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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: williamsonshow on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson except no imitations. And this is the start

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Speaker 2: of hour number two of the Drive here and do

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Speaker 2: a little fantasy football focus and Matt Mike Clay has

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Speaker 2: broken down the fantasy season in terms of who has

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Speaker 2: the easiest and who has the hardest opponents for the season. Oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: who you should upgrade, who you should downgrade based on

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Speaker 2: who they play, where they play, when they play, all

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Speaker 2: that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Okay. I think it's a valuable tool. I personally don't

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Speaker 3: get too crazy with that when I start doing my ranks,

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Speaker 3: but I'd definitely like to refer back to it, you know.

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Speaker 2: So, according to Clay, the team with the easiest fantasy

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Speaker 2: schedule this year is the Arizona Cardinal.

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Speaker 3: Really, okay, So I assume he's just looking at collective

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Speaker 3: defenses and what they project out to and all those

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Speaker 3: type of things.

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Speaker 2: So they get the forty nine Ers twice, the Jaguars,

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys, the Bengals, the Panthers, Saints, Falcons, and Titans.

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Speaker 3: There's a handful of good ones in there, right, no Ques,

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Speaker 3: I mean the soft ones.

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Speaker 2: The only top ten projected defense they will face this

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Speaker 2: season is Houston.

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Speaker 3: Wow, only one top ten? Yeah, okay, I mean they

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Speaker 3: really only have a couple real fantasy relevant players to me.

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Speaker 2: But Kyler Murray maybe maybe if you're looking at him

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Speaker 2: in that mid round, you're like, it's either Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: Or Baker Mayfield. Yeah, maybe you.

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Speaker 2: Go Kyler Murray in that situation, is because that breaks

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Speaker 2: the tie. James Connor another example there that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I forget what list we were talking about earlier

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Speaker 3: this week. I thought man Connor's always underrated this time

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Speaker 3: of year, Like he's hitting this wall and hasn't yet.

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Speaker 2: This defensive schedule, slate of teams, I'm like, that's pretty

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Speaker 2: are some of the worst rush defenses in the league

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Speaker 2: last year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Kyler in particular, I might bump up two spots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trey McBride's going to go high no matter what.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I'm not ready to put him

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Speaker 3: over Bowers, but I'm not gonna He's still sticking to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we'll see where's Marvin Harrison. I

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Speaker 2: mean they got some dudes there, Yeah, they do, they do.

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Speaker 2: But if you're you know, if you're looking at somebody

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Speaker 2: and you have them rated close and you're like looking

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Speaker 2: at it and like I'm a great tiebreaker, that's a

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Speaker 2: great tiebreaker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Other teams with favorable fantasy schedules, Well, again it's there's

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Speaker 2: some teams on here with not a lot of offensive firepower.

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Speaker 2: The Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 3: Well, there are going to be last place teams right

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Speaker 3: and there you know there's a ripple effect you didn't have. Okay,

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Speaker 3: the Seahawks and the Saints, who not the best teams

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Speaker 3: you want to hear. But I'm warming up to Kenneth

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Speaker 3: Walker in a big way. I think the Saints offensive

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Speaker 2: I think Cuba Hubbard's going to be a guy that's

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Speaker 2: vastly underrated and fantasy drafts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe Tech McMillan gets a little boost. You know,

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Speaker 3: I haven't been targeting him in the draft.

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Speaker 2: But would you target would you target young as a

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Speaker 2: backup with some other side game?

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Speaker 3: Like is he is he or Donald a top twenty

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Speaker 2: You know, like somebody Young that's kind of a breakout

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Speaker 2: back last year.

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Speaker 3: I say it got a lot better in the end. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and guys like Cocher Solid.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like if I'm if I'm deciding between Young

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Speaker 3: I would probably take Young.

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Speaker 2: If I'm deciding between Young and I don't know, Pennix, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, probably still a low end backup though, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but there's some upside there. There is. There

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Speaker 3: is trying to think that there's a change of tune

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be a tough situation.

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Speaker 3: Think I would rather have Darnold or Young, Yeah, or

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Speaker 3: The only game in town. He's gonna get a lot

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Speaker 3: they're playing a lot of the same defenses there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Teams with the toughest fantasy schedules, the toughest one the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Mhmm, okay, I mean I just expect shootouts galore from them.

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Speaker 3: Maybe its gonna be a little tougher fledding than you think.

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Speaker 2: They face one defense projected to finish in the bottom

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Speaker 2: ten of the league this year. That's the Jaguars. They

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Speaker 2: have six games against top six defenses, the Steelers twice,

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Speaker 2: the Vikings, the Broncos, the Lions, and the Patriots. They

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Speaker 2: also have to play they have to play the Ravens twice. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's eight games or they're gonna play pretty tough defenses.

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Speaker 3: Absolute. I also worry. The thing that comes to mind

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Speaker 3: with that one is the wear and tear on Burrow's body.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's had a hard time staying healthy. They

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Speaker 3: might lead the league in past attempts. Defense isn't gonna

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Speaker 3: help him at all. He doesn't get hit a lot,

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Speaker 2: Other teams that have difficult fantasy schedules the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 2: and the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 3: Hmm. Now, I wouldn't change my tune on Lamar or

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Speaker 2: They are who they are.

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Speaker 3: I actually think Andrews is a value at this point, but.

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Speaker 2: His flowers being overdrafted a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you don't take a wide receiver five on

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Speaker 3: you're torn between Lamar and Allen, you take Allan. You know.

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Speaker 3: I mean I like the players, but where's the ball

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Speaker 3: gonna go? Actually like both their tight ends, but Craft's

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Speaker 3: tougher sledding, I remember saying a couple of days ago

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Speaker 3: these are good to know the I don't care about

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Speaker 3: the tenth hardest schedule, right, that does w Yeah? I

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Speaker 2: Three or who was playing the most.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, I mean the two that he mentioned,

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Speaker 3: since he is the hardest, Arizona is the easiest. They

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that like Jamar Chase isn't gonna have

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Speaker 3: Of course, But but he costs you a first round pick, right,

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Speaker 2: Be some games where it's like, oh, it wasn't quite

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Speaker 2: fifty nine. That's not what I expect out of my

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Speaker 3: Or maybe Bengals games are going to lean towards the

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Speaker 2: See teams playing keep away against him this year and

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Speaker 2: just let's just run the ball.

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Speaker 3: Just run the ball like crazy. Yeah, I think their

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Speaker 3: defense might be the worst league.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you heard the Hendrickson news. But I

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Speaker 3: guess they offered him twenty eight million per Florio and

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Speaker 3: he wasn't real thrilled with it because I think they

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Speaker 3: haven't treated him well.

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Speaker 3: It's the little I think we lowe thought it'd be thirty's.

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Speaker 2: That's low balling him to his degree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's actually like what TJ's making now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and there's a tier there that he deserves a little more.

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Speaker 3: It's well below Garrett and some of those others. But

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Speaker 2: He's not.

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Speaker 3: I can get what Parsons gets. But I was shocked

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Speaker 3: at they even But Crosby's making thirty five, right, right, right,

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Speaker 3: I thought thirty will be where he's he lands, maybe

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Speaker 2: Probably he's probably looking at what Crosby's making.

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Speaker 3: And going up.

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Speaker 2: Our sack numbers aren't very different. Yeah, we're pretty much

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Speaker 2: the same guy. We're the only we're the only game

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Speaker 3: I bet their age isn't that much.

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Speaker 2: It's not that much different. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I just led to the league in sacks and was

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Speaker 3: of the way that he's not as interested in hearing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's the that's the conundrum that

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Speaker 2: you have with those things, like that's why those kind

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Speaker 2: bid on it is three point fifty. The owners might

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Speaker 2: just say, I'm not selling it to this guy, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and makes you wonder though, Widen the Bengals do

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Speaker 3: this a month and a half ago. They're timing with contracts.

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Speaker 3: Isn't really all that great? Yeah, he doesn't need to

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Speaker 2: In terms of the positional upgrades and downgrades, now, this

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Speaker 2: on the low end of that or has the most

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Speaker 2: difficult schedule in terms of the teams that they face

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Speaker 2: in the quarterback, what they give up to the quarterback,

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Speaker 2: it's twenty eighth, the twenty eighth most difficult or fifth

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Speaker 2: most difficulties. Thirty thirty two is the hardest, twenty third

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Speaker 2: against running backs, sixteen against wide receivers, and twelve against

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Speaker 2: tight ends. If you're looking at this from a Steeler standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Twenty second against quarterbacks, Yeah, it's tough, but not brutal.

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Speaker 2: Twenty ninth in terms of what the what the running

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Speaker 2: Playing good run defenses or teams that don't give up

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Speaker 2: a lot of points to the running.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, which includes catches and sounds right right.

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Speaker 2: Fourteenth against wide receivers and fifth against tight ends.

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Speaker 2: Keep that in mind. The team that faces the easiest

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Speaker 3: He didn't think I'd own Judy anyway.

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Speaker 2: Number one? What else we got our receivers the Rams?

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Speaker 3: Which works out perfect for that, works out great. Probably

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Speaker 3: So basically of this I did not see that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: At quarterback Tom Brady, the honorable mention is Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 2: So they have Brady's career PFF grade at ninety eight

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Speaker 3: At running back twenty five years, twenty five years, Derrick

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Speaker 2: PFF grade. And Tyreek Hill is the third ninety three

439
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 2: point eight honorable mention.

440
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 3: Calvin Johnson Okay, I'm not good with my timeline of

441
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: how far to go back. I I guess that's definitely

442
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: what within the last twenty five years. I mean it's

443
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: in the two thousands. Larry didn't make it, didn't make it.

444
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: Those four all are above Larry to me. Tyreek's another

445
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 3: one that's even Like last offseason, I thought on the

446
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: all time receiver list, he doesn't get listed enough amongst

447
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 3: the top five or six. I mean, he keeps defensive

448
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: coordinators up at night to no end.

449
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: So here's the weird thing about this, and I'm looking

450
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: here in the Tyreek thing. He broke Coolio jonesf PFF

451
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: record for receiving grade in the season by delivering a

452
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: ninety three point eight mark. Well, here's the thing. Julio

453
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Jones is a ninety four point eight career PFF grade

454
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: and Antonio Brown's at ninety four point nine. So how

455
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: was that the Maybe do.

456
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 3: They add a little for blocking or ball carrying or

457
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: I don't. I never understand the math of their grades,

458
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: to be honest.

459
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: With you, his for example. So here's what they said.

460
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: Brown is the highest graded receiver wide receiver in the

461
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 2: PFF ERA, doing so as the ultimate target earner across

462
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: his twelve NFL seasons, with the highest career target rate

463
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: twenty seven point one percent of the one hundred and eighty

464
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: one qualifying wide receiver since two thousand and six. So

465
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: that's when they apparently started six. In twenty fifteen, Brown

466
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: was the first player in PFF era to see more

467
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: than two hundred targets in a season playoffs included. He

468
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: delivered nineteen hundred and fifty three yards in the highest

469
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: PFF receiving grade in the season. At the time, it

470
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: was ninety two point six. Brown ranks in the top

471
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: five at his position since two thousand and six in

472
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: career yards per route run at two point four or

473
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: five yards after the catch, forty nine and three yards

474
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: after the catch, and overall receiving yards thirteen thousand, two

475
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: hundred and nine.

476
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: Do you said he had a career route run or

477
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: yards for route run of two point.

478
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: Five two point four five?

479
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 3: Wow? For the career over two is good? Yeah? Two

480
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: real good. Yeah.

481
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: And that includes his rookie that includes.

482
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: His last year, last couple of years, yeah, Sampa. Wow,

483
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: pretty significant, pretty significant. At tight end, it's gotta be

484
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: Gronker Kelsey. It's Rob Gronkowski. The honorable mention, however, is

485
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: George Kittle. They must factor in blocking a fair amount,

486
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: which I don't know any qualms with left tackle.

487
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: Trent Williams, He's the honorable mention.

488
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 3: I don't think it's Tyron Smith. Joe Thomas, Oh, good one. Okay.

489
00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: The left guard Logan Mankins. The honorable mention is Evan Mathis.

490
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: He had a really good career.

491
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: Center.

492
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Kelsey.

493
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: They're going Nick Mangold.

494
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: I love Nick Mangold.

495
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: Kelsey is the honorable mention. Okay, Remember they hate Pouncy.

496
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 3: I knew pounce wasn't gonna make it.

497
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, right guard Jona Blank Marshall yonda.

498
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: I think he should go to the Hall of Fame.

499
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 2: The honorable mention is Zach Martin.

500
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Strong, I'm gonna go with Lane Johnson at right tackle.

501
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: Lane Johnson is the right tackle. The honorable mention is

502
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: Mitchell Schwartz.

503
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: Hm. I wouldn't come up with that, but it makes sense. Quality,

504
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 3: long career. It sounds like longevity definitely matters. Yeah, you know,

505
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 3: they're the cumulative lifetime type.

506
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: Grade interior defensive players.

507
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 3: Donald might be their number one player of anyone listed.

508
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: He's the highest graded defensive player in the pf F ERA.

509
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: I bet yeah, Aaron Donald. I think JJ Watts like

510
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: right behind him. Call him interior end or what they're

511
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: gonna call him. They call him an interior defender as well.

512
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: Their honorable mention and they only pick one is Chris Jones.

513
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: Jones.

514
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Chris Jones, and this was something

515
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: that they had a thing earlier this week and I

516
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: read we haven't gone over it, and but the top

517
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: players over thirty right now, and they listed Jones's second

518
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: or whatever Yeah, he's like thirty two. Cam Hayward's on

519
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: the list, and he's like six or seventh on the list.

520
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: And they said that Hayward was the only guy to

521
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: rank in the top five in pass defense or pass

522
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: rush and run defense this past season or pretty much

523
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: in any season. Yeah, that's like Chris Jones is a

524
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: very good pass run no doubt. Cam Hayward runs circles

525
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: around him as a run defense.

526
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: He does, he does. I would wait pass rush more.

527
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: I get it.

528
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: It's harder to find, but you but they're.

529
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: Very close in the pass rush area.

530
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: I bet.

531
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both a handful.

532
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: And they're both a handful of Jones is better and

533
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: more diverse. But if you'll mind up outside the teas.

534
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: But if we're measuring Hayward's run defense against Jones run defense,

535
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: it's a big It's not particularly close. He doesn't give

536
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: a whole lot of effort in that.

537
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: No, and he's can be a little more situational than

538
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: damn two. Yeah, he also played more leads j.

539
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helps edge defenders.

540
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Garrett and Watt.

541
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: They went von Miller and Garrett. Okay, the honorable mention

542
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: is Khalil Mack. What doesn't make it at all?

543
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: Those guys are all really good.

544
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: They're all really good. I get it.

545
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: And Von Miller and the he his powers was incredible,

546
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: as was Mac and Max had done it in a

547
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: long time and still putting up million numbers.

548
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Miller has one hundred and thirty nine sacks in thirteen season.

549
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: Okay, what has played?

550
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: What eight?

551
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: He's over one hundred.

552
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: He's already. Yeah, he's got one hundred four. He's gonna

553
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: he's gonna blow past Von Miller?

554
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: Is what the best sacks per year guy in NFL history?

555
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Yes?

556
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: I thought so, Yeah, I know he's better in Garrett.

557
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: He's sacks per game. I should say he's.

558
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a better way looking at sacks for years.

559
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: I'd rather break it down to the lowest comment.

560
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: On he is he is the highest sacks per game

561
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: in an NFL history period.

562
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: Okay, it says a lot. Yeah.

563
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: And he's also was the best graded edge rush or

564
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: edge defender against the run last.

565
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 3: Year they like, except PFF records last year for their

566
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: run his run defense last year.

567
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I don't know. I don't understandstand how.

568
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: I have no problem, but Yeah, those those three are

569
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: great players. They're great players, but he's every bit on

570
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: par with them. Yeah, that would be a tough one.

571
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: That'd be a tough one. Linebackers off ball, linebackers.

572
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: Ray Lewis in that era.

573
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: Ray Lewis is in that era.

574
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: I know Keiley like broke their charts one time. He's

575
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: an honorable mention as a past defender. Patrick Willis, Willis

576
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: to say, Warner has to be close to and Bobby

577
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: Wagner the So what they do? Take two and then.

578
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: Willison, Willis, and Lewis are the guys, and Bobby Wagner

579
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: and Luke Keekley are the honorable mentions. If you can

580
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: name two honorable mentions there, why couldn't you name it

581
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: honorable another?

582
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: Get one more edge and one more d tackle too,

583
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: Like right right, it was only three of them, but

584
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: there's four of those guys. Okay, cornerback Champ Bailey, Revis.

585
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: Champ Bailey is a honorable mention. Revis is one of

586
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: the one one of the three that they mentioned. The

587
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: other two are Richard Sherman and Antoine Winfield. Okay, I

588
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: don't think of Antoine Winfield or Richard Sherman yeah right,

589
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: all right, Daddy Champ Bailey's a Hall of Famer. Yeah yeah,

590
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: I bet we kill him with more names.

591
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that Sherman or Winfield.

592
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: Or Winfield won't be. Sherman will be. He's got a shot. Yeah,

593
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: brievous to me stands alone of those guys.

594
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, safety, this should be easy.

595
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Troy and Reid, they're not too old, right.

596
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: Troy and Reid. That got right in their wheelhouse.

597
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I say Lewis made it, so they're going

598
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: to both be in there. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's gotta

599
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: be the top two. Right.

600
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: Paula Malu finished with a ninety three point zero career

601
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: pff grade ed Reid was ninety two point three. So

602
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: now we know who's better.

603
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: Right, Imagine those two is playing together as opposed to

604
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: have to fight who's better.

605
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: Had that conversation many many times. I'd have to see

606
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: those two together on the same remark a lot. The

607
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: honorable mention another Raven Hamilton, No, Eric Weddle.

608
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't think of him as a raven. I might

609
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: have got if you said charger, but I mean he

610
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: bounced around a little at the end, but good career.

611
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: Not Troy and Ed a good player, but those two

612
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: were right. Wow, the.

613
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: Dawkins didn't make it.

614
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some safeties lately that have gotten in the

615
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. That's Lynch and Dawkins and Atwater and

616
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: some of those guys. Three yeah guys, but right, some

617
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: safeties I didn't think were super deserving of Hall of

618
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: Fame have made it lately.

619
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. The kicker Tucker.

620
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: No, is it your boy is Vinatharerry No, Matt Prater.

621
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: I wouldn't come up with that in one hundred years.

622
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: He's one of three kickers in the PFF era with

623
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: at least eighty field goal attempts of less than thirty

624
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: yards who never missed a kick in that range. It's

625
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: the only kicker to fit uh to have at least

626
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: ninety percent accuracy from thirty to thirty nine yards and

627
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: seventy five percent accuracy from forty yards and out. Although

628
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: Boswell is gonna be getting ptty damn plus to say

629
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: he can't be too. He's over eighty percent in his

630
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: career over fifty yards, eighty percent from fifty yards.

631
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: The last couple of years must have destroyed Tucker's case. Yeah,

632
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm glad it's not in the area though.

633
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: The punter.

634
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: Noon, no chance.

635
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: He's a very popular guy.

636
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: The talk shows.

637
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee.

638
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't know if he was even good. I

639
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: figured it wasn't terrible. He lasted in the league for

640
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: a while.

641
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm surprised it's him, though, because like uh, I was sinking,

642
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: Like Lekler was excellent long time. The Titans had the

643
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: guy that was.

644
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: I believe.

645
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: I can't think of his name now, but he was

646
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: really good. The Ravens guy for years was was.

647
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.

648
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: I can't think of it. They're all punters. I can't

649
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: think of their name.

650
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: I really show my weakness with kickers and punters, especially punters. Yeah,

651
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: but there's been some cook right, Yeah, that's yeah. I

652
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: didn't want to mispronounce that one. But he was.

653
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a really solid punter.

654
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: He lasted a really long time. They had great special

655
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: teams for a very long time.

656
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but McAfee's the guy that they picked.

657
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: I wouldn't I didn't know if he was one of

658
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: the best or not.

659
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: He has the he's the highest graded punter in the

660
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: PFF air. I don't even know how the grade punters

661
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: I don't by a significant margin.

662
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how the great kickers I mean go

663
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: through the uprights or not.

664
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Speaker 2: We talked about that last year, right weird. Yeah, the

665
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: next closest player being aj Cole.

666
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: N The six point gap between him is the largest

668
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: of any position on this list.

669
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Speaker 3: So McAfee is the best at any position.

670
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, McAfee's four point five His four

671
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: point four five to four average hangtime on six hundred

672
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: eleven qualifying punts top five mark all time. You're kicking indoors.

673
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: Kicking indoors, that's a lot easier to do in Tennessee,

674
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: in Houston and Jacksonville, no question. Kickers and pinters weather Matt, Yeah,

675
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: all things are not equal, not even close. I mean

676
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: even like Ben versus Breeze isn't the same, right, But

677
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: it's really different when you talk about kickers.

678
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But interesting list. No long snappers, No long snappers,

679
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: no special team players.

680
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: I thought they might have a special team. No fullbacks,

681
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: no fullbacks. Okay, what else are we missing? True nose tackles.

682
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: That's a different world. You know.

683
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: The league. One of the things they did, and we

684
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: talked about this at the at the owners meetings when

685
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: we were down in Palm Beach. They actually have come

686
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: up now they are going to officially have an offensive

687
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: lineman award.

688
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I talked about a different podcasts, right.

689
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: They could come up with. First of all, I'd like

690
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: to see them split the offensive line award because it's

691
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: going to be a left tackle every year.

692
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: I thought about that too.

693
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: Like, okay, just name it the best offensive tackle I

694
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: could see. I could see pena Seoul winning it or

695
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: something like that.

696
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be a tackle. It's going to be

697
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: a be Kelsey would have wanted a year or two ago.

698
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: Maybe Quenton Nelson would have won it five years ago.

699
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: Or you'd have to be very difficult because the tackles

700
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: get all.

701
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: The this exact same conversation, Like you'd have to be

702
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 3: Fanica Hutchinson, Larry Allen, Dirt Dawson clearly right, because it's

703
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: gonna go to Trent William Yeah, you know right.

704
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: So i'd like to see that one split into two outs.

705
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: You know, your edge, your tackle and interior.

706
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: Guys just like I mean, like they're they're almost they're

707
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 3: not the same.

708
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: All offensive linemen are not the same. I'd Also, if

709
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: you're going to do something like that, I would like

710
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: to see something for interior defensive lineman. They're those guys

711
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: never get any acclaim.

712
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you.

713
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: Very rarely see them mentioned as a defensive Player of

714
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: the Year type guy.

715
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: But PFF should have done that, Like give me a nose,

716
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: Give me a nose. You know a guy that's in

717
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: big time run stuff in grade that has two sacks

718
00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: a year.

719
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just isn't going to get the accolades. He's

720
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: never gonna He's not gonna. Casey Hampton made what like

721
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: two Pro Bowls his entire career. He was outstanding and

722
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: he did exactly his job and more, you know every time. Yeah,

723
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: but you know, there's it's a pretty thankless job. It's

724
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 2: a thankless job, and there's no awards for those guys.

725
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: If you are on the interior of the defensive her

726
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: offensive lines, there's no there are.

727
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: No accolades because you're not going to go to all pros.

728
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: It's one of the problems that you know, when I

729
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: was presenting Alan Fanica for the Hall of Fame stuff

730
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: that you like, there's there's no stats to go on,

731
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: there are no awards to go other than Pro Bowls

732
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: and All pros.

733
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: Like Hampton has no chance. I think will Fork will go.

734
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

735
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a tough case.

736
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if he does.

737
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: Cortez Kennedy went, but he was a bunch of Bryant

738
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: Young went, but they had more brat Young had eighty

739
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: sacks in his career. You know, they weren't just noses.

740
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 3: They were really really good run stuffers, but they were

741
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: more well rounded.

742
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'stuff, It's real tough. Anyways, that's going to do

743
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: it for this segment. He is the Matt Williamson. I

744
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on

745
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. That was

746
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: the pff NFL's best players of the past twenty five years.

747
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: A couple of Steelers on there. Probably should have been

748
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: at least maybe one more, at least an honorable mention.

749
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: Ye man couldn't put four edges on there.

750
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, all those guys are probably going to

751
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. But so is he?

752
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: Yeah so s Troy made it, ab made it. Yeah,

753
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: I think is everyone else your best?

754
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: That was it?

755
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: Okay, that was it. Boswell still could make a name

756
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: for himself.

757
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: He can make that push. He could definitely do that.

758
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: But let's get to the break. We'll be back to

759
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: finish up the show right after this.

760
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

761
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

762
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

763
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the

764
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt. The next time we get together,

765
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: Tuesday will be Tuesday for OTA's will actually get to

766
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: see some on the field football work and three hour

767
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: show though three hour show ten to one each of

768
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: those days, all three days in a row. I just

769
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: want to pull back the curtains on this a little bit.

770
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: We are not allowed to talk about what's going on

771
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: on the football field now. It may give us some

772
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: ideas of things we want to talk about.

773
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 3: Sure, and we can future shows things we've seen.

774
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: Once we get the training camp and things of that.

775
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: This we can talk about at all. But we'll also

776
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: get some player interviews at the OTA sessions.

777
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: We usually works out we get one per day. Once

778
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: in a while it's gets harry, but usually they can

779
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: pull them right up fract Field some down with us

780
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 3: and we Patrick Peterson that was a really memorable one. Yeah,

781
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: he was really well spoken.

782
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: Nicole Holkom.

783
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, his time the new guy.

784
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we will be joined for those sessions

785
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: by Wes Yuler ye uh. Tom off from him will

786
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: be sitting on Wednesday for Wes. Okay, uh, but well

787
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: there'll be a three man show, so we'll get to

788
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: have a little fun with Wes, who, quite frankly, is

789
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: pretty loud.

790
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: He's pretty loud. Yeah, they'll they'll hear him all the

791
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: way across the field. He'll be absolutely I just better

792
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: outdoors will be outdoors. We'll be right.

793
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: He'll kill the noise a little bit, a little bit

794
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: to bring the the energy level of him down.

795
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well we're pulling a substitute teacher for a little bit.

796
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have some fun.

797
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: Maybe.

798
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: As we mentioned with when we had Bob Labriola on,

799
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: maybe maybe we have Bob shit down with us. Maybe

800
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: gra yes or too milling about pretending to watch practice

801
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: lab sounds.

802
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: It sounded like he was semi interested for his regular

803
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: Wednesday Wednesday hit. Maybe join us, you know, yeah, yeah,

804
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: but it'll be a good time. It'll be good to

805
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: be outside. Remember the one year we were freezing. Oh yeah,

806
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: my buddy Ox was still next door from Pitt. I'm like,

807
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: you have a sweatshirt or something? Right, I was right

808
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 3: next to this one. I grabbed him like that that

809
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 3: one happened.

810
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: Might be the only pit sweatshirt I own.

811
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a ton.

812
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: I might have another one, yea, yeah, but that's the

813
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: only one I wear all the time. It fit me.

814
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: Well, it's perfect, right, you took care of us and

815
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: said dad, keep it. Yeah, right, nice, But it's nice

816
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 3: down there. I'm excited to see we are allowed to say,

817
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 3: like I mentioned body types, I'm gonna say things like that. Yeah,

818
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: but you're not gonna.

819
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: Be like, yeah, we can't describe what's going on in

820
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 2: the field, so if you're looking for that, we can't

821
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: give you that. But we can't give you the player interviews.

822
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: We can't talk about kind of what we're seeing there.

823
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: And it's the only place in the world where you

824
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: can get this information.

825
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: Like, I think we're allowed and correct me if I'm wrong,

826
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: and I'll even ask like practice is over, boy, Howard

827
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: threw the ball? Well today, I think you're Joe's right.

828
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: I think we just can't describe what he did right

829
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: or anything like that exactly. Yeah, I mean we can

830
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: talk about who we're impressed with and those kind of things.

831
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: And I remember the one time was unfortunate, but there

832
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: was an injury right in front of us.

833
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: And when I say right in front of us, I'm

834
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: like within ten yards.

835
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: Of us, Like it happened on the sideline we're from.

836
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, you had to kind of

837
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: react to some degree, but it couldn't really say what

838
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: we wanted to say, you know.

839
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Unfortunately I did react a little bit more. I

840
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: mean I was like, oh, that didn't look good at all, right,

841
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: and then we talked about said injury and it wasn't good.

842
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 3: We got yelled at, but it felt shame.

843
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: We felt shamed. We went to the penalty boxing, but.

844
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: No, I can't wait. Two minutes later we come up.

845
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: Everything was fine, Yeah, all good, all good. So the

846
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: following week is there we back to in here.

847
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: The next two weeks are are the OTA session two

848
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: weeks okay, and then the third week is the mandatory

849
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: mini camp gotchak. So the next three weeks three weeks Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

850
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: Gotcha Okay, I wasn't I thought so, I wasn't sure.

851
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 2: So if you're looking for the show, that's what's going

852
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: on here. And then again, we will be going to

853
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: a three day a week schedule Monday, Wednesday.

854
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: Friday until late July.

855
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: Basically until training camp starts and we have some they

856
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: cation yea, yeah, the two of us that we're going

857
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: to take in July. I think everything's in July, right.

858
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing a day here and there. I'm taking

859
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: my son to college and that is early July, and

860
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: a couple of things but only one extended, but that's

861
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: right before camp for yeah.

862
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: So we'll make it work. We'll still be around. We'll

863
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: still be giving you all your good Steeler information and

864
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: talking about stuff that's going on and stuff around the league.

865
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: That's what we do. But that's gonna do it for

866
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: today show. So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin

867
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: Miller here on site running the Justin Miller hotline and

868
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 2: the soundboard, and for Tyler vitt Meyer, our last day

869
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: here at Tyler Vittmeyer for the next about two months.

870
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: When he comes in, he's gonna have a much different

871
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: look to him.

872
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little less sleep.

873
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 2: You gotta look a lot more sleepy. But his wife

874
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: will will soon be having their first child. We congratulate

875
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: them on that advance. But that's going to do it

876
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: for the show today. I'm Dale Lalli. We thank you

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