WEBVTT - Sarah Longwell & Sen. Chris Murphy 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.239 today's best minds. And House Republicans have voted not to 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:16.560 release the met Gates ethics report, surprising no one. We 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.799 have a great hill for you today the Focus Group podcast. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:25.079 Sarah Longwell stops by to talk focus groups. Then we'll 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:29.560 talk to Senator Chris Murphy about how Democrats can win 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.520 on economic populism. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:37.440 But first the news, Somalie, the TikTok ban just got 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.360 struck down by a lower court and now it's heading 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:41.800 to the Supreme Court. What are you seeing here? 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.200 So they can't ban it? Or they can ban. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:45.320 No, they can ban it. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.159 And want me to do some explaining, Yes, Jesse, you 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.919 since you are the TikToker in the relationship here and 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.600 you send me tiktoks and I can't figure out how 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.400 to watch them. And I am the boomer and you 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.320 here are the zoomer. I'm the boomer, is eight months 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.479 older that you're. Yes, Yes, it's explained to us, I'm 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.680 the boomer. Yes, explain to us how the Chinese government 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:10.560 controls what we see on TikTok go. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.240 Okay, So Now this lower court has said that TikTok 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.800 has to sell if they want to remain in the 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.760 United States or else they will be abanned in mid January. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.440 So what now happens is the Supreme Court decides whether 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.160 they will take up this case or not. If they do, 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:30.640 that buys TikTok a whole bunch of time potentially, if 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.800 their will lawyers do the right maneuvers. If they don't 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.039 take it up, which is entirely possible, TikTok will be 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.720 forced to sell. There's many, many, many rich people and 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.919 corporations salivating at the idea of buying this, including people 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.440 like mister Wonderful from Shark Tank and Microsoft. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.400 That's more than I have ever wanted to know about TikTok. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.320 So we'll see what happens. Hard to imagine that anything 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.560 good happens with a Trump presidency about to start, but 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.840 we will see, right, Jesse Cannon, we will see, and 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.160 TikTok will still exist for many moons to come. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.600 Yes, Somali, two friends of ours, Noah Schuckman and a Swin. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.040 They have a very Actually, this was the funnest article 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.080 I read all week about how Eric Adams is doing 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.880 anything we could all see, which is kissing trump sass 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:20.480 for a pardon. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.320 As someone who interviewed Eric Adams this week on Morning Joe, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:30.520 he's very fit. And also, yes, it seems very clear 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.799 that Eric Adams has realized that he can get pardoned. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.760 I mean, this is the thing you have to remember 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.519 about Eric Adams and also about everyone else. Donald Trump 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.760 is completely transactional. If you say on television, oh this 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.919 Donald Trump. He's kind of a good guy and so handsome. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.240 He sees it and then you he'll let you do 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.160 what you want. So like we saw this at the 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.760 deal Book conference. We saw Jeff Bezos being like, Donald 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.040 Trump is going to be great. This is all going 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.600 to be great. You know, this is just trying to 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.639 manipulate him into getting what you want. Will it work? 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.840 Maybe in the short term, it'll work for Jeff Bezos. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.360 As we all know on this podcast. We all know, 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.240 like ask Rudy Giuliani, how it works out for you? 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:20.120 It never works out. Well. Everything Trump touches dies. You know, 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.640 it may take a little longer now that he's going 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.880 back into the White House, but this is absolutely one 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.720 hundred percent the case. And you know, but anyway, Adams 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.760 has decided, and look, Adams is a guy with not 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.080 a lot of options, right, He's got these federal indictments. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.640 He supposedly has more indictments coming though, who knows. He's 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.920 clearly up to no good and he really wants to 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.240 stay Mayor. So you know, he's thinking that if he 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.640 can get Trump to pardon him, he can stay in 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.320 the arena a little longer. And you know, it's not 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:56.360 an insane I mean, it's morally an ethically very corrupt, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.680 but it's not an insane theory. And I think in 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.040 my work for him. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.040 It's a funny thing because it serves both sides effectively, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.760 as Adams wants to keep on cry big and he 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.120 wants to not go to jail and Trump be loves 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.040 when somebody gravels and kisses his ass. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.480 You know, it's funny because it's like I was listening 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.280 to him on the show when I'm watching him and 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.600 I'm thinking to myself, he's like explaining about how these 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:24.360 federal indictments are twisting the law to come after him, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:28.440 and you know, we've had all these conversations about like 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.400 should the law be the same for everyone. I actually 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.000 listened to this very smart New Yorker podcast that had 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.400 this lawyer. I'm not sure she's right where she was 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.400 talking about maybe it would have been better just not 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.920 to even try to prosecute Trump because it just, you know, 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.880 it had it because as the appearance of being political 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.560 in itself. Again, I don't know what the answer is. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.919 I'm not a lawyer, but it just struck me that 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.000 what Adams is doing is he's really trying to manipulate 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.919 what is him doing illegal stuff and make it sound 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.080 political in order to appeal to Trump and make this 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.560 case that it's all the same. And you know this 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.479 is we're down this posts post truth rabbit hole. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.720 So, Malia, you know who I want in charge of 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.280 making elector overform. It's definitely not Donald Trump. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.440 I know who you don't want to try so Donald 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.839 Trump again, Like, this guy just wants to get his 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.400 hands on elections so badly, and should we be surprised 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.240 this is what he says to Trump. Okay, so he's 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:38.159 in New York and he is he is accepting an award. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.640 By the way, the idea of giving this guy awards 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.279 like that is what it is. If you want something 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.480 from Donald Trump, give him an award. He was accepting 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.600 an award from Fox Nation. The award is called Patriot 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.800 of the Year. That's Patriot of the Year award. Okay, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.719 he is the this year. There is no patriot. Who 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:07.200 is a bigger patriot? Then Thrice indicted, Right, fine, you 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.840 know that guy. He's the Patriot of the Year. It 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.479 was a long island event, it was not even in Manhattan, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.880 organized by Fox Nation. On Thursday, he accepted the award. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.239 Oh no, this is even I'm sorry, this gets worse. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.839 Accepted the award designed to resemble the American flag because 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.400 he is, after all, the Patriot of the year. After 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.640 a live performance of what other song could it be? 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.680 This guy's his favorite. I even didn't have any idea 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.400 who the fuck this was, but now I know, and 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.919 I wish I didn't live performance of Lee Greenwood's God 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.880 Bless the USA, and that is Donald Trump's favorite song. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.320 If you have a phone, you should google Lee Greenwood 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.599 because he is either twenty or one hundred and fifty 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.039 years old. It's impossible to tell. He has had some 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:02.680 kind of incredible facial whatever, and he looks like he 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.680 could be twenty five or eighty. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.320 Well, I like that, mister Trump. Did his usual speaking 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.360 ambiguously at saying nothing of We're going to do things 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.920 that have really needed for a long time. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.880 The man murders English. But he did mention. He complained 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.040 about the California law. In California, they just passed a 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.720 law that you're not even allowed to ask a voter 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.520 for voter ida. Think of that. If you ask a 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.800 voter for their voter Ida, you're committing a crime. We're 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.800 going to get the whole country straightened out. Yeah, no 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.080 better way to get the whole country straightened out than 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.040 the stop corruption. Police are going to make sure that 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.440 all the corruption doesn't happen, and you just have to 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:44.880 pay them. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.880 Somali. When I think of people who earn things in 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.280 a meritocracy, you know what I think of Donald Trump's cabinet. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.800 Yeah, is nepo nepo And again, nothing wrong with nepotism. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.680 Donald Trump wants his cabinet nominees to earn their confirmations 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.200 on their own. That's how he works, right. But on Friday, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.400 he was wanted to give an adaboy to Pete Hagsas 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:13.280 you'll remember Pete heggsas a weekend morning television host and 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:19.760 also multiple divorcee likes a couple beers. He's got the 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.560 Kavanaugh just like beer situation. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.120 I really liked the detail of him drinking ten warm 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.880 flat beers at ten am. That was a really good story. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.240 You know how many panels I've been on or places 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:38.120 I've been where people have been like repeating that thing 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.760 about him drinking all the flat beers. I have been 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.200 sober twenties at seven years. I don't think it's not bad. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.640 Like I get it, man, like I get it. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.960 Maybe you've forgotten how bad flat war beer taste. But 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.800 as somebody who tasted at this summer, let me tell you, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:55.599 I don't want it. 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.560 It does a job. Nobody is drinking for a taste here. Okay, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.240 that is not true. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.480 I love the taste of a Budweiser a Corona this summer. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.720 Well that's because you're not an alcohol But the rest 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.360 of us will drink our beer. I mean we won't 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.120 because I'm sober. But flat beer not flat beer? Who cares? 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.960 But anyway, Trump is very excited that Haig Seth is 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:22.160 fighting back. He told an advisor beats biting like cow. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.520 I wonder if he said fighting or fighting. He's a 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.160 fighter again. I want to point out that, from what 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.360 we understand, and again this could be reported wrong, was 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.319 not in the room, but that Donald Trump picked him 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.960 because he looked like he should be director of the 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.000 d D. Now they're saying he's not going to jump out, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.920 that hag Set is going to make it through. We'll see. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.440 I mean, you know, it is still December and Trump 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:55.800 is not even president yet, so let's see what happens. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.160 Sarah long While is publisher of The Bulwark and the 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.280 host of the Focus Group podcast. Welcome back to Fast Politics, 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.560 Sarah Longwhile. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:07.000 Well being here. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:07.800 Thanks for having me. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.280 The first thing I want to talk to you about 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.559 is I have so much I want to talk to 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.280 you about. Was that after this selection happened, I went 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.720 through this process of like trying to figure out what 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:20.360 I got wrong and how my own wish casting sort 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.920 of clouded my judgment, and how, you know, just sort 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.199 of the litany of ways in which I could perhaps 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.360 like get information more clearly. I thought everyone was doing that. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.800 It turned out that everyone was just trying to tell 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:39.080 each other what they had gotten wrong. I feel like 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.480 you are thoughtful, introspective in a way that not many 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.560 people are. Is there something wrong with us for being 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:47.000 that way. 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.160 Look, I do think that there are some real hopium 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.080 merchants out there. Yeah, And I think that because the 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.160 hopium merchants were a little more right in twenty twenty two, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.080 most people over listened to them in twenty twenty four. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.360 And I will say, I mean, I'm happy to do 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.359 my own sort of pundit accountability. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.840 I feel like you have. I just remember the two 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.080 of you, and even and Tim especially was like, you know, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.320 he was like, we sort of know she's better off 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.400 than he is, but it's not entirely clear to me 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.160 that either of them can win. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.200 Yeah, going into the election, I was like, look, if 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.400 I'm using the focus groups, I could make the case 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.840 either way, because part of what happened was it was 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.240 so dismal when it was Joe Biden that we saw 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.320 this huge uptick for her, but it was never clear 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.000 whether that was going to be enough because the hole 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.280 that they were digging out of with Joe Biden, and 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.120 this is where look at people were mad when I 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.360 was like, he's got to drop out, He's got to 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.040 drop out. But I cannot tell you how much the 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.120 data going back to like twenty twenty one like after 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.480 basically Afghanistan and the Delta researchers like Joe Biden never recovered. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:57.720 He was deeply unpopular. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.480 People thought he was too old, and whether you like 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.480 that or not, it's just true. And him running and 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.080 not allowing for a robust Democratic primary that could separate 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.559 from him was I think the fatal error. And I'll 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.080 tell you, the focus groups were so different going into 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.400 twenty four than they were in twenty. Like in twenty twenty, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.800 I felt sure he was going to win, and actually, 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.040 you know, Trump overperformed I think our expectations back in 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.120 twenty twenty. But here's one of the things that I 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.240 also would point to as just a It wasn't a 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.600 blind spot because I knew about it, but I wasn't 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.920 quite sure what emphasis to put on it. So I 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.360 was spent a lot of time talking to Trump to 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.680 Biden voters. So people have voted for Trump and sixteen 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:37.360 and then Biden in twenty to see if they were 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.680 going to stick with him, And the thing was the 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.160 majority were, but we were always losing one or two people. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:43.880 I'm sure we talked about that last time, because that 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.959 was like the dominant piece of evidence, was there was 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.880 always a little bit of backsliding, and so the question was, 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.080 then could Kamala Harris pick up some new people to 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.840 offset that backsliding, And that didn't happen, and in fact, 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.440 Trump picked up a bunch of sort of newish people 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.360 or low info or people are just are low propensity, right, 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.319 they don't vote in a lot of elections, or they 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.079 just turn out for presidentials. That is who he has 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.760 always dominated with. And on the election day, when I 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.720 saw how high turnout was, that used to be a 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:13.920 good sign for Democrats, but it's not. It was I 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.920 knew it was like, oh, no, turnout, super high. That's 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.320 better for Trump because Democrats are kind of maxing out. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:20.800 Now. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.079 They got these college educated suburban voters in their trade, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.400 but they're maxing out on those voters and there's only 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.240 so many of them. There are way more non college 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.520 working class voters who vote just in presidential elections. And 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.079 that's where Donald Trump and Donald Trump overperformed this time. 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.480 Any other Republican, like other Republicans aren't turning those people out, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:40.559 but Donald Trump does. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:47.480 And in fact, you had states like Arizona where there 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:52.960 were real Diego Trump voters. Oh yeah, absolutely, and in Wisconsin, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.240 tammy Ball went, you know, which is wild. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.960 Yeah, but those are people who look at her and say, 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.720 or look at Diego and say, I don't know, this 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.440 person seems like a working you know that they will 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.520 be a good sort of for the working class. But 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.800 they also like Trump. Look, the guy's been a celebrity, 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.480 he's been with us for decades. People have voted for 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.200 him now many times, and so they feel slightly different 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.520 about him. He pulls in a real cross category a 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.240 voter and including you know, one of the things that's 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:23.920 been in that we've been doing a lot of postgame 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:25.640 with the focus groups. And I also want to just 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.200 say from the qualitative side, I felt like, look, I 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.320 felt like both the polling and the qualitative side sort 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.920 of told us on all guys, this could go either way. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.240 And it's like tough sledding, Like tough sledding for the Democrats. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.800 When I've been writing about my own accountability, what, I've 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.040 been surprised that the polls were really underestimated Trump. They 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.360 underestimated Trump in every election he's run at now. Yeah, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.760 but the polls just they can't model for like how 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.000 the turnout's going to be, and so when he's able 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.000 to sort of supercharge these low propensity voters. That's what 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:55.640 he's done every single time. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.720 And also I do think the polling was picking up 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:00.080 on a lot of the things that we saw, oh, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.080 which was like the massive slide with Hispanics, the somewhat 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.120 slide with black voters, and she was able to shore 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:06.640 something up. And let me just say a word about 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:11.520 Kamala Harris. She saved Democrats from an absolute wipeout. She 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.600 really did. Joe Biden was going to lead Democrats to 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.320 a historic wipeout, and she fought it back to a 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.840 place where now Republicans are going to have maybe a 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.960 three seat majority in the House, like they can't do 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.000 anything with a three seat majority, and they're going to 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.880 have a few seat majority in the Senate. But like 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.840 in terms of Republicans doing sort of big things together congressionally, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.160 they probably are going to have a really tough time. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.720 She kept it really narrow. But anyone who says, oh, well, 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.840 Joe Biden, you know, would have won, let me tell 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.560 you something, there's literally not one shread of evidence to 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.360 support that, not a shred. I think the only shread 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.280 of evidence there is to support is that if Joe 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.040 Biden had gotten out a lot earlier and either allowed 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.800 for a Democratic primer or given Kamala Harris more time 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.080 to sort of get better at it, to let people 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.320 know her more, that that might have made a difference. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.920 But that's the only real difference that I think could 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:57.360 have been made. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:02.880 I wonder a lot if some of Joe Biden's problem, 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.560 not a governing problem, but a re election problem, started 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:15.080 with his administration's intentionally boring doing no media, don't write. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:19.040 About us thing like I wonder if that mushroomed. Well, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.000 here's the thing Democrats going forward, if they learn one 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.600 lesson from this, people are going to sort of try 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.560 to categorize thing that I should have gone on Joe Rogan, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.080 it was the podcast election, Okay. Sure. What it really 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.760 means is you can no longer do politics without being 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.160 very good at having a communication strategy. There is no 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.200 way that you and I weren't talking about this on 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.000 your show, because I have been beside myself for the 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.480 entire Biden administration about the fact that they are not 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.800 out there talking. I was like, look, and Joe Biden 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.200 was allows the communicator, right, he was too old, and 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.640 so he didn't have the ability to like communicate Strong'm like, 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.840 but I was like, where are all the surrogates? Where 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.960 is everybody? Else? Where's the mountain of people? Like the 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.240 way that JD. Vance and Donald Trump just went on 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:03.320 everything were everywhere talking to people directly, Like that allowed 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.120 the mainstream media like they can't define Donald Trump and 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.040 you can people say, you know, he did this or that. 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.600 But like if people will get to hear him directly 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.919 and they say, well, he doesn't sound like Hitler, Pamla 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.560 Harris needs to be able to be like, well, I 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.160 don't sound like somebody who can't form a sentence, right, 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.560 You've got to be there to puncture the way the 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.520 other side is trying to define you directly with voters 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.560 and so sort of the everything everywhere, all at once 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.399 strategy has to be how people communicate and they have 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.120 to be able to do it authentically. And so if 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.600 you can't walk shore footed into all kinds of spaces, 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.880 non traditional spaces, unfriendly spaces, like you can't do politics anymore. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.280 Like you've got to be able to do that. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.400 Yeah, I think that's really the issue is Like by 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.840 the time he had gotten there, that that White House 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:51.440 didn't really do a lot of communicating. They one offer 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.960 up either the president or the vice president very much. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.000 And so in that vacuum, Trump was able to fill 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.120 that vacuum throughout the entire Yes. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.760 Trump had constant counterprogramming, and he also locked up the 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.639 nomination so early, like man was he able he was 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.720 able to run a campaign early he dominated that primary. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.840 And yeah, there was I mean, like Joe Biden took 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:14.960 a pass on like. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.680 A Super Bowl interview. No I don't we do it here? 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:19.880 Why we do it? 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.520 But that communications problem and this is the other thing, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:23.840 like you have to be able to communicate sort of 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.600 twenty four to seven, Like you can't just run a 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.159 campaign right at the end and be like, well this 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:28.920 is when people pay attention. You also have to be 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.840 able to say, Okay, why didn't anybody know what the 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.639 Biden administration did? Why didn't they know about Because I 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.840 get yelled at on Twitter sometimes they're like, well, Joe 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.399 Biden was a great present. Hear jblast my buddy. So 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.080 as you know, Joe Biden passed all these big legislatives. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.600 And I was like, yeah, but nobody knows about him. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:44.840 And that's the problem. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.840 The idea that these people don't know about any stuff 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.960 that happened is in itself, you know, that ultimately is 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.600 Joe Biden's why Joe Biden. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.640 Didn't get reelected, right, Yeah, that's right. 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.080 It's why he was unpopular. 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.640 It's why they were able to push him out once 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.040 it became clear he was absolutely not up to the job. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:03.680 But there's also a bunch of other reasons I just 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.520 want to throw out there that I hear all over 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.359 the focus groups, and some of them are things like 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.040 people didn't like the fact that there wasn't a primary, 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.160 Like the fact that it just went from Joe Biden 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.919 to Kamala Harris without sort of input rubbed a lot 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.520 of people the wrong way. The other thing is, even 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.560 though RFK was only getting you know, two or three 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.040 percent nationally, there was this cross section of voters that 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.720 I think ultimately might have been kind of determinative. I've 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.520 heard a lot of this where people are like, you know, 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.080 I voted for RFK and for Elon and for Tulsi 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.879 and like Trump last, but like, there is this red 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.160 pilled voter. It's not a Republican voter. It is a 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.159 red pilled voter who honestly probably was like kind of 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.240 a Democrat for a long time, a casual one who 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.040 was brought over by the anti establishment sort of red 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.959 pilled people that Donald Trump was surrounding himself with. He 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.480 was able to pull just enough people away from Democrats. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.000 With those sort of people, at the end of the year, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.480 you curve of politics. And look, this has long been 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.720 a feature of Trump where I talked to a lot 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.920 of Bernie voters who voted for Trump after voting for 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.040 Bernie in a Democratic primary, and he has just been 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.240 able to pull those voters away by being a really 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:16.520 unworthodox candidate. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.960 Yeah. No, I mean, I hate it, but I think 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:24.680 that is absolutely correct. Democrats were the establishment party. It's 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.480 not just establishment, I think in terms of them trying 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.240 to be defenders of democracy, they got a little bit 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.640 wrapped up in kind of the defenders of the status quo. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.440 And then also though one of the things you hear 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.520 from voters all the time, which is a shift in 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.680 voters where they now say I don't want a regular 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.639 politician like they like Trump because he's not a regular politician. 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.920 And even when Kamala Harris to them like technically sounded 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.800 good and she was, they were like, yeah, you know, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.240 she doesn't sound like the way they stay sound, but 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.560 they did. She did sound like a regular politician to them. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.000 She didn't have a clear message that broke through to them. 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.360 And so that's where it was a Now now, as 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.959 a result, we're in an extremely dangerous place. What now 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:05.840 right now is we're going to look at four more 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:06.520 years of Trump. Now. 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:08.520 I want to say a couple things though, really quickly. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:10.800 One is that Trump is going to be a lame 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.960 duck president. And I'm seeing a lot of fear from people, 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:18.840 a lot of pre surrender, a lot of chilling effect, 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.800 and like the and that is a thing we cannot 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.040 allow to happen, Like people are going to have to 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.880 find It's funny. I've heard that the phrase all my life. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.000 You know, the only thing we have to fear is 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.800 fear itself. But I don't think I ever understood it 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.119 until now, watching the way people are engaging with the fear, 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.120 and the fact is like, we don't need hashtag resist, 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.399 We need like real courage and strength in this moment 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.000 to push forward. We got to find a way to organize. 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.359 And I was just talking to George Conway for the 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.560 pod and I was asking him, like, should Biden issue 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.040 blanket pardons for people like Liz Cheney or Fauci And 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.879 he said no, No, like that is that's not a 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.359 good way to use use the pardon power. But what 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:58.840 we should do is get on war footing, like we 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.520 need to raise money for we need to get make 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.080 sure people have access to lawyers, and we need to 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.439 fight the fight. And I personally believe that offense is 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.280 always the best defense, right, Like, they got to govern now, 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.960 especially with these guys. Yeah, these are a bunch of 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.840 ego maniacal narcissists who are going to fight with each other. 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:19.159 Like governing's hard sometimes when you're in the opposition, it 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.480 can be a little easier, and you just let them. 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.800 Let them own this. They've got to pass a budget 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.160 bill right out of the gate. They got to fund 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:28.560 the government. Let me tell you what, that's good luck 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:32.240 with your three vote majority though, Mike Johnson and so Democrats, 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.280 But Democrats should not bail them out. Look, I'm a 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:38.200 big norms values institutions person, but I also believe that 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.479 you can play political hardball, and Democrats should and they 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.600 should not build Republicans out voters ask them to run 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.080 the government, so let them. I think that Democrats should 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.040 be thinking about what their red lines are. Where are 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.280 the places they should fight, and where are the places 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.439 they should let voters get the full experience of what 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:55.080 they've asked for. 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:00.280 It's true. I think that's a really good point. Blame 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.640 to us sort of what you think Democrats should be 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.560 focused on? Like it in my mind it's norms and institutions. 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:09.639 But what do you think the red line should be? 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.400 Well, I think it should be rule of law on elections, right, 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:14.159 like you want to make sure on the other side 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:18.880 of Trump's four years we still have free and fair elections, right. 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.360 We want a correction in twenty twenty six. I think 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:23.440 we can get it. You want to protect the rule 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:25.320 of law as best you can, because this is going 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:27.840 to be the most corrupt administration of our lifetime. 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:28.600 People need to. 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.760 Get familiar with the word cacistocracy because I'm not sure 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.439 the answer to this, and I don't want to be 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:36.480 pollyannish at all about what we might be facing. I 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.280 think cash Betel is a very scary thing. I think 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.240 Pete Heggs that's very like these are scary people, but 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.320 they're also all like dopes out to enrich themselves, and 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.760 so the extent to which retribution might quickly become just 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.520 a big sense of corruption and them all trying to 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.119 sort of get what's theirs is something I think we 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:56.080 very much could see. But I do think that Democrats 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.400 need to pick new leaders right, like the new next 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.520 generation has to rise up here, should define themselves in 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.880 opposition to what's about to happen. And I'm talking about 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.760 picking really smart people to lead the DNC. Like I'm 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:10.439 a big fan of Ben Wickler, know him personally. I 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.640 think he's really good strategically and we're not even I'm 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:14.840 not even with them on some of the policy stuff, 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.359 but I just think he knows what he's doing and 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.960 knows how to bring the factions of the Democratic Party together. 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.720 I think there's a lot of deep bench and rising stars, 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.199 and I hope they all start to stand up and 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.840 show an alternative Like the Republicans did this. They spent 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:33.280 the four years of the Biden administration in an opposition 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.040 that allowed people to be like, this is what the 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.880 opposition look like, It's who the players are. Democrats need 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:40.680 to do that too, and so leaders need to emerge now, 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.399 and I hope that they are smarter yet than just 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.000 sort of hashtag resistant that they figure out how to 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.560 really do the important stuff on guardrails, but also like 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.120 rethinking their communication strategy, Like you've got a few really 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.560 good communicators, but the way in which communication is going 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.159 to go down as the biggest failure of the Biden years, 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:01.000 and they got a correct that real fast. 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.200 Yeah. Communication, it's not a legislative problem, no, I. 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:06.800 Mean, look, Joe Biden did a bunch of good, big 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:08.760 bipartisan things, Like if I had to go back and 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:12.080 relitigate the Democrats coming out and doing HR one as 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.919 one of their big attempts at legislative stuff rather than 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.800 reigning and executive power after we had just seen that. Like, 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:19.480 I just think there's a lot of failures in twenty 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.520 twenty one, the biggest ones being on the Republican side 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.120 who refused to hold Trump accountable after the January sixth 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.520 insurrection and his attempt his refusal to engage in a 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.320 peaceful transfer power. But I also think Democrats chose a 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.600 bunch of boneheaded legislative things to do out of the 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.520 gate that were not that like sort of missed the 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.639 fact that we could end up in this snapback moment. 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.359 But look in terms of infrastructure and some of the 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.760 other things Joe Biden did, those were good bills that 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.880 they should have gotten credit for that they just couldn't 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:47.119 communicate to the voters about you know, is going to 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.240 get credit for it. Trump Trump's going to get the 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.919 benefits of all the infrastructure money as it rolls in. 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:55.399 If you're wanting these Republican senators and you're trying to 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.119 think of, like who are the ones who, like you 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:02.280 feel like have spine and might stand up for things. 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.240 I think Collins has been not always good, but I 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.199 think she's been overly maligned, and I think we're going 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:09.800 to see some good things from Rakowski and Collins. But 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.520 there's also a bunch of senators you don't know their names. 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.720 That's they are the ones that sit in the back 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.280 and like try to keep their heads down and do 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:18.880 decent things. 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:22.760 Mike grounds Langford too, I mean he's famous, yeah. 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.560 Langford, who's very conservative, but he's like, oh, he's an 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.040 institution's guy. And you're even already seeing I think there 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:33.879 was an overly defeatist attitude about Trump's nominations, and like 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:37.720 they are now quietly killing them. And so I think 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.200 that that is good and that you know, they don't 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.440 want to do it publicly. They're not you know, profiles 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.200 and courage, but they are right now putting their foot 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:47.240 down in some places, or at least and I even 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.280 Joni Ernst, I think when she said we had a 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.679 frank exchange of views with Pete Hegseth, I hope he 0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:53.560 told her about how women shouldn't be in the military, 0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:56.040 since she is herself a military veteran. So like I 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.439 just I think there are ways in which the Senate 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:02.240 might be a little better than what people originally thought. 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.439 No, that was my take too, and I was happy 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.200 to see it, and I wanted people to stop engaging 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.359 in that defeatist attitude and instead say, you know, this 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.600 is their job and they're expected to do it because 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.560 you know, however, if they want to do it like 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.240 total cowards, which it seems like they do, then that's 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.640 fine too. As long as they do it, that's right. 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.240 Sarah Long, Well, thank you. I was just really glad 0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:26.880 to get to talk this through with you, so. 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.800 Thanks, love it, Thanks so much for having me. 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:34.960 Chris Murphy is the junior senator from Connecticut. Welcome back, 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:40.120 to Fast Politics. Senator Murphy Grey All, Yah, good. I mean, 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:44.000 all things considered, I want you to talk about this 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:48.240 theory that you've been working on about where Democrats should 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:48.639 go next. 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:50.760 Yeah, I listen. I don't think any of us have 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:55.440 the complete case yet, but I mean, my underlying premise 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.680 is that we got skunked, and it'd be a real 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.520 mistake for us to think that there are minor adjustments 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.200 that will fix our brand and try to grow our coalition. 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.960 You know, maybe I'm a little overly focused on the Senate, 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:14.159 but right now our ceiling is fifty two seats in 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.399 the Senate because we are not competitive any longer in 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.680 places that just a nanosecond ago we were competitive in, 0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:25.159 like Ohio and Florida and Missouri and Iowa. So it 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.600 feels to me like we've got to do a real 0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.600 hard assessment of why we claim to be the party 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:34.800 of poor people and working people, and working people and 0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.280 poor people aren't voting for us. That sounds like we're 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.880 not listening to the people we actually represent. You know, 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:44.200 My early theory of the case is this that we 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.800 have become the party of the status quo. We're the 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.440 party that defends the establishment, and the Republican Party has 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.000 become the party to attack the status quo. That up 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:58.680 ends fifty plus years of political paradigm. And there's a 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.720 lot of different paths to once again become the true 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:06.240 progressive change party, but I would argue it starts by 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:12.280 being a real pugilistic populist party, meaning we attack power, 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.640 we name who has power, and we are really transparent 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:20.160 in the ways that we call for the elites to 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.640 lose power and for regular people to get it. That 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:26.760 means naming names, that means making people inside our coalition uncomfortable. 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.240 And then the second part is make that economic populism, 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.440 that breakup of concentrated power the tentpole of the party 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.600 and allow anybody in who is going to fight with 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:41.440 us to break up the monopolies, to control the tech companies, 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:46.880 to cap prescription drug prices, tax billionaires. That means, if 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.920 you're not lined up with us on one hundred percent 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.280 of our social and cultural issues as well as other 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:53.760 hot buttons like guns and climate, we're going to let 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:55.520 you in the tent. We're going to allow for some 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.560 disagreement and less litmus tests. That's a hard thing for 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:01.920 our party because we have come to apply a whole 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.160 bunch of litmus tests, and that has meant that our 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.240 coalition has shrunk, not expanded. It has meant that a 0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.640 lot of kind of conservative poor people don't feel like 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.760 they find a home with us. So that's my early 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.320 analysis here. And I don't claim to have all the answers. 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.520 I'm not one hundred percent sure I'm right, but I 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.240 don't think we have a lot of time to sort 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.760 of natlegates. I think we got to fix things pretty 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:26.800 fast because the train's coming. 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.080 You know. It's so funny, because I mean, funny is 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.960 perhaps the wrong word here, but it's interesting because Jed 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:36.520 here writes for The Nation as very lefty, basically said 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.120 the exact same thing about this election. He said Democrats 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.120 became the status quo party when you look at the 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.040 numbers and you look at the sort of underperformance among 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:51.160 working people in urban areas. What Harris did was she 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.920 had a lot of policy proposals, and she actually tried 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:58.000 really hard to talk about a lot of implementation of 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.000 those policy proposals. So my question is, I wonder how 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.400 much of that was his inability to communicate from an 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:09.000 early on, Like all Trump does is communicate. He doesn't 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.880 do policy, he doesn't do anything else but communicate. Meanwhile, 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.040 Democrats just did not communicate very much despite doing a 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.200 lot of economic populism. I mean, the legislation was almost 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:21.320 FDR style. 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:23.320 Well, I mean, there's a couple of things to say 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.560 about that. First, people want you to relate to the 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.280 way that they are feeling. They actually want you to 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:34.720 spend some time listening to them and talking to them 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.040 about the problem and the injustice. Now Trump is one 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:42.560 hundred percent diagnosed, complain about the problem, complain about the injustice. 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.320 He offers no solutions, and it's like really frustrating for 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:50.480 policy wonk Democrats when Trump gets away with it. But 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:55.440 it's because human psychology wants to be heard, and the 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.560 way that you know you've been heard is to listen 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:02.040 to somebody be outraged about the injustice that you're experiencing. 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:06.280 So take prescription drug prices. It's an outrage. People feel 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.200 it's an outrage. Democrats spend like twenty percent of our 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:13.240 time talking about the outrage, in eighty percent of our 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.560 time explaining the solution, which by the way, is kind 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:21.440 of a small ball adjust the market solution, a different 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:26.840 way to negotiate prices with the existing drug companies. We 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.400 should be shooting eighty percent of our time talking about 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.360 the problem, talking about the drug companies who are screwing Americans, 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:38.040 naming the exact CEOs, the exact companies hauling them before Congress, 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.400 and twenty percent of our time talking about the solution. 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.560 So we just communicate the wrong way. It doesn't match 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.000 up with how people actually perceive the world and think 0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:49.400 about problems. And I agree with you that Harris had 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.680 a lot of really good policy proposals on the economy. 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.160 And again i'm with you, like I think this was 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.120 a hard campaign for her to whim given that she's 0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.240 shoved into it with a really short calendar. I'm not 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:00.800 sure that if she did everything right, she was going 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:01.080 to win. 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.040 Yeah, you have to wonder, like Democrats have run two 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:08.200 very competent women like there is may not just be 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.440 their personalities, right, It may just be the innate misogyny 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:12.400 of American life. 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.080 Well, I mean that that might be true, but I 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.479 don't know. That sounds to me like a little bit 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.080 of an invitation to not be engaged in a real 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.479 hard to look at our policy. I mean, you can 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.480 say it's misogyny and racism, and you know what, throw 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:27.240 up our hands. 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.560 Except the one thing I would say is like, it's 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:33.440 obviously not racism because Americans have elected a black president. 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.040 So like there's one thing that both of these. And again, 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:38.680 I'm not going to put you on this because it's 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.800 not relevant to what you're talking about. But I just 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.720 think that the fact that we can't even talk about it, 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.600 and I see it everywhere, and I just wonder why. 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.760 I don't know that there's an inability to talk about it. 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.880 And of course there are voters out there who are 0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:55.560 unwilling to vote for a woman to be president of 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.560 the United States. There were also many young women who 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.080 probably showed up because there was a moment on the 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:06.440 balance It may be that the misogyny outweighs the excitement 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.080 factor of electing the first woman president. But I do 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.240 think that there's weight on both sides of the balance sheet. 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:16.120 But there's another similarity between the Harris campaign and the 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:21.719 Clinton campaign. Neither of them made the economy and populist 0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:25.560 economics the centerpiece of the campaign. The centerpiece of the 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.400 Clinton campaign, and I know this because I got the 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.840 talking points for the last two months. Was Donald Trump's 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:36.000 recklessness and outrageousness. The tenpole of the Harris campaign was democracy. 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:36.600 Right. 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.160 That's why Liz Cheney is campaigning with her in the 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.560 end because in this Chaney disagrees with her on the economy, 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.080 disagrees with her on raising taxes on billionaires, but agrees 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:51.240 with their on democracy. And so there's also that similarity 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.640 that both of those campaigns decide that they are not 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:59.239 going to organize the campaign around attacking economic power, and 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.839 I just think we probably need to learn that lesson. 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.759 First talk to us about what that would look like. 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:09.320 So there's like the status issue, this Hofstadt or status issue. 0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:13.920 Whereas Trump was able to somehow convince voters again that 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.640 he was a working man's candidate, right, that there was 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:18.799 some of that going on. 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.960 Sure again in a short campaign. I think it was 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:27.200 very difficult for them to try to unmask his fake populism. 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.040 But somebody was just in my office earlier today giving 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.279 me a good example of how the campaign would have 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:36.400 been different if you made economic populism and attacking corporate 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.120 power the centerpiece of the campaign. This person was saying, 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:43.320 you remember the part in the campaign where Mark Cuban, 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:48.279 who's one of her primary surrogates comes out and agrees 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.799 that Lena Khan to be fired. And it kind of 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.560 was swept under the rug right by the Harris campaign. 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.480 It was an opportunity to create a fight with a friend, 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.239 right right, right right, go after somebody that you know, 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.439 you consider, you know, part of your club and say no, no, 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.960 you're just wrong about this, Like I'm sorry, I like 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.640 Mark Cuban and I'm glad that he's out there campaigning 0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.760 for me, but a hell no, I am not dismantling 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:16.040 the structure that breaks up corporate power. If you want 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.279 to support me, then you got to know that I'm 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:20.759 coming after the big corporations. And if you want to 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:22.799 be a part of this campaign, you better sign up 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.319 for kicking the shit out of the corporations that are 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.640 screwing regular Americans. On board, Mark, or you're not on board, 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:31.880 Like that would have been a moment, right if you 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:35.920 were organizing the campaign around the issue of attacking corporate 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.080 power and consolidated economic power. And again, I think they 0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.799 ran a really good campaign. This is all in retrospect, 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.880 This is all like hindsight. I think they ran a 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.400 really good campaign. But that's an example of how that 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:47.560 campaign would look differently. 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:53.520 I also think like separating herself from Biden was okay too. 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.680 There were things possible to do, but it was very hard. 0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:58.799 For a long time, I thought you shouldn't go on 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:03.600 places like to because of any number of reasons. But 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:08.439 now I actually believe that Democrats are giving up spaces 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:13.440 where they could actually win hearts and minds. Those clips 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:17.400 that Trump produced from Joe Rogan, like almost seventy million 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.480 people watch them, Like that is insane. 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.680 Yeah, this is again this idea that we have litmus 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.480 tests right, that we're we're not looking for voters that 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.480 don't line up with us on all of our hot 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:34.359 button issues. We don't talk to media personalities that don't 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.520 line up with us on all of our issues. You 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:39.440 and I maybe talked about this. But a year and 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.600 a half ago, there was this conservative song that went 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.520 viral called rich Men North of Richmond, and it was 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.640 this singer who talked about, you know, the soul listness 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.120 of work and low wages and concerted corporate power. He 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:57.280 had some conservative tropes in that song about welfare queens. 0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.600 He had at least one QAnon reference. You could tell 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:02.560 that this was not a guy who was like lined 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.280 up with all of the progressive priorities, but he clearly 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:08.479 cared about the shape of the economy in the justice 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.680 of the economy. And I kind of went online and 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.399 was like, Hey, let's talk to this guy. Let's talk 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.759 to his followers, like this sounds like a group of 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.440 people who should be in a conversation with us. And 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:21.040 I got like shouted down online by the online left 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:22.879 who was like, no, he doesn't agree with us on everything. 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:23.719 I don't want to talk to him. 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:24.400 He's a racist. 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.799 People that listen to him a racists. They're not part 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.279 of our club. And so I just think we made 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.400 a decision to not convert, Like we made a decision 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.440 that if you don't agree with me right now and everything, 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.000 I don't want to be in a conversation with you. 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.640 That's not how you build a movement. You build a 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.360 movement not by just going and getting everybody who already 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.319 agrees with you, but talking to people who don't agree 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:44.640 with you and trying to get them in the tent 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.680 based on some area of alignment, and then once they're 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.440 in the tent, trying to convince them to get a 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:51.360 little bit closer to you on the things that you 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:52.040 don't agree on. 0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.879 I do think one of the things that Trump did 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.560 that was really successful was he took into the tent 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:03.080 RFK Junior, and RFK Junior brought a lot of women, 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.759 and you know, these are largely again I don't want 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.120 to be patronizing here, but these are women who are 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:13.440 a little bit skeptical of a lot of the modern 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:17.360 medicine that I so prize as a person who lives 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.680 in the year twenty twenty four. But I mean that 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.200 was a huge group who had never had anyone ever 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:28.680 appeal to them, and RFK galvanized them, and then Donald 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.240 Trump invited them into his tent. I mean, now, morally 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.840 this is dicey, but there are certainly less moral groups. 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.480 I mean, this group is I think they're being taken 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:41.839 advantage of a little bit. But I do think that 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:43.080 this illustrates the idea. 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.000 Yeah, I do. I'd have to sort of think through 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.400 whether I agree with you as to how much of 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.920 a vote GET or RFK Junior was. There's a judgmentalism 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:56.840 that people attached to us that doesn't exist in Trump's world, 0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.560 and you know, I think that that comes with kind sequences. 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.480 People are a little afraid to be part of our 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:06.480 coalition because they feel like if they use the wrong word, 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:11.800 they talk about gender in a nineteen ninety eight way, 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.040 you know, they'll be pushed at to the side of shame. 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:18.040 So I do think we've got to understand that people 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.480 are a little afraid sometimes to be part of our 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:24.880 coalition because they're worried that we're too judgmental about language 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.120 and about folks who don't agree with us universally. 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:30.279 So what would be the solve for that? 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.880 To first of all, just go to groups of people 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:38.279 that don't agree with us, to be in conversations with 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:43.480 Joe Rogan's audience. Go to church groups where there's, you know, 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:47.400 some sense of selflessness and commitment to community, where you 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.400 might find economic populists who want to be part of 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:55.839 our club. To nominate candidates who don't line up with 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:59.400 us on the twelve most important issues, to do important 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.680 things that signal that we want to be a more 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.080 inclusive party again. 0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:09.000 So can we talk about that Nebraska Senate candidate? 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:13.719 Sure? I mean I wasn't deeply involved in that race. 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.560 Certainly not. It was and Democrats were not involved in it, 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.560 and he didn't run as a Democrat, but I did 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:22.080 interview him, and you know, he was an independent, but 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.640 it was like a purely work the campaign and he 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.640 did ultimately get crushed by the millions of dollars that 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.880 the Republicans put in for deb Fisher. But it struck 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.040 me that this was a guy who was really running 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.840 a totally worker focused campaign. 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:42.720 A worker focused campaign, a campaign that talked about economic power, 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:46.759 that talked about government playing a role to smooth out 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:50.239 the rough edges of the economy, but a campaign that 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:54.040 was really focused on that message. He ran further ahead 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:58.360 of Kamala Harris than any other Senate candidate in the country. 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.799 And yeah, maybe part of that is that he had 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.399 that independent brand, but I think a lot of it 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.000 was that he was, you know, engaging in this kind 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:09.759 of big ten populism that I think is the key 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:12.200 to winning. I don't get the sense that people who 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.640 maybe you know, didn't supporting us all weapons ban, or 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:19.840 were a little squishy on climate or you know, maybe 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:24.240 weren't on board with, you know, our positions on abortion 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:26.279 or gay rights. I don't think that they felt like 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.080 they couldn't be part of his coalition. And that's what 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.759 I'm gunning for and frankly, I think that had he 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.319 been elected, even with the votes of folks who are 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:38.320 anti choice or not on board with you know, gay rights, 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.239 it would have been really good to have somebody like 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.800 that representing Nebraska who would be then in a position 0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:48.839 of power to be in a conversation with folks who 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.640 then might be more willing to listen to somebody somebody's 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.400 argument on why climate matters, on why assault weapons ban 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.000 isn't so scary. That's why you should be open to 0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.840 bringing people who don't always degree with you into the coalition. 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:04.760 Thank you so much for taking the time, Senator Chris Murphy. 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:12.000 Thanks n No Mo Execond, Jesse Cannon. 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:14.800 My junk past. One of the things that has a 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.759 lot of us going hmm is that all the Republicans 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.680 keep saying Elon won Trump the election, and we're starting 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.080 to see some details of why they're seeing that. Of 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.560 all the scummy things he did in this election, what 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:28.600 are you seeing here. 0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:32.000 Elon Musk. He poured twenty million dollars into a mysterious 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:38.200 superpack called the RBG Pack, which launched ads, and they 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:44.040 were ads that were in the name of RBG. Rise 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:47.160 Bader Ginsburg, who she had a chance to resign when 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.040 she was under Obama when she was eighty and she'd 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.880 had cancer. She did not take it and she stayed 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:57.200 in She died in office and was replaced by Amy 0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.960 Coney Barrett, who is a conservative now, and they were 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:05.279 able to overturn movieweight. So this is another way the 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:11.279 Conservatives love to own the Libs by delighting in the 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:15.320 way they have overturned, you know, just taken away things 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.480 from women, and this will be no different. That's it 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:25.680 for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:30.359 Thursday and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:34.719 make sense of all this chaos. 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