Speaker 1: How was it with Pat Man? Did you haven't You
Speaker 1: haven't any experiences with Pat? Because I take my first
Speaker 1: two years and people noticed I didn't speak to Pat
Speaker 1: my first thing. I ain't never been afraid of no man,
Speaker 1: intimidated by no man. But I ain't even know how
Speaker 1: to deal with Pat my first two years past that
Speaker 1: god fathership was real. He did carry itself. He got
Speaker 1: that aura he does. I ain't. That's differently, We've been
Speaker 1: around a bunch of street motherfuckers. We ain't never really
Speaker 1: been around no mobs like that shit really carried. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that shit carried Wait.
Speaker 2: It does, man. Pat was tough man. Pat was all
Speaker 2: that in the bag of chips. Two things. I got
Speaker 2: called up to the office when I wasn't playing. Pat
Speaker 2: you know kind of you know, put down on me
Speaker 2: a little bit. But he also gave me. He built
Speaker 2: me up as well. He gave me a book, John
Speaker 2: Maxwell book on leaderships, and so like you know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't that he was just you know, coming down with
Speaker 2: an iron fist. It was that he was gonna give
Speaker 2: me the tools to be able to be successful as well.
Speaker 2: So I always appreciate that. And then he sat us
Speaker 2: all down and you remember when he was like, Chack,
Speaker 2: I ain't no chicken.
Speaker 3: Shit shit, like is this nigga? Is he? The job
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck is going? All right now?
Speaker 3: No chicken ship?
Speaker 2: Mother like man, but Pat staying on business at all times, man.
Speaker 2: And he's so cerebral, he's so smart. He can he
Speaker 2: can just pick up and sense things. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 2: just being around Pat. You know, some people you learn
Speaker 2: from directly, some people you learn from just by observing them.
Speaker 3: That's one of those guys. And Shack Man, Shack, big fellow.
Speaker 2: I told the story when Shaq called me the thousand
Speaker 2: there and you were like a man, big fellow.
Speaker 1: Man, he we ain't made nobody like that like that ship.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, big dog, I remember that. Why
Speaker 1: did he call you a thousand? He was like a thousand?
Speaker 3: Man? You know what shock came? It was about man.
Speaker 2: You know, Shaq used to have on some bullshit sometimes,
Speaker 2: so he had on a big, big gass outfit, some
Speaker 2: Donald planners and ship like that.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking, you know, because you know, you know
Speaker 3: how it used to be U D. I'm looking for
Speaker 3: that ship, right, big fellow, you're coming in there? Did
Speaker 3: he look in the.
Speaker 2: Mirror for you addressing the so you know, I had
Speaker 2: something to say, and Shaq just didn't want to hear
Speaker 2: that ship.
Speaker 4: I can't take this ship no more. Sick of this ship.
Speaker 4: Shut the fuck up, you fucking thousand there. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm like, You know what, big fella, you got it.
Speaker 4: I ain't like you. You know what you got that?
Speaker 3: You got that.
Speaker 1: It took a little while for me to understand what
Speaker 1: he was calling us. I said, Okay, this motherfucker me.
Speaker 1: We don't make millionships, we in the thousands.
Speaker 3: I was on the minimum that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't like that. I ain't been feeling I
Speaker 1: don't like that ship, ain't made no money yet.
Speaker 3: Don't do us like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but but you know what, you know, that's
Speaker 2: one part of the story. Like I don't want it
Speaker 2: to be like it was negative with because like every
Speaker 2: day was a breath of fresh air playing with him.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, you got more exposure. Shaq
Speaker 2: was mean and tough and he wanted to win. And
Speaker 2: so I just remember, like you know, having Team Dinners
Speaker 2: before the playoffs, Shaq bringing out his rings and letting
Speaker 2: all us, you know, see his rings, Jamie Fox had
Speaker 2: came in and all these different things. You know, Shot
Speaker 2: would throw a party and every city. You know, Shaq
Speaker 2: would take his glasses off sometimes and take these ulches
Speaker 2: like he you know, he would invite us over to
Speaker 2: his crib and things like that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: So Shaq Man playing with him made life better. It
Speaker 2: made life bigger. And you know, like sometimes you know
Speaker 2: we're gonna go back and forth, and you know sometimes
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna have to get your pride wounded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got me that day.
Speaker 1: Listen would have been to stand as great as a
Speaker 1: player as he was. And we always talk about his
Speaker 1: greatness as a basketball player. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: talk about Shaq's leadership as much. Oh yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think people don't really give him credit for being a
Speaker 1: leader because they think that he didn't work hard or whatever.
Speaker 1: He was so naturally gifted, but Shaq that the confidence
Speaker 1: that Shaq would infuse in his teammates in his locker room.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, a young undrafted kid like myself.
Speaker 3: Knock his eyeballs out. Shoot it.
Speaker 1: If you pass up a shot, he on your ass,
Speaker 1: like Huggie, shoot it every time. D Wade He gave
Speaker 1: d Way the name Flash, the confidence to step into
Speaker 1: that role, to be flashed. I saw d Way talk
Speaker 1: about that the other day. Like he told me, he
Speaker 1: called me Flash every time I stepped on the court.
Speaker 1: I had to play that role. I had to go
Speaker 1: into character to be in Flash Shack. So people don't
Speaker 1: understand what Shaq. If the big fellow give you the
Speaker 1: pass and say I believe in you, yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: know how that far that shit could take you.
Speaker 2: It meant a lot. Man, and Shaq loved his teammates. Yes,
Speaker 2: he cared for us. He was concerned about us. You know,
Speaker 2: he knew about us, Like he wasn't an elitist. Yes,
Speaker 2: as far as the way that he interact with his teammates,
Speaker 2: like we went to his house, he's gonna show you
Speaker 2: that shit. He's gonna inspire you. You know, he'll come through,
Speaker 2: he'll pull up on you. So you know, big shout
Speaker 2: out the big fella man, big fella, Our lives are
Speaker 2: better because you were in it.
Speaker 3: That's for sure.
Speaker 1: You had the opportunity to play with another big fellow.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: You go to the magic Yeah, young d White, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't talk about that because that shit that was intimidate. Yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: that shit was intimidating early. And you that ship, well
Speaker 1: you know you got you know, you gotta be ready. Yeah,
Speaker 1: dunkey twenty five rebounds. You don't break the goddamn rim.
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying. D White wanted it, man,
Speaker 3: he was. He was man.
Speaker 2: Dwhite was so talented and so athletic. I don't think
Speaker 2: people know how like fast and athletic and how much
Speaker 2: agility that the White had. I don't think people understood
Speaker 2: the kind of skill set that he had and the
Speaker 2: mobility that he that he really had. But he was young,
Speaker 2: he was he was definitely young, talented, he was hungry.
Speaker 2: He wanted it. Very very very funny, big personality, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like super charismatic, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, and full of foolishness all at the same time.
Speaker 2: So Dwhite was a lot of fun to play with,
Speaker 2: and him and Jamir with just oh man, they were.
Speaker 3: So much fun. Man, my days.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed all my NBA experiences, but man, that time
Speaker 2: in Orlando was pretty special. Man.
Speaker 3: It was some really good people there.
Speaker 2: And then we got Staying Band to come over and
Speaker 2: he like, you know, tape, shoot arounds, knee.
Speaker 3: Pads, all that.
Speaker 2: But like we developed under him, and so that was
Speaker 2: one of the places that when I didn't re sign there, Man,
Speaker 2: it really did hurt me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because I just couldn't understand like them, like like like
Speaker 2: I want to be here, you know. So, but it's
Speaker 2: a part of the game. It's a part of the business.
Speaker 2: But yeah, big shout out to the white man because
Speaker 2: Thunder is doing this thing and always has done this.
Speaker 1: Thing, and you had the chance to play with Shaq
Speaker 1: and the White shack Dwhite think they're gonna big. So
Speaker 1: think they're shack and the White gonna clean it up. Man,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean I think they should be at some point.
Speaker 2: I don't think they need to run the fade. I
Speaker 2: don't think they I just think they they're similar. So
Speaker 2: sometimes when you have similar energy, you know what I mean, it's.
Speaker 1: Not it's don't both dominant guys.
Speaker 3: They're both big personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you know it's a sense too
Speaker 2: though that like you know, Shaq is the O G Yes,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, you know what I mean, Like you have
Speaker 2: to humble yourselves if you want to get certain access
Speaker 2: and certain respect from the people who.
Speaker 3: Paved the way, the way that.
Speaker 2: He paid hummage to, you know, Wilt Chamberlain and people
Speaker 2: like that. He paid homage to those guys, you know.
Speaker 2: So I just think that like maybe the White gut
Speaker 2: to try new tactic with Shaq, Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: just come off a little bit more humble, because I
Speaker 2: still think there's an opportunity, you know, for them to
Speaker 2: you know, like we're losing the American big man.
Speaker 3: It's like the last of the damn breed.
Speaker 2: So imagine you know, them getting getting together and working
Speaker 2: with you know, American centers and things like that. I
Speaker 2: just think it's an opportunity for them to reconcile and
Speaker 2: figure that shit out.
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