Speaker 1: Yellowstone is just a massive super volcano that if it explodes,
Speaker 1: will literally wipe out like our entire country. And on
Speaker 1: average it explodes every like six thousand years, and we
Speaker 1: are past the window of that happening, and it could
Speaker 1: just happen at any time, and that that makes me.
Speaker 2: Terrified, you know, sweet release, that's the thing. If it
Speaker 2: was gonna like just wipe us out, I'll be chilling.
Speaker 1: But I think it's what it's gonna do is like
Speaker 1: blow up and just spread like the type of ash
Speaker 1: that like kills you very slowly.
Speaker 3: Oh right, Because I've heard people talk about like even
Speaker 3: like when Mount Saint Helen's blow how it was crazy.
Speaker 3: But if it's like a super volcano, because that's what
Speaker 3: that's what you die, You suffocate.
Speaker 2: From the ash in the air. Ultimately, Yeah, man Ziski
Speaker 2: knows when it's gonna blows like you'll see, Yeah, you'll see.
Speaker 2: You don't tell them when we want to be.
Speaker 4: I gos a racist stuff.
Speaker 2: I can't tell me.
Speaker 3: At night, I dream of you. I want to be
Speaker 3: your lady.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 3: Welcome Little Mama's and gentiles alike to another phenomenal episode
Speaker 3: of My Mama Told Me.
Speaker 1: The podcast where we dopted deep into the pockets of
Speaker 1: black conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Theory and finally work to prove the conspiracies. We gotta
Speaker 3: figure that last it out. Yeah, I guess is it because.
Speaker 2: Not of them? This is Rob's.
Speaker 1: I think it's of everybody and Rob, We're so happy
Speaker 1: you're here.
Speaker 2: We've already broken the That was a terrible introduce. It
Speaker 2: wasn't really an introduction. We didn't even finish on. Man.
Speaker 1: I uh, yeah, I think we are here to prove
Speaker 1: all of the possibilities of the world. I think that
Speaker 1: is that is objectively what's true. Is it the best
Speaker 1: way to say it? I don't know yet, but I
Speaker 1: do think that that's.
Speaker 5: What we're here hoping to prove.
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, I'm into that.
Speaker 6: You know what I've been Yeah, I'm just you know
Speaker 6: what I've been thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you always set it up so uh poorly. I
Speaker 2: want them to know what we're doing. I want them
Speaker 2: to see how the little game. I want them to
Speaker 2: see how much work.
Speaker 3: Goes into making that delicious treat they like to eat
Speaker 3: once a week on Tuesdays and Thursday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twice a week, twice a week, once away, twice
Speaker 1: a week, week week.
Speaker 2: Whenever you listen to him.
Speaker 3: You know what I've been thinking, I think doctor Umar
Speaker 3: is doing a press run because he's finally getting ready
Speaker 3: to open that school.
Speaker 2: WHOA what I think? Did you see him speak and like, uh, he.
Speaker 1: Was at a school University of Michigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alma.
Speaker 1: Mother, I wish I wish I would have I would
Speaker 1: have bought a plane ticket.
Speaker 2: And he was like what was he like Black Queen's
Speaker 2: Forever and the whole crowd was like snowbody. He like
Speaker 2: found his audience. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was so crazy because I did not know niggas
Speaker 1: were like that tapped into him like in catchphrase form
Speaker 1: at eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was like our joke, like younger
Speaker 2: kids are like joking about this. Now. That's my question
Speaker 2: is do you think they were joking? I think I
Speaker 2: think there's winks between them. Yes, I think some people
Speaker 2: there probably will finding truth like we're we're laughing but
Speaker 2: a good point. Yeah, there's other people that are like
Speaker 2: that was hilarious. Yeah, I have a test to study for.
Speaker 2: You know, that would be a great college experience. I
Speaker 2: feel like doctor Umar spoke.
Speaker 1: I remember uh, so many people that they had come
Speaker 1: perform at our at our school. Yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: replaced any one of them with doctor Umar.
Speaker 2: You have any good ones.
Speaker 1: They have had amazing onesell money back during like the
Speaker 1: Robot that was.
Speaker 2: Big That's a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we Sean before Big Sean became Big Sean, so
Speaker 1: on some real like hungry selling it. But we also
Speaker 1: knew he had already been tapped by Kanye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just wasn't.
Speaker 6: That's that's it's an exciting right.
Speaker 2: It was when Big Sean was doing individual merch for
Speaker 2: every school he went to. Yeah, I remember his website
Speaker 2: and uh, he had a thing. He was like, I
Speaker 2: am finally famous, and you write in and then maybe
Speaker 2: he'd put you up on the blog. And I'm like
Speaker 2: one year in the comedy and I wrote het like
Speaker 2: opening for Ronnie Jordan's and how like I am finally
Speaker 2: so embarrassing that permanent. He No, he didn't pick me up.
Speaker 2: I went to the University of Georgia. We had Conflict Free,
Speaker 2: christepe Michelle. Really, we had tree Songs. We had t Paine, damn,
Speaker 2: we had Godfree. He didn't tell us James Avery was gay.
Speaker 2: He just kept that in the Talking O seven. You know,
Speaker 2: he really got in trouble. You were really mad at guy.
Speaker 2: You furious at Godfrey for that.
Speaker 1: I thought that I had always treated that as relatively common.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a cat that was out of
Speaker 2: the bag and like just a rumor that people have
Speaker 2: been saying. And yeah, I don't know what point of
Speaker 2: an interview gets to that. Like, I've been in here
Speaker 2: several times and I've never gotten to the point where
Speaker 2: it's like, but tell us about uncle Phil. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: point of like, you know, who's gay? Supermon when you're
Speaker 2: like the boy where they're like, all right, man, come on,
Speaker 2: you gotta come clean. I won't see it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're the one to come clean, Godfrey.
Speaker 1: We didn't ask you.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't imagine. The story was weird.
Speaker 2: That was the other thing. The story wasn't like I
Speaker 2: walked in on James Avery having sex. It wasn't like, hey,
Speaker 2: I was doing voice work for teenage Turtles. I was like,
Speaker 2: whoa shredder? Like it was like that. It was just
Speaker 2: like I went to the Gospel of Awards and he
Speaker 2: was using his hands a lot. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: that's it, man.
Speaker 3: I think he might just be kind I'm like the theater.
Speaker 2: I think he's like a talented actor. He just sees
Speaker 2: someone he hadn't seen it a long time, watching Godfrey
Speaker 2: use his hands a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Rumormeil has started, Folks, we don't run from
Speaker 1: it here, that's what it's poor our guest today. You've
Speaker 1: already heard him tell phenomenal stories about Godfrey and the like.
Speaker 1: He's a hilarious comedian, a dear friend. We love him
Speaker 1: so much on this podcast. You've seen him on The
Speaker 1: Tonight Show, You've seen him on Comedy Central. He currently
Speaker 1: is writing for a brand new show called Little keV
Speaker 1: that you can watch everywhere.
Speaker 2: Now is everywhere? I miss that? They're all out all
Speaker 2: the episode that the episodes. Yeah, you can watch Little
Speaker 2: keV on BT Plus. He's the best.
Speaker 1: Give it up for Rob Hayes, ladies. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't shout him out. Nothing cool Runnings that darn cat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cosby Cosby he was on the Like when it
Speaker 3: was just the show without show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just here was the number two on that.
Speaker 2: I believe I ain't even above Felicia Side in the
Speaker 2: same it's Bill Cosey, Felicie and and Dougie Dog.
Speaker 3: But they're not the Huxtables. It's like they're not Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're just people. Are they still in Brooklyn?
Speaker 2: I don't know where they are. I know Buster Rhymes
Speaker 2: is in it.
Speaker 1: I want to say they were in Philly.
Speaker 2: They might have been in Phild. It was on CBS
Speaker 2: a time where I didn't go over there, no.
Speaker 3: Man, because all there was was like Becker like Jack yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: did not have anything.
Speaker 2: I remember maybe Walker, Texas Ranger, Nash Bridges.
Speaker 6: Maybe I watched that ship on Packs Okay remember Packs?
Speaker 3: Okay, if you didn't have a cable, it was like
Speaker 3: it was like a pseudo Christian channel, like it was
Speaker 3: next in Atlanta they played Hawks games.
Speaker 2: That's how bad the Hawks were.
Speaker 1: They were.
Speaker 6: Watching and watching Touch by an Angel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Packs was trash damn. I like when Pack's first
Speaker 2: drift they had like night Rider and like yeah, cool stuff.
Speaker 3: And the transferred to being inspirational like a little later,
Speaker 3: early past the.
Speaker 2: Way to Heaven, they was like, yo, man, we found I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what our I guess we we. I never
Speaker 1: had to go through the Christian channel enough.
Speaker 2: Yea, y'all didn't need pey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, because you UPN was a
Speaker 1: regular ass channel and in that way you avoid a
Speaker 1: lot of like the heartbreak that would have come from.
Speaker 3: Right, we had up N too. UPN was the go
Speaker 3: to I feel like the years and then the WB
Speaker 3: secondary I was the ABC, then UPN and then like
Speaker 3: ABC like TGI Friday Friday.
Speaker 1: Man, that was good and that you know, there were enough.
Speaker 1: This was back when they would like replay episodes throughout
Speaker 1: the week, right right, syndicated. Yeah, you got to watch
Speaker 1: a little bit of Rkle on Friday, but you can
Speaker 1: watch Urkle a few more other days. Yeah, it was nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Friday got a new. Racle got that.
Speaker 3: New Yeah, he's a robot Friday, He's a Bruce Lee.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 2: That was like the was excited.
Speaker 3: I think I was for an Kilizer, Like I remember
Speaker 3: thinking about it like the week up right, you know,
Speaker 3: because it'd be like, oh, in all New.
Speaker 6: Family Matters, Racles going Chinese or whatever.
Speaker 2: I was waiting they pitched it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was, I was gonna handle it.
Speaker 2: I realized I had dug a hole for myself. I
Speaker 2: forgot about that because like, yeah, no, Malcolm and Eddie
Speaker 2: when they announced that like Eddie Griffin was gonna do Prince.
Speaker 2: It was like a whole building and I remember like,
Speaker 2: oh man, I can't wait to see you can't wait
Speaker 2: being Prince.
Speaker 3: Crazy and how Malcolm's gonna hate right, We're not supposed
Speaker 3: to have prints in a tow truck.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that the Pharmacy Show that.
Speaker 1: It was like a restaurant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a restaurant, club, bar, Slash.
Speaker 3: It was Malcolmic Eddie had he was always making jokes
Speaker 3: about stuff he had in the truck. It was.
Speaker 1: Slash my Ani's office.
Speaker 2: One stop shot.
Speaker 1: That's literally what the episodes would be. Remember is that
Speaker 1: somebody would drop their car off to Eddie, I need
Speaker 1: you to fix my car, and he'd be like, Ship,
Speaker 1: I can't fix that car. You gotta go chill in
Speaker 1: the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige would walk in the restaurant like, what's wrong with
Speaker 1: that guy?
Speaker 2: He's not a good Mechny was what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you here? That would be how they got you in
Speaker 2: the week two though, was like on an all.
Speaker 3: New Malcolm and Eddie, you stopping and she's just like
Speaker 3: doing real love with the like because I remember thinking that,
Speaker 3: Like I remember always thinking. I was like, musicians have
Speaker 3: music videos, they're obviously incredible actors, Like I would want
Speaker 3: to see them in morning. Yeah, I saw a Fast
Speaker 3: and Furious because of Joe Rule.
Speaker 2: I was disappointed the yo, they fucked us, so he was.
Speaker 2: He was a big pull for trailer. Trailer makes this
Speaker 2: scene like it's his movie. The trailer does all the
Speaker 2: things that he does. You think it's his family, You
Speaker 2: think it's their own family, and they like it was
Speaker 2: like you don't see him anymore.
Speaker 3: It's like, yo, he says these people, he says three
Speaker 3: things in that movie.
Speaker 6: He says three things in that movie. He saysnaja, and
Speaker 6: you're like, this is about to be in the performance.
Speaker 6: He's such a good actor.
Speaker 2: And then he says, Monica, isn't it that he races
Speaker 2: Vin Diesel and loses?
Speaker 3: Is that a girl walks in the race, Yes, a
Speaker 3: girl walks up though she says, you know you she's
Speaker 3: I remember the show. She's like, you know, if you win,
Speaker 3: you could have all of this, or if you lose
Speaker 3: you can have this anyways, but if you win, you
Speaker 3: get hurt too. And then she takes his hand and
Speaker 3: puts it on her titty and that's why when he
Speaker 3: kicks on the noss he says, manage.
Speaker 2: But they were like, it's not clear he gets the fun.
Speaker 2: At the same time, I like the world where they
Speaker 2: had that scene to make him say makes it.
Speaker 7: They're like, whoa, you gotta fix man. We've studied car races.
Speaker 7: It's not like a traditional yell, didn't you do it again?
Speaker 3: He's like, I like to think he said, like five
Speaker 3: other things that didn't make it was what they had
Speaker 3: to build.
Speaker 1: Yeah, say that job.
Speaker 2: The same girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I did not remember joh Rule's uh heavily
Speaker 1: featured appearance in the trailer. He does they kill him
Speaker 1: off from the entire fucking because they didn't bring him
Speaker 1: back and they never run him back.
Speaker 2: He's in the world. Yeah, this in the world.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: His name is Edwin.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't literally hurt you. That's why I saw the movie.
Speaker 2: Have such us so permanent for you. Paul Walker and
Speaker 2: Vin Diesel got me through and driving under trucks for
Speaker 2: DVD players like, I got through it.
Speaker 1: But I missed when they were just yeah, it was
Speaker 1: better doing.
Speaker 2: The space and it starts with you steal in the
Speaker 2: DVD player Yeah, that's what they sold us. That's not
Speaker 2: what I like. BZZ.
Speaker 1: He wasn't stealing. He wasn't stealing fucking eight tracks.
Speaker 2: That need to go to Space. You think he hold
Speaker 2: your breath.
Speaker 3: Also, the DVD things, stealing DVDs didn't make sense because
Speaker 3: even when that movie came out, they already had like
Speaker 3: DVD players at Walmart, right, Like he.
Speaker 2: Was already like a commodity, right been. Yeah, that movie
Speaker 2: had me looking under cars for the longest to see like, like,
Speaker 2: when is there I'm going to see a truck that
Speaker 2: does have a tire under it? Yeah, big as eighteen
Speaker 2: wheel trucks have at least one tire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And you're saying somehow they've only they
Speaker 1: found trucks. They found trucks that you could drive a
Speaker 1: whole car is underneath, no doubt. Also a lot of
Speaker 1: nods I had never heard about. Noting that became a streak,
Speaker 1: It became an energy Yeah, it did becoming Do you
Speaker 1: want the effects of noss? Do you want the effects
Speaker 1: of knots? But you ain't got a driver's license?
Speaker 2: You think they're ever energy drinks for rich people. I
Speaker 2: feel like we all got the same I think they're
Speaker 2: separate everything for people. You think, so I think rich
Speaker 2: energy drinks is like an expresso, but like I feel
Speaker 2: like we don's juice crunk juice.
Speaker 1: I think Celsius for a while was in private eye spaces.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's real. And then and I think you
Speaker 2: and your.
Speaker 1: Friends were drinking crunk juice for some time. Sometimes because
Speaker 1: I'm from Atlanta though, because you weren't drinking Celsius. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think the remaining but I think both are true.
Speaker 2: Every like little waiting room in Atlanta had a crunk
Speaker 2: juice fridge man, so they.
Speaker 1: Really I think I've seen crunk juice three times in
Speaker 1: my Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like readily available. It's like you know, you
Speaker 2: go other places and there's like like cucumbers and water,
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 8: Crook juice free that's crazy, you know, on tap and
Speaker 8: sparkling a room town like a hot juice please.
Speaker 2: It was just like red Bull or any other thing,
Speaker 2: you know, except for like endorse my little John Damn.
Speaker 1: I think, and this is my own negative judgment. I
Speaker 1: would have expected it to be sweet.
Speaker 2: Like probably it's probably a little like they did have flavors,
Speaker 2: I think, and they were like it was probably worse
Speaker 2: for you for some reason. I think it's all you
Speaker 2: got some poison.
Speaker 1: In there, so I was supposed to drink all that
Speaker 1: crib too much?
Speaker 2: Is this had racist yours of the the Sun's mascot,
Speaker 2: which is it's a gorilla for some reason, and looking
Speaker 2: a basketball and you're a.
Speaker 1: Black man wearing a gorilla on your hat.
Speaker 2: I can't believe they made it. I can't believe, like
Speaker 2: you know, passed like a lot of Unfortunately, the Trump
Speaker 2: administration is put a lot on the docket that we
Speaker 2: haven't gotten around. I think we don't this. I think
Speaker 2: in the right window of time, this hat would have
Speaker 2: been out of the paint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, it's not I think in a fucking
Speaker 1: in a in a truly egalitarian world, the gorilla would
Speaker 1: have been eliminated by now.
Speaker 2: It's doesn't make anything around so long. It's really crazy.
Speaker 6: No gorillas in Phoenix.
Speaker 2: There's no gorillas.
Speaker 6: It's just they just wanted to make the monkey.
Speaker 2: I know, black people playing basketball.
Speaker 1: Monkey Damn Phoenix a monkey in a Jersey.
Speaker 2: Let's see if they'll let that. Let us do. This
Speaker 2: is the place that it would go through though, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's like who's going to vote again?
Speaker 2: We don't live there. It's gotta be awkward when the
Speaker 2: when the gorilla guys like takes this stuff off and
Speaker 2: like you know, might make eye contact with like KD
Speaker 2: or something and just like, hey dude, I gotta make
Speaker 2: somehow man, I know what it is. You know, like
Speaker 2: no judge me. Yeah.
Speaker 6: They should have just got it. They could have got anything.
Speaker 2: They could have got anything, anything that lives in the desert.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, A get go your sonhead, just do a.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Mascots are. I think they gritty is one thing. But
Speaker 3: I think for the most party, the better mascots are
Speaker 3: like sexier. Now like a son is too it's too cumbered,
Speaker 3: cumbers you mean.
Speaker 2: Just ahead and that regular.
Speaker 1: But you can do whatever you want with the body
Speaker 1: the premises. Son, All you have to do is have
Speaker 1: a head that's interesting.
Speaker 2: You do what you can do.
Speaker 6: You know what I would do.
Speaker 3: I would make it a cool guy named Ray Ray. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because Rays Okay, he's got some glasses on. I got
Speaker 3: you just like Raphael. Wow, No that's not all that's.
Speaker 2: He just got love is a cool nigga spoke a
Speaker 2: long cigarette basketball.
Speaker 1: Rob you you came to us today with a conspiracy
Speaker 1: and we eventually have to talk conspiracy theory at some
Speaker 1: point at some point, But you came to us with
Speaker 1: a conspiracy. I personally have never heard anybody say before either.
Speaker 2: This is exciting.
Speaker 1: This bill is very personal in a way that I'm
Speaker 1: excited to hear you unpack. You said, my mama told
Speaker 1: me Michael Jackson never got unnecessary surgery.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Tell us everything you know and believe I Okay, So,
Speaker 2: as you guys know, I keep a lot of knowledge
Speaker 2: about out music and stuff, to the point where the
Speaker 2: algorithm just feeds me stuff. If there's ever a new
Speaker 2: resurface video Michael Jackson, it will hit my feed.
Speaker 1: First, Okay, your first responder for Michael Jackson videos.
Speaker 2: I'm There's never been a time where like somebody sent
Speaker 2: me a Michael Jackson video and then I've been like, oh,
Speaker 2: I never seen this one before. It's normally like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen that. Look at this part, you know. So
Speaker 2: I've been starting to get truther Michael Jackson's content coming
Speaker 2: to me. WHOA, Now I will. I will tell you
Speaker 2: that I found out earlier today some of the pictures
Speaker 2: that I've been getting.
Speaker 6: How did you how did you find out?
Speaker 2: Because I was like, I was like making sure I
Speaker 2: didn't just make up. Yeah, But then I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh man, there are people that are out here debunking
Speaker 2: some of the studio. I picture that when you said it.
Speaker 1: I pictured your wife whispering it in your ear, like
Speaker 1: that man did for George Bush when he found out
Speaker 1: about all.
Speaker 6: She gave him. We lost the town.
Speaker 2: So the thing is, sometimes I'll get the like I
Speaker 2: would believe them if they had separated them, But all
Speaker 2: the videos I get are like, nah, it's one thing.
Speaker 2: It's like he didn't bleach his skin and he didn't
Speaker 2: have any unnecessary surgery. It's like that's a lot to
Speaker 2: tackle in one video. Your Instagram limit like three minutes,
Speaker 2: Come on, I need at least ten right, cover more.
Speaker 2: It's not so there's people that believe that. Okay, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 2: the fire, the Pepsi commercial, right, which is like triggered
Speaker 2: is he's his loopis?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this like eighty four, early eighty four triggered his
Speaker 2: loopis And then basically that's what causes like some of
Speaker 2: the like red disccoloration that you see in his skin,
Speaker 2: and then after that he also has vill aligo, which
Speaker 2: my father told me he made up. My father didn't
Speaker 2: even believe Villa lago was the thing. Oh, he didn't
Speaker 2: even believe he was. My dad didn't believe in the
Speaker 2: premise of no disease. He was like Michael Jackson. Like
Speaker 2: because when you're a kid, you're like, you're looking at
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson and then your parents are either like he's
Speaker 2: black or you're like, oh man, like he's white, and
Speaker 2: then your parents are cracking up or whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 2: my parents had we had that discussion. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: what happened? How did he end up like this? And
Speaker 2: my dad's like, he made up some disease bill a
Speaker 2: Lago with something I don't know, and it's I always
Speaker 2: like remember that in my head, like, oh man, Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson so powerful, he made up a disease.
Speaker 6: That's how you thought about it, was like he's so powerful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're a cycle room for thirteen seconds, broke
Speaker 2: up a disease. He walked backwards. Litter sucks. They don't
Speaker 2: sell him at Walmart. That's true. That was a crazy
Speaker 2: thing to come out with, Like litter sock technologies come just.
Speaker 1: The high socks alone with such a dangerous decision.
Speaker 3: Also, he's wearing those like captain's tassels on his shoulders
Speaker 3: and he's walking with it with an army of people
Speaker 3: would come on.
Speaker 1: About his style up, everything about his style would have
Speaker 1: gotten him literally murdered in Gary, Indiana.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he found a way too.
Speaker 3: He's just like a motorcycle, motorcycle motorcycler, like that's meant
Speaker 3: the motorcycle itself.
Speaker 2: And he just had like bondage girl.
Speaker 9: He looked insane, bad, Yeah, crazy, I think, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 9: everywhere impossible, he did the impossible, and so you believe
Speaker 9: the disease could have been more proof of his amazing.
Speaker 2: Power, right right. But then later people were saying he
Speaker 2: bleached his skin, and then I find these videos saying
Speaker 2: he didn't bleach his skin.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a pretty big window of time in
Speaker 1: between you finding these videos and everything else you knew,
Speaker 1: right right right.
Speaker 2: I think you really.
Speaker 1: Rushed that middle part. And I would say that was
Speaker 1: all of your adult Yeah, that big chunk that you
Speaker 1: skipped over was all the years of just common sense
Speaker 1: building over time.
Speaker 2: I wanted to believe it. I think they knew that
Speaker 2: deep down there some people that wanted to be like
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson woke up one day and was like, what
Speaker 2: happened to me?
Speaker 5: Oh my god?
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh man, I gotta call.
Speaker 2: This Taylor and tell her like, I'm different.
Speaker 1: Those people scare me anybody else, because because look, I
Speaker 1: love Michael Jackson, I do not I recognize that that
Speaker 1: at the very least what he was doing was completely
Speaker 1: unhealthy and inappropriate with those children. What scale it went
Speaker 1: to is not anything I'll ever know, and I think,
Speaker 1: frankly any of us will ever know. Right, I think objectively,
Speaker 1: he did bad things with those kids just by spending
Speaker 1: the type of time he was spending it with them.
Speaker 2: You don't want any grown man hanging out with your kids. No,
Speaker 2: it's nasty.
Speaker 1: It's a nasty, weird thing to do, chill out right,
Speaker 1: regardless of what their childhood was or it's just like,
Speaker 1: that's like a line. I cannot undo my relationship with
Speaker 1: the music, with the sort of joy that he represented
Speaker 1: for me. So Michael Jackson remained, I'm sorry that said.
Speaker 1: The the idea that you you are so wanting him
Speaker 1: to be a god, that you you pretend he didn't
Speaker 1: fuck up his nose fell off.
Speaker 2: I think he's just some people's Trump. We have seen it.
Speaker 3: I think he was like, I think that's true in
Speaker 3: the same way some people just Trump can't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3: I think he can't.
Speaker 2: He's trying to hit notes. One surgery, that's all I
Speaker 2: give you. One. Yeah, that's it. That's it. What about
Speaker 2: late Michael though? What you mean like like maybe they
Speaker 2: didn't do it.
Speaker 6: Right and then it just got lighter and lighter and light.
Speaker 2: One surgery, that's all I give you. That's man, that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's all you believe in is one surgery.
Speaker 2: One surgery. Okay, let's talk about that was the one surgeon.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break.
Speaker 2: Let's on a cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: I believes that there was one surgery that changed everything
Speaker 1: for Michael Jackson and everything else is just God. I've
Speaker 1: supposed doing what he does to the King of pop
Speaker 1: Is that our argument?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, when we come back from this break, we are
Speaker 1: going to find out what that that supposed surgery is.
Speaker 1: This is very exciting, a beautiful cliff hater. We'll be
Speaker 1: back more Rob Hayes more. Ma Mama told me.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut
Speaker 3: America's meet.
Speaker 2: That's that only it's almost like this guy is some
Speaker 2: We're back, We're back, that's it. Rob. Rob is still here.
Speaker 1: Rob is still trying to convince us one surgery that
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson only had one surgery. Please, Rob, if you
Speaker 1: will tell us what that one surgery was, he told.
Speaker 2: Us he had the one surgery so you can hed
Speaker 2: higher notes on his nose. He told Martin Basheer that
Speaker 2: when Martin Vasheer went in his house unannounced and you know,
Speaker 2: caused all these problems for my man, Mike.
Speaker 1: Martin really acted up on that interview.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, we didn't even ask for that.
Speaker 2: We're just chilling out of nowhere. It's like, I spent
Speaker 2: this time with Michael Jackson. Now we see him holding
Speaker 2: hands with some kid and stuff, climbing trees. We need
Speaker 2: to see none of that. Jackson. Yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 2: the British media, man, they know what they did. So
Speaker 2: you know, like like basically, okay, Michael Jackson, y'all know Icarus, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you only go so close to the sun. Well you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, your wings start melting. Michael Jackson's
Speaker 2: seeing heights weed never seen. She spun more than probably
Speaker 2: anybody's ever spun, just like physically, so he probably some
Speaker 2: of that knows some of that color guy went off
Speaker 2: in the spin.
Speaker 6: I bet it was in the atmosphere. You think he
Speaker 6: spun so fast.
Speaker 2: That it literally just like have we ever seen anybody
Speaker 2: else spind like that? Why did Berry saying this? Quit early?
Speaker 2: He is getting too light? Am I looking lighter? Verry
Speaker 2: gotta stuff?
Speaker 6: I don't want to live in Detroit.
Speaker 2: You're not the man I married. This game is ruining
Speaker 2: on family. You don't even look like your son anymore.
Speaker 6: He said, you know me, I spin because Barry does you.
Speaker 2: Married? I mean, come on, man, that's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm thinking, and I don't. I'm not loving
Speaker 1: what you're saying so far. But it did introduce at
Speaker 1: least a challenge that I've never faced before. What was
Speaker 1: the first day that Mike came back that color?
Speaker 6: It had to be wik Yeah, because you are a
Speaker 6: great timeline for this.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, what's the album timeline? Okay, it's dangerous. He
Speaker 2: was all the way right. Dangerous is all the way white.
Speaker 6: It's all the way white, right right, right, and then
Speaker 6: what's the is bad that.
Speaker 2: Before that Bad? Yeah, so it's between thriller and Bad.
Speaker 2: Thriller comes out late eighty two. They shoot the videos
Speaker 2: that eighty three, The Awards is eighty four.
Speaker 1: And by Thriller, he's already got a new nose, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now you don't have to acknowledge where that nose came from,
Speaker 1: but you do acknowledge that nose was not the nose.
Speaker 2: We started with. That's not the nose we started with, okay, Right,
Speaker 2: he's also making plays with the hair. Yeah, well they
Speaker 2: I mean that's just hair at the time, right, the hair.
Speaker 2: The hair just crazy to us because we grew up
Speaker 2: in a hip hop fade era.
Speaker 1: But like that was hair at the time that a
Speaker 1: lot of baby hairs on bad I think I think
Speaker 1: it started to transition from any version of Africanized hair, right,
Speaker 1: and started to transition into a fine Latina woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some type of a Cariban do this. So okay,
Speaker 2: So the Pepsi shoot early eighty four, the hairs burned,
Speaker 2: So now you gotta start experimenting with wigs. They probably
Speaker 2: don't make Jered Curle wigs, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So the technoldy hair texture might be different. And also
Speaker 2: we don't know what grew back and what didn't grow back,
Speaker 2: you know, like these are these are some of the
Speaker 2: secrets that Mike might have all always had a bald spot.
Speaker 2: After that, we really don't know. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I will say, like eighty five, when he gets the
Speaker 2: Grammy for uh, We Are the World, he looked different.
Speaker 2: He in that We Are of the World documentary when
Speaker 2: they recorded We Are the World, that's somebody that we know.
Speaker 2: But then when he came back to get the Grammy,
Speaker 2: he looked different. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The recording he is he is clearly still black. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's doing a lot. It's it's starting to separate himself.
Speaker 1: That's how it is from it and then to your point,
Speaker 1: by the time they accept the award, that's a brand
Speaker 1: new person. Now my issue is why, and maybe it
Speaker 1: just speaks to how talented this man was that he
Speaker 1: could come back a different color and everybody's just like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we accept that.
Speaker 2: As Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he still came back strong as dog.
Speaker 1: But look how crazy it couldn't exist nowadays. I think
Speaker 1: bro we're calling Jamie Fox a clone, and the nigga
Speaker 1: ain't changed one bit.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's true.
Speaker 1: Michael could come back a whole white woman and we'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, it's Michael Jackson. That's the most famous
Speaker 1: man that's ever lived.
Speaker 2: Has anyone ever done a bigger change?
Speaker 1: Not? Not not at that scale, Sammy Sosa, I would say, made,
Speaker 1: And it's the same.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's ever done something, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like where it's like, oh, then they change
Speaker 2: a bones, that's crazy, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: like that was like we we they probably never seen
Speaker 2: anything like that. There was probably some people that There's
Speaker 2: also been things that people have been saying, like you know,
Speaker 2: like they were switching up the makeup so you see him,
Speaker 2: you'll see him like uh in rehearsal footage and stuff
Speaker 2: be darker than when you see him performing stuff. And
Speaker 2: so like some some of it's some like little Richard
Speaker 2: action going on, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 2: also but I mean maybe it's like years and years
Speaker 2: of all different types of makeup, all different types of foundation,
Speaker 2: all different spins, you know what I'm saying. You make
Speaker 2: this stuff together. They started changing Mike Mike down. The
Speaker 2: paint is coming in and Teddy Riley did dangerous. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He took us to Egypt. Don't
Speaker 2: think hein you know what I'm saying. Don't think Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson a shame of who he is, where he came from.
Speaker 3: Johnson was in there, and probably some people on edge
Speaker 3: about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: But like, yeah, they debuted that on box.
Speaker 2: Naomi Kimball wasn't.
Speaker 1: Naomi Kimball was in the.
Speaker 2: Keep it, keep It in the closet and in the clock.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 6: People really don't let that.
Speaker 1: That's a very formative video for me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the beat is great, the video is great.
Speaker 2: I really don't understand what the song is saying. No,
Speaker 2: that's not the point. What are you doing? Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: well that's about being a crib.
Speaker 3: Extrip. Picture is real, you know a picture I've always wondered.
Speaker 2: He is real.
Speaker 3: And I feel like you're the one asked the one
Speaker 3: where he's got the bottle and the two little ladies,
Speaker 3: the two little the little people ladies.
Speaker 6: I know what you man, Yeah, you know what I'm
Speaker 6: talking about.
Speaker 2: Clearly. I'm not the person to verify stuff is real
Speaker 2: or not, but I'm seeing it. Yeah, I would love
Speaker 2: to know the story. Mean, I think about that a lot.
Speaker 2: I say that picture like it's it's clearly somebody like
Speaker 2: opened the door and took a picture and he looking
Speaker 2: stressed out and it's like a lady right there by
Speaker 2: the bed or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what you're talking about with this where
Speaker 1: he's drinking with Yeah, you're familiar with this.
Speaker 2: I tried to put it on a hoodie, but Zazzle
Speaker 2: wouldn't let me do it. What does that mean? You know,
Speaker 2: be in charge of hoodies.
Speaker 3: Know that those websites where you could like make your
Speaker 3: own hoodie, they were like this images and yeah they could.
Speaker 6: I couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: I also try to do one with my new ball
Speaker 2: in the swimming pool. They woul't let me do that.
Speaker 2: That's good. That would be a cool on a hoodie.
Speaker 1: I would be a great Yeah, you should get embroidered.
Speaker 1: I bet they don't have the same mom.
Speaker 2: So he's got like a like a forty I thought
Speaker 2: you meant like a baby bottle and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's insinsitive. Yeah he's not. He's like these are my people. No,
Speaker 2: he looks a little Denise and that's a little Mariah.
Speaker 2: He looks so comfortable.
Speaker 3: See it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks great. That's like happier than I feel
Speaker 2: like he looks at most people. They look comfy. He
Speaker 2: looks happy. Yeah, we don't know them, man, he was
Speaker 2: in our kind. We don't know. We don't know. Because
Speaker 2: when he died they found thirty six bottles of bleaching creams.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that he used them on his skin.
Speaker 1: So here this is I think where we get into
Speaker 1: some of the the my concerns. Okay, and you feel
Speaker 1: free to tag in wherever. I just I did a
Speaker 1: quick google of just how what surgeries Michael Jackson underwent,
Speaker 1: and they said he will underwent multiple plastic surgery procedures
Speaker 1: throughout his life.
Speaker 5: Here's a timeline of the surgery.
Speaker 2: It's all Amelia for his proper game, just saying real.
Speaker 2: Early eighties.
Speaker 1: They say that he had rhinoplasty, no surgery, to reduce
Speaker 1: the size of his nose. Yeah, early eighties, so it
Speaker 1: would have to be before the PEPSI. They also said
Speaker 1: that he started skin bleaching due to his vitiligo. Come on,
Speaker 1: that that really was because of the skin condition. And
Speaker 1: I have seen interviews with his mom. She says that
Speaker 1: he his bleaching was so severe, not his active bleaching,
Speaker 1: but like the bleaching of his skin from videligo was
Speaker 1: so severe, mostly under his clothes, which is why he
Speaker 1: started wearing long sleeves everywhere. Which is why he started
Speaker 1: wearing the glove. Was because it was like starting to spread.
Speaker 1: It started in his chest and then spread throughout his bod.
Speaker 2: I'm so sad, man, we would have took it. If
Speaker 2: you'd have just been like, I'm Michael Jackson, I got
Speaker 2: we would have took it.
Speaker 1: He could have winn harlowed that ship.
Speaker 2: But there was no Winny Harlow like like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. But I also
Speaker 2: think that like he he would he would have had
Speaker 2: the like really just I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: the eighties was mean and he would have had to
Speaker 2: take you know what I'm saying. I think I think
Speaker 2: like he would have took it would have been all
Speaker 2: kind of jokes. He would have took all kind of
Speaker 2: He would have took a lot. But he you take
Speaker 2: a lot, but just leave me alone. Another great song,
Speaker 2: right the body. Yeah, come on, it was like the
Speaker 2: sledgehammer video from that rock and roll man.
Speaker 3: But he did take so much from it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like do you think I don't think he would have
Speaker 3: taken more had he let it rock than that had
Speaker 3: he gone to the Lake City went to I.
Speaker 2: Agree, But I do feel like, you know, that is
Speaker 2: that is the tricky thing about trying to alter your appearance,
Speaker 2: and especially for like the perception of others. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a great comedy special about that same thing called
Speaker 2: front You guys should check it out. But it is
Speaker 2: the curse of that thing where you're like, you're you're
Speaker 2: doing this thing and then you know, the goal of
Speaker 2: altering your appearance is you know, acceptance, acceptance, and sometimes
Speaker 2: reaching for that is what you know, totally get you extracise,
Speaker 2: totally get you unaccepted. You know. But I think his
Speaker 2: experience was so bugged out already that it probably you know,
Speaker 2: I think that's why he was able to be so drastic,
Speaker 2: because it's like, I have dirafts in my front yard.
Speaker 2: My life is already different, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like I've been I've been taking care of this whole
Speaker 2: family since I was eleven, Like, you know, my life
Speaker 2: is just different. So then it's just also like okay,
Speaker 2: if I you know, it might be a physical manifestation
Speaker 2: of that of like, hey, when you see me, No,
Speaker 2: I'm not the same, because I'm not the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's something crazy and in keeping your
Speaker 1: name the same, having gone from the brokest human being
Speaker 1: alive in Gary, Indiana, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: nothing literally no opportunity, no dream, no way of accessing anything, right,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly becoming an ascended human to the point
Speaker 1: that you are gotten, like people pass out when you
Speaker 1: walk into a room, right, Like, no, and you kept
Speaker 1: the name the same, right, No, I have to change
Speaker 1: something to be able to demonstrate the transformation of it.
Speaker 3: And the timeline on that, Right, the eighties would have
Speaker 3: seemed when it was the most he was the most
Speaker 3: affected by that, right, Like, that's the biggest transition in
Speaker 3: his like, because that's when he goes from like I
Speaker 3: that's when it becomes icon.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, the eighties is.
Speaker 2: King of Bop.
Speaker 1: I think that Jackson five were massive, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that they were like, I don't imagine that they
Speaker 1: were permanent in the people's minds of like, oh, this
Speaker 1: group will be with us forever and always types and.
Speaker 3: They were were they international? Like Thriller to Bad is
Speaker 3: like that's like that's I think that's become. Now you're
Speaker 3: a legend, You're a living legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that, like the the Jackson
Speaker 2: Five are in you know, are popular, but they thought
Speaker 2: of as a novelty when they're put in a box
Speaker 2: with other kids groups. I think the stuff he did
Speaker 2: with the Jackson's when they went to Philly and gambling
Speaker 2: huff and stuff like some of that stuff kind of
Speaker 2: solidified them as in the mix in an R and
Speaker 2: B context, right, And then when you know, when basically
Speaker 2: Off the Wall gets shunned from major category, Grammy's kind
Speaker 2: of the same fight, Beyonce. You know, it's fighting, and
Speaker 2: so many black artists fight as far as like like
Speaker 2: acceptance overall the entire music industry. That's when it's like
Speaker 2: let's go pop, let's put gold on the jacket, let's
Speaker 2: go for it. And then they did it, and they
Speaker 2: did it so well. It was like the biggest album ever.
Speaker 2: And now it's like, yeah, it gets it gets nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that makes sense, that sense. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he had to. To your point, he had to make
Speaker 2: some changes. Yeah, I do. At least I'm not saying
Speaker 2: he had to. I'm just saying that, like I feel,
Speaker 2: I feel for Michael Jackson sometimes and I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like, yeah, now with with the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five lens, we can be like, yes, he
Speaker 2: could have done so much for other people who had
Speaker 2: Villi Lago and like could have been transparent and that
Speaker 2: could have been the next you know, like you know
Speaker 2: instead of you know, he could have been vulnerable. He
Speaker 2: could have he could have showed us blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But also I think, like that's a lot to ask
Speaker 2: somebody who you know, probably it also wasn't a wave
Speaker 2: like it is now right to do good, to be vulnerable, toable.
Speaker 2: It was still to be a good person.
Speaker 1: Like none of that was cool back then, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's not until recently and then it's it's
Speaker 1: all so now died. But it wasn't until recently that
Speaker 1: we actually wanted our heroes to be human.
Speaker 2: Right, know what I mean, Like I don't even know
Speaker 2: if we actually do. No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think we killed it off immediately because we saw
Speaker 1: a bunch of human qualities and all of these people,
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh no, no, no, this is
Speaker 1: fucking awful. Go back to being right completely separate from us,
Speaker 1: and now we can't figure out a way to put
Speaker 1: that back in. We wanted desperately to go away, and
Speaker 1: we can't fix it anymore. But no, I think Michael Jackson, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He grew up in an era where there
Speaker 1: are gods and there are men, and he was a
Speaker 1: god and he could not show that vulnerability as a god.
Speaker 1: That said, there are many other surgeries I'd love to
Speaker 1: cover with you.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 1: I guess in the mid eighties he apparently had additional
Speaker 1: rhinoplasty and cheek augmentation. Eighties he had eyelid surgery and
Speaker 1: lip off augmentation.
Speaker 2: That's when they got thin.
Speaker 5: That's when they got real thin.
Speaker 2: Is that when the ad libs came?
Speaker 6: When it got real thin, because that is.
Speaker 2: There's nothing to block the ship.
Speaker 6: When they put this ship, that's how you show it up.
Speaker 2: But look what they just did. He was probably saying
Speaker 2: it the whole time, but them big old juicy lips
Speaker 2: was it.
Speaker 6: Was getting in the way.
Speaker 3: I like to think he wrote man in the mirror
Speaker 3: before and he tried to sing it and he was like, no,
Speaker 3: he's got ready.
Speaker 2: But it was the Blues Lips, Baby, you want to
Speaker 2: say them boys thin.
Speaker 6: As a razor.
Speaker 2: We don't realize it was for the art.
Speaker 6: That's like Rocky being like, cut, I can't do it right.
Speaker 6: You got to take some juice out.
Speaker 2: I got it. I love that that. This was all
Speaker 2: just a beautiful effort towards making better music.
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the early.
Speaker 2: Because I do like those That ship was so good
Speaker 2: in the early nineties.
Speaker 1: Uh, he got multiple rhino plastic's chin augmentation again and
Speaker 1: breast implants, which he later removed. I think I think
Speaker 1: they say breast. I imagine it was more chest than
Speaker 1: okay context to with huge titties.
Speaker 2: I don't think. Just a couple of days, you know,
Speaker 2: see what it was hitting on banking at like it
Speaker 2: he got rid over. I thought breastfeed I thought.
Speaker 6: With the big titties out, that would be that would
Speaker 6: be crazy.
Speaker 2: That would be crazy. Was that the You're not alone?
Speaker 1: He really abandoned that. Bob fast, it's not good. I
Speaker 1: think we talked about it on here before that was
Speaker 1: not We started to talk about and then you distracted
Speaker 1: us with tiny Have you ever seen Michael Jackson's nipples?
Speaker 2: That's right, have you? Yes? Yeah, I feel like I've
Speaker 2: seen him.
Speaker 3: Olivia smart, I'm sorry, Olivia's shown us pictures Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: with titties.
Speaker 6: Showing it.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited Mike and a brown man like it's
Speaker 1: supposed to No.
Speaker 6: I got I'm sorry. Continue though we're talking about the bob.
Speaker 1: He got his bob. But in the meantime, he also
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties got a facelift and Talx injections.
Speaker 2: Believe I don't believe it. In the nineties he.
Speaker 1: All late nineties he got more rhino plastics and a
Speaker 1: skin graft to repair damage from lupus. Okay, see, okay,
Speaker 1: I am saying that picture now, and it does suck.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's tough.
Speaker 1: And then in the two thousands he got additional skin
Speaker 1: grafts and laser treatments, and then, of course, in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine he died from cardiac arrest from taking
Speaker 1: all that propothal.
Speaker 2: I feel like the two thousands we weren't really seeing
Speaker 2: him as much visually in court, Yeah, of almost suburban
Speaker 2: and stuff, right, that was the two thousands, a lot.
Speaker 1: Of umbrellas, a lot of a lot of face masks.
Speaker 2: He was early and.
Speaker 3: But but but compared to how exposed he was before,
Speaker 3: Like we watched him kind of our lifetime is watching
Speaker 3: him go, I think and further inside.
Speaker 1: I think he went through so many sort of like
Speaker 1: heartbreaks just with like the the accusations around obviously the
Speaker 1: him being you know, a sex criminal, but then additionally
Speaker 1: like the ship with his kids and like getting sort
Speaker 1: of exposed for whatever those weird relationships were, all the
Speaker 1: civil trials, he was facing down all the weird like then.
Speaker 1: Remember there was a period where he had started like
Speaker 1: suing his company, his record label for racial injustice, and
Speaker 1: he had like linked up with Johnny Cochrane trying to
Speaker 1: like recoup funds off of what he claimed was them
Speaker 1: trying to tank his career. Like I think he was
Speaker 1: so disillusioned with the world that you had to put
Speaker 1: an umbrella up and go inside.
Speaker 2: He had Johnny Cochrane first, though he had Johnny Cochran
Speaker 2: before oj oh, he was before OJH. Yeah, he might
Speaker 2: have gave Number whoa n art back in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Johnny Cockran was on board and then either Johnny Coger
Speaker 2: had to leave or they settled or whatever. Yeah, Johnny
Speaker 2: Cocker left and then they settled. There's something Johnny Coger
Speaker 2: don't take no ls, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: then yeah, but then then when OJ got away, Johnny
Speaker 2: cogre and it was like he got lawyer to the stars.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. If that's the that's who OJ called. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's I'm just saying, Mike.
Speaker 2: I need a number.
Speaker 6: One man, I could call.
Speaker 2: Oh, Johnny, I wouldn't give you this number, but I
Speaker 2: heard you had a glove on, so you know, gloves
Speaker 2: got to stick together.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: You believe that was his real voice. I do not believe. No,
Speaker 2: that wasn't his voice. No, we've heard, yeah, we've heard
Speaker 2: his real voice. Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that in the recordings for the video game.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, that Box game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: The game.
Speaker 1: They have to lost files of him Ready to Rumble.
Speaker 1: I wish they had told us that was him. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean arguments I had in school. It ain't no
Speaker 1: real Michael Jackson voice. You don't even know about Ready
Speaker 1: to rumble.
Speaker 2: It was really him? That's crazy, nuts because I think
Speaker 2: they couldn't advertise it. I think Michael Jackson was in
Speaker 2: such hot water at the time. I don't think they
Speaker 2: could really advertise that it was him in the game.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought that's why he changed his voice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, out of respect to what y'all
Speaker 1: got going, and you're still going to represent me, I'll
Speaker 1: give you my voice, I'll change it.
Speaker 5: I'll just give you a different Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: He made some of the songs for Sonic. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that original one of the like like, yeah, the
Speaker 2: same video game, video game Crazy produce some someer Sonic Underwater.
Speaker 2: That was crazy. Man, that was good.
Speaker 3: That's really hang out to just listen to the song
Speaker 3: and he starts tapping his foot and he puts his hand.
Speaker 2: On They were still from music though. Back in those days.
Speaker 2: They you know, it's like the wiwid Wess. Nobody was
Speaker 2: protecting IP in the sixteen bit forms, so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's some songs just like man, this let's sound familiar
Speaker 2: and it was just taking stuff that sucks.
Speaker 1: I guess it's also pretty cool. I don't know, pretty
Speaker 1: cool some of some of legal uh and I say
Speaker 1: this fully being a person who I hope doesn't get
Speaker 1: all of his proper propriety ideas whatever stolen. I I
Speaker 1: really don't like the laws around like fair use. I
Speaker 1: really feel like you made some ship I should be
Speaker 1: able to just I want to put your song in
Speaker 1: my thing and I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Have to ask for it.
Speaker 2: And I know that's not nice, right, but I guess
Speaker 2: just to prevent people from just totally jacking your song
Speaker 2: and just you know, and I think on it and
Speaker 2: then it's like, nah, it's my song.
Speaker 1: I think there should be laws around that. I think
Speaker 1: that's crazy. If you made something, it should be yours,
Speaker 1: and it should you should be paid properly for that, right.
Speaker 1: I just hate that the way that artists are forced
Speaker 1: to make their money is by having to manage all
Speaker 1: existence of their song anywhere, right, rather than you just
Speaker 1: getting paid off of the greatness of something you made
Speaker 1: and then anybody can throw it on their fucking DVD
Speaker 1: because it's a great song and we can all appreciate
Speaker 1: that you got paid properly.
Speaker 2: For it, right, right, Yeah, But that's never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And that's my problem is that fair use is just
Speaker 1: us being punished for you all being snakes with the
Speaker 1: very artists you claim to represent.
Speaker 2: That's real, that's real. But I mean, like it sucks now,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like this generation I hear, I see,
Speaker 2: you know, being that I received so much Michael Jackson stuff.
Speaker 2: I get into Michael Jackson versus Prince stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: There's so many people that don't have knowledge of prints
Speaker 2: because he was so protective of his ip online from
Speaker 2: the mid two thousands basically until he died, and so
Speaker 2: there's so much Prince stuff that that people didn't discover.
Speaker 2: There's so many people that don't have knowledge of prints.
Speaker 2: They're like, why would you even compare these two? But
Speaker 2: part of that is because they don't even know how
Speaker 2: like crazy Prince was going in the eighties. They don't
Speaker 2: know about a lot of his music. They don't know
Speaker 2: about a lot, you know, a lot of his influence
Speaker 2: and all of that. And it's like, you know, but
Speaker 2: part of that was because he was so tight, Like
Speaker 2: if you had a baby dance in the nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: he'd pull it down. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If y'all heard about the Prince documentary, oh, they pulled
Speaker 1: it right.
Speaker 2: The State pulled it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Netflix basically commissions this documentary from the same
Speaker 1: dude who made the OJ documentary, the one that.
Speaker 2: Was like this. So it's.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not like a puff piece, it's like
Speaker 1: a no. This was like a true deep dive. And
Speaker 1: apparently I learned all this on the daily. But apparently
Speaker 1: he went to the vault because that's how they they basically,
Speaker 1: you know, Netflix got the rights to what was in
Speaker 1: the vault, and so they went to him and were like,
Speaker 1: we're giving you all his ship, go in the vault,
Speaker 1: go ahead and make the documentary. He goes in the vault.
Speaker 1: He's like, bro, all the meaningful shit has been scrubbed.
Speaker 1: That like, Prince was so on top of it in
Speaker 1: terms of keeping it private. He scrubbed anything that would
Speaker 1: have been like a sort of casual moment or anything
Speaker 1: that was like caught off guard, ass Prince.
Speaker 2: It just is all clean.
Speaker 1: Photos and shiny shit, right Yeah, And so he's pissed
Speaker 1: because like, this sucks. I've been I got access to
Speaker 1: the vault and it still sucks. I'm never gonna learn
Speaker 1: about this dude. And he goes on a six year
Speaker 1: mission talking to every single person who considered themselves in
Speaker 1: any way shape form close to Prince, who will talk
Speaker 1: to him, and truly makes what they described in the
Speaker 1: Daily as a masterpiece of a documentary about this dude,
Speaker 1: really exploring like most of his childhood, unpacking all of
Speaker 1: this trauma that created the character, like really like digging
Speaker 1: into relationships and his sort of like abuses and also
Speaker 1: like the abuse that he put out, like all kinds
Speaker 1: of shit unpacked. And then the family the estate saw
Speaker 1: it and was like, we gave them seventeen pages worth
Speaker 1: of notes, being like we don't want this in there,
Speaker 1: We don't want that in there. That can't exist. Nobody
Speaker 1: needs to know about this, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And he was like, yo, I can give you like
Speaker 1: a taste, but I can't. I can't lie about what
Speaker 1: I've discovered. And then the Netflix and them were just
Speaker 1: like fine, then they don't never exist and they it's gone.
Speaker 2: Somebody got it, somebody, somebody, somebody got it. That might
Speaker 2: be my new mission to get the freaking Prince. Doc.
Speaker 1: Bro, I have mixed feelings about it, if I'm being
Speaker 1: honest with you, really, yeah, yeah, A part of me
Speaker 1: is like, well, obviously I want to see the documentary.
Speaker 1: I'm such a massive Prince fan. It would mean the
Speaker 1: world to me to know more about this person. But
Speaker 1: I also think he did it. He beat the fucking game.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 6: That's what I was thinking, is you were describing it,
Speaker 6: I was like, damn, he got away clean.
Speaker 1: He set out to keep his world private despite being
Speaker 1: arguably the most talented human being that's ever walked the
Speaker 1: face of the earth.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm going to leave this world with
Speaker 1: you knowing nothing about me, and.
Speaker 2: He did it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he If you can do.
Speaker 1: That, you deserve that privacy. You deserve to go into
Speaker 1: whatever after life exists for you knowing that you beat
Speaker 1: the game, instead of this other version of the game
Speaker 1: where like a person dies and then we dig through
Speaker 1: all their ship and go Ain't.
Speaker 2: Just crazy He had this the whole time. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what I didn't know about that. Oh no, he could
Speaker 2: still have his privacy. I'm not gonna tell nobody. I
Speaker 2: just want to see it. You just need nobody, nobody
Speaker 2: else gotta know. Yeah, I just want to see it.
Speaker 1: I think the hard part is there are one billion
Speaker 1: people on the planet you who feel the same way
Speaker 1: I won't do it nobody.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna clip it, I ain't gonna make no content.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm just gonna see it,
Speaker 2: and you know, I ain't gonna talk about it and
Speaker 2: let somebody else see it. There we go, that's somebody
Speaker 2: else side. Then we have a conversation lest love had
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 1: Yo, you see that there's no one they call you,
Speaker 1: they go, they gonna rob We're gonna do a private
Speaker 1: screening just you, no one else. We're gonna let you
Speaker 1: watch the Prince documentary. You watch the entire Prince documentary,
Speaker 1: you of tears in your eyes by the end of it.
Speaker 1: It is that meaningful to you too at this moment.
Speaker 1: And then you walk out of that documentary. You go
Speaker 1: back to your home, you go back to your wife.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way in the world that while y'all
Speaker 1: are brushing your teeth late at night, you don't go
Speaker 1: the documentary was pretty crazy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would tell my girl, you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna you're gonna tell somebody.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm gonna tell my wife. She can't even
Speaker 2: testify me. Don't know that.
Speaker 1: Man, There's no way your wife isn't going back to
Speaker 1: her very challenging job and then being like, what were y'all.
Speaker 2: Up to this weekend?
Speaker 1: I do much, but I'm gonna tell you I've got
Speaker 1: to see that Princeton. Yeah, everything is gonna it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna become public knowledge.
Speaker 5: This never states private.
Speaker 3: You mean that being said? How many people worked on it?
Speaker 3: There's like a lot of people have seen it, I'm
Speaker 3: sure on the documentary. Yeah, I bet a lot of
Speaker 3: people have seen it, but ed there's like the whole
Speaker 3: I bet a lot of it.
Speaker 1: A lot of what it is we know now because
Speaker 1: just of word of mouth that he was both controlling
Speaker 1: and abusive and complicated. Is ultimately what it all shows
Speaker 1: is that like he was abused, was put out of
Speaker 1: his childhood home at twelve by his mom, then at
Speaker 1: fourteen by his dad.
Speaker 2: He truly had to get it, was he when they
Speaker 2: found him in that park.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He had to get it out
Speaker 1: the mud at like seventeen.
Speaker 2: A crazy Yeah, I assume he just played the album
Speaker 2: for his parents and they were like, well, you don't
Speaker 2: need to go to college. No, yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: His mom was like apparently super like cold and like
Speaker 1: and their relationship was toxic, but then he moved in
Speaker 1: with his dad, who he loved and admired. But his
Speaker 1: dad was hello religious, Yeah, would like beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of him, even a cover of Hends. But that's
Speaker 1: also part of what they claim makes the documentary so masterful,
Speaker 1: is that all these songs that you thought were about
Speaker 1: sex and sexuality are actually like just hammered with this
Speaker 1: duality where it's also about like a person struggling to
Speaker 1: find community, a person struggling to like to place their
Speaker 1: identity in a world that has rejected them from the beginning.
Speaker 1: It's it's like it creates like all these fucking layers
Speaker 1: for who the human is. But also he didn't want
Speaker 1: us to know. And I kind of respect that he
Speaker 1: figured out a way to keep that so quiet. Crazy
Speaker 1: that Minnesota is the backdrop for all this the whole time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I respect it. I do feel like the
Speaker 2: reason his estate is protecting this is not for him,
Speaker 2: not for this him, but just because it might affect
Speaker 2: the bottom line. There might be some people that are like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to play Prince music anymore, knowing certain
Speaker 2: things and that's all they care about. You, You know what,
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like Prince Music was U title only that's
Speaker 2: the reason that I had titled The Minute He Died.
Speaker 2: We go into train station, it's Spotify ads for Prince
Speaker 2: all over the train stations. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like they just some people in that camp just out
Speaker 2: to make a book. You know, it does feel it.
Speaker 3: Is very disheartening, Like when you go to the Minneapolis
Speaker 3: airport and there's that Prince store. Yeah, you're damn if
Speaker 3: there was some shit he would have hated it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't want this. He didn't want that at all.
Speaker 1: And the documentarian talks about it in the interview that
Speaker 1: I listened to. He talks a lot about how like
Speaker 1: even going to Paisley Park, it's not like you're being
Speaker 1: informed on who Prince is. It truly is just a
Speaker 1: big gift shop. Like it they've turned it into like
Speaker 1: a fucking, you know, rock cafe for Prince. More than
Speaker 1: it is like a real testament to like his ever
Speaker 1: changing positions on like the world, on responsibility, the nigga
Speaker 1: died at Jehovah's witness, It's not even like one of
Speaker 1: the numbers how many there's one hundred and sixty thousand
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's something crazy you the proud. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're you're not even given the chance to
Speaker 1: get to know who he is based off of the estate,
Speaker 1: even regardless of like what becomes the more complicated details
Speaker 1: of his past. It won't even give you a chance
Speaker 1: to do basic knowledge on what prince who prince was.
Speaker 1: And so in that way, it is disheartening where you go. No,
Speaker 1: I think it would be really good for us as
Speaker 1: humans to know that our heroes can again be these
Speaker 1: complicated figures and still valuable. That said, I also respect
Speaker 1: that my hero really pulled a fast one on us,
Speaker 1: and I gotta say, big up, man, you did it.
Speaker 2: I can argule it with that. I do. I do,
Speaker 2: you know, when you put it that way, I do
Speaker 2: feel like that is ill. And yeah, I was looking
Speaker 2: forward to, like, now we're going to your stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's the you know, the better way to
Speaker 2: just yeah, chalk it up to the game.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Man, man, he might be the last one we know,
Speaker 1: because I don't think a lot of people win that hundred.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's really I don't think a lot
Speaker 2: of people win that Daniel d Lewis him. He's still alive.
Speaker 2: Yeahs still us. We don't know. He might, he might,
Speaker 2: he might slap somebody. I don't know where he's at.
Speaker 2: He keeps it pretty private. Yeah, we'll see he met it.
Speaker 2: Who are playing next?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Frank Ocean kind of? But
Speaker 1: he got messy friends, so we've been learning. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: about him every once in a while. Yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of of the privates left so.
Speaker 2: And I hate to say this on this medium. A
Speaker 2: lot of that is because podcasting. Yeah, no, we're for
Speaker 2: sure too much.
Speaker 1: How much of this is just gossip?
Speaker 5: Well you just come on here and gossip.
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you knew. We just got I just
Speaker 2: don't see it. I think we did it.
Speaker 1: I think it was like I think certainly, I still
Speaker 1: believe Michael Jackson got a lot more surgeries than you do.
Speaker 1: But I do I guess if I may, I do
Speaker 1: think there may be is a more complicated reasoning behind
Speaker 1: the surgeries than just self hatred the way that it's
Speaker 1: often been right.
Speaker 2: It's I've been painted this this man wanted to be
Speaker 2: white man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't see it. Like
Speaker 2: more complicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's definitely more complicated than you may never.
Speaker 2: Spun like he's I tried. I tried a lot of spinning.
Speaker 2: I gotta scar my chair, try to do the smooth
Speaker 2: criminal lean, not knowing that like, yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was shoo technology. I just thought, if
Speaker 2: you change your calves the right way, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you can get back up and then about.
Speaker 1: That man to the floor and yeah, gotta be strong though. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a bunch of us that even with
Speaker 1: that technology wouldn't come closer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly not right through them special shoot yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I supposed the whole trick to the world. Zion a
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Speaker 1: There's no way in the world, Rob, could you tell
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Speaker 2: You can find me? Uh. I'm on the Inconsistent Podcast
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Speaker 2: you know it's in consistent in branding and in nature.
Speaker 2: I do the end season podcast with my boy Jamel Johnson.
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