1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome to our podcast. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM employees of premier networks, or their 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 12 00:00:53,960 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast network. Well them to my show. 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: Remember each week this is the place you go to 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: when you want to discuss whatever it is that you're 15 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: experiencing out of the ordinary, from ghosts to goblins, aliens 16 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: to shadow people, and hat man and holy encounters. We 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: cover it all. Just go to my main website, which 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: is shadow Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com 19 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and write me as much information in detail as you'd 20 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: like there. I always start my programs discussing some of 21 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: the latest emails that have come in and today does 22 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: not disappoint. And I tell you, guys, I like to 23 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: read these things fresh. I do not generally read ahead, 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: so sometimes I have to pause and make sense of 25 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: what's going on and if words are missing and whatnot. 26 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: But to us, I'm going to get to an email 27 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: here that just popped up, and I want to let 28 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: you know at the next segment. Have a fabulous guess. 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: I have shall Ma, who is a Chinese ufologist who 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: has some really interesting perspectives when it comes to what 31 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: it is that Chinese people are experiencing when it comes 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: to the topic of alien UFO and even paranormal encounters. 33 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: You are in for a treat. But first, I'm going 34 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: to this email and uh, says dear Heidi, thank you 35 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: so much for sharing on a radio show recently. It 36 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: is nice to know I am not alone and not crazy. 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: I've not had a lot of the experiences that you 38 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: have had, but I've had enough weirdness that I've questioned 39 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: things since I was a child. One thing that has 40 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: resonated with me was the feeling of being here at 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: this time for a purpose. I've had the crazy idea 42 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: that we're all pieces in a giant chess match that 43 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: we can't comprehend, and that I volunteered or agreed to 44 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: be here. I know that feeling. I've spent a good 45 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: portion of my life preparing for a battle of some sort, 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: years in the martial arts and technical tactical training. I've 47 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: had two dreams that were not normal dreams. The first 48 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: one came true and always stuck with me the feel 49 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: of it. The second one has not yet come true, 50 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: but may actually becoming true in a form I didn't expect. 51 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: I have had times when I clearly heard internally to 52 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: do something or not to do something, and I don't 53 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: ignore it. Bad things happen when I do. I've also 54 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: seen shadow people and had sleep paralysis. The lad time 55 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: was a year or so ago and was the first 56 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: time in a long time that had happened. My dog 57 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: that had died recently showed up while I was praying 58 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: and telling it to leave, and it left. I'm unsure 59 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: why Dakota showed up. I don't see many relatives in dreams, 60 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: or at least I don't remember them. I've always questioned 61 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: the narrative and felt that the truth would be a 62 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: mix of everything combined in some way. I've asked God 63 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: for confirmation on certain things and actually had answers in 64 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: different ways. There was a group that was researching the 65 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: Hebrew language called the Chronicle Project. To make a long 66 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: story short, They found Hebrew was actually a self defining 67 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: language and each symbol was a word. Their translation of 68 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: the Creation story from the oldest version of it in 69 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: Hebrew actually lines up a great deal with most of this. 70 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: They could also see where things had been added in 71 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: due to the way it would translate out. I'm not 72 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: sure what my part to play in this will be. 73 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: I do know I'm where I'm supposed to be at 74 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: this time. I would like to know if there is 75 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: anything else I should be doing other than what I am. 76 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 1: I work as an inhospital nurse practitioner for what it's worth. 77 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: I would have never pegged myself in the past as 78 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: an impath, but I am. I've fought with it my 79 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: entire life, and it was terrible in my teens and twenties, 80 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: and it has taken a long time to understand myself better. 81 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: It's hard to see something I always thought of as 82 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: a weakness as a strength. Thank you for listening. Sandy. Wow, Sandy, 83 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: very powerful, and uh, thank you so much for taking 84 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: the time to write out in so much detail what 85 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: it is that you've been experiencing and this inner knowledge. 86 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard me discussing on I've 87 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: I do a lot of interviews, especially more recently as 88 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: these negative things have been picking up their pace, so 89 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: to speak, with the pandemic going on, and so much 90 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: illness and so much depression and homelessness and desperation and 91 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: job loss. So I don't know if you heard me 92 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: speaking of my book and why it is called the 93 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: Secret War, and why so many of us are waking 94 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: up to this feeling, this understanding that I've come here 95 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: at this time for a reason. I know I'm supposed 96 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: to be helping in a battle of sorts and ladies 97 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. I am not kidding you. Over the years, 98 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: I've had so many people reach out feeling and knowing 99 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: this that I like to like acknowledge them where they're at, Like, oh, 100 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: were you located? I'm in South America. It's good to 101 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: know that corner is covered. You know. Um, I'm over here. 102 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm in Canada. Great, all right, We've got that covered. 103 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: Now too. It's almost like this secret army. I mean, 104 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: it's just lying in wait, getting so many hints on 105 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: what's best to do or what not to do. Just 106 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: as Sandy described here, I remember as a kid being 107 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: told don't stand out too much, don't do this, don't 108 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: do that. So I totally, I totally feel you and 109 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: some of the dreams that some of the folks like 110 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: yourself and myself, Sandy have spoken of, like this preparation 111 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: you speak of martial arts. I've I've had so many 112 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: people say, well, I had this dream, this battle dream, 113 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: and how I should handle myself in the midst of it. 114 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: And now I know if this happens, what to do. 115 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: And I write about this pretty extensively in my book 116 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: The Secret War, because I know that these these training dreams, 117 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: these school like dreams, they were so purposeful, and if 118 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: I didn't do well, I could wake up and realize 119 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: I failed, and and almost will myself back to the 120 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: dream to redo it, so I could feel satisfied that 121 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: I accomplished what was needed. And it could be any 122 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: kind of scenario. It could be a cataclysmic event, it 123 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: could be a battle, it could be a lesson being learned, uh, 124 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: it could be a really disgusting being. Um, which actually 125 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: happened to me. I had this this creature. It was 126 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: just really my hand was grabbing its face and and 127 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: aiming to hold it there because it was just not 128 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't allowed to be there, and I was going 129 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: to show at the door. Essentially, I kind of tracked 130 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: it down in this city and grabbed it. And then 131 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: it started changing its face and its body became so 132 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: hideous and it changed. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna look, 133 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: you know, it turned my head and then it changed again, 134 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, it's just getting worse and worse. 135 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: And then it became slimy and disgusting, and I'm like, okay, 136 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: you win. I'm done. You know, I'm touching this gross thing. 137 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: And and I knew, I knew I wasn't supposed to 138 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: cop out that way, but I did, and um, and 139 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: I had to repeat that until I just got over 140 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: the slimy, disgusting creature. But um, yeah, it's it's you know, 141 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people are so worried about this uh 142 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: Good and Eve battle that's coming up, but knowing that 143 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: there's these people who just have this inner knowledge on 144 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: what best to do. Look for them, Look for them 145 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: if things should shake down the way that we're all 146 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: fearing it might, because they are ready and Sandy, it's 147 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: not a surprise to me that you experienced shadow people, 148 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: because boy, they don't like us very much at all, 149 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: and they try to take advantage and keep an eye 150 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: and make sure we're not saying something or directing enough 151 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: people to keep their eyes open or prepare. So it's, uh, yeah, 152 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: it's it's just one of those things. So you know, 153 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: it's it's so it's such pitiful attempts, you know, the 154 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis, the shadow people thing. And people are like, well, 155 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: it took advantage, it got to hold me. You know 156 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: that this is a bad thing that they were so 157 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: successful in holding me down. It's like, well, it's not 158 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: a great thing, but it's happened to me too. They 159 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: just got lucky that night. I mean, it doesn't mean 160 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: that you're weaker, but I love I love what you 161 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: put at the end of this where you said that 162 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: it was hard for you to initially see something that 163 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: you thought of as a weakness is actually a strength. 164 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: And one of my good friends likes to tell me 165 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: it's hard for us to be critical of ourselves and 166 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: look in the mirror and realize how magnificent we are, 167 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: each of us, absolutely each of us. So keep that 168 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: in mind. That human potential is something else, and not 169 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: all of us have the history of the next person. 170 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: We have a lot of lifetimes and a lot of 171 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: memories that we need to retrieve in order to be 172 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: ready for something that's coming at us. Highly negative, that 173 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: has the knowledge of a thousand lifetimes, and we've got 174 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: them too. We just have to try that and have 175 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: no doubts. So, Sandy, I want to thank you so 176 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: much for taking the time to write me here, and uh, 177 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, everyone out there, if you have experienced something, 178 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: or if you have an insight or a comment that 179 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: you'd like to share, you are welcome to write me 180 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: or also welcome to come on the show and to 181 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: discuss it, because we need to have these conversations. We 182 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: need to not be frightened to speak our truths and 183 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: just keep it real. It doesn't have to be Spookyuh, 184 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a religious thing. 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You are listening 239 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 240 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 241 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: As promised, I have a fabulous guests. I have Shao Ma, 242 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: who is a Chinese UFO and consciousness researcher. She has 243 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: extensive contact experience with non human intelligence in h I 244 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: through various paranormal contact modalities. Shao has spoken across the 245 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: globe at various events highlighting the upology and spiritual communities 246 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: that survive under China's tightened political control, and how Chinese 247 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: people react to paranormal contact modalities. Welcome to the show. 248 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: Show very good, thank you, thanks for having me Heidi. 249 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. This has been a long time coming. 250 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: And whenever I have issues like this, I know this 251 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: is somebody special. So I'm really appreciative to have you on. 252 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, my goodness. So you're joining us 253 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: from Sydney, Australia. You're a Chinese UFO and consciousness researcher, 254 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: so that that's an added bonus of the consciousness element. 255 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: So how did that come about your interest in the 256 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: topic of UFOs. Oh yeah, I eventually introduced through my 257 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: friend to a guy called Ray Hernandez. So your minor 258 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: Ray is one of the founders of c c I 259 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: I previously called f I E organization, which focus on 260 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: study into consciousness. So that's how I got to really 261 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: explore food into consciousness study. And you know, I think 262 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: you fology the ultimate goal is to awaken now, so 263 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: that means anxiousness study is automate goal for uphology community. 264 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: From my perspective, Oh gosh, yes, Ray is absolutely fantastic. 265 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: And the work that he does, and all the effort 266 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: that it takes to help make sense of this. It's 267 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: really a challenge. I can hardly imagine how challenging it 268 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: is in China. I mean, can you tell us a 269 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: little bit about what is going on over there in 270 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: the UFO community. Yeah, so, if you don't mind, give 271 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: you a basic intro. So I initially had my awakening 272 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: in Sydney quite a while ago. I believe that was 273 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: during the June's Year, so claimed the two thousand and twelve. 274 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: And then gradually I made quite a few people had 275 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: my awakening. And I met a guy in China and 276 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: he goes like, a, shall I heard that you've got 277 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: a eat contact experiences? Why don't you come to my show, 278 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: you know, talk to people about your personal experiences. Because 279 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: what he learned is that there's so many people having 280 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: these kind of eaty contact experiences, but no one really 281 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: want to come out. And uh, I go like, yeah, sure, 282 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: So what happened to that guy little he's actually the 283 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:23,239 Speaker 1: biggest spiritual alternative I think alternative science platform owner. So 284 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: I said, look, look, if I want to come out, 285 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: I want to make sure it's going to be honest. 286 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: So I want to come out with my real name, 287 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: real occupation, real address, so not someone hiding behind the scenes. 288 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 1: So yeah, let's do it. Shall that's how dream like. 289 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, we had a first interview with my real name. 290 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: Everything is real. So um, the interview just gone viral 291 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: in China. I think that that was back in two thousand, 292 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. I believe and are just you know, 293 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: people email me hundreds of email comings. Oh my god, 294 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: it's happened to me. But I don't want to come out. 295 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: So that's that's initially how goss things started. We're actually 296 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: learning Chinese. Is you fotog you feel was great, but 297 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot of Chinese, I would say, uh, majority of 298 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: Chinese are very reserved about their own et contact experiences. 299 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: That is mind blowing. You said something very powerful just now. 300 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: Because I'm a big advocate for being who you are. 301 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: There are a lot of people for various reasons. I 302 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: totally understand why they use a different name. They'll use 303 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: their middle name and try to protect their family or 304 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: save their job and their whole identity. And you started 305 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: off like swinging. I love it. I mean, I'm the same, 306 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: this is my real name, and people are like here 307 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: it is I'm like no, no, I did not want 308 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: to be seen as anything different. So that was very 309 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: bold and brave of you from the get go. So 310 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: I love it. And how does your family and coworkers, 311 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: how do they feel about taking the stamps that you have? UM, 312 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: thank you. It didn't take really well. You know the 313 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: reason why most of the Chinese doesn't want to reveil 314 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: themselves like authentic name. They normally use like a pen name. 315 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: UM doesn't want to come out. I don't want to 316 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: talk about it because we are talking about the UFO 317 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: community Hedei in China. So that means you've got extra 318 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: layers of political control on so many topics, you know, 319 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: especially spirituality. UM. So that's why people are in fear. 320 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: What would happen to them if they come out. So 321 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: there's only a few people want to come out to 322 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: use their like a they use their pen names. A 323 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: lot of people doesn't want to come out. So when 324 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: I when I, you know, so had my interview back 325 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: in two thousands seventy gun barrel, because I was only 326 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: a few people will really brave, you know, bold to 327 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: say this has happened to me. This is what happened. Um, 328 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: how my parents take on that sure is not really well. 329 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: My parents never believe in this kind of thing. Nothing 330 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: like you can't even talk to them about that subject matter. Um, 331 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: they are not into it because you know, I use 332 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: everything you know authentic in my occupation name everything. Um, 333 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: my colleagu didn't take really well to ensure you've got 334 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: those kind of um became like during lunch topic for 335 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: my colleagues. But look, there are consequences. They are consequences. 336 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: I have to take hide expansially as a Chinese living 337 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: in senior Australia as a minority race and occupations. The 338 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: lawyers of people like what the heck she's to being about. 339 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: Eventually it's actually got into my firm and people start 340 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: to know what's going on. You know, you've got quite 341 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: a few people rolling their eyes like, oh, like that 342 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: she's another weirdo WENOK firm or something like that. But 343 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: you just have to take because uh, eventually someone in 344 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: our community in China, someone how to come out to say, look, 345 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: this is a real deal. These things isn't real. This 346 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: has happened to me. I hope my experiences doesn't raising 347 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: night with more Chinese that's the prize that people have 348 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: to pay, and I'm happy to come out. So yeah, 349 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: that's wonderful. You know. I love that you have that 350 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: position that you do. You know, I don't generally speak 351 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: on race when it comes to these topics, but a 352 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: lot of people just assume with me that I might 353 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: be one ethnicity or something. But I'm bi racial and 354 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: people are, you know, and not until they look up 355 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: my photo and they're like, whoa hold on? And I'm 356 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: like yeah. But it's nice to get those emails from 357 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 1: people who say, well, you look just like me, you know, 358 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: and you took a step or and I'm like, I 359 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: could not take a step forward, you know. So I 360 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: really applaud you for doing this yet again because it's uh, 361 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: it's overdue. It's so overdue. How do you so true? 362 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: That's why we need the more people like us, you know. 363 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: When Lisa introduced you to I was like, oh my god, 364 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: that's great. I said to Lisa, we finally got another 365 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: female in the community. Because we youtubes right, there are 366 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: so many like a guy. I mean, I love them. 367 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: They don't great, but it's a lot of information from 368 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: North America and so concentrated and a lot of males, 369 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: but we need the more females in our community. Someone 370 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: both as you know, maybe you and I. This has 371 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: happened to us and we need you. We did see 372 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: more that indeed, indeed, and you know and I still 373 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: to the stake that. But where have you been? I'm like, um, 374 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: I wrote my book in nineties seven and published it 375 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: in two thousand one. I've been out here a long time, 376 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: but women, especially minority women, were ignored. However, my information 377 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: grew without my name, attached shadow people hat man, so 378 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: people knew that material, but nobody gave credit back, you know. 379 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: So again, women trying to make a stance is a 380 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: bigger challenge. So I don't know. I do give you 381 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: a credit to You are very brave to come out 382 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: and host these you know channel that is great. I 383 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: feel like a well down hattie. You're awesome. Thank you. 384 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: I enjoy it. I love helping people, so hey, and 385 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: I feel that coming from you as well. Thank you. Yes, 386 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: So do you have uh any kind of advice that 387 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: you give to people? I'm sure you're getting the emails 388 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: like just pouring at you like you did this? How 389 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: did you do it? And you know what are you 390 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: telling the folks that are reaching out to you about 391 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: uh so, I want to share some insights about Chinese 392 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: UFO community. One of the major saying I discover, which 393 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: is really surprised me how to, is after the first 394 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: interview gun Barrow in China back in two thousand and seventeen, 395 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: I've been invited to you know, all sorts of different 396 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: interviews and this and that, and then I've got hundreds 397 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: of emails putting. But I didn't dream my first interview 398 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: talk about anything negative at all. My first interview was 399 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: very positive. But what's funny about the emails which I received. 400 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: There are more than seventy percent the emails are received 401 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: are seeking help. The emails content from Chinese local Chinese 402 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: things like oh my god. The first letels like oh 403 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: my god, you know, totally resonated with me. This has 404 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: happened to me, blah blah about eat content. But I 405 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: have to let you know and what happened. Seventy percent 406 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: emails will talk about them. You know, they face a 407 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: lot of you know, obstacles in life and also the 408 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: negative attacks from those beings, and they have no clue 409 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: how to handle these situations because you know how in China. 410 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: It's a very lack of information due to the information control. 411 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you know not. That's another topic 412 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: we can explore further for the next coun trying not 413 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: got a firewall Internet firewall. That means all the information, 414 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: like we can't use Google, no Google, no YouTube, no Facebook, 415 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: no what'sapp. Like all major websites that you can browse 416 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: in the Western countries we do not have in China. 417 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: We have the equivalent sort of like equivalent websites or 418 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: apps in China, like we don't have a Google, but 419 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: we have what's that calledify do and we don't have 420 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: to what's app or we have a wee chair. So 421 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: they are limiting information sort of very limited. So that's 422 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: why when I receive those emails, some people like, oh 423 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: my god, resonate with me, but sorry, oh no no, 424 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, well let's explore that a little bit further. 425 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: After the break, you guys are listening to Dark Becomes 426 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: Light on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 427 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: am Paranormal podcast Network. Stick around if you feel stressed, 428 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: suffer from fatigue, moodier than usual, or would like to 429 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: fall asleep easier and sleep more soundly while losing weight. 430 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: Do we have something for you? Accelerate and Elevate. 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You are 475 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 476 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a m 477 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: ter normal podcast network. And just before the break, I 478 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: introduced Shaoma, who is just blowing my mind. She is 479 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: quite the groundbreaker when it comes to the topic of 480 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: ufology and consciousness and those who are experiencing these things 481 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: in China that have very few outlets or even the 482 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: ability to communicate with each other. And you're just discussing 483 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: some of those ways and methods that people are reaching out. 484 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: But it breaks my heart that there's a limitation on us, 485 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: because this is the way that you know, a lot 486 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: of people are making a lot of ground and what 487 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: it is that they're experiencing because we can link up, 488 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: we can reach out, we can discuss these things online, 489 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: and but China has this limitation unfortunately, and you took 490 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: a step forward that if you have. I love the 491 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: fact that you're so bold and brave to be doing 492 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: what you're doing, and you're hearing a lot of feedback 493 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: about what it is that people are experiencing out there. 494 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: So I'll allow you to please continue. I want to 495 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: you're more sure, so just talking about the content that 496 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: I received from those views, uh, more than seventy percent 497 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: us seeking help part of the help but relating to 498 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: no emotional counseling parts. People going through the you know, 499 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: hot timing their alive, they see what to do, how 500 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: to do it, and you know, they may have a 501 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: night time encounter with it beings. They are not sure 502 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: how to take that experience. So a lot of times 503 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: people just look for a validation basically, someone like me 504 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: who had a very similar experience like them to say, yeah, 505 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: I believe it's a real deal. It's great, it's not 506 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: just a dream. Um. But what really concerns me is 507 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: another type of email to say, hey, look great info, 508 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: but this happened to me. I had you know, negative 509 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: attack the nighttime abcit. What should I do? What really 510 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: breaks my heart is that hardly because there's an Internet firewall, 511 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: it's very limited information in China in terms of how 512 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: to handle certain situations like that. As you may aware 513 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: that at this stage, well you know, disciplanet is actually 514 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: going through a darkest hourse at this stage. You know, 515 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of spiritual warfare around the world, so 516 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: people sometimes attack the nighttime or they may have a 517 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: really bad mold, so they just don't know how to 518 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 1: handle that situation in China especially, So my information, all 519 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: I can do is you know, looking for some great 520 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: videos on Internet and you know, hopefully they can uh 521 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: they can build it in China. How they do it 522 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: is they've got a certain thing called vp N Not 523 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: sure if you heard about that or not. So VPM 524 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: is a is an app that would allow them to 525 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: jump the Internet firewall from China so that they can 526 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, brows YouTube and Google and other Western website 527 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: to found the information they need. But the issue is 528 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: um VPM is actually officially speaking illegal in China. So 529 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: if you really want to buyas you can you know 530 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: some people you do that, but it's really difficult to 531 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: jump the Internet firewall. So that means it's extremely limited 532 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: in China. Uh like like information in China in terms 533 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: of how to handle those situations ready that as Wow, 534 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: that's it's amazing to me. It's like, oh gosh, I 535 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: remember back in the day when this whole topic of 536 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: upology and the whole alien phenomenon was gathering steam where 537 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: people were having meetings. I sat in on so many 538 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 1: meetings folks that were wondering where their PTSD came from, 539 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: and then they get hypnotically regressed, and and it was 540 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: wonderful to have others to bounce things off from. And 541 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: I can't imagine not having that that that outlet, because 542 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: I know I get the emails, and you're talking about 543 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: it here now about these folks that reach out and 544 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: they're depressed. They're oppressed, and and they're they're they're losing 545 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: their jobs, are losing their sleep, they're losing their families 546 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: if they dare even speak of these things, and so isolating, 547 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: so isolating, it is even moresolately in trying to keeping 548 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're poking about the commist country and you 549 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: know how to like yeah truly, and you also dig 550 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: into the history of what appears to be alien knowledge 551 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: technology from the past. And that's something that you spoke 552 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: about a recent conference. So I'm I'm curious about some 553 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: of that work that you've been doing. Yeah, thank you. 554 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: So that was my a topic presentation topic for these 555 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: year's contact in the Desert Conference. Um so yeah, I 556 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: want to talk about archaeology as well. Part of the 557 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: reason just people are quite fascinating in you know, ancient 558 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: alien topic, and some people doesn't know. Maybe in China. 559 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,479 Speaker 1: We have so many pyramids in China, um, so many 560 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: of them, but it's an explored topic. So maybe that 561 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: can be my next presentation topic to talk about the 562 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: pyramids in China, what's hidden and the nees. But funny enough, 563 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: in China, if you want to do some like archaeology digging, 564 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: you need to get a permit from the government. Any 565 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: illegal big being we will send that person into jail 566 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: for at least ten years, so it's strictly controlled. Again. 567 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 1: Um so yeah, it's it's an interesting topic to focus 568 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: on for the next presentation, I guess about Asian alien 569 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: and then my sterious pyramids in China. So yeah, my goodness, 570 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing to me that, you know, here's China. 571 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: Of course they would have the limitations on the people 572 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: to be able to find this hidden knowledge. In the 573 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: United States, it's no better. I mean, we're like, hold on, 574 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: I swear you know this farmer over here dug up 575 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: some bones. The government came in and suddenly you know, 576 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: where is this. Oh it's nothing, it's just animal bones. 577 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 1: Now it wasn't. You know. This is a global problem 578 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: of knowledge that Australia too, we have similar issues. It's 579 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: a shame. What do you think is going on? Why 580 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: would they want to limit this knowledge? Yeah, I think 581 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: that a certain group of elites in our community of 582 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: or not just you know, global speaking, they probably doesn't 583 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: want mass is to be awakened. I mean the message 584 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: in you know, in China and US in other countries, 585 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: which is pretty sad at but if all the resources 586 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: highly you know, they might manage certain parts of the 587 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: government in certain parts they just don't want to people know. 588 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: You know, I heard very similar stories from my friends 589 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: in Australia. You know, some people may digging a very 590 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: elongated scale in Australia and they try to sabotage it. 591 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: So those things that do have nothing around the world, 592 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: but just certain countries are more relatively speaking controlled than 593 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: other countries at this stage. As they say, with knowledge 594 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 1: comes power, and they want the power. So of course 595 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: of course they would trying to limit this. And you know, 596 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,479 Speaker 1: something that you touched on to it. It's of course 597 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: one of my I think it's one of the more 598 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: important topics out there in the world. Is the spiritual warfare. Yeah, 599 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: let's talk about that. I love yes, I Oh my goodness, 600 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: because there's a battle being fought in the privacy of 601 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: people's homes and and they survived the night feeling as 602 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: if they almost didn't make it. And then they have 603 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: to crawl out of bed and go to work and 604 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: pretend like none of it happened. Oh my god, is 605 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: it's that's the hardest pot hot he is. Yeah, it's um, 606 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: it's devastating, and uh, I feel it's it's a problem. 607 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm always racking my brain. What is the 608 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: best way that we can get people more comfortable to 609 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: speak about these things as we do about anything like 610 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: the television show you watched last night, or you know whatever. 611 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,280 Speaker 1: It is, just to have a more casual tone instead 612 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: of like, oh, this is that freaky topic. We have 613 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: to go sit in the dark room where nobody can 614 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: hear us. How can we bring us out into the open? 615 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: How do you try to bring this out into the open? 616 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: And uh, and casual conversation with colleagues, friends and family Yeah, 617 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: that's a great topic, Healty. What actually learned is that 618 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: it's just my perspective. I mean, I think a lot 619 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: of time is to do with, uh, the evolution of 620 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: a soul. There's a there's a certain soul they are 621 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: more advanced. And also there's certain so they have a 622 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: certain personality traits. So I think somehow we've been programming 623 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: a certain way that I could be bold and brave 624 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: and come out like, don't give a fuss, I just 625 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: this is me, this is my name, this has happened 626 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: to me. Um. But certain people they are more conscious, 627 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: more reserved. For example, in China, like there are less 628 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: people willing to come out because it's to do with 629 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: our culture, Chinese culture. Um, A lot of Chinese they 630 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: are very reserved about talking about these kind of supernatural things. UM. 631 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: Not like like saying America another you know, um, Western 632 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: people like something happened to them, so, oh my god, 633 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: let's jump on my care this happened to me yesterday. 634 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Let's recorded. You know, you can 635 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: see a lot of things highly like on YouTube, people 636 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: do record, um, their conversation with friends talking about their 637 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: experiences and the view. Like me, we can learn from it, like, 638 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: oh that happened to this jube blow that resonates with me. 639 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: That's how he does it, That's how I need to 640 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: do what not to do? You know? But in China, 641 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: because a lot of Chinese would prefer to spend the 642 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: money like by a short term course and like three 643 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: days Compelinia awaken. I mean it's great, don't give me 644 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 1: a wrong, but you see, they have a different way 645 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: of approach there, you know, psychic attack. When they're being 646 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: psychic attacked, they said, oh my god, that's happened to me. 647 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: What should I do? They don't want to talk about it. Instead, 648 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: they want to spend their money by us three or 649 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: four days course and learn from it. It's quite different 650 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: towards the Western style as like my life journey, I 651 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: want to explore further child with my friend, figure out 652 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: what's going on with Asians were doing things. You're like, 653 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. I just want 654 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: to learn more like a course, what to do how 655 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: to do it? So my answer to you in short 656 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: is I think for different for different culture, and because 657 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: they have a different personality traits and the culture conditions, Um, 658 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: we have to implement different solutions, Like for Asians, maybe 659 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, like you have more experience than I do 660 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: about that subject matter, maybe you can do when they 661 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: crash course on how to handle that situation. So for 662 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: the people doesn't want to come out, they can, you know, 663 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: get on your shell or your website. I learned from it. 664 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,439 Speaker 1: I think that would work for Asians. Yet, Wow, it's 665 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: it's I don't know about others, but I'm listening and 666 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm more surprised that they are in China 667 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: more not more in touch with these types of things, 668 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: Like I don't understand a lot of the different cultures 669 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: and the different beliefs, but it just seems like people 670 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: who are not in the Western society that that that 671 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: they're not as Um, how can I say the superstition 672 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: the superstition. I guess there's a superstition that comes along 673 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: with it that I don't quite understand. But we gotta 674 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,560 Speaker 1: get to our next break. 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You are 708 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 709 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,280 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 710 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: podcast Network, and I have Shoo who is speaking and 711 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: opening up my eyes, and I hope a lot of 712 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: you out there are taking this in and just being 713 00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: as impressed as I am that it's the Chinese culture 714 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: is just something that so many of us I know 715 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: over here in the United States, that we're just like 716 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: we have a one track mind, and understanding how the 717 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: world is and the world of uthology is is even 718 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: a deeper mystery in general. And then to think of 719 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: how the Chinese culture interprets it. It's surprising to me 720 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: because like my friends that I have here that have 721 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: different cultural beliefs and uh, you know, grew up a 722 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: different way. It seems that their interpretations, um, they just 723 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: seem more in touch, you know, and it's like spiritually 724 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: inclined and uh just aware, and it's like always fascinating 725 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: to me. So I'm surprised that the Chinese culture it's 726 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 1: like very uh closed off even to discuss these things 727 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: out and open. That's that's what I was trying to 728 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: get across. I'm like, I'm trying to put it into 729 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: words like I'm surprised. I really would think that they 730 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: would be a little bit more open about it. Um, 731 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: don't understand the restraint. I don't. That's you see every interviews, sorry, 732 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: I had in the past in China. Every time, um, 733 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: during the end of my interview, I would say, guys, 734 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: step forward, come out, share about your own counter experiences. 735 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: Even though you know, during those Chinese interviews, I was 736 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: really upbead and try to share the very positive sign 737 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: and encourage people to come out um from the grass 738 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,879 Speaker 1: room level, you know. But to be honest, I've tried 739 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: so many times I didn't actually receive a lot of 740 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: sort of positive reaction. I mean, people are email it's 741 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: a great love it, you know, I want to share 742 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: with you show this is what happened to me. And 743 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: I said, that's great email. You know, wow, so many 744 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: sears happened to you. Why don't you come out and 745 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: the share with others. You know, I can schedule an 746 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: interview for you, I'm saying to those local Chinese and 747 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: a lot of time, the more than reaction you will gallagher, no, no, no, no, no, 748 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. Look, I just want to share 749 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: with you, probably by email. You know that's happened to Michaelle. 750 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: But they tend to not to want to come to 751 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: the public. So and then I propose I changed my strategy. 752 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, guys, if you don't want 753 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: to come out, maybe you could. You could use your 754 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,479 Speaker 1: pen name, you know, come out by a way of 755 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, writing an article to talk about your experience 756 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: and by using a pen name. So everything want to 757 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: be anonymous, right, so it will be pretty cool. Um. Yeah, 758 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: I did receive quite a few responds in a very 759 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: positive way. Quite a few people start to write about it. 760 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: But again it's it's quite so people don't usually want 761 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: to do that. I think majority reason highly because there 762 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of political control in China. So people 763 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: are in fear what would have happened to them if 764 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: they come out. You know, they don't want to see 765 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: the local police knock on their door saying hey, you know, 766 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: they try to silence them. Don't come out to talk 767 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 1: about it. Um because you have to understand, like in China, 768 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 1: because the communist country, the ideology of communism is based 769 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: on the belief that this is a materialistic world. So 770 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: anything to do with spirituality or you know, inter dimensional 771 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: extra dimension stuff and you like your fo things, it's 772 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: going to challenge the core ideology or CCP you know, 773 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: you see what I mean, Like you try to prove 774 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: that there is a world that is beyond three D dimension. 775 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: So even though you don't think you touch on politics, 776 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,439 Speaker 1: but they may, um consider that topic is a very 777 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: sensitive area. That's why people in fear that if they 778 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: come out, they will have some kind of political consequences. 779 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: So even though you come on nothing political, it's just aliens, 780 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: but the government may take it differently. That's amazing and 781 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,959 Speaker 1: it's a wow. It's really, it's just blowing my mind. Um, 782 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's another element that I'm curious 783 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: your take on, because I understand there's this thought out 784 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: there if beings came from another planet, another galaxy and 785 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: they come here just to be rotten to us, you know, 786 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: to be negative, And there's this oh, we're just misinterpreting 787 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: some of the interactions that we're having, um, you know, 788 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: alien abductions and whatnot. And but here you're saying that 789 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: I think he said to have any percent of the 790 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 1: interactions that those from China are having are intrusive and abusive. 791 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: So what do you think about that whole conversation? It's like, 792 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: how could they all be so positive when they're doing 793 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: things not invited? Sorry, could be the way how I 794 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,880 Speaker 1: delivered my message. I believe that a lot of Chinese 795 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: they have a mixture of experiences, and from my perception, 796 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of them do have very positive encounters, 797 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: but the issues hardly It's like our life, right. People 798 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: don't usually talk about the amazing things happened to them, 799 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 1: you know, from molling into the nighttime. They only want 800 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, the negative things and seeking 801 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,919 Speaker 1: help It's like you don't hear much compliments at work, 802 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 1: but if you make a one mistake and for that 803 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: one present chance and people start to make a complaint. 804 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 1: So what I mean is for those emails receive, people 805 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: seek help. So they want to revel the issues in 806 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: their life. So even though I do receive a lot 807 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: of emails talking about their encounter experience with the positive 808 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: beings and beings are more neutral. Um, but they also 809 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: what they really focus on is not just to share 810 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: with me, but also say hi, but also I have 811 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, those spiritual attacks. How could I handle that? 812 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,959 Speaker 1: So um, a lot of time I've got those emails. 813 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: They want to know the solution on how to deal 814 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: with their life situation because they got no one to 815 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,879 Speaker 1: talk to. You know, if it's a great experience, they 816 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: can maybe enjoying by themselves, but if it's a negative. 817 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: Even just when encounter, they were just freaked out. It's 818 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,280 Speaker 1: like what is this about? You know? Oh my god? 819 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, how would I deal with it? So, yeah, 820 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: I wish I can meet you know a few years 821 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: earlier then I said, great, I know expert in this issue. 822 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: I was like, I hear you. I know there's a 823 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: conflict of contact that's going out out there, that it's 824 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 1: not always the same being, even if they seem they 825 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: look similar. Uh, some of the actions of some of 826 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: these banks are not the best. And I hear a 827 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: lot of people saying, yeah, but then they showed be 828 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: something and they taught me something, and and it's like 829 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: I get. It's like when you meet people out on 830 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,959 Speaker 1: the street, there's good and there's bad, or your friend 831 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: might have a bad day and they're not very nice 832 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 1: to you. So I'm always cautious, uh, and telling people 833 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you know, you have to really interpret 834 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: what's going on in the best way because you can't 835 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,920 Speaker 1: always be open to everything from even a person, because 836 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 1: then you're inviting to be taking advantage of an abuse. So. Um, 837 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: So it sounds like that's what's going on in the 838 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: alien community of those that have been abductive and contacted 839 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 1: as well. And it sounds like the same with you 840 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,720 Speaker 1: over there with the Chinese, your your folk community. Yeah, yeah, 841 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the labeled negative encounters. Um, 842 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, part of it could be real deal, you know, 843 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,400 Speaker 1: it could be a negative beings attack, and part of 844 00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: it could be due to the people's fear or drenches 845 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 1: or encounter experience. They missing a being that looks so 846 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,360 Speaker 1: different compared with us, and they may just freak out like, 847 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,160 Speaker 1: oh my god, you know this happened to me, you know, 848 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: have being attacked. But when they under regression, they may 849 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,720 Speaker 1: found out that that's just a different beings they didn't 850 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,400 Speaker 1: do any harm. Um. It's so the so called negative 851 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,479 Speaker 1: encounters really need to be looked into in detail and 852 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,280 Speaker 1: categorize them in different areas. Some of them is nothing 853 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: more than just the mere encounter. Some of them do 854 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 1: need some guidance and help, I believe, yes, yeah, and 855 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: that's the spiritual warfare element, like you're mentioning. So it's 856 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: it's so multilayered, isn't that minding. It's like people think, oh, well, 857 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 1: you see a craft and that's it. No, No, it's 858 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: so much totally resonates with me. Um, yoursels on that. 859 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a very multilayered topic, and the 860 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: people just try to put them into one basket like, oh, 861 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,760 Speaker 1: that's just negative entities. But there are so many different 862 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: types of negative entities around different dimensions, different purposes. Some 863 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 1: of them can be aliens, some of them are just 864 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, astral beings, or some of them are earthbound beings. 865 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: You have a different way of dealing with them. So 866 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: it's it's actually a big topic. Yeah. So yes, the 867 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: parallel universes, the multiverse. I mean, if something can walk 868 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: through the wall, I'm going to guess that they're not 869 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: quite made of the same stuff as your I. So 870 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: there's so many different elements that we have to look 871 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,319 Speaker 1: at and be well rounded as researchers. And I have 872 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 1: to say you're pretty darn well rounded as far as 873 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,799 Speaker 1: all the different things that you look into. So what's new? 874 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: What are what is the direction that you're going? The 875 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: directional want of goal is um? I just wanted to 876 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: Like previously, I was really focused in China, like a 877 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 1: share information about what's happened in the Western world. You know, 878 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,520 Speaker 1: these famous guests talk about the solutions of how to 879 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: handle this situation that situation, because that would be my 880 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,720 Speaker 1: main focus. But nowadays, but it is a fascinating story 881 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: between um. Eventually, my sort of outspokenness captured the CCP's 882 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,760 Speaker 1: attention and they gave me a bit of a hard time. 883 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: At the beginning of two thousand nineteen and they mentioned 884 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,720 Speaker 1: about me in the communist official newspaper it's called Global 885 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,920 Speaker 1: Times quite a few and they really sabotaged my reputation, 886 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: gave me, you know, life threatening those warnings and things 887 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,400 Speaker 1: like that, and I was like, oh wow, so and 888 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 1: they called me as Elien colored leader funny enough, Oh 889 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: my goodness, wow that because I and also successfully held 890 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,560 Speaker 1: to big conferences in China by the end of two 891 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, so things starting to taking like a nice 892 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,760 Speaker 1: nice But my plan with my friends was like, oh great, 893 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,240 Speaker 1: let's just expand photo in the community. So looking invite 894 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 1: more guests like you and arts to try and to 895 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 1: educate people about the subject matter. Well, sign me up. 896 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: I'd be there for it. How can people get ahold 897 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: of you? Oh yes? So my email addresses shall s 898 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 1: h a O dot Ma m a at hotmail dot 899 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,320 Speaker 1: dot com, or you can just found Facebook. So my 900 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: next move is to share more information with my Western 901 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: brother and sisters. Basically, I love it. I love it well, 902 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: shall Ma. I want to thank you so much for 903 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: coming on the show. 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