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Speaker 3: Sharon so sharing a bar soap.

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Speaker 1: Spencer, are you familiar with the quote you can't stand

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Speaker 1: in the same river twice?

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Speaker 3: No, you get it right? Yes? Okay, because who said that?

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Speaker 3: Just people?

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Speaker 5: The water is just always moving by.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't. I bet you it's not. It's

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Speaker 1: someone says that. Mark Twain said it, because that's what

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Speaker 1: happens with every good quote that no one knows who

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Speaker 1: said it. But you can't stand in the same river twice,

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Speaker 1: meaning the water is gone, right. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: can bathe with the same bar soap twice. You'll notice

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Speaker 1: if you watch one over time, it gradually shrinks. If

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Speaker 3: Break, he did not, Really, that's the first. You're not

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Speaker 3: saying it, right, I don't know how to say it right.

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Speaker 3: That is right.

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Speaker 6: It's my best effort.

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Speaker 1: So if you took a bar salt and put.

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Speaker 3: It in your in your privates.

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Speaker 1: And then Yanni say, hey, I borrow your bar soap,

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Speaker 1: it's it's by the time it comes back to you.

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Speaker 1: It's not that part.

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Speaker 2: This seem not hypothetical.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes sometimes you grab a piece of soap and there

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Speaker 5: might be a couple of pubes stuck on there or something.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're clean, Yeah, they're all washed off. This

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Speaker 1: is the second show we've ever done on a tour bus.

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Speaker 1: The first one we did was I don't want to

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Speaker 1: remember when I'm talking about Yiannie with Luke. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did a show on the tour bus. We're on

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Speaker 1: our tour bus. It's over now by the time you

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Speaker 1: get this, because the one we're going to release this episode.

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Speaker 1: But we're on a eight city tour going across starting

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Speaker 1: in uh on a live tour starting in Denver and

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Speaker 1: basically moving across a latitude more or less with some deviation,

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, and and we're doing this in a tour bus.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I had sleeping in my berth last night.

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Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 1: I woke up one time in the middle of the

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Speaker 3: Because the bus was shaking.

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Speaker 6: That's interesting. I didn't have that. But I was trying

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Speaker 6: half this podcast would be us discussing last night's sleep.

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Speaker 3: Already figured out how we're going to fix you tonight. Oh,

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Speaker 3: feel's going to wake up crying about two and you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Brett Brett reeves og go ahead, Spencer.

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Speaker 3: I didn't wake up till ten because I was just

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Speaker 5: Well, if you notice that these bunks are set up

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Speaker 5: in my cabin the whole night. Yes, I'll show you

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Speaker 5: after this. He also fumbled his phone to the bunk

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Speaker 6: Your bottom that light I just turned on the bottom bunk.

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Speaker 5: Okay, there's a switch on top the top switch. Turn

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Speaker 5: that on and then go look at my Why didn't

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Speaker 1: Like a birthmate. Sounds like you're twins.

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Speaker 5: Because I already felt bad because I dropped a cell

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Speaker 6: All the one behind under your pillow.

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Speaker 2: Ch Chess emerged from his bunk at ten am. He

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Speaker 5: I mean that that was exaggeration for sure, But I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I barely got any No one was quiet as.

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Speaker 7: My Yeah, that surprised me.

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Speaker 2: I do. I couldn't achieve a deep enough sleep to

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Speaker 6: I was impressed, you don't hear any vehicles going by?

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Speaker 6: Did you hear any vehicles go by? I mean, we

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Speaker 1: Joining day by Brent Raids, who did not sleep on

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Speaker 1: the bus last night. But he had thirty years in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, and I asked him if he ever raided

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Speaker 1: a bus. Tich She said, yes, Yeah, we.

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Speaker 3: Were actually invited onto the bush. Tom T. Howell was

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Speaker 3: playing in a little town in Bradley County. So you

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Speaker 3: were joking about raiding the bus, Yeah, we were. We

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Speaker 3: probably looked if we looked very hard, we probably could

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Speaker 3: have found something. But turned it into it. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: just it was I don't know where they would have

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Speaker 2: If I had any illegal substance on this bus, do

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Speaker 2: you think you could find it?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Think so?

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Speaker 2: With what level of confidence.

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Speaker 3: The amount of level of pain that I inflicted on

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Speaker 3: you put a dog on?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever watch Tails from the Tour Bus? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have seen that. So you know the dude that

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Speaker 1: made what's that the cartoon? The Texas Cartoon might judge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he made a whole series about the outlaw country

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Speaker 1: era turtle soup. Yeah, he gets into how Johnny Paycheck

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Speaker 1: shot a man in an argument over turtle soup.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets into.

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Speaker 1: How Whalen's bus drivers or Whalen's manager shot Whalen's bus

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Speaker 1: driver and argument over Hamburger's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it blew up a barn.

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Speaker 1: So in Tails from the Tour Bus, they taught there's

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Speaker 1: a guy talking about when Willie Nelson's tour boss they

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Speaker 1: and it's supposed to find the weed and sit down,

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Speaker 1: or talking about how that bought that dog just came

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that at all, No, you get.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so talk about the guy who's bussy riding

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Speaker 1: because he wrote Harper Valley Pta, Who's gonna feed them hogs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Tom t Hall he wrote a lot of the Uh.

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Speaker 3: He was called the storyteller, and he wrote a lot

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Speaker 3: of songs that you know, for other people. But he

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Speaker 3: had a lot of a lot of good, good songs.

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Speaker 3: The Ballad of forty Dollars where it's him, he's He's

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Speaker 3: The song starts out, it's one of my favorites, but

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Speaker 3: he starts. Uh. Him and two other guys got hired

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Speaker 3: really do look black. He look good in black, and

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Speaker 3: talking about the wind or whatever. They talked about his truck.

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Speaker 3: They heard that his truck was already up for sale,

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Speaker 3: and the key the lynch fan of the whole thing

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Speaker 3: at the end of the song and says, yeah, the

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Speaker 3: bad thing is the guy with me forty bucks and

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 6: Oh he wrote that song. That's how I got to Memphis.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I like that song.

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Speaker 1: Oh he wrote that too.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Man, he wrote a bunch of them.

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Speaker 1: That's been covered a lot. Yeah, speaking, Oh, this is great.

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Speaker 1: This is a great thing.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Shoot see, man, I'm tempted here because I got to talk.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of things I want to say about music,

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Speaker 1: which is fitting for being on this bus, which is

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Speaker 1: normally full of musicians. But there's the thing I want

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Speaker 1: to say about getting buried. So I had a plan,

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Speaker 1: like I had it all figured out what I wanted

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Speaker 1: to do when I died with my body, and and

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Speaker 1: now I kind of been changing it around. When I

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Speaker 1: was back home in Michigan, I went looking for a

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Speaker 1: buddy of mine's. Man, it was a buddy mine got

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Speaker 1: killed in high school. A couple of guys got killed

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Speaker 1: in high school. He got killed in high school, and

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Speaker 1: I always remember he uh they when they lowered him

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Speaker 1: down in the grave. His dad climbed down in there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, climbed down in the hole. It was horrible.

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Speaker 1: And I went looking and didn't have a ton of

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Speaker 1: that was, but I couldn't find his deal grave. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Oh, There's there's another the ac DC ride on. You

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Speaker 1: Because we had a lot of great submissions, great songs

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Speaker 1: We sometimes use Doug Durrence song. We're gonna use some

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Speaker 5: So I have a bunch of songs, but.

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Speaker 1: It's a sad song. Sounds like it's not creepy. Oh dude,

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Speaker 1: No, you never raided a green You find all you

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Speaker 1: we were teasing Chester shoes, I wasn't. Yeah Chester had

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, grapes. Great grapes was my well a dream

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Speaker 2: Man, I want to know what what Brent wanted instead

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Speaker 5: Uh said, should I tell the sad story?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, the man? Yeah, just sing it Chester.

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Speaker 5: Oh once my feet stink.

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Speaker 3: That's fine. Spencer. Spencer's throwing over there, his arm around you.

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Speaker 5: We're just getting his arm.

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Speaker 6: So I don't want you to feel too sad.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, story about having.

443
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Speaker 3: Right.

444
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 5: Uh So, when I was a kid, all the way

445
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 5: up until like fifth grade, when i'd smile real big,

446
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 5: my lip would kind of curl over and it looked

447
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 5: like I had three lips. So I ended up not

448
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 5: ever smile.

449
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a visual for the camera. This

450
00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: is Chester's mouth upper lift. Here's his mouth, and this

451
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: is what you look like.

452
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: How's that look?

453
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: Phil fantastic?

454
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 5: I mean, I had I had some some bunks. I

455
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 5: kind of had some kind of had some buck teeth too,

456
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 5: you know, like three lips and some buck.

457
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, said he before you did.

458
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would. I eventually, like once I knew,

459
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 5: I stopped smiling. I had kids picking on me and

460
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 5: calling me three lips, and I didn't really let things

461
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 5: bother me too much. But eventually that one kind of

462
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 5: I started to realize that, yeah, this isn't quite normal,

463
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 5: you know. So eventually we went to the doctor and

464
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 5: this guy was confident that he could make it better.

465
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 5: And we went there and he cut I kind of

466
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 5: had I don't know what they call that, but the

467
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 5: skin on your legs bridge goes down farther, and it

468
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 5: was down further than normal. He cut that off, and

469
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 5: it made it worse. So you could you could like

470
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 5: fours now. I know it just now. I had it

471
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 5: all the time, you know, so you know, and I

472
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 5: got super self conscious about it, and uh to the

473
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 5: point where I actually had plastic surgery on my upper

474
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 5: lip to get that excess skin removed. Yeah, you got

475
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 5: some old pictures of that old three lips. I gotta

476
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 5: I'm sure I do. I gotta ask my folks and not.

477
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: Having green grapes.

478
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 6: It's called a or a friend alum, three lips.

479
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: But the thing about all this like a lot of

480
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: talk about I'll saw a new friend of mine the

481
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: other day and she's talking about going in and uh

482
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: taking like uh you know, like putting a mask on

483
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: and your phones on and taking like naugenics and stuff

484
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: to try to like tap into your inner problems and stuff. Man,

485
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: I think if I did all that, I'd just be

486
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: thinking about them dridos and shit, sneakers and stuff. You know,

487
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: It's like it's not a big deal, but some stuff

488
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: sticks with you.

489
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 3: That's thirteen.

490
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: Go back to I don't know, I don't know why

491
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: I always think about that. Yeah, it was a weird deal.

492
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 6: You not the two dudes that died in high school?

493
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: No?

494
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: Or what time we I told you about the time

495
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: we went to that airplane wreck watching pulling bodies out

496
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: of that.

497
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: No, it would be uh either way. So here's the deal. Listen,

498
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: we're getting to the meat of the show here. Now.

499
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: We A long time ago? Is that right? That was crazy?

500
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: No, I'm serious, it's the meat of the show. A

501
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: long time ago, we uh had asked for your crazy

502
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: trail cam picks because we want to start doing a

503
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: crazy trail cam pick segment, which I'm committed to because

504
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of trail cameras. I like looking

505
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: at trail camera pictures.

506
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 6: Have we thrown around the idea of doing a crazy

507
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 6: trail camp pick calendar.

508
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: We did, or I thought of it, but we haven't

509
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: done it because we're doing old shitters right now. Yeah,

510
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: but that'd be a good idea, something to keep in mind.

511
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: It would.

512
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: So we had asked for and I just said, like,

513
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: send us your crazy trail camp pictures. We're gonna get

514
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: into our first crazy trail cam picture segment right now,

515
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be about cats.

516
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 6: It's gonna be about cats. But the first picture is

517
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 6: a pig.

518
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: Well that this is a prelude because we didn't do

519
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: a good job of clarifying what we meant by crazy

520
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: trail cam pictures. Uh, there was an overwhelming response. Kren

521
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: can't even get through all the trail cam pictures. But

522
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: this is a note from Krin. I do want to

523
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: clarify the sophicity of our trail cam pick submission parameters

524
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: and ask you to check yourself and be thoughtful about

525
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: what's warranted. This isn't an excuse to send KRIN. I

526
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: don't want to use the word she used to send

527
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: Krinn pictures of fetishists out in the woods, or full

528
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: frontals of some guy taking a whiz onto a bush.

529
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: Oh.

530
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: I think she's mostly joking. But this is an important

531
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: thing because well, we pulled up one example. A guy

532
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: send in a picture of a wild pig and it

533
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: seems like the only thing that he's interested in is

534
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: that it has.

535
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: Its lipstick out five legged home.

536
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like he's like, hey, here's a trailcam

537
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: picture of a wild pig with an erection. So that's great,

538
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: But that's for the whole there's just a limited. There's limited.

539
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: There's limited. Now, if you send in a picture of

540
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: a deer with a greatly enlarged scroll them, that would

541
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: warrant discussion because it could be all sorts of problems,

542
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: and we would send that to a deer specialist. We'd

543
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: send it to a wildlife of a veterinarian who specializes

544
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: in wildlife, and they might come back with, oh, that's

545
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: a very common thing. Could be an engorged tick bite,

546
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: all manner of reproductive ailments, so that would be interesting.

547
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: But just the fact that this hog has his lipstick

548
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: out is.

549
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: But if you look closely, the hog also looks like

550
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 6: it has a unicorn horn or something.

551
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: That's that's ear. Oh, that's his ear. And how it

552
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: looks like he's been marked. See had notch out of

553
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: it right there.

554
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's got is just split. Well that's the

555
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: thing guys will do too, because they'll you know, guys

556
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: will castrate them, catch them, castrate them and turn them

557
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: back out and not their ear with a certain way

558
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: that they'd like to notch them. So they know that

559
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: they're the ones that did it. As the guy put

560
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: to me, uh and Yannie, that takes their mind off

561
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: ass and puts it on grass.

562
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 6: They called it a bar bard.

563
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: Hog bard hall. Yeah, and we went out with them

564
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: and barred a hog.

565
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 6: Sketchy.

566
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he ran right off. Yeah there was you

567
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: done that to me? I'm laid there.

568
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother's in laws you know where I grew up,

569
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: that was having hogs in the woods. Having a hog

570
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: claim was like a deer lease. I mean, you claimed

571
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: from this creek to some other place another natural barrier

572
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: or something, or somebody's property, and all the hogs a

573
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: run on that property.

574
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 8: There was They were hours even though it was public land.

575
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 8: It wasn't public law. It wasn't no huh. This was

576
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 8: down in the pilet's. Timber company owned all the It

577
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 8: was all owned by a timber company. But we would

578
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 8: have a claim in there from one piece of property

579
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 8: to another, and another family would have that as well.

580
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 6: It would be like document it somewhere.

581
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: In the courthouse. Okay, you told your friends, well that's

582
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: where it started, but it would be documented there and then.

583
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: But each family had their own mark. Had the which

584
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: is like a brand, you know, like ours. Was an

585
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: underbit on the left and then a crop on the

586
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: left and then a split on the right. So the

587
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: the underbit was the bottom side of that ear. Hog's

588
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: ear on the left side was lopped off and then

589
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: the end was cropped off so it was blunt and

590
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: then flat on the bottom and the other side. Would

591
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: he just you just take a pocket knife and split

592
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: it so that this is when you bar a hog. Yeah,

593
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: and that's when you cut the castrade. The hog. Well,

594
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: my brothers in laws, they were catching hogs like folks

595
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: did back in the day and cutting hogs and they

596
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: they caught they down there. They were squirrel hunting and

597
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: the dogs bade the spigger hog that had been been

598
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: trying to catch forever. And no, they're digging around in

599
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: their pockets and nobody can find a pocket, knye. But

600
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: my brother's father in law, his brother, I believe it

601
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: was his brother or his uncle had a Prince Albert

602
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: can in his pocket, had Prince Alberton back in a

603
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: ten can. So they he took that Prince Albert can

604
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: and broke it in half to have a sharp edge,

605
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: and that's what they cut that hog with. And said

606
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: when they turned in loose, he didn't he didn't hang

607
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: around either, but he said it was it was pretty wilds.

608
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: So what is the significance unless you're dating it? Who

609
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: cares what market's got? If you catch a hog and

610
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: it's barred, well, unless you know the date, what do

611
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: you care.

612
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: That's what like the that's what folks were feeding their

613
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: families with. That was property.

614
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: No, I understand, I understand that. But you're claiming the area, Yeah,

615
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: it was. Why do you need to have the area.

616
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: There was no fences. Okay, okay, let's.

617
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: Say I'm claiming this the area of this computer, right okay,

618
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: and and uh, this area of the computer's mine.

619
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: And you catch a pig on my thing. I catch

620
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: a pig on my area. Okay.

621
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Now if it's got some other dude's mark, I don't care.

622
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: It's in my area.

623
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: Oh no, that's not the way it works.

624
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Oh it does not work that.

625
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: Well, that's his hog. Oh people respect that, Yeah, Hatfield.

626
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: So you have to catch you have to catch your

627
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: hog in your area.

628
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: If somebody if if if I'm if you catch a

629
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: hog there and it's mine, you send me word. Hey,

630
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: we got this hog, come get it. You want to

631
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: turn him loose or you won't him. That's how it way.

632
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: It's all on the honor system, gotcha. And that's what

633
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: the hat feels with the coy's was that all started?

634
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 6: So where's the real value of having to claim for

635
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 6: the hogs on the on the chunk of land.

636
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: Well, the claim the hog claim was just for you know,

637
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: this is where we operate. This is where our hogs

638
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: are going to be. Your hogs can come through, but

639
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: this is this is our headquarters. This is the place

640
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: where we were gonna we're gonna catch them here. We're

641
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: gonna skin them, we're gonna render them here, whatever we're

642
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: gonna do with them. And then but this is our

643
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: our spot and we're going to turn them loose whatever.

644
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: That was just an area more or less that that

645
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: you did your operation. But there were no fences, yea,

646
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: So it was just free range.

647
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: Was there like not enough freezers then to just kill

648
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: the hogs on the spot and deal.

649
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: With them that way. There wasn't any freezers, no freezers. No,

650
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: you know what this is not in my lifetime. Now,

651
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: this is when my grandparents and.

652
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever heard, when when doctor Randall

653
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: did his dissertation when he's doing is like special PhD.

654
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: He got into the way that American hunting just really

655
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: changed with the freezer. Oh, it's really changed how everything

656
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: went down once you had a freezer, change the way

657
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: people talked about.

658
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: It, the idea of a full freezer, you know what

659
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: I mean. It was just not like that.

660
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Man, you got a deer, you'd get a deer and

661
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: you consumed.

662
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: It, dried it, gave it away.

663
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: But like the whole thing, like filling the freezer obviously

664
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: without a freezer wasn't an issue.

665
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know everybody. Every no, not everybody had

666
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: a freezer. Very few people did. But everybody had a

667
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: smokehouse and you know, smoke their own meat. That's why. Yeah,

668
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: there's a I mean they would last for years. You

669
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: could keep them for years. Yeah.

670
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: You go down in Virginia, man, and they sell those hams.

671
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: They're on the shelf. Yeah, next to like the canned beans. Yeah,

672
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: to damn salty. Yeah, they'd be there forever. So just salt.

673
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: So what does that that look like? I mean it's

674
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 5: literally a ham, super salted smoke. So there's a good

675
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 5: crust on the protective crust on the elk.

676
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you got to purge it all that salt man. Yeah. Now,

677
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: you couldn't eat it. It would be it'd be bad.

678
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: And it's not salt like it's cure and salt. It's

679
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 3: a little different salt than what.

680
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 5: And by just putting it in.

681
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get back to our special camera

682
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: thing because we're we talk about cats first. I want

683
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: to talk about a couple things with trail cams, and

684
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: you guys can throw in far and Away. The number

685
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: one submission we got is cat questions, Far and Away? Cat,

686
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: Oh cat, is this a mountain line.

687
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 6: Oh you got it?

688
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: Is this a mountain lion? Is this a mountain line?

689
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: My body says it's a mountain line. Is this a

690
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: mountain line? This is a mountain line.

691
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: Yes, unless you're in Tennessee.

692
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: You need to just as a trail cam set up. Deal.

693
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: When you get a really good picture and you and

694
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: your body's all swear you got a mountain line in Illinois,

695
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: maybe you do as oar as that. So mountain lions

696
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: have shown an incredible ability. Mountain lions, panthers, catamounts, whatever

697
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: you want to call them, have shown an incredibility to

698
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: show up in weird places. They're going big mega jaunts.

699
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, a mountain line will come out of the

700
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Black Hills and get hit by car in Connecticut. So

701
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: at this point, now twenty years ago, if you said it,

702
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you were crazy. About this point, it's accepted. These things

703
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: show up in weird spots. A couple of show up

704
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin like they show up with weird spots. But

705
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: the first thing you need to do when you got

706
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: to when you're gonna when you get a picture in

707
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: your bodies and you are all arguing about what you

708
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: have on the camera, take a tape measure and go

709
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: over to wherever you think the thing was standing and

710
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: figure out some dimensions. Try to put your camera. If

711
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: you got to put a thing in there, stick a

712
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: thing in there, stick a branch, make something, Yeah, something

713
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: somewhere to use for scale. So if it's just looking

714
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: out over a field, bury some sticks so you can

715
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: start getting a sense of how big was it. We

716
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: get a lot of mountainlin pictures and I look at

717
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: them like, it's just a ditch cougar. That's that the

718
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: house cat. You got a house cat if you go guys,

719
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: go down and look at this one image. So this

720
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: is a very very typical note guy writes in debate

721
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: on whether this is the return of the infamous mountain

722
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: lion that came to Connecticut. Now that okay, that particular

723
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: there was one mountain line that got killed in Connecticut

724
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: and it so he's like, is this another mountain line

725
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: in Connecticut? Could be because we know that it's happened before.

726
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: He says, I think it's just a house cat. But

727
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: he's alone in that camp. Tell me I'm not crazy. Yep, Greenwich, Connecticut.

728
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: His cousin used to have hunting access. Makes you think

729
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: he did something bad and lost his hunting access. It

730
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: was a property once owned by the Rockefeller estate. Oh

731
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: it got sold.

732
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: He didn't do nothing bad.

733
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: Not too far from Milford where the one from South

734
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Dakota was hit by a car. That same mountain line

735
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: was also spotted in Greenwich just days before he was

736
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: hit by the car. So it's possible. But I believe

737
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: it's a house cat. That's a house cat. I concur

738
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: that is a house cat. But here's the thing. Why

739
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: are you and your friends not out with a tape

740
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: measure between that log and those trees.

741
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 6: Well, just just taping the the the diameter of that log,

742
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 6: just measuring the height of that log from the ground

743
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 6: to the top of it would tell you that it's.

744
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: Not one that's an eight inch log and that's an

745
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: eight inch tall house cat.

746
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. And listen, I don't people shouldn't be a shame. Yeah,

747
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 6: but I think people are when they're like, you know,

748
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 6: then that's why there's they They they're so adamant, you know,

749
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 6: once they say it once and they believe it. But

750
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 6: like when we when I went and interviewed all those

751
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 6: biologists in Washington that are dealing with all the mountain

752
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: lions and then talking to them about the calls that

753
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 6: they get. I mean they talk about just how and

754
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 6: then that they've seen it in like the right scenario

755
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 6: where just visual perception and tricks of the landscape that

756
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 6: like it's it's a house cap. But in that scene,

757
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 6: whatever it makes it is, whatever illusion is there, it

758
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 6: looks ten times bigger than it is and you're like, oh, yeah,

759
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 6: it's a lion, and then it's not, you know, And

760
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 6: I think it especially happens in these trail cams that

761
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 6: just like you lose deaf perception.

762
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: It's glowing white because it's at night.

763
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

764
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even like the facial profile. Now, we got

765
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: a lot of submissions where there's just nothing to really

766
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: talk about because there is no thing for scale.

767
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: It was too blurry.

768
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: You're like, I have no idea what that is, and

769
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust anyone. There's not even enough there that

770
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: I would trust anyone to even have an opinion. It's

771
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: sort of like a photograph that just doesn't warrant any

772
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of respectable opinion because the amount of detail is

773
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: so absent. You say, you might look at a picture

774
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: and be like, I can tell that there's something that seems,

775
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, livesh off in the distance. So for a

776
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: lot of those, we couldn't really take it on. But

777
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: this one, and you have this up film. Yeah, okay,

778
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: so if you go and look, we'll post some of these.

779
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: You can go on YouTube and look and you'll see.

780
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: The cat we're talking about. That's ditch cougar. That's a

781
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: house cat.

782
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: Now here's one that's super interesting, super interesting. And I

783
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: gotta predicate this one by saying, you could always be

784
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: getting duped and someone could be sending you a not

785
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: legitimate photo. They could be sending you something they found

786
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: on the internet.

787
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: Whatever.

788
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: We saw some of those and threw them out, but

789
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: some of them you just kind of got to take

790
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: someone out their word. Well, might be writing back and

791
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a dialogue with them. This

792
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: one's interesting.

793
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 7: Hey, everyone filled the engineer here, Steve and the crew

794
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 7: are still on tour. So the responsibility falls on my

795
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 7: shoulders to butt in here, like Ron Howard interested Development

796
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 7: to let you guys know that.

797
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 6: We got duped. That's right.

798
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 7: This picture that we're about to look at and discuss

799
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 7: is not from Baker County, Florida. But it's a melanistic

800
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 7: black leopard from South Africa that's been raising captivity. This

801
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 7: picture has been floating around the internet for years. The

802
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 7: leopard's name is Cole, which is very fitting because that's

803
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 7: exactly what the person who sent this picture in we'll

804
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 7: be receiving in their stocking this year from Santa Claus.

805
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 7: But in all seriousness, we could have cut this out,

806
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 7: but we thought, hey, let's let it in. The discussion

807
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 7: was fun. Let it be a cautionary tale for those

808
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 7: looking at trailcamp pictures on the internet, and that's us included.

809
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 7: So just keep in mind this is not from Florida.

810
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 7: It's the leopard from South Africa. But with that in mind,

811
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 7: back to the show.

812
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: If legit. This one is interesting because here he goes

813
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: real black panthers. This photo was taken at my honey

814
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: club in Baker County, Florida. My dad also had a

815
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: video of a mama panther in two cubs a couple

816
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: of years ago, but he deleted it before I could

817
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: get a video. He says, this is from my friends

818
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: hunting club and Ludawick. I don't tell that is Ludawiki, Georgia.

819
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: It's in the southeast part of the state. So there's

820
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: two of them, now, the.

821
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: Florida one man.

822
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: Everyone knows there's no such thing as a black panther.

823
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: Or do they the.

824
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: World is this?

825
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 6: Are you talking about the one that's the full frontal

826
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 6: of the one that's in the shade.

827
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: That full frontal cat is not a house cat. That

828
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: is not a ditch cougar, barn cat. That is a

829
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: crazy picture.

830
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: But aren't there like.

831
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: It's a black that's not a thing.

832
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 3: Not a thing. No, there aren't any melanistic ones. That's

833
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: my understanding. Now.

834
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: I've also heard that a black panther is a wet

835
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: mountain lion, a black panther is a wet panther, a

836
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: black panther is a muddy panther. I'd like to see

837
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: more of this guy right here.

838
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: Tell you what catches my eye is that rear uh

839
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 6: pat pad paw foot hell cat?

840
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: Like?

841
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 6: Well, and it looks small now they they are smaller

842
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 6: on a cat on the back feet than the front feet.

843
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know, it's something.

844
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 6: Just looks a little odd.

845
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: But it's a black panther looks odd well, yeah, but

846
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: it's like a little it's a little it's a little shiny,

847
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: it's it's a.

848
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 6: Little famished, scrawny looking. That back foot just doesn't seem

849
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 6: quite right.

850
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: He holds out that it's an escape zoo animal, But

851
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell zoo animal.

852
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: That would be.

853
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: And he said he checked around, and he hasn't heard

854
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: of any escape black leopards. Because there are leopards. There's

855
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: a melanistic leopard. Is there a melanistic jaguar?

856
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's what I was That's what I

857
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 3: was asking.

858
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: There was a melanistic leopard. So if someone brought a

859
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: melanistic leopard over from Africa and cut it loose in

860
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: floridaout explain everything.

861
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: But he hasn't caught wind to that. Well, is the

862
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 3: what about the grass? The natural grasses it took there?

863
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: Is that those native grasses? And man, that's something we

864
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: hadn't thought to show.

865
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: We should show that to uh, we should show that

866
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: to Yanni's wife.

867
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't know.

868
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 6: She's gonna say, can you get me a closer picture.

869
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: The seed pod?

870
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: What I can't get over is own like seventy percent

872
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 2: of these pictures sent in or a picture of a picture,

873
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: Like they took their phone and they took a picture

874
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: of their computer screen, and so we've now lost like

875
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: forty percent of the quality through that process.

876
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: That's real common.

877
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Just somebody. You can see the reflection of their house

878
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: from when they took the picture of the picture.

879
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: Right click the photo, save it, and email that to Krinn.

880
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: Don't don't take the photo of the photo. You've like

881
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: ruined what could be an amazing photo by doing that.

882
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: My brother sends me a trail camp fix all the time,

883
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: like that man, did you for all this? But no,

884
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 3: I took a picture with my phone. God, it's like

885
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: when in Flintstone cameras got a bird in there taking

886
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: it that.

887
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: This is a very compelling photograph. We should at least

888
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: send this guy a believer hat for real.

889
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 6: I feel like, yeah, again, we don't know what that

890
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 6: grass is, but it's extremely tall compared to that animal.

891
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

892
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 6: I know there's tall grasses in that part of the country,

893
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 6: but uh.

894
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: It looks like goat weed. It looks like goat weed.

895
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying it is.

896
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 6: I'm just saying it would not surprised me whatsoever if

897
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 6: if it was another ditch cougar.

898
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Dude, Listen, there's a lot of things that could be

899
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: that's not one of them. That head is not a

900
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: barncat's head.

901
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 6: Ale angle light, man, There's just so many things that

902
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 6: play well.

903
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: What this guy would have been really helpful if this

904
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: guy would have done is taken his tape measure. Is

905
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: this thing five feet long or is it eight? Or

906
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: is it you know, twenty eight inches long?

907
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, the the snout just is way longer than your typical.

908
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I understand.

909
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 7: At the same time, my wife and I lived at

910
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 7: a house north of Campus and Bozeman, and there was

911
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 7: like a stray black cat who we called him ja'afar

912
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 7: because he just he he sort of reminded us of

913
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 7: just kind of like a sinister like he looks close

914
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 7: close to this, he had a longer snout. If you

915
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 7: saw him from a distance, you'd be like, is that

916
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 7: a cat or is that.

917
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: Something he really? Like?

918
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 6: They do exist?

919
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: Did you send this picture in film? That's a compelling photo? Now,

920
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: the one down is another interesting thing about trailcam problems.

921
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: When you have an animal cast in shadow, Uh, it's hard.

922
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: And again, where is the tape measure? Because that tuft

923
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: of grass would be a great place to start laying

924
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: out your tape measure because if that tuft of grass

925
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: is ten inches wide, that makes this a really interesting picture.

926
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: If that tuft of grass is two inches wide, it

927
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: makes it not a very interesting picture.

928
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 3: Is that like a is that a gravel road?

929
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know. It's another photo of a computer screen.

930
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: And like if this person's computer screen was facing south,

931
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: it looks like they were standing on the southwest side

932
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: of the computer when they took the photo. There's just

933
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: like no level of detail in it.

934
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: It's that's just gonna kind of hurt everybody's feet.

935
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be an incredible photody's feelings, and

936
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: they're not gonna send anything.

937
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 6: Right, It's like, why wouldn't have you just sent the original?

938
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: I think that maybe we should have in our Yeah,

939
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: only what kind of case Amercy Runnings run the mute?

940
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah he should, Yeah, send send the originals. And but this

941
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: is a learn because this is the first segment. Yeah,

942
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: so I'm using cats because they come up. I select

943
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: the cats. We'll get into the next segment. Maybe it's

944
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: diseased animals. I don't know, it's animals with with wounds,

945
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: it's animals carrying arrows sticking out of them whatever, today's cats.

946
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: But it's meant to be a little bit of a primer,

947
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: a help around how to help yourself. Yeah, don't send pictures.

948
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: Of pictures of pictures.

949
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: Try to get us the actual picture and try to

950
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: do a little bit of Take a thing of known scale,

951
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: Take an item of known scale, Take a five gallon

952
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: bucket and go out, if you know, at a minimum,

953
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: take a five gallon bucket, go out, set it where

954
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: you suspect that animal standing, and take a test photo

955
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: and capture that and then put together a little dossier

956
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: of information that we can then share with experts to

957
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: help us out.

958
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 5: Fact sheet.

959
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 2: Yep, Johanny, what's your craziest trail camp photo? Anything exciting?

960
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 6: I don't you know. We've I get a lot which

961
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 6: I find exciting. Is interesting is I'll get bobcats with

962
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 6: uh prey fresh prey in their mouth, you know, their

963
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: cruising around with like a squirrel or you know, a grouse.

964
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 6: That's always interesting. I've gotten a couple collared wolves in Wisconsin. Yeah,

965
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 6: and our neighbor to the south, I mean literally bordering us,

966
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: got a mountain lion picture this year.

967
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: Really one just got hit. No, I think he got

968
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: hitting mensoba.

969
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 6: Well the guy, you know, the guy that in self

970
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 6: defense shot the one with the bow in Wisconsin and

971
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 6: that wasn't too far from us.

972
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: Oh I heard about that? Was that legit? Yeah, whole defense?

973
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: Like what do you mean? What does you mean?

974
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 6: Like the guy, the guy just said that he felt

975
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 6: like that cat was getting ready to come into his

976
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 6: tree and and and tussle with him, and he did not.

977
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 6: He felt, you know, fear for his life.

978
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: Pedro wrote a good article on it, not to meat

979
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: eater dot com.

980
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: I think yep, and I saw. I gotta get more

981
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: educated on that. Keep scrolling down because this gets that.

982
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: This gets great in terms of cats.

983
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: I've held on to.

984
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: This photo for a few years now. This is in

985
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: reference to one from another Connecticut one. Well, jeez, and

986
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: very seldom to break it out to show someone. Allow

987
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: me to elaborate. You see, my home state is in Connecticut. No,

988
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: his home state is Connecticut. His home state is not

989
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: in Connecticut. And people lose their minds if you say

990
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: mountain lion. If a questionable photo pops up, it's immediately

991
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: discredited as a line. Yeah, Oh, it's immediately DISCREDI if

992
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: if a photo pops up and you say it's a line,

993
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: it gets immediately discredited. People refuse to believe there could

994
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: ever be one in the state, even when and I

995
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: believe it's been mentioned on the previous podcast, one was

996
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: hit by a car in twenty eleven. I've seen many

997
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: bobcats while sitting in the trees in the fall. I'm

998
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent, but my gut leans toward a

999
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: mountain line. He apologizes to Clay that it is not

1000
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: a black panther north Stonington, Connecticut, right on the border.

1001
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: Of the Rhode Island Bobcat.

1002
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm going one hundred percent Bobcat. But that leads me

1003
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: to my point. The bummer is the tails absent, which

1004
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: also leads me a thing. How many photos do you

1005
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: have set and do you have video? I'm asking his

1006
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: feller because if he had a three, if he had

1007
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: a three photo spurt separated by a couple seconds, he'd

1008
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: probably have a doozy. But if he's got a single photo,

1009
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna wind up always being disappointed. And if you

1010
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: have there's another thing to keep in mind, because some

1011
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: people don't realize this. If you have a cellular ca

1012
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: and you're allowed to use cellar their cameras in the area, Uh,

1013
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: generally you you'll get texted or emailed whatever one but

1014
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: the card holds the video. You follow me. So if

1015
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: you had this thing on a burst of photos, you

1016
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: might have caught him when you could see his butt

1017
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: and see what he had for a tail. I think

1018
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: that I think you're looking at a bobcat, especially because

1019
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: the dude says he sees bobcats all the time. I

1020
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a skinny summer pelt bobcat, and

1021
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: he dissenters.

1022
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 6: I don't see enough fluff to his head to make

1023
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 6: me think Bob the all the summer bobcat.

1024
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that picture is in Montana, I'd be like, yeah,

1025
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: it's like eighty percent chance that's Bobcat. But uh, Connecticut,

1026
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: because it looks like a bobcat. Say bobcat.

1027
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Now, the next photo is a really good one, is it? Yeah,

1028
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: because because it's one that you can absolutely solve. Okay,

1029
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: it's the only one that can be categorically solved. This

1030
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: one looks like photo inception. You've got like someone took

1031
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: a picture of a computer screen, and then someone took

1032
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: a photo of that screenshot. Yeah, and now we're like

1033
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: four layers removed from then his mom took a picture

1034
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: and sent it to us. But I like this one

1035
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: because it's solvable. It's a cat squat and in tall grass,

1036
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: very poor quality. If you were walking through. You remember

1037
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: in the old days when you used to be able

1038
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: to have your TV set on static, like because you

1039
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: had like three channels, and if it was on any

1040
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: other channel, it was just like static. We called the

1041
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: bug Show when we were kids. You think that this

1042
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: was just a set on static, But if you look carefully,

1043
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: you start to make out.

1044
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: That it's a cat that tale.

1045
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: But yes, you okay, where does he say?

1046
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1047
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: Southeastern Minnesota on a watering hole. We have not been

1048
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: able to figure out what this is and it's been

1049
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: a topic of discussion. Is it a deer, no bobcat,

1050
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, or mountain lion, we will talk

1051
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: about it. Aaron, Aaron, go to the right end of

1052
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: that cat. First off, where's your tape measured? Second, go

1053
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: to the right because you'd be able to go to

1054
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: that spot. The clumps in the grass would guide you

1055
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: right to that spot. Go to the right side of

1056
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: that picture. That cat is squatting and taking a piss

1057
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: and its tail to not get soiled. His little bobcat

1058
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: tail is curled up and black tipped. Its tail is bobbed.

1059
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: It's a bobcat one hundred percent.

1060
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 3: That's what it looks like.

1061
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Bobcat.

1062
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 3: And you if you look I was looking. I was

1063
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 3: trying to find the spots. But if you look right,

1064
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: look at that. But they have poor spots out there.

1065
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: Ain't that spots really you think? I mean, that's why.

1066
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: That's why they're not valuable. That's why a bobcat can be.

1067
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: That's why a bobcat from the high desert, you know,

1068
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: like a bobcat from the high desert like the Mojave

1069
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: or something, or all Manner areas and Idaho places in

1070
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: Utah whatever can be worth a thousand bucks, and then

1071
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: a bobcat from Michigan can be worth fifteen bucks.

1072
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: They just don't have the spot quality.

1073
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: They don't have good they don't have a white belly

1074
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: and black spots on it. They're dirty colors. They don't

1075
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: have clean spots. Like when I was a kid, we

1076
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even I wasn't even trying to catch bobcats

1077
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: because they're worth nothing. And meanwhile guys are selling.

1078
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 3: Them for eight hundred bucks, thousand bucks, twelve hundred bucks.

1079
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 5: Montana cats are can be valuable.

1080
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: What about a southern bobcat?

1081
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: No, like the spot wise, No, it's not good.

1082
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: No spots.

1083
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: You want high country usually, yep.

1084
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: You want they get They get valuable when you got

1085
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: If it's four fingers wide on the belly and pure

1086
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: white with very cleanly defined black spots, that's the value

1087
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: that that's going to wind up on an oligark's wife.

1088
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: You know what, It's going to wind up lining the

1089
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: coat of an oligark's wife.

1090
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 6: I learned recently, speaking of furs. I was thinking about

1091
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 6: getting one of my first light, big puffy down jackets

1092
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 6: lined with a kyo. You know that I had.

1093
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm fixing to do that.

1094
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 6: And uh, I didn't know this, but like you also

1095
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 6: rate the kyo, it's by how many of those rounds

1096
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 6: that you get. And I didn't know that it's cut

1097
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 6: like this. It's it's a circumference piece, not a length piece.

1098
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: Until recently it makes total sense. Yeah, you take cut

1099
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: it like you're cutting firewood. Yea, and yeah. Once someone

1100
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: said that to me, I.

1101
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 3: Was like, man, it makes a hell of a lot

1102
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 3: of sense. There's a guy that lived in a neighborhood

1103
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: and i'll say a neighborhood. He lived in the country

1104
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: where we lived, and he talked about making shoelaces, bootlaces

1105
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 3: out of squirrels, squirrel hides. I think high in the world,

1106
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: could you make a you know, a pair of bootlaces,

1107
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 3: leather bootlaces out of a squirrel And he said, well,

1108
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 3: it's easy. And they tan it and tack it up

1109
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: on the barn, on the side of the barn, and

1110
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: they take a knife and they'd cut it in swirls

1111
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: like that, circles. Yeah. And then he said that you

1112
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: would wear out a pair of broken shoes before you

1113
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: broke a squirrel a pair of squirrel laces. Oh, you're

1114
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: kidding us. What he said that they was absolutely tough.

1115
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: I'm doing that, man, that's interesting. I've never done it. Now.

1116
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: One time I took a buffalo hide and took a

1117
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: knife and started doing that, cutting a half inch wide

1118
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: strip of leather around the edge.

1119
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: You guys, you can make something, I mean, oh yeah, you.

1120
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: Get one hundred yard layer one hundred yard just by

1121
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: doing that round and round and round. That's what people

1122
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: do to make those big, long, big long leather ropes.

1123
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: How many squirrels if you ten, Steve, I mean we

1124
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: used to.

1125
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: Try to tan them we were kids. We never got

1126
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: one to successfully work out. We would take uh, you know,

1127
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: saddle soap and stuff and try to rub it in

1128
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: there and it never worked out.

1129
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: What do you think the shortcoming was?

1130
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: Pre internet?

1131
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Okay, you got it. People don't membery like people like

1132
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: you don't know this. You used to not be able

1133
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: to find things out.

1134
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: In the encyclopedia if you looked it up, it was

1135
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: only current to the day that book was printed. Yeah,

1136
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 3: there was one we had in our house. Was one

1137
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: they got my brother when he was I mean they

1138
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: were ten years old. There were countries and everyone in

1139
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 3: the same name.

1140
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, man. You'd look and be like the

1141
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire, what where's that exactly?

1142
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 5: We used to try and tan like rabbits and squirrels

1143
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 5: with remember that orange bottle like orders that you yeah,

1144
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 5: and we'd always get Yeah, we'm we saw them salt

1145
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 5: them and cure them and that stuff. But they always

1146
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 5: just which hids do turned you know, a rock solid

1147
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 5: and we just never had the patience to break them

1148
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 5: and soft to stick.

1149
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: Put them on a stake in board and do that. Yeah.

1150
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: I was living for a while Missoula and there was

1151
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: this kind of old hippie couple next to me in

1152
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: the house.

1153
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 3: Next to me, Oh, you want.

1154
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: To hear a story, not about them, but about that house, dude?

1155
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: When I, uh, I never.

1156
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 3: Really told the story that time I took someone to

1157
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: small claims court.

1158
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: Mm hmm was that the only time? Yeah?

1159
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: And the judge was so mad at him, they yelled

1160
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: at him. Really, I got my money, I walked out

1161
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: of there.

1162
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: The judge was when I got that person, finally got

1163
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: that sum bitch into into the small claims court. The judge.

1164
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: I laid out my whole deal. And the judge never

1165
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: even wanted to hear them whatever they call mitigat or whatever.

1166
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: Didn't you want to hear what they had to say?

1167
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: Tell them laid into them.

1168
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: Really, Oh yeah, I'll tell you real quick. I'll try

1169
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: to tell us quick. Okay.

1170
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: Anyways, next door is this old hippie couple of no

1171
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: brain tan deer hides. But I was surprise how much

1172
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: they shrank whatever process they were using real like, they'd want,

1173
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, the good sized deer, and you'd wind up

1174
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: somethings like, you know, really I mean small.

1175
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. I could never figure out why their stuff was

1176
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: shrinking so bad.

1177
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 5: I wonder if that's typical for brain tans.

1178
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: Oh, no, I'd like to get into it. It's just

1179
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: one of those things like chess brain tanning. There's just

1180
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: certain things. I'm not going to go down that path,

1181
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?

1182
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, chess?

1183
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: Is that what you said?

1184
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: Just certain things that just seemed like a deep hole,

1185
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, and once you go into it, once you

1186
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: go into it, it's just you're never gonna get to.

1187
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 3: The bottom of the hole. Uh huh. You know you

1188
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 3: follow me, and so I don't go near your stuff.

1189
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll check this out. I'll try to explain

1190
01:00:59,040 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 3: it real quick.

1191
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: We're living in this house, and you know, sometimes when

1192
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: you're in a lease and you get a new like,

1193
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: you're always trying to time your moves so that you

1194
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: don't pay rent in two places at once. But me

1195
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: and my buddy were in this one house and this

1196
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: other house that we really wanted to came up and

1197
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: we just had to do one of those deals where

1198
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: it sucks. We had to pay the two rents, but

1199
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: in the long time it was advantageous, like we'd recover

1200
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: our money's our new place was cheaper, so we had

1201
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: to play pay two rents. We're paying simultaneous rents. We

1202
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: moved most of our stuff out of the house and

1203
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: we're in our new house. But then our other house

1204
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: that we're paying rent on. It's like the seventh of

1205
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: the month that house burns down to the ground. Not

1206
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: our fault. It started in the wiring and the it

1207
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: started in the wiring somewhere in the house. The fire

1208
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: department did an investigation. They're like, there was a wiring issue,

1209
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the tenants. We weren't even there anyway,

1210
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: So cere.

1211
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: A moment where you thought it could have been your fault.

1212
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know, but I mean they like very quickly, well, no,

1213
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: because we weren't in there, so I mean, we didn't

1214
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: do it. It wasn't that we were partying or something

1215
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: and someone caught something on fire. I wait a respectable

1216
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: amount of time and I go to the landlord and

1217
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: I say, I need my rent back from the seventh

1218
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: to the end of the month because the house doesn't

1219
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: exist anymore, and I'm renting it, right And they're like, well,

1220
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: you're not living there anyway, to which I said, well,

1221
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: we had a bunch of stuff in there and it's

1222
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: now gone and it's none of your business and I

1223
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: could be renting it. It's like I could have never

1224
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: stepped footing there. Ever, what's it to do with you?

1225
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: If I wanted to go there, it was mine to

1226
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: go to. I'm renting it. How do you know where

1227
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm going. The only reason you know I'm not there

1228
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: is because I told you I'm not there. It has

1229
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the issue whether I'm sleeping there

1230
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: or not. It's like, it's gone, it's not my fault,

1231
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: and you can't rent me a thing that is burned

1232
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: down because you have faulty wiring.

1233
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: They wouldn't give me the damn money.

1234
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: So eventually get down to the small claims court and

1235
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: I come in here and I got the fire department

1236
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: report and all these pictures and paperwork, and I get

1237
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: to go first and I lay my thing out and

1238
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: that judge turns to that landlord and they're like, you know, she's.

1239
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 3: Like Oh, you just cast them checks when they come

1240
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 3: in month after month after month. In the minute, there's

1241
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: a problem. You can't be found that landlord.

1242
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: And you gained some faith in the American courtses.

1243
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, yeah, yeah, I was like, I was

1244
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: like Lee Green would walk on. I don't know what's

1245
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: next on trail cams. A lot of disease stuff, keep

1246
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: sending them in. But try to take some lessons from

1247
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: what we discussed today. Two primary lessons being Spencer, the

1248
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: original photo and the tape measure. And this segment will

1249
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: improve greatly when we have those things.

1250
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of it's it's not coincidence that a

1251
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 6: lot of these questionable animals come in the form of

1252
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 6: a questionable picture.

1253
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: So, uh, we haven't got any pictures of wolverines faker

1254
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: real yet. However, a little interesting news bit is, uh, Colorado,

1255
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,479
Speaker 1: after they're very contentious ballot initiative to reintroduce wolves, which

1256
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: got a lot of people fired up, they're now shooting

1257
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: to reintroduce wolverines, which I'm predicting will encounter zero.

1258
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: Pushback.

1259
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: I say, that's a great idea.

1260
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't gonna bother nobody.

1261
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: Well, Brody says this, Brody feels that knowing police, knowing

1262
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: the governor in Colorado, and how antagonistic he is to hunters,

1263
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: that uh, that this will quickly.

1264
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: Be used to put in further fur trapping restrictions. Oh,

1265
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: like I put riders on this field, it'll be the wolfrail.

1266
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: Oh now we have old rings and we don't want

1267
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: someone accidentally catching the wolverine. Therefore you can't do X,

1268
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: Y and Z. But if you do the reintroduction, we'll

1269
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: go in as an experimental population, so it'll be a

1270
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: little bit different. Maybe Brody's being a little cynical, but

1271
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: Brody's watched Colorado change a lot in the current administration,

1272
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: like I said, is so outwardly antagonistic to hunters, and

1273
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: the governor has also expressed support for ending fur trapping

1274
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: all together, express support for protecting black bears and mountain

1275
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: lions from any hunting regardless of population levels. So Brody

1276
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: a very own Brody.

1277
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: Henderson is.

1278
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: Supportive of wolverines being on the landscape, but not supportive

1279
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: of what the end goal might be. If this is

1280
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: just an honest deal to to bring in wolverines, great Wolverine's.

1281
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 3: Coolah, They're traditionally there aren't they in that.

1282
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: Area in the high country. Problem with wolverines, we've gotten

1283
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: to this a couple of times. It's just their hard

1284
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: animal to count.

1285
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: How many of you seen in your life? One that

1286
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: was in Alaska?

1287
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 5: I saw one on that I saw one on the

1288
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 5: moose hunt that we were at with these guys. It

1289
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 5: was incredible how much it moved. It was going in

1290
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 5: where those wolves were.

1291
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 3: Remember you saw wolverine on that trip. Yep.

1292
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 5: Oh, it was running from miles away and I first

1293
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 5: thought it was like a bear, and it was like

1294
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 5: running for a couple of miles just right to where

1295
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 5: those wolves were. It got right into where those wolves

1296
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 5: were and sit down in wherever that kill was.

1297
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen one linx and one wolverine. I hope

1298
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 3: to grow those numbers.

1299
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: Did you have any trail cameras in Alaska at your fishk.

1300
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: I have not currently.

1301
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: I I really, I you, I really should just right now.

1302
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I don't. I'm in a plaster that place. Next

1303
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: time I'm up there.

1304
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 2: Would that be a hard landscape to like have game

1305
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: walk within ten feet?

1306
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 3: Oh? When I had one in there, just I got

1307
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 3: tons of images.

1308
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 5: There's deer and bears.

1309
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 3: Martin black bears, black tails predominantly. Yeah.

1310
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: No, it's a great place to have them out just

1311
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: right now, don't And I know right where I have

1312
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: some good spots where I want to put me and I'll

1313
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: get some wolf pictures and stuff. Here's a good story.

1314
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too specifics. I don't want

1315
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: to get this particular tsa person in trouble.

1316
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 5: And I don't want to ruin a good This is a.

1317
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: Cool, great system. I don't even want to name the state. Yeah,

1318
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm not even to name the state.

1319
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 2: It's a good call.

1320
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 6: But it's similar to what we heard a lot of

1321
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 6: people do at that. Uh wasn't it the Denver show

1322
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 6: that we did a long time ago?

1323
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: And they wouldn't let people in with their knives.

1324
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so everybody started stashing knives and they go

1325
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 6: to a rock or was it a down.

1326
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: Down put his knife in a down spout and there's

1327
01:07:59,520 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: already So.

1328
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 5: I love this.

1329
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: I buried one out. I was somewhere with my wife

1330
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: or another there and they wouldn't let me have my knife,

1331
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: and I just buried it in a tree. Well, you know,

1332
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: like how they put the trees on the sidewalk. Yeah,

1333
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: I just buried it under the woodschips. Every went and

1334
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: got it. Later, this guy says, he, uh, he's going

1335
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: to TSA in an unnamed state, and he forgets he

1336
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: has a he has a bench made in his pocket,

1337
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: and the lady says, well.

1338
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: Go hide it.

1339
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: Go hide it in the drop ceiling. Go hide in

1340
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: the drop ceiling of the bathroom.

1341
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 5: The coolest TSAG.

1342
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 3: He says.

1343
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: Three weeks later, he's gone for three weeks, so he's departing.

1344
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: He's on a three week trip, comes back three weeks

1345
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: later and goes and lifts up that drop ceiling panel

1346
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: and there's three knives there.

1347
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 3: That's like the bas felt.

1348
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 5: He said, I found a knife and pull it out. Nope,

1349
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 5: not mine, and put it back, found another, not mine again,

1350
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 5: and put that one back in a well, third try

1351
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 5: did the trick. I went home pleased.

1352
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 6: It seemed like early on TSA would uh or no,

1353
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 6: it wasn't TSA. It was just like USPS would have

1354
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 6: like a box, and TSA would be like, oh, right

1355
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 6: over there, there's a box. There's an envelope you can

1356
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 6: very quickly mail your think you're on and you can't

1357
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 6: take with you back to yourself.

1358
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 3: But that's not around anymore.

1359
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: Well, that'd be a great idea we should look into. Man,

1360
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: it's maybe like at art No, just at our local airport,

1361
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 1: like a charitable thing where we have a little kiosk

1362
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: so you can mail your knives to yourself.

1363
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 3: Good, you'd get a lot of action. Clay and I

1364
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 3: were going flying somewhere I think maybe up to b C.

1365
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 3: And they he had a knife you could have sword

1366
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 3: fault with in his shaving ship.

1367
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 5: And that doesn't how come that doesn't surprise.

1368
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 6: Classic, right next to his coffee table book.

1369
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: And but it was in fable and they let us

1370
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 3: call me study come pick it up, and we'd and

1371
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: somewhere else that had just confiscated it. Took us out

1372
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: back and shot us.

1373
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: But because it was so well no they yeah, they'll

1374
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: you know, it depends how early are. But you always

1375
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: had the option to retreat and go do something with it,

1376
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: or you'll run down and get in your check bags.

1377
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: But if they can't pull it up, you just got.

1378
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 3: To ditch it.

1379
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, everything else a pistol, Oh, different, different deal.

1380
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: My buddy got I got a couple buddies's gotten a

1381
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: lot of trouble over pistols. I talked about one buddy.

1382
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: I said, man, if you got a pistol in your

1383
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: bag you don't know about, they should shoot you. Like,

1384
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: how do you have a pistol you forgot about in

1385
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: your check bag?

1386
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, some whole elaborate story to explain it.

1387
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: But I'm like, how do you lose track?

1388
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 3: Bud in mine flies to Vegas all wearing this coat

1389
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 3: that he's got on. They're getting there, coming back through,

1390
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 3: coming back home, and then something goes off in his pocket.

1391
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 3: He's got two twenty two rounds in his pocket, and man,

1392
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 3: it was like cavity search and everything. Yeah, I had

1393
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 3: to do that. It was the same he went out there.

1394
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 3: It was never detected when he was coming all it

1395
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: was in there.

1396
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: When I had a shotgun shell on me, their attitude

1397
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: was you dumb ass. It was like, now we got

1398
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff, you know. I said, Man,

1399
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: we were timing and hunting and blah blah blah, and

1400
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: their attitude was very much. I get it. Obviously you're

1401
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: not going to try to take the plane down with

1402
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: a shotgun shell, But now we got to do all

1403
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: this dumb stuff. And it's really irritating that you carried

1404
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: that shotgun shell on here and just bear, you know,

1405
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: bear with us, but you're really annoying. Yeah, it was

1406
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: kind of like it was very much like there was

1407
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: no like actual suspicion. It's like, oh, brother, now we

1408
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: gotta go through the whole shotgun shell deal.

1409
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 3: That was the end. That was at the end of

1410
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 3: the shift. Those folks were hot. They were trying to

1411
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: go home.

1412
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: When my buddy got hate, when my buddy had his pistol,

1413
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: he winds up need to go to court, you know,

1414
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: and he gets a very like after everything came out,

1415
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: he gets a very lenient deal, and he says, he

1416
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: whispers to his lawyer, ask about the gun.

1417
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: Lyrisays, forget the gun, you know, getting it back.

1418
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: Guy wrote a very spirited thing and about my theory

1419
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: on the morality and CORMANTT. McCarthy being naive and juvenile.

1420
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,919
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna read that.

1421
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: Another guy wrote in Oh, come on, it's just a lot.

1422
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: It's like I studied literature.

1423
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 3: In school, I don't.

1424
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: He well, no, it's rather pedestrian and short sighted.

1425
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 3: He says.

1426
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: Sure, some of his later more obvious works, yes, but

1427
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: it's not my theory does not hold up to his

1428
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: earlier works. And that's pairpoint old time, he saying. This

1429
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: guy wrote in because I was trying to get that saying.

1430
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: Going a fresh set of eyes will always find more beans,

1431
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: he says.

1432
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 3: Man, Me and my buddy's got a lot of those.

1433
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: Always leave a log.

1434
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 3: For the next camp. That's good.

1435
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: Some are dumb. Gotta give a piss or some space. No, no,

1436
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: never judge a game by its box. That's for people

1437
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: that don't read some I don't get when two fur

1438
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: traders throw down, they get naked.

1439
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 2: You used one today, I've never heard.

1440
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes the sheriff's got to shoot his deputy.

1441
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:32,799
Speaker 3: That is wild.

1442
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: Moss is uclimbable. What did I say today?

1443
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 2: You said that he had his lipstick on which I stick.

1444
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 2: Was like, I assume that's.

1445
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 3: Like about it? Yeah, using about dogs.

1446
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: I assume that's like when people mostly use it about dogs.

1447
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: I've never heard that though. I got what you were

1448
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: say though, like they picked up very quickly.

1449
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: You know what else, if I had to go to

1450
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: one of those things where you trip, you know, you

1451
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: try to find out what's deep in your mind. I

1452
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: remember having it when I was a little boy. Man

1453
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: coming running in the house.

1454
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 3: We had this dog Bobo, this rabbit dog Bobo coming

1455
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 3: in the house.

1456
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 2: Bobo's got your hanging out.

1457
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh last thing that we're gonna be done. This pisses

1458
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: me off. Oh no, there's two things that are good.

1459
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: This one burns me up. Some Listen when we had

1460
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: Evan Felker on from the Turnpike Troubadours, and we were

1461
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: talking about him and the bird Hunters, which is a

1462
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: beloved song. It's a great song, and I'm talking with

1463
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: Evan Felker about the fact that he throws out that

1464
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: the guy is holding a Belgian made Browning yep. And

1465
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: I said to him, as a songwriter, I like these

1466
01:14:55,120 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: little references. Do you worry though that a reference might

1467
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: be over people's head? And I bring up there's a

1468
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: there's a Luke Comb song where he says that the

1469
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: guy has a Johnson outboard. Okay, so you're saying, like,

1470
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: when you select that, it's it's the guy doesn't have

1471
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: a Honda outboard. That's different. It's like you're setting the scene.

1472
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: It's like he's got a Johnson outboard. He's an older fella.

1473
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: He's got an outboard it's not even made anymore. It

1474
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: takes a certain amount of effort to keep the old

1475
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: thing running. It's just a different you know, he doesn't

1476
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: say he's got a four stroke Honda. That's like, not

1477
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: the guy. It's this guy that's like loyal to his wife,

1478
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: right whatever, and he's got this old ass motor. So

1479
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: you're setting a you're using a detail, setting a scene.

1480
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: And I was pointing out that you do that, and

1481
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: it might be that sixty seventy eighty percent of listeners

1482
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: don't know. To bring it back to Coran McCarthy, Corant

1483
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: McCarthy's saying that someone rode ahead with the horn of fire.

1484
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: How many people read that and never ever ever know

1485
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: what he's talking about.

1486
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the people that know love it. You're like

1487
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 5: fan for life, So you got it.

1488
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1489
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: So I brought up to Evan Felker that that idea

1490
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: about these little details that mean a lot to a

1491
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: handful of people, but you run the risk of it

1492
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: being over people's heads. And then multiple guys right in

1493
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 1: being like, I can't believe Steve didn't see the significance

1494
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: of Belgium made browning. That's not what I was talking about.

1495
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't throwing myself in with those people. I was

1496
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: just saying that there's a risk of being too esoteric,

1497
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: that I appreciate the risk taker take that.

1498
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: Andrew and jan An, let me ask you. Let me

1499
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 3: add my Matthew to that list. Matthew, Matthew, he worked

1500
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 3: for USS that and uh I like to drink Nope

1501
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 3: for customs. Oh, he says. I just think listening to

1502
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: Alvin Felker interview on me there a Renella actually gave

1503
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 3: him some crap about mentioning that Belgium maaide brown my

1504
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: old man.

1505
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: Listen, my old man had what he always said was

1506
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 1: a Belgium made browning. And then we looked up the

1507
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: serial number. It was not a belgiam made browning.

1508
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 3: Huh where was it? Maid? It must have been a

1509
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: mom even where did.

1510
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: They move him to?

1511
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just wasn't. He always says.

1512
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: It was actually my mom's dad's was my maternal grandfather's

1513
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: autooder that somehow my dad claimed, I didn't know who

1514
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: the hell's got it? Now my mom's dad's goose gun

1515
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: and my dad I said, that's belgiam made brown It's

1516
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: Belgiamaine brownie.

1517
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: So that I mean that was twenty minutes before we

1518
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 3: started this. So I took a picture of him, of

1519
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 3: you and sent it to him while you were on

1520
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 3: your computer. Said, you made me punching, He said, I

1521
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: think you have to listen. Dude.

1522
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: His name's not Jan is it.

1523
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 3: No, it's Matthew.

1524
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 6: This guy's got the bottom steed, he even said. Andrew says,

1525
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 6: that's the great thing about music. It paints a different

1526
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 6: picture from every.

1527
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: Guy, says. The Belgium made Browning reference in the song

1528
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: The Bird Hunters was to signal to those in the know, dude,

1529
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: you're playing checkers and I'm playing chess.

1530
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 3: Buddy.

1531
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't play chess, though.

1532
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: Metaphorical chess. I know that.

1533
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 3: Sons of bitches.

1534
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, we must have just not done a great job

1535
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 6: explaining it at the in the moment, that's all it is.

1536
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 7: It's like that kind of specificity in songs that like

1537
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 7: ground the ground something to reality, and like even if

1538
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 7: you don't understand the reference, it kind of it still

1539
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 7: feels like, I don't know, more relatable and.

1540
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of that stuff.

1541
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: Chess, You're ready for Chetticutte done.

1542
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 5: I feel though a lot of people nowadays could be wrong.

1543
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 5: Don't actually really listen to the lyrics the radio songs.

1544
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 5: You could be mumbling and have a good back beating

1545
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 5: stuff and it could be a number one hit.

1546
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: Oh I listened to them lyrics, man, I did too

1547
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: bad bad listen to him hard.

1548
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 3: I know.

1549
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 7: I don't listen to the lyrics episodes. I've heard it

1550
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 7: like twenty times.

1551
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 3: I listened to it twenty times.

1552
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm on more like twenty years. Like, yeah, what's

1553
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 6: the song where he leaves to go to the bathroom

1554
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 6: and he comes back to bed. Someone's taking his place? Yeah?

1555
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 6: Forever I thought that she was shaking his coffin daily

1556
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 6: and then M's like, what.

1557
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 4: Are you saying?

1558
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 6: No, he's shaking his confidence. I was like, oh, his.

1559
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: Cough, wake up.

1560
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 5: I'm a big lyric guy.

1561
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 3: Man.

1562
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: You know, I've talked about this before, but I haven't

1563
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: talked about it for years. Songer talking about it again.

1564
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: I once read that remember when Diamond Dave left Van

1565
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: hand One, No, I don't yep, And they brought in

1566
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: and they brought Hagar. Yeah yeah, I mean not not

1567
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: the dog on Sammy, but it was horrible. Yeah, so

1568
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: Van Halen, Diamond Dave left Van Halen next went on

1569
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: to become an E M T. I don't know if

1570
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: you knew that. No, he became an ambulance guy just

1571
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: because he wanted to serve people a little bit better.

1572
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: So this leads one of my favorite quotes of all

1573
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: time too. Anyways, when so van Halen ditched uh, Diamond

1574
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: Dave what was his last name?

1575
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 3: Thanking on it? Good gosh, people are screaming at this.

1576
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, van Halen ditched Diamond David Lee Roth and hired Hagar.

1577
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: Then later Hagar got fired from Van Halen. So I

1578
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: remember I was listening to Howard Stern and Howard Stern

1579
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 1: was interviewing Diamond Dave about Hagar's departure from Van Halen,

1580
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: and Diamond Dave said, you know, the sun's gonna shine

1581
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: again for Sammy.

1582
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,759
Speaker 3: He's got that beautiful place and why he's got his family,

1583
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 3: And then Diamond Dave says, but.

1584
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: What do I know about losing the high profile career.

1585
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: But Hagar supposedly would get his lyrics by misunderstanding other lyrics,

1586
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 1: and then he'd find out what they were actually saying,

1587
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 1: and he would just make his lyrics what he thought

1588
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 1: they were saying, which is a great move, but I

1589
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: don't I said this before. I don't know how that

1590
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: leads to I can't drive fifty five?

1591
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, where'd they go from?

1592
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: Or mos tequila?

1593
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 3: But still last one? Oh? No, two ones?

1594
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: Kachas, here's a chettikit for you.

1595
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 3: Ready for this? I haven't read it, but well I'm

1596
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: going to read it to you.

1597
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: I remember the guy who owns a crap load of

1598
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: land that's like a hectare.

1599
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 3: Huge hunter.

1600
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: Last night had a friend of him ask him if

1601
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: he can bring his twelve year old grandson out to

1602
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: kill a doe, no box, just looking for a dough

1603
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 1: for his first year. Guy says no problem, sends him

1604
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: to a blind confirms does only even says he can

1605
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: shoot a couple dos, just don't shoot the bucks. Kid

1606
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: kills the biggest buck on the farm. What would you do?

1607
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 5: I would? I would definitely, h oh man, that's tough.

1608
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 5: I would. I would. I'd let the kid know that

1609
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,719
Speaker 5: he messed up and he can never hunt here again.

1610
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 5: I mean it's well the kid or the grand uh,

1611
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 5: I mean both holds the kid, the kid.

1612
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 2: Twelve years old.

1613
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 3: I leave the kid out of it. Yep. Well, it's

1614
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 3: the grandest problem.

1615
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, they sure could be.

1616
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 1: It's the grandest problem. I have a twelve year old, well,

1617
01:22:58,600 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: I had one a year ago and I have one

1618
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: new year.

1619
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 3: The grandma'st problem. Yeah, they don't know little kids.

1620
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.

1621
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: I mean grandma's problem.

1622
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 5: Hold your kid, he's way too young to hunt or talk.

1623
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 5: He's a year.

1624
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 3: Okay, in eleven years, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

1625
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 6: But if so, I would have certainly had a conversation

1626
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 6: with my twelve year old daughter about what the parameters

1627
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 6: were about the hunt that we were getting into. I'm

1628
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 6: not saying I'm gonna like be like, damn a girl,

1629
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 6: you fucked that. Know, like I'm not gonna do that,

1630
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 6: But I mean, obviously, like beforehand, you had a conversation

1631
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 6: about and someone.

1632
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: Needs to talk to that kids. It's the grandpast problem,

1633
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: is not that kid's problem.

1634
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent.

1635
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: Send your kid to school with some drugs and then

1636
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: tell me who gets in trouble. You were the kid.

1637
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 6: I don't think that's a good analogy.

1638
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 5: No, I mean I think I think there needs it's

1639
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 5: a grandma problem and the kid's problem too. Like the

1640
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 5: kid pulled the trigger. We don't know the story. How

1641
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 5: much pressure was there from the grandfather to shoot that buck.

1642
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 5: The kid could have really wanted to shoot a buck.

1643
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 5: I remember when I was twelve years old, like I

1644
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 5: wanted to shoot things, man, like a big buck. Holy cow.

1645
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did he wake grandpa up? Yeah?

1646
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 7: Not see that the gun was trained on a bunk.

1647
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah you got one. Oh my gosh.

1648
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 5: So I think there needs to be a swift talk

1649
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 5: and to both of these fellas that they messed up.

1650
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 6: I wouldn't.

1651
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 5: I wouldn't let him take the deer. Really no, because

1652
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 5: you gave him permission to hunt.

1653
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 3: Art right there, man, until he didn't sleep all night.

1654
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 5: Dude, you're you're a nice guy. You're letting him hunt

1655
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 5: your proper You could say, shoot as many doze as

1656
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 5: or want, but please don't shoot a big buck. And

1657
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 5: then the guys come shoot a big buck, they don't

1658
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 5: get to hunt the place again. You take the buck

1659
01:24:58,640 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 5: and you let him know they messed up.

1660
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: Mm hmm boom boom.

1661
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, it's fine, you guys shot the biggest

1662
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 5: buck on the property. You know, come back whenever shoot.

1663
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 3: Does come back at night.

1664
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: I'm asleep, kid, there's one more it's about stream access law.

1665
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: This is a good one, as we are aware. This

1666
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 1: is someone right now, as we are aware. Montana stream

1667
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:28,839
Speaker 1: access law is blow historic high water level. It's it's

1668
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of right mean high water and if

1669
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: you stay below that, you are free to wander. Not

1670
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: he says, free to wonder. He's free to wander, meaning

1671
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: on a nag in Montana. It's for you listeners, not

1672
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: in the state of Montana, which is the vast majority

1673
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: of you. If you're in Montana and you're on what's

1674
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: regarded as a navigable stream, so that there's a history

1675
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: of navigation on that waterway, you can walk blow the

1676
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: average high water mark, meaning if it's in a drought,

1677
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: you might be walking across dry ground, but you're kind

1678
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: of standing down on the gravel bars and you know,

1679
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: blow the bank.

1680
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, if anybody you know pays attention to it, you

1681
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 5: can see where that high water mark is. There's usually

1682
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 5: a brush line from high water. You stay below that,

1683
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 5: you stay on the rocks. Easy to tell.

1684
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 1: If you're walking on a if you're walking on a

1685
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: within our if you're stepping on a cottonwood tree route,

1686
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: you're probably not in your you're above it. Some tepping

1687
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: on a gravel bar, you probably blow.

1688
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 5: It sometimes those cottonwood roots that, however, go underneath.

1689
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 3: In Yeah, that wasn't a good one. But you follow me. Yeah,

1690
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 3: it's a bunch of I don't know, you know, but

1691
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:40,959
Speaker 3: you're good.

1692
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 6: If you're up in the grass.

1693
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: If you're up in the grass, you're probably out of it.

1694
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: If you're down in the gravel bar and little you know,

1695
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: willow patches all full of sediment, and and uh, you

1696
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: can see where spring runoff is blowing all kinds of

1697
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: brush and trees around.

1698
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 3: You're walking down there. You're good.

1699
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: So this is a common thing. He climbs in the

1700
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 1: river channel out of public access. He climbs in the

1701
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: river channel at a bridge, walks through private ground using

1702
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: stream access to access public and he's scouting for deer.

1703
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: Find some good sign of deer, and he says, sweet,

1704
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to this public by walking the

1705
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: public access game.

1706
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 5: Warden says, there's some legality.

1707
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 3: Can't do that.

1708
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:28,839
Speaker 5: You have to be fishing.

1709
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: You can't use you can't use the stream access law

1710
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: to get to.

1711
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 3: Hunting ground. Hunting ground.

1712
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 5: I've heard some gray areas stuff with this.

1713
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: Different wardens interpreted different ways. But let me tell you

1714
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 1: the fail safe way to do it. Make a couple casts.

1715
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Make a couple of casts on your way in, Make

1716
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: a couple of casts on.

1717
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 3: Your way out.

1718
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have a fishing rod with you.

1719
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: You have a Yeah, you have right of access.

1720
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 5: And I I have done this a lot actually, but

1721
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 5: it it's actually a fishing trip too, Like I'll fish

1722
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 5: my way into a spot, camp hunt and fish my

1723
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 5: way out the next day.

1724
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: I've talked to a game more than about this, and

1725
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: he where he winds up having trouble with people is

1726
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: they'll do that and they'll get into a position where

1727
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: he's like, there is no way they're retrieving that.

1728
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 5: Game because they run onto private He's just.

1729
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: Like, so you're telling me, and I want to make

1730
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: sure that you we're talking about the same thing. You're

1731
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: gonna get that in the water there and drag that

1732
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: deer back up this river.

1733
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 6: Oh when you just quoter it and walk it out.

1734
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: That well, that's that's his That's what he expressed to me.

1735
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: He clarifies with someone, I just want to be clear,

1736
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: this is the plan. Yeah, when you get one, you're

1737
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: gonna come the way he got out of it.

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01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 6: You'res as the whole way back to the truck.

1739
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's his he says, I now, and they'll

1740
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 1: see someone they like. They don't have any they haven't

1741
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: thought through how they're gonna do this, And that's what

1742
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: I clarify there.

1743
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 5: There's also the same deal with floating because some of

1744
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 5: these spots you can float in and technically you have

1745
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 5: to be fishing too, even when you're floating to access

1746
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:26,759
Speaker 5: the ground. The ground.

1747
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 3: This is what I've because your fishing trip turned into

1748
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 3: a hunting trip. Fishy way down, they'll be like, oh wow,

1749
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 3: I want to go up there and hunt for a minute.

1750
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 3: So there's no law you can't like, is it? You're

1751
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 3: not limited to archery equipment or something while you're finishing

1752
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 3: to do with that. No, you just gotta have a

1753
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 3: snoopy ride, take a cup of casts.

1754
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of areas, some areas in these

1755
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 5: things are like weapons restricted, so you have to be

1756
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 5: careful with that.

1757
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 1: But but that's not but that's different thing that's totally unrelated.

1758
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: All right, tails from the tour bus.

1759
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 3: Right here.

1760
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for joining Brent, Thanks coming out. How things

1761
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: going with your show? Oh, really good, really good. It's

1762
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 1: it's been such a joy.

1763
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 3: And get a lot of I get a lot of

1764
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 3: feedback from folks and just everybody's enjoying it. Met a

1765
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 3: guy walked in the door up here, some guy that

1766
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 3: works here. He's from originally from Mississippi. He's up here

1767
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 3: working at the is it the Folly Theater the venue

1768
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 3: for tonight and he's this country life man. I always

1769
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 3: say he loves it. He said, he never misses it,

1770
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 3: so gradually its good stuff. Thank you, it's good to hear.

1771
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 3: Thank you for the platform. It's it's a lot of fun.

1772
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 3: Thank you man. I appreciate it. All right.

1773
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: Eight buddy, have a good whatever, get a get a

1774
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: get a tape measure, keep it with your trail keeping

1775
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: your trail can.

1776
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 3: Bag that would have come in hand. It with that hole.