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Speaker 2: Terrified, you know, sweet release, that's the thing. If it

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Speaker 1: But I think it's what it's gonna do is like

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Speaker 3: Oh right, Because I've heard people talk about like even

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Speaker 3: like when Mount Saint Helen's blow how it was crazy.

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Speaker 3: But if it's like a super volcano, because that's what

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Speaker 3: that's what you die, You suffocate.

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Speaker 2: From the ash in the air. Ultimately, Yeah, man Ziski

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Speaker 2: knows when it's gonna blows like you'll see, Yeah, you'll see.

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Speaker 2: You don't tell them when we want to be.

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Speaker 4: I gos a racist stuff.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell me.

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Speaker 3: At night, I dream of you. I want to be

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Speaker 3: your lady.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Little Mama's and gentiles alike to another phenomenal episode

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Speaker 3: of My Mama Told Me.

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Speaker 1: The podcast where we dopted deep into the pockets of

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Speaker 1: black conspiracy.

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Speaker 3: Theory and finally work to prove the conspiracies. We gotta

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Speaker 3: figure that last it out. Yeah, I guess is it because.

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Speaker 2: Not of them? This is Rob's.

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Speaker 1: I think it's of everybody and Rob, We're so happy

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Speaker 2: We've already broken the That was a terrible introduce. It

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Speaker 1: I uh, yeah, I think we are here to prove

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Speaker 5: What we're here hoping to prove.

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Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, I'm into that.

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Speaker 6: You know what I've been Yeah, I'm just you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you always set it up so uh poorly. I

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Speaker 2: want them to know what we're doing. I want them

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Speaker 2: see how much work.

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Speaker 3: Goes into making that delicious treat they like to eat

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Speaker 3: once a week on Tuesdays and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twice a week, twice a week, once away, twice

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Speaker 1: a week, week week.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you listen to him.

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Speaker 3: You know what I've been thinking, I think doctor Umar

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Speaker 3: is doing a press run because he's finally getting ready

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Speaker 2: WHOA what I think? Did you see him speak and like, uh, he.

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Speaker 1: Was at a school University of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alma.

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Speaker 1: Mother, I wish I wish I would have I would

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Speaker 2: And he was like what was he like Black Queen's

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Speaker 1: It was so crazy because I did not know niggas

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was like our joke, like younger

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we Sean before Big Sean became Big Sean, so

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Speaker 2: I went to the University of Georgia. We had Conflict Free,

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Speaker 2: christepe Michelle. Really, we had tree Songs. We had t Paine, damn,

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Speaker 2: we had Godfree. He didn't tell us James Avery was gay.

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Speaker 1: We didn't ask you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't imagine. The story was weird.

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Speaker 2: I was doing voice work for teenage Turtles. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I think he might just be kind I'm like the theater.

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Speaker 2: I think he's like a talented actor. He just sees

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Speaker 1: Oh, the Rumormeil has started, Folks, we don't run from

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Speaker 1: it here, that's what it's poor our guest today. You've

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Speaker 1: already heard him tell phenomenal stories about Godfrey and the like.

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Speaker 1: He's a hilarious comedian, a dear friend. We love him

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Speaker 1: so much on this podcast. You've seen him on The

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Speaker 1: Tonight Show, You've seen him on Comedy Central. He currently

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Speaker 1: is writing for a brand new show called Little keV

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Speaker 1: that you can watch everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Now is everywhere? I miss that? They're all out all

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Speaker 1: Give it up for Rob Hayes, ladies. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't shout him out. Nothing cool Runnings that darn cat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cosby Cosby he was on the Like when it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just here was the number two on that.

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Speaker 2: I believe I ain't even above Felicia Side in the

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you didn't have a cable, it was like

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Speaker 3: Crazy and how Malcolm's gonna hate right, We're not supposed

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Speaker 2: I was disappointed the yo, they fucked us, so he was.

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Speaker 2: He was a big pull for trailer. Trailer makes this

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Speaker 3: It's like, yo, he says these people, he says three

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Speaker 6: He says three things in that movie. He saysnaja, and

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Speaker 2: And then he says, Monica, isn't it that he races

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Speaker 3: Is that a girl walks in the race, Yes, a

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Speaker 3: I remember the show. She's like, you know, if you win,

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Speaker 2: But they were like, it's not clear he gets the fun.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, I like the world where they

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Speaker 7: They're like, whoa, you gotta fix man. We've studied car races.

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Speaker 7: It's not like a traditional yell, didn't you do it again?

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Speaker 3: He's like, I like to think he said, like five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, say that job.

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Speaker 2: The same girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I I did not remember joh Rule's uh heavily

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Speaker 2: He's in the world. Yeah, this in the world.

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Speaker 2: His name is Edwin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't literally hurt you. That's why I saw the movie.

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Speaker 2: Have such us so permanent for you. Paul Walker and

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Speaker 1: But I missed when they were just yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: He wasn't stealing. He wasn't stealing fucking eight tracks.

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Speaker 2: That need to go to Space. You think he hold

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Speaker 3: Also, the DVD things, stealing DVDs didn't make sense because

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Speaker 2: Was already like a commodity, right been. Yeah, that movie

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And you're saying somehow they've only they

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Speaker 1: nods I had never heard about. Noting that became a streak,

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Speaker 1: of knots? But you ain't got a driver's license?

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Speaker 2: You think they're ever energy drinks for rich people. I

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Speaker 2: like we don's juice crunk juice.

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Speaker 1: I think Celsius for a while was in private eye spaces.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's real. And then and I think you

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Speaker 1: Friends were drinking crunk juice for some time. Sometimes because

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Speaker 1: I'm from Atlanta though, because you weren't drinking Celsius. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think the remaining but I think both are true.

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Speaker 2: Every like little waiting room in Atlanta had a crunk

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Speaker 1: Really I think I've seen crunk juice three times in

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Speaker 2: It was like readily available. It's like you know, you

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Speaker 2: go other places and there's like like cucumbers and water,

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Speaker 8: Crook juice free that's crazy, you know, on tap and

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Speaker 8: sparkling a room town like a hot juice please.

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Speaker 2: It was just like red Bull or any other thing,

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Speaker 2: Like probably it's probably a little like they did have flavors,

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Speaker 2: I think, and they were like it was probably worse

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Speaker 1: In there, so I was supposed to drink all that

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Speaker 2: Is this had racist yours of the the Sun's mascot,

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Speaker 2: which is it's a gorilla for some reason, and looking

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Speaker 1: Black man wearing a gorilla on your hat.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe they made it. I can't believe, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, it's not I think in a fucking

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Speaker 2: It's doesn't make anything around so long. It's really crazy.

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Speaker 6: No gorillas in Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: There's no gorillas.

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Speaker 6: It's just they just wanted to make the monkey.

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Speaker 2: I know, black people playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: Monkey Damn Phoenix a monkey in a Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Let's see if they'll let that. Let us do. This

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Speaker 2: is the place that it would go through though, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's like who's going to vote again?

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Speaker 2: We don't live there. It's gotta be awkward when the

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Speaker 2: like you know, might make eye contact with like KD

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Speaker 2: somehow man, I know what it is. You know, like

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Speaker 2: no judge me. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They should have just got it. They could have got anything.

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Speaker 2: They could have got anything, anything that lives in the desert.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, A get go your sonhead, just do a.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Mascots are. I think they gritty is one thing. But

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Speaker 3: like sexier. Now like a son is too it's too cumbered,

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Speaker 3: cumbers you mean.

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Speaker 2: Just ahead and that regular.

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Speaker 1: But you can do whatever you want with the body

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Speaker 1: the premises. Son, All you have to do is have

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Speaker 1: a head that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: You do what you can do.

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Speaker 6: You know what I would do.

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Speaker 3: I would make it a cool guy named Ray Ray. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because Rays Okay, he's got some glasses on. I got

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Speaker 3: you just like Raphael. Wow, No that's not all that's.

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Speaker 2: He just got love is a cool nigga spoke a

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Speaker 2: long cigarette basketball.

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Speaker 1: Rob you you came to us today with a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: and we eventually have to talk conspiracy theory at some

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy. I personally have never heard anybody say before either.

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Speaker 2: This is exciting.

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Speaker 1: This bill is very personal in a way that I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to hear you unpack. You said, my mama told

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Speaker 1: me Michael Jackson never got unnecessary surgery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Tell us everything you know and believe I Okay, So,

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Speaker 2: as you guys know, I keep a lot of knowledge

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Speaker 2: algorithm just feeds me stuff. If there's ever a new

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Speaker 1: First, Okay, your first responder for Michael Jackson videos.

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Speaker 2: I'm There's never been a time where like somebody sent

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Speaker 2: I've seen that. Look at this part, you know. So

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Speaker 2: I've been starting to get truther Michael Jackson's content coming

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Speaker 2: to me. WHOA, Now I will. I will tell you

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Speaker 6: How did you how did you find out?

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Speaker 2: Because I was like, I was like making sure I

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Speaker 2: some of the studio. I picture that when you said it.

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Speaker 1: I pictured your wife whispering it in your ear, like

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Speaker 1: that man did for George Bush when he found out

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Speaker 1: about all.

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Speaker 6: She gave him. We lost the town.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is, sometimes I'll get the like I

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Speaker 2: the videos I get are like, nah, it's one thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like he didn't bleach his skin and he didn't

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Speaker 2: have any unnecessary surgery. It's like that's a lot to

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Speaker 2: Come on, I need at least ten right, cover more.

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Speaker 2: It's not so there's people that believe that. Okay, Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 2: the fire, the Pepsi commercial, right, which is like triggered

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this like eighty four, early eighty four triggered his

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Speaker 2: loopis And then basically that's what causes like some of

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Speaker 2: and then after that he also has vill aligo, which

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Speaker 2: my father told me he made up. My father didn't

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Speaker 2: even believe Villa lago was the thing. Oh, he didn't

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Speaker 2: even believe he was. My dad didn't believe in the

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Speaker 2: premise of no disease. He was like Michael Jackson. Like

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Speaker 2: because when you're a kid, you're like, you're looking at

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Speaker 2: then your parents are cracking up or whatever. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: my parents had we had that discussion. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: what happened? How did he end up like this? And

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Speaker 2: my dad's like, he made up some disease bill a

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Speaker 6: That's how you thought about it, was like he's so powerful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're a cycle room for thirteen seconds, broke

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Speaker 2: up a disease. He walked backwards. Litter sucks. They don't

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Speaker 2: sell him at Walmart. That's true. That was a crazy

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Speaker 2: thing to come out with, Like litter sock technologies come just.

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Speaker 1: The high socks alone with such a dangerous decision.

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Speaker 3: Also, he's wearing those like captain's tassels on his shoulders

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Speaker 3: and he's walking with it with an army of people

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Speaker 1: About his style up, everything about his style would have

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he found a way too.

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Speaker 3: He's just like a motorcycle, motorcycle motorcycler, like that's meant

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Speaker 2: And he just had like bondage girl.

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Speaker 9: everywhere impossible, he did the impossible, and so you believe

442
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 9: the disease could have been more proof of his amazing.

443
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: Power, right right. But then later people were saying he

444
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: bleached his skin, and then I find these videos saying

445
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: he didn't bleach his skin.

446
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: Well, there was a pretty big window of time in

447
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: between you finding these videos and everything else you knew,

448
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: right right right.

449
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: I think you really.

450
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: Rushed that middle part. And I would say that was

451
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: all of your adult Yeah, that big chunk that you

452
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: skipped over was all the years of just common sense

453
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: building over time.

454
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to believe it. I think they knew that

455
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: deep down there some people that wanted to be like

456
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson woke up one day and was like, what

457
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: happened to me?

458
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 5: Oh my god?

459
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh man, I gotta call.

460
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: This Taylor and tell her like, I'm different.

461
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: Those people scare me anybody else, because because look, I

462
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: love Michael Jackson, I do not I recognize that that

463
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: at the very least what he was doing was completely

464
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: unhealthy and inappropriate with those children. What scale it went

465
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: to is not anything I'll ever know, and I think,

466
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: frankly any of us will ever know. Right, I think objectively,

467
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: he did bad things with those kids just by spending

468
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: the type of time he was spending it with them.

469
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: You don't want any grown man hanging out with your kids. No,

470
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: it's nasty.

471
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: It's a nasty, weird thing to do, chill out right,

472
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: regardless of what their childhood was or it's just like,

473
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: that's like a line. I cannot undo my relationship with

474
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: the music, with the sort of joy that he represented

475
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: for me. So Michael Jackson remained, I'm sorry that said.

476
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: The the idea that you you are so wanting him

477
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: to be a god, that you you pretend he didn't

478
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: fuck up his nose fell off.

479
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: I think he's just some people's Trump. We have seen it.

480
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: I think he was like, I think that's true in

481
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: the same way some people just Trump can't do anything wrong.

482
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: I think he can't.

483
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: He's trying to hit notes. One surgery, that's all I

484
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: give you. One. Yeah, that's it. That's it. What about

485
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: late Michael though? What you mean like like maybe they

486
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: didn't do it.

487
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 6: Right and then it just got lighter and lighter and light.

488
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: One surgery, that's all I give you. That's man, that's tough.

489
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: That's all you believe in is one surgery.

490
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: One surgery. Okay, let's talk about that was the one surgeon.

491
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: Let's take a break.

492
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: Let's on a cliffhanger.

493
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: I believes that there was one surgery that changed everything

494
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: for Michael Jackson and everything else is just God. I've

495
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: supposed doing what he does to the King of pop

496
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Is that our argument?

497
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

498
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Okay, when we come back from this break, we are

499
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: going to find out what that that supposed surgery is.

500
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: This is very exciting, a beautiful cliff hater. We'll be

501
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: back more Rob Hayes more. Ma Mama told me.

502
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: We're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut

503
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: America's meet.

504
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: That's that only it's almost like this guy is some

505
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: We're back, We're back, that's it. Rob. Rob is still here.

506
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Rob is still trying to convince us one surgery that

507
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson only had one surgery. Please, Rob, if you

508
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: will tell us what that one surgery was, he told.

509
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: Us he had the one surgery so you can hed

510
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: higher notes on his nose. He told Martin Basheer that

511
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: when Martin Vasheer went in his house unannounced and you know,

512
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: caused all these problems for my man, Mike.

513
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: Martin really acted up on that interview.

514
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, we didn't even ask for that.

515
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: We're just chilling out of nowhere. It's like, I spent

516
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: this time with Michael Jackson. Now we see him holding

517
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: hands with some kid and stuff, climbing trees. We need

518
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: to see none of that. Jackson. Yeah, come on, man,

519
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: the British media, man, they know what they did. So

520
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: you know, like like basically, okay, Michael Jackson, y'all know Icarus, right, Yeah,

521
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: you only go so close to the sun. Well you

522
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, your wings start melting. Michael Jackson's

523
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: seeing heights weed never seen. She spun more than probably

524
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: anybody's ever spun, just like physically, so he probably some

525
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: of that knows some of that color guy went off

526
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: in the spin.

527
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 6: I bet it was in the atmosphere. You think he

528
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 6: spun so fast.

529
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: That it literally just like have we ever seen anybody

530
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: else spind like that? Why did Berry saying this? Quit early?

531
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: He is getting too light? Am I looking lighter? Verry

532
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: gotta stuff?

533
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 6: I don't want to live in Detroit.

534
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: You're not the man I married. This game is ruining

535
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: on family. You don't even look like your son anymore.

536
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 6: He said, you know me, I spin because Barry does you.

537
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: Married? I mean, come on, man, that's what I'm hoping.

538
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm thinking, and I don't. I'm not loving

539
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: what you're saying so far. But it did introduce at

540
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: least a challenge that I've never faced before. What was

541
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: the first day that Mike came back that color?

542
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 6: It had to be wik Yeah, because you are a

543
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 6: great timeline for this.

544
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, what's the album timeline? Okay, it's dangerous. He

545
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: was all the way right. Dangerous is all the way white.

546
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 6: It's all the way white, right right, right, and then

547
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 6: what's the is bad that.

548
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: Before that Bad? Yeah, so it's between thriller and Bad.

549
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: Thriller comes out late eighty two. They shoot the videos

550
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: that eighty three, The Awards is eighty four.

551
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: And by Thriller, he's already got a new nose, right, Yeah,

552
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: Now you don't have to acknowledge where that nose came from,

553
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: but you do acknowledge that nose was not the nose.

554
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: We started with. That's not the nose we started with, okay, Right,

555
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 2: he's also making plays with the hair. Yeah, well they

556
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean that's just hair at the time, right, the hair.

557
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: The hair just crazy to us because we grew up

558
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: in a hip hop fade era.

559
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: But like that was hair at the time that a

560
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: lot of baby hairs on bad I think I think

561
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: it started to transition from any version of Africanized hair, right,

562
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: and started to transition into a fine Latina woman.

563
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, some type of a Cariban do this. So okay,

564
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: So the Pepsi shoot early eighty four, the hairs burned,

565
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: So now you gotta start experimenting with wigs. They probably

566
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: don't make Jered Curle wigs, you know what I'm saying.

567
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: So the technoldy hair texture might be different. And also

568
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: we don't know what grew back and what didn't grow back,

569
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: you know, like these are these are some of the

570
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: secrets that Mike might have all always had a bald spot.

571
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: After that, we really don't know. You know what I'm saying.

572
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: I will say, like eighty five, when he gets the

573
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: Grammy for uh, We Are the World, he looked different.

574
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: He in that We Are of the World documentary when

575
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: they recorded We Are the World, that's somebody that we know.

576
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: But then when he came back to get the Grammy,

577
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: he looked different. You know what I'm saying.

578
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: The recording he is he is clearly still black. Yeah,

579
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: but he's doing a lot. It's it's starting to separate himself.

580
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: That's how it is from it and then to your point,

581
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: by the time they accept the award, that's a brand

582
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: new person. Now my issue is why, and maybe it

583
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: just speaks to how talented this man was that he

584
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: could come back a different color and everybody's just like, yeah, no,

585
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: we accept that.

586
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: As Michael Jackson.

587
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he still came back strong as dog.

588
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: But look how crazy it couldn't exist nowadays. I think

589
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: bro we're calling Jamie Fox a clone, and the nigga

590
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: ain't changed one bit.

591
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: I mean that that's true.

592
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: Michael could come back a whole white woman and we'd

593
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, it's Michael Jackson. That's the most famous

594
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: man that's ever lived.

595
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: Has anyone ever done a bigger change?

596
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: Not? Not not at that scale, Sammy Sosa, I would say, made,

597
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: And it's the same.

598
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's ever done something, you know what

599
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like where it's like, oh, then they change

600
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: a bones, that's crazy, you know what I'm saying, Like

601
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: like that was like we we they probably never seen

602
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: anything like that. There was probably some people that There's

603
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: also been things that people have been saying, like you know,

604
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: like they were switching up the makeup so you see him,

605
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: you'll see him like uh in rehearsal footage and stuff

606
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: be darker than when you see him performing stuff. And

607
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: so like some some of it's some like little Richard

608
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: action going on, you know what I'm saying. And then

609
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: also but I mean maybe it's like years and years

610
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: of all different types of makeup, all different types of foundation,

611
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: all different spins, you know what I'm saying. You make

612
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: this stuff together. They started changing Mike Mike down. The

613
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: paint is coming in and Teddy Riley did dangerous. You

614
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He took us to Egypt. Don't

615
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: think hein you know what I'm saying. Don't think Michael

616
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Jackson a shame of who he is, where he came from.

617
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 3: Johnson was in there, and probably some people on edge

618
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: about it, you know what I mean.

619
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 6: But like, yeah, they debuted that on box.

620
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: Naomi Kimball wasn't.

621
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: Naomi Kimball was in the.

622
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 2: Keep it, keep It in the closet and in the clock.

623
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

624
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like.

625
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 6: People really don't let that.

626
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: That's a very formative video for me.

627
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the beat is great, the video is great.

628
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: I really don't understand what the song is saying. No,

629
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: that's not the point. What are you doing? Yeah, oh

630
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: well that's about being a crib.

631
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: Extrip. Picture is real, you know a picture I've always wondered.

632
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: He is real.

633
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: And I feel like you're the one asked the one

634
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: where he's got the bottle and the two little ladies,

635
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: the two little the little people ladies.

636
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 6: I know what you man, Yeah, you know what I'm

637
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 6: talking about.

638
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: Clearly. I'm not the person to verify stuff is real

639
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: or not, but I'm seeing it. Yeah, I would love

640
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: to know the story. Mean, I think about that a lot.

641
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: I say that picture like it's it's clearly somebody like

642
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: opened the door and took a picture and he looking

643
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: stressed out and it's like a lady right there by

644
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: the bed or whatever.

645
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what you're talking about with this where

646
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: he's drinking with Yeah, you're familiar with this.

647
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: I tried to put it on a hoodie, but Zazzle

648
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't let me do it. What does that mean? You know,

649
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: be in charge of hoodies.

650
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: Know that those websites where you could like make your

651
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: own hoodie, they were like this images and yeah they could.

652
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 6: I couldn't do that.

653
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 2: I also try to do one with my new ball

654
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: in the swimming pool. They woul't let me do that.

655
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: That's good. That would be a cool on a hoodie.

656
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: I would be a great Yeah, you should get embroidered.

657
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: I bet they don't have the same mom.

658
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: So he's got like a like a forty I thought

659
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: you meant like a baby bottle and I was like,

660
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: that's insinsitive. Yeah he's not. He's like these are my people. No,

661
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: he looks a little Denise and that's a little Mariah.

662
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: He looks so comfortable.

663
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: See it again.

664
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks great. That's like happier than I feel

665
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: like he looks at most people. They look comfy. He

666
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: looks happy. Yeah, we don't know them, man, he was

667
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: in our kind. We don't know. We don't know. Because

668
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: when he died they found thirty six bottles of bleaching creams.

669
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that he used them on his skin.

670
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: So here this is I think where we get into

671
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: some of the the my concerns. Okay, and you feel

672
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: free to tag in wherever. I just I did a

673
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: quick google of just how what surgeries Michael Jackson underwent,

674
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: and they said he will underwent multiple plastic surgery procedures

675
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: throughout his life.

676
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 5: Here's a timeline of the surgery.

677
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: It's all Amelia for his proper game, just saying real.

678
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: Early eighties.

679
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: They say that he had rhinoplasty, no surgery, to reduce

680
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: the size of his nose. Yeah, early eighties, so it

681
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: would have to be before the PEPSI. They also said

682
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: that he started skin bleaching due to his vitiligo. Come on,

683
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: that that really was because of the skin condition. And

684
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: I have seen interviews with his mom. She says that

685
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: he his bleaching was so severe, not his active bleaching,

686
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: but like the bleaching of his skin from videligo was

687
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: so severe, mostly under his clothes, which is why he

688
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: started wearing long sleeves everywhere. Which is why he started

689
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: wearing the glove. Was because it was like starting to spread.

690
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: It started in his chest and then spread throughout his bod.

691
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: I'm so sad, man, we would have took it. If

692
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: you'd have just been like, I'm Michael Jackson, I got

693
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: we would have took it.

694
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: He could have winn harlowed that ship.

695
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: But there was no Winny Harlow like like that. I mean,

696
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. But I also

697
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: think that like he he would he would have had

698
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: the like really just I don't know. I feel like

699
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: the eighties was mean and he would have had to

700
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: take you know what I'm saying. I think I think

701
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: like he would have took it would have been all

702
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: kind of jokes. He would have took all kind of

703
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: He would have took a lot. But he you take

704
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: a lot, but just leave me alone. Another great song,

705
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: right the body. Yeah, come on, it was like the

706
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: sledgehammer video from that rock and roll man.

707
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 3: But he did take so much from it, right, Yeah,

708
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: Like do you think I don't think he would have

709
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: taken more had he let it rock than that had

710
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: he gone to the Lake City went to I.

711
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: Agree, But I do feel like, you know, that is

712
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: that is the tricky thing about trying to alter your appearance,

713
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: and especially for like the perception of others. You know,

714
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: there's a great comedy special about that same thing called

715
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: front You guys should check it out. But it is

716
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: the curse of that thing where you're like, you're you're

717
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: doing this thing and then you know, the goal of

718
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 2: altering your appearance is you know, acceptance, acceptance, and sometimes

719
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 2: reaching for that is what you know, totally get you extracise,

720
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: totally get you unaccepted. You know. But I think his

721
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: experience was so bugged out already that it probably you know,

722
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: I think that's why he was able to be so drastic,

723
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: because it's like, I have dirafts in my front yard.

724
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: My life is already different, you know what I'm saying.

725
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: Like I've been I've been taking care of this whole

726
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: family since I was eleven, Like, you know, my life

727
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: is just different. So then it's just also like okay,

728
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: if I you know, it might be a physical manifestation

729
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: of that of like, hey, when you see me, No,

730
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm not the same, because I'm not the same.

731
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's something crazy and in keeping your

732
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: name the same, having gone from the brokest human being

733
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: alive in Gary, Indiana, you know what I mean, like

734
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: nothing literally no opportunity, no dream, no way of accessing anything, right,

735
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 1: and then suddenly becoming an ascended human to the point

736
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: that you are gotten, like people pass out when you

737
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: walk into a room, right, Like, no, and you kept

738
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: the name the same, right, No, I have to change

739
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: something to be able to demonstrate the transformation of it.

740
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: And the timeline on that, Right, the eighties would have

741
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: seemed when it was the most he was the most

742
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 3: affected by that, right, Like, that's the biggest transition in

743
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: his like, because that's when he goes from like I

744
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: that's when it becomes icon.

745
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, the eighties is.

746
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: King of Bop.

747
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: I think that Jackson five were massive, but I don't

748
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: think that they were like, I don't imagine that they

749
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: were permanent in the people's minds of like, oh, this

750
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: group will be with us forever and always types and.

751
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: They were were they international? Like Thriller to Bad is

752
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: like that's like that's I think that's become. Now you're

753
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: a legend, You're a living legend.

754
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that, like the the Jackson

755
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Five are in you know, are popular, but they thought

756
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: of as a novelty when they're put in a box

757
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: with other kids groups. I think the stuff he did

758
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: with the Jackson's when they went to Philly and gambling

759
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: huff and stuff like some of that stuff kind of

760
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: solidified them as in the mix in an R and

761
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: B context, right, And then when you know, when basically

762
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: Off the Wall gets shunned from major category, Grammy's kind

763
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: of the same fight, Beyonce. You know, it's fighting, and

764
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: so many black artists fight as far as like like

765
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: acceptance overall the entire music industry. That's when it's like

766
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: let's go pop, let's put gold on the jacket, let's

767
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: go for it. And then they did it, and they

768
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: did it so well. It was like the biggest album ever.

769
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: And now it's like, yeah, it gets it gets nuts.

770
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that makes sense, that sense. Yeah, so

771
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: he had to. To your point, he had to make

772
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: some changes. Yeah, I do. At least I'm not saying

773
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: he had to. I'm just saying that, like I feel,

774
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: I feel for Michael Jackson sometimes and I feel like,

775
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like, yeah, now with with the

776
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five lens, we can be like, yes, he

777
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: could have done so much for other people who had

778
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: Villi Lago and like could have been transparent and that

779
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: could have been the next you know, like you know

780
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: instead of you know, he could have been vulnerable. He

781
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: could have he could have showed us blah blah blah.

782
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: But also I think, like that's a lot to ask

783
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: somebody who you know, probably it also wasn't a wave

784
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: like it is now right to do good, to be vulnerable, toable.

785
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: It was still to be a good person.

786
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Like none of that was cool back then, you know,

787
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: I think it's not until recently and then it's it's

788
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: all so now died. But it wasn't until recently that

789
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: we actually wanted our heroes to be human.

790
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: Right, know what I mean, Like I don't even know

791
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: if we actually do. No, that's what I mean.

792
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: I think we killed it off immediately because we saw

793
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of human qualities and all of these people,

794
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh no, no, no, this is

795
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: fucking awful. Go back to being right completely separate from us,

796
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: and now we can't figure out a way to put

797
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: that back in. We wanted desperately to go away, and

798
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: we can't fix it anymore. But no, I think Michael Jackson, yeah,

799
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: he was. He grew up in an era where there

800
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: are gods and there are men, and he was a

801
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: god and he could not show that vulnerability as a god.

802
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: That said, there are many other surgeries I'd love to

803
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: cover with you.

804
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: That's why.

805
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: I guess in the mid eighties he apparently had additional

806
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: rhinoplasty and cheek augmentation. Eighties he had eyelid surgery and

807
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: lip off augmentation.

808
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: That's when they got thin.

809
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: That's when they got real thin.

810
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: Is that when the ad libs came?

811
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 6: When it got real thin, because that is.

812
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: There's nothing to block the ship.

813
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 6: When they put this ship, that's how you show it up.

814
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: But look what they just did. He was probably saying

815
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 2: it the whole time, but them big old juicy lips

816
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: was it.

817
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 6: Was getting in the way.

818
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: I like to think he wrote man in the mirror

819
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: before and he tried to sing it and he was like, no,

820
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 3: he's got ready.

821
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: But it was the Blues Lips, Baby, you want to

822
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: say them boys thin.

823
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 6: As a razor.

824
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: We don't realize it was for the art.

825
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 6: That's like Rocky being like, cut, I can't do it right.

826
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 6: You got to take some juice out.

827
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: I got it. I love that that. This was all

828
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: just a beautiful effort towards making better music.

829
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, in the early.

830
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: Because I do like those That ship was so good

831
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: in the early nineties.

832
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: Uh, he got multiple rhino plastic's chin augmentation again and

833
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: breast implants, which he later removed. I think I think

834
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: they say breast. I imagine it was more chest than

835
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: okay context to with huge titties.

836
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: I don't think. Just a couple of days, you know,

837
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: see what it was hitting on banking at like it

838
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: he got rid over. I thought breastfeed I thought.

839
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 6: With the big titties out, that would be that would

840
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 6: be crazy.

841
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: That would be crazy. Was that the You're not alone?

842
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: He really abandoned that. Bob fast, it's not good. I

843
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: think we talked about it on here before that was

844
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: not We started to talk about and then you distracted

845
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: us with tiny Have you ever seen Michael Jackson's nipples?

846
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: That's right, have you? Yes? Yeah, I feel like I've

847
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: seen him.

848
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: Olivia smart, I'm sorry, Olivia's shown us pictures Michael Jackson

849
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: with titties.

850
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 6: Showing it.

851
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: But I'm excited Mike and a brown man like it's

852
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: supposed to No.

853
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 6: I got I'm sorry. Continue though we're talking about the bob.

854
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 1: He got his bob. But in the meantime, he also

855
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties got a facelift and Talx injections.

856
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: Believe I don't believe it. In the nineties he.

857
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: All late nineties he got more rhino plastics and a

858
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: skin graft to repair damage from lupus. Okay, see, okay,

859
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: I am saying that picture now, and it does suck.

860
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: You're right, it's tough.

861
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: And then in the two thousands he got additional skin

862
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: grafts and laser treatments, and then, of course, in two

863
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: thousand and nine he died from cardiac arrest from taking

864
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: all that propothal.

865
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: I feel like the two thousands we weren't really seeing

866
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: him as much visually in court, Yeah, of almost suburban

867
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: and stuff, right, that was the two thousands, a lot.

868
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: Of umbrellas, a lot of a lot of face masks.

869
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: He was early and.

870
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 3: But but but compared to how exposed he was before,

871
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: Like we watched him kind of our lifetime is watching

872
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: him go, I think and further inside.

873
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: I think he went through so many sort of like

874
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: heartbreaks just with like the the accusations around obviously the

875
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: him being you know, a sex criminal, but then additionally

876
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: like the ship with his kids and like getting sort

877
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: of exposed for whatever those weird relationships were, all the

878
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: civil trials, he was facing down all the weird like then.

879
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: Remember there was a period where he had started like

880
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: suing his company, his record label for racial injustice, and

881
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: he had like linked up with Johnny Cochrane trying to

882
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: like recoup funds off of what he claimed was them

883
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: trying to tank his career. Like I think he was

884
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: so disillusioned with the world that you had to put

885
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: an umbrella up and go inside.

886
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: He had Johnny Cochrane first, though he had Johnny Cochran

887
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: before oj oh, he was before OJH. Yeah, he might

888
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: have gave Number whoa n art back in the nineties.

889
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: Johnny Cockran was on board and then either Johnny Coger

890
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 2: had to leave or they settled or whatever. Yeah, Johnny

891
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: Cocker left and then they settled. There's something Johnny Coger

892
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: don't take no ls, you know what I'm saying. So

893
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: then yeah, but then then when OJ got away, Johnny

894
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 2: cogre and it was like he got lawyer to the stars.

895
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: That's crazy. If that's the that's who OJ called. I

896
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: don't know if that's I'm just saying, Mike.

897
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: I need a number.

898
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 6: One man, I could call.

899
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: Oh, Johnny, I wouldn't give you this number, but I

900
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 2: heard you had a glove on, so you know, gloves

901
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: got to stick together.

902
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: Man.

903
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: You believe that was his real voice. I do not believe. No,

904
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: that wasn't his voice. No, we've heard, yeah, we've heard

905
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: his real voice. Man.

906
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that in the recordings for the video game.

907
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, that Box game.

908
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it was.

909
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: The game.

910
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: They have to lost files of him Ready to Rumble.

911
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: I wish they had told us that was him. You know,

912
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean arguments I had in school. It ain't no

913
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: real Michael Jackson voice. You don't even know about Ready

914
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: to rumble.

915
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: It was really him? That's crazy, nuts because I think

916
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: they couldn't advertise it. I think Michael Jackson was in

917
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: such hot water at the time. I don't think they

918
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: could really advertise that it was him in the game.

919
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought that's why he changed his voice. Yeah.

920
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, out of respect to what y'all

921
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: got going, and you're still going to represent me, I'll

922
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: give you my voice, I'll change it.

923
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 5: I'll just give you a different Michael Jackson.

924
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: He made some of the songs for Sonic. I didn't

925
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: know that original one of the like like, yeah, the

926
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: same video game, video game Crazy produce some someer Sonic Underwater.

927
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: That was crazy. Man, that was good.

928
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: That's really hang out to just listen to the song

929
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 3: and he starts tapping his foot and he puts his hand.

930
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: On They were still from music though. Back in those days.

931
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: They you know, it's like the wiwid Wess. Nobody was

932
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: protecting IP in the sixteen bit forms, so it's like, yeah,

933
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 2: there's some songs just like man, this let's sound familiar

934
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: and it was just taking stuff that sucks.

935
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's also pretty cool. I don't know, pretty

936
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: cool some of some of legal uh and I say

937
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: this fully being a person who I hope doesn't get

938
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: all of his proper propriety ideas whatever stolen. I I

939
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: really don't like the laws around like fair use. I

940
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: really feel like you made some ship I should be

941
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: able to just I want to put your song in

942
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: my thing and I don't want to.

943
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 5: Have to ask for it.

944
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: And I know that's not nice, right, but I guess

945
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 2: just to prevent people from just totally jacking your song

946
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: and just you know, and I think on it and

947
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: then it's like, nah, it's my song.

948
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: I think there should be laws around that. I think

949
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: that's crazy. If you made something, it should be yours,

950
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: and it should you should be paid properly for that, right.

951
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: I just hate that the way that artists are forced

952
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: to make their money is by having to manage all

953
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: existence of their song anywhere, right, rather than you just

954
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: getting paid off of the greatness of something you made

955
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: and then anybody can throw it on their fucking DVD

956
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: because it's a great song and we can all appreciate

957
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: that you got paid properly.

958
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 2: For it, right, right, Yeah, But that's never gonna happen.

959
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: And that's my problem is that fair use is just

960
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: us being punished for you all being snakes with the

961
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: very artists you claim to represent.

962
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 2: That's real, that's real. But I mean, like it sucks now,

963
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: Like I feel like this generation I hear, I see,

964
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, being that I received so much Michael Jackson stuff.

965
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: I get into Michael Jackson versus Prince stuff all the time.

966
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: There's so many people that don't have knowledge of prints

967
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: because he was so protective of his ip online from

968
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: the mid two thousands basically until he died, and so

969
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: there's so much Prince stuff that that people didn't discover.

970
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: There's so many people that don't have knowledge of prints.

971
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: They're like, why would you even compare these two? But

972
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: part of that is because they don't even know how

973
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: like crazy Prince was going in the eighties. They don't

974
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: know about a lot of his music. They don't know

975
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: about a lot, you know, a lot of his influence

976
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: and all of that. And it's like, you know, but

977
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: part of that was because he was so tight, Like

978
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: if you had a baby dance in the nineteen ninety nine,

979
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: he'd pull it down. You know what I'm saying.

980
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: If y'all heard about the Prince documentary, oh, they pulled

981
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: it right.

982
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: The State pulled it.

983
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Netflix basically commissions this documentary from the same

984
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: dude who made the OJ documentary, the one that.

985
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 2: Was like this. So it's.

986
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: It's like it's not like a puff piece, it's like

987
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: a no. This was like a true deep dive. And

988
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: apparently I learned all this on the daily. But apparently

989
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: he went to the vault because that's how they they basically,

990
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, Netflix got the rights to what was in

991
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: the vault, and so they went to him and were like,

992
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: we're giving you all his ship, go in the vault,

993
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: go ahead and make the documentary. He goes in the vault.

994
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: He's like, bro, all the meaningful shit has been scrubbed.

995
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: That like, Prince was so on top of it in

996
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 1: terms of keeping it private. He scrubbed anything that would

997
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: have been like a sort of casual moment or anything

998
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: that was like caught off guard, ass Prince.

999
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: It just is all clean.

1000
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: Photos and shiny shit, right Yeah, And so he's pissed

1001
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: because like, this sucks. I've been I got access to

1002
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: the vault and it still sucks. I'm never gonna learn

1003
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: about this dude. And he goes on a six year

1004
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: mission talking to every single person who considered themselves in

1005
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: any way shape form close to Prince, who will talk

1006
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: to him, and truly makes what they described in the

1007
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Daily as a masterpiece of a documentary about this dude,

1008
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: really exploring like most of his childhood, unpacking all of

1009
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: this trauma that created the character, like really like digging

1010
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: into relationships and his sort of like abuses and also

1011
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: like the abuse that he put out, like all kinds

1012
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: of shit unpacked. And then the family the estate saw

1013
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: it and was like, we gave them seventeen pages worth

1014
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: of notes, being like we don't want this in there,

1015
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: We don't want that in there. That can't exist. Nobody

1016
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: needs to know about this, blah blah blah blah blah.

1017
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: And he was like, yo, I can give you like

1018
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: a taste, but I can't. I can't lie about what

1019
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: I've discovered. And then the Netflix and them were just

1020
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: like fine, then they don't never exist and they it's gone.

1021
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: Somebody got it, somebody, somebody, somebody got it. That might

1022
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: be my new mission to get the freaking Prince. Doc.

1023
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: Bro, I have mixed feelings about it, if I'm being

1024
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: honest with you, really, yeah, yeah, A part of me

1025
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: is like, well, obviously I want to see the documentary.

1026
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm such a massive Prince fan. It would mean the

1027
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: world to me to know more about this person. But

1028
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: I also think he did it. He beat the fucking game.

1029
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: Bro.

1030
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 6: That's what I was thinking, is you were describing it,

1031
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 6: I was like, damn, he got away clean.

1032
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: He set out to keep his world private despite being

1033
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: arguably the most talented human being that's ever walked the

1034
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: face of the earth.

1035
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1036
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm going to leave this world with

1037
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: you knowing nothing about me, and.

1038
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: He did it.

1039
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he If you can do.

1040
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: That, you deserve that privacy. You deserve to go into

1041
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: whatever after life exists for you knowing that you beat

1042
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: the game, instead of this other version of the game

1043
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: where like a person dies and then we dig through

1044
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: all their ship and go Ain't.

1045
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: Just crazy He had this the whole time. Yeah, that's

1046
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: what I didn't know about that. Oh no, he could

1047
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: still have his privacy. I'm not gonna tell nobody. I

1048
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: just want to see it. You just need nobody, nobody

1049
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: else gotta know. Yeah, I just want to see it.

1050
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: I think the hard part is there are one billion

1051
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: people on the planet you who feel the same way

1052
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: I won't do it nobody.

1053
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna clip it, I ain't gonna make no content.

1054
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm just gonna see it,

1055
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: and you know, I ain't gonna talk about it and

1056
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: let somebody else see it. There we go, that's somebody

1057
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: else side. Then we have a conversation lest love had

1058
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: to see it.

1059
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: Yo, you see that there's no one they call you,

1060
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: they go, they gonna rob We're gonna do a private

1061
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: screening just you, no one else. We're gonna let you

1062
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: watch the Prince documentary. You watch the entire Prince documentary,

1063
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: you of tears in your eyes by the end of it.

1064
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: It is that meaningful to you too at this moment.

1065
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: And then you walk out of that documentary. You go

1066
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: back to your home, you go back to your wife.

1067
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way in the world that while y'all

1068
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: are brushing your teeth late at night, you don't go

1069
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: the documentary was pretty crazy.

1070
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would tell my girl, you're.

1071
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Gonna you're gonna tell somebody.

1072
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: I know, I'm gonna tell my wife. She can't even

1073
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: testify me. Don't know that.

1074
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: Man, There's no way your wife isn't going back to

1075
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: her very challenging job and then being like, what were y'all.

1076
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: Up to this weekend?

1077
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: I do much, but I'm gonna tell you I've got

1078
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: to see that Princeton. Yeah, everything is gonna it's it's

1079
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: gonna become public knowledge.

1080
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 5: This never states private.

1081
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 3: You mean that being said? How many people worked on it?

1082
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: There's like a lot of people have seen it, I'm

1083
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: sure on the documentary. Yeah, I bet a lot of

1084
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 3: people have seen it, but ed there's like the whole

1085
01:01:58,880 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: I bet a lot of it.

1086
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: A lot of what it is we know now because

1087
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: just of word of mouth that he was both controlling

1088
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: and abusive and complicated. Is ultimately what it all shows

1089
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: is that like he was abused, was put out of

1090
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: his childhood home at twelve by his mom, then at

1091
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: fourteen by his dad.

1092
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Speaker 2: He truly had to get it, was he when they

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Speaker 2: found him in that park.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. He had to get it out

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Speaker 1: the mud at like seventeen.

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Speaker 2: A crazy Yeah, I assume he just played the album

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Speaker 2: for his parents and they were like, well, you don't

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Speaker 2: need to go to college. No, yo, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: His mom was like apparently super like cold and like

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Speaker 1: and their relationship was toxic, but then he moved in

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Speaker 1: with his dad, who he loved and admired. But his

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Speaker 1: dad was hello religious, Yeah, would like beat the shit

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Speaker 1: out of him, even a cover of Hends. But that's

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Speaker 1: also part of what they claim makes the documentary so masterful,

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01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: is that all these songs that you thought were about

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01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: sex and sexuality are actually like just hammered with this

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01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: duality where it's also about like a person struggling to

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01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: find community, a person struggling to like to place their

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01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: identity in a world that has rejected them from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like it creates like all these fucking layers

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01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: for who the human is. But also he didn't want

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Speaker 1: us to know. And I kind of respect that he

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01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: figured out a way to keep that so quiet. Crazy

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01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: that Minnesota is the backdrop for all this the whole time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I respect it. I do feel like the

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01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: reason his estate is protecting this is not for him,

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: not for this him, but just because it might affect

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Speaker 2: the bottom line. There might be some people that are like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to play Prince music anymore, knowing certain

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01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: things and that's all they care about. You, You know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, like Prince Music was U title only that's

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 2: the reason that I had titled The Minute He Died.

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Speaker 2: We go into train station, it's Spotify ads for Prince

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: all over the train stations. Like you know what I'm saying,

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01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: Like they just some people in that camp just out

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Speaker 2: to make a book. You know, it does feel it.

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Speaker 3: Is very disheartening, Like when you go to the Minneapolis

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Speaker 3: airport and there's that Prince store. Yeah, you're damn if

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 3: there was some shit he would have hated it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't want this. He didn't want that at all.

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01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: And the documentarian talks about it in the interview that

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: I listened to. He talks a lot about how like

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01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: even going to Paisley Park, it's not like you're being

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: informed on who Prince is. It truly is just a

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: big gift shop. Like it they've turned it into like

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01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: a fucking, you know, rock cafe for Prince. More than

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: it is like a real testament to like his ever

1138
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: changing positions on like the world, on responsibility, the nigga

1139
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: died at Jehovah's witness, It's not even like one of

1140
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: the numbers how many there's one hundred and sixty thousand

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01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's something crazy you the proud. No,

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01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we're you're not even given the chance to

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01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: get to know who he is based off of the estate,

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: even regardless of like what becomes the more complicated details

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01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: of his past. It won't even give you a chance

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01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: to do basic knowledge on what prince who prince was.

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: And so in that way, it is disheartening where you go. No,

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01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: I think it would be really good for us as

1149
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: humans to know that our heroes can again be these

1150
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: complicated figures and still valuable. That said, I also respect

1151
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: that my hero really pulled a fast one on us,

1152
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: and I gotta say, big up, man, you did it.

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01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: I can argule it with that. I do. I do,

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, when you put it that way, I do

1155
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: feel like that is ill. And yeah, I was looking

1156
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: forward to, like, now we're going to your stuff. Yeah,

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01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: I think that's the you know, the better way to

1158
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,919
Speaker 2: just yeah, chalk it up to the game.

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01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: Man.

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01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: Man, man, he might be the last one we know,

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01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: because I don't think a lot of people win that hundred.

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's really I don't think a lot

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01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: of people win that Daniel d Lewis him. He's still alive.

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeahs still us. We don't know. He might, he might,

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01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: he might slap somebody. I don't know where he's at.

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: He keeps it pretty private. Yeah, we'll see he met it.

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Speaker 2: Who are playing next?

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Frank Ocean kind of? But

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01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: he got messy friends, so we've been learning. Yeah, it's

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: about him every once in a while. Yeah, I don't know, man,

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01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of of the privates left so.

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01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: And I hate to say this on this medium. A

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: lot of that is because podcasting. Yeah, no, we're for

1174
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: sure too much.

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01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: How much of this is just gossip?

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01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 5: Well you just come on here and gossip.

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Speaker 2: Oh I thought you knew. We just got I just

1178
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: don't see it. I think we did it.

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01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,959
Speaker 1: I think it was like I think certainly, I still

1180
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: believe Michael Jackson got a lot more surgeries than you do.

1181
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: But I do I guess if I may, I do

1182
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: think there may be is a more complicated reasoning behind

1183
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: the surgeries than just self hatred the way that it's

1184
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: often been right.

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Speaker 2: It's I've been painted this this man wanted to be

1186
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: white man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't see it. Like

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01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: more complicated.

1188
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's definitely more complicated than you may never.

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01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: Spun like he's I tried. I tried a lot of spinning.

1190
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: I gotta scar my chair, try to do the smooth

1191
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: criminal lean, not knowing that like, yeah, you know what

1192
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was shoo technology. I just thought, if

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01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 2: you change your calves the right way, you know what

1194
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you can get back up and then about.

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: That man to the floor and yeah, gotta be strong though. Yeah, yeah,

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01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a bunch of us that even with

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Speaker 1: that technology wouldn't come closer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly not right through them special shoot yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I supposed the whole trick to the world. Zion a

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01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: hole in them.

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Speaker 1: There's no way in the world, Rob, could you tell

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01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: the people where they can find you?

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01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: You can find me? Uh. I'm on the Inconsistent Podcast

1204
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 2: of Rob Hayes comes out when it's ready. Uh yeah,

1205
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,799
Speaker 2: you know it's in consistent in branding and in nature.

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: I do the end season podcast with my boy Jamel Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Also watch Little keV. Yeah, also fronting out now. It's

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Speaker 2: on all streaming platforms. It's an album. It's also especially

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Speaker 2: you can watch on YouTube be like watching people talk.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, oh yeah, go watch rob Go, Go listen

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Speaker 1: to rob Go.

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Speaker 2: Watch this shit? What you got?

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Speaker 6: Cool guy?

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Speaker 3: Joke City seven on Instagram, Patreon dot com, dock slash

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Speaker 3: David Bori by my special Birth of a Nation.

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Speaker 2: It's the best special I've ever had.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's objectively true. I want to say that every

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Speaker 2: special I like that.

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01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,240
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