Speaker 1: Someone goes like, yo, I think this place is haunted.
Speaker 1: And I talked to some people who said, like, they've
Speaker 1: also experienced this. My instinct isn'tgost show dumbass stuff. This
Speaker 1: isn't haunted. My instinct is to go, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to turn the TV up because I ain't trying
Speaker 1: to see her here. Not that I ain't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a part of that. That's that's such
Speaker 1: a black thought. A TV get rid of ghost. Turn
Speaker 1: the TV up and them ghost goa be gone by.
Speaker 1: I see a ghost. We'll turn the TV up, all right,
Speaker 1: But I know it's your TV because they wouldn't hang
Speaker 1: around if you turned it up. Chips, racists, money stuff,
Speaker 1: I can't tell me. Yep, yep, there it is. There
Speaker 1: it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode
Speaker 1: of My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we died
Speaker 1: deep deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and
Speaker 1: we finally worked to prove that shemar More, even shemar
Speaker 1: More's poops are light skinned. That's right, they come out
Speaker 1: the color of Michael Eally. That man don't do nothing
Speaker 1: that ain't light skinned, and his poops are no different.
Speaker 1: I am your host length than Kerman as always, and
Speaker 1: you know I'm coming in hot. I always say am
Speaker 1: sometimes I say I'm coming in hot. But and then
Speaker 1: I come in with the same energy I come with
Speaker 1: in every week, and so I think I'm just a
Speaker 1: hot motherfucker. That's what I do. I come in hot.
Speaker 1: And my guest today, I would argue he's never come
Speaker 1: in hot, never once, says he walked into a room
Speaker 1: and it felt like God, damn, this nigga's energy is exploding.
Speaker 1: It's booming through the atmosphere of the space we've entered.
Speaker 1: But man, is he hilarious. I love him. He's a
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Speaker 1: the stars. So funny. Give it up for my guest,
Speaker 1: Mr Kevin, I thank you, thank you for reading that
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't pay to say it. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: you gotta put some passion into it. You've You've offered
Speaker 1: me hundreds to thousands of dollars to say that nicely,
Speaker 1: but I said, no, I'll do it on my own.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you know what color Shamar Morris
Speaker 1: poops are either. That was a camera in his house. Look,
Speaker 1: I do the research. You gotta do the you gotta
Speaker 1: do the hard work. Some of us are willing to
Speaker 1: really dig in. I mean, that's why I don't have
Speaker 1: a podcast. You're too lazy to study Shamar Morris poops.
Speaker 1: And that's why you don't have a podcast. I'm excited
Speaker 1: that you're here because you came to me with a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that I had never heard of before in
Speaker 1: my life. Even the entire sort of premise around it
Speaker 1: was super foreign to me. And I know you specifically
Speaker 1: sent a a d not a detail, but a part
Speaker 1: of this larger conspiracy. So I'm gonna frame this around
Speaker 1: the larger thing, which is my mama told me Nigerian
Speaker 1: jazz last juju is real. Yeah, okay, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: just jumped into the story, right, Yeah, tell me, but
Speaker 1: just tell me what you know. Well, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is this is what I this is what I know
Speaker 1: to be true. I mean, it's always kind of like
Speaker 1: an underlying thing and I don't even think it's just
Speaker 1: like like a Nigerian thing, but it's also you know,
Speaker 1: West Indian people also kind of deal with it, and
Speaker 1: New Orleans people definitely voodo, you know, so jazz. And
Speaker 1: when I went to Nigeria for the first time in
Speaker 1: I was going to the marketplace, this place called Yea
Speaker 1: Bob Market, and my cousin was telling me like, Yo,
Speaker 1: if you go out there like these these dudes that
Speaker 1: have on gold rings and if they touch you, whatever
Speaker 1: is in your pocket go in their pocket. And at
Speaker 1: first I was like, well what. Two thoughts went through
Speaker 1: my head. I was like, niggas ain't gonna touch me,
Speaker 1: like what the fun? And then the second thought was
Speaker 1: like that is just gonna get some socks, Like it's
Speaker 1: not nothing that you not to get my backup underwear
Speaker 1: because that's all I got in my body. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was, um, it was like to go out there.
Speaker 1: At first, I was kind of like yeah, yeah, whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: But then once I got kind of got out there
Speaker 1: and I've seen it, I was like, Yo, this ship
Speaker 1: definitely it's real. And then my auntie told me like
Speaker 1: it actually happened to my cousin like in a different
Speaker 1: way because there's so many different forms of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it happens to him like in a different way
Speaker 1: where he like kind of got brainwashed and then giving
Speaker 1: away all my auntie money away that this dude. And
Speaker 1: then like he even came back to the house and
Speaker 1: was like asking my auntie, like, yo, I need more
Speaker 1: money to give to him. He said, if I give
Speaker 1: him more money, he's gonna get us on the island
Speaker 1: or whatever. She was like whoa, and he got he
Speaker 1: lost his phone. He tried to go back and meet
Speaker 1: up with the dude again. But mind you, he like fourteen, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean dumb, He's dumb. But at the same time too,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like they grow up quick out there.
Speaker 1: Like my ten year old my ten year old cousin
Speaker 1: like when I was when I was first out there,
Speaker 1: she uh, we went to we went to the marketplace, right.
Speaker 1: She was trying to bust some pound of yam. And
Speaker 1: then the lady was like it's like say like six
Speaker 1: and my cousin like, nah, six, hund I'll give you four,
Speaker 1: I said. She ten years old, bro, I'm like four okay,
Speaker 1: four fifty And then she's like a fine. And then
Speaker 1: I'm looking at her, I'm like, yeah, like it's called
Speaker 1: doing business. I'm like, yeah, Yo, that's crazy. She's demonstrating
Speaker 1: a skill that that the average ten year old couldn't
Speaker 1: even begin to try to do in America. Don't even
Speaker 1: have how you bargaining with a woman that's like five
Speaker 1: times your age? Right? I want that girl. I want
Speaker 1: your cousin helping me buy a Nissan Maxima, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, let's let's get her in a
Speaker 1: dealership and really like get some negotiations that are better
Speaker 1: than yams. I need her doing real work, bro, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at her like you would be a dangerous
Speaker 1: politician around all right. Wait, so let's let's rewind this
Speaker 1: back a little bit because I think you're cruising through
Speaker 1: some stuff that that's gonna need some clarification. Some of
Speaker 1: my listeners are whiteyes, so some of this is gonna
Speaker 1: require some songs. Some listen, Papa's bills are being paid
Speaker 1: by the white devil, and and that's something I'll rush
Speaker 1: so with this evening. But more importantly, as we are
Speaker 1: right now, I'm really interested number one in this idea
Speaker 1: of these people with the gold rings and like them
Speaker 1: them sort of being able to transfer your belongings from
Speaker 1: your pockets into theirs. They're not looking at this when
Speaker 1: they say that this sort of magic is happening. This
Speaker 1: isn't robbery to them. They're not saying this is like, oh,
Speaker 1: you just got pickpocketed by these gold ring dudes. But
Speaker 1: you mean you mean the people in the community aren't
Speaker 1: like they just picked your pocket. Theyeah, exactly. I you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't think that they think it's that
Speaker 1: at all, just because it's like it's such a it's
Speaker 1: such a level, like like the history behind all of that,
Speaker 1: all the all the they call it jazz and that
Speaker 1: was the first time I heard it. But you know,
Speaker 1: being where we're from, I'm like voodoo, but the history
Speaker 1: behind voodoo is so like dark magic, like Christian like
Speaker 1: religious people won't say voodoo or anything. They'll say that's
Speaker 1: the devil or that's you know, having a hell or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but it's still the same thing. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: It's just like there's a whole another underwear. It's like
Speaker 1: the deep web, you know what I mean, spirituality. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you got with you They're like yeah, It's like if
Speaker 1: you really want to buy some baby fingers. We know
Speaker 1: where you can do it, but exactly exactly, so I
Speaker 1: think they think it's real and I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 1: like I really do believe it. Like at first, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie. I believe it, bro Like at first
Speaker 1: I was like, it's kind of nah, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, how could it not be real? Well, say more,
Speaker 1: because I can tell you how it could not be real. Uh.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people gold rings that don't
Speaker 1: demonstrate any ability. Well, okay, alright, so the gold the
Speaker 1: gold ring thing, maybe that's not real, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, maybe it is. I love that as an
Speaker 1: argument of being like all right, all right, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let's be serious. Maybe it's not real, but have you
Speaker 1: considered maybe it is? But really though, bro, like, it's
Speaker 1: something that like I can't tell you what life is
Speaker 1: like in another country without really kind of being there,
Speaker 1: Like nobody can tell me, like what what New York
Speaker 1: is like if they never really been in New York,
Speaker 1: So like somebody to tell me like over there, like yo,
Speaker 1: they do this ship out here like really, like you
Speaker 1: might come in thinking like no, no, they don't, and
Speaker 1: then now you don't got you know what I'm saying. Now,
Speaker 1: you now you're a believer, and the only way you're
Speaker 1: gonna believe is if somebody rob your ass. But I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna wait till somebody rob me. I'm gonna believe
Speaker 1: it before, right. So So I like that because because
Speaker 1: by that suggestion, it's not even so much that that
Speaker 1: you're like sitting and you're believing as much in the
Speaker 1: magic of it all, but you're believing in their belief
Speaker 1: in at least correlation. So like, yo, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they can Harry Potter some ship from his pocket
Speaker 1: to my pocket, but I do know that they believe that.
Speaker 1: Therefore I'm gonna stay away from the people with the
Speaker 1: gold rings. Absolutely absolutely, And because then you got to
Speaker 1: also think about like, all right, is that real gold
Speaker 1: on that right? But there's just a cool magnet that
Speaker 1: he's like pulling my ship into his. Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think to that point that
Speaker 1: is the issue with the way that we often deny
Speaker 1: people's faith and and experiences and ship, right, is that like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, whether I believe in
Speaker 1: what you believe in or not, there's a reason you
Speaker 1: have faith in this thing, and it isn't complete nonsense.
Speaker 1: It may sound silly and it may be sort of
Speaker 1: like hyperbolic and its reasoning, but it's not so illogical
Speaker 1: that you're just like a fucking idiot. There's probably some
Speaker 1: route to it. And with that, maybe I would do
Speaker 1: good to listen to at least part of that and
Speaker 1: then ignore the goofy parts. You know what it's like.
Speaker 1: It's like when you see a bunch of people running
Speaker 1: away from something, yes, and it's like, are you gonna
Speaker 1: be that idiot that just keeps like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're running from, so I'm gonna find out myself,
Speaker 1: Like there could be bigger threats in the distance. Maybe
Speaker 1: we should just stay here and see what happens. Idiot
Speaker 1: you've been and find out later. I gotta see for myself.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't ever have to see. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's over there, but people running. I'm running too.
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, and we would go to
Speaker 1: the Taste of Chicago every year just to you know,
Speaker 1: go like do herrat ship with our friends whatever. And
Speaker 1: every year, inevitably is Chicago. People start shooting at the Taste,
Speaker 1: and every year, that would happen where like a crowd
Speaker 1: would run and there was always inevitably somebody with us
Speaker 1: that we would have to be like, bro, let's go.
Speaker 1: We're not We're not sticking around to figure this one out.
Speaker 1: Run motherfucker. Meet you at the McDonald's and then we'll
Speaker 1: regroup and and figure it out. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's your fault for hanging around white people. Well, I
Speaker 1: grew up in the suburbs. I had what I had
Speaker 1: as as a core group of friends. They were mostly black,
Speaker 1: but we had to sprinkle some whites in the air.
Speaker 1: They were kind. Let me ask you, do you do
Speaker 1: you believe in any sort of voodoo rituals? I'll say this,
Speaker 1: I believe in the power of accepting things into your
Speaker 1: spirit and life. Do you know what I mean? So, like,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that I've ever had a ghostly experience,
Speaker 1: but I do believe that Like if I were to
Speaker 1: funk around with the Uiji board or funk around with
Speaker 1: some juju or voodoo or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: then I am welcoming something into my spirit, then I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to just walk away from later. Now,
Speaker 1: how do you justify that with when you do mushrooms
Speaker 1: and you see ship that ain't really there. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think that it's not that dissimilar.
Speaker 1: Maybe that like, now I did the drugs, so I
Speaker 1: welcomed some ship into my brain that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so you're saying this trip to Nigeria in some ways
Speaker 1: was sort of mushrooms being introduced and allowing you to
Speaker 1: see something that that other people may not be able
Speaker 1: to see. Absolutely absolutely, it's all like I'm gonna sound
Speaker 1: like um finnah, sound like it's amative, like he's just
Speaker 1: trying to take your money. But it's all spiritual. Brother.
Speaker 1: By this water, it's good water. This is holy water.
Speaker 1: Did though it is, it's a spiritual thing. I remember
Speaker 1: when we shot our Half Hours, we were in New
Speaker 1: Orleans and apparently the hotel that we stayed in was haunted.
Speaker 1: That's what all the white women that also shot Half
Speaker 1: Hours that year kept telling me was that this is
Speaker 1: a haunted hotel. And they each had had experiences where
Speaker 1: they either saw a little girl running down the hallway
Speaker 1: that wasn't there, or like another little girl that was
Speaker 1: sitting at the edge of the bed. Like there were
Speaker 1: like three different women, all of whom told me that
Speaker 1: they had like these ghostly experiences. And then when you
Speaker 1: pry further, you find out that at some point in
Speaker 1: their lives they had interacted with like ghostly behavior and
Speaker 1: so yeah, y'all are the ones seeing it. Meanwhile, I'm
Speaker 1: sucking in a New Orleans hotel. It's wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: because I stayed in a haunted hotel before two and
Speaker 1: the same same, same experience, actually in another country I
Speaker 1: forget where, but in another country where I was like
Speaker 1: this feel like what did those be at? You know,
Speaker 1: when you when you in fucking Ireland or wherever you
Speaker 1: I don't know where I was. I think it was
Speaker 1: in Germany or some ship. But when you stay in
Speaker 1: like the woods in Germany, nigger, it feels like, oh,
Speaker 1: now this is so did you have? Ain'ty like you know,
Speaker 1: you're getting the hotel room and you and I was
Speaker 1: quiet by yourself. Let's set the let's set the mood
Speaker 1: by yourself. Now, well, let's be clear, it's not that quiet.
Speaker 1: Say yes to the dress is probably playing in the background.
Speaker 1: At this point in my life, but I get your point.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's not as noisy as it should have
Speaker 1: been exactly. But you play say yes to the dress
Speaker 1: because you didn't want to see the ghosts. I'm terribly
Speaker 1: afraid of the quiet, and I agree that that is
Speaker 1: why on That's my point is like you call somebody now,
Speaker 1: now you're like you are getting goose bumps and you're like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: let me let me get some human interaction to something.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I'd be having thoughts because you
Speaker 1: know you watched the shot it right, Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: so I'll be having though It's like like it's like
Speaker 1: the shining black man. I'll suck them little kids up.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where my brain go. Man, what's up?
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? And I'm really scared, but like
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but y'all are still two little girls
Speaker 1: holding hands in the hallway. I'll kick the ship out
Speaker 1: of you, exactly because when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: they come to your face and you know, you, sweet,
Speaker 1: you just look like a crazy I told you he did, right.
Speaker 1: Somebody else comes outing hallway and it's just you alone
Speaker 1: fighting to visible children. Yeah, now you're up. I told
Speaker 1: you should have put them off for Okay, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, because I do think I really love
Speaker 1: what you're saying about going to this foreign place and
Speaker 1: then experiencing something that is true to them on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, and then being able to walk back to
Speaker 1: quote unquote home with this new information. How many of
Speaker 1: the people, because you're your family's Nigerian, they're they're living
Speaker 1: in Houston, how many of the people back home still
Speaker 1: maintain these theories, these things that that came from Nigeria. Oh,
Speaker 1: back home, back home in Nigeria, back home in Houston,
Speaker 1: back home in Houston. How many people in here on
Speaker 1: American soil are like yo, Well, my my people grew
Speaker 1: up in Nigeria, so my dad, my mom, they moved
Speaker 1: out here when they was. My dad was nineteen years
Speaker 1: old when he came out here, and he kind of
Speaker 1: constantly goes back and forth, but most of his life
Speaker 1: was in Nigeria. So they definitely believe in it. I
Speaker 1: can see it. Like my mom's sister is as as
Speaker 1: a pastor and her her husband was a pastor, her
Speaker 1: son is a pastor, and they I can see it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never actually had a real conversation with
Speaker 1: them about it, and it would be interesting to have one.
Speaker 1: But I can see, like their spirituality, it definitely comes
Speaker 1: from a place where it's like if I talk to
Speaker 1: them about that, they're like, they're gonna they're gonna, like again,
Speaker 1: like I said, they're gonna phrase it in a way
Speaker 1: that's not They might not use the word voodoo or
Speaker 1: jazz or juju, but they'll say, you know, there's bad
Speaker 1: spirits and there's good spirits, battle between the spiritual world
Speaker 1: and the physical world always every day you wake up.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say it like that, but they're not gonna
Speaker 1: they might not say like, yeah, it's a nigga with
Speaker 1: a fire and a hat, like like like the man
Speaker 1: from the All right, But yeah, man, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: some of that and that's really interesting. I think some
Speaker 1: of that just sounds like a like a language transfer,
Speaker 1: right that, like you come to America, you start speaking
Speaker 1: a different type of language, you start speaking differently with
Speaker 1: the people around you, And so juju is a word
Speaker 1: that on average the American person would be like the
Speaker 1: funk out of here, what are you talking about? And
Speaker 1: so you remove like the trigger words you say like
Speaker 1: a still believe in what I believe in, but I'll
Speaker 1: take out all the things that are gonna make you
Speaker 1: react in some crazy way and at least allow you
Speaker 1: to understand me on like a surface level. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because now now you get now you get that white dollar.
Speaker 1: All right, They they they even't gotten people because you're
Speaker 1: like you I feel juju. Yeah, hell, that sounds like
Speaker 1: a candy alright. I think we've had enough of your
Speaker 1: antics tonight. You started saying words like spiritual warfare and
Speaker 1: it's a battle between the you know, the heaven in
Speaker 1: hell now people, because that's um um C. S. Lewis
Speaker 1: whole thing, his books, like with the Great Divorce and everything.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, that's this whole thing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you started talking like that. You could be a Trump supporter.
Speaker 1: You're you're part of the team. You're part of the team.
Speaker 1: Now you whole it's a whole thing, man. So you know, definitely,
Speaker 1: But I really do think you know, it dates back
Speaker 1: to like slavery, like slaves was into all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's going away. It's just taking
Speaker 1: like definitely, like you said, different names, different forms all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I do think that that's sort of. I think
Speaker 1: it's a corny thing that sort of happens as we
Speaker 1: move along in like generations and and sort of grow
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. I think we we
Speaker 1: reached this point where we start to just want to
Speaker 1: make fun of the generations that came before us, Like,
Speaker 1: look at these stupid motherfuckers for doing a thing that
Speaker 1: they believed in back then. We're so advanced, we're much
Speaker 1: smarter than that now. And it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: that we are. I actually don't think we're advancing at
Speaker 1: the rate that we think we are. We just are
Speaker 1: rearticulating our advancements in a in a way that makes
Speaker 1: us feels it's three it's three planes. Now, it's the
Speaker 1: spiritual realm, it's the physical realm, and it's the digital realm.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I'm saying. Listen, listen, brom going somewhere.
Speaker 1: Hold on to do your little minute, because it sound
Speaker 1: like you're about to talk that talk. You're trying to
Speaker 1: talk some talk. Now, really, let's let's go. Let's I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you the music. You talk, your talk go crazy.
Speaker 1: I gotta talk over the music. Yeah, Okay, So well,
Speaker 1: now you're ruining. It's the it's the spiritual realm, it's
Speaker 1: the physical realm, and it's the digital realm inside of
Speaker 1: the like I feel like I'm doing a ted talk
Speaker 1: that's going nowhere. But inside of the like you know
Speaker 1: the two, you know the too, you know the too,
Speaker 1: the physical and the spiritual. But inside of the digital.
Speaker 1: Now it's like this place where you can actually fake
Speaker 1: what's in the physical. You can't never fake what's in
Speaker 1: the spiritual at all. Like that ship is what it
Speaker 1: is and it's the reality of it. And in the physical,
Speaker 1: if you want to actually accept what it is in
Speaker 1: the spiritual, you can, But you can also play yourself
Speaker 1: and try to like whatever whatever now you're adding. Now
Speaker 1: you're not really telling yourself the truth. You're not being
Speaker 1: honest with yourself and the digit. You're faking it to
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like everybody else, you're like, oh, look I'm out
Speaker 1: here and saloom, I'm out here doing this. I'm out
Speaker 1: here that this is that in the third and it
Speaker 1: could be in the reverse too. You could also be
Speaker 1: looking like a bump online and really be having bread.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying because nigga, I don't listen.
Speaker 1: That's my the nerd on the internet. But if you
Speaker 1: come look at a niggle for real, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna give you pussy because of this podcast, so
Speaker 1: you can. You're gonna let that little dream go. That
Speaker 1: was beautiful and listen. I've never seen someone failed talk
Speaker 1: that talk worse that you. You. Truly, you did not
Speaker 1: nail it in any kind of way. Normally I always
Speaker 1: punctuated with a cool drop afterwards to make everybody feel
Speaker 1: good that talk. But I will say this, your ideas
Speaker 1: of of the three planes are are one that I
Speaker 1: like a lot at was that's good ship, good ideas,
Speaker 1: bad performance eight out of ten. I'd say, welcome to
Speaker 1: my welcome to my stand up, my stage performance, and
Speaker 1: good ideas, awful awful execution. I swear to God if
Speaker 1: he ever makes eye contact with the audience. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you one more question that we're going to
Speaker 1: take a break. In terms of the juju and the
Speaker 1: jazz ing and all of these other things, do you
Speaker 1: think that it has the potential to grow outside of
Speaker 1: the space that it already lives in Do you think
Speaker 1: that this is something that could eventually make its way
Speaker 1: to America to other places outside of West Africa and
Speaker 1: you know where it lives right now? I think I
Speaker 1: think in a way it has in a form. I
Speaker 1: don't think that like you know, it's just like basic
Speaker 1: or you know, like like it's just like just so
Speaker 1: rooted and like literally you go to the marketplace somebody.
Speaker 1: But in a way, like you know, scamming is so big.
Speaker 1: Everybody the p P pee loans that everybody was taken
Speaker 1: out and everybody, everybody trying to scam. Jeff Bezo's wife,
Speaker 1: she just gave out another how many billion everybody got?
Speaker 1: Now everybody aren't broke, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: like so like so like in a way, absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: already here. But it's just even to say like Peter
Speaker 1: pop Off with all the you know, when he was
Speaker 1: selling all the miracle water, the miracle waterin the rags.
Speaker 1: You know, you wipe this rag, you be cancer free
Speaker 1: by this rag, wipe it on your head. So absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just like everything else, it's americanized,
Speaker 1: it's westernized now here, but it's our version of it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that to your point, there isn't that much of a
Speaker 1: difference between this dude selling miracle water and these other
Speaker 1: people who are basically saying like, you can cleanse yourself
Speaker 1: with these objects or waters or whatever the funk it is.
Speaker 1: And the only difference is that America trusted more from
Speaker 1: a white dude in a suit than they do from
Speaker 1: some Nigerian person who like, may also have a suit on,
Speaker 1: but it ain't as suit we recognize. So we like,
Speaker 1: get the funk out of here with that ship, and
Speaker 1: soon we recognize a ship. Now that's funny, that's funny
Speaker 1: as fun But just to say too, because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't, I do think that there's also a good juju,
Speaker 1: good voodoo, good jazz, and good version and there's a
Speaker 1: bad version, just to say, like that's what I believe, No,
Speaker 1: I think, And I think that's important also for everybody
Speaker 1: to understand, is that it the negative connotation is truly
Speaker 1: just the way that you use these things. It is
Speaker 1: not to say that these things themselves are inherently bad.
Speaker 1: Eloquently put thanks man, That's why I'm in charge of
Speaker 1: the podcast. Anyway, We're gonna take a break and We'll
Speaker 1: be back with Mark, Kevin Eislough and more, my mama
Speaker 1: told me, And we are back. Do you have your passport?
Speaker 1: Did you get your shots? Girl? Would you like to
Speaker 1: come back with rob to a bandit? I'm yep, We're
Speaker 1: back here with more Kevin. I saw more. My mama
Speaker 1: told me. We're still talking about jazz and and juju
Speaker 1: and all the different iterations of of voodoo that existed
Speaker 1: before voodoo that's sort of birth voodoo in America, and
Speaker 1: the things that Kevin believes. Is it just the gold
Speaker 1: rings that you're you're sort of sold on or is
Speaker 1: it all of it? Like literally anything they tell you,
Speaker 1: You're like, yep, I'm I'm I'm with it. Whoa some
Speaker 1: of it as wits and some of it is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that, so I'm gonna believe it.
Speaker 1: M hm. But I feel like naturally, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to sound like I'm a gullible human being, I'm not.
Speaker 1: But naturally, I'm actually extremely skeptical of ship. So when
Speaker 1: they told me, like my my auntie was telling me
Speaker 1: the other day, she said, like that, it usually starts
Speaker 1: in the form of a question, like they'll ask like
Speaker 1: where are you going? Or do you want to make
Speaker 1: more money or whatever. But whenever I'm traveling and somebody
Speaker 1: talked to me like that, I'm already like, no, I
Speaker 1: know I'm going, even if I don't know where I'm going,
Speaker 1: just because like I'm used to all of that. I
Speaker 1: don't live in the Bronx, I don't live in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I don't live in a lot of places, and that
Speaker 1: and being in Nigeria in itself, like when you get
Speaker 1: off the airport, like do start grabbing you? Like like
Speaker 1: I've never grabbed a girl. I don't even think. I
Speaker 1: don't even I don't even think people do this anymore,
Speaker 1: to be honest, because you know how tom fly and
Speaker 1: you don't even really realize, like it's a different era,
Speaker 1: but they're like holding onto something that like really happened
Speaker 1: ten years ago, but you acting like it happy yesterday.
Speaker 1: But you know how, Like like when I was in college,
Speaker 1: like dudes would be like outside the club. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they still do this ship, but they do it. They'll
Speaker 1: be outside the club and they'll be like grabbing girls
Speaker 1: like like you don't know her nothing from nowhere, but
Speaker 1: you'd be outside and it's not parking lot pimp and
Speaker 1: parking lot pimping different. It's like parking lot pimping. You
Speaker 1: you're in front of the car, you playing your music,
Speaker 1: She's like, oh you gotta Porsche. Yeah. Parking lot pimping
Speaker 1: is about the she catched the vibe and then you
Speaker 1: can move it from there. This is about literally trying
Speaker 1: to really snatch a woman from her path. You don't
Speaker 1: got no car, you're just grabbing girls. Like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: trying to take a walk, but bit while you walk
Speaker 1: it it's always your man that would never let you
Speaker 1: walk nowhere, Like really, niggert, that's the line that you yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's I definitely yes. I remember that era of
Speaker 1: like of culture right that that was, like it reminds
Speaker 1: me so much of like a cameraon era of like
Speaker 1: a black man, you know what I mean. Cameron in
Speaker 1: his heyday was a nigga who would grab your hand
Speaker 1: as you're leaving the club. Absolutely, but Cameron got money.
Speaker 1: A lot of these niggas grabbing they just they just
Speaker 1: grabbing because this is this is all they got to
Speaker 1: hold onto, right, So they wasn't even in the club
Speaker 1: the whole night, and he outside grabbing your hand. But
Speaker 1: so that's but that's how they was. That's how they
Speaker 1: was grabbing me in Nigeria, grabbing me by my hand
Speaker 1: and ship. So like that element of it, I was
Speaker 1: just like, damn, like this is like really aggressive. So
Speaker 1: that part of it, like I'm already blocking off that
Speaker 1: anything that I don't know if they like yo frog
Speaker 1: legs and all of that ship. Once you start throwing
Speaker 1: in words and animals that I'm not like used to
Speaker 1: seeing on a daily basis, I believe it. It's like
Speaker 1: as soon as you're like, yeah, it's a you know,
Speaker 1: reindeer antlers or shark fin and all that ship, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a real thing. Okay. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: raindeer do, but if you put them, like if somebody
Speaker 1: told you, like Langston, like if you get a monkey
Speaker 1: tail and a rabbit ear and you put it in
Speaker 1: a pot, bro, it'll like it'll make your hair grow, like,
Speaker 1: it'll feel it, it'll fill out your beard. Right, somebody
Speaker 1: tell me that, I'd be like, Okay, I believe it
Speaker 1: because I'm never gonna do it. Right, I'm never going
Speaker 1: to collect these three items and mix them. Even if
Speaker 1: I did get a monkey tail, which I don't plan
Speaker 1: to get anytime soon. That's gonna be my third phase
Speaker 1: of my life. But when I get a monkey tail,
Speaker 1: I don't see myself then grinding it up into monkey
Speaker 1: tail powder and then mixing it with some rabbit foot
Speaker 1: and being like I and now I'm ready to fill
Speaker 1: in my beard. It's like, no, I'm just gonna have
Speaker 1: a rabbit tail and I'll put it in the case
Speaker 1: and be like y'all trying to see a rabbit tail
Speaker 1: are a monkey ass? I got both. Now I'm ready
Speaker 1: to fill in my beard. Some people would say that's
Speaker 1: also how COVID started. I'm not gonna say that, but
Speaker 1: I just some people would say that that's how COVID.
Speaker 1: It was grinding up monkey too mixed with rabbit Now
Speaker 1: we all try. It was trying to get a full beard.
Speaker 1: It was a man and wanted to full beard. Now
Speaker 1: I gotta stay inside for nine months, this crazy, this
Speaker 1: thing wanted alright. Well, now we're canceled, and this was
Speaker 1: a great episode. I want to jump into some of
Speaker 1: this research. I did a fair amount of research on
Speaker 1: the subject, and and let's just start simply, and a
Speaker 1: lot of this you've already covered juju jazz ing as
Speaker 1: it relates to the world of West Africa seems to
Speaker 1: specifically refer to the idea of infusing magic in to
Speaker 1: ambulets or trinkets or even a person right in order
Speaker 1: to enact your wishes. And those wishes, like you said,
Speaker 1: can be positive or they can be negative. They don't
Speaker 1: have to necessarily correlate with good or bad. And West
Speaker 1: Africa also sort of tends to use language that implies
Speaker 1: black magic or omens or curses. Voodoo is the thing
Speaker 1: that we know in America and attempts to protect oneself
Speaker 1: from the sinister unseen world, right, and that sort of
Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying about like your
Speaker 1: parents sort of using the idea of like the devil
Speaker 1: at work and like the sinister things that are in
Speaker 1: sort of like play. It's all protection and or activation
Speaker 1: against things that you don't care for in the world.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, So you know how there's like Greek mythology
Speaker 1: and Greek gods and then Susan and Chrono send all
Speaker 1: of them, guys. There's also like African mythology, so there's Shoe,
Speaker 1: there's whoever Beyonce be talking about on her songs to
Speaker 1: get her name. But it's a water like the people
Speaker 1: that know they're gonna listen to this thing, like you
Speaker 1: talk about that, but I don't know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know off top of my head. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: my wife, My wife is gonna be high. I gotta
Speaker 1: pay attention sometimes. So all of that stuff actually it
Speaker 1: plays into you know what you're what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Where is like even though I personally believe that a
Speaker 1: lot of the Greek mythology derived from the African mythology,
Speaker 1: and then a lot of the African mythology, it's just like,
Speaker 1: of course, like every like again everything else and become
Speaker 1: a part of gaspora, and the ship spread and information
Speaker 1: get lost, and it's like that whisper game, like you
Speaker 1: say this to that person, you come back and it's
Speaker 1: a whole different name, you know, so s you turned
Speaker 1: into right whoever? To your point, it's it's cultural telephone,
Speaker 1: and so it becomes like us coming up with phrases
Speaker 1: spot cultural telephone. Yeah, listen, I love how impressed you
Speaker 1: are with me. Just the repeating bad things you're saying
Speaker 1: to me in different words. It's it's truly, it's I've
Speaker 1: never felt more confident. I'm alive, motherfucker. This is great.
Speaker 1: I do like the idea though, that that in some
Speaker 1: ways we are all sort of like circulating the same
Speaker 1: premises and then adding our little like spin to it
Speaker 1: much in the way that like everybody's just making food
Speaker 1: with rice, but then you just add your own way
Speaker 1: of you know, y'all you make a different race than
Speaker 1: I make rice, and then we all have different race.
Speaker 1: But it's rice all the same, absolutely as long as
Speaker 1: the rice isn't whitewashed. M hmm, good. Yeah, that we'll
Speaker 1: say that it's bad. It's bad, it's oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just I just had a whole I don't even
Speaker 1: want to say this on the podcast, and I might
Speaker 1: say it because they're not gonna listen to this. So
Speaker 1: I went to my no just speaking on bad rice. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know I'm going off topic, but I went
Speaker 1: to my man's place and he just got married, and
Speaker 1: uh and his wife made some rice, and god damn
Speaker 1: if I didn't know she was white before I knew
Speaker 1: she was white. When that race came out, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: it was awful, like but it was bad. It was bad.
Speaker 1: It was bad blind and you were like, bro, man,
Speaker 1: I bet your wife is beautiful. I don't know race,
Speaker 1: but I bet she's a gorgeous woman. And then you
Speaker 1: tasted and you're like, oh, you don't marry the devil,
Speaker 1: You're married a cursed So this is this is a
Speaker 1: fucking white woman because you know how rice. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you're eating rice, so you know how rice like you
Speaker 1: can get you can make rice where you can take
Speaker 1: each rice. I don't know the word each grain. But
Speaker 1: then you also got that rice where the ship just together,
Speaker 1: it's a whole. It's like nachos. You're like, damn, I
Speaker 1: can't get the ship apart for nothing. So that ship
Speaker 1: was like that, and I'm just like I had to
Speaker 1: eat it, bro, bro, bro, like that ship was. I
Speaker 1: had to take a sip after each bite. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: some good rice the girl. So you say, y'all go
Speaker 1: be together forever. Oh that's cool, that's cool. That ship
Speaker 1: was awful. Now I'm happy that you're married, and I
Speaker 1: think many blessings untold I wanted. Okay, this is one
Speaker 1: of the things that surprised me in the research, and
Speaker 1: I think this is important. I didn't realize how much
Speaker 1: of this isn't just something sort of locked in the
Speaker 1: like cultural outskirts of like the African world, right, Like
Speaker 1: this isn't some ship where like only people in certain
Speaker 1: areas believe it, or like outside of the big cities,
Speaker 1: apparently it's a pretty well sort of like received almost
Speaker 1: uh bleeds into public life. Like I write an article
Speaker 1: about this state governor who refused to move into his
Speaker 1: official home because magical objects had been left behind by
Speaker 1: another governor who sought help by this elderly juju man
Speaker 1: to rid state, to rid his state of like crop
Speaker 1: eating insects. He was so afraid of the crop eating
Speaker 1: insects that he hired a juju man to help get
Speaker 1: rid of them. And then subsequently the dude who replaced
Speaker 1: him was like, nah, he left some of his ship
Speaker 1: behind and I can't be walking into his space, which
Speaker 1: is now you know, covered in in potentially bad omens,
Speaker 1: bad juju. Yeah, them niggas is crazy, bro, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I always think about it. I think about it like
Speaker 1: like the Avatar, Like you know when they when they're
Speaker 1: choosing then Avatar, No, no, no, no, no, it's not
Speaker 1: the Avatar. It's actually the Dalai Lama right when the
Speaker 1: Dali Lama and then they give them like certain objects
Speaker 1: and they say like do this and do that. I
Speaker 1: don't know the exactly, do you know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I could be basing this off of the film, so
Speaker 1: I could be very bad, But I think that it's
Speaker 1: it's they lay out a bunch of objects and then
Speaker 1: the person is meant to choose, and in choosing, they're
Speaker 1: able to identify who is in fact the chosen person
Speaker 1: because of the decision that they make right like like,
Speaker 1: but they'll do it with babies, like so it's like
Speaker 1: a baby that's just like and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this baby is chosen. It's an awesome baby. Did it's
Speaker 1: a dope at baby the keychain? Yeah? Baby. I think
Speaker 1: of it like that where it's like those guys believe
Speaker 1: in it. That's that in the third Yes, But I
Speaker 1: also think that, like, you know, I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: my decisions based off a baby or another man personally,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just not gonna do it. So if a
Speaker 1: baby sit there and pick the key chain, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna come into office and be like, oh, the key
Speaker 1: chain is the key people's hearts. Yeah, I think more importantly,
Speaker 1: babies are just babies, do you know what I mean that? Like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, babies aren't profits. They're
Speaker 1: just humans with a soft spot in their head. And
Speaker 1: so like I can't to your point, I can't spend
Speaker 1: my life at the whim of what a child might
Speaker 1: pick up. I've seen babies try to suck a man's
Speaker 1: titty because they thought it also gave milk, Like there
Speaker 1: is no other option. There's no chance that I presume
Speaker 1: that the baby is a smart person in it in
Speaker 1: that way, yes, But that's that's how I think that.
Speaker 1: The like he went into office and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: he did something here, So I'm not gonna be like
Speaker 1: that's how that's how I think about. That's like Biden
Speaker 1: assuming that Trump was smart, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it's a little but even or even Trump like
Speaker 1: not even to take sides, like even Trump assuming that
Speaker 1: Obama was smart. Like it's like, oh, now I'm in
Speaker 1: the White House and he did all this stuff with
Speaker 1: this dog. Now we got to clean it out. It's
Speaker 1: just like that now you granted him power in my
Speaker 1: in my mind, because I do think like you were saying,
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's particular to each individual. Like so, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of them dooses. And you know they band
Speaker 1: Twitter in Nigeria, Like it's crazy, right, they just don't
Speaker 1: even want spreading around anymore than they probably already has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how you, how you and a whole social media platforms.
Speaker 1: They're probably healthier for it. I'll be honest. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's making us good people. So yeah, Bannitt, they're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. One of the things you sent me, uh,
Speaker 1: when we first started talking about this original idea was
Speaker 1: and it had a lot of interesting stuff, and specifically
Speaker 1: the articles talked about like these kids who The way
Speaker 1: that the the author found out about this whole thing
Speaker 1: was these kids he grew up with, who rumor who
Speaker 1: who had claimed to have had this this experience where
Speaker 1: a preschool teacher gave them candy to take home, and
Speaker 1: then they put the candy in their pockets, and instead
Speaker 1: of eating the candy when they were told to eat
Speaker 1: the candy, they left the candy in their pockets to
Speaker 1: say for later, and by the time they were turned
Speaker 1: to get the candy out of their pockets, the candy
Speaker 1: had turned into human fingers. And this was meant to be.
Speaker 1: I think a lesson on like gratitude and like doing
Speaker 1: the right thing when you're told than following instructions. And
Speaker 1: so you a boy, a child, reach into your pockets
Speaker 1: a lot of human finger when you was trying to
Speaker 1: get a junior mint, and suddenly you're scarred for life
Speaker 1: because of that. But then also, I guess you've learned
Speaker 1: a lesson. And so I wonder how much of this
Speaker 1: do you just see as allegory, as like a chance
Speaker 1: to learn from the experiences you've had. I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of it is actually allegory. I mean putting
Speaker 1: it like that. Bro. It's like like again like you know,
Speaker 1: to bring back C. S. Lewis, it's like all of that.
Speaker 1: It's I think the Bible is a lot of alcory. Yes,
Speaker 1: to be honest. You know, so things that where you
Speaker 1: say like when they said okay, and and in Africa
Speaker 1: they've done it, and and in the Middle East they
Speaker 1: do it to where it's like when you're stealing, they'll
Speaker 1: cut off your hand you're stealing so you don't steal
Speaker 1: no more, which is it's fair. It makes sense if
Speaker 1: you're living by that logic. Yes, like it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: then this is what what you do. But at the
Speaker 1: same time too, it's also like a beating would have
Speaker 1: withold would suffice, like like you didn't have to take
Speaker 1: his whole hand for the rest of his life, like
Speaker 1: you could have just like told him that was wrong.
Speaker 1: He gave him a stern talking to. He might have
Speaker 1: also learned a lesson. I don't know, as I ain't
Speaker 1: gotta be a left handed hooper for the rest just
Speaker 1: crossing over from one hand to the same hand. Everybody
Speaker 1: think it's a deformity that he's like, no, and I
Speaker 1: just really wanted some honey buns, and uh that was upset.
Speaker 1: They didn't like absolutely. So yeah, I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff. It's meant to be a message,
Speaker 1: you know, that you take and you understand and then
Speaker 1: you interpret into your own. My man was telling me
Speaker 1: about he was reading something, but he was telling me,
Speaker 1: you know, that whole story of like Abraham sacrificing his
Speaker 1: children is Abraham I don't know, I don't read Abraham
Speaker 1: is asked by God to murder his son Isaac. There
Speaker 1: you go. So he was telling me that whole thing
Speaker 1: is like, say, you're an alcoholic and Isaac is vodka
Speaker 1: and God is asking you to get rid of vodka.
Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't want to get rid of God.
Speaker 1: You know I love Come on God, and God like,
Speaker 1: get rid of vodka. And then you take vodka to
Speaker 1: the altar and you're ready to sacrifice vodka, and then
Speaker 1: got like, you can have vodka. Just making sure that
Speaker 1: this is a horrible message, like us, a horrible analogy,
Speaker 1: and the parents at home are not going to care
Speaker 1: for you equating their children to a poison that we
Speaker 1: drink to stop feeling things. That's that's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a horrible analogy. But if you understand what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to say, you get it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's another allegory. Actually, so I do. I'm really glad
Speaker 1: that you made the connection to Christianity because I started
Speaker 1: reading articles about and you know, in terms of the
Speaker 1: way white people write about these things that often has
Speaker 1: like a negative connotation right there, not writing about in
Speaker 1: in any light that that promotes positivity. But I read
Speaker 1: this BBC article. It basically connects juju to human trafficking,
Speaker 1: and it takes a few big steps here, but they
Speaker 1: claim that these practices are more dangerous than physical chains.
Speaker 1: And in the article, it talks about this twenty four
Speaker 1: year old Nigerian woman who basically put these two other
Speaker 1: girls through a series of like ritualistic Juju ceremonies in
Speaker 1: order to make them so afraid of leaving that they
Speaker 1: stayed under her control. She made them drink dirty water,
Speaker 1: she made them eat snake and snails, and she even
Speaker 1: shaved their heads, which made these women not want to
Speaker 1: leave and allowed her to hold her hold them captive
Speaker 1: and subsequently sell them into sex slavery. Right, And so
Speaker 1: the article spends the entire time being like, this is
Speaker 1: Juju's fault, this is awesome juju ship, and we gotta
Speaker 1: be careful about Juju. And a part of me kept thinking,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that that sounds like the same
Speaker 1: thing the Bible does. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, Na, na, no,
Speaker 1: you went, you went, You went in on it, Like
Speaker 1: it's definitely it's definitely a way to control Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a way to control people. It's the same thing. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing Fox News does. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: that CNN does. It's a way to like get people
Speaker 1: underneath whatever umbrella of knowledge that you're trying to create
Speaker 1: for them to understand. And then once they get that,
Speaker 1: then it's like, Okay, we've gotten these people inside of
Speaker 1: our circle. Now they're behind us, now they're not. Now
Speaker 1: we've created an army or whatever it is that we're
Speaker 1: trying to push. I don't know what it is that
Speaker 1: they're trying to push. Apparently in this story, this guy's
Speaker 1: trying to make bread, but he sex trafficking whatever. But yeah, yeah, girl, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's like, you're trying to get people
Speaker 1: behind you for whatever it is that you're It's the
Speaker 1: same ship with all these fucking colts, the scientology ship,
Speaker 1: the ship that I forget, the last Code thing that
Speaker 1: they put on Netflix that everybody was watching, Next Joint,
Speaker 1: the Nextium Joint. Yeah, yeah, it's the same ship. Like
Speaker 1: you could really use anything, bro, you see people using
Speaker 1: comedy to control people, Like people be really warped into
Speaker 1: this ship where I'll just be like, bro, if I'm
Speaker 1: not funny, I'm not funny. Like it's at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I'm gonna move on to the next thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna figure out a way to make this
Speaker 1: ship happen. But you see people really like creating coats,
Speaker 1: like doing comedy classes and all of this ship, and
Speaker 1: it's like, who then need to class the last what?
Speaker 1: What are you? What are we doing right now? So
Speaker 1: all of that, Like like when I said it's good
Speaker 1: and bad earlier about the voodoo ship, it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's we're talking about voodoo, but we're really talking about everything,
Speaker 1: like it's good and bad business. It's good and bad,
Speaker 1: like I didn't got into this this hospital and it's
Speaker 1: like this medical field and it's good and bad. Like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, if I go this way, I'll be able
Speaker 1: to make mad money, but then I'm also exploiting people.
Speaker 1: And also all this fucking legal plastic surgery that I'm
Speaker 1: doing that's legal, but it ain't legal like all of
Speaker 1: that ship. So I hear what you're saying with that,
Speaker 1: with that, I mean, with that article. But again, white
Speaker 1: people are the reason that hold on. I hear you,
Speaker 1: and honestly, I'll say this, that's how they get you,
Speaker 1: because I do think even as I read this article, right,
Speaker 1: even as I was sort of like going through this article,
Speaker 1: a part of me felt like the article itself is
Speaker 1: a of the occult right It is sort of like
Speaker 1: that in action, because all it is is trying to
Speaker 1: create a type of fear of something foreign or different.
Speaker 1: Which isn't to say that what this girl is doing
Speaker 1: is okay, It isn't. What she was doing was super
Speaker 1: fucked up. If she is in fact human trafficking these women,
Speaker 1: there's no excuse for that. But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: we have to correlate a religion with that. We could
Speaker 1: just call her a fucked up lady and say that
Speaker 1: she misinterpreted what potentially could just be a way that
Speaker 1: people get by, a way that people understand the world
Speaker 1: much in the way that we do with Christianity or
Speaker 1: Islam or whatever other religions exactly, bro, Because you can't
Speaker 1: say that everybody that's like you say Islam, everybody is Muslim.
Speaker 1: You can't say that they're bad but you. But Muslim
Speaker 1: people will easily tell you, like yo, it's terrorists groups
Speaker 1: that's associated with our religion, But they not us. They them,
Speaker 1: they're doing their own things. They don't read the same ship.
Speaker 1: They don't read the same ship we read, and then
Speaker 1: they don't interpreted in the fund up weight and then
Speaker 1: so now they're doing all this ship over here. But
Speaker 1: you can't associate the whole group with that ship. I'm chilling.
Speaker 1: I got my rug, I got my little hat, and
Speaker 1: I ain't father nobody. Come on there, you just just
Speaker 1: described the ladder. Hey, Disney did some fun up ship too.
Speaker 1: They made some weird correlations. That don't mean I wasn't
Speaker 1: describing a religion. That just means, hey, we gotta do
Speaker 1: some uh analysis a deep die. Yeah, bro Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take one more break. We'll be back with more
Speaker 1: Kevin eel and more, my mama told me. And we
Speaker 1: are back. Yes, Ken, you lend the nigga a pencil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back here with mor Kevin Ecelo. My mama told me.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about juju and jazz and and all
Speaker 1: the stuff that comes from West Indian practices of of
Speaker 1: faith and belief, good and bad. I think it's time
Speaker 1: for us to play a game. Let's play a game.
Speaker 1: And this is a very fun game that I've I've
Speaker 1: cooked up special for you. It's called what Juju would
Speaker 1: you Do? I put a spell on you my ship again,
Speaker 1: it's what Juju would you do? And the way that
Speaker 1: this works, I'm going to introduce to you some celebrities
Speaker 1: who I believe could use a little bit of juju
Speaker 1: to help fix some of the problems that have arisen
Speaker 1: in their lives. And my ask for you, Kevin, is
Speaker 1: that you suggest a little bit of juju that you
Speaker 1: think they could handle, that that would help make their
Speaker 1: lives a little better based on the things that have
Speaker 1: happened to them. Does that make sense? Okay? What are
Speaker 1: you gonna give me the juju? Tou or I gotta
Speaker 1: make this is all you, baby? This this is some fun,
Speaker 1: impriv just a good game of of creating through comedic magic.
Speaker 1: You got it. I believe in you. We'll start simple this,
Speaker 1: We'll make this nice and easy. Chloe Kardashian has been
Speaker 1: cheated on now for a record fifty nine times by
Speaker 1: Tristan Thompson. Fifty nine. I don't know if that number
Speaker 1: is real, but that's what I'm gonna tell people. Fifty
Speaker 1: nine times he's dogged her out by women publicly. What
Speaker 1: ju ju might you suggest that old Chloe Kardashian does
Speaker 1: to help alleviate this cheating problem that she's dealing with.
Speaker 1: She's gotta do some type of junior that makes her
Speaker 1: gay because because there's not no way that she's gonna
Speaker 1: stop getting cheated on her line of like, not just
Speaker 1: women in Jim, but Chloe specifically in her line of like.
Speaker 1: These are the end that I want to date. All right,
Speaker 1: those the men you want to date. Well understand these
Speaker 1: the circumstances to come with it. So you gotta but
Speaker 1: rub some fucking female raccoon hair on your on your
Speaker 1: nipples become gay. Okay. So she's she's clearly attracted to
Speaker 1: an she has an unhealthy relationship with men in that
Speaker 1: she's attracted to scumbag dudes who are naturally going to
Speaker 1: cheat on her. And so your best suggestion is the
Speaker 1: rubbed female raccoon hair on herself so that she made
Speaker 1: nipples on her nipples, excuse me, so that she may
Speaker 1: free herself of her attraction to these scumbags and potentially
Speaker 1: find a nice lady to uh to build a life. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, it's a good answer. Good answer, sir, service stands.
Speaker 1: Good answer. Uh. Okay, here's another one. Nicki Minaj, Old
Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj has now had alleged pedophile for a brother
Speaker 1: and then an alleged pedophile for a husband. What would
Speaker 1: you suggest form Nicki Minaj to help alleviate the bad
Speaker 1: omens coming into her life. I don't know, keep them
Speaker 1: niggas away from Candy. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a hard one, bro, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: like speaking on family business because like it's not it's
Speaker 1: not it's not her fault. Like she's just like around
Speaker 1: these people and it's not it's not it's not her fault.
Speaker 1: But you know that's I I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say. I don't know. Stop giving them Keep
Speaker 1: them niggers away from lollipops. I heard candy. Maybe she
Speaker 1: rubs two lollipops together and uh and dips them into
Speaker 1: some rain water, and maybe that'll that'll help heal the
Speaker 1: sugar from from her life and theirs. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's that's crazy. Okay, let's do one that's a little, uh,
Speaker 1: little sillier. Maybe this will take some of the sting
Speaker 1: off of this. This is a personal favorite of mine.
Speaker 1: Terrence j Uh was once caught driving away from a
Speaker 1: hidden run with his side piece in his car. He
Speaker 1: got an accident. He was driving with his side piece
Speaker 1: side piece in the car. What Juju would you suggest
Speaker 1: for old Terence J. To help alleviate some of the
Speaker 1: mistakes that transpired. Terence J. You don't even need juju
Speaker 1: for this. All you gotta do is say that was
Speaker 1: Langston Current. That wouldn't the world will believe you, big head.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be him. You don't even need for that. There,
Speaker 1: you just big head lights skin buff. If you look
Speaker 1: at him from the right angle, get somebody else in trouble, bro,
Speaker 1: that's a good answer. Okay, this is the final one,
Speaker 1: and you gotta use juju for this one. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be blaming me for for these problems. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite one. Whatever happened to Bust the
Speaker 1: Rhymes neck? What juju? Bro? Stop juju? What do you
Speaker 1: suggest to make Buster Rhymes neck go back to normal? Bro?
Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on man. Bust is a good dude.
Speaker 1: Terrible neck, the great spirit neck? Is that the Redwood?
Speaker 1: But damn it. Sometimes I hate comedy because I don't know.
Speaker 1: Eventually I'm gonna run into him. He's like, Yo, what
Speaker 1: was on this? She was popping him on my neck?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't need me, It wasn't me. That's pretty god.
Speaker 1: I love your neck. I think care for buster. The
Speaker 1: rhymes neck. Yeah, I guess you gotta. Okay, So the
Speaker 1: only way this is gonna work is on some freaky
Speaker 1: Friday ship, like on some like you know, you gotta transferred.
Speaker 1: You got transferred bodies, but you ain't transfer their whole body,
Speaker 1: transferred their neck and whoever neck bust. You know you
Speaker 1: got a lot of he got a lot of he
Speaker 1: got a lot of he got a lot of like
Speaker 1: the platinum and golden. You know, a lot of jewelry.
Speaker 1: So you you you say that, you say the neck
Speaker 1: prayer in their the jewelry whatever, whatever Bible quote work
Speaker 1: for that. What was y'all saying earlier? It was uh
Speaker 1: one justin was saying, what's that Bible quote? So the
Speaker 1: uh that that you don't want to be lukewarm. You
Speaker 1: gotta be you want to be hot or cold when
Speaker 1: it comes to God, but you can't be look warm. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you don't want to be thick neck when it
Speaker 1: comes to God. You gotta be Just do it like that.
Speaker 1: You let me thick neck, would it come to God?
Speaker 1: You gotta be the then or in the middle or
Speaker 1: in the middle, and then say that into a ring
Speaker 1: and then you you you touched you just touch a
Speaker 1: lot of things. Neck. I want to say the women,
Speaker 1: because it would be weird if you start touching dudes.
Speaker 1: Next that you want to have you got to touch
Speaker 1: a man's You gotta run around touching man's necks and
Speaker 1: then maybe it'll transfer to you. Yo. All right, as
Speaker 1: long as you're choking them there it is all right.
Speaker 1: We did it. This is this is a great time. Kevin.
Speaker 1: Could you tell the people at home where they could
Speaker 1: find you? What? What ship you got going on? I
Speaker 1: am currently you can find me every Sunday night on showtime.
Speaker 1: It's ten thirty Eastern nine thirty Central time. I don't
Speaker 1: know what time that is l A, but you can
Speaker 1: figure outtabyn l A show Tim flat Bush Misdemeanor is
Speaker 1: every Sunday for the next like and we did four,
Speaker 1: so the next about seven weeks. Yeah, that beautiful and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a gorgeous show. Oh finished finished? Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: And then it's Kevin I so propanol on Instagram, I
Speaker 1: so propanol, like the alcohol. And then on Twitter it's
Speaker 1: I'm not available because yeah, what do you think, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think I should get back on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: like your Twitter. You tweeted once a year, and uh
Speaker 1: it was mostly you critiquing yourself for being on it.
Speaker 1: You truly seem dedicated to the art form. So yeah,
Speaker 1: get back on Twitter. It seems worth it now. Kevin's hysterical.
Speaker 1: I think he's great, and please watch flat Bush Misdemeanors.
Speaker 1: It's great, And you can follow me at Langston Kerman
Speaker 1: And as always, if you want to send us drops,
Speaker 1: if you want to send us notes, if you want
Speaker 1: to send us your own theories, please send them to
Speaker 1: my Mama pod at gmail dot com. Otherwise, wait by bit,
Speaker 1: wait no, wait, not by bitch. Last day, Langston did
Speaker 1: a fucking phenomenal job on Pause with Sam J. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's already talked about in the pot, but I
Speaker 1: ain't talk about it, so now I'm talking about it.
Speaker 1: But he did a phenomenal job head right in shot,
Speaker 1: like basically, you know, he's doing everything. I ain't gonnam
Speaker 1: out that like that, but he did a great job
Speaker 1: with that show. You guys check it out and support
Speaker 1: and you know he coming now with the motherfucking bust
Speaker 1: down soon. So stay tuned, Stay tuned, Stay tuned. Nobody's
Speaker 1: ever promoted me this much and it's beautiful. Thank you, Kevin,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, okay now officially bye bitch, racist money,
Speaker 1: turkey stuff and I can't tell me nothing my lo