 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: fans doing the wave in the stands poorly. More than 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: the physicality of sports, I miss and respect its power 30 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: to help us consist instantly show up for something, to 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: build with others through relationships, and to use power for 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: a collective self interest victory playing as a team. I 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: missed that sports can provide a literal arena for us 34 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: to practice. How to Citizen, Yeah, I'm talking about practice. 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we're talking about practice now. The conversation 36 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: you're about to hear happen because of a collaboration between 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: this podcast How to Citizen and some folks in the NCAA, 38 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the National Collegiate Athletics Association, who saw that connection between 39 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: athletics and citizening. College basketball coach Eric Revenue was fired 40 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: up after police killed George Floyd in twenty twenty, and 41 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: he wanted to do more to empower his players, so 42 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: we helped to lead an effort that became known as 43 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: the All Vote, No Play Pledge, where athletics take Election 44 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: Day off from practice or games so players can vote 45 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: and volunteer. Coach Rev later teamed up with designer and 46 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: educator Lisa K. Solomon of the Stanford d School, who 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: was also designing better ways to get young people engaged 48 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: in voting and civics more broadly, and we at How 49 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: the Citizen joined these two in their efforts to train 50 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: athletes to become active citizens. Our executive producer and my wife, Elizabeth, 51 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: led the collaboration on behalf of How the Citizen, and 52 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: we've developed a pilot program and curriculum with NC double 53 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: A coaches to translate their athletic coaching into citizen coaching. 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: So what does that backstory have to do with Golden 55 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: State Warriors coach Steve Kerr being in this episode title, Well, 56 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: Coach Rev and Lisa Kay brought a group together let's 57 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: call him a team to discuss why teaching civic culture 58 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: and citizening is vital for student athlete programs. The discussion 59 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: was hosted by D one Ticker, creators of the most 60 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: popular newsletter for college sports administrators, and they asked me 61 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: to model rated after what I heard. I know I 62 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: had to run tell you, and instead of telling you 63 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: about it, I figured I just let you hear it directly, 64 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: So you're gonna hear from three people BLUs me. Doctor 65 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: Kensea Gunter is a clinical and sports psychologist and mental 66 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: health expert who works with student and professional athletes. Jamie 67 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: Zaninovich is the Deputy Commissioner and COO of the PAC 68 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: twelve Conference, the Western US conference representing over twenty sports 69 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: at the collegiate D one level. And Steve Kerr is 70 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: Steve Kerr. Kerk shot from and that's my story in 71 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: and I'm sticking to it. I mean, head coach of 72 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: the NBA championship winning Golden State Warriors. He's won nine titles, 73 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: five as a player and four coaching the Warriors. As important, though, 74 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: is how he's used his platform repeatedly to stand up 75 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: for a future free of avoidable, nonsensical and deadly gun violence. 76 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: You've probably heard him going off in his press conferences. 77 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm tired, I'm so tired of getting up here and 78 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: offering condolences too, to the devastated families that are out there. 79 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: I'm so tired of the excuse me, I'm sorry. I'm 80 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: tired of the moments of silence. Enough. There's fifty Senators 81 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: right now who refused to vote on HR eight, which 82 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: is a background check rule that the House passed a 83 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. It's been sitting there for two years, 84 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: and there's a reason they won't vote on it to 85 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: hold on to power. Coach Kerr and I both lost 86 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: our fathers to gun violence, so his way of showing 87 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: up made it more personal, more emotional, more meaningful for 88 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: me to take part in the conversation too. So Doctor Kinson, 89 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: Gunter Jamie Zaninovich, and Coach Kerr on the trinsic connection 90 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: between sports and citizening after this break, what's up? I 91 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: am honored to be in this Brady bunch box. This 92 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: is like the opening of a wonderful joke. A sports psychologist, 93 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: a league commissioner, and a professional head coach walk into 94 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: a zoom room to have a conversation about athletics, civics, 95 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: and how to make teammates well beyond the field, the pool, 96 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: the arena, but in our society at large, building America's 97 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: teammates this idea of the principles of our podcast, that 98 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: we show up and participate, invest in relationships with ourselves 99 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: others in the planet, understand our power and how to 100 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: flex it, and doing that for our collective self interest, 101 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: not just our individual self interest. That is prealigned with 102 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: the best of athletics, the best of coaching. Was itian 103 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: just about physical performance, it's about team performance, it's about 104 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: collective benefit. It's about strength not just through force. So 105 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: thank the three of you for making this time to 106 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: be here today, and I want to start with each 107 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: of you one of the time understanding why you're here. 108 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: What do you see as the alignment between athletics and civics, 109 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: and what has brought to you to this conversation today. 110 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: Doctor KENSA Gunter, let's go, well, thank you so much, 111 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: Barren to today. It's a pleasure to be a part 112 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: of this conversation. And I'll just jump right in to 113 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: answer your question by trade. I am a clinical and 114 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: sports psychologist, and when you ask that question about what 115 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: is the intersection between civics and why is it important 116 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: to athletics, I think because at the root of who 117 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: is participating in both Our humans are people, right, and 118 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: so thinking about how we can engage and create environments 119 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: where there's a sense of belonging to use your word, 120 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: where there's the focus on the collective, I think that's 121 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: really important for us to think about. In sport historically 122 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: has been used as a platform by many to advocate 123 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: for issues around justice and injustice and equity, and I 124 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: think it's one of those rare places in society where 125 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: we see the value of team, we see the ben 126 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: a fit of coming together, and if we can take 127 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: the lessons that we learn in athletics and apply them 128 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: to the world at large, I think that really can 129 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: create again one of those environments where, like you said, 130 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: we're all teammates for one another. And so I think 131 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: really looking at the way in which the people who 132 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: participate in athletics and sports can teach us lessons about 133 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: how to participate and how to citizen is really a 134 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: huge place where that comes together and there's benefits to 135 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: our mental, emotional, and collective wellness when we think about 136 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: how we do this thing together again, whether it's civics 137 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: or whether it's sports, it's how we do life together, 138 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: and that I think is the bridge that connects the two. 139 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: How we do life together. That's a bumper sticker. That's 140 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: a call to action right there. Thank you so much, 141 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: doctor A Deputy Commissioner Jamie Zaninovich, can you answer the 142 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: same question, why are you here and what are you 143 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: seeing as a connection between athletics and civics? Yeah? Well, 144 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: first of all, thanks for having me. It's humbled to 145 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: be a part of this group for sure, and inspired 146 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: by your words and doctor Gunter's words. Listen, I think 147 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: there's two things for me. I've worked in college athletics 148 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: my whole life. I now work at the Pac twelve. 149 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: The reason I work in college athletics is because it 150 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: is about this co curricular activity, right, It's really about 151 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: what young people who come to us when they're eighteen 152 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: years old and spend four or five, sometimes six years 153 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: with us, how they can develop emotionally, socially, in other words, otherwise, 154 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: not just through the classroom, but in the fields of play, 155 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: in the swimming pool, on the track. The lessons that 156 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 1: they can learn being part of these teams, achieving, failing, struggling, 157 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: learning how to activate their voice, their passion and be 158 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: a teammate and be a citizen. I think it's incredibly powerful, 159 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: and as a result, you create these dynamics within these teams. 160 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: With the profile and the popularity now of college athletics, 161 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: where these student athletes now have incredible platforms and they 162 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve we encourage them to activate those platforms. 163 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: And we've seen that sort of across many sports and 164 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: our seven thousand athletes for years. You Know. The other 165 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: thing I would say is I'm very to be part 166 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: of the PAC twelve. We have a long tradition of 167 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: having game changers, right. You go back to Arthur Ashe, 168 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,479 Speaker 1: you go back to Jackie Robinson. We have had athletes 169 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: in our conference that have been brave and forward thinking 170 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: and have had the courage to help change society through 171 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: their sport. And that's something that I think is incredibly powerful. 172 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: I think you've seen sport change society in so many 173 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: ways over time, and we should not lose that now 174 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: more than ever, with the hope that we need to 175 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: give the next generation, we all have a responsibility to 176 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: leverage what we do in my case and Steve's case 177 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: and others in sport to help change society or what 178 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: is our impact, What is our real legacy? Yeah, that 179 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: sport goes so much farther than just sport. We're having 180 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: this conversation about Serena Williams right now collectively, and that's 181 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: not just about tennis, right, It's about representation, power of health, equity, 182 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: so many different things connected to that tennis court. But 183 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: well beyond coach Steve Kerr in the house, man, I've 184 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: been trying to stay calm this whole time. I'm gonna 185 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: be very professional. Yeah, we got to doctor the commissioner. Man. 186 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: Come on now, hello, welcome, Thanks for having me, thank 187 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: you for being had with us here. And the same 188 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: question to you, what brings you here and what do 189 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: you see as the connection between athletics and cities? Well, 190 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: I may have another bumper stick sticker for you. You know, 191 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: I played for a couple of amazing coaches. Actually I 192 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: played for like five amazing coaches, but two of them 193 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: stand out in particular in terms of their ability to 194 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: connect life and basketball. And Phil Jackson used to have 195 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: a great saying he would tell us in Chicago. He said, 196 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: life is a metaphor for basketball, and basketball as a 197 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: metaphor for life. And I really connected to that, because 198 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: it's amazing how true that is. You know, when you're 199 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: on a really good team and you feel that sense 200 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: of community and you feel that connection, the team's better. 201 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: And when you translate that to life and you witness 202 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: something really beautiful, whether it's a classroom of students who 203 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: are really interactive and learning and from each other and 204 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: teaching each other and enjoying each other's company, or maybe 205 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: a thriving business or a panel of people talking and 206 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: really connecting, you can feel that a connection between people 207 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: is really a powerful force. Whether it's a force for 208 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: winning basketball games or a force for changing society, it's 209 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: that connection, that teamwork that ultimately creates what you're looking for. 210 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: So I think Phil was right. You know, basketball really 211 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: is a metaphor for life and for anybody who out 212 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: there who is actually coaching. One of the lessons that 213 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: I've really learned is that engaging your athletes in things 214 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: like civic responsibility is not just important in terms of 215 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: making the world a better place, but it's a pretty 216 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: powerful tool to make the team better too. Civics can 217 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: mean a lot of things, and one of pet peeves 218 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: is that it sometimes is whittled down solely to voting. 219 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: Voting is critical and essential, and so that's a part 220 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: of the puzzle. It also includes many other things, and 221 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: so inclusive of voting for anyone. And feel free to 222 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: cross talk with each other as you hear something that 223 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: may resonate from someone else. What have you seen in 224 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: your worlds of athletics, whether it's students who are your patients, 225 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: they're in your leagues, they're adults on your team right 226 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: now or in their journey to get to you to 227 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: where you are right now. What type of civic engagement, 228 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: what type of citizening are you seeing that it's deeply 229 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: connected to the world of athletics. Anybody can jump in first. 230 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'll start. I'll go back to 231 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty in our conference, and what a dynamic time 232 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: after George Floyd headed to a pandemic. And one of 233 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: the things I think that was pretty incredible and dynamic 234 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: that we saw in the PAC twelve was just how 235 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: these young people, these eighteen to twenty one year olds 236 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: that are so incredible on the courts and also sort 237 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: of leadership roles, were inspiring We adults, right, it's really 238 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: not their job, but they were really grabbing their head coaches, 239 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: grabbing their assistant coaches and saying, hey, there's a march 240 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: in Boulder tonight. Hey there's a march in Berkeley tonight. 241 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: We're going get the team together. Let's wear our stuff. 242 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: To Steve's point, this is going to be a team 243 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: bonding exercise because it's going to be something that we 244 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: can do together that's going to have an impact on 245 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: something much bigger than all of us. It was incredibly 246 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: emotional because it really was sort of going back to 247 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: some of the real impactful sort of civil rights history 248 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: in this country where the young people were taking it 249 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: upon themselves, which again they shouldn't have to do, but 250 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: they were so inspired by their energy, and you know, 251 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: these athletes have this unique ability to, like Steve said, 252 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: bring people together and to lead as a collective in 253 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: a way that was really really powerful. So that's just 254 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: one thing that I remember from a couple of years ago, 255 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: and that's continued. I think we're pretty proud of our 256 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: programs in the Pact twelve that that activity is not 257 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: alt thanks to people like Coach Revenue and others. Naturally, 258 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: they've reminded everyone how to citizen that this should be 259 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: core to team building exercises and otherwise. So for me, 260 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: that was one thing that really kind of inspired me, honestly, Yeah, 261 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: I think so. I was trying to think through kind 262 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: of how I've seen a position, how I've seen this 263 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: civics and this activism, if you will, outside of voting, 264 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: And what comes to mind for me is the power 265 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: of sharing your story as a way of humanizing people. Right. 266 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: And we talk about understanding our power and understanding the 267 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: systems that we're in, but I also think a huge 268 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: piece of civics is trying to understand the people that 269 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: we're living alongside, right, and viewing them not just in 270 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: the context of what they do or what platform they 271 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: may hold. I really feel like trying to see them 272 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: as the people that they are, whether it's humanizing, this 273 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: conversation about civics humanizing the conversation about voting. Voting is 274 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: not just about going to the poll, but those votes 275 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: that you cast have very real implications for the lived 276 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: experience of people beyond that moment. And so as I 277 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: think about athletes who have worn certain phrases on the 278 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: back of their jerseys, if I think about the single 279 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: site experience and the bubble experience. If I think about 280 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter being written on the court for the 281 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: w NBA seasons, If I think about the ways in 282 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,359 Speaker 1: which based in Atlanta, the Atlanta Dream were really instrumental 283 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: in one of our Congress votes here a few years ago, 284 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: right thinking about Reverend one up, And if I think 285 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: about the way in which people have activated in that 286 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: way but also demon strated activism by sharing more of 287 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: their story so that you get to know more of 288 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: who they are. And for me, again, the mental health 289 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: story has been one that's been really powerful. So I think, yes, 290 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: action around issues that are important, but also sharing more 291 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: of our story, humanizing us as people understanding the collective, 292 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: but also understanding the people that make up that collective. 293 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: I think that to me feels like a huge element 294 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: of the civics conversation. That's a really powerful reminded doctor 295 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: the humanity piece. I think you know, as much as 296 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: I can pick at this idea that it's more than 297 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: just voting. I also appreciate you reminding us it doesn't 298 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: always have to be kind of in the street activism either. 299 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of us feel pressure when 300 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: we hear like participating your civic community and get involved. 301 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: It's like do I have to go on a march, 302 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: am I getting petition signed? And it can also be 303 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: from the mental health perspective. I'm thinking of some own 304 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: biles and the kind of leadership that it takes as 305 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: a high performance person to say I'm not down to 306 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: perform right now. And here's some of why health exactly 307 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: exactly and so not just performance right remind you there's 308 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: a person in there that we need to privilege and 309 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: value and honor honor in the person there. Coach Kur, 310 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 1: do you have anything to add in terms of some 311 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: things you've seen as how people are showing up more 312 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: actively in their civic lives. Yeah, I'm really struck by 313 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: what doctor Gunter talked about in terms of just being 314 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: human and being present. For so many athletes that they're 315 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: in the limelight, and you know, they want to make 316 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: sure they're using their name, using their words for a 317 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: good cause, but sometimes it's just being there listening. And 318 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: I had a really amazing experience with Steph and Clay 319 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: about quick Explainer Tune day for anyone who's not a 320 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: basketball nerd. Steph Curry and Clay Thompson are NBA players. 321 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: They played for Coach Curse team the Golden State Warriors, 322 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: and they're really really good at basketball and apparently citizening 323 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: amazing experience with Steph and Clay about three years ago. 324 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: It was just before the pandemic. And I do some 325 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: work with gun violence prevention and I have a good 326 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: friend in Oakland and Mike McBride, he's a pastor who 327 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: does amazing work, and I invited Steph and Clay to 328 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: come with me to one of the meetings that Pastor 329 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: McBride has every month in Oakland. And it was part 330 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: of this gun violence prevention program where everybody involved in 331 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: that community in Oakland, whether it's police, social workers, the mayor, 332 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: mayor Livy schaff was their pastors, gang members, everybody gathered 333 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: for this roundtable discussion that actually helped to limit gun 334 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: violence in Oakland. Really powerful program. Steph and Clay just came. 335 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: It didn't take part. They just observed and to watch 336 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: all of the people in that room see the look 337 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: on their face and for them to know that man 338 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: Steph and Clay her warriors, like these guys care, they 339 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: care about us. It was really powerful. There were no 340 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: cameras there. Nobody ever knew Steph and Clay were there, 341 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: So this wasn't about you know, some headline or like 342 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: showing who they was, just humanity and just being there 343 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: for people in the community who are either victims of 344 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: gun violence or people trying to limit gun violence. And 345 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: it was it was a really great reminder to me 346 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: of what doctor Gunter just mentioned. Just the humanity piece, 347 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: just connecting with your fellow human being, now powerful that 348 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: can be, especially for people who have that type of 349 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: power that you know Steph and Clay do, I mean 350 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: people in the limelight. They can really impact people just 351 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: by being there. But really we all can, you know, 352 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: just showing humanity to each other is just so so 353 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: crucial to anything that we're talking about. The willingness to 354 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: kind of learn in public and use the power of 355 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: your presence on behalf of someone, those combined are are 356 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: really powerful. I think. I know, I feel a lot 357 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: of pressure in the current moments, whether it's climate related, 358 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: race related politics, electoral politics, related LGBTQ issues, there's a 359 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: list that we often feel pressure to have a statement ready, 360 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, what is your stance on how do you 361 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: feel about this position? And it's okay not to know, 362 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, and to learn having the answers isn't the 363 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: point being curious? I think is a really essential value, 364 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: greater than having knowledge itself. After the break the risks 365 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: and rewards of speaking up, I'm curious about any of 366 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: the hard parts. And that can be interpreted in a 367 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: number of ways. What occurs to me is you've got 368 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: some public and outside pressure from the shut up and 369 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: dribble wing, right, why are you meddling and muddying and 370 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: these matters? Just perform? Do your thing. There's also the 371 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: challenge of fatigue and even backlash to a level of 372 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: activism and statement making by folks involved in athletics, and 373 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty moment has passed in certain ways where 374 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: a lot of these companies needs are pulling back and 375 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: people are kind of retrenching. So maybe there's a fatigue challenge, 376 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: or maybe there's some other challenge in this work that 377 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: you've identified that what do you think people need to 378 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: know about what might be hard as you continue to 379 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: weave the athletics and active citizenship world together, A doctor gunt, 380 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: could you start us off with anything you might have 381 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: experienced or witness. It takes work, and it takes intentional effort, right, Like, 382 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that sometimes is 383 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: hard because in the midst of all the other responsibilities 384 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: that we are trying to adhere to, in the midst 385 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: of trying to learn offenses and defenses and due strength 386 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: and win games and build team in our sport, in 387 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: addition to also living our personal lives. As we talk 388 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: about this how to be a citizen, it takes deliberate 389 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: effort and work to dedicate yourself to having a level 390 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: of humility that allows you to recognize there are multiple 391 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: truths that coexist in the world that we live in, 392 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: and trying to understand somebody else's experience takes intention, right, 393 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: Trying to educate your yourself about issues that you may 394 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: not be familiar with takes intention, That takes effort, and 395 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: so it's not just going to happen, right, But I 396 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: think that is a part of the hardness. In the 397 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: moments where we may feel more disconnected than we've ever felt, 398 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: In the moments where we may heal burned out, where 399 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: we may heal exhausted, it's important for us to take 400 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: care of ourselves. Let me be clear, right, we absolutely 401 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: need to do those things to try to restore ourselves 402 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: and replenish our energy. But it takes effort to be 403 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: in community, to value the collective. But ultimately we all 404 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: want to feel like we belong and so that level 405 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: of reciprocity, that level of us needing to be able 406 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: to give and to take, to show up and to listen, 407 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: to be present and to sometimes do all of that 408 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: takes work. And so I think the hard part is 409 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: this is not something that can happen separate from the 410 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: life you're living. This has to be integrated into the 411 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: life you live, and it takes effort, but the reward 412 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: can be tremendous. We want to close on those rewards 413 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: and I'll have to do a kind of lightning round. 414 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: Deputy Commissioner Jamie, do you have anything to add on 415 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: this one? Doctor Gunder's words really really struck me. I think, 416 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, we don't always know what actions are the 417 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: right actions to take, but I think as leaders you 418 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: can always approach it with a vulnerability and a curiosity, right, 419 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: And I think it's really important. I think Coach Kurr 420 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: talked about this with the players. To say I don't know, 421 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: or just to start with emotions, say I'm scared, that 422 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: concerns me. I don't know what the action is, but 423 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: if we can open up the conversation by being vulnerable 424 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: people and being willing to learn, that opens up the 425 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: conversation from especially those in leadership positions like coaches. The 426 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: more vulnerable and authentic you're willing to be, and we're 427 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: seeing this in the next generation of athletes. I'm sure 428 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: Coach Kurrs as well. You have to do it that way. 429 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: You have to connect with them right, to motivate them 430 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: and to keep them bought into the team. So there's 431 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: an incentive system in that too. But I just think 432 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: this authenticity, this vulnerability, of this willingness to not know, 433 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: just opens up the door or for people to work 434 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: together instead of you know what, we've seen a lot 435 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: which is shutting down and people taking kind of bifurcated positions. 436 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: Coach Kerves, what's the hard part you've seen in intertwining 437 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: these kind of different parts of people's identity and to 438 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: anticipate where doctor Gunner was going to take us. What's 439 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: the reward? What makes it work? Yeah? Well, I think 440 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: what Jamie mentioned is so important, you know, the vulnerability 441 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: aspect of it, but the hard part of being vulnerable 442 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: is that we're living in an era where you know, 443 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: people are out there ready to pounce as soon as 444 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: you make a mistake. And that's that's what I've found, 445 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, being in the in the public eye, I've 446 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: had to really make sure that I feel like I 447 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: have a good grasp on what I'm talking about, you know. 448 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: So I think it's important if you're going to be 449 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: involved in the community and involved in some kind of 450 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, social change that you're looking for, find a passion, 451 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: find something that you're particularly interested in, and focus on 452 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: it and read about it and get to know your subject. 453 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: For me, that topic gun violence. I lost my dad 454 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: to gun violence when I was eighteen years old, and 455 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: so that issue is my passion and I've really had 456 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: to learn over really since i started talking about it publicly, 457 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: which started in about twenty sixteen. I think I've had 458 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: to learn a lot of things. You know, I made 459 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes just with my words and phrases. 460 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: For example, you know, if you want to try to 461 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: connect with people who are on the other side of 462 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: the gun issue, don't say gun control, you know, we 463 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: say gun violence prevention. It's an important distinction because if 464 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: you want to actually make a connection with people and 465 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: actually create progress, there's got to be common ground. And 466 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: I've got a dozen other things that I could say 467 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: in the same realm of expressions that I needed to learn, 468 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: things that I needed to learn, statistics that I had 469 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: to learn. But because it was a passion of mine, 470 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: I really wanted to learn, and I found great resources 471 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: to help me. And now I've really connected with some 472 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: of the gun violence prevention groups you know nationally, with 473 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: the Brady Center and Gifford's March for Our Lives. I've 474 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: learned so much from these people. But the reward has 475 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: been phenomenal. I've received letters and calls from high school students, 476 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: junior high school students thanking me for speaking up based 477 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: on what's happening around the country. It's incredibly inspiring to 478 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: learn and grow and meet like minded people and what 479 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: is really a nationwide movement to try to improve our society. 480 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: So I guess that's my thought. My advice is to 481 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: focus on something that you're passionate about, Otherwise you can get, 482 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: you know, sort of get yourself in a little bit 483 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 1: of trouble. But the rewards are really really impressive and satisfying. 484 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: We are always short on time and discussions like these, 485 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: doctor guns there, I want to give you an opportunity. 486 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: Any last thought that you want to share, I'll come 487 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: to you, Jamie, as well as you coach current. Then 488 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: I'll put a button on this and let us get 489 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: back to the rest of our days and our citizen 490 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: And go ahead, doctor. There are two things that came 491 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: to mind. And I've used this phrase now and a 492 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: lot of talks and presentations that I do, and I'm 493 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: sure it came from somebody much wiser than me, but 494 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: I'll share it. And it's We're human beings, not human doings, right, 495 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: And so as we think about civics, as we think 496 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: about team, as we think about community, as we think 497 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: about ourselves, it's really important for us to think about 498 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: how we show up and how we can be in 499 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: the world. And a just an equitable society is beneficial 500 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: for all of us. And again I have to take 501 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: it back to the mental health part, right, Like our 502 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: mental health is impacted by what happens in us, to 503 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: us and around us. So in addition to thinking about 504 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: the ways that we take care of ourselves, the ways 505 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: that we take care of each other. And the way 506 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: that we help to create systems that promote health and 507 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: wellness for the collective really creates a society that's better 508 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: for all of us. And so those are some of 509 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: the things that I think are important about this intersection 510 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: and how it intersects with life. Thank you for that, Jamie. 511 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: You know, again, working with young people like we do 512 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: in college sports, you know, I think there's really this 513 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: void of hope for the future for them, and I 514 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: really hope that our leadership, you know, and I think 515 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: that is affecting their mental health. We're hearing it stories 516 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: every day in terms of we're trying to load up 517 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: the services on campus. It's not just athletes, it's it's 518 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: college students more broadly and youth more generally. But there's 519 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: really this lack of hope because of sort of everything 520 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: that they're being bombarded with. And I hope as leaders 521 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: we can turn that around, and I think it will 522 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: lead to better mental health and lead to better the 523 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: reward will be a more just, comforting and supportive society 524 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: for all of us. It's a massive undertaking. But whether 525 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: it's climate change or social justice or otherwise, you know, 526 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: these kids are being bombarded and I hope we can 527 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: all step up and make a brighter future for them. 528 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: Related to that, I think coach kerb brought up something 529 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: really important, which is this notion of sort of talking 530 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: to the other side, right. I mean, we have people 531 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: that are so entrenched in their positions and we need 532 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: to find way, and his is a good example to 533 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: reach out and to speak to quote unquote the other 534 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: side and people that have different ideals and philosophies and 535 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: otherwise and come together in a way to determine this 536 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: brighter future for sort of the young people of tomorrow 537 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: who will lead us when we need their help. So 538 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: those are sort of my two takeaways Code Curve bring 539 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: us home. As Jamie said, our athletes, our students are 540 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 1: getting bombarded with bad news and the difficulty of living 541 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: modern life. As a result, it can cloud the picture. 542 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's a sense that, oh, my gosh, the 543 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: world's in a terrible place. The world's actually in a 544 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: way better place than it was fifty years ago. There's 545 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: a lot of great things happening. There's a lot of 546 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: wonderful people doing amazing things. There's a lot of beauty 547 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: on earth. Yes, there are a lot of problems. But 548 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: we live in a time where it's media for profits. 549 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: It's just people trying to make money by sensationalizing everything, 550 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: which is terrible for our mental health. So how can 551 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: we help our students and our athletes and people around 552 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: us understand that? Pardon my French, but all that stuff 553 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: is bullshit, right, It really is. What matters is human 554 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: connection truth And how do you get to the truth. 555 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: It's it's through communication and respect and and interacting with 556 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: people in your community. But we've got to find a 557 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: way to lessen the mental impact of all this bombardment 558 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: of negativity and divisiveness that is in many ways created 559 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: just for profit in our world. Thank you for naming that. 560 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: Thank you all for this beautiful communication, very respectful. I 561 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: feel more connected to each of you in certain ways, 562 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: Coach Kurr. I didn't remember that about you. I lost 563 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: my father a gun violence when I was a child 564 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: as well, and so I'm feeling extra human with all 565 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: of you right now. Thank you for your vulnerability, your honesty, 566 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: and your reminders as I interpret it, that we're not alone. 567 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, some of the weight that we've described, some 568 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: of the news pressures, some of the criticisms and expectations. 569 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: They weigh more heavily when we try to carry them 570 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: by ourselves. And the principle of sport, as well as 571 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: the principle of a democratic, small d society or any society, 572 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: really is that we're stronger together. Our health is improved 573 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: when we take it in a collective consideration and know 574 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: that we can't do any of these things all by ourselves. 575 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: That's really a tortuous and unhappy life. So thanks for 576 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: coming together to remind us that we can be better together. 577 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: Really appreciate all of your time here and certainly off screen. 578 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: Thank you wa. We moved fast through that. That was 579 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: one of the most efficient conversations I've been a part 580 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: of in a while. It makes me think and really 581 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: reminds me that there are so many ways to citizen. 582 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: There's so many on ramps to having us create a 583 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: culture we're caring about and fighting for our communities, and 584 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: our democracy is actually exciting and cool and inviting. And 585 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: I am clearly not the dude out there always talking 586 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: about sports, but I'm aware enough to know that billions 587 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: of people are deeply connected to them and the sense 588 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: of belonging they provide that team's spirit extends well beyond 589 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: the players, into the stands, into the living rooms. So 590 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: the more things we can connect to this idea of 591 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: citizen as a verb that people are already connected to, 592 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: I say use it because that's more likely to help 593 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: us create the culture and society we want to live in. 594 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: Ergo Therefore, sports, sports, sports, sports, sports, whatever it takes 595 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: to help us learn, to help us practice. Yeah, I'm 596 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: talking about practice. Listen, We're talking about practice. A huge 597 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: thank you to doctor KENSA Gunser, Jamie Zaninovich, and coach 598 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: Kerr for their ongoing work and for sharing their wisdom. Also, again, 599 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: big thanks to Lisa Kay Solomon and coach Eric Revenoe 600 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: for inviting us to be a part of this discussion 601 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: and for being great partners in citizening. As always, we've 602 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: got some specific actions you can take after listening to 603 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: this episode that fall into three categories reflection, learning, and 604 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: public participation. So go on build on the momentum you 605 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: feel after listening to these incredible people. Our suggestions for 606 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: internal reflection are inspired by doctor kinseb Gunter. For those 607 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: of you that played sports, how did belonging to a 608 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: team make you feel? What about teamwork was easy for you? 609 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: What about it was hard? And if you weren't into sports, 610 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: hello picture any other team you've been a part of, 611 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: whether it's school, or work or somewhere in between. What 612 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: personal benefits that you receive by coming together with others 613 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: to work on something. Now, when terms of getting more informed, 614 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: we got a simple recommend to go to our website 615 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: how does citizen dot com because we've designed a quiz 616 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: just for you. 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