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Speaker 1: This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You

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Speaker 1: can visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe

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Speaker 1: while you're there. Hey, I'm Nora Jones and today I'm

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Speaker 1: playing along with Amy Grant.

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Speaker 2: I just playing long Weezy. I'm just playing in lone Weezy. Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm Norah Jones.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. This is Sarah Oda. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: our show.

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Speaker 3: Today we have Grammy winning singer, songwriter and musician Amy Grant. Yes,

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Speaker 3: in the early nineties, she helped bring contemporary Christian music

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Speaker 3: to mainstream and her new album, The Me That Remains

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Speaker 3: is her first collection of original songs in thirteen years,

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Speaker 3: and the new music reflects on everything she's lived through

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Speaker 3: in the past few years, including some pretty serious hardships

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Speaker 3: and the perspective that comes with that.

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Speaker 2: So this was a really special episode. This was great.

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Speaker 1: I just I remember listening to her music in the

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Speaker 1: nineties when she crossed over to pop music.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I listened to.

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Speaker 1: The Christian stuff she did, but that album Hard in Motion.

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Speaker 1: There were so many hits on it. Remember we were

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Speaker 1: going back before she came. We were just like back

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Speaker 1: to our sixth grade, so I know.

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Speaker 2: It came right back.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: It's such great like pop music locked in there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was amazing. It was a big part of

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Speaker 1: She's super amazing, soulful. There was a lot of wisdom

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Speaker 1: in this episode. And yeah, her voice sounds great and

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Speaker 1: it was really fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll Jill hear one of the songs that

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Speaker 3: you might just know every single word too, the way.

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Speaker 2: That I did.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I knew every word. She indulged me.

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Speaker 2: We did it. It was so good.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode with Amy Grant. I

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Speaker 1: just have to tell you. I mean, it's crazy having

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Speaker 1: you in front of me because I listening to your

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Speaker 1: music and in sixth seventh grade nineteen ninety one, when

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Speaker 1: the big pop album came out that was my It

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Speaker 1: was like a really just a two year period where

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Speaker 1: I listened to real top forty radio constantly, and then

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Speaker 1: was like right in my window. So it's pretty special

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad. Yeah, anyway, thank you for joining me

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Speaker 2: my pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the crazy thing about music, like when we

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Speaker 2: It really is a chapter in your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel so connected to the persons, even if

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Speaker 1: they don't know you.

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Speaker 2: I know when somebody asked me today, have you met Nora?

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Speaker 4: And I said, I don't think so, but we've spent

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Speaker 4: so much time she's been in my listening space.

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Speaker 2: I've listened to you, you know, throughout the years.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy and yeah, and it's just like you feel

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Speaker 4: like you feel connect Yeah, and so it goes both ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. Well, it's very exciting. So so have

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Speaker 1: you always played guitar?

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I I just play kind of functionally to write.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, lyrics are really my strong suit.

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Speaker 4: And just as a writer, so many times I'll say,

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Speaker 4: will you, will you any chance you would just write,

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Speaker 4: at is I just need a different playground to play on.

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Speaker 4: So, but I am now trying. I'm really practicing playing

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Speaker 4: things happen in life. You know, you don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you have your plans, but I just would love someday

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be not able to do what

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Speaker 1: So did you sort of? You haven't always toward playing. No,

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Speaker 4: You know, when we put music out, you just want

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Speaker 4: You want the vocal to be compelling, you want all

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Speaker 2: But there's kind of a.

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Speaker 4: Different sort of invitation when things are far from perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and that's really what I'm welcoming at this stage of

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Speaker 1: Plenty of perfect out there, and the music industry I

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Speaker 1: A little easier when it's when it's really from the heart.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, heavy is not the word that comes to my mind.

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Speaker 4: What's the word freeing? Yeah, it's been really freeing good.

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Speaker 4: And I think even without just sort of the unique

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Speaker 2: My sixties that I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just I feel like I've been able to really

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Speaker 4: And you know, fifties you're not there yet, but your

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Speaker 4: oh my Gosha, they do we have a tighter spink?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is there anything we can do?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, there's.

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Speaker 4: It's just a different freedom that comes in your sixties

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Speaker 4: and you really are not fighting it in the same way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that comes with time. I know what you mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I could use that right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: having a week Amy, I'm telling you. Yeah, and your

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Speaker 4: You know, you're drinking out of a fire hose, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, good notes on what I'm in right now.

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Speaker 1: Do you find that music has always been sort of

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Speaker 1: Has it left you and then you've come back to it.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel in terms of that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know that my real giftedness lies in music.

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Speaker 4: to you know, it's just it's wordless connection. Yeah, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: and I love participating. I'll be away from music sometimes,

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Speaker 2: I go, yeah, nothing's better than this.

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Speaker 1: I know it's sick, you forget how fun it is.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And that's how I felt the first session with

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Speaker 4: And so I mean, to me, creative energy happens when

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Speaker 4: And you put an onion and a cast iron scale

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. I like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, would you like to play a song from the

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Speaker 1: Can we play The Me That Remains?

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Speaker 2: I would love to. I love this song.

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Speaker 1: It's so it's just just you want to like cry

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Speaker 4: I wrote this two summers after a really bad bike accident,

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Speaker 4: that music has never been like my the strongest thing

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Speaker 4: I bring to a song, but more lyrics.

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Speaker 4: Lyrics, but I not being able to remember five minutes

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Speaker 7: It's taking me months of days and years still finding mine.

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Speaker 5: And always be kind to the me that remains, to

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Speaker 1: I loved it. I love hearing it like this too.

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Speaker 1: Your voice is so it's you. It's like you're right here.

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Speaker 1: Grew up listening to you, but your voice is so

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's funny touring anymore. Like even before I started

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Speaker 4: Right, and you sort of I think you kind of

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Speaker 4: I was seventeen, okay when my first record came out

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Speaker 2: I just started it over. I don't think I played

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Speaker 2: Somebody saw you? How did How did you end up

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we just had songbooks, but there was always

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Speaker 4: This was like my sophomore year, and I said, hey,

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00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 4: would you let me sign up for a chapel program?

449
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: And she said, well, what do you think you're going

450
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: to do?

451
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 4: And I said, I I think it's going to be music,

452
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: and she said okay. And then I was like, oh

453
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm gonna write some so hard.

454
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing like a.

455
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Deadline, right, yes, yeah, well that's so crazy. Yeah.

456
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 4: And I was too shy to do it by myself.

457
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 4: So if there was another kid in my class and

458
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: she was a great singer, and I said, can we

459
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 4: just like do? I don't have thirty minutes worth of music,

460
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 4: but I had maybe four or five songs that I'd.

461
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 2: Written already with guitar.

462
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: Yes, and just you know, to me, it was just

463
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 4: like my curiosity had so been whetted about, like our

464
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 4: spiritual lives, you know, because to me, that's the real

465
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: connective tissue. Yeah, and it was just like the front tier.

466
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to start that conversation with my friends.

467
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: You know, I think I was fifteen. I had zero answers,

468
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: but I felt full of faith and possibility, you know, and.

469
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: So so beautiful.

470
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I kind of wedged the songs i'd written

471
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 4: in between, you know, Carol King, will you still love

472
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 4: me tomorrow?

473
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: Oh that's great?

474
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, it was just fun and it was

475
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: not about look at me, look at me.

476
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was about connection. It was just about connection.

477
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 11: Yeah.

478
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really beautiful how you came into it. And

479
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: I love that the school had a variety of different

480
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: faith coming in. That's I think that is very interesting.

481
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: People get so you know, tunnel vision with what they believe.

482
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: I think to educate kids like that is really unique. Yeah,

483
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: it sounds really unique to me. I've never heard of

484
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: that happening.

485
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what I mean, that was a

486
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: long time ago. It was forty fifty years ago could

487
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: come yeah wild, but I you know, i'd have to

488
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: go back. And I remember that what really compelled me

489
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: to ask to do one of those chapel programs was

490
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: sitting through somebody that was in a I don't even

491
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: remember what branch of the Christian faith it was, but

492
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: it felt so political. It did even to my fifteen

493
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: year old and I was going like, I shouldn't it

494
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 4: to be talking about.

495
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: You know, love more abroad. So it was limiting when

496
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: they came in.

497
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: Just I just remember one day kind of going, I

498
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: don't think this is I don't think a chapel program

499
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 4: is supposed to be about politics. That's you yeah, and

500
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: that's so I, you know, just kind of went to

501
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: the head of school and said, what if I think

502
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: that's amazing?

503
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: What if I did one.

504
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I've realized that as I've gotten older, I feel like

505
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot of songs that I write are do have

506
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: more of a faith component to them. I never had

507
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: that when I was younger, but now I do. I

508
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: feel like it might not be noticeable, it might be

509
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: sound like it's being written to a lover, but sometimes

510
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm writing to are you up there?

511
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 13: You know?

512
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: You know, help me out here to God, but in

513
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: a very broad way. And I think that's that's such

514
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: a beautiful way to write. You can be really honest

515
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: in a way. Oh yeah, that you can't be if

516
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: you're writing about a specific person, you know.

517
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

518
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: And I find that sometimes I'll go back and listen

519
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: to a song that I wrote years before, and I'll think,

520
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I was like creating a soft place

521
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: to land, yeah, because of something I was going to

522
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: go through. And so many times I think what we

523
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 4: write is we don't even have to really understand it,

524
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: you know, it just kind of comes through you.

525
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

526
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: Like in our family, Vince and I are in our sixties,

527
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: We've got one of our blended families forties, three in

528
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: their thirties, ones in their twenties.

529
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: Wow, And no matter.

530
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: You know, everybody's perspective on any given topic just comes

531
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: straight from where they are in their life journey. I mean,

532
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: nobody seeing eye to eye, you know, just having a

533
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: different perspective.

534
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. You go through such different things, yeah, different times

535
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: of your life. Yeah.

536
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: And the phrase that, whether we say it out loud

537
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: or not, is always everybody's right on time from their perspective. Yeah,

538
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: it's like our youngest, the fervor, you know that she

539
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: might feel about anything, whether it's anger, frustration, you know,

540
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 4: it's right, it's just right there. And her next older

541
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: sister is eight years older. And still it's just like

542
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 4: she'd asked somebody, she'd paid somebody to do a job

543
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 4: and it wasn't done right. She was feeling all the frustration.

544
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: Let me see what formulas for problem solving do we have.

545
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: At this stage of the game, exactly.

546
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: And we're getting back in the car and she said,

547
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 4: I am so hungry and I want to call a

548
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: friend and go have a session. And I don't think

549
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 4: you the good person for me for this.

550
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: Am I trying to fix it well? Or just I'm

551
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: just looking at it? Yeah, I'm kind of looking at

552
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: it from every angle.

553
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes people need events and it's like, yeah, it's like

554
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: you have to ask, do you want me to fix

555
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: this or you want me to just listen right right?

556
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 13: Yeah?

557
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 6: Yeah?

558
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I said, go, hey, go spend time with yeah,

559
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: you know, get the person you need in that slot.

560
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, and so yeah.

561
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 4: But then like thirty six hours later, the combination of

562
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: our efforts, she was like oh my gosh, just totally

563
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: rectified itself. Yeah, almost magically. But it's because I reached

564
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: out to my friends. She reached out to her friends,

565
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: and you know.

566
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: Like everything, you got to sleep on it, yeah, to

567
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: get any clarity, that's right, right?

568
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

569
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how many albums did you put out that

570
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: were sort of faith based before you you you went

571
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: more pop? Yeah, more pop, even though I find some

572
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: of your pop songs so heart face. You know, like,

573
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: do you find genre kind of it's not really about

574
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: you that you guys can deal with that, and or

575
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: do you think about it?

576
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

577
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 4: Well, the only time I am like focused on thinking

578
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: about it is if I'm being introduced, like I'm about

579
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: to walk out and sing a song or I've about

580
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: to speak, and so often the introduction like in my mind,

581
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: I will go if I if I heard that introduction,

582
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: I would have zero curiosity about this person.

583
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't want to be there. Yeah.

584
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: But like if I'm on an airplane and somebody says,

585
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: what do you do, I'll say, well, I have a

586
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: family and I'm a songwriter.

587
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and that's it. That's it. Yeah, Yeah, And

588
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: what kind of songs do you write, oh, just songs

589
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: about life, Yeah, exactly.

590
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think genres for people who make music.

591
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they really subc Most people I know

592
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: don't subscribe to that very very much. But I know

593
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: that when when that album came out, it was a

594
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: big deal. It was a huge album, the first hard

595
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: emotion emotion. Yes, I mean this was my peak listening

596
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: time to pop music and it was I mean, it

597
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: was crazy. It was just such a big album and

598
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: I knew all the songs and I loved it. And

599
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know your work before that, but I knew

600
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: the chatter about oh, this is her pop album and

601
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: before she was making Christian music, Like as an eleven

602
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: year old, I knew that isn't that wild. And I

603
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: was just wondering if was that time something where people

604
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: were coming at you about that. Did you did you have.

605
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 7: Was it?

606
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: Did the crossover feel like a crossover to you?

607
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

608
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: Like, was it something that was confusing the way people

609
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: talked about it at the time, because you're just making

610
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: music right right?

611
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

612
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 4: Well, I wasn't really exposed to the chatter. That's great,

613
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: and that really was a different time. I know, and

614
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 4: also I'm just remembering like all through the eighties. So

615
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: I dropped out of college after four years. I mean,

616
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 4: I finished four years of school, but I was working

617
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 4: that whole time, and so I was always getting just

618
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: a little farther behind. Yeah, But it was so lovely

619
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: then to not be in school and I could just

620
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 4: tour and make music all the time. And so you know,

621
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: for years I just crisscrossed the United States singing and

622
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 4: I didn't really it was just so much fun that

623
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking about an overall impact.

624
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: It was fun and hard work. It was just the

625
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: life we were living.

626
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: And you were just doing the doing the work.

627
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: Just doing it.

628
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 13: Yeah.

629
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 4: And and for me, honestly, every time some new door

630
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: opened up, I would be like really like me. That's

631
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 4: how I felt with anything that like an opportunity. So

632
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: in the in the in the mid eighties, I remember,

633
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 4: you know, Chicago, the band was so big. Peter Satira

634
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: was going to do his first solo album, and I

635
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 4: had met a producer named Michael o'marty and I'd never

636
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: worked with him, but I guess he had wanted to

637
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: work with me, and he tracked me down at my

638
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 4: college roommate's house in Atlanta, who like nobody had cell phones.

639
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how I got the phone.

640
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 2: It was like a wall mount in her kitchen.

641
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 4: And he was like, maybe this is Omar and I

642
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: had love for you to do this song with Pete Satira. Well,

643
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: you know, I had grown up with Chicago, of course,

644
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: and I just I slid down the wall until I'm

645
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 4: seated on the floor, and in my mind like, have

646
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 4: all female singers died overnight.

647
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: By the last call?

648
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 6: Yeah?

649
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: I was like, what you know? And Peter never heard

650
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: of me. He had names the producer, he was the producer.

651
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like, oh my gosh, yes, I

652
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: would love to do that. And the Christian record company

653
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: I was signed to went to A and M Records

654
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: and said, we have an artist that we feel like

655
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: has appeal beyond the Christian marketplace, and so they did

656
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: that legwork for me.

657
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: That's pretty that's great.

658
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I was like, okay, yeah, and I

659
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: guess they they maybe they felt that way because what

660
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: I was already doing was just sort of music that

661
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: I hope appealed across the Yeah.

662
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really gild Yeah.

663
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 2: The writing for that record happened.

664
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: I was expecting my second child, and you know, I

665
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 4: would just wake up in the morning and work on lyrics,

666
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: work on songs, and then you know, also touring, and

667
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: I think I toured until in preparation for that record.

668
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 4: I toured a record called Lead Me, on which you

669
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: talk about a heavy record. I had been through some

670
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 4: personal things that were difficult for me in my marriage,

671
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: and my grandmother had passed away. I mean, things that

672
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: happened to everybody, but you know, when you're young, you

673
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: kind of feel like it's happening. Yes, but that record

674
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: actually resonated with the grassroots audience that I had grown.

675
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah. I just think music audiences I do too.

676
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: You just love to play music. You write from your heart,

677
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: and that's what anyone can hope for. I think, you know,

678
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: in this business, that's all you want to do. And

679
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: I was listening back to that album with baby Baby

680
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: on it, and it's crazy because the protection is wild.

681
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: It's synthesizer heaven, Keith Thomas.

682
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: It's so good.

683
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: It's not dated in like a cheesy way like it's

684
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: it's from a very specific era and you can definitely

685
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: hear it, but it is badass.

686
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: It is like, I mean, it's like synth heaven.

687
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, did you ever work with that kind

688
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: of stuff before that album or were you pretty acoustic

689
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: a little bit?

690
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: Just you know, the producer i'd worked with before that,

691
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 4: his name was Brown Banister, and he had done all

692
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: my records up to that point.

693
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: So this was a change in producers too, So the

694
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: sonic landscape was.

695
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: That's a big change. It was a big change. Yeah.

696
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: I love it, and.

697
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah it was fun that move was made. That decision

698
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: was made by my managers at the time, who were

699
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: big music lovers, and they were like they just wanted

700
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 4: to fan any flame they could find.

701
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they they did it.

702
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 1: They did it.

703
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah it worked.

704
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I was kind of nerding out on it, like the

705
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: synth bass and then the little keyboard solo and Baby's

706
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: trying to play it. I'm not very synth. I'm not

707
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: good with finding sounds, but I'm a fan.

708
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that's a gift. Yeah, it's a totally different thing.

709
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

710
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have the patience I think is what

711
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: it is.

712
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: Well, and yeah, just also different things kind of bring

713
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 4: you joy man. When I think about just that time

714
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 4: in life and making music. We lived out in the country,

715
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 4: a lot of space, but my sister lived next door

716
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: with her four kids, so I had young kids too.

717
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 4: But her kids would come over and they were like,

718
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 4: you know, ten years older than mine. And I'd have

719
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: a song idea, and I would play two or three

720
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: ideas and say which one do you never want to

721
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 4: hear again for the kids, which one's your favorite? Because

722
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 4: to me that the record before that lead me on

723
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 4: was so serious, and you know, you tour serious record

724
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: for a year and it's like, oh gosh.

725
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: And we just have some fun already.

726
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: And so really I think that you know, where I

727
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: was in my personal life having two young kids, and

728
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: all they kind of wanted to do was just you know,

729
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: roll around and play and have fun.

730
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

731
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: It's just interesting how music comes out of what your

732
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: life is.

733
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a fun record. That's it's very joyful. Yeah,

734
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: and it is fun. That's so funny. I also sometimes

735
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: out of darkness can come that because you're trying to counterbalance.

736
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: And you know too.

737
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 4: So the last song on that record is a song

738
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: called Hope Set High. So while recording I'm touring, I'm

739
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: juggling my family of two kids so far, that's.

740
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: A lot, by the way, it was a lot. Yeah.

741
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: So during that same season, this was so nuts.

742
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: I'm always running into groups of kids that would maybe

743
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 4: come to a concert because they came with their youth group,

744
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: so even stick around.

745
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 5: Yeah.

746
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: Well, so my experience was always kind of the collision

747
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: of life because of the way I grew up. A

748
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: lot of times my approach was not necessarily not necessarily

749
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: welcome by a religious culture.

750
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: Because you're so open.

751
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was so, and usually it

752
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 4: was someone quite a bit older than I was saying

753
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: something about what I was doing, and I was like, hey,

754
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: I'm just.

755
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: Doing the I'm doing the best I can.

756
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 4: But I didn't feel like stupid, you know, I just

757
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 4: was there. And so everybody's trying to find their way.

758
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: But so during that very busy time, I got the

759
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: idea from my friend and manager, Jim Cook. That was

760
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: not her job at the time, but she was my friend,

761
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: and she said, why don't we create a gathering that's

762
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 4: not a church building and like talk to kids about

763
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: things like God, prayer, the real struggles of life, but

764
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 4: don't do it.

765
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: In a dress up.

766
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: You know, they're not coming to a cathedral. They're not

767
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: coming to a mosque, They're not coming to It's just

768
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 4: people living life. And so once again, this is before

769
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 4: social media. So we invited a handful of friends to

770
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 4: be the leadership.

771
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: So we made up skits.

772
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 4: I wrote music, two of us wrote music. Just have

773
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: sing alongs, and we invited high school and college kids.

774
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 4: Like we just papered the street, the phone poles come

775
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: to our farm and we met in the loft of

776
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 4: our barn.

777
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

778
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: It was crazy, and like I think there are times

779
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: I tried to cook chili or anyway, while I'm doing

780
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 4: publicity around the world, I'm also coming home and hosting

781
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: these gatherings in the loft of our barn. And those

782
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 4: gatherings went from They started off just a couple of

783
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: hundred people, but I think the largest one we ever

784
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: had was over seven hundred kids.

785
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: That's crazy. In the loft of our barn.

786
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: Sounds so fun and so and that last song on

787
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 4: the record, Hope said Hi, I wrote for the very

788
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: first gathering, just going you know, hey, why'd you come?

789
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 4: Because we just came to We came to share life together.

790
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 4: And yeah, so hopefully records always for all of us

791
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: reflect you know, the life we're finding one day at

792
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 4: a time.

793
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Would you play a minute of

794
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: that song for me?

795
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: Would you mind hopes that?

796
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: H yeah?

797
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 8: You do?

798
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: You let me see. I don't want to know that's

799
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: that's good.

800
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: I would love to hear it.

801
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll remember the courts right, I've

802
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: got my.

803
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 14: Hopes, said hih, That's why I came tonight. I need

804
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 14: to see the truth. I need to see the line.

805
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 14: I've got my hopes. That's why I came to mine.

806
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 13: I need to.

807
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 5: See the truth. I need to see the like because

808
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 5: I can.

809
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 9: Do my best and pray to a father for the

810
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 9: one thing. I don't know. But when it all comes down,

811
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 9: when it all comes down, if there's anything good it

812
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 9: happens in life, it's from Jesus. I tell you all

813
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 9: comes down, when it all comes down.

814
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 6: If there's anything it happens in life, it's from Jesus.

815
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

816
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: I can just picture the barn and these kids.

817
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. Music is just such a great

818
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: connector Yeah.

819
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they talk about those sacred spaces now

820
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: and how a lot of people just stop going to church.

821
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: I don't know.

822
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't have any friends my age who go to

823
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: church with their kids. And but but music is one

824
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: of those places right where you can gather and just

825
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: be together.

826
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: Yes, so it is a special thing. Yeah, I'm sure

827
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: Nashville more people go to church, but if you're in

828
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: New York.

829
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, And.

830
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: I think different times in people's lives. You know, it's

831
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: just such a noisy world. Yeah, and I think some

832
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: people just feel like what they really need is just

833
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: to find some quiet.

834
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: And so yeah, and that.

835
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 4: Just finding the space to just try to quiet your.

836
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: Heart and mind. And you know, I had a young

837
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: man call me.

838
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 4: This has been a couple of years ago, and he's

839
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 4: not interested in church, not interested in any of that.

840
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: But you know, what I want to do always is

841
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 4: encouraged somebody to listen to their gut, because I'm sitting

842
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: there going, hey, if the divine, and I believe the

843
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: divine does speak to us, but it's probably not going

844
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: to be on a billboard. It's probably going to be

845
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: in your gut. And he called me about something that

846
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 4: was so random and I held some information. There's no

847
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: way he could have known that he needed. And he

848
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 4: said I was about to make this decision. I just

849
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 4: felt compelled to call you. And I said, what in

850
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: the world made you call?

851
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 2: And he said, I don't know. I just.

852
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 4: Like I've took my hands off the computer and I

853
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: picked up the phone and I was so glad. I

854
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: was so glad for him that he listened to that.

855
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: And I just said, don't don't ever ignore that voice.

856
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 4: Always listen yeah to that that other that like kind

857
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: of stopped you in your tracks.

858
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: Always listen to that. Make a space for that.

859
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: Well, you're a gem. I'm going to call you now

860
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: when I haven't heard time.

861
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: Can I tell.

862
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: You when you're When you said, hey, Amy, it's Nora,

863
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: and I was like what, I was so glad. I

864
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 4: was so glad because I just thought, man, I.

865
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 2: You know your music.

866
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: I told you when we first met today that I

867
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: the Will and Nelson and Friends concert that you participated in.

868
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: Was that that was at the rhyman? Was that the

869
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: rhyme was it was his seventieth birthday and he's now

870
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: I think he's turning ninety three this month.

871
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was. And that was kind of

872
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: a crazy that.

873
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Was crazy, like a group of people. Yeah, And I

874
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: was the newbie and nobody really knew me yet. I

875
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: was like, very it was right when my first album

876
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: came out and it hadn't gotten huge yet.

877
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: So well, I'm going to tell you your voice. You

878
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: turned that entire auditorium on it's year, and Nashville is

879
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: a listening audience, especially in that space.

880
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. I love nights.

881
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 4: You know when you're going to hear someone that you know,

882
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: but you don't realize there's going to be a special guest.

883
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Sometimes the opening act I'll be like, oh

884
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: my gosh, I would have missed this.

885
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: That probably happened. You go out a lot and hear

886
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: music in Nashville.

887
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: I wish I went more. There are seasons in my

888
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 4: life when I've gone to a lot more.

889
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: I do. It's funny.

890
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: COVID kind of put the skids on a lot of that,

891
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 4: and then just I think I tried so much.

892
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: Really, you just want to be home.

893
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 4: I love being home and I love being barefoot in

894
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: the backyard and yeah, like what stars going to see tonight?

895
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

896
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: So cool?

897
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: I feel you. I'm like, I live in New York

898
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: City and I know I'm like, oh, that sounds like

899
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: a fun show. That I would want to go to

900
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: in my dreams, go to better early.

901
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel that way when people when I

902
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: go out, you know, when I'm on stage and I

903
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 4: walk out and I go I know, when the tickets

904
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 4: went on sale, this sounded like a great idea.

905
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: And they're probably had a hard time motivating.

906
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 4: And then tonight you're going, oh my gosh, nothing sounds

907
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: better than Pj's.

908
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 2: But you you got in your car.

909
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: I started to realize that last year when I was

910
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: on tour and I thought, oh my gosh, it's hard

911
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: to get people out now. It is, and I'm really

912
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: grateful that, you know, I could do these shows. And

913
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: there's some people that came out of their house.

914
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: Yes, And I never regret when I go out and

915
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: hear music. I never regret it. But you're excited to

916
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: go home, but it is yeah, yeah, Well to me,

917
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 4: that's what's so cool about like conversations like this is

918
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: that somebody can be home and they here's some music. Yeah,

919
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 4: it's nice and get a feel for Yeah, just people

920
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: being people.

921
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you mean. Well, I'm gonna look

922
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: you up when I come to Nashville. Hey, we got

923
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: rock and cheers on our front porch. All right, I'm serious.

924
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: Sounds good.

925
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that would be awesome.

926
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: That sounds awesome. Do you want to do a more song?

927
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel like doing baby Baby? Yeah? Because my

928
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: twelve year old self might die? Come on, okay, I

929
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: might switch to I don't know, piano or warlier.

930
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 4: Oh.

931
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to say something.

932
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: Your songs all have crazy key changes, and that is

933
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: a kind of a lost art. We were just talking

934
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: about this earlier, and this one has a hilarious up

935
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: key change.

936
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: And then it comes back and it gets back up.

937
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: It was so funny getting inside of you know, doing this,

938
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: you get inside the songs in a way you don't

939
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: normally do. And I was like, isn't that the truth yet?

940
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: So funny you can go and do it and then

941
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: it goes back.

942
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

943
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 4: Part of that is I don't have a very large range,

944
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 4: and so you know, if.

945
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: You want to, yeah, we gotta keep go to lift it.

946
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 2: I gotta have some I.

947
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: Know, but it's just so funny. It's like, I never

948
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: think to do key changes. It's a real lost art too,

949
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: and you don't hear them as much anymore. But yeah,

950
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: it's great. Do you want to start it so I

951
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: don't start it too slow.

952
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: Okay, you think that.

953
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 5: Out tagging with them.

954
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 14: The sweet.

955
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 7: I'm cutting the love floor from the blue sky to

956
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 7: the deep bistol shine.

957
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 5: Stop for the baby. I'm so glad alone.

958
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 15: Corma baby, baby starts shining for you, and just like me,

959
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 15: I'm sure that all adoy you, baby, baby walking through

960
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 15: the floor, the.

961
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 7: Birds of b are singing you are coors.

962
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 5: Stop for a minute, baby.

963
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 12: I'm so flatch your mind, your mind, and ever since

964
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 12: a day you put mine in marsh Baby, I realize

965
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 12: it says just not getting over.

966
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 7: Oh data in any kind of wade.

967
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 5: I'm here for you, always have for it.

968
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 16: No mushrooman good serve. My love for you is sure

969
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 16: and it will never.

970
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 7: Stop for a minute.

971
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 14: I'm sorry glad to my hide.

972
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, and ever since the day ye put my

973
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 17: heart in balls, baby, I realize it says just a

974
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 17: getting over you.

975
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 7: Okay, come sister.

976
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 8: And ever sister day you put my heart in potion, Baby,

977
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 8: I'm realizing this just not get it over you.

978
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 5: Oh makes no doubt.

979
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 14: It's hard on.

980
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 5: Always. I'm forever baby. I'm so glad that what I

981
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 5: think about you, it makes me smile.

982
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 7: Baby in mind baby, I'm so.

983
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 5: Glad as you are. So glad as you mun baby,

984
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 5: I'm so glad that you that's too fun.

985
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm picturing yourself.

986
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 11: Oh.

987
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: I used to call myself Neon Nora and I would

988
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: wear all this Neon.

989
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: Nobody else called me. That was so sad.

990
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna be Neon Noah.

991
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

992
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: It was so funny. That's great.

993
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing that with me.

994
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: Pretty big smilefs me too, and thanks so much for

995
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: joining me.

996
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: This was so fun. This has been fantastic. Let's hang

997
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 2: again sometimes please. I love that.

998
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: All right, that was so fun. I got to do

999
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: baby Baby got just baby baby.

1000
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: Amy took me right back. I know it's my bedroom.

1001
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: She's so great.

1002
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1003
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: I love her story too. She really like had an

1004
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: interesting road back to music.

1005
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, really interesting and just a good, good human. Yeah.

1006
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: I like making friends new friends. And the songs we

1007
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: did if you want to know. First one we did

1008
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: was The Me That Remains, which is the title track

1009
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: from her new album that just came out in May

1010
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. The second song was a snippet

1011
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: of hop Set High, which was a song on Heart

1012
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: and Motion, which came out in nineteen ninety one, and

1013
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: the third song we did was Baby Baby from Heart

1014
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: in Motion nineteen ninety one. Special thanks to Amy Grant

1015
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: for joining us today, and we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 2: With Michelle and deggio Cello.

1017
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Speaker 1: Norah Jones is playing along as a production of iHeart Podcasts.

1018
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: Visit Nora Jones channel and be sure to subscribe while

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Speaker 1: you're there.

1020
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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Norah Jones.

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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded by Matt Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry.

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Speaker 1: Audio post production and mastering by Greg Tobler, artwork by

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Speaker 1: Eliza Frye, Photography by Shervin Linez. Produced by Nora Jones

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