WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Lost Cosmonauts 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.160 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by a transmitter 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.840 position on the dark side of the Moon. Instead is 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.160 supported by the generous contributions of people like you, our 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:13.760 listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:30.080 to learn more Thinking Sideways. I don't stories of things 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:35.320 we simply don't know the answer too. Hey guys, welcome 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:40.239 again to Thinking Sideways. I am, of course Steve, joined 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:44.120 as always by Joe Devin, and this week we have 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.760 yet another mystery. This week we're going to talk about 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.280 what I would call a conspiracy theory, and that is 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.600 the Lost Cosmonauts. This, of course was a suggestion from 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.480 It was on Facebook by Tom. Yeah. Tom sent that. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.880 In most of your ago, we've had other people Yeah yeah. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.640 I think Tom was the first one that cover Oh yeah, 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.080 I'll add you to the list and then forget something. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.319 But I know that we got a bunch of them 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.480 on this one. So the Lost Cosmonauts, also referred to 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.720 as the Phantom Cosmonauts is as I said, I call 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.200 it a conspiracy theory. I find it really interesting because 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.840 there's so many claims and then the counterclaims and it 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.800 just turns into kind of a crazy big ball. I 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.120 get white people are into it and can be a 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.880 little weirded out by it because you know, put yourself 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.840 in somebody's situation in space that isn't gonna make it 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.240 home that and yeah, actually, and there actually are documented 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:51.600 and people not making it home, so yes, yeah, but 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.680 they are probably not the ones that we're going to 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.160 talk of. That. So to start with, I need to 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.320 preface what we're going to go through because this story 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.800 deals with information that comes out of the Soviet Union 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.640 in the fifties and the sixties. We don't know how 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.480 much of it is actually going to be true because 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.239 they weren't very forthcoming. They censored a lot of information. 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.080 Still aren't very forthcoming. Yeah, and with the fall of 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.720 the Soviet Union, we you know, people found in shared records, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.480 so we have information on a bunch of things cleared up. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.799 But there are some things that we still don't know. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.959 So I don't know if the people were going to 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.560 talk about a really existed or not, and b if 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.000 they really did die in a space program, and see 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.480 if they died on the ground or in the air. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.760 Just don't know, but we weren't talking about Nonetheless, I 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.640 think there were a few people in the Soviet space 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.720 program who died on the ground. We had not died 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.280 on the ground too, though, so it's not unusual. You're 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.760 playing with big, scary, dangerous toys like rockets and stuff. Yeah, yeah, science. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.919 Science is not always uh, bunnies and rabbits. Bunnies and rabbits, No, 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.520 it's but it's the thing. I'm ferries and gods. Literally, 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.960 no idea what you're trying to All squishy and nice 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.960 and fuzzy and safe, That's what I'm going for. Yes, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.360 thank you. See, this is why we have the smart one, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.040 because I know what girls are made of. Yeah, you're right, 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.200 that's why you have me around. All right. Well, let's uh, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.880 let's go through the story here. We've got a huge 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:35.280 laundry list of supposed incidents that happened in the Soviet Union, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.600 So we've got a huge laundry list of people to 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.320 get into. So we should probably start with the stories 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.400 of all these different people. We're gonna do this in 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.600 sort of chronological order because that's the way I like 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.200 to do it, because I'm easily confused. First off, between 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.960 the years nineteen fifty seven and nineteen fifty nine, three 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.320 cosmonauts are said to have been killed in individual attempts 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:03.960 to reach space, so one each year fifty nine, and 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.840 we don't know if that really happened or not because 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:12.000 of the source. But according to the lore, these three 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.080 people died in the Soviet space program trying to get 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:20.720 to space. The names of these people are and I 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.200 apologize my Russian is not good. I'm going to do 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.520 my very best with these. I've sounded them out a 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.000 dozen times. Hooked on phonics work for me, so we're 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:33.080 gonna go for it. We have Alexei lit of Ascik, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:38.760 Sergei Sheborin, and Andre mit Coff. Those are the three men. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.640 There is a report of potentially a fourth person that 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.320 died in those years, and that is a woman by 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:51.960 the name of Maria Gromov. But again we have one 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.719 source for this, and that is a quote unquote high 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:01.279 ranking check communist who isn't identified, so that sounds reliable. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.440 Those are our first ones. Next up, we have three 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.520 people in nineteen fifty nine, so this is a separate 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.880 from the ones that I just talked about. In the 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.760 year nineteen fifty nine, three different people killed in a 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.080 botched attempt to get into space. Their names are Peter Dolgov, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:23.240 Ivan Kutcher, and Alexei Gruchov. And then we're gonna move forward. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.279 There's the whole on your list. I told you guys, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.280 there's a bunch of names here. Write them down. There's 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:33.039 gonna be quiz later. Yeah, spell him, spell him correctly. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:38.599 There's extra points. No googling though. Uh we uh. We 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:43.359 have our good friend Robert Heinlein. Yes, the author Robert Heinlein, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.400 who says that on the fifteenth of May nineteen sixty, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:53.000 while he was traveling through the Soviet Republic, think you 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.360 I think you're right. Yeah he uh. He said that 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.400 he was told by soldiers that they Soviets put a 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.920 man into space that day. Officials, of course, immediately denied 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.960 this as soon as he went up to somebody who 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.680 actually was of rank and file. Oh no, no, no, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.359 that didn't happen. Don't know what they're talking about. But 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.040 he wrote about it, and he's shared that story, so 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.640 we have it out there. If what I just went through, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.839 these seven people plus hind line, if that was all 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.440 that there was to this story, it would have died 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.400 on the vine years ago. There's not enough here to 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.960 give it legs. Some people who there's some people who 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.040 did give it legs. Oh yeah, and they're the brothers 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.560 that were about to talk about the We've got a 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.800 pair of Italian brothers by the name of Giovanni Batista 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:48.080 and our shield Judica Cordelia. Hopefully I pronounced their names right, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.960 but that's okay. These guys were in the late nineteen 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.800 fifties and then through the sixties what I would say 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.520 kind of your difficult space nerds at the time, amateur 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.600 radio and orge more like. Yeah, they got into that. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.080 They started out just being into radio because I think 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.120 their mothers scored a bunch of surplus military radio gear 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.600 and they cobbled everything that they ever had together. I mean, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.720 they had a real ramshackle set up, kind of made 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:19.360 their antennas out of whatever they could, and they started 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.040 listening to everything that was broadcast between the Soviets and 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.280 the Americans in the space race. Yeah, they the Sobats 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.960 actually published, they publicized what frequency they were going to 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.560 be communicating on that. What's interesting not all of their 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.360 frequency bluets, some of it, Yeah, they did, The Americans 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.800 did too all that. What's what's interesting is their choice 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.640 of frequencies is they're actually kind of crowded, a crowded 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.040 band of the radio, the radio dial. So why they 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.880 chose that, I don't know that. I didn't research that part. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:56.240 So the brothers they've made that made quite a few 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.440 claims of things that they picked up over the airwaves. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.240 And then I believe it wasn't just sim I think 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.520 they had people, They had friends, and we had people 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.400 helping people. That was the name of their their base 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.000 that they called it. I can't remember. Well, they had 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:14.960 a base of operations and people would come and go 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.160 and hang out and gather during known launches and they 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.920 would listen and they would record. Well, there's some very 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.400 notable ones that they recorded. And I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.440 go through this bullet point style so I know Devin 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:33.800 like this. Oh yeah, May sixty a manned spacecraft reports 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:38.720 it's going off course. November nineteen sixty A faint s 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.959 O S Morse code signal is sent from a spacecraft 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:47.640 leaving Earth's orbits. And these guys say they confirmed that 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:52.160 because they could say they did the calculations to figure 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.480 out that it was leaving our orbit and drifting away. Apparently, 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.920 what it is is the way they calculated the lad 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.880 these objects is yeah, they would use the Doppler effects. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.319 So since those these things in lower lower thor and 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.120 they're traveling pretty fast, they went by a fast overhead, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.280 so you get the radio signal gets compressed when it's 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.240 headed towards you, and as soon as it passes directly 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.800 over you, then it starts stretching out again. But they 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.440 were they were self taught. I mean, they figured this out. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.280 So there I would say that maybe their calculations weren't 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.319 exactly perfect, but yeah, so they so they claimed that 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.240 since this SLS signal was getting weaker and since but 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.400 since there was no Doppler effect, that's why they that's 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.320 why they believe it was not zipping by across across 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:42.240 the sky's overhead. Yeah, that's absolutely right. February one, A 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.400 cosmonaut is, uh, this is audio is recorded suffocating to 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.600 death and this is not something that we do often, 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.480 but the audio is available on the internet and we're 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.920 going to use a little bit of it. So first, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.600 what we're gonna hear is we're going to hear the 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:13.120 breathing of this supposed cause men on. And now we're 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:18.640 gonna listen to is the supposed heartbeat slowing down of 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:33.760 said cosmonaut. April nineteen six one, a capsule is recorded 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.719 orbiting the Earth three times before re entering the atmosphere. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.840 And you'll, if you are a fan of space history, 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.880 you're gonna note that's April one. This is several days 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:51.080 before Eureka Garon's historic flight to be the first human 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:57.800 in space. It was the twelve. So this the official 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.960 date on this, I believe they say is I've seen 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.200 in different places. I've seen it seventh. I've seen it 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.640 the ninth. I thought it was like five days, so 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.679 I think the seventh. Yeah, But it varies from place 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.600 to place, as a lot of this information does. May 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:19.280 nine sixty one, and orbiting spacecraft makes an appeal for 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.640 help before going out of control. And this is this 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:29.040 spacecraft is supposedly piloted by a woman. And this audio 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.600 is very several minutes long, but we're only gonna play 0:11:31.800 --> 0:12:00.640 about fifteen twenty seconds of it. October of nineteen sixty one, 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.480 a cosmonaut loses control of their spacecraft and it veers 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:10.080 off into deep space. November nineteen sixty two, a space 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.280 capsule misjudges its re entry and bounces off the Earth's 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.719 atmosphere and out into space. Can you do that? You 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.280 got an actual thing? You can bounce skip a stone 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.360 off the surface of the water. You can actually, if 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.360 you come in too shallow that angle, you can bounce 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.959 out the atmosphere. But you gotta be high up, great 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:37.040 and more things to fear. I didn't. I'm of other things. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:41.640 November of nineteen sixty three, if another female cosmonaut dies 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.560 during re entry, and nineteen sixty four April of that year, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.040 yet another cosmonaut is killed when their capsule burns up 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:56.040 in the atmosphere upon re entry. So that's a bunch 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.480 of things that they are claiming that they have made 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.480 recordings of. And we'll we'll go to some of this 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.120 in a little more depth later on, but I just 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.480 want to keep moving forward with the story as the 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:10.440 lost cosmonautor phantom cosmonauts story goes. So we're gonna move 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.560 to another guy that you might have heard about if 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.679 you've ever done any reading on this. And this is 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:20.240 a gentleman by the name of Vladimir Illusion And no um, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.199 I know I gave you a bunch of information and 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:23.880 now I'm drawing this way. I know, people hate it 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.200 when I do that important and this guy actually plays 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.880 into that April nineteen sixty one day that we were 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:35.440 just talking about that five days before Gagarin because everybody 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.760 thinks it was him. Because everybody thinks it was him. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.559 And let's talk about Vladimir because he was He was 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.160 a test pilot in the military and he had broken 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.959 at least one, but I think several altitude records, and 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.600 according to the lore, he loved that the glory that 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.560 it gave him. But he realized that these guys that 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.880 were going into the space program, we're gonna literally crush 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.360 his records. They were going to destroy um. So somehow 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.160 he gets himself into the space program. I think his 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.760 dad was well connected. Well, his dad was in some 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.079 ways well connected. He was an engineer of some kind, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.400 maybe in the space program or connected to the rocket programs. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.319 I think he actually designed military aircraft and built them. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.800 I can't remember exactly, but there is there is what 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.480 jet is named after him, I believe. Okay, Well, the 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.720 point is, according to the story, he either gets in 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.600 in the beginning of the cosmonaut program or he gets 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:35.000 in late and you know, manages to go through a 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.680 crash course, no pun intended of what it takes to 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.800 be a cosmonaut, and turns out to be the most 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.080 qualified guy to do the job, better than than your 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:50.440 gregarretttt excuse me, mispronounced his name. According to the theory, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:56.320 what then happens is Vladimir gets into the Vostok space 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:01.640 capsule on the seventh of April, was five days before Ggaran, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.280 like we were just talking about before, and he shot 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.160 into space and okay, well if that happened, then why 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.680 don't we know about Vladimir and who cares about Yuri? 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.920 Well that's because something reportedly went wrong with his space 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.800 capsule and mission control decided that they had to bring 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.520 him to Earth early. The thing to understand is that 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:30.640 in the Soviet program, mission control on Earth controlled everything 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.280 in terms of navigation. The cosmonaut wasn't in control of that. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.360 He was along for the ride. They probably didn't want 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.120 the cosmonaut like firing his retro's early and landing in 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:47.400 the US and probably yeah, yeah, then his uh by 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.280 bringing him down earlier then he didn't even complete a 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.600 single orbit. Correct, No, according to this story, he made 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.400 several orbits and they brought him home to Earth on 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.840 the third orbit, but because they had to bring him 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.320 down early because something went wrong. I guess he was 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.880 supposed to do five orbits. According to this story, they 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.360 had to bring him down and he landed in China, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.120 where he then stayed for a year as an honored 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.480 guest of the Chinese governments before then coming home to 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.480 Mother Russia and kind of just disappearing into the background. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:29.480 I wonder what they did the Waterdom. Yeah, if anybody's 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.480 ever heard the term honored guest, it's it's not actually 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:38.840 being an honored guest. It's a spy. So okay, you 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.720 sound confused. Yeah, I guess I'm just confused about why 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.000 they wouldn't why his name wouldn't have been the one 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.400 we all know. Then we're going to cover it up, Okay, 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.480 So we're going to talk about in just a minute, 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.440 actually how some of the censorship worked and the way 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:59.520 that the Soviet government went about censoring things, and that's 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.200 going to kind help us understand what happened of Ladimir. Okay. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.280 I know it's a little weird, al right, and this 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.919 whole thing, the story is very very difficult unless you 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.240 keep in mind, and I'll just preface it a little 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:16.320 bit that the Soviets operated on a system of only 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:21.960 talking about your successes if something could be possibly embarrassing, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.240 or it didn't go according to plan, it didn't happen, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.920 swept under the rug out, there were, there were cosmas, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.840 There was there was one cost, but not too was. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.879 He was cashiered from the program, and he was airbrushed 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.240 from the photographs of the cos The cosmon did a 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.080 lot of yeah, we're going to talk about him, so yeah, okay, 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.760 but that doesn't trust you. We're there, We're gonna come 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.600 back to it. So as anybody that knows space history knows, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:50.679 the one of July nine is when the Americans landed 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:55.040 on the moon and beat the Soviets to that destination 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:07.560 ce ce c okay. Well, according to the Lost Cosmos theory, 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.000 the Soviets didn't go down without a fight, and they 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.360 threw a lot of men at the problem to try 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.639 and get there first and killed several of them, kind 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.520 of like the Russians like, we can't do this, We'll 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.160 just throw a bunch of people at it. That's kind 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.560 of true. Hum. And they actually did have a couple 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.840 of accidents sixty nine. Yes, they did well. According to this. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.880 In the summer of sixty nine, there was an attempted 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.080 launch of a manned mission that of course failed, kills 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:43.000 everybody on board. You said, the summer of kind of 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:48.000 distract myself a little bit from the thing. Okay, it 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.919 appears that that that launch wasn't the only one that 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.960 the USSR was trying to put up. They made one 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.040 blunder after another and made being a cosma one of 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.440 their most dangerous occupations. Would it kind of evidently was 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.199 because they had about a fifty success rating with some 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.280 of their rockets. Yeah, there's a lot of our rockets 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.879 blew up to so they did. They did, But I 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.080 think that, uh Court, we had a lot of unmanned 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.480 rockets that blew up more often than not, and we 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.639 you know, we went through extensive safety testing, and I 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.400 know that the Soviets were doing that, but I don't 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.400 know how much of that is reflected in our lore 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:30.240 that we're going through. They used a lot of animals, 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.280 that is very true. We used monkeys, and in our 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.679 Gemini program we didn't. There's that. I don't know if 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.040 you've read the right stuff by Tom Wolf No, I haven't. 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.600 There's kind of an amazing scene in there, you know 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.119 that the first launch with the monkey and the monkey 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.200 comes down. The monkey has been going through simulator training anyway, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:47.880 but when they opened up the caps so they thought 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.639 the monkey was going to be an hysterics. Instead, the 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.760 monkeys just sitting backstrapped to his chair with his arms 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.399 crossed across his chest, just looking board like has no 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.919 idea what. And then and then one of that one 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.320 it takes a lot had somebody hands him in an 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.440 apple and Lucky just like without even kind of look 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.400 at he just like reaches out with one hand and 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:11.640 takes the apple and starts eating. Kind of bored. That's awesome. 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:16.359 That's a pretty funny book. You should read it. Okay, well, 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:23.600 well let's go. That's that was the greatest. It was. Uh, 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.000 we have a lore here, that story here that says 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:32.640 in the Soyas Too, which was supposed to be an 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:37.159 unmanned test mission, actually was a manned mission and the 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:43.280 occupant of that capsule was Ivan Stotchnikov and his dog 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.880 Cloaka was a man and dog mission. Then yeah, yeah, totally. 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.360 And it's believed that they didn't come back and were 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.600 scrubbed out of history because they were hit by a 0:20:53.680 --> 0:21:00.560 passing meteorite and thrown off course. Yeah. Well, and yet 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.040 one more attempt to get to the Moon before the Americans, 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:11.560 we have the launch of Andre Mikoyan and another cosmonaut. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.120 They were supposed to go to the moon, but instead 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.280 they shot past their destination, which was the Moon, and 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:22.240 drifted off into space. And I really, really really want 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.439 to know if at least somebody was humming back to 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.760 the USSR. I really like this. The only thing I 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.320 can think about, how you managed to miss the Moon? 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.679 It's really big. Was it was the intent of that mission? 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.560 Do you know to actually land on the moon or 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.520 just orbit the Moon? A few times have come back. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.840 I don't know. I really I have no idea overall. 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:51.400 If if we follow the lore anywhere between eleven two 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:57.000 dozens of people were killed in the attempt to get 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.160 into space and then be to get to the Moon 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.280 by the Soviet Union and their government in their space program, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.720 entirely possible. I mean, because not just cosmonauts getting killed, 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.920 other people are getting killed in accidents. Bunch of people 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:13.000 get killed in accident. The reason that they're that people 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.600 really kind of believe this entire theory is as we 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.600 talked about earliers, all of the cover ups in the 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.120 censorship that went on. Yeah, I mean, they certainly brought 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:23.920 a lot of this on themselves. And even though they 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.600 angrily denied all these stories, you know, they accepted the 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.880 ones that really demonstratedly happened at sixty seven and sixty nine, 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.240 and they kind of brought it on themselves. Well they did. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.359 And it's and you know, people who lived through the 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.720 Cold War era just expected that from the Soviet Union. 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.000 Here's a funny story. I went over and saw my 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.639 grandmother today and I was talking to her, and she 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:47.240 asked me what we were, you know, what the show 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:48.600 was going to be. And so I was talking to 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.480 her about it, and I'm telling her. She goes, oh, no, 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.520 I can totally see the Soviets doing that. I mean, 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.840 I grew up in that time, I lived through that. 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.680 But that's just what I expect them to do, and 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.520 I see I did. It's just gave me a totally 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:07.040 different perspective of why this is such a popular, entrenched thing. Yeah, 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.639 because to me it seems silly. But I'm of a 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.240 different generation. Yeah, I mean, will we run into that 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:15.120 a lot? I mean, it does run into that, like 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:17.960 with when we talked about UVB somebody six. You know, 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:22.080 you run into that a lot because it's popular to say, like, well, 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:23.919 the Russians are doing all sorts of stuff. We have 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:28.640 no idea because like they are our nemesis. Americans there 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.720 were just told that those are the bad guys over there, 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.960 you know, And whether that's true or not is who knows. 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.639 But that's that's what we're told. And it's very easy 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:39.480 to just say, like, well, I don't know that it 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:43.920 sounds like something they might do it's nefarious, so probably probably, 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:45.960 even though like I don't, I don't know that that's 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.160 necessarily true. I mean at least to extent that we 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.160 we expected to have to be true. Yeah, let's let's 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.520 go through. I think I've got three different cases here 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.800 of things that were censored and scrub from the books, 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:05.040 like proved proved things with this with the fall of 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:09.320 the Soviet Union between and these documents came out I 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.080 think like an eighty nine or so, when documents started 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.080 really people started really pulling some of the stuff out 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.160 and finding out what happened. But the first one we're 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.720 going to talk about is what is referred to as 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:27.840 the Nodelin catastrophe. This happened on October nineteen sixty. The 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.359 Soviet Union had an ICBM that was being prepped for 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:35.400 a test flight, which is an intercontinental ballistic missile. It's 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.760 a big missile, goes from country to country with nuclear payload, 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:44.560 is the intention. Um, But this thing you used the 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:50.679 worst fuel ever it does. It's Devil's venom. Devil's venom 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.920 is really nasty stuff. It's made of hydrazine and nitric acid, 0:24:55.040 --> 0:25:01.080 which is obscenely corrosive. Really great for call being lift 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.640 and burn, but unfortunately the side effect is that when 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:09.159 it burns, it makes an amazingly toxic gas that just 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.600 instant killer. I mean, there's no getting around. You don't 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:16.040 hang around this stuff when it's burning. That seems fairly counterintuitive, like, Okay, 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.679 we're going to bomb these people over here, we're going 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:23.680 to ruin their lives, but at the same time we're 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:30.560 going to kill ourselves. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.520