1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants US Giants. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: Giants, give me some join part of the Giants Podcast Network. 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of The Giants Total Podcast, brought 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 3: York Giants. I'm John schmel Busy game preview and player 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: interview show coming to you today. Later on in the show, 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: Bob Pop will talk to the head coach of the Giants, 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: Brian Dable. Lance Meadow previews the Arizona Cardinals with Howard Ballzer. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: And to lead off the show, I had a chance 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: to talk to Giants starting Mike linebacker Bobby Ocaraka. And 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: now we're joined by a Giants linebacker, Bobby o'cak. 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 4: Bobby, thanks for being with. 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 5: Us, Manah, thanks for having me. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: Bro. 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 5: I appreciation you. 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem. So let's briefly review how this week 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: has gone. Before we look at Arizona. What were the 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: film sessions like, and what with the meetings like. Trying 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: to take some lessons out of that game against Dallas 20 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: last week. 21 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously, just very critical, hard conversations. We all got 22 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 5: to play better, got to bring better intensity, and you know, 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 5: it's a performance business. We got to go out to 24 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 5: perform on Sunday. Our fans deserve better, organization deserves better, 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 5: and that's what we're gonna bring them. 26 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: How quickly do you flush that game out and just 27 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 3: start looking to Arizona pretty quickly. 28 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 5: I mean you take twenty four hours, feel whatever, you know, emotions, whatever, 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 5: whatever you gotta process, and then you got to move 30 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 5: on a nextponent because it's a week to week league. 31 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: How the guys come out in practice this week? 32 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 5: Good, Most guys held it for the most part. You know, 33 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 5: we played the great intensity, great great energy, and that's 34 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 5: gonna show on Sunday. 35 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: It was funny. 36 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: It was a weird game for the defense on Sunday night, 37 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 3: right Like you guys are five positions into the game, 38 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: you've only been on the field for one of them, 39 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: yet your trahill sixteenth and nothing, and then the game 40 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: flow gets all screwed up. So as you look back 41 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: at the game as a defense, seeing how the game 42 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: flow went, is it is it hard to take a 43 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: lot out of it. 44 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 5: You know, I think we just got to do whatever 45 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 5: we can to create more energy and momentum for the team, 46 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 5: whether it's creating turnovers or big hits. You know, it's 47 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 5: a team game, so you know, when defense isn't playing well, 48 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 5: offenses got to pick us up. And when offense isn't 49 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 5: playing well, defense got to pick us up. And special teams, 50 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 5: so you know, we got to play complimentary football. 51 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: I know, one big old this offseason was trying to 52 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: improve the run defense. You weren't here last year, but 53 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: I know they brought you in, Ashaw, Ramason, Nacho, all 54 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: the guys. You know, Poward broke that one long one. 55 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: Otherwise not really a lot of big plays. How'd you 56 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: think the unit did overall against the run? 57 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 6: Decent? 58 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 5: We definitely have higher expectations for ourselves and we'll see 59 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 5: that on Sunday. 60 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: And it's kind of impossible to get your pass rush 61 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: going in a game like that, right because the Cowboys 62 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: never really under pressure to have to throw the ball. 63 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: I think they had less than five straight drop blacks 64 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 3: the entire game. 65 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, they were getting the ball out quick too, you know, 66 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 5: during a little hurry up. You know, we just got 67 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 5: to make the adjustments in adapt no question. 68 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: All right, now, let's look ahead here, talk about some 69 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: of the players on your roster. First, Micah Bigfadden, he 70 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: earned that kind of starting spot and based defense next 71 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: to you're smiling. What is about Micah that you like it? 72 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 3: And what did he do you think well this offseason 73 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: to kind of earn that spot. 74 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 5: He's just a very smart player. He plays a great 75 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 5: physicality and he was great poise his the second year 76 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: in the defense, and it really shows. He's playing fast, 77 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 5: he's playing very quick, and you know, he's just a good, good, 78 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 5: really good football player. 79 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 4: How is Isaiah Simmons been fitting in that linebacker room 80 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: really well? 81 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: You know, his talent, you know, there's really the sky's 82 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 5: limit for him from a speed, physicality, mobility standpoint. You know, 83 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 5: he's a unique athlete. So just getting him, you know, 84 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 5: going in the system, getting more acclimated to it, I 85 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 5: think he's gonna be really special. 86 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: You know, Wing's talked about trying to kind of focus 87 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: those athletic gifts to make sure you accomplish something with 88 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: them on the field. Right, So how is he kind 89 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: of coming along figuring out this defense and what Wink 90 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: wants from him? Because I know from week to week, 91 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: the position might be the same on the on the 92 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: on the scorecard, right, but your role in the defense 93 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: that week might be different, Right. 94 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, And he gives us, you know, such more an 95 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 5: opportunity because of a skill set to disguise certain things, 96 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 5: put him in different positions, make it harder for the 97 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 5: offense to really idea what we're doing. But yeah, on 98 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: the scheme, he's just getting used to it. The angles 99 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 5: we got to play with, the physicality we got to 100 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 5: play with. So yeah, he's just getting better and better 101 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 5: every week. 102 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: We talk. 103 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: When you got here and you had the expectations of 104 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: what it was going to be like playing in this 105 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: defense under Wink, what's the reality been playing in this 106 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: defense under Wink? 107 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 5: You know, I love it. It allows me to play fast, 108 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 5: physical and free and really just take the thinking out 109 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 5: of game. I just gotta go out there and dominate, 110 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 5: and that's what I'm gonna do. 111 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: Where's the chemistry on this unit? Obviously it grows throughout 112 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 4: the year. 113 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: You try to build as much in the summer as 114 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: you can, but it's not real football yet, right, So 115 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: where is this unit now in terms of your chemistry 116 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: and growing together? 117 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 5: You know, I think chemistry is very high, and I 118 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 5: think you know that. Obviously terrible loss on Sunday was 119 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 5: was really good for us because going through adversity. You know, 120 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 5: whether it's Week eight, week fourteen, you know we're gonna 121 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 5: face adversity again. So you know, just telling guys, you 122 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 5: know the adversity we go through and the lessons we 123 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 5: go through in this game, you know we're gonna fall 124 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 5: back on that later in the road, and you know, 125 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 5: be proud of what we were able to come out 126 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 5: of it. So we're just jelling, jelling and getting closer 127 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 5: every week. 128 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: I know it's a bit of a cliche, but is 129 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: there truth to the fact that you really don't know 130 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: what a group of guys is made of until you 131 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: face some adversity like you did in week one hundred percent? 132 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 5: It's not always gonna be sunshine and roses. I mean, 133 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 5: this is this is the NFL. They get paid too, 134 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 5: So you're gonna have tough games. You're gonna have the 135 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 5: versity you're gonna have to face. That's that's life. But 136 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 5: it's not what you do when you get knocked down 137 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 5: and tell you get back up. 138 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about your opponent this week. I 139 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: watched their first game. They do a lot of different 140 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: stuff in the run game, right. They had one series 141 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: in the third chord. They bring the full back in. 142 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: They ran wildcat. They rotate Connor and Ingram. They have 143 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: Rondo Moore in the backfield for like a half dozen plays. 144 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: What do you see from their running in that makes 145 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: it challenging for opposing defenses. 146 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's just very unique and they have 147 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 5: a variety of plays they can run, and they have 148 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 5: players have very good skill sets. James Connor is very 149 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 5: good running back. Josh Dobbs is an athletic quarterback. He 150 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 5: can make throws and he can also be a fact 151 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 5: in the run game. Like you said number four more, 152 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 5: he's a good athlete. So you know, they got good 153 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 5: athletes over the field and it'll be a unique challenge 154 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 5: for us. 155 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 4: Did you face Connor when you were in the AFC? 156 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 5: We played Arizona twenty twenty one, but he didn't play 157 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 5: that game, so played him yet? 158 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 4: How about when he was in Pittsburgh. No, you didn't 159 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 4: get him. 160 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 5: No, I didn't get him when you watch. 161 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 4: Him on tape. What makes him a good running back? 162 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 5: He's just very physical, he's downhill and he has very 163 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 5: good vision. You know, I think he's a great pro 164 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 5: and I'm excited to match up against. 165 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: Him when they've gadget guys like Rondo Moore and Marky's 166 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: Brown are using the backfield. What kind of alarm bell 167 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: and I and eyes do you have to use as 168 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: a linebacker to make sure that you're looking in the 169 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: right places and your feet are on the right place. 170 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to really have your eyes on your 171 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 5: on your keys based off whatever you know, position alignment 172 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 5: you're in because they're gonna have different guys motioning Jenne 173 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 5: lacrosse and they're trying to steal your eyes so they 174 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 5: can come back and run a play here, screen here, 175 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: dump it off. So you really got to have great 176 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: eye discipline and just do your individual job and trust 177 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 5: your teammate's gonna do theirs. 178 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: You mentioned Dobbs. 179 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: He's only been there a couple of weeks, but he 180 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: is familiar with the with the offense from a prior stop. 181 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 3: When you watch him in that first game, what you see. 182 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 5: You know, I saw poise. He's getting the ball out quick. 183 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 5: He's an athlete, like you said, he was in Cleveland 184 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 5: with Stefanski, you know, getting comfortable in that system. So 185 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 5: you know, I think he's a good football player and 186 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 5: we'll be prepared. 187 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: For him Stanford guy zach Ertz. He led the team 188 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: in targets last week. He was one of Dobbs's go 189 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: to guys. He's been doing this a long time. Coming 190 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: off an injury, you couldn't tell watching him in Week 191 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: one though. Your thought on Art's and and why he's 192 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: been such a good tight end for so long. 193 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 5: He's just such a savvy, crafty, smart player. You know, 194 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 5: the way he's able to manipulate defenders with his body 195 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 5: language and his eyes. He does a very good job 196 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 5: running his routes. And uh yeah, I think he's just 197 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 5: gonna be a great matchup for us. 198 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: All Right, this is a long trip. 199 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: We get to go out to Arizona, we hang out 200 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: in Tempe before while, then we go back home for 201 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: Bobby Ocaake in San Francisco. Are you excited to be 202 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: back out on the West coast in that Pacific time zone? 203 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm excited. I mean, you know, play Arizona, play 204 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 5: the Niners is gonna be a great two weeks stretch 205 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 5: for us. So yeah, just excited. I'll see the family 206 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 5: out there and you know, hopefully you know, play great football, 207 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 5: get him some wins. 208 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: I imagine since you were in Indianapolis, And that's right, damn 209 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: smack in the middle of the country. You've probably never 210 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: done one of these long trips before right. 211 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 6: Now, I haven't. 212 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 5: This will be the first, so I'm excited. 213 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: Does what happen in Detroit a little bit? Does that 214 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: give you guys a little bit of an idea of 215 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 4: kind of what it's like to be on a road 216 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 4: trip for maybe an extended period of time when we 217 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: did the scrimmages out. 218 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 5: There, Yeah, a little bit. I think that was you know, 219 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 5: it was important for us going through those joint practices 220 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 5: in the game, really just getting used to just adapting 221 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 5: and adjustin no matter the circumstance. You got to just 222 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 5: go out there and play good football and be a pro. 223 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: All right, final question, you're one of the leaders on 224 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 4: this team. 225 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: Obviously, Giant fans you guys heard it in the stadium 226 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: on Sunday night. 227 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 4: Not the happiest fan base in the world right now. 228 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: If you were to give a message to Giant fans 229 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: as to why they should still feel confident about you, 230 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: this group, and this team, what would it be? 231 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: Uh, you know, we're a great football team. You know, 232 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: first game we're gonna learn from it. And you know, 233 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 5: we recognize you know, the fans. They deserve a lot better. 234 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 5: The organization deserves a lot better. So we're gonna bring 235 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 5: great intensity and great energy to go, you know, get 236 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 5: them some wins. 237 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: Looking forward to seeing on the field on Sunday. Bobby, 238 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: thank you. 239 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Helly appreciate it. 240 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 7: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with Citizens, 241 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 7: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 242 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 7: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 243 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 7: you ready for all that life brings? 244 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 4: That's Bobby Okaara Kay. 245 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: We thank you for joining us on the Giants Total podcast, 246 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the 247 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: New York Giants from game data. Every day, Citizens is 248 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: made ready for Giant fans with insights, guidance and solutions. 249 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: Learn more at citizensbank dot com. Let's turn our attention 250 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: to the hours the Cardinals. Lance Meadow had a chance 251 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 3: to preview them with the Great Howard ballser. 252 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 8: The Giants look to regroup in the desert did Sunday 253 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 8: as they visit the Cardinals in Arizona at State Farm 254 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 8: Stadium for the first time since twenty seventeen and to 255 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 8: help break down what to expect from the Cardinals. We 256 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 8: bring in a man who covers the team for phn X. 257 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 8: He's been covering the NFL for nearly five decades. You 258 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 8: could also hear him on Sirius XMNFL Radio as the 259 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 8: co host of Hall of Fame Radio, none other than 260 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 8: Howard Ballser Howard, he got Lance Meadow here on Giants 261 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 8: dot Com. Greatly appreciate the time, hope all as well. 262 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 8: How's everything on your end? 263 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: Everything's great, last great being with you and break down this. 264 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: It's fair to call it an interesting game, but I 265 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: think we see a lot of games in the NFL 266 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: maybe turn out to be a lot more intriguing when 267 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: they're played than what we thought going. 268 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 8: In, absolutely, especially based on the results from Week one. 269 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 8: And that's where I want to start, Howard, because you 270 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 8: look at this Cardinals defense, I think most people have 271 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 8: to walk away pretty impressed in terms of how well 272 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 8: they played against Washington in terms of the three takeaways, 273 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 8: they kept the Washington offense and checked for the most part, 274 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 8: and they got six sacks. Based on the level of 275 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 8: expectation placed on the team overall entering the season, how 276 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 8: impressed were you in terms of how the defense performed 277 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 8: in that week one opener very. 278 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Impressed, and a big part of it was because they 279 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: have a relatively very inexperienced defensive line that doesn't have 280 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: any household names. They had six edge rushers at outside 281 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: linebacker that made the opening day roster, and so you 282 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: wonder who was going to emerge from that group, because 283 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: it's not like they have one guy that you're saying, oh, 284 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: that guy can just get after it. And so when 285 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: you look at that front seven, if you will, there 286 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: were a lot of questions about it, and after Sam 287 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: Howell they put pressure on him. The secondary covered pretty well, 288 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: and I think you have to make the point that 289 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Sam Howell was making his second start in the National 290 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: Football League. But overall, that offense of the Commanders didn't 291 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: do very much. They averaged only three point eight yards 292 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: per play. And I thought what the Cardinals defensive coaches 293 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: did well was the rotation of those players in that 294 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: front seven, keeping guys fresh, you know, getting different guys 295 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: in there. They had a bunch of different guys to 296 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: get those sacks. And so if they can continue it 297 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: this week going against the Giants team obviously where Daniel 298 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: Jones was sacked seven times in that forgettable game on 299 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: Sunday night against the Cowboys. 300 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely well said. 301 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 8: I think most Giants fans would characterize it the same 302 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,119 Speaker 8: way based on the result. Now, speaking of that statistic, 303 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 8: Howra that you brought up, the one thing that jumped 304 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 8: out to me in the Dallas Giants game was the 305 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 8: speed of the Cowboys and how relentless they were, and 306 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 8: I think we got a little bit of a taste 307 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 8: of that from the Cardinals. Why is this Cardinals defense 308 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 8: so active, especially since even though Jonathan Gannon was with 309 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 8: Philadelphia last season and we know he had the big 310 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 8: bruisers up front and some really good players on the 311 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 8: back end, there's not that same name and notoriety, but 312 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 8: there seems to be a lot of athletes on that 313 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 8: side of the ball. 314 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: There definitely aren't and there you know, their their formula, 315 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: if you will, in the offseason was in terms of 316 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: new players that they were bringing in, was to get 317 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of guys on short contracts who 318 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: are playing for their contracts, playing for their lives, but 319 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: guys that they believe will play aggressive football, and they 320 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon and Nick Rallis the defensive coordinator when you 321 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: talk to them, they use the word violent all the 322 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: time about the way they want their guys to play. 323 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: Tyser White, who was signed a two year contract, who 324 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: was with Gannon and Rales in Philadelphia last year, kind 325 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: of sets the tone for that defense, along with of 326 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: course Buddha Baker, and they just get out there and 327 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: do it. And what's interesting and in terms of that 328 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: violent thing led to issues on the second possession of 329 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: the game for the Commanders when they had two penalties 330 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: for forcible contact with the helmet that was thirty yards 331 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: and a pass interference penalty, and that was Commanders scored 332 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: a touchdown on that drive ninety one yards. They moved 333 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: down the field and sixty seven of those yards came 334 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: on penalties. But they cleaned it up pretty much after 335 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: that and just played a lot smarter. But again, this 336 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: is the tone that they want from that defense, and 337 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: for Week one, those guys played it to the hill 338 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: and got pretty good production from those outside linebackers. I 339 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: mean Dennis guard Deck. He only played twenty eight snaps 340 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: in the game, but he had two sacks and one 341 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: of them forced a fumble which was recovered for a touchdown. 342 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: So that's what I think, well, everyone expects to see 343 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: that throughout the rest of the season. Again, the question 344 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: will be what happens when they play really accomplished in 345 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: very good offenses. 346 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 8: Well, and that's why looking ahead to this matchup on Sunday, 347 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 8: I think one of the other storylines that shouldn't be 348 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 8: overlooked Howard is as I go back to reference Jonathan 349 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 8: Gannon's past in Philadelphia. Each of the last two seasons, 350 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 8: he's gone up against the Giants because they're obviously in 351 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 8: the same division. How much knowledge of the Giants do 352 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 8: you think is beneficial even though the Giants have made 353 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 8: some personnel changes. But could that perhaps give the Cardinals 354 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 8: a slight edge even though they don't see the Giants 355 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 8: necessarily every season? 356 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 6: It really could. 357 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: Some would take the flip and say, well, the Giants 358 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: you'll know about you know the Cardinals, but they're running 359 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: a pretty different different defense because they came in and 360 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: everyone was wondering Lance all off season what kind of 361 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: defense are the Cardinals going to run? Because they had 362 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: been a three to four team for several years and 363 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: that's where most of the personnel on this team was. 364 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: I mentioned those six outside linebackers. They're all, you know, 365 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: they're not guys that you would put down on a 366 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: four man stand for you for you know, you know, 367 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: down down defensive lineman if that's the way they wanted 368 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: to play. 369 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 6: So they in effect adjusted. 370 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: The wait you know what the scheme was to fit 371 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: the players you know that were there. So I think 372 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: it though it does give you know, the Cardinals certainly 373 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: some knowledge about the Giants and the way they hope 374 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: to play on offense. There's no secret, but they what 375 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: they want to do. And I think you know so 376 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: many times Lance, when you get a game like Sunday night, 377 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: it gets out of hand early, and it certainly took 378 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: the Giants out of how they wanted to play. Certainly, 379 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: when you're down sixteen to nothing before you turn around, 380 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: you're you're not gonna be able to run the ball 381 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: as much. I mentioned the seven sacks Daniel Jones, and 382 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: so I don't know that the Cardinals are as athletic 383 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: as the Cowboys team on defense, but they get after it. 384 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: They get after it, and the Giants have some questions 385 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: on the offensive line Andrew Thomas. Andrew Thomas, I know 386 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: is banged up at left, so they will try to 387 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: capitalize on that. And so while I think that familiarity 388 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: can help, it still comes down to players going out 389 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: in the field and exit shooting and doing you know, 390 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: what they're supposed to do on every play. And we'll 391 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: see if they can, you know, follow up last week 392 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: with their first home game. Obviously it's their home opener. 393 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: This is a team and it's a different team. 394 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 6: I get it. 395 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: But even or not, this is a crazy stat. 396 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 6: Lands. 397 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: The last time the Cardinals won a home game on 398 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: a Sunday was on October twenty fourth, twenty twenty one. 399 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: It's been most two years, when they beat the Texans 400 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: to go to seven and zero in that twenty one season. 401 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: Since then, overall, they are one and twelve at home 402 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: since since that game against the Texans. And so a 403 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: lot of different players obviously that are on this team now. 404 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: But you know that the players who are back, like 405 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: the Buddha Bakers and guys like that, are very mindful 406 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: of what's happened. A lot of those games were close games. 407 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, eight of the twelve were one 408 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: score game. That's what separates teams in the NFL. Are 409 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: those one score games? I mean, heck, we saw you 410 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: know the Giants last year nine to seven and one 411 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: gets Brian Dable Coach of the Year. They were eight 412 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: and four in one score game. The Cardinals were two 413 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: and six in one score games, and that corus Cliff 414 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: Kingsbury's job. 415 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 8: And I'll bring even even though it's off topic to 416 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 8: Minnesota Vikings into the equation. They were eleven to zero 417 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 8: right in one score games last season, had already lost 418 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 8: in Week one this past year in a one score game. 419 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: So you're right, you walk that fine line. And that's the. 420 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 8: Difference between making the playoffs or having a winning versus 421 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 8: a losing record. And I think you brought up a 422 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 8: great point, Howard about the game flow in the Cowboys 423 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 8: Giants game. And that's why I want to bring the 424 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 8: Cardinals offense into this equation, because you look at the numbers, 425 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 8: they don't jump off the page. Josh Dobbs had an 426 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 8: average pass per attempt of just four point four yards, 427 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 8: so clearly they weren't looking for the home runs. How 428 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 8: much was that a product in your mind of Washington's 429 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 8: defense versus the Cardinals just saying, hey, Dobbs has been 430 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 8: here for two weeks. We're gonna keep it conservative and 431 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 8: we're not going to attempt to press the envelope right 432 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 8: out of the gates. 433 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: Thing's a little bit of both, certainly, and certainly the 434 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: commander's defensive front was a big part of it. And 435 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: and Dobbs, you know, talked this week about how it's 436 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: like night and day, how I feel in this offense 437 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: from last Wednesday to yesterday, and the first practice of 438 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: making getting comfortable with his receivers. Yeah, all anybody talked 439 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: about lance on Dobbs in those two weeks, how smart 440 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: he is and how this and that he has familiarity 441 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: with the system. Well he didn't even he didn't he 442 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: didn't know his receivers. Some of me didn't even know 443 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: their names. And he made the point yesterday this was 444 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: the first end game. This was the first time that 445 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: I'm throwing to these guys and throwing to them in 446 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: their routes in a full in a true full speed situation. 447 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: So I think all that came into it. And here's 448 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: the thing that always kind of, you know, I think 449 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: what's forgotten many times is offensive coordinators devised game plans 450 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: based on what they have and going against the other team. 451 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: So naturally, for a few days here we hear well 452 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: the car they should have taken more shots downfield. 453 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 6: They should have thrown it downfield. 454 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, if you don't have that timing 455 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: with your receivers number one and number two, if you're 456 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: wonder wondering about the protection against that defensive line, and 457 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: and I know the weather wasn't good Sunday night, but 458 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: in the afternoon, especially in the second half against you know, 459 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals against Washington, and you're just not gonna 460 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: take those shots. 461 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 6: Maybe late in the game you will because you're. 462 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: Trying to come from behind, but they were never truly 463 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: coming from far, far behind. And as any quarterback will 464 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: tell you, you've got to be smart with the football. Yeah, 465 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: you can start, you know, on the field, but before 466 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: you know it, you're down twenty one nothing and then 467 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: you're out of the football game. So but I think, 468 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: like I said, I think it was a combination. I 469 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: don't know how much, how many more shots, you know, 470 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: we'll see this week. I know the Giants are pretty 471 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: good front, they're not They're not as good as the 472 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Commander's probably, so we'll see if they're able to establish 473 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: the running game a little bit more and do better 474 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: on first down. I charted this, This is pretty incredible. 475 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: The Cardinals had fourteen negative yardage plays during the game, 476 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: and a bunch of them were on first down, which 477 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: led to ten missed opportunities on third down that were 478 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: ten yards or more and an average a little over twelve. 479 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: So you have to avoid that in the NFL if 480 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: you're going to be successful, move the chains and get 481 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: some continuity in your offense. And so everyone's going to 482 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: be interested to see how this works in week two 483 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: for Joshua Dobbs and the rest of that offense. 484 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, especially since you've become more predictable. If you're constantly 485 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 8: facing third and longs, the defense clearly knows that you're 486 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 8: going to be throwing in those situations. From what I 487 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 8: gathered against Washington, it seemed as if, even though to 488 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 8: your point, they weren't taking chances down the field, and 489 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 8: rightfully so, based on the limited time of the personnel, 490 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 8: they were trying to get some of their elusive weapons 491 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 8: out in open space. Screens reverses, a guy like ron 492 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 8: Dell Moore comes to mind, James Connor out of the backfield. 493 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 8: How much do you think, Howard, that's going to be 494 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 8: the true identity of this offense, at least before Joshua 495 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 8: Dobbs gets a little bit more comfortable with his targets. 496 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 6: As you mentioned, I think it will be a big point. 497 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: Who knows by the time he really gets comfortable, everyone's 498 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: hoping it'll be time for Kyler Murray three terms. That's 499 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: another whole story about for a long time. But you know, 500 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: early in the game they tried some screens and you 501 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: can see that the timing just wasn't there. 502 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 6: They just weren't. 503 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: They weren't very efficient on it. They did have one 504 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: in the second half, the James Conner that went for 505 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: eleven yards and was much better than some of the 506 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: earlier ones. But those are all the things that they 507 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: come with time on task and practice, but also come 508 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: with running it in a game, and there just hadn't 509 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: been any of that. I mean, this guy, you know, 510 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: Dobbs had five practices with the team after he was acquired, 511 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: and two of them were just to our practice. And 512 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: it's not as if it's only the the number one 513 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: offense on the field. When you're in and practice, you know, 514 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: it's basically only half of it, and so there you 515 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: would think there has to be some improvement how much 516 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, but I think, like you said, 517 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: those those quick things and all that they do have 518 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: how get deep. But even Dobbs pointed out that the 519 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: Commanders started going to too high on defense in the 520 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: quarter and going forward. And when that's the case, you're 521 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: just not going to take too many chances. That's you 522 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: just have to play smart football. As I mentioned earlier. 523 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 8: Talking about Hour bowlser he covers the Cardinals for pH 524 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 8: n X. You could also hear him on sirius xm 525 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 8: NFL Radio as we set the stage with the Cardinals 526 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 8: and the Giants in the desert this Sunday in terms 527 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 8: of how they may go about attacking the Giants, especially 528 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 8: since the Giants obviously had major issues on both sides 529 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 8: of the ball. Do they look at the offensive line 530 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 8: howard you think, and they say, well, let's see if 531 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 8: the Giants learn their lesson and we're going to try 532 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 8: to pressure and try to be creative as much as possible. 533 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 8: Or because the Cowboys have Micah Parsons in company and 534 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 8: they don't, you could only take so much, I guess, 535 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 8: is what I'm getting at from that matchup. 536 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's a great point and they as I 537 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, they don't have a Micah Parsons on that defense, 538 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: although you know, some would say, you know, Buddha Baker 539 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: certainly is an accomplished player, but he's he's certainly different 540 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: in what he does on the field Michael Parsons. And 541 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: so they're going to continue doing, you know, for the 542 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: most part, you know, doing what they've been doing. 543 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 6: The key will be shutting down the run, you know. 544 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: As I mentioned, I mean, the interesting thing with that 545 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: game Sunday night, as I was looking at it is 546 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: the Giants moved right down the field on the first 547 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: on the first possession, yeah, you know that's forgotten in 548 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: a blowout, and got to the eight yard line. Then 549 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: they had a false start and then a fumble and 550 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: push them back all the way to twenty seven and 551 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: you get a field goal block and return for a touchdown. 552 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: And so when it gets out of hand early early 553 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: for an offense, no matter who you are, you're going 554 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: to get out of get out of the way that 555 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: works for you and what you want to do. 556 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 6: And that's obviously establishing Saquon. 557 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Barkley and as talented as he is and a tremendous 558 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: part of how the Giants were able to do what 559 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: they did last season. So that the Cardinals focus is 560 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: being able to limit Saquon Barkley, and that'll it'll be 561 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: you know, in this game against Washington and where a 562 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: lot of people were surprised that the Commanders didn't run 563 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: it more the Commanders that the Cardinals defense because ninth 564 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: in the NFL on first down plays, they only allowed 565 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: about three point four yards on average for first down play. 566 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 6: They can do that in this game, then they'll have 567 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 6: a chance of. 568 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: Means you're you know, you know, you're slowing down Saquon Barkley. 569 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: If they can't do that, then I think they will. 570 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: We'll have a certain amount of vision. 571 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 8: And they also need to account for Daniel Jones's mobility. 572 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 8: Sam Howell just ran twice. He did have the rushing 573 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 8: score off as Scramble, but Jones is a big part 574 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 8: obviously of the Giants run game too. So I think 575 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 8: that's another interesting component. You brought up how things really 576 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 8: started to unravel for the Giants late on that first drive. 577 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 8: And I'm not saying it's identical, Howard, but you look 578 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 8: at the Cardinals game, well, they're very much in the 579 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 8: thickest things. Unfortunately, then Dobbs fumbles the ball twice late 580 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 8: and that sets up Washington. Let's face it, they're at 581 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 8: the Arizona thirty yard line essentially on both of those drives. 582 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 8: No surprise they scored, and then the nine penalties for 583 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 8: over one hundred and twenty yards. I guess what I'm 584 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 8: getting at is how much do you think Arizona looks 585 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 8: at it as Okay, hey, we have areas to improve, 586 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 8: There's no doubt about it. We have to score more points. 587 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 8: But if we didn't have some of those mental lapses 588 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 8: and turnovers, they could be walking away with a win 589 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 8: over Washington last week very easily. 590 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: Here, totally and no doubt about it. And you talk 591 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: to drive bogging down. The Cardinals had one at the 592 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: start of the second half when they moved right down 593 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: the field after struggling in the first half and got 594 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: intied the red zone and then weren't able to do 595 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: anything on three downs and ended up kicking a field 596 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: goal to score their final points of the game. In 597 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: five possessions after that, and two of them wore those 598 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: fumbles by Joshua Dobbs. In five possessions, they ran twenty 599 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: three plays for a total of thirty five yards and 600 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: two three and outs. 601 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 6: Actually I always used to put the word totaled in quotes. 602 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 6: In two of those. 603 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: Two of those three and outs, they had a total 604 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: of minus yardage in the possession and so and so 605 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 1: they had their opportunities with the ball, and like, like 606 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: you said, turned it over and you know, one you don't. 607 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: He can't really blame Dobbs on the sack fumble because 608 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: that was just a miss block and then Sweat came 609 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: around the end and hit him from behind as he 610 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: was thrown and lost the football. Most any quarterback is 611 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: going to do that. The center exchange, he talked. He 612 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: didn't make an excuse, but he said it was a 613 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: wet ball, and he said instead instead of it up, 614 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: I probably should have just fallen on it. But again 615 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: that leads, you know, to points for the Commanders. So 616 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: those were crucial and the thing that everyone worries about 617 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: Lance is that that's kind of been you know, Joshua 618 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: Dobbs hasn't played very many games in the NFL. He 619 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: started two for the Titans at the end of last season, 620 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: and one they had the lead. You know, that was 621 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: the last game of the year. Whoever wins it wins 622 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: the AFC soal, and the Titans were winning that game 623 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: with about three minutes to go when he had a 624 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: sack fumble and it was recovered by Josh Allen, not 625 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, by Jaguars linebacker Josh Allen a return for 626 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: a touchdown and the Jaguars win the game. And he 627 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: had an interception earlier in the game and another fumble 628 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: in that game, so it's kind of been part of 629 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: his moo and so all quarterbacks know you have to 630 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: protect the football otherwise it's going to lead to bad things, 631 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: and it certainly did on Sunday Washington. 632 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 8: More of a reason why you can understand to your point, 633 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 8: they're going to take that into consideration, especially if a 634 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 8: quarterback has five or six practices entering the first game, 635 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 8: as to why they don't want to necessarily press the envelope. However, 636 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 8: before I let you go, I want to move over 637 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 8: to the Giants' roster and a connection they have to 638 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 8: the Cardinals because they acquired Isaiah Simmons right before the 639 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 8: season started, and you know him very well having covered 640 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 8: the team. A lot was made of whether or not 641 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 8: Arizona utilized him the right way and what the Giants 642 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 8: could potentially tap into him that Arizona maybe fell short 643 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 8: of what do you make of simmons tenure with Arizona 644 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 8: and perhaps if there is still a ceiling for him 645 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 8: to reach with the Giants based on how Wink Marnindale 646 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 8: utilizes him, which may be different than how Arizona tried 647 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 8: to tap into him. 648 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 6: That will be the key is figuring out how to 649 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 6: use it. 650 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: And he's Everyone talks about his explosiveness, his athletic ability 651 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and all those things, but he just never seemed to 652 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: fit anywhere. But you know, we all thought maybe the 653 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: safety deal would be good, and he actually ended up 654 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: last year paying more snaps at defensive back than he 655 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: did a linebacker. 656 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 6: But to put him in. 657 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: The slot at times and covering receivers, especially quicker guys, 658 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: he just can't keep up with those guys. Interesting that 659 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: this year the Cardinals moved Zaven Collins, an inside linebacker, 660 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: to the outside, and there's many who think that maybe 661 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: as an edge rusher is the place to really unleash 662 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: him and to use him. But I still think at 663 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: linebackers probably the best spot unless you can figure out 664 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: how as a safety, it really fits with the rest 665 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: of your defense. But the last preseason game they had 666 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: him as a as a third safety and he was 667 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: just lost out there. It's just, you know, it just 668 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: the interesting thing against Washington, the Cardinals brought in k 669 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: Von Wallace, a safety from the Eagles they claimed on waivers, 670 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: and he played so tventy percent of the snaps against 671 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: Washington and had a bunch of tackles, almost had two interceptions. 672 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: And this played one game better than pretty much any 673 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: that Isaiah Simmons ever he did. Allen's will be to 674 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: find that fit for him, but you know, it's tough 675 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: to find that fit once the season starts and guys 676 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: you have that there's not as many practice snaps and 677 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: all that. So if I don't know where he's going 678 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: to end up after this season, this is the last 679 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: year his contract, and I'm sure a lot of teams 680 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: will be wondering what can we do with him? 681 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 6: And I don't know where that's going. 682 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: To be because he's kind of like one of these 683 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: jack of all trades but master of none. And that 684 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: really affected him with Arizona. 685 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 6: And we'll see if there's any difference with the Giants. 686 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, considering how many different positions he played at Clemson, 687 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 8: they moved him all around. But like you said, life 688 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 8: in the NFL is very different, and that's why that's 689 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 8: going to be something to monitor and watch for the Giants. 690 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 8: He is Howard. He covers the Cardinals for pH NX. 691 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 8: He's been covering the league for nearly five decades. You 692 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 8: can also hear him on Serious XMNFL Radio as co 693 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 8: host of Hall of Fame Radio. Well, Howard, this was 694 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 8: a pleasure. Always good to catch up with you. Enjoy 695 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 8: the rest of the season. Enjoys Sunday's game, and I 696 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 8: look forward to talking down the road. 697 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 6: Look forward to it last, take care my pleasure. 698 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 7: You love turf, You're good at it. So you start 699 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 7: a turf biz business grows, your savings grow, become the 700 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 7: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 701 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 7: that life brings? 702 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: Thank you Lance, Thank you Howard. Don't forget to run 703 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: or walk with Giants Legends. The Giants Foundation will host 704 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: of five K racing Kids Run presented by Quest on Sunday, 705 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 3: October eighth and nine am and MetLife Stadium Net. 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Brian Dable and coach obviously, take on 714 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 9: an Arizona team that played very tough last week in 715 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 9: Washington and losing to the Commanders, that got after the quarterback. 716 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 9: What were some of the things as you studied them 717 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 9: getting ready for today's game that sort of jumped out 718 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 9: off the tape towards you. 719 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll start with their defense, as you said, to 720 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: create negative plays, scored on defense, created some turnovers. You know, 721 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: they got two explosive receivers who can run really fast. 722 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: They have a tough runner and Connor who scored a 723 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: lot of touchdowns here in the last three years, a 724 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: productive player, tough. Obviously, Ertz is a go to guy 725 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: and gotta have it situations. Certainly played a good game 726 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: and came up a little bit short, but there was 727 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: a lot of impressive things on the tape. 728 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 9: Dobbs has been around, He's been with a bunch of teams. 729 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 9: Last year he started two games for Tennessee. He gets 730 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 9: traded from Cleveland. How hard is it to sort of 731 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 9: get ready for a guy that, although he's been in 732 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 9: the league a while, really hasn't played in a lot 733 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 9: of NFL games. 734 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can study the games that he played. 735 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: And again, this is a new staff with a new coordinator, 736 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: so it's the early part of the season. There's a lot, 737 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: not a lot to draw from. You You use the 738 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: stuff that you have, and then ultimately you got to 739 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: be able to play well and adjust throughout the game. 740 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, they're head coach Jonathan Gannon, the former defensive coordinator 741 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 9: in Philadelphia, who obviously went against your offense twice a year. 742 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 9: Did you do you have to go back and look 743 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 9: at some of the things that Philadelphia did just in 744 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 9: trying to piece it all together. 745 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: Sure, you absolutely do that. You know, you have a 746 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: lot to draw from in terms of the Philadelphia system. Again, 747 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: but he's you know, he's his head coach, his own 748 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: head coach. Now he's gonna run things. How he wants 749 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: to run him. There's definitely similarities, but there's always new 750 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: things that that coach has put in. He's a he's 751 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: a tremendous coach, great defensive coordinator, and you can tell 752 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: by the way his defense played that first game. 753 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 9: I know that, you know, fans and even media sometimes 754 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 9: they look at these bigger pictures items, whereas you as 755 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 9: a head coach, especially under the great head coaches that 756 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 9: you learned under, the objective is to go one to oh, 757 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 9: meaning just win this game, forget about the game in 758 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 9: four days, forget about what happened last week. How do 759 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 9: you get that messaging through to the players? 760 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it's we go back to OTAs 761 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 2: and training camp and you know some of the guys 762 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 2: that were here last year with the message, and the 763 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 2: messaging is always going to be consistent, which is focused 764 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: on the things as you can control your preparation, your 765 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 2: film study, how you practice, do everything you can do 766 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 2: during the week to put yourself in a good position 767 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 2: on game day, and then ultimately you have to go 768 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 2: out there and perform well on game day. And that's 769 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: really what it is. Every week. 770 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 9: Did you get a sense that you know this week. 771 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 9: Your guys have responded to that with being able to 772 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 9: flush what happened, learn from what happened last week, but 773 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 9: also be able to sort of get back to basics 774 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 9: and get back to what we need to do in practice. 775 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 776 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: Well, we had a good week of practice too leading 777 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: up to Dell in training camp, and obviously it didn't 778 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 2: go away any of us hoped it would go. Again 779 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: that there's a standard that we try to set, Bob, 780 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: and that's each and every day, which then goes into 781 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: each and every week. And then you have to play 782 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 2: well on Sunday or Monday or Thursday, whenever that may be. 783 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: But you don't, you know, make radical changes based on 784 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 2: a result. You make changes each week, whether you win 785 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: or lose, to try to help your team be ready 786 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: for the week. And that's what we tried to do 787 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: this week. That's what we'll try to do next week 788 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: and going forward. You know, it's it's easy to get 789 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 2: caught up in results. Obviously this is a results business, 790 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: and obviously we didn't get the job done. But sticking 791 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 2: true to you know, the improvement process, the preparation process, 792 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 2: how you practice, and then again playing a complimentary football game, 793 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 2: which we didn't do the first week. 794 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 9: A final question, coach, you know, throughout training camp and 795 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 9: in the preseason games, you were you and your staff 796 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 9: were very good at sort of cross training people. You 797 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 9: got a lot of people, a lot of different reps 798 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 9: and a lot of different positions. Obviously a little banged 799 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 9: up on the offensive line. Is that where it pays 800 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 9: dividends a little bit when you get into the season 801 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 9: and things happen that guys are at least if you 802 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 9: have to mix and match things in certain areas, whether 803 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 9: it's on the O line or any other part of 804 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 9: your team for that matter, that guys have done that 805 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 9: kind of cross training and you as a staff have 806 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 9: identified who does what well where. 807 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: Sure, that's part of the process of OTAs and training 808 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: camp is to do things like that. You know you're 809 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: not playing a game. You're trying to prepare your team 810 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: and prepare players for multiple roles. You can only bring 811 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 2: so many people to a game, so you know, we'll 812 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 2: always do that. Obviously you'd like to have everybody healthy, 813 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 2: and but you know that's not the reality of the NFL. 814 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: So the more you can do and the position flexibility 815 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: helps your team as you go. As you go forward 816 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 2: to the season. 817 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 9: Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes. 818 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 4: Best of luck. 819 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 3: Thanks Bob, Thank you, Bob, Thank you, Coach Dable. Giant 820 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 3: fans love a winner. 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