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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Today we're joined by Donnie Vincent, adventure bow hunter and

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Speaker 1: filmmaker most well known for his two thousand thirteen epic

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Speaker 1: whitetail film The River's Divide, And in this episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to be chatting about some of Donnie's greatest adventures

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Speaker 1: and discuss how he's chased white tails another big game

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Speaker 1: through some of the most extreme conditions of circumstances that

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Speaker 1: hunting can throw you. This is one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: interviews we had yet, so sit back and enjoy. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. Within this afternoon,

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Speaker 1: as always, is my co host Dan Johnson, and joining

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Speaker 1: us as a special guest today, Donnie Vincent. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. Donnie. Hey, guys, thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: we're we're thrilled to talk with you, and there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some some pretty interesting things I know we're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss. I can't wait. But first off, you know,

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Speaker 1: how are you this afternoon. I'm good. I'm good. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm on pins and needles here. I leave on

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Speaker 1: our next expedition here on August fifteen. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: the point of no return within two weeks. It's running

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Speaker 1: around and trying to shoot my bow every day in

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Speaker 1: a common orderly fashion, and while trying to get gear

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Speaker 1: together and fixed cameras and fixed gear, and so it's

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Speaker 1: it's getting down to the wire. And for some reason,

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Speaker 1: this is all the ways when we have gear failures. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the never ending to do list gets worse when when

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Speaker 1: gear starts taking a crap, doesn't it. Yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's completely done. So but I'm good, I'm excited, we're

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Speaker 1: you know, this summer went really fast, and I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys having me on it's this. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to it. Yeah, well, thank you. And you know,

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Speaker 1: over the past few years kind of kicking things right

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Speaker 1: off here. You know, you've released, you know, several incredible

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Speaker 1: films documenting your hunts, and I'm sure probably this next

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Speaker 1: expedition you're going on, you're going to be filming some

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Speaker 1: pretty neat neat things too, most notably for lov our listeners.

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Speaker 1: At least last year's release, The River's Divide Um was

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Speaker 1: was a film that a lot of people were talking about,

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Speaker 1: and so we're excited to talk about that film and

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Speaker 1: talk about that hunt you had for an incredible white

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Speaker 1: we want to talk strategy and tactics. But before all

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Speaker 1: of that, you know, I would love to understand a

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Speaker 1: little bit about, you know, how you got into hunting

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Speaker 1: and hunting deer and all of that in the first place,

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Speaker 1: and then maybe how that all led up to what

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Speaker 1: you're doing now with these different expeditions and the films

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Speaker 1: and and everything that comes with it. Sure, yeah, absolutely, Um.

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Speaker 1: I have a very what I think is a non

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Speaker 1: traditional hunting back from you know, most most guys their

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Speaker 1: and dad would take him out duck hunting or or

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Speaker 1: you know, they have their family deer camp or whatever,

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Speaker 1: something along those lines. And it just wasn't that way

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Speaker 1: for me. My father, Um, he always appreciate the outdoors,

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Speaker 1: and he did go and and he hunted northern Maine

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Speaker 1: my dad would give me a squirrel hunting trip, if

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Speaker 1: with questions about deer and squirrels in this and then

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Speaker 1: I you know, I honestly I think my my hunting

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Speaker 1: actually think it and all of us, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: going back to being hunters and gathers. I think everyone

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Speaker 1: got all these books written by Jack O'Connor and el

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Speaker 1: And man, I read those books from cover to cover.

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Speaker 1: I can't even play how many times about dolls sheep

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Speaker 1: I was just addicted to it. That's awesome. I think

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Speaker 1: So I guess, but like you said, we could get

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Speaker 1: I love where we're started already. That's awesome. Um. Now

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Speaker 1: But you're you know you've had you've had a hard

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Speaker 1: a karaoke machine. Okay, you are forced to sing one song?

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. So you mentioned a lot of hours,

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Speaker 1: you know, sitting out there hunting and stuff, So let's

429
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: talk about that. Um. You know it comes to hunting

430
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,239
Speaker 1: white tails, and sounds like you've had some experience over

431
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: the in the Dakotas and maybe elsewhere too. How do

432
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: you handle those long hunts, whether it be days on

433
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: end or maybe a full day on stand or in

434
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Speaker 1: a blind. Do you have any tricks or experiences that

435
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: have maybe given you some kind of advice you could

436
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: share the readers about how to just to push through

437
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: and persevere through intense amounts of hunts or length of funds. Yeah,

438
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be a terrible guy to talk to

439
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: about this, and all I my friends, some of my

440
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: buddies wrapped me about this a little bit. But almost

441
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: always when I hunt other than early season, I almost

442
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: always starting you know, mid October. Whatever. If I'm hunting deer. Um,

443
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: I sit dark to dark, and uh, it's I'm I'm

444
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: used to spending ridiculously long hours on stand or in

445
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: the ground blind. I don't often hunt from a ground blind,

446
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: but when I do, it's there's just long days. And

447
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: I just like, Um, I just like being out there.

448
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I like taking a stealthy approach as I can to

449
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: get out there. And I like knowing that when the

450
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: afternoon This is going to sound so silly, but I

451
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: like knowing that when the afternoon rolls around, I didn't

452
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: go out and get launch or whatever and then come

453
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: back in. You know, when you come back in in

454
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: the afternoon. This is me personally. When I come back

455
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: in and climb up into my tree, you know, I'm

456
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: sitting there going man, did see me? Did something? Here? Me? Did?

457
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: Did something happened? Whereas when I stay there all day,

458
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you know, as the afternoon rolls around,

459
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: I'm already in there. I'm quiet, I'm set up. But

460
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: be I cannot tell you, And I'm sure if you

461
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: talk to any serious deer hunters like Leewakowski or Adam

462
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: Hayes or any of these guys, I cannot tell you

463
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: the amount of deer that I've seen, including big, huge

464
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: trophy box in the middle of the day. I personally

465
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Speaker 1: had an arrow two or three different big box um

466
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: around the noon hour, noon, one o'clock, something like that.

467
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: And I used to hunt a place in Illinois that

468
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: had fantastically huge deer. And you know, this is an

469
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: odd an outfit in operation. I was one of the

470
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: only the few guys that sat all day and every

471
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,479
Speaker 1: time when I come in for dinner at night, you know,

472
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: all the guys that you just see anything in the

473
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: middle the day because they kind of wanted some validation

474
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: of that, they came in and watched football. And it

475
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: was really funny because I I hunted this place for

476
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: like three years before I realized that they actually served

477
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: lunch at the lodge in the middle of the day.

478
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: But I would come in and they said, you see anything,

479
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, and I would. But I really enjoy hunting.

480
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: I really enjoy sitting there. And I don't know if

481
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: it's that I convinced myself and I only have a

482
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: short time laught, but basically, whenever I go to a

483
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: place where there's three days, five days, fourteen days, I

484
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: just say, hey, I'm only here for fourteen days, I'm

485
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: here for ten days. I have to make the most

486
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: of this. So I'm here to put all of my

487
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: eggs and just you know, I'm here to push it

488
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: to the limit and try to be as successful as

489
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: I possibly can. And that's that's it just drives me.

490
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: I love it. I love what you're saying. Down I

491
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: think we're cut from the same cloth. I am. All

492
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: my friends think I'm nuts too. A lot of my

493
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: buddies here that I hunt, you know, locally here in Michigan. Stuff.

494
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: I'll think I'm crazy as I'll get out for hunting

495
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: fourteen hours straight. But like you said, when for me,

496
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: I feel like I'll feel I'll be upset at myself

497
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: if I feel I haven't done every single possible thing

498
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: I can possibly do to make sure this hunt is

499
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: a success. And if I'm not out in the woods

500
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: for several hours in the middle of the day or

501
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: spooka deer walking in the afternoon or whatever it is,

502
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, I put that on myself. So now for me, though,

503
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: I usually don't start doing that until the end of October.

504
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'll usually end of October through November. That's

505
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: the type of thing I do. But it's interesting to

506
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: hear that you start that a little bit earlier. But yes,

507
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I do if I get the opportunity to hunt. Now,

508
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: with the nature of how I hunt and the things

509
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed, a hunt usually August, September, and most

510
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: of October, I'm in the mountains, so it's it's rare

511
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: that I'm actually even hunting white ties early in the year.

512
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm usually in the mountains. But but when I do

513
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: get the TuS, you get out there, Um, I like

514
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: to sit there. I like to just kind of be

515
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: out there and see what shakes out. Awesome. What do

516
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: you think? What do you think about all this? Dann?

517
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: Are you and all day hunter? Um? Typically my tree

518
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: stands are set up for UH specifics like coming to

519
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: a food source or going to a betting area in

520
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: the morning. I typically only hunt mornings or evenings unless

521
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: it's a rhet in a big old pinch point, then

522
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting all day. But for me, um, and

523
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: just the way my property is is laid out, UM,

524
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not hunting all day because my stands

525
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: are are basically set specific fair enough, so that's just

526
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: a complicated way of saying that you're kind of kind

527
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: of weak when it comes to sitting all days that week.

528
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: I am sorry, I am a weaker man. Yeah. I

529
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: actually hunted with a guy in um Kansas and he

530
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: had huge, huge, huge deer on his wall and at

531
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: several kind of a just a guy that kept to himself,

532
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: but several one seventies eighties, a few one nineties, and

533
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: he would like he would sit nine minutes to a

534
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty minutes at a time, and I was,

535
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: I could not believe that when he told me that,

536
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: and basically his whole plotsop he was. He'd go in

537
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: there and he always set up his stands to where

538
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: he like his stands didn't even have seats. He would

539
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: go in there and he'd stand on this platform absolutely

540
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: perfectly still, not even look around, just sit there still

541
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: as a statue. He's like, I can only do that

542
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: for about two hours before I need to start moving,

543
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: and he goes and if I need to start moving,

544
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: then I get down and get onto there because I

545
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: just want to sit there absolutely perfectly still. And obviously

546
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: he does his homework beforehand. But that guy killed several

547
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: and I mean several huge, huge box and that was

548
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: his tactic. Wow. I love that. One of the things

549
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: that me and Dan always talked after these different interviews

550
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: is that we hear from so many different people that

551
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: are all having success killing you know, big deer, mature deer,

552
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: and they're all doing it in almost completely different ways.

553
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: And it's it's so neat to see that there's a

554
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: lot of different ways of skin of cat um or

555
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: kill a deer in this case, and it's all about

556
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, the right tactic for you and your style

557
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: and what you know makes it still enjoyable for you. Um.

558
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: But it's it's just fascinating to hear about the many

559
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: different ways you can do this. Now absolutely, Now, Dan,

560
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: did you have kind of on the same topic when

561
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: it comes to extremes or anything that any anything on

562
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: this topic you want to run by by? Donnie? Yeah,

563
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: just a couple of things, um, one, and will use

564
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: Steve as an example. Uh, you've hunted him a long time.

565
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: And this is kind of a two part question going

566
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: back to when you mentioned it. But first first question

567
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: is how hard was it for you to pass Steve

568
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: When you had your bow in your hand, you were

569
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: getting ready to shoot him and then are just like, well,

570
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: I want to see what he uh, what he grows into?

571
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: Was that Was that a hard decision to make? Or

572
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: was it fairly simple? Um? It was it was a

573
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: little bit of both. And I'll say this in sometimes

574
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: when I say this to people, they look at me

575
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: and they say, man, I've been waiting a long time

576
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: for somebody to say it back to me because that's

577
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: how I feel. And sometimes when I say this to people,

578
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: they look at me like I am blue. So it

579
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: for me, killing an animal is a really big decision

580
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: for me. When I actually come to full draw and

581
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm going for my trigger and I'm the guy that

582
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: I actually consciously think I'm about to send an arrow

583
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: through this deer's vitals. In ten seconds, this deer's life

584
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: is going to be over with, and it's going to

585
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: be because of me. It's just that I just feel

586
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: like it's a very big decision. And if I'm going

587
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: to have any regrets or I'm gonna have any if

588
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: there's any question that any element of it, you know,

589
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: I just won't do it. It's just not for me.

590
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: I just won't do it just to say hey, look

591
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: at me on in a photo. Look at me, I'm successful. Hey,

592
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, look at me. I killed something. I punched

593
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: my ticket. I'm not one of those guys that I'll

594
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: tell you all day long. I eat tags all the time.

595
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I have a been in my basement full of unused tags.

596
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: Until when he was there in front of me. Um.

597
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful, beautiful, snowy winter day. It was

598
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: a little over thirty below zero, and I've been sitting

599
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: for like six hours something like that. And so he

600
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: walked out, you know, everything warmed up. I grabbed my bowl,

601
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, plicked my release on. It was go time.

602
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: Like I was about to shoot the biggest deer in

603
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: my life. And like I said, he's probably a hundred

604
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: fifty inches and and I just kind of sat saw

605
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: him standing there in the big snowflakes, and I was like,

606
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: you know what, there's a chance. There's a chance that

607
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna that he's gonna make it. And I actually,

608
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: rather than picturing myself dead behind Steve, I pictured telling

609
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: my body who also knew Steve, I've pictured telling him, Hey, man,

610
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: I saw Steve and I let him go. So it's

611
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna be really fun for us to see if it

612
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: looks like a five years old and a kind of

613
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: that seem the more alluring to me than than killing him.

614
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Does that make any sense at all? Makes a lot

615
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: of sense, a lot of sense. And I think the

616
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: good thing about it is I don't know if it's

617
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: necessarily a conservation decision, but I believe there's two different

618
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: types of hunters out there. You know, you've got your

619
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: weekend warriors, you're running gunners, the people who go out

620
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: basically just for a kill. And then and I consider

621
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: myself the second one, which is more of a spiritual

622
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: kind of a connect connect with nature, doesn't have to

623
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: kill to have a successful season type of hunter. And um,

624
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: when you you know, when you just told me that,

625
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: because I don't think it shows it on the video

626
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: of you passing him. I know you may mention it,

627
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: but UM, showing that is kind of just I don't

628
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: know what words to use, but I'll just say, awesome.

629
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: I wish I would, you know, I just wish more

630
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: hunters would kind of have that um that mew on hunting. Yeah,

631
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: and I agree, I think the animals facts were hunting. Uh,

632
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, we owe it to them. I don't don't

633
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I you know, went out and shot

634
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: my limited mallards. I've I've went to properties on you

635
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: know do intensive um weekends or no intensive properties and

636
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: shot four or five does in three or four days.

637
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: And it's awesome and I'm excited about the meat is fantastic.

638
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: But it's just when I'm there, Um, you know, maybe

639
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: I have a weird vision, but I'm they're looking for

640
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: a certain animal that's gonna fill you know, this experience

641
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: for me, and that's what Um, you know that it's

642
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: it's I just think it's a really big decision. Yeah.

643
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: And now now my second question real quick is I'm

644
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: a I'm a huge believer that failure creates a learning opportunity,

645
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: especially for me and Mark have talked about this all

646
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the time. You know, we fail a lot and then

647
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: have to use that failure to um make the next

648
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: move towards you know, being a better hunter. Where that

649
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: can you give a specific time or when you were

650
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: hunting Steve or maybe another white tail that you had

651
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: a failure, but we're able to learn from it. Oh

652
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: my god, so so many. I mean my entire repertoire,

653
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: my every call, I use, every tree stand, I use

654
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: the clothing, I use, the bow, I use the arrow,

655
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: I use. Every single thing that I use, every step

656
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: I take when I hunt is because of a previous failure,

657
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: every single one. I mean, that's the evolution of my

658
00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: gear alone of um has has effect. It has been

659
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: affected by an absolute you know, just a plethora of failures.

660
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: If I was gonna point um, you want to know

661
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: one lesson learned, one big lesson learned from myself, Yeah,

662
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: is um. You know I shot a mule dere. This

663
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: is Oh, there's only a couple of guys that really

664
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: know this story. But I arrowed a mule dere several

665
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: years ago in Alberta. And the gentleman that was guiding

666
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: me on that hunt, because you have to be guided

667
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: in Canada, the gentleman that was guiding me on that

668
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: hunt is a mule their expert, if you will. And

669
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: I know I know quite a bit about mule there myself.

670
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: But I basically I aroed a mule there that I

671
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: believe would have absolutely shattered the world record, the current

672
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: typical world record. And I shot him in. Um. I

673
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: snuck up to about thirty five yards and I got him. Um.

674
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: I went in a little bit too fast, and he

675
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: stood up a little bit before I was ready. I

676
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: came the full drawing. It was. It was probably about

677
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: a fifty win that day, and I shot and my

678
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: arrow hit him back and through the guts. And it's

679
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: a very long story, but I ended up watching that

680
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: deer tip over twice and I thought he was done

681
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: and uh, and then I ended up watching him bed

682
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: down because I was way up on this cool and

683
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: I watched him bed down, and through a series of

684
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: conversations I got talked into from the alphame that I

685
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: was with, I got talked into going down there and

686
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: trying to get another arrow in him. You know, A

687
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: long story short, that deer got a big and and

688
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: fuse of you know, a big shot of adrenaline from

689
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: from us going into that thicket and took off and

690
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: we never saw him again. And and that thing has

691
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: haunted me since the day had happened. I learned so

692
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: much on that hunt of you know, going in too

693
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: fast and I you know, I made too much noise

694
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: and he got to stand up. If I would have

695
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: just taken my time and flipped in there, um, you know,

696
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: I could have got in on him and he could

697
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: have stood up naturally or whatever. But yeah, I mean

698
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: I've learned. I can't even tell you how many mistakes

699
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: I've learned. That one of the reasons why I started

700
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: hunting all day. I was hunting in Illinois one time

701
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: and I got a really upset stomach. I went back

702
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: to the lodge, and I want when I started feeling better,

703
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I feel better, I'm going to

704
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: head out to my tree stand. I went back out

705
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: to my tree stand and there's a there's a ten

706
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: or twelve point box that I would put at, you know,

707
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: somewhere around the one eight mark was curled up like

708
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: a dog sleeping not yards from my tree stand, and

709
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: uh and I think of things like that, you know,

710
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, I'm never leaving a tree

711
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: stand ever again. Literally, never ever again, my leaving tree stand,

712
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: you know. And then and then you know, my arrow

713
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: hit Steven the shoulder. This you know that in the

714
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: first part of the film. And so I started looking

715
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: at arrow densities and arrow weights, and I started looking

716
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: at momentum and penetration not just energy, and you know,

717
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: all of these things. Everything has that, everything's been a

718
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: learning and everything that I use is from from a failure.

719
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: And I agree with you. Success Um, I believe breeds

720
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: laziness because you think you've nailed it. You think you've

721
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: nailed it, and and and really it's when you start

722
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: missing the bulls eye that you have to start problem solving.

723
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: And that is where you know, that's the mother of

724
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: invention in the that's where you start to really find

725
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: your true genius. I think one of the one of

726
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: the things you just mentioned there, Donny, Um the time

727
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: where when you hit Steve in the shoulder and you

728
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: never recovered him. Um, can you talk to us a

729
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: little bit about how you deal with the situation like that,

730
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: whether it be even the mule there you shot gut

731
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: shot at didn't find it. How do you handle a

732
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: miss or wounded deer like that, just mentally? And then

733
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: how do you get yourself up and ready for the

734
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: next hunt? Because I think that's something that almost every

735
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: single probably of deer hunters and any kind of hunter

736
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: will eventually experience that no matter how much they practiced

737
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: him might matter how much they try to do things right,

738
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: things happen. So how do you deal with that? Well,

739
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: first of all, when you're like wounding a deer, through

740
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: a major cavity, or or even if you hit one

741
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: in the leg and it's and you're finding a lot

742
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: of blood or whatever, Number one hands down, I will.

743
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: I refuse to do it any other way. Is I

744
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: give them at least twenty four hours. I hear guys say,

745
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: if I hit him in the liver, I'm gonna give

746
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: him six hours. If I hit him you know here,

747
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him eight hours. If I hit him

748
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: in the gust, I'm gonna give him twelve hours. For me,

749
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: it's twenty four hours period, end of story. Uh. And

750
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: I learned that from that mule there, and I am

751
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: a whole believer that if we would have given that

752
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: deer twenty four hours, he'd be dead in that thicket. Um,

753
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: but I got I got talked into going down there.

754
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: You know. The oftener said, oh man, tonight, coyotes are

755
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: coming in. They're gonna scare him into the river. He's

756
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: gonna dine in the river, he's gonna sink, he's gonna

757
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: float away. You're never gonna see him again. And I

758
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: was popped into it. And it's because he wanted kind

759
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: of that instant crowd vacation of getting him right now.

760
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: And so wounding a deer the biggest advice. Get rid

761
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: of the eight hours of ten hour, the twelve hour rule.

762
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: If you wound a deer, give him twenty four hours.

763
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: You will never ever regret it. Yes, coyotes might eat

764
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: him or something like that, but just give him twenty

765
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: four hours. If you can slip in close to him,

766
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: if you see him go down, you can slip in

767
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: there and get another air on and kill him quickly.

768
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: Obviously that that trump's all. But um, you know, give

769
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: the animals twenty four hours. That's that's absolutely number one.

770
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: And as far as wounding one, wounding one that you

771
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: know lived. Um, with Steve, I was pretty sure you lived.

772
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: I found out positively in that November is when I

773
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: found out, because they got they got pictures of him again.

774
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: He started showing up again, walking on some of his

775
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: old trails and he only looks fine. So um, but right,

776
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, right after when it happened to Steve, that

777
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: was my biggest white tile at the time, and I

778
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: was just really disgusting. I hated thinking about him being wounded.

779
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: I hated thinking about him laying there in his bed

780
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: in pain. And and and then I hated. You know, you

781
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: don't get that many opportunities, especially as an archer. You

782
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: don't get that many opportunities in a lifetime. And and

783
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: uh and so to blow it, it's just just made

784
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: my heart sink, you know. And then with the mule deer,

785
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I shot that mule there.

786
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: It's like September eight or ninth, something like that, and

787
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: I didn't touch my bow again until that December. I

788
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: didn't even pick my bow up again. I just stopped

789
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: humming that fall. And I was just if you ask

790
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: my wife, she'll tell you it was. It was really bad. Man.

791
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: I still think about that mule there every single day.

792
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Every single day. It pops in my head. And so

793
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: it's that's a tough thing to get over. You kind

794
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: of have to get past it. You have to get over.

795
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: If you do this long enough, a deer will even

796
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: if you are you know, Levi Morrigan, a deer will

797
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: move before your arrow gets there. I'll guarantee you Levi

798
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: has lost a deer um. And and you know it's

799
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: sometimes things happen. Your arrows hit twigs and and you

800
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: know there's wind and this and that, So you know,

801
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: it's everybody deals with it separately. Wounding deer. But you know,

802
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: that's a tough one to get over. But if you

803
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: wound one and you believe it's a mortal wound. To me,

804
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, twenty four hours, twenty four hours, twenty

805
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 1: four hours. Some people say, oh my god, it's gonna

806
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: rain or it's gonna snow. I don't care. Twenty four hours,

807
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: you can do a good search. Wait, twenty four hours. Yeah,

808
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. That's that's something I always struggle

809
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: with too. Like you mentioned in the situation, like if

810
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: it's raining or snowing, you know, do you risk losing

811
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: the blood trailer? Do you want to risk bumping the deer?

812
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: And I think I've kind of settled on what you

813
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: just said there too. I would rather make sure he's

814
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: close to the last known location I weren't nowhere is

815
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: at and done for sure, so that you can do

816
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: a grid search or something. But I don't know where

817
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: do you stand on that one? Dan, perfect example last

818
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: year would have been my biggest buck to date. Well,

819
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: I shot him quartering away pretty hard, quartering away. I

820
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: felt the arrow was deep into his cavity. Um I

821
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: hit him right behind the or a little bit behind

822
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: the back leg, but at the angle it would have

823
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: went into the chess cavity. It was right almost right

824
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: at the last rib going into the chess cavity. Um.

825
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: I saw him walk off very slow at with about

826
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: just the fletchings and the tip hanging out of his uh,

827
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: hanging out of the body, and um walked very slow away.

828
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: I I went in probably two hours later, and I

829
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: a grid searched over a two day period and didn't

830
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: find him. So yeah, I that that right there is

831
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: a definitely learning experience, And I agree with Donnie. Everybody

832
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: just said it's a tough lesson to learn, but it

833
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: sticks with you, I imagine, yeah, oh yeah, now something

834
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: you said there, Donnie always back, but it stuck with

835
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: me as you mentioned that, I think it was the

836
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: day that you passed Steve the first time you said

837
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: it was negative thirty degrees I think, or somewhere around there. Um.

838
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: So I'm curious when it comes to handling weather conditions

839
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: like that, whether be on a white tail hunt in

840
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: North Dakota where it's freezing cold, or you're in the

841
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: mountains chasing sheep. You know, how do you both mentally

842
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: handle that kind of physical strain, and then you know

843
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: what are you doing from a gear or physical perspective

844
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: to be able to actually handle those kinds of conditions. Sure,

845
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: um mentally is a big one, right if you UM,

846
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: I've never experienced this myself because whenever I'm in sheep camp,

847
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm there by myself or whatever, and I think that

848
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: you know it's it's um. You have to be mentally strong. Obviously,

849
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: you have to prepare prior to the hunt, get yourself

850
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: as physically fit as you can. But people talk about

851
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: sheep shape. I don't know if white tail hunters unless

852
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: they're paying attention amount hunting people say this term sheep shape.

853
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: Why a percent believe that sheep shape lives between your ears?

854
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: And you just have to have this perseverance. You don't

855
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 1: have to climb the next mountain right now, you don't

856
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: have to hike twelve miles right now. You just have

857
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: to be willing to take one more step. And I

858
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: think you need to have that mental fortitude of it's

859
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: just one more step. I just have to take one

860
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: more step and it's going to bring me closer to

861
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: my goal. And no matter how hard you have to go.

862
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: You just keep going a little bit of a time.

863
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: You have to go at your pace. You have to

864
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: do your thing. But if you keep taking one more step,

865
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: you will achieve that goal. You will be in the hunt.

866
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: And if the conditions are really difficult, like the day

867
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: I passed, the was over thirty below and um, you

868
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: know I got caught on a sheep hunt. You guys

869
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: will see this two films from now when we hunt

870
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: sheep and toke. I didn't even bring a jack on

871
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: that hunt because it was in August sheep hunt and

872
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: I had my system. I had a system that warranted

873
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: me not bringing a jacket. So I did bring a

874
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: jacket and we got cotton blizzards. Essentially the entire hunt

875
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: we're in blizzards. And the gear. Gear is everything. So

876
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: you okay, so you have to be physically fit, you

877
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: have to have your mind right. But beyond that, if

878
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: you have the wrong gear, um, not only are you

879
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna be miserable, but you're gonna be risking your life.

880
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: And I've heard this numerous times. Guys, clients, they write

881
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: these huge checks to go on cheap on sheep onus

882
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: are not cheap and in three or four days into it,

883
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: sometimes even one or two days into it, the clients

884
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: give in and they say, you know what, I'm here,

885
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: I climbed the mountain. I'm proud of myself. I'm ready

886
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: to go home. And the guides and the outfitters trying

887
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: to talk them out of it because they know once

888
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: they're home and in they're warm, cozy bed, they're gonna

889
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: regret it. But um, guys do throw in the towel,

890
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: and it's because they're mentally not prepared or they brought

891
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: the wrong gear. So your system is everything, and and um,

892
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: I've worn it all. I've worn everything out there right now,

893
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: and right now I'm wearing coo you gear. I worse

894
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: Sitka for a very long time. Sicken makes very good system.

895
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: Um who makes a system that's quite a bit better

896
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: than Sitcas in my opinion, and and and kind of

897
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: by fact, if if you ask me and and and

898
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I also who you I think makes one of the

899
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: better white tail deer hunting systems out there, even though

900
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: he focuses on mount hunting. I think his gear is

901
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: very very good for white tail deer hunting. But it's

902
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's not bringing anything cotton it's bringing wool

903
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: socks and wool underwear, and wool t shirts and wool undergarments,

904
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: wool middle garments, bringing a down series so that you

905
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: can insulate, and then bringing a nice outer series, and

906
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: then and then rain gear. And it's these systems that

907
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: allow you to adapt from you know, you kind of

908
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: have to. You know, the marino next to your skin

909
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: is pulling all your moisture way, and it's getting all

910
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: that stuff away from your skin so your body can

911
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: still thermal regulate. The down is basically like you know,

912
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: it's almost like you're hiking sleeping that you eat that

913
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: in your bag. You use it almost like a mobile

914
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: sleeping bag when you're sitting glassing or you get caught

915
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: a storm. And then your rain gear. It's basically like

916
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: your mobile tent. You know, you have your tent back

917
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: down on the mountain or in the ravine when you're

918
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: climbing or whatever. You get kind a storm, you put

919
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 1: your rain gear on. And I've been caught. I got caught.

920
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: I just wrote about it, but I got caught several

921
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: years ago in the Chugats Mountains. Body of mine and

922
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: I we killed the big doll sheep and we wanted

923
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: to do it in kind of two trips and just

924
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: enjoy the days of hiking. So one day we hiked

925
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: all the meat, the cape and the horns out and

926
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: the day that we hiked it all out of the

927
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: seventies some degrees and Sonny was beautiful. We both were

928
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: really light tanks, really light fleeces. But the next day

929
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: we had to go in and a storm was bruined

930
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: and some other sheep hunters even stopped us at the

931
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: trail and they said, hey, where are your head and

932
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: we told them and they said, man, it's a blizzard

933
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: going on right there, right now. And we looked we

934
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: could see the path that we needed to head to,

935
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: and we saw it looked a little stormy. We're like,

936
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: it didn't look bad. Well. We both almost lost our

937
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: lives that day because we're wearing the wrong gear. If

938
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: we had the right gear in our packs, if we

939
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: had the right gear on us, it would have been

940
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: just a cold, miserable day. But you know, that's where

941
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: the mental fortitude comes in. The mental fortitude comes in

942
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: when you're safe and you're somewhat comfortable, and you can

943
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: keep pushing the stupidity and the arians that we went

944
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: through that day. You know, we almost lost our lives

945
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: because we thought, you know, we were tough enough that

946
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: we didn't need that extra gear. We would just muscle

947
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: through it and get to the tent. And I was

948
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: really bad, yike, you know What's I to a much

949
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: lesser degree, but I've definitely dealt with these types of

950
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: gear decisions on different backpacking trips in the mountains and

951
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: things like that, And it's such a tough It's a

952
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 1: fine line you have to walk right between making sure

953
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: you have the right gear but also maybe not weighing

954
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: yourself down in different ways. It's always that choice, um,

955
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: And then lots of times you don't ever learn that

956
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: less until you learned the hard way. So but I

957
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right, Absolutely you're you're right. But you

958
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: can you can bring the right system. Um. You know,

959
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: I could talk about this until I'm blow in the face.

960
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: You can bring the right system and have a very

961
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: very light backpack. This last November, I spent a month

962
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: on Kodiak Island bull hunting brown bears and Sitka blacktailed deer,

963
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: and I basically packed as though I was going on

964
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: in August sheep hunt, and I was completely fine, and

965
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: we were in anybody who knows anything about Kodiak Island,

966
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: it is even when it's nice out, the humidity is

967
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: really high, soool, it's just zapping the energy from your body.

968
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, the gear that I had this

969
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: very light, very easy to carry, but I was toasty,

970
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: warm and safe and all elements from blizzard to you know,

971
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: full on you know, winter storm and it was pretty crazy. Wow.

972
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's great that the gear now has advanced

973
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: how much over the last five to ten years, to

974
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: the point where now people are talking about this having

975
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: a good layering system, you know, as you mentioned, and

976
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: for me this a gagearling layering system has been awesome

977
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: and it sounds like cool you has a great system,

978
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: and others are coming out too. So it's nice to

979
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: see that the hunting industry is is picking this up

980
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: and you know, applying the technologies that used to be

981
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: just in the mountain world now to the hunting world.

982
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: So it's it's good to see that. But absolutely related

983
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: to what you just mentioned, you know, Kodiak Island hunting

984
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: spots like that are Alaska, different areas in Alaska. For

985
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: an audience here, that's listening today that's mostly white tail hunters.

986
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: I imagine you would recommend or I guess my question is,

987
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: would you recommend to these white tail hunters to ever

988
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: try to go out west or up north on one

989
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: of these mountain hunts? And if so, you know, what's

990
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: your pitch? What's your pitch to a white tail hunter?

991
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: Or try something new out in a different, bigger woolrior wilderness. Um, it's,

992
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: first of all, it's a must, I mean a must.

993
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: It's not even should you or shouldn't you? And I

994
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: and I have a dear friend of mine that I

995
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: hunt deer with and he has only ever hunted white

996
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: tail deer. He has zero interest in hunt anything else.

997
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: I try to talk him into it all the time

998
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: and he has never budged. But in my opinion, it's

999
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: an absolute moss that you need to at least branch

1000
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: out and go hunt cariboo or and not mule there.

1001
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about going on a mule there on.

1002
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: That's that's I mean, it's definitely different, but it's still

1003
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: too similar in my eyes. Um, you know, maybe a

1004
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: high country amount mule there hunt something like that, but

1005
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: going out and doing a caribou hunt or an Elk

1006
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: on something like that, I think is it's just really

1007
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: going to broaden your horizons. You know, there's there's all

1008
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: these scoring organizations, and there's and category organizations like the

1009
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Super Slam, and they have you know, the Super Slam,

1010
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: and they have the Grand Slam of sheet, they have

1011
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: the Super excuse me, the Super Ten. All these organizations

1012
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: and all some guys think and maybe sometimes some hunters

1013
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: approach it as a checklist and they just go around

1014
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: and and other hunters see this and they say, I

1015
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: don't want to be a checklist hunter. But the way

1016
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: I look at these groups, the Super Slam, the Grand Slam,

1017
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: the Super Ten, because these organizations kind of force you

1018
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: into going on different hunts, learning about different animals, seeing

1019
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: different habitats, and going through completely different experiences. You know,

1020
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: for a white tail hunter to go hunt moose or

1021
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: to go hunt black bears or um, you know, Rocky

1022
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Mountain Elk, something like that, it's completely out of their

1023
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: comfort zone. It's a whole new set of skills. You're

1024
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: seeing a whole new group of animals, and you can't

1025
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: you can't sit in your chair at home and say

1026
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: I never I never really want to hunt an elk.

1027
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, I never really want to do I never

1028
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: really want to hunt a caribou. You have to go

1029
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: there and see these animals and experience the hunt, experience

1030
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: the mountains, experienced the mornings and the evenings and the calls,

1031
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: and you have to experience it all. Then once you're

1032
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: an area, maybe it's still not your cup of tea,

1033
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: but I would venture, I would venture a guest that

1034
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: you'd get pretty addicted. Yeah, yeah, I just experienced a

1035
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: little this to myself last year when I went on

1036
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: my first Eltcome and uh, to your point, it's something

1037
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: that you really don't know until you try it. And

1038
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I did because or maybe I'm not glad,

1039
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: but because I know I'm gonna be running out there

1040
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: every September now to the mountains and spending money to

1041
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: go on these trips. But it's it's incredible, amazing experience.

1042
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: And I know, Dan, you're you're gonna try some different

1043
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: type of hunting this fall too, for Meal. They're so

1044
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm excited excited for you on that front too. Oh yeah,

1045
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm I just put my vacation days in today at

1046
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: work and although it's uh, although it's gonna be flat land.

1047
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: The area that I'm hunting has no trees in it.

1048
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: It's in the sand hills, so it's gonna be spotting stock.

1049
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: And I'm expecting to fail. But um, you know, the

1050
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: next year or the next time I go out there,

1051
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: I'll be uh more educated on on what I need

1052
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: to do to be to be better, for sure, So

1053
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll be successful. You'll be successful. Just go slow, man,

1054
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: Just go slow. Bed those guys down and go slow

1055
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: and quiet, Just slow and quiet, and you'll you'd be amazing.

1056
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: Get into eight nineteen yards on those guys, don't don't

1057
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: worry about it. Just go slow and be quiet. That's uh.

1058
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: That seems to be the consistent theme for for what

1059
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from the other people that I've asked as well.

1060
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: So I'm pumped, man, and I can't wait. I'm excited

1061
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: for you to It's important. I really think. Um, like

1062
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: you said you want alcoming last year night, you want

1063
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: to go every year. I just if you're a hunter,

1064
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: I think you owe it to yourself. You don't owe

1065
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: it to anyone else. You don't own it to open

1066
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: young or blood and crocket or a grand slam or

1067
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: anyone else. You don't owe it to anyone. But I

1068
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: think it'd be a travesty if you went through your

1069
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: entire career of hunting and not not experiencing the mountains

1070
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: or not experiencing the other wildlife. I just I think

1071
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: there'd be a travesty. So, so, Donnie, for someone who's

1072
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: listening right now, and you have given them the kick

1073
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: in the butt, they need to head out west, or

1074
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: head to the mountains, or head to Alaska wherever it

1075
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: might be, and chase something different. For that white tail hunter,

1076
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: what is your if you could give them one single

1077
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: piece of advice to leave them with here today to

1078
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: go on the new adventure, what would it be? Oh? Man? Um, well,

1079
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: everything is possible, right, you can you can do UM.

1080
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: You know, you have to be honest with yourself and

1081
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: what you're capable of doing. And you have to be

1082
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: honest with yourself what your budget is. Of course, UM,

1083
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: we're all limited by budget. We're all limited by what

1084
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: we could do. UM. And so you know, obviously you

1085
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: can put your mind to it, you can do anything.

1086
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: But if you you know, really find out where your

1087
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: interests lie and find out what you want to do.

1088
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: Do you want to go on a guided hunt? You

1089
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: want to do something self guided if you're looking for,

1090
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: like if I was going to coach somebody into going

1091
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: on their first big adventure, they want to do something

1092
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: on their own. There are a few books that you

1093
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: can read, um, you know, entitled things like hunt Alaska

1094
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: on your own. Uh, you know, Haunt Alaska now on

1095
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: your own. There's there's a few books out there that

1096
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: kind of lay everything out. And and now that's how

1097
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: I started hunting because I couldn't afford guided hunts at

1098
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: all when I first started going to Alaska, which was

1099
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: my freshman year of college, and so I started going

1100
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: on a self kind of caribou hunts. So I did

1101
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: as much research as I could. I got the best

1102
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: backpacking equipment that I could afford at the time, and

1103
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: I just slowly started building up, building up all my

1104
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: gear and and then bettering my gear. But I would

1105
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: literally fly up to the Arctic Circle in Alaska. I

1106
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: have a pilot, fly me out there and drop me

1107
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: off all by myself, and I get after it. But

1108
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, I just did my research. I prepared myself

1109
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: with the best gear I could, and I kind of

1110
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: went out and now if you have a few extra

1111
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: dollars in the bank and you can do this guided,

1112
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: I think that's even better. Um. But yeah, I think

1113
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: a first step for a lot of guys would be,

1114
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, a western black bear hunt, on elk hunt,

1115
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: on a caribou hunt up nor something like that would

1116
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: be you know, the first kind of baby steps. But

1117
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: you can definitely can do this stuff. You definitely can

1118
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: do it. You can do it on your own. It

1119
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: sounds really scary maybe at first, but um, there's a

1120
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: lot of information out there and if you and if

1121
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: you're smart about it, something that's definitely attainable. Great great

1122
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: words of advice, I think, um a lot of it.

1123
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's just you know, finally believing that

1124
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: you can do it, making that decision and then putting

1125
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: in all of the work and preparation to make sure

1126
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: that you take advantage of that opportunity as best as possible.

1127
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: And that's all you can do. So I love it. Now. Now, Dan,

1128
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: we're getting close here on time here, but do you

1129
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: have any final question for Donning before we wrap things up.

1130
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds to me like you've hunted a

1131
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: lot of animals you've had a ton of experiences, um,

1132
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: more than the typical, you know, more than myself, who

1133
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: I've only hunted turkey and white tails. That's all I've

1134
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: hunted in my entire life. And I'm now starting to

1135
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: branch out into other you know, other hunts and whatnot.

1136
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 1: But and we know that not all game is the same.

1137
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: You have to take different strategies to hunt different animals

1138
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: in different locations. But is there a common strategy thread

1139
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: or some kind of tactic that can can go to

1140
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: hunting all wild game? Yoh, yes, absolutely, um. And and

1141
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: it's it's and I'll say this, it's it's first of all,

1142
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: it's going to where you know the animals are right.

1143
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: So many people, Um, I used to I used to

1144
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: goose hunt with a guy that never set up his

1145
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: decoys and fields where geese would land, and he never

1146
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: killed geese in occasionally was good hung with that just

1147
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: to here's a nice guy and he's super nice. Whenever

1148
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: I want to kill geese, the first thing I did

1149
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: is leave that guy behind. And it's kind of the

1150
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: same thing. If you want to kill a big meal there,

1151
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: you have to go to where they live and you

1152
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: have to find the animals. You have to find the

1153
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: habit to have find the animals. But number one, um,

1154
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, kind of how we go about everything is

1155
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: to stay back, find the very best habitat stay back,

1156
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: you let your binoculars in your spotting scope tell you

1157
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: a story. Don't burn your calorie spreading your scent all

1158
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: over the place and burning your calories up. The same

1159
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: thing with white tiling, right, we use trail cameras. You know,

1160
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: you don't go out to your white soul property tonight

1161
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: and walk every square inch it and be like, yeah,

1162
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: I didn't even see a deer. I didn't even I

1163
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: saw a much of deer time, but I didn't even

1164
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: see a deer. Yeah, buddy, because they're all long gone.

1165
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing. It's using your glass from afar.

1166
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: Let the animals tell you the story. Wastch them even

1167
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: for like one of my very favorite things to do,

1168
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: if I'm on a sheep hunt or a bear hunt

1169
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: or something like that, I love to get there two

1170
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: or three days before the season, find the animal that

1171
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: I really want to focus on, and hunt because that

1172
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: usually seems what happened. What happens to me is I've

1173
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: picked an animal and that's when I go after and

1174
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: try to pattern of same thing with white cells. Like

1175
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, the trail cameras become arcanoculars if you want.

1176
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: There are a few places like the Milk River and

1177
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: a few other places where you can sit back and

1178
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: glass to bean field and start watching trails and things

1179
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: like that. But stay out of there. Hunt small, aren't

1180
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: be quiet and um, and I think you know you'll

1181
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: start to find a lot of success. It's um. It's

1182
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: when I first started doing spot in stock with mule deer.

1183
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: I tried to make the stock as fast as possible

1184
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: because I was so worried that they were gonna leave,

1185
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: that they were going to move. And when I started

1186
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: slowing down, I couldn't believe even where areas where there

1187
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: was very little cover, I could not believe how close

1188
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: I could get to these deer by just moving when

1189
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: they weren't looking, and just taking my time. And I

1190
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: I arrowed a stone sheep several years ago in BC,

1191
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: and it took me about eleven hours to get in

1192
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: the position on the stone sheep, and I basically belly crawled,

1193
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: either on my belly or slightly on my back, crawled

1194
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: in the position and I ended up arrowing this stone

1195
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: sheep at forty nine yards down in the alders at

1196
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: the bottom of the mountain, and it took me forever

1197
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: to get there, but I knew if I just took

1198
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: my time, I could get into those alders with him,

1199
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: pick my spot and kill and and that's what happened.

1200
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: And and I just think, if you stay back, use

1201
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: your glasses, and then when you go in, you going smart,

1202
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: slow and quiet um, you can really you can really

1203
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: become a really good predator if you if you follow

1204
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: those steps. I think I'll tell you what I think

1205
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of listeners right now who have

1206
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: got a sore hand because of how many notes they're

1207
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: taking from this conversation. Donnie, You've given some incredible advice,

1208
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: some awesome stories, and I can honestly say that of

1209
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: all of our podcast interviews we've done, this is probably

1210
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: my favorite, and we're very close to it. This is

1211
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: this has been great. So thanks, I appreciate it. Yeah,

1212
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: thank you. And you know, for everyone out there listening,

1213
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, first off, you know, what should they be

1214
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing from you in the coming months

1215
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: or year maybe, And then where can they see this stuff?

1216
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: And what should where this should go to get more information? Yeah, absolutely,

1217
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: you can. You can see you can purchase The River's

1218
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: Divine right now on Donnie Vincent dot com. Um, we

1219
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: have a film right now that's out in TV and

1220
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: cruising through the theaters called Terra Nova Three Days on

1221
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: the Islands Hunt where we hunt for woodland caribou. It's

1222
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: really fantastic film. Um. We're just wrapping up a film

1223
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: right now on an Arctic grizzly bear hunt that we did,

1224
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: um two years ago. And uh and then after that

1225
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: we have Adult Sheep one coming out entitled Tope, and

1226
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: so those will be coming out, will be on TV,

1227
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: they'll be touring in theaters, and they'll and they'll eventually

1228
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: turn into DVDs that will be for sale on dying

1229
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: this and dot com. But we're on Facebook and all

1230
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: the normal places. I don't I don't live a virtual

1231
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: life that much, but the guys that I work with

1232
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: do that stuff. So um. But yeah, well we're just

1233
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: gonna keep filming, We're gonna keep telling stories, We're gonna

1234
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: keep pushing the envelope and and uh, yeah, there's there's

1235
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: a lot of really cool work coming down for our listeners.

1236
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: For our listeners out there, what are what TV station?

1237
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: Per se are are your show is going to be

1238
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: on right now? They air on a Sportsman's channel. A

1239
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: lot of guys look on there and they look for

1240
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: upside of the TV show where not a TV show.

1241
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: They just play our films as feature presentations, usually on

1242
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, a Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, something

1243
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: like that at seven pm, and they'll they'll just air

1244
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: them as one off shows. So you're not gonna be

1245
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: able to find a quote unquote TV show on there.

1246
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: But as we finished films, we give them the Sportsman's

1247
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: channel and those guys air them and and then like

1248
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: I said, they also tour in theaters and there's also

1249
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: some other stuff that are that's coming up. But yeah,

1250
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: that's apologizes to thank you for that. But yes, it's

1251
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: on the Sportsman's channel right now. Okay, perfect. Well, I

1252
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: hope you keep doing this for a long time, Donne,

1253
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: because you're doing some great work and you're telling some

1254
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: damn good stories and I enjoy them, and I know

1255
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: many many other people are, so thank you again for

1256
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: joining us. This has been absolutely terrific, no worries, and

1257
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys have and I know you

1258
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of really cool people who take from

1259
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm humbled that you could kind of to

1260
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: talk to me, so I appreciate it. Thank you. You

1261
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: are very welcome. Hopefully we can chat with you against soon. Dannie,

1262
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: all right, you guys have a great day. Thank you.

1263
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, that is going to wrap things up

1264
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: for us here on the Weird Hunt podcast. And I

1265
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed that conversation with Donnie as much as

1266
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: I did. I thought he just had some really great

1267
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: thoughts and advice to share and I probably could have

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Speaker 1: you couldn't do that. But like I mentioned, I would

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Speaker 1: love to have him on the show again, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: you guys with too. That said, as always, if you

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Speaker 1: did enjoy the show, we would really appreciate if you

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Speaker 1: could leave a rating or review on iTunes. It takes

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Speaker 1: a quick second, but it really helps us out, so

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Speaker 1: thank you in advance for doing that if you can.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of thanks, we also like to thank our excellent

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Speaker 1: to Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear, Archery, Redneck Blinds, Carbon

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Speaker 1: Express Arrows, Lacrosse Boots, Big and J. Longridge Attractants, and

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. Also be sure

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Speaker 1: to visit wird hunt dot com slash episode eighteen to

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Speaker 1: view the show notes from today's episode, and that's what

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Speaker 1: will include links such as links to Donnie's films, his website,

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Speaker 1: Facebook page, and things along those lines. Finally, thank you

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Speaker 1: to you, Thank you weird Hunt Nation for everything you

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Speaker 1: do and for taking the time to join us. Until

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Speaker 1: next time, have a great week, and as always, stay

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Speaker 1: weired Hunt.