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Speaker 1: Phil Hi.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Kyle Forber and welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior,

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Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury, todds Alecky. It's the Philly Show. It is Monday,

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Speaker 2: December eighth, twenty twenty five. The Winter Meetings begin today. Jim. Oh,

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Speaker 2: A favorite time of year.

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Speaker 1: Favorite time of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeaht her Sunday night. It was a bit of a

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Speaker 2: bear getting down here, but you know where, we're ready

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Speaker 2: to rock and roll. A lot of the butt. The

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Speaker 2: lobby is buzzing already, a lot of talk about Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 2: I think we should start there.

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Speaker 3: Jim, Well, you already started there. He gave today's intro

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Speaker 3: to The Philly Show.

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Speaker 1: That's right, That's exactly right, Jim.

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Speaker 2: Are you getting your are you pulverizing your your your shoe,

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Speaker 2: your sneaker because the Pittsburgh Pirates, according to uh Fair Territories,

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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal, have made a four year offer almost certainly

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Speaker 2: exceeding one hundred million. You don't make a you don't

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Speaker 2: make a four year offer to Kyleshwarburn, not like at

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Speaker 2: least try to be serious with it.

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Speaker 1: You're getting a shoe ready, Jim.

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Speaker 2: For those that missed it, Jim several weeks ago, said

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Speaker 2: that he would eat a shoe if Kylesh Webber sat

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Speaker 2: with the Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: So you mean, am I tenderizing and marinating my tenderizing?

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Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to say. Who pulverizes the word

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Speaker 1: escape me? So it's right here, this will be the one.

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Speaker 1: How was feeling about it, Jim?

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Speaker 3: I'm not prepping and I'm not marinating, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: uh seasoning and brining my shoe because I just don't

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Speaker 3: expect it to happen. So the Pittsburgh Pirates made it.

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Speaker 3: According to Ken Rosenthal, right, yes, get a four year offer.

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Speaker 3: Not surprising. I think some of these these UH teams

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Speaker 3: that have received a lot of revenue sharing over the

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Speaker 3: years are under some heat to to spend some of

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Speaker 3: that money.

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Speaker 1: Because it could have impact on the next CBA.

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Speaker 3: And you know, hey, what better place to What better

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Speaker 3: guy to pursue than Kyle Schwarber, A difference maker in

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Speaker 3: the batter's box and in the clubhouse.

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Speaker 1: He would help any team.

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Speaker 3: But you know, Kyle Schwarber wants to win and Pirates

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Speaker 3: aren't ready. I don't see that happening, you know, I

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Speaker 3: think it behooves the Pirates to get that out there,

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Speaker 3: to show their fan base.

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Speaker 1: At least we're trying.

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Speaker 3: I think it behooves Schwarber's camp to get that out

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Speaker 3: there that hey, we have interest, and there's interest in

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Speaker 3: us and and there, indeed is there's interest beyond Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: and some big market teams including Boston the Mets.

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Speaker 1: But the team with the most interest to me remains

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Speaker 1: the Phillies.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when I hear the Pittsburgh Pirates made

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Speaker 3: a four year offer, my first reaction is, Okay, do

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Speaker 3: we think the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: Haven't made an offer? Do we think that Phillies probably

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Speaker 1: haven't made a four year off?

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Speaker 3: Of course, I'm sure they have, thanks just a little

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Speaker 3: tighter to the vest I'm still gonna stick by what

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Speaker 3: I've said all along. I think the guy's gonna get

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Speaker 3: a five year deal, and I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: right here in Philadelphia, and I feel like we're reaching

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Speaker 3: the home stretch.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I stand at. Kylee Shwarmer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this this week, next week, I could see this

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Speaker 1: You know. I just.

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Speaker 2: I think John Milton is going to make sure that

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Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber comes back, and if it has to get

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Speaker 2: a little bit uncomfortable from the Phillies point of view,

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Speaker 2: if it means getting Kyle Schwarber back or not, then

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Speaker 2: I think they will do what they need to do

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Speaker 2: to get him back. I mean, John has been very

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Speaker 2: public about it. The Phillies have been public about it

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Speaker 2: about wanting to get Kyle schwart back in a Phillies uniform.

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Speaker 2: You know again, like, think about it this way, Jim say, say,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make up a number one ten. But

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Speaker 2: they would consider to be a low ball offer. Is

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Speaker 2: he really going to sign with the Pittsburgh Pirates who

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Speaker 2: have no history of spending? Is he going to go

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Speaker 2: to the Cincinnati Reds, who really have no history of spending. Now,

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Speaker 2: But I just don't see, like you said, Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 2: wants to win, he wants to have it, he wants

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Speaker 2: know every year, my organization is going to do everything,

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Speaker 2: almost everything they can to try to win a World Series.

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Speaker 2: If he signs with the Pirates or the Reds, I

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Speaker 2: don't know he can go to bed at night and

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Speaker 2: say that and go, you know what, three years from

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Speaker 2: now on my four year deal, five year deal. I

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Speaker 2: know the Pirates and the Reds or some of these

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Speaker 2: other small, smaller market teams are going to be doing

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Speaker 2: everything they can to win a World Series. So that's

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Speaker 2: again the combination of the Phillies, Pockets, the history John Middleton,

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Speaker 2: and all what all those other teams can't offer. I

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Speaker 2: still think he's going to come back to Philadelphia me too.

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Speaker 3: And when you mentioned John Middleton's name, I think, you

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Speaker 3: know John. I think it almost looks like an obsession

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Speaker 3: to get him back. You know, John is one of

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Speaker 3: these guys who when he sees something, he goes out

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Speaker 3: and you know he wants it. He used to tell

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Speaker 3: me stories about when he's a high school and college wrestler,

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Speaker 3: how hard the dieting was, and you know, getting making

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Speaker 3: is a guy who is you know, steely eyed and

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Speaker 3: think he wants to, you know, in a good way,

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Speaker 3: put Kyle Schwarber in a half Nelson and get him

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Speaker 3: back here so you know, keep here in like and

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Speaker 3: we've talked about it, and I have these fears. Is

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Speaker 3: like I've articulated them here with you and Reuben, like

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Speaker 3: they are getting older.

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Speaker 1: They do need to get younger.

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Speaker 3: But my concern in terms of age doesn't as much

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Speaker 3: roster because he's not going to play defense, so his

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Speaker 3: defense is not going to decline.

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Speaker 1: You want him to have good at bats and swing

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Speaker 1: the bat and produce. And I think he's an as

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Speaker 1: sending hitter. I think he's continuing to get better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the strikeouts can can mount up like they do

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Speaker 3: with power hitters, but he's still getting better as a hitter.

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Speaker 1: And what he gives you.

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Speaker 3: Is to me worth those strikeouts. And we've talked about

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Speaker 3: this ad nauseum. You know, we think that bat speed

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Speaker 3: the age is just kind of a number. He's not

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Speaker 3: going to help the average age come down. But I

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Speaker 3: have there are other pockets to that roster where I'm

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Speaker 3: more concerned about, hey, they're getting old than than Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 1: So uh, I'm all for bringing him back.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, I feel like it's it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the owner wants it. I feel like

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Speaker 1: And I feel like the fans want it. And John

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Speaker 1: Middleton's always listened to his fan base.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber helps put a lot of fannies in the seats.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're gonna host the All Star Game this year,

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Speaker 3: right right? How crappy is it going to be? If

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Speaker 3: Kyle Schwarber comes back to that All Star Game in

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Speaker 3: another uniform.

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Speaker 1: Wearing a Pirates uniform him.

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Speaker 3: Any other any other uniform, and oh, by the way,

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Speaker 3: and oh by the way, wins the home.

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Speaker 2: Run derby right right, playing playing for the Red Sox

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Speaker 2: or the Mets or you know, any any number of

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Speaker 3: One might say, well, that's a really short sighted argument.

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Speaker 3: That's a dumb argument. It's really short sighted. But I

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Speaker 3: think he's going to help you over over the span

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Speaker 3: I'm just using that as a little anecdote.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I remember talking with Bryce Harper about

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Speaker 2: Tampa and I was just talking about his free agency

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Speaker 2: and he's like, he's like, listen, I mean he to

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Speaker 2: your point, Jim, He's.

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Speaker 1: Going to d H.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be the d H. So he's going

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Speaker 2: right and like David Ortiz years and years.

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Speaker 3: Like David Ortiz, and you're not gonna be saying, boy,

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Speaker 3: Schwarber's really lost a step in left field.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Like what are they going to do because

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Speaker 2: they got to get schwar By the left field. Now

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Speaker 2: you know what you need to do going forwards. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I still think all Royds all roads point back to.

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Speaker 1: Not All Royds. That was Slipper, Jim.

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Speaker 2: All roads point back to Schwarber and Philadelphia. Hey, if

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Speaker 2: out of report. Okay, So, jim Let's winter meetings obviously

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Speaker 2: beginning on Monday in Orlando. You JT real Muto is

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Speaker 2: I saw something interesting the other day. It was I

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Speaker 3: He would destroy Citizens Bank Park much like a lot

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he's in the Home Run Derby next

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Speaker 1: You know, Swing. I'm in it to win it.

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Speaker 3: and they're they're against it. And I think one of

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Speaker 3: that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: That's a great Hall.

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Speaker 2: Of Fame doesn't want that, And it's yeah, your great

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Speaker 2: great point. Going back to Jeff Kent real quick, do

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Speaker 2: you what do you think does this help Chase Lelly out?

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Speaker 2: What do you think or does it hurt Chase Ully?

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Speaker 2: You know, what is how does it does it impact

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Speaker 2: Chase at all his Hall of Fame chance.

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Speaker 3: I think Chase is helping himself. I think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: You look at the history of the voting. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: But I certainly don't think this hurts him because I mean,

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Speaker 3: and he's he's ahead of Kent. Kent was a more

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Speaker 3: But I think Chase is in really good shape and

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Speaker 3: mean we've talked about his war over that.

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Speaker 1: What Ford four to fourteen or something five to fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's like right in the top two or

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Speaker 3: you know, has it above Kent.

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Speaker 1: Is Kent was a hitter.

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Speaker 3: Chase, you know, made himself a very good defender as

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Speaker 3: we know, we saw it. He was a grinder, a

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Speaker 3: He got the job done. So I think he has

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Speaker 3: that on Kent. I mean, he's like the best base

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Speaker 3: runner any of us ever saw. He has a World Series,

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Speaker 1: A steady hitting machine, and different players, but there there are.

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Speaker 3: You can draw the you know, some some comparables, and

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Speaker 3: I certainly don't think this hurts Chase because he's viewed

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Speaker 3: probably as.

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Speaker 1: An more of an overall.

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Speaker 3: Quality player, where Kent was, you know, just a real

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Speaker 3: quality hitter and a Hall of Famer I think, very deserving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I think Chase is going

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Speaker 2: again and should get in. Probably won't happen this year,

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Speaker 2: but he's He's definitely on the right trajectory. I'd like

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Speaker 2: this Jay Rowl get get a few more votes and

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Speaker 2: see his vote total jump out. And his war is

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Speaker 2: not as high as as Chases and some other players.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's why War is not the end all

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Speaker 2: roll play and gosh, I.

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Speaker 1: Just you know what a defender Jimmy was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just the balls. I still marvel at, like looking at.

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Speaker 3: His error totals somewhere he made like six errors and

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Speaker 3: he played one hundred and fifty nine games six errors.

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Speaker 1: These guys that make that in a month. You know,

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Speaker 3: The way he could get the balls and the way

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Speaker 3: he could you know, every throw was on the money

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Speaker 3: and he could put a little extra.

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Speaker 1: On it when he needed to, when the guy was

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Speaker 1: really moving.

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Speaker 3: Just a joy to watch those two guys play in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the Phillies Diamonds for for all those years.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, Jim, We're I'm at the Winter Meetings. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna be coming to you with shows every day while

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Speaker 2: we're here at the Good Lord Willing. Uh if you're Jim,

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Speaker 2: if you're at home, folks, if you're at home, I'll

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Speaker 2: be behind the MLB Network studio waving at the camera

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Speaker 2: trying to get on TV.

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Speaker 1: So photo bombs, doing some photo bombs.

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Speaker 3: But uh, you should send You should try to like

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Speaker 3: send like a signal like that. Only the people who

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Speaker 3: watched the Phillies show will know, like like in the

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Speaker 3: in the in the sting, do the Robert Redford in

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Speaker 3: the sting when they they did that.

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Speaker 2: Do a little nose, Yeah, like a little how about

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Speaker 2: a little Carol Burnett earpull.

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Speaker 1: You got to do that? Just for the Philly Show viewers.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna either what is it

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Speaker 1: gonna be a the sting or the you're just.

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Speaker 2: A little I'll do a little sting, little nose.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll be watching, I'll be looking.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jim, I'll.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you later, all right, buddy smellulator.

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