Speaker 1: What's that bed?
Speaker 2: It's spooky. I'm really sure it's dead, it's coming, it's wait.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Hey, I'm said Ross.
Speaker 2: Pllease he boo, it's me Ross. How are you good?
Speaker 2: Everything great? I'm doing just fine. I was checking the
Speaker 2: five star reviews and Apple podcasts and oh my god,
Speaker 2: for some reason, there's a ton of them, a bunch
Speaker 2: of brand new ones. So thank you guys so much.
Speaker 2: It's so nice to see that, and and all the
Speaker 2: nice things that you guys say. I really really appreciate
Speaker 2: you all so so much. You've gotten me through this
Speaker 2: past year, that is for damn sure. But I saw
Speaker 2: there's a ghost story that is hot off the press,
Speaker 2: is just posted that I wanted to read because there's
Speaker 2: something mentioned in here. This comes from roxy Am and
Speaker 2: they say a bunch of nice things they've heard me
Speaker 2: on Chatty Broad's one of my favorite podcasts. And for
Speaker 2: the ghost story, okay, I'll share my most freaky experience.
Speaker 2: They write, I've had a run in with a self
Speaker 2: made wija board as a teen. Yes, not the best
Speaker 2: idea in retrospect. Okay, Now that's the part that really
Speaker 2: caught my attention at first, because we talk about that today,
Speaker 2: I am here for part two with Wija Queen Karen
Speaker 2: Adolman and Karen A. Doleman answers a question about homemade
Speaker 2: wija boards because a couple of weeks ago I posted
Speaker 2: in the Facebook group ghosted by Roz Dress if anyone
Speaker 2: has any we do related questions for Karen, and we
Speaker 2: did get one of those, so Karen will be answering
Speaker 2: all those questions a little bit later on today's episode
Speaker 2: to look out for that. But anyway, back to Roxyam's
Speaker 2: beautiful five star review. Ghost story. So the story that
Speaker 2: stands out the most involves one of my children's Fisher
Speaker 2: Price toys. In our previous rental home in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 2: we had suspicious activity that seemed paranormal. My kids saw
Speaker 2: quote shadow people. One was panicked after hearing breathing right
Speaker 2: next to her during quiet reading time alone in her room.
Speaker 2: And then my mother in law came to visit. She
Speaker 2: talked about being somewhat sensitive and was scared because she
Speaker 2: said she felt a presence without us mentioning anything, and
Speaker 2: did a trick to see if a nickel would be
Speaker 2: moved in her guest room while she was out in
Speaker 2: the living room. It did ooh, this ghost wants that money, honey.
Speaker 2: While I am open to the paranormal, I was basically like,
Speaker 2: uh huh okay. And then I took our youngest into
Speaker 2: our bedroom the same day to nap and half fell
Speaker 2: asleep with her. Then I woke up suddenly and looked
Speaker 2: straight at a little toy lamp a laugh and learn
Speaker 2: sitting near me, but on top of a bin of
Speaker 2: clean clothes. It lit up and said hello and turned
Speaker 2: back off. It was terrifying. Hello is one of the
Speaker 2: things it can say, but its light switch has to
Speaker 2: be switched up manually. The energy I felt was so scary.
Speaker 2: I wasn't questioning there being a presence after that, and
Speaker 2: I threw the lamp away. It seemed like it was
Speaker 2: being used as a means of communication. Hebegbi's Since we've
Speaker 2: moved houses, we haven't had issues like that anymore. I'd
Speaker 2: love to hear from other renters of that house if
Speaker 2: they've had similar experiences. I couldn't find any negative history
Speaker 2: on the address from my online searching. Maybe do you
Speaker 2: think it could be connected to that homemade Oija board?
Speaker 2: I don't know. That was when you were routine. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it sounds like maybe something was trying
Speaker 2: to communicate with you. Maybe it's not related to the
Speaker 2: house at all or the toy. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 2: thanks for sending me that. And you guys could send
Speaker 2: me a ghost story in a five star review on
Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or you could just say something nice or
Speaker 2: don't say anything at all on a five star review
Speaker 2: of my podcast. There's also a couple of news stories
Speaker 2: that I I wanted to talk about on this show today,
Speaker 2: the first one being this whole UFO situation. We've talked
Speaker 2: about this a couple of months back, but it was
Speaker 2: actually this last Friday that the US intelligence community released
Speaker 2: the unclassified report to Congress of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, also
Speaker 2: known as UAPs or UFOs as most of us think
Speaker 2: of them. There's a lot of articles about it. I
Speaker 2: would definitely recommend going out and reading it. I have
Speaker 2: not read the report myself, but I was looking at
Speaker 2: this article that was on cnn dot com. It says
Speaker 2: eight takeaways from the government's big UFO report, and it's
Speaker 2: a nine page report. It doesn't really firm or debunk
Speaker 2: the existence of aliens or anything like that, which I mean,
Speaker 2: what did we expect. Did we really think that they
Speaker 2: were going to be like, Okay, so this is what
Speaker 2: an alien is and this is the planet that it's from.
Speaker 2: But there's definitely some interesting stuff in this article. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll get to reading the whole report at some point.
Speaker 2: Maybe that'll be the Ghosted Summer book Club. I don't know.
Speaker 2: This part here it says our analysis of the data
Speaker 2: supports the construct that if and when individual UAP incidents
Speaker 2: are resolved, they will fall into one of five potential
Speaker 2: explanatory categories. They could be airborne clutter, natural atmospheric phenomenal,
Speaker 2: USG or US industry developed mental programs, foreign adversary systems,
Speaker 2: and a catch all quote other bin, which is like,
Speaker 2: we want to know about the other bin. Like that's
Speaker 2: that's what's in the other bin, that's the whole that's
Speaker 2: the whole thing. We want to know about the aliens.
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, it seems like there's some good
Speaker 2: stuff in here. I think that I think that's something
Speaker 2: that's cool. I guess is that this is the government
Speaker 2: acknowledging that there are these unidentified aerial phenomenals that take place,
Speaker 2: and so I think it is validating for people that
Speaker 2: for years have said, you know, like you're your uncle Carl,
Speaker 2: that for years has been saying, like I saw in
Speaker 2: the field that night, these things flying around, Like Okay,
Speaker 2: Now I feel great for Uncle Carl because now it's
Speaker 2: at least been said that that kind of a thing
Speaker 2: does happen. It's nice, it's nice that that has happened,
Speaker 2: that this acknowledgment has happened, and that they've shared that.
Speaker 2: But I want the juicy details. It says that no
Speaker 2: standardized reporting mechanism existed until the Navy established one in
Speaker 2: March of twenty nineteen. The Air Force subsequently adopted that
Speaker 2: mechanism in November of twenty twenty. So it's like this
Speaker 2: is a fairly new thing that they've been documenting, I guess,
Speaker 2: And I mean it just talks about the things that
Speaker 2: they've seen, you know. It talks about there was a
Speaker 2: time where they saw what they call airborne clutter, which
Speaker 2: was a deflated balloon in one time. There's been some
Speaker 2: UAPs or UFOs that appeared to stay stationary when the
Speaker 2: wind when it was windy out, or they moved against
Speaker 2: the wind. So they've seen, you know, they've seen some shit.
Speaker 2: Is what they're basically saying, we've seen some shit. We
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, but we've seen it. And
Speaker 2: then this article ends by just sharing the part where
Speaker 2: they say that they remain unidentified due to limited data
Speaker 2: or challenges to collection, processing, or analysis, and may require
Speaker 2: additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect, on analyze, and characterize
Speaker 2: some of them. Well, I would love to hear about that.
Speaker 2: So it's a start. It's something that's how I'm looking
Speaker 2: at it. It's something you know me, I'm not like
Speaker 2: a big UFO person on this show, but I find
Speaker 2: it fascinating. It's paranormal. Do I want answers kind of?
Speaker 2: But like do I really? I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: think it's part of the fun. Part of the fun
Speaker 2: is the unidentifiedness, the unknown. I love that, okay. And
Speaker 2: then one more very important news story that has been
Speaker 2: brought to my attention is something that was in the
Speaker 2: Daily Star which was posted the twelfth of June, and
Speaker 2: it is about UK drag star Beg of Chips, who
Speaker 2: was on RuPaul's Drag Race UK. And it says Bega
Speaker 2: Chips haunted by a sex pest ghost that's desperate to
Speaker 2: see her naked Okay says after some creepy incidents, she
Speaker 2: is convinced that the ghost is trying to get frisky
Speaker 2: with her. She told The Daily Star, I was in
Speaker 2: my flat and I thought there was someone who kept
Speaker 2: going up and down the stairs. I remember it like
Speaker 2: it was yesterday. It suddenly felt really cold in the room.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the bloody hell is going on here?
Speaker 2: I felt cold on my face. I think they were
Speaker 2: trying to kiss me. She added it got to the
Speaker 2: point where I would get changed in the bathroom. But
Speaker 2: then I realized a spirit could just walk through the
Speaker 2: walls anyway, She said, I just had a feeling that
Speaker 2: there was someone standing at the end of my bed,
Speaker 2: and then I saw it. When you see a ghost,
Speaker 2: it's not like when you see a person. It's kind
Speaker 2: of a shadow like steam. I couldn't tell if it
Speaker 2: was a man or a woman. It was dark. It's
Speaker 2: really hard to explain. She says, She's been to loads
Speaker 2: of haunted places. Well, I'm very fascinated by this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would love to have bag a Chip on the
Speaker 2: show to talk more about it. I don't think I
Speaker 2: would want that. I don't think I would want a
Speaker 2: ghost trying to get with me in my apartment. But
Speaker 2: it of course does remind me of when we had
Speaker 2: Billy Lee on this podcast who told the story of
Speaker 2: her time having sex with a ghost, which if you
Speaker 2: haven't heard that episode, go back and listen. And here's
Speaker 2: another reminder that still to this day, all of our
Speaker 2: episodes are still up on the main podcast feed, so
Speaker 2: go back. There's an endless supply. I like to think
Speaker 2: that the interviews don't really have like a shelf life.
Speaker 2: I think that they're good stories that could could last,
Speaker 2: even though some of them are like two years old,
Speaker 2: the interviews, but I think the stories are still pretty relevant.
Speaker 2: I might have like a thing or two in the
Speaker 2: intros about like here's what I did this week, But
Speaker 2: check out those other episodes as well. Okay, I want
Speaker 2: to talk about wijaboards. We are all over the paranormal
Speaker 2: map today and I absolutely love that. I love when
Speaker 2: the show just goes from one topic to the next.
Speaker 2: And as always on Patreon patreon dot com slash roles
Speaker 2: dres Fales, you can hear bonus material from this conversation
Speaker 2: and in that clip. This week on my second Tier,
Speaker 2: we are talking about when animals come through on wijaboards,
Speaker 2: and Karen has some stories and some insight about that
Speaker 2: kind of a thing, because I'm like, you know, a
Speaker 2: wija board you have to be able to spell, you know,
Speaker 2: because you go letter by letter. So how does that
Speaker 2: work when it's like an animal or someone that like
Speaker 2: a child, or someone that doesn't know how to spell, Like,
Speaker 2: how do they do that? So she gives us her
Speaker 2: insight on that. And as always, every week I have
Speaker 2: a new video on Patreon, and this week it's me
Speaker 2: giving you some suggestions of some of my favorite horror
Speaker 2: movies that you could watch this summer, because I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's something about the summer that gets me in, like
Speaker 2: the scary movie Spirit more than more than normal. So
Speaker 2: go check that out please. I always appreciate the support. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Here is my conversation, part two with Karen A. Doloman
Speaker 2: on with the show. So if a you know, an
Speaker 2: inexperienced person is using a weija board and they're just like,
Speaker 2: all right, who's here? What are what do you think
Speaker 2: that they're likely to run into? In terms of all
Speaker 2: the different types, I.
Speaker 1: Would say, what does it they think and what are
Speaker 1: their feelings about the board? And If so, they just
Speaker 1: who's here. And let's say you think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so afraid shout be doing this. I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing this. I was told this by my church. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. They're gonna probably pull in something negative if
Speaker 1: they go, oh my god, I'm so curious about using this.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard some really interesting stories. I'm open
Speaker 1: to it. They're going to probably pull in something more like,
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe a deceased person. I see, the
Speaker 1: dead zone is the easiest to reach into. I call
Speaker 1: the dead zone those like spirits that might still be lingering,
Speaker 1: or those are your loved ones that are nearby. They
Speaker 1: haven't they've gone into the light, but they're here to
Speaker 1: still help you. It just depends. The question would really
Speaker 1: be what are you harboring within? And then that's what
Speaker 1: you're going to get.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is kind of like one of
Speaker 2: those old game shows where you have to like guess
Speaker 2: who's behind the curtain or whatever. You know, just keep
Speaker 2: asking questions.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: It's like the dating game or whatever. Well, now, if
Speaker 2: let's say a person, a human on this earth is
Speaker 2: like weed, boards are evil, They're awful. Blah blah, blah,
Speaker 2: never touch it, and they die and then you try
Speaker 2: to contact them. Is it different over there? Are they
Speaker 2: can you can you get a hold of them or
Speaker 2: are they going to.
Speaker 1: Be It's always their choice, Okay. So for example, I
Speaker 1: had a friend whose stepmother had died and she was
Speaker 1: really just a horrible person. And she was the first
Speaker 1: to come. She came through because my friend really wanted
Speaker 1: her stepmom to come through. And it was that dynamic
Speaker 1: of really, you know, needing a chance to talk to
Speaker 1: her and tell her it's okay. And she came through.
Speaker 1: She said, Oh my god, I'm so scared. I was
Speaker 1: such a bad person in life. You know, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me. I don't want to go. I don't I'm
Speaker 1: afraid to move on to like because I'm going to
Speaker 1: be judged. And I was bad. It was horrible. And
Speaker 1: we just told her say, hey, you do the best
Speaker 1: you could do. Can you forgive yourself kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So the little therapy on her, that's why I call it,
Speaker 1: we to therapy tongue in cheek, and it helped her.
Speaker 1: So you can Sometimes sometimes you can't reach them because
Speaker 1: they don't want to be reached, you know. But I
Speaker 1: also this it's not like you're hopeless when you move.
Speaker 1: Let's say you have just a horrible life and you're
Speaker 1: just a horrible person, mean, and there's opportunities for you
Speaker 1: to grow and evolve. You're always growing evolving, no matter
Speaker 1: what dimension you're in, and there's always beings that are
Speaker 1: loving to help you to further your development. And so
Speaker 1: there's classes, if you will, if you want to call
Speaker 1: it that, I've heard them actually use the term classes
Speaker 1: or lessons or teaching or people that are helping them
Speaker 1: or other beings that are helping them. So there's always
Speaker 1: that chance, you know, to continue to evolve and do
Speaker 1: change if you choose to your ways, and if you
Speaker 1: don't want it, then that's okay too. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: all free will, that's the bottom line. Nobody's judging you
Speaker 1: but yourself when you finally get to that space.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is just reminding me. Okay, here
Speaker 2: I go with my theories again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do it.
Speaker 2: I have this theory that I'm sure I didn't come
Speaker 2: up with, but I came to on my own that
Speaker 2: And you're the perfect person to talk to about this
Speaker 2: that so many of these goes from you know, eighteen
Speaker 2: hundreds or even you know, the sixties, seventies or whatever.
Speaker 2: These people that haunt these houses now and they have
Speaker 2: this unresolved something that's keeping them here. That I think
Speaker 2: that they come from times when therapy was more stigmatized
Speaker 2: and they didn't maybe necessarily seek therapy or any type
Speaker 2: of self help. And that's why even in death they're
Speaker 2: still resistant to it or just have never dealt with
Speaker 2: you know, that loved one that died and now they're
Speaker 2: roaming these halls looking for them or whatever. Do you
Speaker 2: think that's a thing.
Speaker 1: I think that's a wonderful way of looking at I
Speaker 1: think that's definitely an aspect of it. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: run into some beings because they were stock and they
Speaker 1: weren't they weren't aware that they were deceased. They were
Speaker 1: just repeating. And then you get that looping behavior and
Speaker 1: that's haunting and walking the walls, and it's the same
Speaker 1: old thing, it's all. And I've done gosh many stories
Speaker 1: along those lines, much work with that. I read about
Speaker 1: that a lot in my second book, The Spirit Ruwegia,
Speaker 1: Four Decades of Communication. I talk a lot about that
Speaker 1: stuff because that's a real thing, and you will find
Speaker 1: these energies will just stay where because they're still attached
Speaker 1: to something here. Whether it's like they could be lost,
Speaker 1: like looking for a loved one that they lost and
Speaker 1: they had grief and they couldn't move on, or they
Speaker 1: just chose not to move on, or they just love
Speaker 1: to be in the space they're in, or they're attached
Speaker 1: by greed, or just all kinds of emotions. It could
Speaker 1: be positive emotions too. Like I said, they don't want
Speaker 1: to leave their loved one. There's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: why they linger on. But that's a real thing too,
Speaker 1: And that's why I call that area the dead zone
Speaker 1: because it has a lot of just lower energy vibrations
Speaker 1: at times. So you could pick up on that one
Speaker 1: that's hateful. I mean, if they're hateful in life, when
Speaker 1: they die and they don't move on, they're probably going
Speaker 1: to be hateful there because they're not getting that assistance
Speaker 1: and they're not wanting to see it. Like that mother
Speaker 1: in law that I just the step excuse me, stepmother,
Speaker 1: I is just telling you about she didn't want to
Speaker 1: move on. She's like, I know I was bad. If
Speaker 1: I move on, I'm gona be judged. All She knew
Speaker 1: was having in hell. That's what a religious doctrine taught her.
Speaker 1: She didn't realize there was many areas of gray in between.
Speaker 1: And I spoke to her for a while about it,
Speaker 1: and I said, and she said, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it. I said, you know, it's none of my business,
Speaker 1: and I'm always available if you want to talk to me.
Speaker 1: But my friends said she did some work with her
Speaker 1: in her mind and had some dreams of her stepmother
Speaker 1: that seemed like she was moving forward. But you know,
Speaker 1: they get to it's all free will. And I go
Speaker 1: in a situation where there's somebody that seems like they're stuck,
Speaker 1: I don't go I'm going to move you and release
Speaker 1: you to the light. I just say, is there anything
Speaker 1: you want to tell me? Can I help you in
Speaker 1: any way? Do you need something? You're you're able to
Speaker 1: contact me? And they might say no, I'm good, or
Speaker 1: they might say, yeah, you know where am I? I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had that happened many times. It's dark, I don't
Speaker 1: know where I am. And I'm just say okay, well
Speaker 1: give me some information and let's talk about it. And
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes this therapy thing. It really does,
Speaker 1: and so in that way I can work with them.
Speaker 1: I don't only if they choose to. Again, it's not
Speaker 1: that's not me judge it. Yeah, that's that's me for
Speaker 1: projecting my own crap onto them, like I got to
Speaker 1: save them. No, there's nobody to save. Everybody has to
Speaker 1: save themselves if they choose to.
Speaker 2: I'm just like a big therapy person and I think
Speaker 2: that if somebody is, you know, a terrible person on earth,
Speaker 2: well they probably could have benefited from a little therapy.
Speaker 2: Then maybe in the future when they die, they won't
Speaker 2: be absolutely.
Speaker 1: But but you get a re instill ross always helping
Speaker 1: her side. So when they transition over, you can you
Speaker 1: can do like what they call a life review. And
Speaker 1: my work is a past life therapist. For years when
Speaker 1: I was practicing psychotherapists, I would use that technique and
Speaker 1: we'd go back to where their issues started. And I
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to take them back to past lives. I
Speaker 1: was taking them back even in this life, whord your
Speaker 1: issue started, that you're working on your why you came
Speaker 1: to me for a therapy, And sometimes they go back
Speaker 1: into past lives or even future lives, and that's where
Speaker 1: they found the issue was, and it's contained within their
Speaker 1: sollular memory, not cellular sollular memory, and it's they're holding
Speaker 1: on to it and it's like learning to release that.
Speaker 1: So the help is there. So in that sense, i'm
Speaker 1: the spirit guide on earth. But then we're also working
Speaker 1: with their higher self and the other dimensions. And they
Speaker 1: often they tell me they're met with a life review
Speaker 1: and other beings they recognize. They don't know who they are,
Speaker 1: but they recognize they seem familiar. And there could be
Speaker 1: spirit guides. It could be loved ones, it could be
Speaker 1: people they don't even know, but they're like loving and
Speaker 1: they're helping them look at their life and to move
Speaker 1: forward and meaning like can you forgive yourself for that?
Speaker 1: And what would you like to do to change that?
Speaker 1: And so there is like a therapy happening, and you're like,
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: A board of of beings that you talk to. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that's good.
Speaker 1: I call it the counsel of Karen. I mean we
Speaker 1: all have our own counsels. You got your counsel of ros.
Speaker 1: I mean we all have our counsel. They're there and
Speaker 1: they're around you right now, and they're going to be
Speaker 1: there when you transition and that's that's I call it transition.
Speaker 1: You never they say you never die. Dead is just
Speaker 1: a word we use the human experience that we never die.
Speaker 1: And they said, nothing's ever dead. It just transitions to
Speaker 1: another dimension. And so you you have that counsel, you
Speaker 1: have that group. I call it mine's a collective. But
Speaker 1: when I'm doing like meditations, I call them the Council
Speaker 1: of Karen because they come to help me. And everybody
Speaker 1: has that, and one day when you're in, when you're
Speaker 1: in spirit, you may choose to do that for others.
Speaker 1: You know, we all get to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do you have enough time for a
Speaker 2: couple of listener questions?
Speaker 1: Sure do?
Speaker 2: Okay. I posted in my Facebook group called Ghosted by
Speaker 2: Rods Dress Falas, and people were so excited for you
Speaker 2: to come on here because we love talking about Jia
Speaker 2: boards and I don't know, we've.
Speaker 1: Heard I love boards.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you got the right person. Okay, here's the question.
Speaker 2: Beck's writes, is there a difference between a wija board
Speaker 2: and a spirit board or is that just a linguistic preference.
Speaker 2: I think we kind of answered that right, we.
Speaker 1: Did, But I will say this all boards are talking boards,
Speaker 1: but not all boards of wija boards, right, you know,
Speaker 1: back of what we said earlier. Clean, but a great question.
Speaker 1: I'm glad people are asking this to educate themselves.
Speaker 2: Yes, Kathy says, Karen is awesome. Can't wait? Got a fan?
Speaker 2: Marcus says, what happens if you throw one away? Because
Speaker 2: I totally did.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, people have their own superstitions. We justitions around
Speaker 1: the board. It is an inanimate object. People will lot
Speaker 1: of people want to burn them and destroy them, and
Speaker 1: I say, donate them to the Talking Board Historic Society.
Speaker 1: Go to our website TVHS dot org the addresses there,
Speaker 1: send them to us. We'll we'll use them. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: rehabitate them, but I'll do therapy on them.
Speaker 2: Have you had ones come in that people are like time,
Speaker 2: but they're like this one's haunted and then you get
Speaker 2: it and things happen or don't happen.
Speaker 1: No, things don't happen again. You gotta remember for us
Speaker 1: as the historians, and also I use the board. I mean
Speaker 1: it's it basically, it's our beliefs and I know that
Speaker 1: for me. Now other people have different beliefs, you see,
Speaker 1: So it's really going to be reflective of your own personal beliefs.
Speaker 1: So if you threw it was that, Marcus. I think
Speaker 1: you said, yes, okay, Marcus, if you threw it away,
Speaker 1: that's okay. But it's got to be okay to you first.
Speaker 1: So for you get clear within yourself that you didn't
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. You just decided the board wasn't from you.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna come after you. Those are all that's
Speaker 1: all from Hollywood and movies, and they did a great job.
Speaker 1: You know, they played upon our fears and excitement. So
Speaker 1: just let it go. Forgive yourself for doing that, because
Speaker 1: I think boards are fabulous and I would have taken
Speaker 1: it from you. So I'm kind of mad at you,
Speaker 1: but you know I'll forgive you too. But listen, it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's totally okay. You didn't do anything wrong. It's just
Speaker 1: an inanimate object. Most of them nowadays are compressed particle board.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at one right now that's from the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty sixties. It's a William Fold huge. I love. It's
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. That one's masonite. Some those boards
Speaker 1: don't burn masonit doesn't typically burn. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: all good.
Speaker 2: Which I'm sure people have tried and they're like, it
Speaker 2: won't burn, it's easy. Yeah, yes, yeah, I'm sure. Well
Speaker 2: that's funny that you say this, because when I was
Speaker 2: having my experience with my board, which I'm a big
Speaker 2: lover of anything paranormal, like mid century into the seventies
Speaker 2: even eighties a bit, I just love it. And the
Speaker 2: one that I had was one of it's a really
Speaker 2: popular one, I guess maybe seventies, the one that has
Speaker 2: like the photograph of people's hands and it's okay.
Speaker 1: That would be the Willing that excuse me, that'd be
Speaker 1: Pucker Brothers that started. That one started in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: I think it was late sixties. So I know which
Speaker 1: bored you have, and that's the one I have that
Speaker 1: I got in seventy three, which is circus seventy two.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. So when I had that, I
Speaker 2: was like what do I do with it? And everybody was, oh,
Speaker 2: you got to burn it, No, you have to give
Speaker 2: it to somebody, you have to like all these things.
Speaker 2: And I finally decided just to throw it in my
Speaker 2: dumpster and I made a conscious effort. Now I didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about anything, especially at that time. But I
Speaker 2: was just like, I have a feeling that if I
Speaker 2: just don't acknowledge that I'm throwing this away, I don't
Speaker 2: like put any energy into that, then maybe it'll close
Speaker 2: this whole chapter. And that's just what I did. I
Speaker 2: think I put it in like a garbage bag with
Speaker 2: a bunch of other stuff and just dumped it in
Speaker 2: a dumpster and nothing ever happened again.
Speaker 1: So you let it go. That's exactly see. That's it,
Speaker 1: you guys. But I'm still gonna say, don't throw them away.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry. I wish I would have known
Speaker 2: you how many years ago was this? This was probably
Speaker 2: two thousand. Well, by the time I threw it away,
Speaker 2: it was probably twenty thirteen. Wa I know, just think a.
Speaker 1: Little magic you could have with that board if you
Speaker 1: still had it.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That could have been like my co host,
Speaker 2: I could have had like a spirit on the show
Speaker 2: with me. I never know every day, I know, well,
Speaker 2: but I was really freaked out by it, and luckily
Speaker 2: nothing has happened. Nothing scary. Actually, nothing ever really truly
Speaker 2: dark or terrifying happened, I will say, And I don't
Speaker 2: think I've ever encountered that energy again.
Speaker 1: To oh, win, tell the portal on the board back,
Speaker 1: kidding spinning into your room.
Speaker 2: Okay, well here's another question. Okay, what about making one
Speaker 2: yourself out of paper?
Speaker 1: I love that one because I when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have my board with me. I just
Speaker 1: only had one board for many, many years, till about
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight nine ten. Somewhere there I started
Speaker 1: collecting boards. So I'm more of a recent collector where
Speaker 1: I just needed one. You only need one board. But
Speaker 1: I would travel, I wouldn't always bring my board with me,
Speaker 1: and so I beat somebody's house or like, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do the wage board. Karen's here, I'm like cool, do
Speaker 1: you have a pizza box? And I go, yeah, do
Speaker 1: you have a paper sack? Yeah? I would just cut
Speaker 1: them open, or take a pizza box and just draw
Speaker 1: the letters and numbers on there. Sometimes I put yes
Speaker 1: and no. You could always the plant check could always
Speaker 1: spell out yes and no. And I didn't always write
Speaker 1: goodbye because the plant chet can spell goodbye or bye.
Speaker 1: And we would just get a double old fashion or
Speaker 1: a pirate's dish or some kind of plastic lid, and
Speaker 1: I cut a little opening in it, and we just
Speaker 1: that would work every time. Homemade boards work great, you guys.
Speaker 1: In fact, people say what boards should I get? What
Speaker 1: board works the best? And my answer has always been
Speaker 1: the board that you like the best is the one
Speaker 1: that's gonna work the best because you got it, you're
Speaker 1: excited about it, and until you really know what board
Speaker 1: you want to buy, make your own. I mean you
Speaker 1: could make them on like I said, pizza box, you know,
Speaker 1: paper sack, piece of paper, poster board, wood, glass. I
Speaker 1: have a glass one a friend of mine edged for me,
Speaker 1: beautiful board. Yeah, I've seen aluminum boards. Needs to make them.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who made her own. I mean,
Speaker 1: I people people send me boards. A lot of my
Speaker 1: friends make boards and send them to me and they're
Speaker 1: just gorgeous. So any board will work as long as
Speaker 1: you work.
Speaker 2: Well, especially if you're an arts and crafty person like myself.
Speaker 1: Can see you should make your own.
Speaker 2: There we go. Okay, that was a good question. That
Speaker 2: was from Olivia.
Speaker 1: Totally good.
Speaker 2: Here's one from Kristin. Has Karen seen any Ouija boards
Speaker 2: and other languages like Chinese.
Speaker 1: Or Yes, I've seen him in Spanish. They do have
Speaker 1: them in other languages, especially when people make them themselves.
Speaker 1: But there was a one that was mass produced with Spanish.
Speaker 1: See that kind of stuff on it in audios. I've
Speaker 1: seen French. Canada created some boards too, French boards, you know,
Speaker 1: you can make them anyway. Oh here's a cool board.
Speaker 1: One of my fellow collectors, Rick Shrek, he created the
Speaker 1: Braille board. And so when you move around you do
Speaker 1: with your finger. You can go and you go into
Speaker 1: each hole and has a different letter of by Braille.
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Is that amazing? So you guys, this guy's not even
Speaker 1: limit it's unlimited. It's limitless of the type of boards
Speaker 1: you can make in all language. I have a friend
Speaker 1: who hasn't in Runic language. I've had people who've made
Speaker 1: it in just all different kinds of different singles or symbols,
Speaker 1: and and that means the language for them. I have
Speaker 1: a friend who from New Zealand who's made his. He's
Speaker 1: in touch with extrastrials. They gave him a whole different
Speaker 1: language to use. That board is actually on my website
Speaker 1: at Karenadalmond dot com. Go under galleries you'll see his board.
Speaker 1: The guy from New Zealand. It's all written in a
Speaker 1: whole different like hieroglyphic language. It's really, you know, up
Speaker 1: to you and whoever wants to make them. You get
Speaker 1: up any language, make it work to your advantage. If
Speaker 1: you have a different you want to speak in a
Speaker 1: different dialect or something.
Speaker 2: Okay, Kathy writes, I remember in early grade school, like
Speaker 2: first maybe second grade, waiting for my mom to pick
Speaker 2: me up, and these four girls sat with their legs
Speaker 2: crossed in front of each other, and they you, and
Speaker 2: they used their folded legs to put the Ouiji board on,
Speaker 2: and they were asking questions, and I just stayed watching them,
Speaker 2: and they were giggling, and the thing flipped over, and
Speaker 2: they all yelled and stood up and ran, leaving it behind.
Speaker 2: I didn't go near it. But how common is it
Speaker 2: that the actual board moves like that? Does it usually
Speaker 2: flip over? We usually hear that the planned chat does
Speaker 2: crazy things.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, that's the great, great question. And if
Speaker 1: that was me, I would have grabbed that board and
Speaker 1: took it and ran, take the goods and run. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I personally have never seen the board move on
Speaker 1: its own. I've never seen the plant chat movement. It's
Speaker 1: on its own. I like I said, I have a
Speaker 1: lot of boards, and typically they're all hanging up all
Speaker 1: over my walls or over my house. There's no mischief
Speaker 1: in anything like that nature that's happened to me. People
Speaker 1: report to me they've seen those those things, but my
Speaker 1: first time experience has been I have never seen it,
Speaker 1: but I hear stories of those kinds of things happening.
Speaker 1: So what I say is, I'll go back to what
Speaker 1: we originally said in the very beginning. I said, how
Speaker 1: maybe we're not giving ourselves enough credit to what's happening here.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was psychokinesis. Maybe they're they're because they say
Speaker 1: this is something about women or children, especially girls that
Speaker 1: are growing and developing in puberty, they tend to do
Speaker 1: a lot more telecanesis or cyclcnsis, things like move objects.
Speaker 1: There's the hazard of develop it's like the emotionality and
Speaker 1: all this abilities within them is expanding. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of psychic experiments that show they're able to do
Speaker 1: this stuff. And it usually happens with a budding girl
Speaker 1: that's beencoming into puberty going into our minsis is like
Speaker 1: able to do this stuff. So I'm not saying that's
Speaker 1: what happened there. I'm just saying, let's let's don't just
Speaker 1: confine it to that's all that. It could be maybe
Speaker 1: we're not giving ourselves credit that we're doing this ourselves
Speaker 1: and then thus scaring ourselves. But it could be just
Speaker 1: the board flipped. I don't know, never happened to me.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see.
Speaker 2: It, right. Well, yeah, and I mean that's the exact
Speaker 2: same thing with like what people classify as like a
Speaker 2: poulter Geist, I think is a lot of times it
Speaker 2: seems it tends to be centered around, you know, a
Speaker 2: girl going through puberty year around that age for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting, I mean, developing coming into their abilities,
Speaker 1: and they're just so in touch with this emotionality. I
Speaker 1: think it is what it is. But you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of things are changing. I think people are you know,
Speaker 1: that are coming in more into this world, are are
Speaker 1: more in touch with that. See, so much has changed
Speaker 1: when I was growing up. It's like you can talk
Speaker 1: about these things where I couldn't. You know, that was cuckoo,
Speaker 1: you know. And when I was practicing therapist too back
Speaker 1: in the nineties, it's like I would have lost my license,
Speaker 1: you know, talking to I was heavily doing the board,
Speaker 1: and I had a lot of clinicians who were like
Speaker 1: PhDs and other master degrees psycotherapists like myself. They'd come
Speaker 1: to me secretly and we do the Wiji board and
Speaker 1: get messages. You know, they don't want to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they won't eve to know they were doing it. You know,
Speaker 1: you didn't tell people you're seeing psychics back then. So
Speaker 1: things have changed, and so such an open openness about
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. I think people are having more
Speaker 1: and more experiences that are more psychic because they're now
Speaker 1: they're open to them. And look at all the shows
Speaker 1: on TV. Look at your Wonderful Show. There's so many
Speaker 1: podcasts and things like this that talk about these things
Speaker 1: that it really starts to open people up to say, wow,
Speaker 1: that's possible. And by the way, I had an experience
Speaker 1: and you start recalling it, and then you're just more
Speaker 1: comfortable having them, not in itself allows it to happen.
Speaker 2: With you having done this since the seventies. I mean,
Speaker 2: when did you see that shift?
Speaker 1: I would say, let me see. I would say late nineties,
Speaker 1: early two thousands, so last twenty two, twenty three, twenty
Speaker 1: four years, maybe maybe even twenty five ers, I might
Speaker 1: push it. There was a thing as a harmonic convergence.
Speaker 1: What happened and was that nineteen eighty seven, and there
Speaker 1: was a thing when people around the world were starting
Speaker 1: to feel this energy change. And then of course we
Speaker 1: had that the whole Mayan calendar thing that things supposed
Speaker 1: to shift in twenty twelve. You know what it really was.
Speaker 1: I think the roonic version kind of ushered it in.
Speaker 1: There was things always happening in our world, and things
Speaker 1: seem to happen around you know, when we changed centuries,
Speaker 1: they'd like, oh, things are going to shift. But nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven was when things really started changing. But still
Speaker 1: you weren't out in the public so much. If you were,
Speaker 1: you had a degree or a license in practicing. Now
Speaker 1: you know, I would have been called a quack. But
Speaker 1: it became probably more towards the end of the nineties,
Speaker 1: and I think it was settling in the two thousands,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of spiritual conferences and I
Speaker 1: remember starting to attend them in the nineties. Now they
Speaker 1: have conscious EFFECTSPO, but it was like different expos that
Speaker 1: were spiritual, and they didn't really call them so paranormal.
Speaker 1: It was more not even supernatural, it's more just spiritual conferences.
Speaker 1: But you got into talking about some of these topics.
Speaker 1: But then you started seeing more people talking about extraterrestrials UFOs.
Speaker 1: It became more mainstream. And then so in the two thousands,
Speaker 1: around that time, early mid twenty twelve, I think things
Speaker 1: just opened up. The whole my encounter that were in
Speaker 1: the world's supposed to end. It was really just that
Speaker 1: that one level of the cycle for the minds was
Speaker 1: changing and shifting. So there was those all these shifts
Speaker 1: you see in different cultures. But yeah, last twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five years, I think I've seen more people being able
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And really in the last decade,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, when all the ghost shows started, right
Speaker 1: and now people go to school they're talking about I mean,
Speaker 1: I know people that are getting their dissertations and master's
Speaker 1: degree doing stuff unhaunted stuff. You know, we had pockets
Speaker 1: of that, Like I really wanted.
Speaker 2: To be a.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, can you think of the name of right now,
Speaker 1: But I wanted to be somebody who actually did research
Speaker 1: into the paranormal and haunted stuff as a psychologist. Thank
Speaker 1: you and that word was even out there. Then I
Speaker 1: was like, I guess it can't be that. I'll just
Speaker 1: do it on the side. We wore, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But now they have schools that are doing that.
Speaker 1: You can get a degree in that.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: I know, huh. I know a wonderful parapsychologist in the
Speaker 1: UK and it does a great job. But that's expanding.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's so much more open now and
Speaker 1: it's because of that we are able to sense things
Speaker 1: more because now we're given the permission that it's okay
Speaker 1: to do this and talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just wonderful. It seems that the TV shows,
Speaker 2: I think, really made a big difference. I think like
Speaker 2: the X Files and the nineties into the late nineties,
Speaker 2: and then the reality show started in the two thousands,
Speaker 2: and then it seems that that's when it became a
Speaker 2: little bit more acceptable or what ever to have these
Speaker 2: conversations publicly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, reality shows said hey, you could do this too.
Speaker 1: These are just regular people doing this and YouTube and
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to be ghost hunter at that point. And
Speaker 1: then you see all these conferences now, all these huge
Speaker 1: paranormal conferences like I mentioned Michigan Para Con in August.
Speaker 1: I'll be at and that's a huge paranormal probably one
Speaker 1: of the largest ones in the world and definitely in
Speaker 1: the United States. And you know, four thousand whatever plus
Speaker 1: people be going through those doors. It's pretty huge. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, and all we're doing there is
Speaker 1: talking about all facets of the paranormal. It's really exciting,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can do that. Now, you can
Speaker 1: do that. It's it's so liberating to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: It feels great.
Speaker 2: Final question. Okay, here's one more listener question, and I
Speaker 2: like this one from Roxy who writes is it Safe
Speaker 2: to Play Alone?
Speaker 1: I like that question too, because you know, as I
Speaker 1: was growing up, I always used it with somebody. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because the back of the box said,
Speaker 1: you know, sit across leg it or sit across from
Speaker 1: a partner, preferably male female. Okay, so I thought I
Speaker 1: had to do I hear I do it with another
Speaker 1: a man. So it's always my brother. I always come on,
Speaker 1: I get over here, I need you. I need you
Speaker 1: to get here and do this with me. And then
Speaker 1: I said, well, screw that. He doesn't want to do it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my girlfriend. So it just you know,
Speaker 1: I started going beyond what I read on the back
Speaker 1: of the box, creating my own rituals and stuff around it.
Speaker 1: But then I never used it alone. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: because I had any weird superstition about it. It was
Speaker 1: just that I just enjoyed using it with the person
Speaker 1: and it worked so well. And so it was thirty
Speaker 1: nine years of using it by myself before I started
Speaker 1: trying it by myself. I mean using it with a
Speaker 1: partner before trying it by myself. It was thirty nine
Speaker 1: years it took, so then I can use it by myself.
Speaker 1: So when I wrote one of my books I talked
Speaker 1: about didn't really I don't really recommend it in the beginning,
Speaker 1: not because of any weird superstition, just because it's going
Speaker 1: to be so freaking hard. People say it won't move.
Speaker 1: I've been using it for a week, or I just
Speaker 1: go tried it for three hours. It's still not working.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you if you try it by yourself,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so dang difficult. Because now there are
Speaker 1: the exceptions to the rule always, but it's because it's
Speaker 1: such a subtle energy, and you're gonna second guess yourself
Speaker 1: when it starts to move. But if somebody else has
Speaker 1: their hands on that plant chat and it starts to move,
Speaker 1: you might go, oh, they're pushing it. But you're gonna
Speaker 1: follow the movement you see more readily than you would
Speaker 1: if you're by yourself. So when you're by so it's
Speaker 1: such a subtle movement, you guys, it's very easy to miss.
Speaker 1: I mean hard. It's even hard for me. And I
Speaker 1: can do it by myself, but I prefer not to
Speaker 1: still prefer a partner, and I just enjoy the camaraderie
Speaker 1: doing it with somebody. So you can use it by yourself.
Speaker 1: There's no not safe. It's not like it's not safe
Speaker 1: or it's fearful or it's bad and not if people
Speaker 1: say that, don't use it by yourself. It's one of
Speaker 1: the legendary rules of using the board. You can. You
Speaker 1: can use it by yourself. But I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what good luck it's gonna be. It's gonna be pretty
Speaker 1: hard to do right, it will be well.
Speaker 2: And I'm tempted even to bring up like the whole
Speaker 2: idio motor conversation, but sure, that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: Well, let's just touch on that real quickly. What were
Speaker 1: you going to say, ros, I think it's really important.
Speaker 1: We really we really do need to take to take
Speaker 1: that in considerations. What were you going to say about that?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just I'm curious your take. But I do
Speaker 2: know a bit about that from you know, pendulums and
Speaker 2: weija boards of this. I mean, as I understand it,
Speaker 2: it's you know, your brain is sort of telling your
Speaker 2: bodies vibrations to move. I don't know. You tell me
Speaker 2: you're the pro.
Speaker 1: Well, that's it that you said, exactly right. It just
Speaker 1: basically means that the brain controls your find muscle movement
Speaker 1: and it coordinates it and without to you, without your
Speaker 1: no knowledge. So it's like an unconscious movement that automatically
Speaker 1: starts to happen. Now I'm not against that. By the way,
Speaker 1: people go, oh, you're against No, I'm not against it. Listen.
Speaker 1: I can't explain exactly how this works. I can only
Speaker 1: tell you what the guys have told me. I can
Speaker 1: only tell you my experiences. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to eating motor because one one here
Speaker 1: and it was four years I was with a group
Speaker 1: of friends eighty nine through ninety three. We pretty much exclusively.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a few times we talked to
Speaker 1: other beings, but we did an experiment. It lasted about
Speaker 1: four years. All we wanted to do is talk to
Speaker 1: our higher self. Now, i'll hire yourself. Is that part
Speaker 1: of you that's within your body, but it's also beyond
Speaker 1: your body. But in fact, you're talking to yourself. So
Speaker 1: you could call it a higher mind, an over soul,
Speaker 1: your greater self, or even your inner self. But I
Speaker 1: call it my higher self. It's a psychological term from
Speaker 1: union psychology. I call it my higher self. So we
Speaker 1: spoke to our higher self, and people could argue and
Speaker 1: say that was your either motor pera. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Gave me such great advice, such good words of wisdom.
Speaker 1: In fact, all three of us were like brand new
Speaker 1: working in our career field. We're all kinds of the
Speaker 1: therapist teacher kind of thing and working with people, and
Speaker 1: we just wanted to be the best we could be
Speaker 1: and eager to get out there and put a mark
Speaker 1: in the world and do a good job. And it
Speaker 1: gave us so much wonderful advice. So because of that
Speaker 1: experiment experience, an experiment we did. I'm not opposed to
Speaker 1: saying adiomotor could be part of it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that shootybody down for that. I
Speaker 1: do feel I will say this, I really do feel
Speaker 1: like I'm communicating these days with something external to me,
Speaker 1: and I do know I can communicate with something internal
Speaker 1: to me too, so I can do both.
Speaker 2: Well, Karen, this has been great. I so appreciate not
Speaker 2: only your time, but your openness and what you've taught
Speaker 2: us today. So thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're so welcome. You're your great host,
Speaker 1: and it's great talking with you because you ask all
Speaker 1: the questions and you make it into a dialogue and
Speaker 1: I enjoy sharing with your audience here you guys, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us and asking your wonderful
Speaker 1: questions and being a part of the show.
Speaker 2: But thank you.
Speaker 1: Roser's absolute joy for me.
Speaker 2: Great. Well, I want everyone to, you know, follow everything
Speaker 2: you got going on, So can you tell them where
Speaker 2: to get your books and everything that you wi everything
Speaker 2: you do?
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for this opportunities. Yeah, so easy
Speaker 1: way is go to Karen A Dollman d A. H
Speaker 1: L M A N Karen A Dahmen, and you'll see
Speaker 1: everything I've got going on there, events that are coming up,
Speaker 1: past shows I've done. It'll talk talk about some of
Speaker 1: the gigs I'm doing this year since we've opened back up,
Speaker 1: and I've got a few lectures I do and traveling
Speaker 1: for those, and then my books are all listed there,
Speaker 1: and I also sew the books on Amazon if it's
Speaker 1: easier that way. You can get it on Amazon around
Speaker 1: the world. And if you buy a book and you
Speaker 1: come out and meet me somewhere, I'll be happy to
Speaker 1: sign it. I do sell books at my events as well.
Speaker 1: Join my YouTube channel. You can access all of that
Speaker 1: at my website or you just find me at Karen
Speaker 1: A Dolman anywhere on social media, and then of course
Speaker 1: YouTube YouTube. I have like two hundred plus more than
Speaker 1: that videos all about this really cool Weja tool and
Speaker 1: also how to access the Unseen Dimensions with myself and
Speaker 1: my guest. And again, this is what a joy this
Speaker 1: has been. Raw's fabulous. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Of course, where are you based out of.
Speaker 1: I live in Scottsdale, Arizona. I was in southern cal
Speaker 1: I moved here recently and now I'm living in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Speaker 2: Are there UFOs there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, really, but let me tell you this,
Speaker 1: there everywhere, and I have night vision goggles so I
Speaker 1: am able to go out and see all kinds of
Speaker 1: weird lights. So you know, I guess say one more
Speaker 1: thing real quickly. People say, well, you've got to go
Speaker 1: to a haunted place, so you got to go where
Speaker 1: the hotbed of activity is. I've got to say, no spirits,
Speaker 1: non local, so you could be anywhere and talk and
Speaker 1: tap into spirits. So anyway, just want to fill it
Speaker 1: out there. We never got to that O.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Karen A. Dolman. If you
Speaker 2: want to hear a little bit more, go to patreon
Speaker 2: dot com slash rosdres Falas. On my second tier, you
Speaker 2: can hear her talking about what it's like when animals
Speaker 2: come through on a wija board, and you can watch
Speaker 2: that video of me on my first tier talking about
Speaker 2: my favorite horror movies this summer. I thought it was
Speaker 2: so cool to have Karen on this show. You know,
Speaker 2: there's like just so much stigma about wija boards, and
Speaker 2: of course, like with all episodes of this show, I
Speaker 2: like to give, you know, different insights and ideas and opinions,
Speaker 2: and maybe it'll change yours about wija boards. It makes
Speaker 2: me a little bit less scared. You know, it's it's
Speaker 2: one person's experience and insight. But she's done it for
Speaker 2: a long time. I can only imagine she has used
Speaker 2: a wija board thousands of times, and she doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to have much negative to say about it. So I
Speaker 2: find that kind of inspiring. Will I play with a
Speaker 2: wija board? I don't know if I'm there yet, but
Speaker 2: this conversation makes me not as scared. Thank you guys
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