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Speaker 2: I want to start with a story that for some

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Speaker 2: of you out there may not be on the top

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Speaker 2: of your radar, and you may not be thinking about

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Speaker 2: what the impact of this may be. But as we

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Speaker 2: it online, I want to talk about what's going on

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Speaker 2: with a AI artificial intelligence, the growth that we are

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Speaker 2: seeing there and the degree Buck, to me of what

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Speaker 2: I am seeing is just a sort of a recapitulation

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Speaker 2: of all of the flaws that existed in social media

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Speaker 2: now being created and impacted in AI in the same

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Speaker 2: way that every social media site, whether it's Facebook, Instagram,

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Speaker 2: Twitter on some way designs an algorithm by a human

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Speaker 2: that determines what you do and do not see AI.

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Speaker 2: There's a scary, ridiculous, somewhat maybe a little bit funny,

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Speaker 2: but also terrifying story of what's going on with Google's

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Speaker 2: AI service. Buck and I know we were talking about

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Speaker 2: this off air, so I know you've seen it too. Basically,

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Speaker 2: they designed it so there's no way that you can

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Speaker 2: get an image of a white person no matter what

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Speaker 2: your prompt of request is. And for those of you

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Speaker 2: out there who are not familiar with AI at all,

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Speaker 2: trying to explain it in just a couple of sentences,

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Speaker 2: it's a video or image based version of search, also

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Speaker 2: very strong textually, but it's moving more and more into

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Speaker 2: imagery and videos, and the idea is basically, you give

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Speaker 2: was saying, hey, Google, give me a picture of the Pope,

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Speaker 2: and the pope pictures that AI were returning were all

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Speaker 2: minority figures. If you asked for a Viking a picture

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Speaker 2: asked for pictures of the Founding fathers, they were giving

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Speaker 2: that the intent here is to avoid being racist. And

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Speaker 2: they wrote in code which basically made it impossible for

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Speaker 2: When you were getting these prompts to me, that's maybe

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Speaker 2: get a prompt that allows you to go click on links.

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Speaker 2: You're not actually going and reading and discovering the information

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Speaker 2: from your request. It's being given to you. Search is

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Speaker 2: being created more powerfully than maybe it ever has been before,

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Speaker 2: and it's making these algorithms even more powerful. And so

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Speaker 2: as a result, they are now stopping the Google Search

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Speaker 2: buck on AI. But are you troubled by this because

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Speaker 2: I think it could be a huge story for twenty

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Speaker 2: function of law, you've been treated better.

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Speaker 1: You've treated any average function of law than the ad

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Speaker 1: that yes, depending on which minority you are.

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Speaker 2: You've been able to get into If you're black and

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Speaker 2: you were born in nineteen eighty, I've been able to.

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Speaker 1: Get even up for debate. Really, the Supreme Court had

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Speaker 1: to rule on this and said, you got to stop

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Speaker 1: doing this thing where you're discriminating in favor of black

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Speaker 1: and Latino college applications. You can't hear college applicants. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that anymore so.

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Speaker 2: But this is an outgrowth of trying to respond to

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Speaker 2: an era when most of us were never alive by

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Speaker 2: treating people differently based on their race, and it is

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Speaker 2: become I think, more noticeable, and people are willing to

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Speaker 2: talk about it. In a way that they were not

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Speaker 2: in the past. And so when you see a clear intent,

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Speaker 2: there's no way to describe that this guy's this. When

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Speaker 2: you see a clear intent, when you when you type

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Speaker 2: in show me a pope and you get a black

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Speaker 2: pope and it's never happened. And when you say show

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Speaker 2: me George Washington and you get a black George Washington,

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Speaker 2: they pretty clearly George Washington is not black. When you

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Speaker 2: type in buck on this on this Google AI query,

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Speaker 2: who is worse Hitler or Elon Musk, it says it's

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Speaker 2: hard to determine.

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Speaker 1: Hitler or Chris Ruffo hard to determine. He shared that

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Speaker 1: one out too.

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Speaker 2: These are these are re proxies that this Google Gemini

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Speaker 2: is returning. And again, this is an input. This isn't

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Speaker 2: a fall, this is that.

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Speaker 1: So this is a fundamental point because they're saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: it was just like a mistake, man, like we weren't trying.

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Speaker 1: That is nonsense. This is an enormously important part of

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Speaker 1: Google going forward into the future. There are senior executives

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Speaker 1: within the AI wing within Gemini who know what the

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Speaker 1: This is not George Washington does not come back as

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Speaker 1: a black man from your AI machine, and not just him,

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Speaker 1: all these other things talking about too. That doesn't happen

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Speaker 1: just because by happens because yeah, by accident. It happens

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Speaker 1: because they are trying to game the system in such

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Speaker 1: a way that they want the world to be and

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Speaker 1: history to be reflective, not of what it is, but

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Speaker 1: what they would like people to believe it is. And

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Speaker 1: in the AI era, that is very disconcerned. That is

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Speaker 1: very u discomfiting and concerning for everybody