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Speaker 1: we simply don't know the answer too. Hey guys, welcome

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Speaker 1: again to Thinking Sideways. I am, of course Steve, joined

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Speaker 1: as always by Joe Devin, and this week we have

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Speaker 1: yet another mystery. This week we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: what I would call a conspiracy theory, and that is

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Speaker 1: the Lost Cosmonauts. This, of course was a suggestion from

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Speaker 1: It was on Facebook by Tom. Yeah. Tom sent that.

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Speaker 1: In most of your ago, we've had other people Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think Tom was the first one that cover Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if the people were going to

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Speaker 1: Just don't know, but we weren't talking about Nonetheless, I

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Speaker 1: playing with big, scary, dangerous toys like rockets and stuff. Yeah, yeah, science.

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Speaker 1: same time. Not the intended plan. Very bad thing. No,

426
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't even see this. This the second stage, of course,

427
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: is sitting on top of the first stage, and so

428
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: when it lights off, the first stage it's not supposed

429
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: to be there anymore. Yeah, so it's a big explosion.

430
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: It was a massive explosion, depending on the sources that

431
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: you read, anywhere from a specific number of seventy one

432
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: to a round number of over two hundred. People were killed,

433
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: and sadly, the people that were right next to the

434
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: rocket died right away because of the explosion. Maybe not sadly,

435
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: maybe luckily, well lucky for them in the way that

436
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: they died. They were right there. They were incinerated instantly.

437
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: The poor guys who were farther distance away when the

438
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: rocket went off and ran evidently couldn't get out of

439
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: the complex that it was in. The fences were shut

440
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: and they died because of the gas, which is a

441
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: terrible way to go. But this whole thing was swept

442
00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: under the rug and officially, according to the records, Zellen died.

443
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: It'll plane crash. I mean. People tried to pick up

444
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: this story and they talked about the catastrophe several times

445
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: over decades, but it wasn't until all of the records

446
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: came out after the fall of the Union that we

447
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: found out what really happened. Yeah, so that's uh, yeah,

448
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: so that's why we don't necessarily take them at their

449
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: words for a lot of stuff. Yep. We have another one,

450
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: and this is actually a space program specific story. This

451
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: is of a cosmonaut by the name of Valentin Bondarenko.

452
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: Valentine was selected to be in the Cosmo program and

453
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: in he'd never make it into space though, because on

454
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: the twenty three of March sixty one, he was taking

455
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: part in an endurance test. It was a high altitude thing,

456
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: so they had him in a pressure chamber and he

457
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: was going to be in there, I think for a

458
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: total of fifteen days. The atmosphere was fifty plus oxygen.

459
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: He's doing his daily work. He's got monitors on him,

460
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, a little sticky things. He finishes his job

461
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: for the day. He takes off the monitors, but they

462
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: leave that goose. So he uses a cotton swab and

463
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: alcohol to wipe the goo off. But he's not very

464
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: careful of what he's doing. Instead of throwing that cotton

465
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: swab in the trash. It hits a hot plate that

466
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: he was using to make tea and insiden, I do

467
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: not disagree with you on this. The cotton swab goes

468
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: up in flames the because there's so much oxygen in

469
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: that environment, basically everything burns. It takes half an hour

470
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: to get the chamber open. By the time they get

471
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: it open, he's got thirty reburns over almost his entire body.

472
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: The only part of him that wasn't burned was his feet,

473
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: and that's because he's wearing boots. He dies sixteen hours later.

474
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of amazed that he wasn't already associated, but yeah,

475
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: that is. I was amazed that he lived his long

476
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: as he did. I don't I don't know how that happened,

477
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: but that failure was scrubbed from the books. And as

478
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: you talked about before air brushing of photos, Joe, he

479
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: was air brushed out. There are photos and you can

480
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: actually see the before and after where he's with six

481
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: or seven other guys, you know, arms around him, and

482
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: then the next version it's a blank wall and that

483
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: his arm is like they do good jobs of air

484
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: brushing these photos, but he's gone, completely gone. Yeah, yeah, Um,

485
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: the one that I think, the one that you were

486
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: talking about. The other one that was air brushed out

487
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: is our our next guy, which is Grigory Nil you

488
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: buff believe, Yeah, he and depending on the version, he

489
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: and possibly another cosmonaut candidate got drunk and got into

490
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: a fight with some soldiers and got kicked out of

491
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: the program. But we're air brushed out because they were

492
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: failures and they're the shame. Couldn't be on the space

493
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: program rush. Yes, And here's something else that I need

494
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: everybody to understand is that the space program in the

495
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: United States NASA is it's not a military organization, civilian organization.

496
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: In the Soviet Union, the entire thing was run by

497
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: the military, so therefore it had an extra layer of

498
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: secrecy lumped on top of it from the start before

499
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: they did anything else. So even yeah, and even we

500
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: didn't we were fairly open about our space program, but

501
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: we didn't tell him about every every improvement we made

502
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: in our gear rot. No. But we also didn't, you know,

503
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: airbrush people out of photo. We didn't censor it to

504
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: that level as far as you know, right, as far

505
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: as I know, I could be wrong. So that's that's

506
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: that's the proof or that's the evidence of why people

507
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: believe this story so much. But let's now and I

508
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: know some people like when I do this and some

509
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: people hate when I do this. But we're going to

510
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: start over. We're gonna start up again at the beginning

511
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: of the chronology that I gave and talk about some

512
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: of that. First one we're going to talk about is

513
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: the three individual launches and fifty nine that supposedly killed

514
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: three individuals. Again, that was something that came from a

515
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote high ranking Czech military officer. I discount that

516
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: right off the bat. There's no reliable source. That's the

517
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: that's the source every time, so I discount that. Yeah, this,

518
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: uh well, I'll talk more about this later. Yeah. Yeah,

519
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of things well, and there's there's some

520
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: blurring of facts and adding of them to different parts

521
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: of the story, which is actually the next one, because

522
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I told you that in nineteen fifty nine there was

523
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: three cosmonauts who were supposedly have killed Peter Dolgov, Ivan

524
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Cature Culture, Alexei Gratchov. Those three well, they actually did die.

525
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: They were not cosmic, They were involved in a capacity

526
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: in the space program. They were high altitude jumpers. They

527
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: parachuted from really high up and they were testing suits.

528
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: Well Peter specifically, he died when he jumped out of

529
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: a the balloon or whatever it was. I think they

530
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: were balloons and gondola and a gondola. Well he jumped

531
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: out his he hit the gondola and it cracked his

532
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: his visor and he de pressurized. And the other two

533
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: people who were also high altitude jumpers, they just disappear.

534
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: So it's presumed that they also had some kind of

535
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: accident in their high altitude jumps. But they are then

536
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: moved over into the story because the skies they didn't

537
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: disappear in nineteen fifty nine, it was like a year

538
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: or two later, so the timeframe is wrong. So that

539
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: I I but I believe that is where they actually

540
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: came from. And I will tell you the fourth person

541
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: that we talked about in that fifty nine story of Maria.

542
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: No idea who Maria is. I don't know where Maria

543
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: came from. Probably a fictional character. There's no source. Ever.

544
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: Um let's move now to nineteen sixty with Robert Heinlein. Well,

545
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: it turns out that what those uh, what those military

546
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: men told him they sent a man into space that

547
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: day might have actually been sort of true if you

548
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: know what the Soviets were doing. Yeah, they were right,

549
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: they were. They had a dummy who was very life like.

550
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: I've seen the pictures of him and it's amazing the

551
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 1: lengths they went to make it look really all. And

552
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: this dummy's name was Ivan Ivanovich, and Ivan is the

553
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: one that they stuck in these chambers and one of

554
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: the you know, because they would send him up with animals,

555
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: they pressurized the suit. They'd have animals in the suit

556
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: to see if the pressure held. They have tape recorders

557
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: playing in the suit so that the microphone in the

558
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: suit was broadcasting the whole time, to see if the

559
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: equipment worked when it went up and came back like

560
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: this is a huge test. One of the things that

561
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: they had to test literally the adjectors seat, because the

562
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: way that the Soviet program worked is the capsule comes down,

563
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: a parachute expands and slows it down, and then our

564
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: friendly cosmonaut gets out of it and parachutes down on

565
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: their own capsules so fast and yeah that they wouldn't

566
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: survive the impact. So that may abe what they were

567
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: testing that these guys saw that. They then told heindline

568
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: very likely that that's what was going Ivan Ivanovich, even Ivanovich,

569
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: he's creepy looking at Smith's. It's like John Johnson, right, yeah,

570
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: or Ivan however you want to say, I'm saying, I'm

571
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: googling it right now. The next stop in our timeline, Oh,

572
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: Devon's looking at the mannequin pictures. He's Creepy's so creepy,

573
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: it's very creepy. The next stop on our timeline dealt

574
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: with Vladimir and his supposed space flight. Yes, if you

575
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: look at the flight of Euriga Garon, you're gonna notice

576
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: something very significant, and that is the number of times

577
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: that he went around the Earth. According to the lore,

578
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: lad one three times and was supposed to go five. Yeah,

579
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: which is a little strange. Do you want to know

580
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: what else? So it's a fairly complicated thing to launch

581
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: a man in space, and launching two within five days

582
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: of one another. Not I was just gonna say, like,

583
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: I guess if you wanted to take that approach, you

584
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: could say, well, okay, so then the original plan was

585
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: to have your ego around five times. But since it

586
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: failed so catastrophically, before they knew they could do it once.

587
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: So they sent him up and did it once and

588
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: brought him back and everything was fine, right. I mean,

589
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: that's that is that is a train of thought that

590
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you can take. Yes, But my problem with Vladimir is

591
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: that it always says that he crashed to earth in

592
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: China in his capsule. Oh okay, now I didn't. There's

593
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: no way that he could have survived that impact. Absolutely not.

594
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: And the other thing. But those people can jumble things up.

595
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he crashed in and he successfully ejected and it

596
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: was captured. Well, but they say that there was something

597
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: wrong with him and then he was unconscious. That's why

598
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: they had the man they brought it home early. Is

599
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: that he was having some ill effects. Maybe he crashed

600
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: in the ocean, well, but no, according to this, he

601
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: crashed in China. China owns an ocean, well, they do,

602
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: they do. The The official story from the Soviet government

603
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: is that Vladimir was involved in a very severe car

604
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: accident and hurt his leg quite severely, to the tune

605
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: of being in the hospital for a year and then

606
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: a leg injury. I'm assuming that a car accident. You know,

607
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: cars didn't have breakaway zones probably crushed both of his legs,

608
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: and then they had him in the hospital for a year,

609
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: and then they sent him to China for rehab. Makes

610
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: lots of sense. It doesn't, really, But what also doesn't

611
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: make senses that if he really did crash land in

612
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: China and he was in his capsule, the Chinese from

613
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: a medical perspective were not all that advanced at that time,

614
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: and there is no way that they could have treated

615
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: a man who basically had every bone broken his body

616
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: from the advanced people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars

617
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: to get ancient Chinese secret here. I don't understand what

618
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: you mean. I can tell you that, actually it's pretty

619
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: clear where the Vladimir story came from. Was Vladimir was no, no,

620
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't him. It actually was a British communist. There

621
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: is a paper that was in Britain called the Daily Worker,

622
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: And evidently what happened is these guys heard that there

623
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: was going to be a launch and Vladimir was known

624
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: to be in the program according to this, and they

625
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: guessed of a the date and be who was going

626
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: to be in the rocket, and so on the eleventh

627
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: of April they put out a paper that said that

628
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: five days prior, Vladimir had gone up and was the

629
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: first man in space. And then on the twelve they

630
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: found out what really happened, and they put out another

631
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: paper on the twelve that said it was Gagarin who

632
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: was the first man in space. But because they put

633
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: that paper out, it's been latched onto and used as

634
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of fodder ever since. All right, we're gonna move forward.

635
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna talk about the the Italian brothers. So

636
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: first off, here's one problem with their recordings. Nobody else

637
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: recorded what they recorded. None of the other listening locations.

638
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: The Americans were listening, the Brits were listening, like the

639
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: French were listening. Somebody else should have picked up what

640
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: they had. And you know, okay, well maybe they got lucky,

641
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: but they have so many things that I just say

642
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: that there's too many things for them to have actually

643
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: been lucky to capture and nobody else has. And there

644
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: are things like, you know, the heartbeat. You know, the

645
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: heartbeat was the monitors that they put on astronauts to

646
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: monitor their their lifestigns don't go through the audio channels exactly.

647
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: It's not like they take a stethoscope to them and

648
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: then put a microphone up to the stethoscope. I don't know, Russia,

649
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: that might be the way they did it. Did you

650
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: ever hear that story about this early space program. It's

651
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: like the Americans realized that we're talking about the pen Yeah. Yeah,

652
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: so the Americans are realized that pens wouldn't work in

653
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: zero gravity, and so they spent like like millions of

654
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: dollars to develop this special pen that would work in

655
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: zero gs and the Russian geese pencil. Yeah, well no,

656
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: it actually turns out it's not that much smart because

657
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: the reason, yeah, that graphite dust actually like totally screws

658
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: all of the air filtering systems, So you have to

659
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: use a wax pencil. You really can't use the graphite pencil,

660
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: which is what the Soviets were using anyway. But yeah,

661
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: I know I did just read that and it's cute story. Yeah, yes,

662
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: So you don't know, it could have been a stethoscope.

663
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Maybe most likely it was sent back like telemetry, you know,

664
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: so I was converted to any of this audio of breathing. Yeah,

665
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: it's probably a dog exactly, because they killed a lot

666
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: of dogs in space, some of them came back, but

667
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: most of them didn't. Actually, I don't think any of

668
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: them came back, but maybe they all came back and

669
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: they all are living on that farm that all of

670
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: the dogs forever and ever. I believe, I actually do

671
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: think that some of the dogs came back. I mean

672
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: there was that famous one Laka was it laka or

673
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: like a like a like a yeah, yeah, like I

674
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: did come back. You're right. The other thing that people

675
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: have pointed out about their record rings is the language

676
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: that is used, and that it's wrong, like the woman

677
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: who was peril and dying, and the grammar is wrong.

678
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: The way that things are phrase don't match up. Because

679
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: remember we said that the space program was run by

680
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: the Soviet military. They have a very specific way that

681
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: you announce things. There's an order to it. These guys

682
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: are all trained in that system, and yet none of

683
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: these recordings match that there are people in in peril

684
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: like close to Maybe there was laps and discipline there, yeah,

685
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: may actually no. The Russian was really poor and it's

686
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: actually believed that they probably faked it. The woman, the

687
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: transmission of the woman that you were talking about that

688
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: we played. Some of the grammar is really bad. And

689
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: evidently these brothers, the Italian brothers, their sister was learning Russian,

690
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: according to their story, to help them translate. But about

691
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: that time she would have had oh, good enough grass

692
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: to speak some of the language, but not in good

693
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: enough grass to speak it properly. I don't know what

694
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: you want. They didn't have Google Translate. I'm saying that

695
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: it's probably there, probably made this stuff up. Well you

696
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: think about it, is too as the brothers were clever,

697
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: they were smart, you know, but obviously they either made

698
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: some stuff up or we're just completely bamboozled by somebody else, who,

699
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: by the way, knew what frequencies they were listening on, Like, yeah,

700
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: the one where they picked up the S O S

701
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: signal and then by by noting that it had no

702
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: it had no Doppler effect. Yeah, no Doppler effect. Then

703
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: they surmised that it wasn't whizzing by every head and

704
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: lower thorit but was but instead was heading directly away

705
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: from the earth. Now, the problem with that if it's

706
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: heading away from the earth, about the if it's achieved

707
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: escape velocities, it's still moving fast, so you're still got

708
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: to get a Doppler effect. Even if it's moving straight

709
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: from Earth. But also the Soviets didn't have unless it

710
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: was moving away in a geo secret synchronous position. I mean, yeah,

711
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: that's impossible. Yeah, so, I mean that's uh. And the

712
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Sobvieus didn't have the ability to They could achieve escape,

713
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: well ascity with a very lightweight object, but not with

714
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: with any kind of capsule, with a capsule. No, they

715
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: didn't have that ability until is when that technology came around. Yeah,

716
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: and so some of the other some of the other ones,

717
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: like somebody went out of control and and just flew

718
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: out of orbit. Well, I'm sorry, that doesn't happen. It

719
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. Uh. The what you need to and

720
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: I think that Joe, I think this is where you're heading,

721
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: is that their momentum away from the Earth is generated

722
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: by the rocket that they're writing. And then once that

723
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: rocket let's go there in orbit and slowly drifting back

724
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: to the planet. They don't have enough velocity to continue

725
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: to shoot away. They don't have that power at that time. Yeah,

726
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: they don't have the capability to do it. No, they don't.

727
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: They don't. I mean, and and the idea of like

728
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, there was another thing in here

729
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: about somebody lost something, they lost control and flew out

730
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: of ore, but bounce off the atmosphere. The other one

731
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: to bounce off the atmosphere and in the space, well,

732
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: it is possible to bounce off the atmosphere, but unless

733
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: the atmosphere just gives you a massive boost, you're not

734
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: gonna fly up in the space. You're just gonna go

735
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: one to a different orbit. And I'm actually probably get

736
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: to go back into the atmosphere and neither either burn

737
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: up or you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there is

738
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of problems with their stuff. Now there is

739
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: to add one feather to their cap. There is a

740
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes here senior engineer who is part

741
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: of who said he was part of the Soviet space program,

742
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: and in two thousand one he confirmed at the Brothers

743
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: recordings were real, all of them. I don't know which

744
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: ones doesn't It never says which one specifically, but says

745
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: that they actually caught stuff that was right. He was

746
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: a senior engineer, one of those guys. Okay, um, And

747
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: then let's just talk about these, uh, the moon landing

748
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: attempts that were supposed to have happened well, there was

749
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: a rocket test that did explode on a launch pad.

750
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: That does line up with the supposed nineteen summer of

751
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine loss of somebody in a capsule. Okay,

752
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: that that actually is, except it was an unmanned capsule.

753
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: The other one that I talked about, which is Ivan

754
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: Istanovic and his dog Cloaca, That seems really, really good

755
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: until you look at the fact that the rocket could

756
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: take a small payload with it, but nothing big enough

757
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: to hold the weight of a man and a dog

758
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: and a life support system. Yeah, they could have put

759
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: a small dog in there, maybe, but there was no

760
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: way that they could have done it. And oh wait,

761
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: it turns out the whole thing was a fraud. There

762
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: was an artist, I can't remember what kind of art

763
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: exhibits she called it, but her name is Joan font Cuberta,

764
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: and she made this art exhibit and she faked all

765
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: kinds of documentation that from the outside looks believable. So

766
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: of course the press ran with it until you actually

767
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: started reading it and you knew what you were talking about,

768
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: and then you discovered that it was utter and complete garbage.

769
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: It was it was full of holes, It was wrong

770
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: and what year was that she did her thing? Yeah,

771
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: there was actually some falsification going on before then too.

772
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so what she with this one of

773
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 1: the guy and his dog going to the space and

774
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: missing that, that's totally totally buggas that's good. That would

775
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: have felt bad for the dog. And finally the less Yeah,

776
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, the last thing I want to

777
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: talk about is the actual theories. Because we have gone

778
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: through all of the history, we should finally talk about

779
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: the theories, which are very easy. That's yes or no,

780
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a binary thing. Here totally has

781
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: a binary theory section. Okay, so our theories are yes,

782
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: it's real. And as we've talked about, there's was some

783
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: weird stuff with the Soviet space program and how they

784
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: scrub people out of the history books. And it's entirely

785
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: possible that there are people who we don't know about

786
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: because whoever was supposed to remove them did such a

787
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: good job that they scrub them out of everything and

788
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: we just don't know. And they could be as simple

789
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: as you know, having died in a simple training accident.

790
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: We will got drunk and thought someone yeah, yeah, and

791
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: you can see whether it be. I mean, because rockets

792
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: were kind of unreliable in those days, and frankly they

793
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: still are kind of soun I mean, they're more reliable

794
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: in the East to be, but but they still go wonking. Yeah,

795
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: you think what they want to keep the whole thing secret.

796
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: And then the mistakes early sixties they had a success

797
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: rate something like that. So I mean, that wasn't exactly

798
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: a job that I would want. Well, flip a coin,

799
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: you'll live and die. I don't want to do that

800
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: every day I think about I mean, when you think

801
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: about the like Apollo eleven, the first Moon mission. Okay,

802
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: you can die on the launch, or you can or

803
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: you can you know, wind up, some mishap happens like

804
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: with Apollo thirteen, and you all like suffocate and dive

805
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: into cold on the way to the moon. Uh number three.

806
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: Then you gotta land on the moon. You gotta get

807
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: an orbit around the moon and land on the Moon

808
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: successfully without crashing. And then and I played that game

809
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: moon Lander. It's harder than you. Yeah. And then when

810
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: you get back into your your moon Lander to take off,

811
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: you better pray you don't know for for a certainty

812
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: that that rockets going to fire off and get you

813
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: off the surface of the Moon and back to your craft.

814
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: And then you gotta get that craft back to Earth.

815
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: You gotta get that craft to the capsule disorbiting above

816
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: and then made up with that and then get it

817
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: back there. And so those guys, I mean the whole

818
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: way along. You know, that's just amazing that most of

819
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: those missions nothing really went wrong for the most part.

820
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say a thing that you see

821
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: on the internet a lot, but it's it's also amazing that,

822
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: like I carry a computer that's smarter than that in

823
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: my pocket every day, right like my phone, your phone's where.

824
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: They're all smarter than any of the computers that did

825
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: all of that stuff for the astronauts, mostly the astronauts

826
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 1: that did that stuff. And it's just I've actually talked

827
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: to a guy who had worked at NASA in the

828
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: sixties and it was the old card based system. You know,

829
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: you had the punch cards and that's how the computer worked.

830
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know how they did this, but he

831
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: told this great story of it didn't matter what sequence

832
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: you put them into the computer in because you know,

833
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: you put a bunch of cards in it once because

834
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: somehow they had set it up because people had accidents

835
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: that they would drop all of their stuff on the

836
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: ground and you know, the whole thing would be mixed up.

837
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: That didn't matter when you put it in, and somehow

838
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: is self sequenced it, which was amazing to me. He

839
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: tried to explain it, and he was talking to somebody

840
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: else and You're like, you're a NASA scientist, I literally

841
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: have no idea. Yeah I was. I was. I was,

842
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, I was eavesdropping and I was like, I

843
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: don't I'm not even I can't go there. I don't

844
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: know what's going on. But pretty clever. Yeah, it was

845
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: absolutely amazingly interesting. Yeah, I mean it is. It's incredible

846
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: to think about the amount of sophistication that chance. So

847
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't like thinking about it. Yeah. Well, here's the

848
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, is that the maybe this is

849
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: true side of the theories is besides the censorship, the

850
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: Soviet Union did some weird stuff that was outright lies

851
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: that was kind of I didn't understand why they did

852
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: it except for they decided somebody decided they had to.

853
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm talking about, which is covered up the

854
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: whole ejection thing. Well, yeah, because you know. I mean,

855
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: there's there's a conspiracy theory out there that we're not

856
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: getting into, which is that Garren never actually went into space.

857
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: We're ignoring that we never went to the moon. Yes,

858
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: we're ignoring that. But there is a group that in English,

859
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: the name is the International Air Sports Federation, and they

860
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: would record records for flights. Well, their guidelines to be

861
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: a successful space flight was that the person had to

862
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: be in their craft when it left the Earth went

863
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: into space, and be in it when it landed on Earth.

864
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: Because they're dealing with airplanes and if a guy bails

865
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: out of an airplane that means something went wrong with it,

866
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: Whereas the rocket program worked at a space program work differently.

867
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: But the point is, so it's just said, oh, yeah, no,

868
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: he totally landed. He totally landed in his capsule, so

869
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: it's it totally counts, and they got the record. It

870
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: wasn't until um six months later when the next guy

871
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: went up, whose name that I have suddenly forgot went

872
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: to to Well, when t Toof went up, he made

873
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: no bones about the fact that he had jumped. He

874
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: was he was just no, I totally jumped out of

875
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: that thing. Man there's no way. So that's a weird thing.

876
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: And they did it. They did it one or two

877
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: times with that, the AI f to get records and

878
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: it was really for the longest space travel I think

879
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: is what was his name again to yeah, he went

880
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: around Yeah, So he got the record of longest man

881
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: in space and they did the same thing with him,

882
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: except he was like total lie. But whatever, I don't care.

883
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: You're paying me the uh this is this is my

884
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: favorite part of the It's true though, is that one

885
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: of the sources that you will be given to prove

886
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: that this whole thing is real, is our good friend

887
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: Fidel Castro the most reliable. Yes, Because in there's a

888
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Arnaldo Mendez. He was the

889
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: first Cuban to go into space. He went into space

890
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: aboard the soyty eight. That year. Castro gives a speech

891
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: where he's talking about the joys of you know, their friend,

892
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union, and the fact that he had gone

893
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: to Gagarin's office, which was still maintained, and then he

894
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: had also been taken to another room that was called

895
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: the Hall of Martyrs for all of the people who

896
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: died in the space program. Trying to get into space,

897
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: except that I did a little digging and I found

898
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: that speech and I pulled it up and Castro says,

899
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: none of that. So I'm sorry, but that was actually

900
00:55:53,840 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: shoehorned in. But you will see that reference happen. Okay,

901
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: So we're gonna move on to the other half of

902
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: our binary theory, which is new didn't really happen, um,

903
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I fall on that side of

904
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: the theories. I think everybody's listened to us for the

905
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: last hour or whatever it is, knows that that's where

906
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm at. Here's my reason for it. The Soviet Union

907
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: announced the Garins flight and eminent landing on Earth thirty

908
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: minutes before he touched down. Eminent landing, what did I say? Yeah,

909
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, imminent, eminent potato tadda, um, yeah, I don't

910
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: know words. So come on, guys, I'm here for my

911
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: good looks, shiny bald head forever. Yeah, well, we'll see

912
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: what happens. Anyway. They announced his flight thirty minutes before

913
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna land. Okay. Now, if they've done all these

914
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: other attempts where they had gotten people into space and

915
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: then it's screwed. Up. Why did they choose this particular

916
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: flight to announce before it had successfully come down? Well, exactly,

917
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean, because they had plenty of successes Gagara and afterwards,

918
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: and yeah, but the guys who died before and he's

919
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what's that guy? Doesn't make sense? Yeah,

920
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: in the case of in the case of Gager, and

921
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: probably what happened with the whole newspaper story and the

922
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: Daily Worker is what they did as the Soviets, And

923
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: they had the pattern from the beginning of Boss Talk

924
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: and Gagarin was last talk one. They would leak official

925
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: word of maybe a week or so, a week or

926
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: two ahead of the actual launch, they would leak something

927
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: and so probably what they published was the leak, the

928
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: sort of leaked announcement of Gagarin's launching, and then of

929
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: course the official announcement was after the launch, then they

930
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: would officially announce it. They repeated that pattern again. Uh.

931
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Several months later, when they launched Caermon Tita into into orbit.

932
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: It was July twenty nine. A source in Moscow reported

933
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: the next man flight would be would be taking place

934
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, within a couple of weeks,

935
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: and that they would there would be a much longer play.

936
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: And then a week later t TOP was launched into space.

937
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: They officially announced it to orbit of the Earth sixteen

938
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: times and then came down. And so that was the

939
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: pattern all the way throughout their entire program. And obviously

940
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: they waited to announce it until after the launch because

941
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: rockets do blow up, so that's why they waited to

942
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: announce it. So if you want to believe in this

943
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: whole thing, what you have to believe is that there

944
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: was a successful public program which was announced ahead of time,

945
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: and in parallel with that, and rough at the same time,

946
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: there was a big fail program which was secret where

947
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: everybody died. Yeah, that's what It's almost as if they

948
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: had like three launches at a time planned, so if

949
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: one blew up, they just launched the next, and then

950
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: if that blew up, they launched the next, so they had,

951
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, they had a one in three chance of

952
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: getting a successful thing. To be honest, that like brings

953
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: me a little comfort because you know, my whole big

954
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: thing with my problem with thinking about people lost in space,

955
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: which is why I've been so quiet this episode is

956
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: um is because I always think, like, well, there's nothing

957
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: we could do for them. Like that thought terrifies me.

958
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: But hey, maybe the Russians actually just have like twenty

959
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: rockets at any given time where they're like that one

960
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: blew up, great, let's do this one next, next. So

961
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: maybe like maybe this fear is totally unfounded. Maybe they're

962
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: always ready to just like throw somebody into space real quick.

963
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that's comforting out, it is. Take it. Yeah, yeah,

964
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm gonna I'm gonna put the

965
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: final nail in the coffin of this thing. Um okay.

966
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: So in July nineteen two, guy named Frank Edwards published

967
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: an article in Fate magazine called those Lost Soviet Astronauts,

968
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: And prior to this, in the Vostok program, the Soviet's

969
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: actually had a and put a woman in space. They

970
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: had had. One of the assertions he made in the article,

971
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: and he made a lot of assertions in the article,

972
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: was that she was the first, not the first woman

973
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: in space, she was only the first woman who survived. Yeah,

974
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: he talked a lot, And so I think that's where

975
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: Maria what's her name, that we that you said you'd

976
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: never found any of your reference to anywhere. I think

977
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: that's probably where she came from. As the Frank Edwards article,

978
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: you wrote a lot of stuff about. You know, I

979
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: haven't actually seen this article. I wasn't able to find it.

980
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: I read a long takedown of it somewhere else on

981
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: the Internet by a guy that was writing about it

982
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: back and in the mid seventies. He said that Edwards

983
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: misspelled every Russian name he quoted, non existent source, He

984
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: jumbled up the names of the cosmonauts and the launch dates. Uh.

985
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: He also talked a lot about September nineteen sixty event

986
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: that involved a Russian test pilot named Pierre to or

987
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: deut Dologoff, who was quote tracked for twenty minutes by

988
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: stations in Turkey, Japan's, England, and Italy unquote. But none

989
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: of those stations actually had actually ever attracted them, like

990
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, the brother the Italian brothers, you know,

991
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: didn't you know they attract these things, and nobody else

992
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: reported that actually hearing anything about that from any of

993
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: these spacecraft. The head the Jodrell Bank Listening station in Britain,

994
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: the head of the of that in nineteen sixty three,

995
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: wrote that there's no reason to believe that there have

996
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: been any unsuccessful man space attempts by the U. S

997
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: s R. In christ I was prior to nineteen sixty seven.

998
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: But but still they had a good record up until

999
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three at last. Anyway, a lot of this

1000
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: stuff made its way into the mainstream media from this

1001
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: particular guy, from this particular article. The article itself actually

1002
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: attracted a lot of attention, and see the Washington Evening

1003
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: Star in nineteen sixty two and May sixty three, the

1004
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: New York Journal American. A lot of these, a lot

1005
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: of these are papers that don't seem to exist anymore.

1006
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 1: Baltimore Son and some others. And it's just another reason

1007
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: not to believe everything you read the papers. But Frank Edwards,

1008
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: do you recognize that name? Yeah? I should, and I

1009
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: don't remember why. Yeah, yeah, he's so. He's he's the

1010
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: guy that created the anti Couney Lake mystery. He is

1011
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: the guy he took the took the It took a

1012
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties article by Emmett Kellagher. Decades later he spotted

1013
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: into a big elaborate story and the original article it

1014
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: was like a half dozen tents or something, five to

1015
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: six Indian tents and the camp was deserted and it

1016
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: was allmosterious and kind of creepy. Yeah, but and that

1017
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: was it though. It's just a little campra a little

1018
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: camp campsite basically. Yeah. Frank Edwards in the sixties published

1019
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: a book called Stranger than Fiction I think it was called,

1020
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: and he popped it way up and now that the

1021
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: village in the village of Antioquney Lake was dozens of

1022
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: wooden huts. Yeah, so he did he evidently from what

1023
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: Joe found, I didn't find this source, but Joe found

1024
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 1: that he also may be responsible part of this story. Yeah,

1025
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: I think it's probably nine. Frank Edwards created this whole

1026
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: thing out a whole cloth, just like he did any lake.

1027
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: And you read up. A good point is that if

1028
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: if others had heard this stuff that was going on,

1029
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: if it was the Russian failures, the Americans most you

1030
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: know us, as the Americans, we had a big reason

1031
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: to let the world know that the Soviets were screwing up.

1032
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: Why would we conceal it if we had heard it?

1033
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things he gets pointed as well,

1034
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's Cold War. We wanted to put as

1035
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: much egg on their face as we could. I mean,

1036
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: I suppose you could argue that, uh uh, maybe it

1037
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: was some sort of the CIA black op and that

1038
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: they actually put out these BS rumors and everything to

1039
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: try to make the Soviets look bad. Yeah, I mean

1040
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: it's possible maybe or maybe Frank Edwards was a CIA agent,

1041
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they paid him some money. It was

1042
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: a good spin doctor. Yeah, but I bet I think

1043
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: again that whenever, whenever you're looking too when I saw

1044
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: a mystery and you hear the name Frank Edwards, just yeah, yeah, Okay,

1045
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: Well you guys have any I'm out of stuff here,

1046
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: and I know we've gone over this pretty extensively. You

1047
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: have anything else? If you haven't listening to any Lake episode,

1048
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: sorry I spoiled it for you. Way to go, Joe. Well,

1049
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: you can find this episode, as well as the Arecuney

1050
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: Lake episode, as well as all of our episodes and

1051
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: some of the research for every story on our website.

1052
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: The website is going to be thinking Sideways podcast dot com.

1053
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: You can download and stream from there. I know a

1054
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of people get their episodes from different streaming apps.

1055
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: We're on just about all of them, or people will

1056
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: still and a lot of people still get it from iTunes.

1057
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,440
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1058
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Speaker 1: We prefer the positive, but go ahead and leave a

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Speaker 1: comment and a rating. If you have something negative to say,

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Speaker 1: email us we can talk about because I yeah, usually

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Speaker 1: they're they're very episode specific complaints and I think that

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Speaker 1: they can probably talk through some of that or like

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Speaker 1: the sound quality though of the old episodes is really bad.

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Speaker 1: We know. We are of course on social media, so

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Speaker 1: we are on the Twitter, we are thinking sideways, We're

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Speaker 1: on the Facebook, the fast Book. We all have a

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Speaker 1: fast Book page and a fast Book group, and we

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Speaker 1: have lots of people who talk to us on that thing.

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Speaker 1: So you can totally find us there. What is what

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Speaker 1: does Joe's find us? Friend us like us? Yeah? And

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Speaker 1: lots whoa we Yeah, I always forget. We have a subreddit,

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Speaker 1: which what is it done? It's okay and there it's

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Speaker 1: it's pretty dead right now. So if you're a reddit user,

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Speaker 1: if you're one of those like hundreds of people who

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Speaker 1: have managed to find us through like the Unresolved Mysteries

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Speaker 1: I've read it or anything like that, it's just joined

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Speaker 1: that one too. It could be fun, you never know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to do some people are we're trying, you know,

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Speaker 1: why not. The main form of direct communication with us,

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Speaker 1: of course, would be email. That's the main sword of

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Speaker 1: our lives. Yes, the thing that we get the most of.

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Speaker 1: You are more than welcome to send us an email

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Speaker 1: at Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. Episode suggestions, conversations,

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Speaker 1: questions or concerns, their corrections, send it all to us.

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Speaker 1: We'll answer it all. Might take us day at three four,

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Speaker 1: but we will get a lot of them. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: there's just three of us that we have jobs inn

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Speaker 1: one of these days. Your cats don't count Joe uh oh.

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Speaker 1: And last but not least, Patreon. We are on Patreon,

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Speaker 1: so you can find us at patreon dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. So if you would like to uh financially

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Speaker 1: contribute to the show, you're more than welcome to. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: not a requirement, totally voluntary things, but we do appreciate

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Speaker 1: that helps us out a lot. Yeah, if you pla

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Speaker 1: a million bucks in episode, of course, you can tell us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to be owned for that much. Okay, um, okay,

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Speaker 1: well that's all I've got show. We will talk to

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Speaker 1: everybody next week. Folks, Hey, did you guys know that

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Speaker 1: when astronauts who have been on this space station for

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Speaker 1: a long time, when they come back, they often forget

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Speaker 1: that gravity exists really because you know, when you're in

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Speaker 1: in the space station, you can just like let something

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Speaker 1: go and it just sits there for a minute. Apparently

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Speaker 1: like they do that and like once they're back on

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Speaker 1: our several times, Yeah, they forget like that apple is

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Speaker 1: not going to flip next one of the day. I

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Speaker 1: love it. Bye everybody, Bye, No