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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Hey, I'm said Ross.

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Speaker 2: Pllease he boo, it's me Ross. How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Everything great? I'm doing just fine. I was checking the

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Speaker 2: five star reviews and Apple podcasts and oh my god,

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Speaker 2: for some reason, there's a ton of them, a bunch

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Speaker 2: of brand new ones. So thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 2: It's so nice to see that, and and all the

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Speaker 2: nice things that you guys say. I really really appreciate

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Speaker 2: you all so so much. You've gotten me through this

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Speaker 2: past year, that is for damn sure. But I saw

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Speaker 2: there's a ghost story that is hot off the press,

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Speaker 2: is just posted that I wanted to read because there's

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Speaker 2: something mentioned in here. This comes from roxy Am and

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Speaker 2: they say a bunch of nice things they've heard me

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Speaker 2: on Chatty Broad's one of my favorite podcasts. And for

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Speaker 2: the ghost story, okay, I'll share my most freaky experience.

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Speaker 2: They write, I've had a run in with a self

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Speaker 2: made wija board as a teen. Yes, not the best

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Speaker 2: idea in retrospect. Okay, Now that's the part that really

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Speaker 2: I am here for part two with Wija Queen Karen

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Speaker 2: Adolman and Karen A. Doleman answers a question about homemade

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Speaker 2: to look out for that. But anyway, back to Roxyam's

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Speaker 2: beautiful five star review. Ghost story. So the story that

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Speaker 2: of my podcast. There's also a couple of news stories

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Speaker 2: Okay. I posted in my Facebook group called Ghosted by

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Speaker 2: Rods Dress Falas, and people were so excited for you

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Speaker 2: to come on here because we love talking about Jia

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Speaker 2: Yes, Kathy says, Karen is awesome. Can't wait? Got a fan?

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Speaker 1: send them to us. We'll we'll use them. Well, we'll

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Speaker 2: Have you had ones come in that people are like time,

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Speaker 1: No, things don't happen again. You gotta remember for us

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Speaker 1: that's okay. But it's got to be okay to you first.

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00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: So for you get clear within yourself that you didn't

431
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. You just decided the board wasn't from you.

432
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: It's not gonna come after you. Those are all that's

433
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: all from Hollywood and movies, and they did a great job.

434
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: You know, they played upon our fears and excitement. So

435
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: just let it go. Forgive yourself for doing that, because

436
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: I think boards are fabulous and I would have taken

437
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: it from you. So I'm kind of mad at you,

438
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 1: but you know I'll forgive you too. But listen, it's okay.

439
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: It's totally okay. You didn't do anything wrong. It's just

440
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: an inanimate object. Most of them nowadays are compressed particle board.

441
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at one right now that's from the nineteen

442
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: fifty sixties. It's a William Fold huge. I love. It's

443
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. That one's masonite. Some those boards

444
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: don't burn masonit doesn't typically burn. But you know, it's

445
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: all good.

446
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: Which I'm sure people have tried and they're like, it

447
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: won't burn, it's easy. Yeah, yes, yeah, I'm sure. Well

448
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: that's funny that you say this, because when I was

449
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: having my experience with my board, which I'm a big

450
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: lover of anything paranormal, like mid century into the seventies

451
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: even eighties a bit, I just love it. And the

452
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: one that I had was one of it's a really

453
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: popular one, I guess maybe seventies, the one that has

454
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: like the photograph of people's hands and it's okay.

455
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: That would be the Willing that excuse me, that'd be

456
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: Pucker Brothers that started. That one started in nineteen sixty eight,

457
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: I think it was late sixties. So I know which

458
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: bored you have, and that's the one I have that

459
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: I got in seventy three, which is circus seventy two.

460
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. So when I had that, I

461
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: was like what do I do with it? And everybody was, oh,

462
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: you got to burn it, No, you have to give

463
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: it to somebody, you have to like all these things.

464
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 2: And I finally decided just to throw it in my

465
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: dumpster and I made a conscious effort. Now I didn't

466
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: know anything about anything, especially at that time. But I

467
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: was just like, I have a feeling that if I

468
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: just don't acknowledge that I'm throwing this away, I don't

469
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: like put any energy into that, then maybe it'll close

470
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: this whole chapter. And that's just what I did. I

471
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: think I put it in like a garbage bag with

472
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 2: a bunch of other stuff and just dumped it in

473
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: a dumpster and nothing ever happened again.

474
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: So you let it go. That's exactly see. That's it,

475
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: you guys. But I'm still gonna say, don't throw them away.

476
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry. I wish I would have known

477
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: you how many years ago was this? This was probably

478
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: two thousand. Well, by the time I threw it away,

479
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: it was probably twenty thirteen. Wa I know, just think a.

480
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Little magic you could have with that board if you

481
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: still had it.

482
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That could have been like my co host,

483
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: I could have had like a spirit on the show

484
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: with me. I never know every day, I know, well,

485
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: but I was really freaked out by it, and luckily

486
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: nothing has happened. Nothing scary. Actually, nothing ever really truly

487
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: dark or terrifying happened, I will say, And I don't

488
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: think I've ever encountered that energy again.

489
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: To oh, win, tell the portal on the board back,

490
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: kidding spinning into your room.

491
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well here's another question. Okay, what about making one

492
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: yourself out of paper?

493
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: I love that one because I when I was younger,

494
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have my board with me. I just

495
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: only had one board for many, many years, till about

496
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight nine ten. Somewhere there I started

497
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: collecting boards. So I'm more of a recent collector where

498
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: I just needed one. You only need one board. But

499
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: I would travel, I wouldn't always bring my board with me,

500
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: and so I beat somebody's house or like, yeah, let's

501
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: do the wage board. Karen's here, I'm like cool, do

502
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: you have a pizza box? And I go, yeah, do

503
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: you have a paper sack? Yeah? I would just cut

504
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: them open, or take a pizza box and just draw

505
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: the letters and numbers on there. Sometimes I put yes

506
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: and no. You could always the plant check could always

507
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: spell out yes and no. And I didn't always write

508
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: goodbye because the plant chet can spell goodbye or bye.

509
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: And we would just get a double old fashion or

510
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: a pirate's dish or some kind of plastic lid, and

511
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: I cut a little opening in it, and we just

512
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: that would work every time. Homemade boards work great, you guys.

513
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: In fact, people say what boards should I get? What

514
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: board works the best? And my answer has always been

515
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: the board that you like the best is the one

516
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna work the best because you got it, you're

517
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: excited about it, and until you really know what board

518
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: you want to buy, make your own. I mean you

519
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: could make them on like I said, pizza box, you know,

520
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: paper sack, piece of paper, poster board, wood, glass. I

521
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: have a glass one a friend of mine edged for me,

522
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: beautiful board. Yeah, I've seen aluminum boards. Needs to make them.

523
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: I have a friend who made her own. I mean,

524
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: I people people send me boards. A lot of my

525
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: friends make boards and send them to me and they're

526
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: just gorgeous. So any board will work as long as

527
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: you work.

528
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Well, especially if you're an arts and crafty person like myself.

529
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: Can see you should make your own.

530
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: There we go. Okay, that was a good question. That

531
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: was from Olivia.

532
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Totally good.

533
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: Here's one from Kristin. Has Karen seen any Ouija boards

534
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: and other languages like Chinese.

535
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: Or Yes, I've seen him in Spanish. They do have

536
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: them in other languages, especially when people make them themselves.

537
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: But there was a one that was mass produced with Spanish.

538
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: See that kind of stuff on it in audios. I've

539
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: seen French. Canada created some boards too, French boards, you know,

540
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: you can make them anyway. Oh here's a cool board.

541
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: One of my fellow collectors, Rick Shrek, he created the

542
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: Braille board. And so when you move around you do

543
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: with your finger. You can go and you go into

544
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: each hole and has a different letter of by Braille.

545
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing.

546
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: Is that amazing? So you guys, this guy's not even

547
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: limit it's unlimited. It's limitless of the type of boards

548
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: you can make in all language. I have a friend

549
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: who hasn't in Runic language. I've had people who've made

550
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: it in just all different kinds of different singles or symbols,

551
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: and and that means the language for them. I have

552
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: a friend who from New Zealand who's made his. He's

553
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: in touch with extrastrials. They gave him a whole different

554
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: language to use. That board is actually on my website

555
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: at Karenadalmond dot com. Go under galleries you'll see his board.

556
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: The guy from New Zealand. It's all written in a

557
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: whole different like hieroglyphic language. It's really, you know, up

558
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: to you and whoever wants to make them. You get

559
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: up any language, make it work to your advantage. If

560
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: you have a different you want to speak in a

561
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: different dialect or something.

562
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Kathy writes, I remember in early grade school, like

563
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: first maybe second grade, waiting for my mom to pick

564
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: me up, and these four girls sat with their legs

565
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: crossed in front of each other, and they you, and

566
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: they used their folded legs to put the Ouiji board on,

567
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: and they were asking questions, and I just stayed watching them,

568
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: and they were giggling, and the thing flipped over, and

569
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: they all yelled and stood up and ran, leaving it behind.

570
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: I didn't go near it. But how common is it

571
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: that the actual board moves like that? Does it usually

572
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: flip over? We usually hear that the planned chat does

573
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: crazy things.

574
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Well, you know, that's the great, great question. And if

575
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: that was me, I would have grabbed that board and

576
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: took it and ran, take the goods and run. Okay.

577
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: So I personally have never seen the board move on

578
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: its own. I've never seen the plant chat movement. It's

579
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: on its own. I like I said, I have a

580
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: lot of boards, and typically they're all hanging up all

581
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: over my walls or over my house. There's no mischief

582
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: in anything like that nature that's happened to me. People

583
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: report to me they've seen those those things, but my

584
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: first time experience has been I have never seen it,

585
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: but I hear stories of those kinds of things happening.

586
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: So what I say is, I'll go back to what

587
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 1: we originally said in the very beginning. I said, how

588
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: maybe we're not giving ourselves enough credit to what's happening here.

589
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it was psychokinesis. Maybe they're they're because they say

590
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: this is something about women or children, especially girls that

591
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: are growing and developing in puberty, they tend to do

592
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot more telecanesis or cyclcnsis, things like move objects.

593
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: There's the hazard of develop it's like the emotionality and

594
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: all this abilities within them is expanding. And there's a

595
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of psychic experiments that show they're able to do

596
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: this stuff. And it usually happens with a budding girl

597
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: that's beencoming into puberty going into our minsis is like

598
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: able to do this stuff. So I'm not saying that's

599
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: what happened there. I'm just saying, let's let's don't just

600
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: confine it to that's all that. It could be maybe

601
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: we're not giving ourselves credit that we're doing this ourselves

602
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: and then thus scaring ourselves. But it could be just

603
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: the board flipped. I don't know, never happened to me.

604
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I'd love to see.

605
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: It, right. Well, yeah, and I mean that's the exact

606
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: same thing with like what people classify as like a

607
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: poulter Geist, I think is a lot of times it

608
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: seems it tends to be centered around, you know, a

609
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: girl going through puberty year around that age for whatever reason.

610
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting, I mean, developing coming into their abilities,

611
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: and they're just so in touch with this emotionality. I

612
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: think it is what it is. But you know, a

613
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: lot of things are changing. I think people are you know,

614
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: that are coming in more into this world, are are

615
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: more in touch with that. See, so much has changed

616
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: when I was growing up. It's like you can talk

617
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: about these things where I couldn't. You know, that was cuckoo,

618
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 1: you know. And when I was practicing therapist too back

619
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: in the nineties, it's like I would have lost my license,

620
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, talking to I was heavily doing the board,

621
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and I had a lot of clinicians who were like

622
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: PhDs and other master degrees psycotherapists like myself. They'd come

623
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: to me secretly and we do the Wiji board and

624
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: get messages. You know, they don't want to know. Yeah,

625
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: they won't eve to know they were doing it. You know,

626
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: you didn't tell people you're seeing psychics back then. So

627
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: things have changed, and so such an open openness about

628
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. I think people are having more

629
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: and more experiences that are more psychic because they're now

630
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: they're open to them. And look at all the shows

631
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: on TV. Look at your Wonderful Show. There's so many

632
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: podcasts and things like this that talk about these things

633
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: that it really starts to open people up to say, wow,

634
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: that's possible. And by the way, I had an experience

635
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: and you start recalling it, and then you're just more

636
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: comfortable having them, not in itself allows it to happen.

637
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: With you having done this since the seventies. I mean,

638
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 2: when did you see that shift?

639
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I would say, let me see. I would say late nineties,

640
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: early two thousands, so last twenty two, twenty three, twenty

641
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: four years, maybe maybe even twenty five ers, I might

642
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: push it. There was a thing as a harmonic convergence.

643
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: What happened and was that nineteen eighty seven, and there

644
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: was a thing when people around the world were starting

645
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: to feel this energy change. And then of course we

646
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: had that the whole Mayan calendar thing that things supposed

647
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: to shift in twenty twelve. You know what it really was.

648
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: I think the roonic version kind of ushered it in.

649
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: There was things always happening in our world, and things

650
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: seem to happen around you know, when we changed centuries,

651
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: they'd like, oh, things are going to shift. But nineteen

652
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: eighty seven was when things really started changing. But still

653
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: you weren't out in the public so much. If you were,

654
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: you had a degree or a license in practicing. Now

655
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, I would have been called a quack. But

656
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: it became probably more towards the end of the nineties,

657
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: and I think it was settling in the two thousands,

658
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of spiritual conferences and I

659
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: remember starting to attend them in the nineties. Now they

660
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: have conscious EFFECTSPO, but it was like different expos that

661
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: were spiritual, and they didn't really call them so paranormal.

662
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: It was more not even supernatural, it's more just spiritual conferences.

663
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: But you got into talking about some of these topics.

664
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: But then you started seeing more people talking about extraterrestrials UFOs.

665
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: It became more mainstream. And then so in the two thousands,

666
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: around that time, early mid twenty twelve, I think things

667
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: just opened up. The whole my encounter that were in

668
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: the world's supposed to end. It was really just that

669
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: that one level of the cycle for the minds was

670
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: changing and shifting. So there was those all these shifts

671
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: you see in different cultures. But yeah, last twenty twenty

672
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: five years, I think I've seen more people being able

673
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And really in the last decade,

674
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, when all the ghost shows started, right

675
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: and now people go to school they're talking about I mean,

676
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: I know people that are getting their dissertations and master's

677
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: degree doing stuff unhaunted stuff. You know, we had pockets

678
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: of that, Like I really wanted.

679
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: To be a.

680
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, can you think of the name of right now,

681
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: But I wanted to be somebody who actually did research

682
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: into the paranormal and haunted stuff as a psychologist. Thank

683
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: you and that word was even out there. Then I

684
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: was like, I guess it can't be that. I'll just

685
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: do it on the side. We wore, you know, kind

686
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: of thing. But now they have schools that are doing that.

687
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: You can get a degree in that.

688
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: I want to.

689
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: I know, huh. I know a wonderful parapsychologist in the

690
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: UK and it does a great job. But that's expanding.

691
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: So it's like it's so much more open now and

692
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: it's because of that we are able to sense things

693
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: more because now we're given the permission that it's okay

694
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: to do this and talk about it.

695
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just wonderful. It seems that the TV shows,

696
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: I think, really made a big difference. I think like

697
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: the X Files and the nineties into the late nineties,

698
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: and then the reality show started in the two thousands,

699
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: and then it seems that that's when it became a

700
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: little bit more acceptable or what ever to have these

701
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: conversations publicly.

702
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, reality shows said hey, you could do this too.

703
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: These are just regular people doing this and YouTube and

704
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to be ghost hunter at that point. And

705
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: then you see all these conferences now, all these huge

706
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: paranormal conferences like I mentioned Michigan Para Con in August.

707
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll be at and that's a huge paranormal probably one

708
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: of the largest ones in the world and definitely in

709
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: the United States. And you know, four thousand whatever plus

710
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: people be going through those doors. It's pretty huge. And

711
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, and all we're doing there is

712
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: talking about all facets of the paranormal. It's really exciting,

713
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, and you can do that. Now, you can

714
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: do that. It's it's so liberating to be honest with you.

715
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: It feels great.

716
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: Final question. Okay, here's one more listener question, and I

717
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: like this one from Roxy who writes is it Safe

718
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: to Play Alone?

719
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: I like that question too, because you know, as I

720
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: was growing up, I always used it with somebody. And

721
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because the back of the box said,

722
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: you know, sit across leg it or sit across from

723
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: a partner, preferably male female. Okay, so I thought I

724
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: had to do I hear I do it with another

725
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: a man. So it's always my brother. I always come on,

726
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: I get over here, I need you. I need you

727
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: to get here and do this with me. And then

728
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: I said, well, screw that. He doesn't want to do it,

729
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my girlfriend. So it just you know,

730
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: I started going beyond what I read on the back

731
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: of the box, creating my own rituals and stuff around it.

732
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: But then I never used it alone. And it wasn't

733
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: because I had any weird superstition about it. It was

734
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: just that I just enjoyed using it with the person

735
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: and it worked so well. And so it was thirty

736
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: nine years of using it by myself before I started

737
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: trying it by myself. I mean using it with a

738
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: partner before trying it by myself. It was thirty nine

739
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: years it took, so then I can use it by myself.

740
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: So when I wrote one of my books I talked

741
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: about didn't really I don't really recommend it in the beginning,

742
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: not because of any weird superstition, just because it's going

743
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: to be so freaking hard. People say it won't move.

744
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: I've been using it for a week, or I just

745
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: go tried it for three hours. It's still not working.

746
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you if you try it by yourself,

747
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so dang difficult. Because now there are

748
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: the exceptions to the rule always, but it's because it's

749
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: such a subtle energy, and you're gonna second guess yourself

750
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: when it starts to move. But if somebody else has

751
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: their hands on that plant chat and it starts to move,

752
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: you might go, oh, they're pushing it. But you're gonna

753
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: follow the movement you see more readily than you would

754
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: if you're by yourself. So when you're by so it's

755
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: such a subtle movement, you guys, it's very easy to miss.

756
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: I mean hard. It's even hard for me. And I

757
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: can do it by myself, but I prefer not to

758
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: still prefer a partner, and I just enjoy the camaraderie

759
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: doing it with somebody. So you can use it by yourself.

760
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: There's no not safe. It's not like it's not safe

761
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: or it's fearful or it's bad and not if people

762
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: say that, don't use it by yourself. It's one of

763
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: the legendary rules of using the board. You can. You

764
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: can use it by yourself. But I'm gonna tell you

765
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: what good luck it's gonna be. It's gonna be pretty

766
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: hard to do right, it will be well.

767
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: And I'm tempted even to bring up like the whole

768
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: idio motor conversation, but sure, that's a whole other thing.

769
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: Well, let's just touch on that real quickly. What were

770
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: you going to say, ros, I think it's really important.

771
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: We really we really do need to take to take

772
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: that in considerations. What were you going to say about that?

773
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just I'm curious your take. But I do

774
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: know a bit about that from you know, pendulums and

775
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: weija boards of this. I mean, as I understand it,

776
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: it's you know, your brain is sort of telling your

777
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: bodies vibrations to move. I don't know. You tell me

778
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: you're the pro.

779
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: Well, that's it that you said, exactly right. It just

780
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: basically means that the brain controls your find muscle movement

781
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: and it coordinates it and without to you, without your

782
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: no knowledge. So it's like an unconscious movement that automatically

783
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: starts to happen. Now I'm not against that. By the way,

784
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: people go, oh, you're against No, I'm not against it. Listen.

785
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: I can't explain exactly how this works. I can only

786
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: tell you what the guys have told me. I can

787
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: only tell you my experiences. But I will say this,

788
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to eating motor because one one here

789
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: and it was four years I was with a group

790
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: of friends eighty nine through ninety three. We pretty much exclusively.

791
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean there was a few times we talked to

792
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: other beings, but we did an experiment. It lasted about

793
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: four years. All we wanted to do is talk to

794
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: our higher self. Now, i'll hire yourself. Is that part

795
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: of you that's within your body, but it's also beyond

796
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: your body. But in fact, you're talking to yourself. So

797
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: you could call it a higher mind, an over soul,

798
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: your greater self, or even your inner self. But I

799
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: call it my higher self. It's a psychological term from

800
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: union psychology. I call it my higher self. So we

801
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: spoke to our higher self, and people could argue and

802
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: say that was your either motor pera. I'll take it.

803
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: Gave me such great advice, such good words of wisdom.

804
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: In fact, all three of us were like brand new

805
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: working in our career field. We're all kinds of the

806
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: therapist teacher kind of thing and working with people, and

807
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: we just wanted to be the best we could be

808
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: and eager to get out there and put a mark

809
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: in the world and do a good job. And it

810
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: gave us so much wonderful advice. So because of that

811
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: experiment experience, an experiment we did. I'm not opposed to

812
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: saying adiomotor could be part of it. I don't know.

813
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that shootybody down for that. I

814
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: do feel I will say this, I really do feel

815
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: like I'm communicating these days with something external to me,

816
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: and I do know I can communicate with something internal

817
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: to me too, so I can do both.

818
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: Well, Karen, this has been great. I so appreciate not

819
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: only your time, but your openness and what you've taught

820
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: us today. So thank you so much.

821
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're so welcome. You're your great host,

822
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: and it's great talking with you because you ask all

823
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: the questions and you make it into a dialogue and

824
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: I enjoy sharing with your audience here you guys, thank

825
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us and asking your wonderful

826
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: questions and being a part of the show.

827
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: But thank you.

828
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: Roser's absolute joy for me.

829
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: Great. Well, I want everyone to, you know, follow everything

830
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: you got going on, So can you tell them where

831
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: to get your books and everything that you wi everything

832
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: you do?

833
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for this opportunities. Yeah, so easy

834
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Speaker 1: way is go to Karen A Dollman d A. H

835
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: L M A N Karen A Dahmen, and you'll see

836
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: everything I've got going on there, events that are coming up,

837
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: past shows I've done. It'll talk talk about some of

838
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: the gigs I'm doing this year since we've opened back up,

839
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: and I've got a few lectures I do and traveling

840
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: for those, and then my books are all listed there,

841
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: and I also sew the books on Amazon if it's

842
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: easier that way. You can get it on Amazon around

843
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: the world. And if you buy a book and you

844
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: come out and meet me somewhere, I'll be happy to

845
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: sign it. I do sell books at my events as well.

846
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: Join my YouTube channel. You can access all of that

847
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: at my website or you just find me at Karen

848
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: A Dolman anywhere on social media, and then of course

849
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: YouTube YouTube. I have like two hundred plus more than

850
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: that videos all about this really cool Weja tool and

851
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: also how to access the Unseen Dimensions with myself and

852
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: my guest. And again, this is what a joy this

853
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: has been. Raw's fabulous. Thank you for having me.

854
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: Of course, where are you based out of.

855
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: I live in Scottsdale, Arizona. I was in southern cal

856
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: I moved here recently and now I'm living in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Are there UFOs there?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, really, but let me tell you this,

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Speaker 1: there everywhere, and I have night vision goggles so I

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Speaker 1: am able to go out and see all kinds of

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Speaker 1: weird lights. So you know, I guess say one more

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Speaker 1: thing real quickly. People say, well, you've got to go

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Speaker 1: to a haunted place, so you got to go where

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Speaker 1: the hotbed of activity is. I've got to say, no spirits,

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Speaker 1: non local, so you could be anywhere and talk and

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Speaker 1: tap into spirits. So anyway, just want to fill it

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Speaker 1: out there. We never got to that O.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much to Karen A. Dolman. If you

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Speaker 2: want to hear a little bit more, go to patreon

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Speaker 2: dot com slash rosdres Falas. On my second tier, you

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Speaker 2: can hear her talking about what it's like when animals

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Speaker 2: come through on a wija board, and you can watch

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Speaker 2: that video of me on my first tier talking about

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Speaker 2: my favorite horror movies this summer. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: so cool to have Karen on this show. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's like just so much stigma about wija boards, and

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Speaker 2: of course, like with all episodes of this show, I

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Speaker 2: like to give, you know, different insights and ideas and opinions,

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Speaker 2: and maybe it'll change yours about wija boards. It makes

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Speaker 2: me a little bit less scared. You know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: one person's experience and insight. But she's done it for

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Speaker 2: a long time. I can only imagine she has used

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Speaker 2: a wija board thousands of times, and she doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: to have much negative to say about it. So I

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Speaker 2: find that kind of inspiring. Will I play with a

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Speaker 2: wija board? I don't know if I'm there yet, but

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Speaker 2: this conversation makes me not as scared. Thank you guys

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Speaker 2: for tuning in. Please rate the show five stars on

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, and if you have a ghost story to share,

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Speaker 2: you can put it in a five star review on

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts. You could also email it to me at

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Speaker 2: ghosted by ras at gmail dot com, or you can

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Speaker 2: put it in our Facebook group ghosted by rosdres Fales.

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Speaker 2: And of course I want to do listener episodes all

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Speaker 2: the time, so if you have a ghost story that

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Speaker 2: you want to share on the show, you could email

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Speaker 2: me at ghosted by rosigmail dot com with the subject

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Speaker 2: line listener episode. I'm also on cameo at Rozdresfales. I'm

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Speaker 2: on Instagram at roz Hernandez and make sure you are

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Speaker 2: subscribed because I have recorded some of our upcoming episodes

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Speaker 2: and they are juicy. I love you all, both living

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Speaker 2: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,

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Speaker 2: don't haunt me. Hey bye.

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