1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtis. Here are the stories we're 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: following today. Nvidia is selling a less capable version of 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: its top graphics product for video gamers in China. This 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: comes after the US government tightened restrictions on what the 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: company can market there. The version of the GTX forty 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: ninety D ship is listed for sale on in Vidia's 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: China website, but it has about ten percent fewer processing 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: cores than the forty ninety that is sold in other countries, 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: and Vidia's CEO Jensen Huang has said that the company 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: will produce versions of its products for China that comply 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: with US export curves. Well half of the container ship 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: fleet that regularly transits the Red Sea and Suez Canal 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: is avoiding the route now because of the threat of attacks. 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: We get the story from Bloomberg's Karen Moscow. 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: A tally can file them by Flexport shows almost three 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: hundred vessels with a combined capacity to carry four point 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: three million containers have either changed course or planned to. 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: That's about double the number from a week ago and 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: equates to about eighteen percent of global capacity. Thanks Forward 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: says that diverted journeys around Africa can take as much 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: as twenty five percent longer than using the Suez Canal 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: shortcut between Asia and Europe. Those trips are more costly 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: and may lead to higher prices for consumers on everything 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: from sneakers to food to oil if the longer journeys persist. 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: Karen Moscow Bloomberg Radio. 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: One of the. 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: World's best known department store chains is now shopping for 28 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: a financial lifeline. The story from Bloomberg's Tom. 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 4: Musby Cambridge Properties, owner of the iconic Selfridge department store 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: in London, may be in trouble. It's now asking its 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 4: parent company, Bangkok based Central Group for more cash. That's 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: to meet its debt payments and to make up for 33 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: the financial struggles of its other owner. Signa Prime Selection, 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: which file for insolvency on Thursday. Signa an alliance of 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: property holdings across several continents, with department stores in Germany, Austria, Switzerland. 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: It even owns a piece of New York City's famous 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: Chrysler building. A spokesman for Selfridge just says nothing changes 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: for its customers or shareholders. Selfridge shares trade independently of 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 4: Central Group and Signa. Tom Buzby Bloomberg Radio. 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: On the jobs front, initial applications for US unemployment benefits 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: ticked up in the week leading to Christmas, first time 42 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: claims rising twelve thousand to two hundred and eighteen thousand 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: in that week ending December twenty third. That's still at 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: a level consistent with the resilient labor market. Here's Laura Raim, 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: chief US economists at FS Investments. 46 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 5: While they're concerns about the labor market renormalizing, or people 47 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 5: are starting to talk about tracts in the labor market, 48 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: when I look at this indicator, I see companies still 49 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 5: really eager to hold on to workers. 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: First time claims figures tend to be quite volatile around 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: the holidays. The four week moving average, which offers a 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: clearer picture of the trend, was little changed at two 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: hundred twelve thousand last week. That's the lowest figures since 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: late October. China has vowed to step up existing monetary 55 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: policy and stimulate consumer prices. Bloomberg's Bonnie Au with the 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: story from Hong Kong. 57 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 6: The People's Bank of China has reaffirmed the bank's pledge 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 6: to push consumer prices higher. The central banks that it 59 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 6: will implement a policy in a targeted manner. China's recent 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 6: consumer prices and producer costs fell more than expected and 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 6: deeper into negative territory. That added to fears of deflation. 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 6: The central Bank also promised to guide what it caused 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 6: a reasonable growth of credit. It also fouled to increase 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 6: support for tech, infrastructure and other sectors in Hong Kong. 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 6: I'm Bonnie al Bloomberg Radio. 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: Now it's time for global news. Let's get right over 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: to Ed Baxter. He is tracking this story. The US 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: sanctioning some Middle East networks that are financing who the 69 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: shipping attacks. 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 7: D Yeah, thank you. You guys were talking about the 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 7: number of Brian you at the top, about the number 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 7: of ships that are staying out of the Red Sea. Now, 73 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 7: now the US has decided to fight back this way. 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 7: Sanctions come from the US Treasury designates individual, one individual 75 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 7: and three entities of facilitating the flow of Iranian financial 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 7: assistance to the Houthis on exchange houses in Yemen and Turkey. 77 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 7: The USS it hopes it will send a message in 78 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 7: that it's serious in cutting funds to the Houthis. And 79 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 7: we'll have more on that. As I say, in just 80 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 7: a couple of minutes. Second American hostage in Gaza has 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 7: been declared dead. We get the tails now from Bloomberg's 82 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 7: Nancy Lyons. 83 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 8: President Biden says he and his wife Jill, are devastated 84 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 8: to hear that American Judy Weinstein Hagai was killed following 85 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 8: the October seventh Hamas incursion. The President says the news 86 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 8: cuts especially deep since her husband, god Ha Gui is 87 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 8: also believed to have been killed by Hamas. A spokesperson 88 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 8: for their Kibbutz says Hamas is believed to still be 89 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 8: holding both bodies. They disappeared early on October seventh and 90 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 8: had not been seen since. Gd Weinstein Hagai was seven 91 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 8: years old and the mother of four and grandmother of 92 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 8: seven in Washington, Nancy Lyons Bloomberg Radio or Nancy thank You. 93 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 7: In the aftermath of the Biden administration's announcement that it 94 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 7: is sending another two hundred and fifty million dollar package 95 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 7: to Ukraine, the Congress, when it gets back, will be 96 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 7: confronted with that same issue. The founder of Pangaea Policy 97 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 7: Dry Terry Haynes, says, Congress really wants to ask questions. 98 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 9: What Congress is really. 99 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 10: Going to want to know is how quickly those weapons 100 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 10: are going to come, exactly what they are, and whether 101 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 10: there is a continued resolve in the Biden administration to 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 10: actually provide its weapons in the time they manner, because 103 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 10: one thing that's happened is is frequently taken months for 104 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 10: that to occur. 105 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 7: Meanwhile, Ukraine's premier has sounded the alarm over the country's finances, 106 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 7: requesting an emergency meeting with international donors as Kiev confronts 107 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 7: as he says, exceptionally high uncertainty over its budget. At 108 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 7: the start of the year, US and Philippine top diplomats 109 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 7: have discussed important opportunities further strengthen their long standing alliance 110 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 7: next year. US Secretary of State Anthony Lincoln and Foreign 111 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 7: Secretary and Riki Manalo held a call pledging steadfast commitments. 112 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 7: Last week. Manalo also talked with China's Foreign Minister Wanghi 113 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 7: and warned of serious difficulties in their relationship. Republican presidential 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 7: candidate Nikki Haley is doing some damage control today after 115 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 7: failing to mention slavery is the cause of the Civil 116 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 7: War when quized at a forum in New Hampshire last night. 117 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 7: This morning, she appeared in the radio program The Pulse 118 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 7: in New Hampshire and addressed what some are calling a 119 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 7: major gaff. 120 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 11: Of course, the Civil War was about slavery. We know that. 121 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 11: That's the easy part of it. What I was saying 122 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 11: was what does it mean to us today? What it 123 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 11: means to us today is about freedom. That's what that 124 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 11: was all about. 125 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 7: Haley says. Democratic operatives were sent to ask questions. Ronda 126 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 7: Santis posted her video and the word yikes, and President 127 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 7: Biden did the same with a quote it was about slavery. 128 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 7: Well news twenty four hours a day and whenever you 129 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 7: want it with Bloomberg News Now in San Francisco. I'm 130 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 7: Ed Baxter, and this is Bloomberg. 131 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: Let's welcome our guest in, Zachary Hill, head of portfolio. 132 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: Management at Horizon Investments. 133 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: Zachary, thanks very much for taking out the time to 134 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: be with us. 135 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: So the SMB five hundred is right on the cusp 136 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: of a new all time high. 137 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: So I guess the way you look at that might 138 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: dictate what you think will happen going forward. Do you 139 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: see a break above that as something positive and bullish or. 140 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,559 Speaker 3: Would it be a good time to sell? 141 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, Brian, thanks for having me. 142 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 12: You know, we close today less than one percent from 143 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 12: all time highs and both the S and P five 144 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 12: hundred and the Nasdaq one hundred, So you know, certainly 145 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 12: I think that's something that's very much in the cards, 146 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 12: you know, over the next few days, maybe not tomorrow, 147 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 12: maybe the first week of the year tends to be 148 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 12: a good time, you know, seasonally for equity markets. And 149 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 12: you know, we do think this this rally is on 150 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 12: pretty firm footing. You know, we've had a major kind 151 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 12: of policy headwinds that have that are now going to 152 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 12: be turning to tailwinds in a material way. We've got 153 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 12: continued strength in the economy, and especially with the you know, 154 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 12: tech and communication services parts of the market, there's really 155 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 12: really strong earnings. And so, you know, putting all that together, 156 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 12: I'm not sure you know what what people are complaining 157 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 12: about when they look forward to twenty twenty four. 158 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of people just think so 159 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: much is already baked in, So you know, what do 160 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: you what do you do from here? You can wait 161 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: on the data, and that's fine, because if the earnings 162 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: get stronger, if the economy even picks up some steam, 163 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: then that would be good, but some people want to 164 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: get out in front of that. 165 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: Are you thinking that that's possible? 166 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 12: Well, I mean, you know, the last three years have 167 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 12: kind of shown that anything is possible, and I do think. 168 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 9: You know this, as we look forward, we need to be. 169 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 12: Humble about kind of the way the economy is going 170 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 12: to evolve because you know, there are a lot of 171 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 12: people that are trained on traditional business cycles and this 172 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 12: this cycle has look nothing like that whatsoever. A lot 173 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 12: of different reasons for that, you know, stimulus, the quantity 174 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 12: of that wealth effect, you know, demographics, just a whole 175 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 12: whole host of things that have kind of you know, 176 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 12: confounded typical macro economic analysis, and so we do have 177 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 12: to be humble as we look forward, but kind of 178 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 12: as you know, as we see it, I think twenty 179 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 12: twenty four is gonna be about a year of kind 180 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 12: of getting away from cash and cash like instruments where 181 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 12: people have been sheltering in a really material way and 182 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 12: getting back reinvested in portfolios that can you know, really 183 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 12: drive you know, long term financial results. 184 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: So you're not all that positive about the bond market. 185 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 12: I mean, if if I had to rank them, I 186 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 12: would say, you know, stocks over bonds over cash. Next year, 187 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 12: you know, bonds are are are definitely you know, much 188 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 12: more attractive. And I think the important thing, one important 189 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 12: thing to think about that we haven't had. 190 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 9: Over the last two years is you know, the. 191 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 12: FED has got space now if we do hit a 192 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 12: growth hiccup, which we don't see coming, but if we 193 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 12: do hit one that you know, plenty of exogenous things 194 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 12: can cause that. If we do hit a growth hiccups, 195 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 12: the FED can cut, and they can cut materially. You know, 196 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 12: typically in a recession the FED cuts four or five 197 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 12: hundred basis points. Well, they have that room to do 198 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 12: that now, you know that wasn't the case for the 199 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 12: last two years, and so you know, from a probability 200 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 12: way to perspective, that is something that that definitely has 201 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 12: to weigh in on the you know, investors calculus, and 202 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 12: I think that's why, you know, the curve is so 203 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 12: inverted and the market is expecting a good a good 204 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 12: amount of cuts next year. 205 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: For a big part of this year, it was really 206 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: mean reversion that seemed to be working because you still 207 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: have the FED raising interest rates and there were a 208 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: lot of fears around about where the economy would eventually 209 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: go because the lag defect. But because stocks were so 210 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: bad last year, they became so good this year. I 211 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: mean that's not the only reason, but you know, it's 212 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: it's one of the things that does often happen in markets. 213 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: And I'm just noticing now that in Asia, you know, 214 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: you're starting to get a little bit of a fire 215 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: under on Kong in China, now, we've seen it before 216 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: and it has often turned out to be a false done. 217 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Are you looking at China and do you think that 218 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: some money may take a punt there on the sort 219 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: of dogs of the doubt theory. 220 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's definitely been the case. We've seen 221 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 12: some some pretty whippy trends, you know, within global equities 222 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 12: under the hood, and definitely China has been one that 223 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 12: has confounded investors. You know, I do think, you know, 224 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 12: when we saw a pretty substantial rally today, I do 225 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 12: think the bar is higher than it has been, you know, 226 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 12: for for Chinese stocks. You know, put put simply, there's 227 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 12: just not a lot of trust that you know, the 228 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 12: administration is going to put forward policies that support growth 229 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 12: and import support equity holders. 230 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: Well, there's also the notion there's also the notion. I 231 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: didn't mention it directly, but places like Southeast Asia actually 232 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: stumbled a bit this year, mainly because the Chinese economy stumbled. 233 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: So if you're right, if you get reasonable policies for 234 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: growth but maybe not that market friendly, but Southeast Asia 235 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: maybe get a bit. 236 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think, Brian, that's that's a great point, and 237 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 12: it's definitely the case as we think about. 238 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 9: You know, emerging market exposure more broadly. 239 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 12: It used to be the case, you know, over the 240 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 12: last really ten fifteen years, if you get China right, 241 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 12: you get all of them right. 242 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 9: That was generally the story. 243 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 12: You know, the economies were very intertwined, you know, in 244 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 12: terms of supply chain and and the like, and you know, 245 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 12: it really hasn't been that way for the last few years. 246 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 12: And so I do think that that's going to be 247 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 12: a continued theme in markets as people look, you know, 248 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 12: not just at the kind of a broad overall index levels, 249 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 12: but but start to look for individual stories where you know, 250 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,239 Speaker 12: policies growth all kind of line up in a way. 251 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 9: That people can get behind that. 252 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 12: And you know, as we look at China right now, 253 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 12: I don't see you know, those those that kind of mosaic. 254 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 9: Of a supportive factors lining up right now. 255 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 3: It's it's crazy. 256 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, reporting on this every day as we do, 257 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: and talking to twelve guests, you know, you get examples 258 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: every day of the same old communist party, and then 259 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: you also get examples of how the tone has changed. 260 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: So perhaps we get a clearer picture next year. We 261 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: only have time for one more and I think I'll 262 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: give you a big, open platform question. What's your number 263 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: one call at the moment? 264 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 12: Number one call is you know, stocks hire next year? 265 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 12: You know, do not fall in love with your cash allocations. 266 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 12: You know, those those five and a half percent rates 267 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 12: that that people are are clipping right now are going 268 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 12: to look pretty pretty silly if we you know, maybe 269 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 12: not as high as we've done this year, but put 270 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 12: in a good, good equity market next year. 271 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thanks very much, Zachary Zachary Hill, head 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: of portfolio management at Horizon Investments. 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