1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: You're looking delicious today, Jim. It's one more thing I'm 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: that was troubling to me for some reason. The website 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: New Scientist is trying to put a rosier spin on cannibalism. 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: We'll have that for you in a moment. They are, yes, what. 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: I was fascinated by that python farm story the other day. 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: I actually dug into that did a little reading, you know, 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: because pythons are big and giant and meaty, and they're 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: like super efficient with the way they turn calories into 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: muscle mass, and they taste like chicken. 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: I got a question about that, But when I get 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: to the cannibalism, I'll I'll hit you. 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: With it, all right, all right, fair enough. So after 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: the show, before we started recording this, Hanson replayed a 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: clip of me saying something rather dry about Jack, and 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: Jack commented, that's a very I'm just Diane thing to say, 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: and I was reminded of a longtime listener to the 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: show and hilarious tweeter I'm just Diane, and I went 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: digging into her twitter feed. She doesn't tweet as much 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: as she used to, I think, which is a shame 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: for humanity. 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: But she's had grown up with a job now and 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: it's not easy. You should follow her, Katie, if you've 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: never checked out, I'm just Diana. I am on her 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: change now. She is a listener we became aware of 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: a long time ago, and she's very funny. 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah. 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: Her pinned tweet is I'd rather go home than go big, 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: which I agree with. How perfect is that? And then 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: somebody tweeted the the Nancy Pelosi this is not an 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: attempt to pan TikTok, It's an attempt to make TikTok better, 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: tic tac toe a winner, a winner. Her comment has 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: simply nailed it. Oh boy, man, I love Understatement's hilarious. 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: Oh looking forward to the day my new phone stops 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: autocorrecting vape to raping. 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Oh boy. Her best stuff is how much she hates 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: her job and her coworkers. But that's a different topic. 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: So New Scientists is a real science outfit, and they're 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: trying to take another look at cannibalism, and they mention 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: these bones that were found in a cave in southwest 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: England which beared all the marks of cannibalism. It is 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: pretty clear that cannibalism was going on. Their teeth marks 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: on the bones and the way. I won't get into details. 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: It's pretty gross. But and this was fourteen, seven hundred 44 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: years ago that they were practicing cannibalism there in England. 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: To Protein's protein baby, that's what I say today, they 46 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: write in New Scientists. 47 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Today, cannibalism is a taboo subject in many societies. We 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: see it as aberrant, as a clear in film such 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: as the Texas Chainsaw massacre. We associate it with zombies, psychopaths, 50 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: and serial killer like hannibal lecter. Positive stories about cannibals 51 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: are few and far between. 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 3: I would agree with you there, what I haven't heard 53 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: one of those? Wait, what a child's book about cannibalism? 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: Or Jimmy is a good guy like to golf, he 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: treated his family well, and he was a cannibal. He'll 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: be missed. Yeah, but perhaps it's time for a rethink 57 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: because despite our preconceptions, evidence is accumulating that cannibalism was 58 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: a common human behavior. Our ancestors have been eating each 59 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: other for a million years or more. In fact, so 60 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: was torture for years in the years, for centuries. But 61 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we should reconsider it. What a bizarre 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: story this is In fact, it seems that down the ages, 63 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: around a fifth of societies have practiced cannibalism. While some 64 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: of these people, while some of this people eating may 65 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: have been simply to survive. In many cases, the reasons 66 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: look more complex. In places like this cave in southern England, 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: for example, consuming of the dead seems to have been 68 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: part of a funerary ritual, something they did when people died. 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: Far from a monstrous affront to nature, cannibalism may have 70 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: been a way of showing respect and love for the dead, 71 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: say archaeologist. 72 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: No, uh yeah, no, no. 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: Whoever wrote this needs to be investigated. 74 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: He's like trying to sell this. I don't like it right. 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: He's trying to soften a revelation that may occur someday 76 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: about the barrels in his. 77 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, he's trying to set the table cannibalism. 78 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: We need to reconsider it. 79 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: I just watched a horrible horror movie about cannibalism where 80 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: these guys invite a bunch of people over to their 81 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: house for a dinner party and they're serving them the victims, 82 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: but they don't know it. 83 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: Well, Jim, never watch episodes of hannibal The prequel to 84 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs. Yes, oh, my god, when he 85 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: would when he would sit down at the table in 86 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: his suit, with his fine wine and his beautiful home 87 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: and start slicing off pick pieces of the liver that 88 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: he cooked up. God, that dinner table events. Do you 89 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: think because like you, you're so you're talking the other 90 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: day about the snakes and how that might become a 91 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: meat of the future. And I said you because the 92 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: idea of eating a snake disgusts me. There's something about 93 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: eating a reptile that I find. 94 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: And I've had snake, I've had alligator, there are multiple 95 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: I've had it, but I don't want. 96 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: To It's gross. Alligator was great. Let's just fried meat, 97 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: that's all right. But could could you eat human? No? 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: No, that's repugnant, repulsive. While I don't know, it's an 99 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: extinctive horror, I think now the concept of it being 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: a funerary ritual. Does anybody have anything else they'd like 101 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: to say about jim Okay, well, then we're passing out 102 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: knives and forks. If we could all make our way 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: to the cast get. 104 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got one more thing to say about Jimmy 105 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: looks delicious. Now that's some marbling. I mean, I know, 106 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: I know he didn't exercise much, but that is some 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: delicious looking marbling. 108 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: He's creating a nice rub for it. 109 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: If you heard me, I think, did I tell this 110 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: on the air? I can't remember my favorite joke now, 111 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: which also takes place at a funeral. If you've heard 112 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: this before, forgive me, but it's short. Uh. It's a 113 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: funeral and uh, and people are talking about the dearly departed, 114 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: and the widow stands up and says, is there anybody 115 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: else who'd like to say a word? The guy stands up, 116 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: He said I would, and he says plethora, and he 117 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: sits down, and the widow says, thank you, Jim. 118 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: That means a lot to me. 119 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: Yes, that is a good one I have. Actually you've 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 4: told that before, and I wrote it down to tell 121 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 4: it to somebody else, and then I never did, so 122 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 4: thank you for reminding me. 123 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: Pass it on. 124 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: Yes, the beauty of that joke is you think the 125 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: punch line is that he just says one word. 126 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: It is a twist, my love. It caught the twist, 127 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: well done, got a good twist. That's funny. So back 128 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: to cannibalism. I'm guessing that we're designed to be disgusted 129 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: by it only because most of human history people have 130 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: been starving. And if you weren't disgusted by it, I mean, 131 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: if you if you thought of eating another human the 132 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: same way you thought of eating a cow, we would 133 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: have all eaten each other. I mean, just the strongest 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: would have survived and eaten each other, and the societies 135 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: that didn't find it up hurt and died out pretty 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: quickly because of that. That'd be my evolutionary guess. 137 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're just like an epidemiological reason why it's 138 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: a bad idea because obviously humans can catch human diseases, 139 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: but I don't. 140 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: I suppose that's possible, but you know, we've mostly been 141 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: starving throughout history. If you weren't disgusted by it, and like, 142 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: the only the only way you could possibly do it 143 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: is if you're you know, the Donner Party, and you're 144 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: all starving to death. And many of them didn't participate, 145 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: They went ahead and starved before they did it. Uh, 146 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: if it was okay with you, people would have turned 147 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: to that right away. Yeah, I know I hates Jim. 148 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: We all hate Jim. Let's eat him. 149 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: I tell you what though, it's it's all about the 150 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 2: method of preparation, because like, I'm not gonna have human 151 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: sushi or anything like that. 152 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: That's too much. Now I'm a medium rare guy, but 153 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm going well done on Jim. 154 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm like, maybe he smoked all day, like. 155 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: A long maybe jerky even I want it really quick. 156 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: Could it be like a company. 157 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: Could it be like a sandwich, or maybe like a 158 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: wrap or something. 159 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: It's not just that, yeah, you know what I mean. 160 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: I don't want it like tender and falling off the femur. 161 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: I just oh, you like a turkey leg you know, 162 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: you see it the fair. 163 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: I'd have to have small portions because I'm diabetic. That's right, 164 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: You're at the fair and you're eating a human legs. 165 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: Got that foot still see that's disgusting. So will see 166 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: if this catches on and if New Scientific is successful 167 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: in their effort to I don't know, mainstream cannibalism, I 168 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: guess deserves. 169 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 3: You know what the world we're in right now, it wouldn't. 170 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: Shock me, right right you it's a sick enough Well, 171 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: I guess that's it.