WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 176 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.520 Also media. Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.559 to let you know this is a compilation episode, So 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.240 every episode of the week that just happened is here 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.239 in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.439 you to listen to in a long stretch if you want. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.000 If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:24.960 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.840 Hi, everyone, and welcome to the podcast. It's just me 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.720 James today and I'm joined by Jamie who is a librarian, 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.240 and we are here to discuss the pending federal cuts 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:42.680 on library funding and I guess years of attacks on 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.159 library funding. So welcome to the show. Jamie, thanks for 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:45.720 joining us. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:47.199 Hi, thanks for having me. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.960 Yeah, this is really great for me because I have 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.040 been trying to find librarian for a very long time 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:54.320 to talk to us on the podcast. I understand that 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.880 lots of people have been like really concerned that we 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.120 cover this, but also very afraid for their jobs, which 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.360 is a rough position to be in, So thank you 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.000 for coming on. I thought we'd start with like there 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.160 was an executive order on the fourteenth of March I 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:14.880 think it was called something like further something the federal bureaucracy, cutting, slashing, diminishing, whatever, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.040 you know, I don't really care. One of the outcomes 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.600 of this was I believe the Trump administration moving towards 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.720 a complete closure of IMLS. Is that right? 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.000 So it depends upon how much joj and Trump and 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.759 company are going to listen to Congress, because Congress has 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.800 already funded IMLS, just the Institute of Museum and Library 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.880 Services for this year, so that money already exists, it's 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:47.560 already been allocated, and so in theory, they should be 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.600 good for at least a year, and then next year 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.640 when the budget comes up again, it should be up 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.760 to Congress because Congress created this institution and Congress funds it. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.800 But the Executive Order and the commentary on it does 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.920 say that they would like to dissolve it kind of 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.360 as soon as possible, definitely next year. So it's really 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.560 up in the air about how fast things would move, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.919 what exactly would happen, if it would be this year, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.240 if it'd be next year, whether anyone's going to listen 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:16.120 to Congress. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:19.280 Yeah, we will find out, I guess. So can you 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:23.360 explain for listeners who aren't familiar what IMLS is and 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:24.080 what it does. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.440 Yeah, So it's, as I said, the Institute of Museum 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.560 and Library Services, And so basically they are allocated money 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.239 by Congress every year and then they hand it out 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.320 to states, especially them, who kind of break it down 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.799 into other grants. They give grants to states and libraries 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:46.440 and institutions for things that museums and libraries do. So 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:51.280 that includes things like on the museum side, maybe you know, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:55.840 putting together programming or doing big digitization projects. I used 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.600 to work at an institution where we had a grant 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:02.679 that did a lot of digitization of historic documents. And 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.440 on the library side, they do all sorts of stuff, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.360 especially for public libraries. They end up funding things like 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.400 summer reading programs, equipment, especially for Internet access, you know, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.960 all this stuff related to job training and those services 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.399 that libraries offer. And interlibrary loan is a big one, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.480 so that people can access materials of their library doesn't hold, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.840 but it's held by other libraries. And rural libraries and 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.880 tribal libraries especially really really benefit from this. Every single 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.280 state and territory in the country gets these funds. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.639 Okay, yeah, I was, I was wondering why who fund 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.120 it interlibrary loans so that they're the ones who facilitate 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:37.920 like the trandsporting of the books. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.240 Yeah, well, you know, depending on how your library, some 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.000 libraries will fund it from their operations budget. But if okay, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.200 you know, especially for small rural public libraries where that 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.800 might be very expensive, that is one thing that these 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.320 grants go to is interlibrary loan. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.640 Okay. Yeah, So there are lots of very important services. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.520 And what would it mean if we didn't have that 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.120 IMLS budget at all? Like, what would it mean especially 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.280 for like, like you said, those kind of libraries that 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.880 are financially I guess more marginalized in tribal libraries and 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.120 rural areas and stuff. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.960 So I first want to mention that the entire budget 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.720 of IMLS for twenty twenty four was something like two 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.320 hundred and sixty six million dollars. We're not talking about 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.080 huge sums of money in terms of the federal government. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.120 It comes out to about seventy five percent per person 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.920 in the country. So yeah, we're not going to be 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.800 saving on our taxes if this goes away, but that 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.919 money makes a really big difference. So even smaller states 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.760 that you know, maybe have a million people in it, 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.080 might see a couple million dollars of these grants per year. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.279 And so what that would mean is that the things 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.839 that maybe not all of them, but most of the 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.680 thing that these grants cover would not be there. So 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.640 that means that there wouldn't be summer reading in some places. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.240 That means that they wouldn't be able to buy the 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.520 hot spots that they lend out to people who don't 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.279 have internet at home. That means that maybe there wouldn't 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.560 be the class that teaches your grandma how to not 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.360 get caught in a fishing scam. So all sorts of things, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.359 those things just wouldn't be there because there's probably not, 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.760 especially in red states, other funds that are going to 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:10.640 come to cover that. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.240 Yeah, Like I think I was looking online and that 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.400 by Judy something, it's something like zero point zero zero 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.600 three percent of the federal budget is going to It's trivial. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.479 It's so small, right, Yeah, you could like take the 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.839 I don't know, the gold toilets away from the Navy 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.880 and cover it in yeah, right, Like it's so small, yeah, yeah, 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.080 and yet it has this enormous outsized impact. You know, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:38.040 the statistics say that every dollar spent on imls returns 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.280 two dollars to the economy. So it's actually, if you're 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.080 going to measure it that way, highly beneficial, especially to 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.040 these more marginalized areas. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.479 Yeah, maybe we should talk about that because I think 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.920 if people like maybe they just don't happen to go 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.960 to the library, maybe they don't you know, realize they 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.680 have services they need, or maybe they don't live in 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.080 the US. The library is not just a place where 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.560 you can go and borrow the books, right, Can you 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.159 explain some of the services that libraries provide, like you 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.039 mentioned some, but they really help people. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.280 Yeah, So, in for better or for worse, public libraries 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.960 in the United States have become the social safety net 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:16.400 of last resort because they already exist almost everywhere and 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.640 it's so hard to get you know, not right now, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.760 but even in the past couple decades, other social programs 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.880 started in many parts of the US that things kind 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.360 of just get lumped into the libraries. So now you 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.320 get your tax forms there, maybe they have a social 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.960 worker on staff. It's the place that homeless folks can 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:32.800 sit when it's snowing. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.000 Yeah, so that kind of is like a little bit. 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:36.440 Of side from what we're talking about right here, but 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.560 I really do want to point out that public libraries 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.560 have become the social safety net in many many places, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.920 so that aside, you know, offerings of aside from books 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:54.960 and other media including ebooks, audiobooks, movies, and lots of formats, magazines, newspapers, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.720 there are tons of classes about all sorts of things, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.320 especially technology claus It's a place that a lot of 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.360 people it's their only reliable Internet access. So you know, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.080 in twenty twenty five, you can't do mostly anything without 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.320 the internet. You can't get a job without the internet, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.960 you can't maybe pay your bills without the internet. So 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.520 that's a reliable place that people who don't have internet 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.120 for various reasons. Maybe they live so far out in 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:21.840 the country that just doesn't go there unless you have 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.960 satellite right even now, or maybe you can't afford it 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.720 or whatever, or there's one computer in your house and 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.600 there's six kids and someone has to do their homework, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.680 so what everyone else is going to do, so then 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.920 the computers themselves. And then also the other thing that 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.280 I am less also does is those grants will sometimes 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.960 purchase research databases. So if people kids, especially are trying 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.400 to do their homework. Again, like children's and teens programming 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.040 is another thing between homework help, social things clubs. So 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.160 in a lot of places where there's not much going on, 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.120 it's one of the places where young people can go 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.120 in the afternoon or on the weekend and not be 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.440 getting in trouble, either because they're making trouble or the 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.960 adults think they are. Because there's somewhere productive to be. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:06.120 There's somewhere that's inside supervised or something to do. And 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.200 so that's the kind of stuff we talk about in 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.520 normal times when we're trying to fight for like weekend 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.160 service or later hours. But if we're looking at it 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.600 in the lens of IMLS, the building might be open, 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.120 maybe because maybe they have the foundational operationals. But but 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.560 then there won't be these programs, there won't be these resources. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.400 There will just be a bunch of books on the shelves. 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.880 Yeah, It's like, I don't know, I'm amazed how many 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.600 of my friends and neighbors don't understand how much celebrity does. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.200 Like I'm forever Like San Diego A, housing prices are 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.560 ridiculous and no one seems to want them to not 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.880 be ridiculous with lots of us do, but we don't 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.120 get to choose it. And so like we have a 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.600 larger house population, and I'm always like helping my in 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.600 house neighbors go to the library and give them a 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.120 ride or whatever so they can yet, like you say, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.679 access internet services life for benefits. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.760 Yeah, or just like sit and read the paper and 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:56.720 know what's going on in the world. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.360 Yeah, and like not get harassed by the cops just 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:04.040 for existing, which is the rest of their existence here. Certainly. Yeah, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.280 these are massively important. I think most people like have 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.240 it no one because there's not really a big like 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.640 fuck the library's movement, you know, like I think people 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.680 I mean, yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess that's the 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.400 whole Like people should only read stories if they conformed 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:26.600 and whatnot. Yeah, well fuck those people absolutely. Yeah. Talking 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.840 of fuck those people, we unfortunately have to pivot to ads, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:43.160 so you know, here is some unfortunate advertisements. All right, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.000 we're back talking to people I dislike. Actually, San Diego 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.560 mayor Todd Gloria, who was elected in twenty twenty and 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:55.520 re elected shamefully this year, which is very disappointing. One 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.959 of his first actions was to propose a budget which 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.000 increased the bunding to the police, surprise, and decrease the 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:03.720 funding to the libraries. It would lead to them closing 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.280 for an extra day. Right, and this is our quote 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.920 unquote progressive mayor, who you know has been anything but 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:13.840 but this isn't a particularly uncommon scenario, right. I've spoken 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:19.160 since then to librarians around the country who, for the 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.719 last at least half decade have faced funding cuts. Can 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.880 you explain, like, why doesn't the state see value in 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.520 these services? I mean, I don't wanted to speak for 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.480 you know, the Democrats defunding the libraries to give the 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.920 cops more money, but can you explain, like why there 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.360 has been this ongoing assault on library budgets. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.079 So you know, you're talking about the last decade and 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.400 a half decade. I think we can really trace it 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:46.480 back much farther, at least thirty years to the Clinton administration. Actually, okay, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.679 I want to talk about the Democrats, but even you know, 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.200 the roots farther back than that, because we have a 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.319 neo liberal problem. Right, So it's basically the idea that 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:59.680 all activities should generate obvious immediate monetary profit, that everything 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.839 should be run by a business, that everything should be 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:05.360 subject to the market, quote unquote, And so that's where 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.319 we are with libraries. Is that even though I can 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.200 sit here and say every dollar that the IMLS spends 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.240 generates two dollars of economic activity, then that somehow isn't 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.839 even good enough because when the powers that be look 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.959 at libraries, they just see money being flushed down the 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.600 toilet and that's the only way they can measure anything. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.480 So if you look at it and you're just saying, well, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.320 this is a place we spend money. This doesn't create money, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.199 This doesn't make more money happen. The idea that everything 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.959 should be run by a business and everything is it 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.440 should be subject to market logics, that that would say, well, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.760 if we're going to subject everything to market logics, libraries 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.200 have no value because we're only measuring it. And can 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.000 this make the balance sheet? Can this make number go up? 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:50.240 Yeah? 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.400 And even though libraries do make number go up, it's 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.760 not obvious. You can't make it obvious. There's no direct 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.600 line between what libraries do and number go up, even 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.679 though there are actually is for example with IMLS. So 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.400 you know, starting during the Clinton administration, when the federal 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.959 government changed, and how the federal government work changed very 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:14.880 much under the guise of increasing service quality, but what 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.440 they actually did was lay off a quarter million workers 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.839 and you know, turn everything into contract work instead of 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:26.440 regular labor. And that I think filtered down from the 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:31.240 federal level into states and municipalities, so that those levels 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.600 of government too also started to look at how they 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.080 ran their government things. And in many places public libraries 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.880 are arms of local government. That those two should also 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.360 be run like a business and be subject to market logics, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.040 and therefore number does not go up. We don't value this, 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.360 and that's basically it is that you know. There, it's 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:57.439 hard now that we've had thirty years of overt neoliberalism 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.160 in our government system and a couple decades more of 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.560 less obvious versions of it to make government, which is 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.440 now being run like a business, even in the best 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:12.320 of times, value things that aren't that aren't valued strictly monetarily, right, 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.720 So there's no cultural value. And even if the monetary 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.920 value isn't extremely obvious, if somehow doesn't. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.000 Count, yeah, yeah, I guess it. Kind of. I used 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.440 to lecture it, so do lecture a university actually starting 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.520 again next month, but like we pivoted towards like everything 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.800 has to be stem in education Germany because. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.240 So that'll make money or something. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.720 Yeah, I don't know why, because like Bill Gates make 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.880 the line go up, and yeah, we lost so much 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.679 that has not just intangible value you say, but actual 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:45.000 tangible value, very very obvious value. But nonetheless, like like 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.680 you say, it's not easy to purn on a graph, 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.000 so it disappears. 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.120 Right, and then you know, even though cops also don't 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.200 make money, yeah, in a direct sense, somehow we can 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.600 still fund that. So it really shows that like in 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.480 the case of where you are, but the carcel solution 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.320 is now the solution we have. Yeah, and when we 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.000 sit here as abolitionists and we say, well, let's get 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.559 rid of all that stuff, and people say, well, what 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.319 are you going to do instead, our answer is often 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.720 it would be so different that it wouldn't be necessary, 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.600 so we'd have prevention of the entire situation. And that's 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.720 one of the things that libraries offer is prevention of 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.560 the entire situation, making vaslavs of the carcial state unnecessary. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.160 So there's a conscious choice there, especially when money is 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.120 being taken out of the balance sheets of a city 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.440 government from the libraries and put into the cops of 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.520 this carcural choice of saying, we'd rather everyone in life 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.680 is shit, so we can throw them in jail. Then 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.600 everyone have a nice life and no one would have 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:37.160 to go to jail. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.360 Yeah, and then they can come read a book instead, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.880 and yeah, it would be nice. It reminds me of 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.000 one of the big projects of the anarchists in Spain 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.920 in the nineteen thirties was to create popular education centers, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.680 which included libraries, right, And they funded these entirely. They 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.920 were not funded by the state. The state was not 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.360 interested in making libraries in nineteen twenties ninety thirties in Spain, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.000 and they funded them from popular subscription and from people 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.880 union dues, and they built these atta nails which are 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.200 now really beautiful places. So one of the places I 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:10.600 did my PhD in Barcelona, and like, I wonder if 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.640 there is I guess it's it's very hard for us 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.800 to conceive of like a library without the state in 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.280 the United States, right, And it like rich people putting 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.520 little libraries in in their middle class neighborhoods is not 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.680 the same thing, right, As much as they'd like to 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.480 think it is like your little phone box library. It 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.600 is not replacing these services. So like, is there a 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.520 model for like recreating this in a way that isn't 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.120 reliant on the state, which seems increasingly hostile to it. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.120 I think there's a couple models, and it depends upon 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.920 how far down the revelution you go. So the example 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.760 you gave of Spain, we have contemporary with that and 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.600 slightly more recent versions of that in the US. So 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.480 the Workmen's Circle, now the workers circle, they funded really 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.640 wonderful culture programs, including libraries. Unions often had libraries, especially 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.040 back when they used to have more buildings, like my union. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.000 I'm part of my union, and aside from just like 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.760 being where I work, we don't necessarily have a building 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.440 per se. Yeah, So those things have always existed, especially 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.760 in the workmen circle in ethnic communities who were trying 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.440 to preserve a culture. And that's something that fit into 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.000 twentieth century capitalism. And so if we go farther than 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.000 the Revolution, I read a really great pamphlet recently from 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.480 the seventies, actually that was from the UK, and it 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.360 kind of discussed libraries. You know, if we make it 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.200 through the revolution a little bit as being operated as 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:37.960 under a syndicalist model where workers and patrons is what 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.560 we call them now, that wouldn't be quite that split. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.840 Then would be able to govern and run these libraries. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.920 And there was a really great diagram. So there's definitely 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.320 been ideas for a long time about what this could 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:49.760 look like. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:54.080 Yeah, yeah, I guess in the collective's economy of revolutionary Barcelona, 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.960 library still existed at the nails existed, and I'm sure 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.920 it was a long a syndicalist model because everything was 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.360 so Yeah, I think that's like a good thing for 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.480 people to look towards. I want to stop and take 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.000 one more break, and then I want to talk about 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:21.240 what people can do to protect libraries. All right, we 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:25.359 are back so currently, Like I mean, this is like 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.680 a funding cliff for the library system, right, I suppose 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.119 it's hard to say, but like, how long would it 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.960 take before people stop seeing these services if DOGE was 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.200 to start doging tomorrow? 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.639 I honestly can't tell, you know, I think that people 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.639 it really doesn't. It's hard to say now, right because 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.800 we do have the funding there. It just will it 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.600 actually happen? Will the thing happen? 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:47.040 Yeah? 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.800 That has already been allocated. I think we have a 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.080 little bit of time, but I would expect if that 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:59.440 congressional isn't expressed that, especially when summer reading rolls around, 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.439 will really start to see it, because that's something that 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.520 a lot of people depend on to keep their kids 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.240 occupied during the summer. Yeah, and especially out you know, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.080 in red states and rural areas. It's going to be 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.520 very much like the I never thought the leopards were 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:13.679 going to eat my face. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:18.399 Yeah, yeah, kind of situation, which is sad, like because 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.159 it's someone's kid who doesn't get to go to the 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:20.919 library very. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:22.200 Often, right right, right. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.040 That sucks, you know, because it's going to be a 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.840 lot of a lot of kids, especially without those resources. 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:29.480 Yeah. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.920 I think about like how like I wouldn't have survived 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.399 my undergraduate without libraries book only grad school books are 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:41.880 super expensive, especially academic books, and like I relied very 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:43.080 heavily on intolibrary loan. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.600 Yeah. And this is you know, at the university level, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.080 to be sure, where books are very expensive. Yeah, but 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.040 at the public and school library level, you know, this 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.359 is exactly why this is happening, is because there is 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.760 this ongoing narrative from the last few decades where where people, 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.639 especially like queer kids, say that the library saves their lives. Yeah, 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.680 young people of color saying like this is the only 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.040 place I could see myself in culture by reading these books. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.639 So of course, of course this is happening because that 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:10.960 you know, they want to take that away. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.959 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a place where people can kind 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.560 of exist yeah without that. Yeah, So let's talk about, like, 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.240 how can people engage to protect their libraries. What can 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:21.840 they do? 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:22.040 What? 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.120 I like some action items they can take. 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.480 I unfortunately don't have great news. I don't think, you know, 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.560 because of the way this is working, and it is 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.600 so much about just like raw brute power that no 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.480 one at the federal government or even state governments for 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.720 the most part, seems to be able to counter. It's 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.840 just like not something they can conceive of, Yeah, because 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.080 they already are doing things that supposedly shouldn't be allowed. Right, 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.199 We've already had the congressional funding. This should have a 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.800 congressional you know, this is passed by Congress, and yet 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.919 an executive order and Elon Muskin undo it. 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:52.119 Right. 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.280 If things were working, this wouldn't be happening, right, So 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.119 we are really kind of down down the line a 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.000 little bit in what we can do and how effective 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.199 it's going to be. That said, there are things we 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:07.280 can do. A lot of them are the things that 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.200 liberals usually do, which is like calling your senator over 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.720 and over and over again every day, and your representatives 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.320 and your state or state government too, to make sure 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.080 that your state government is paying attention to what they're 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.160 going to lose. There are certainly, you know, things one 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.639 can sign on to for major library organizations. The ALA 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.560 has been writing a lot, and less formal organizations than that. 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.080 I think one thing that we can always be doing, 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.240 not just in the situation, but if you want to 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.720 be supporting libraries, one of the best thing and easiest 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.760 things you can do is go get a library card 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:41.880 if you don't already have one, and use your damn library. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.919 There's probably something there that you want and that actually 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:50.480 really does help. Because libraries, whether it's with something like 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:55.080 IMLS or whether it's grants from foundations and or local funders, 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.720 you know, their local government are better able to make 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:00.960 their argument for why they should be given money if 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.080 they have good statistics to say we had ten percent 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.560 more readers this year. You know the number of books 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:08.600 we loan this year is higher than it's ever been. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.600 People are coming to our events and droves that kind 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.440 of you know, success breeds success. If they can show 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.680 that to potential funders, they're more likely to get money. 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.879 So don't about the read the book. Just check the 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:23.160 book out, keep it for we can give it back, 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.199 you know, on time. Make those numbers go up. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:27.120 Yeah. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.399 Yeah, And you can even like, let's say you're not 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.119 inclined to go to the library for whatever reason and 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:35.359 you don't like going out, or worried about COVID or 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.040 something like, you can do most of this online, right, Like, 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.160 if you have Libby, you can certainly you can borrow books. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.000 You can borrow ebooks and audiobooks from Libby. Some libraries 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:49.399 have streaming movies. A lot of libraries have still either 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.160 all online or hybrid events that you can watch rather 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.440 than having to go to the event at the library. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.719 You know, the one thing about about some of those 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.159 streaming services and Libby that I will caution about is 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.880 that you're data is less secure. If that's something you're 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.199 concerned about, then it would be borrowing paper books. It's 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.800 good to be because most libraries, even in the kind 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.880 of tech dystopian future we live in, do a decent job, 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.719 or at least try to be good about your borrowing 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:19.919 data when you borrow hard copies. But because things like 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.679 Libby and the streaming services are third party integrations, those 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.520 collect some amount of use data. So it's absolutely great 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.520 to use those. But I would caution that if if 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:32.320 you are a person who has a very high front 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.400 model and you want to be careful about your data, 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:36.320 go for the paper. 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.960 Okay, yeah, yeah, it's kind nicer, nicer experience to read 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.800 a paper book as well. It is what about like 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.320 if people I know lots of people who are librarians 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:48.040 listen see email me like is their way that they 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.000 can organize? Who is the way the people are organizing, 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:55.040 either to prevent this or like as a way of 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.639 harm reduction, right, like, as a way of reducing the 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.879 damage to the state can do to people's access to Yeah. 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:04.440 So there are a few more radical organizations that I 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.000 think are worth paying attention to. My favorite is Library 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:11.120 Freedom Project. They're really wonderful and more willing to say 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.840 the thing without bullshit, Yeah, the thing that you know. 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.000 I would obviously urge every worker to do this, but 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.040 if you're if your workplace is not unionized, start working 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.439 on that. Yeah, that will always give you more power, 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:27.000 So you should you should start trying to organize your workplace. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.760 Yeah, definitely, hopefully hopey there's still time for people to 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:31.040 do that. 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.720 Yeah, who knows where that's going to go, but you 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:35.520 can at least try. 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.439 It's still legal now, yeah, right when it starts, and like, 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.439 regardless of what happens, Like, we're stronger in this together 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.720 than we are a part. And the unions have done 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:47.639 a lot to prevent fascism in the past. 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.960 And similarly, there are depending upon what state you live in, 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.800 there might be a state library organization that is active 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:55.720 and that would be just a good way to make 0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.120 connections with other libraries near you and their librarians. And 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.639 you know, maybe if you do lose some of your funding, 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.879 you can put your heads together and you know, use 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.480 each other's resources and have joint programming and things like that. 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.119 That makes sense. Are people like attempting so some of 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.639 the stuff i mls have is like online archives. Are 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.480 people attempting to somehow to download that in order to 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:21.000 preserve it in the event that it goes away? 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:21.840 I don't know. 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.680 That that's really is that not what's a threat? 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.520 That's not really what we Yeah, I think that there 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:30.920 are other kind of data rescue projects with the federal 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.840 government that have better data than that. IMLS doesn't get 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.800 that much data, So I wouldn't be too concerned with. 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:40.840 That, Okay, So it's more like along the workplace organizing side. 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.360 Yeah, it's definitely like trying to figure out to make 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.120 how to make your and the libraries around you keep 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.119 going and offering the things to your communities that they've 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:51.080 been offering. 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.919 Yeah, definitely, it would be pretty tragic, Like there's a 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:55.639 library not so far from my house, Like I can 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:57.200 rent my bike do it. I get it all the time, 0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:00.720 and it would be be really tragic to be without that. Yeah, 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:04.159 So yeah, please continue to organize your libraries. Is there 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.000 anything else that you'd like to plug or suggest people? 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:08.320 Like? 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.480 It's a pretty bleak time generally, and I think a 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.600 lot of us take refuge, especially in reading. Actually think 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.919 it's a way you can escape terrible things. Is there 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.399 anything else you'd like to kind of suggest for people 0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:22.960 as we dive deeper into fascism every day at the moment. 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:29.720 I think in libraries and elsewhere where. It's just being 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.480 able to offer a counter narrative, like not buying into 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.520 the idea that the library is a money hole. You know, 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.200 it can only be valued monetarily. So when you hear that, 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.520 maybe start going to your library's board meetings and when 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.960 you hear those kinds of things said, get online for 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.840 the comments and offer a different narrative. And you can 0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.760 do that all over your life in different in different ways. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:56.600 When you hear that narrative that is monetary and neoliberal 0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.560 and harmful, offer a different one. Yeah. 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.480 I think it's like, it's so sad to think that 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:05.359 we should have to quantify the value of everything monetarity, 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.640 but especially something like a library, like so many people 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.840 have had such positive engagements with them which have nothing 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.360 to do with the with the cash next. The's sort 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:17.760 of like generating revenue and that's what makes them valuable 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.399 and what makes them special sometimes. So yeah, hopefully people, 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.520 hopefully people can advocate for that. How would you find 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.399 your library board meeting if you wanted to look? 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.960 If you you're a library, if you have a public 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.040 library near you, they should have a website and the 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.920 website should have an events page that includes board meetings. 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.879 Hopefully other information about your library's board as well, and 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.280 if you can't find it, maybe call it the library 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.159 and ask. I'll probably just tell you they're really good 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:44.040 at information there. 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.720 Yeah, yeah, that is the thing that they do. All right, Well, 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:48.440 thank you so much for joining us, Jamie. That was 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.119 that was great. It was really really helpful. 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:50.959 Thanks for having me. 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:15.000 Hey and welcome. Take it happen here. Today we'll continue 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:18.520 our journey through Latin American anarchism where we last left 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.400 off with a look at the anarchist history of Uruguay. 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:27.240 We talked about Uruguay's general history, it's radical influences anarchism, 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.320 this period of popularity in the early twentieth century, it's 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:35.960 radical experiments and it's cultural influence. So today James and I, 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.320 because James is here, Hello, James. 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:38.679 Hi Andrew. 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.720 Today we're going to look at what Iuruguaian anarchists have 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:45.280 been up to from the fifties onward, paying special attentions 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:49.520 the activity of the Ferracion Anarchista Uruguaya and the idea 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:53.840 of especifismo. By the way, as James is indicated, I 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.200 am Andrew Andrew Saige. You can find me on YouTube 0:27:56.240 --> 0:28:00.720 as Andrewism. But all that aside, let's get into it. 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:07.960 The Feracion Anarchista Irguaya or FAU, was founded in Montevideo, Uruguay, 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:12.000 in nineteen fifty six. According to Paul Sharki in the 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:17.000 Feracion and Aquista Iraguaia, the FAU had very strong work 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:19.960 in class roots, as many of the militans came from 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:24.320 labor heavy districts like Zero, which definitely shaped their outlook. 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.600 The FAU was also very much emphasized in direct action 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:34.240 over electoral strategies. It favored armed struggle as a necessity 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:39.760 in reaction to save repression and economic exploitation, and the 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:45.640 FAU had a very strong stance against Marxist Leninism. Although 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.760 some members sympathized with aspects of Marxism, many of them 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:54.440 resisted to bureaucratic and authoritarian tendencies that influenced that miliu. 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.640 Unlike in many other Latin American countries, as you may 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.760 have recalled us covering in the past, anarchism persisted in 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.120 mainstream relevance even after the rise of the Bolsheviks and 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.560 the influence globally, and of course the coincide and fall 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.719 of the anarchists in Spain. According to all of us 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.600 Zenkos sixty five years of revolution, the FAU came about 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.040 in a time when u requires prosperity coming out of 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.600 World War two had come to an end, as its 0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:24.400 agricultural exports were no longer needed to feed the alli's 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:30.040 massive standing armies. This economic downturn triggered major social unrest, 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.240 which the anarchist presence was able to spring upon. One 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.920 such instance of unrest involved one hundred and fifty thousand 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.600 workers going on strike in Salidarity with their fellow workers 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:44.560 in a tire factory. During the strike and after, the 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:49.320 FAU involved students, unionists, intellectuals, community organizers, and even a 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.120 few exiles from the Spanish Civil War to build up 0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:56.080 a more united labor movement. So rather than having unions 0:29:56.080 --> 0:30:01.600 split along political ideological affiliations like moderates, socialists, anarchists, right 0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:05.360 populists and so on, there'll be one big tent just 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.120 focused on labor. Now, I personally think a big tent 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:14.520 has its benefits and its drawbacks, as with any other strategy. 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.080 I think the benefit is obviously that it has the 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.440 ability to mobilize a large number of people. But I 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.880 think the difficulty in the drawback is that having so 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.720 many affiliations under that big tent can mean it there's 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:30.400 not really much of a shared goal left behind, Like, yeah, 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.920 the anarchists want anarchy, the right populists might just want 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.239 to secure some benefits and protections, and the socialists will 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.440 be interested in launching a party. Sure they all proclaim 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.120 to have some interest on the side of the workers 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.040 or how that manifests looks different from group to group. 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.320 But we'll see how that big tent approach turned out 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:55.720 for the FAU. So they formed the National Confederation of 0:30:55.800 --> 0:31:00.800 Workers or CNT as that big tent in nineteen sixty four, 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:06.000 but even before that there was a split, not too 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:10.080 much of a surprise. After the Cuban Revolution, the FAU 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.240 is actually divided between those who were opposed to Castro 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:18.280 and those who critically supported the revolution. Those who were 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.200 opposed to Castro eventually broke away from the FAU in 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:25.520 nineteen sixty three as Castro entrenched himself in the Soviet Bloc, 0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.920 while those who remained in the FAU were critical of 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:33.120 Castro and his government but still supported the fall of Batista. 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:38.680 Of course, with the Cuban Revolution, came that very noticeable 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:43.480 shift in American foreign policy. They saw that with all 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.680 that happening right in their backyard, they need to take 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.920 a very different approach if they wanted to win the 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:52.360 Cold War. Such a Zignco actually describes how in nineteen 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:56.400 sixty one JFK changed the approach of the now infamous 0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:00.480 School of the Americas from preparing for Soviet invasion to 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:07.160 prepare in for anti communist counterinsurgency against homegrown revolutions. So 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:11.440 as a result, militaries across Latin America became more right 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:16.280 wing and seized power for themselves to protect civilians from 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:20.280 the danger of their rights. In nineteen sixty four, it 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.240 was Brazil, in nineteen sixty eight, it was Peru, in 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.640 nineteen seventy three was Chile, and Uruguay fell, and in 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:31.480 nineteen seventy six Argentina fell. So Zenko noted in jest, 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:35.720 over a decade, Uruguayan and anarchists would becomes surrounded by 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:40.120 right wing dictatorships which collaborated to round up and extillminate 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.640 left wing dissidents of all flavors. Not to mention, the 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:49.560 economic situation wasn't exactly getting better. According to Paul Sharky. 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.120 Between nineteen fifty five and nineteen fifty nine, the cost 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:57.239 of living doubled and wages did not keep pace. By 0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:01.560 nineteen sixty five, inflation was running one hundred percent ABU 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:06.640 nineteen sixty seven at one hundred and forty percent madness. 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:10.280 Yeah, well just wait and see, Andrew, Oh yea, yeah, 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.360 we are living in some interesting times. 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.360 Yeah, yeah, you never know. 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:20.800 So the president that preceded the military dictator imposed a 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:25.920 wage freeze and devalue the currency. That was his bright idea, 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:30.960 his solution to the crisis. So people's lives were obviously 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.480 getting worse and the time had come for some decisive action. 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.440 So the CNT aided in strikes across sectors and even 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.920 tried to call for a general strike as the encle rights. 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:45.760 The FAU decided that they were going to take on 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.520 a strategy of urban guerrilla warfare, so they tapped into 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:53.840 a coalition of leftist groups to robin hood food from 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.520 the corporations to be able to the poor. Awesome, have 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:01.480 just hit it, Yeah, But sadly the coalition couldn't last 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:05.280 very long. Differences in strategy would lead to the FAU 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.560 doing its thing by building defense councils similar to those 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.000 organized in the Spanish Civil War. 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:10.719 Yeah. 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:14.760 Interesting, while the other groups copied a Sheikwavara style gorilla 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:19.799 army approach, forming the National Liberation Movement to Permeros or 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:20.520 the MLNT. 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:26.000 The existential debate among anarchists in arms is this that 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:30.680 you've just like highlighted, right, it's need we form authoritarian 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:34.720 structures similar to those using, for example, the Cuban Revolution, 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:40.480 the Russian Revolution, these kind of statist revolutions which characterize 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.480 the left in the twentieth century in some ways. Or 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.680 is it possible for us to go from our community 0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.160 defense and the defense committees like the six person groups 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:54.800 that the CNT organized in Spain to a more egalitarian 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:59.000 large formation, like a like a truly revolutionary army. And 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.840 like the split that you're talking about is the split 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:03.439 that almost every movement had. 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:08.680 Yeah. Although the mlent T was necessarily anarchists. 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.440 Right, they were like following the Castro model, Is that right? 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.839 Like the Shagha Vara kind of guerrilla warfare. 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:17.400 Doctrine, pretty much the Gervara sort of model. 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:17.879 Yeah. 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.800 Although I'm glad that you bring up this point because 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:24.920 it's actually something that I was writing about earlier today 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:26.920 in preparation for a video. 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:27.880 Interesting. 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.000 I think there's a conflation that anarchists need to be 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:36.120 careful with between leadership in the sense of authority, as 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:39.359 in the right to command and control and that kind 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:46.920 of thing, versus leadership in the sense of guidance, advice, coordination, expertise. 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:48.640 Yeah. 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.400 I think that just as that you might have even 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.279 you might have an anarchist construction collective, right and they're 0:35:55.280 --> 0:36:01.399 building a house, you might have something like foreman who 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.480 is coordinating all the actions and all the different builders 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:08.240 and all the different treatsment of engaging in to ensure 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.520 that the different parts of the house come together cohesively 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.960 and seamlessly, that nobody is like stepping on anybody's tools, 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:19.080 that everything is being done in a proper timement. That 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.880 is an instance where there will be coordination without necessarily 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.680 having authority. It's just really a division of labor to 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.520 ensure that the task that everybody is there to accomplish 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.560 can be accomplished. And the person who is given that 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:37.480 particular task within that division of labor is doing so 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.440 by taking all that responsibility. But just as they have 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.640 the responsibility, others will also have the responsibilities and that 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:50.239 does not elevate them above the other people in that association, right, yeah, 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:51.840 and so kind of in the same way that you 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:56.160 have that in a construction site. I think that that 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.120 is the kind of approach we need to take in 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:03.040 a military formation, where the person who is you know, 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:07.560 respected for their knowledge of military strategy or has the 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.200 information or the expertise to be able to handle the 0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.920 planning of that approach. Because we're all here to win, right, 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.319 We're all here to defend our freedom and to defend 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.400 the freedom of the people we love. So there's no 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.920 sense in splitting off into a bunch of different groups 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.640 and failing out our task when we can come together 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:30.279 where necessary to engage in the coordination of our strategy 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:34.200 to improve the chances of our success. You know. And 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.520 of course there is a vulnerability in times of warfare 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.759 that we do have the knowledge because warfare historically is 0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.480 one of the times that is the most ripe for 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:50.040 authoritarian and seizure and control. But because that vulnerability exists 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.040 in those times is when I think we have to 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.120 be extra vigilant of how that could potentially manifest. You know, 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.400 we don't sacrifice our course and defense of the course, 0:37:58.440 --> 0:37:59.400 you know what I'm saying. 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.600 Definitely, because it's easy to do that. It's easy to 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.880 be persuaded that this situation is unique and different, and 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.920 therefore we need to accept some kind of compromise of 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.879 the very essence of what we're doing, the method that 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.800 like the people I have spoken to, both those within 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.640 formations today in Rajava and West in Java, but also 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.360 in the Emma and those for instance in the Iron Column, 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.879 which was a FI column in the spanishivil War. They're 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.960 probably the most famous for leaving the front line to 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.200 attack the cops because they felt they didn't have enough 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.279 weapons and that the cops had too many. And what 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.640 they did was that they created a concept of the 0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:39.800 minimum necessary discipline, discipline being something that one has for oneself, 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:44.040 not the hunting that comes from above. And they had 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.680 leaders who would lead in times of combat right when 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:50.439 we needed to make swift and decisive action. There wasn't 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:55.319 time to obtain consensus. They used consensus to arrive at 0:38:55.320 --> 0:39:00.000 those leaders. Those leaders were able in times of urgency 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.400 to make urgent decisions, but that didn't confer to power 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.560 or status outside of that moment. 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.160 Yeah, yeah, it's just like in an emergency scenario, you know, 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:14.239 somebody is, you know, leading a surgery, for example, or 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:19.560 leading a rescue operation. That doesn't mean that they're elevated 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:21.600 above everybody else. That just means that they have the 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.879 knowledge and the skills to accomplish that particular task, and 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:30.000 the others of their own free will respect that knowledge 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:34.440 enough to go out with what the person is recommending exactly. 0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:37.240 Yeah, and that, yeah, that doesn't mean that that person 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.560 is inherently capable of bossing you around, exactly. 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.280 And I like the mention of discipline in particular because 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.319 that really is a distinction, because he will talk about, oh, 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.399 you need to have military discipline, how you school stab 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:53.560 military discipline without blind obedience to authority, I'm sure we're 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.360 not going to have we're ever going to have discipline 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:59.840 to the extent that soldiers are dehumanized and treated like 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:04.120 canon fodder as you would find in a traditional authoritaria 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:09.880 and military. But the discipline is derived from solidarity, is 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.640 derived from the responsibility people have for each other, the 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.320 capable have for each other within their formulation, and the 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:18.600 responsible do they have for their own actions as being 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.120 part of that formation, and for how their actions will 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:22.160 affect those around them. 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.080 Yeah, exactly, And I think that's something like you say 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.200 it again and again when you read the column, the 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.000 Derouty column newspaper, right, they talk about discipline and how 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.520 we have to have a discipline comes from our commitment 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.840 to our cause and to each other, not from any 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:39.239 fear of repercussions or like quote unquote disciplinary action, but 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.279 from like the fact that we we don't want to 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:43.839 let our comrades down, or do we want to let 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.640 our course down, and like when people do do that. Right, 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:49.840 there are It doesn't mean there aren't disciplinary actions, but 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.920 it means that those are like like you said before, 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:54.919 you don't break away from the core of what you're doing. 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:58.720 So they agree by consensus to include with the person 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.640 who has done the thing that is considered to be wrong, 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.959 what a suitable punishment would be or a suitable set 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.560 of repercussions would be. So then it reinforces the idea 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:13.759 of like consensus and like discipline coming from oneself rather 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:14.960 than from fear of punishment. 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:19.319 Yeah, I think there is, of course the potential for 0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:24.879 processes to potentially become How do I want to put this? 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.400 What I will say is I think it's necessary. But 0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:35.520 even in engaging with those who have you broken trust 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:41.680 or who have seemingly split from the association or have 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:45.200 jeopardized the safety and security of the association, that you 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.200 find we us to deal with those situations on a 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:51.200 case by keyse basis. You know that you're responsive to 0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:56.520 the particular circumstances that cause that action that particular outcome, 0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.680 rather than as you would find in modernil ries where 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:04.320 you have like a very clear this action has this consequence, 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.680 this action has this concert this action like a lot 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:10.719 more flexibility is required because we understand that we don't 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.520 have this matrix of crime that authorities do. You know, 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.080 we're dealing with calm. They deal with crime, right, and 0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.239 so in dealing with harm, we have to approach each 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:25.359 of those situations in the context of their situations rather 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:30.719 than in some sort of cold like distant calculation, you know. 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.880 And I think in approaching it in that way, people 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:38.120 are more willing I think, to fess up or to 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.040 take accountability for their harm because they know that there's 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.919 that relationship there that you're going to try to work 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.600 through it. That well, there may be many potential consequences 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.680 to their actions there's an openness to dialogue there rather 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.640 than a rigidity of this is what you did, so 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:55.640 this is the outcome automatically. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.360 Yeah, I mean that is the latter is like a 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:02.319 system that looks not at people but quote unquote crimes, right, 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:07.480 and like this is the opposite of a restorative justice system, 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.440 which looks at people in the situation they are in 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.799 and not just the worst thing that they happen to 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:12.480 have done. 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:12.400 It. 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.040 We should return to South America and really once again diverted. 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:20.600 Yes, yes, although I feel like these digressions always get 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.880 to something essential and brings out something extra to what 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:37.600 I would have, you know, prepared in advance. So we 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.520 had this split, right, we had the FAU and then 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:43.040 you had the m L and T. And they did 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.520 collaborate where there was a common cause, but it wasn't 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:50.880 a permanent collaboration, you know. And while this was taking 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:54.560 place in the urban guerrilla warfare sphere, you had different 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:58.000 things taking place in the labor movement. The FAU was 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:01.000 dealing with the consequences of big tent to organize in 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:05.560 as they found that the Uruguayan Communist Party or PCU 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:10.560 had pretty successfully claimed significant influence in the cnt SO. 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:14.680 In response, according to Suzenko, the FAU created a rank 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:18.480 and file alliance called the Combative Tendency, which pushed for 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:23.359 more militancy and less bureaucracy in the union movement. Through 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.040 that alliance, the FAU was able to accomplish a lot 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.600 more outreach and action, but in return, the President of 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:35.160 Uruguay introduced emergency laws executed by the military to counter 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:40.160 the unrest. The revolutionary Left continued to fight against military's 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.800 involvement in civilian life and also formed a daily people 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:48.000 called Ipoca. When the government was like, stop, don't do that, 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.000 that's illegal. And when the government says stopped on that, 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.160 that's illegal, that means they put boots on the ground, 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:57.800 and you know, raided their offices, and so the people 0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:01.560 fell apart and the groups involved went under around and 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.719 like I said, the military raided their bases. But then 0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:10.960 when the FAU was like, let's get the band back together, unfortunately, 0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:17.080 the other groups were too scared to resurface, understandably, and 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:22.879 so because of that fear, the PCU kind of had 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.879 a fall from Greece. You know, for a while they 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:31.160 were big boys on campus and the cnt but after 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:35.440 the FAU kind of came to the forefront again in 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.319 called its bravery and stuff. They kind of end up 0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:42.560 falling back. And you see, the PCU had chosen to 0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.760 appease the military because they believed that a leftist faction 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:49.320 within the rounds the army might support their bid for power, 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.279 kind of like what happened in the Russian Revolution. And so, 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.560 you know, they really thought they were cooking something. But 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.799 as it saying goes, the store was not even on. 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:02.960 I haven't heard that one in this game. 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:07.200 Yeah, the military saw them as pretty much insignificant, so 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:11.120 much so that while other leftist groups were facing severe oppression, 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:15.880 the PCU was actually pretty much left alone. And so 0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:19.480 when the union rank and files saw that and tilling 0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:22.440 their backs on the PCU, they ended up turning their 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:25.520 focus toward the combative tendency because at least they were 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:29.120 doing radical and serious stuff. And so the unions were 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:32.839 under attack from all sides, the police, the military, and 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:37.000 even neo fascist gangs, and the FAU led combatitive tendancy 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.560 was focused on defending these workers' movements from those threats. 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.080 According to the Zenko, the FAU held a secret congress 0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.120 and formed their own armed wing the OPR thirty three, 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.680 which unlike other gorilla groups in the region, wasn't a 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:55.640 top down organization. Instead, individual cells had the freedom to 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.719 decide how they carry out missions and which actions it 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.520 took part in the affair. You still set the overall strategy, 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:06.480 but it wasn't about becoming some kind of vanguard. And 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.760 some of the actions, by the way, according to Sharki, 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:13.160 included bank robberies and factory owner kidnappings. 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:15.920 It's like old school Spanish anarchism. 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.520 Yeah, well there were some old school Spanish anarchists within 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.719 their ranks. Yeah, so he really can't be surprised. 0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:26.160 Yeah, yeah, I drew. There's this wonderful line in able 0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.880 Pass's book about de Ruti that de Ruti was very 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.200 fond of children, so he risked his life robbing banks 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:33.120 to fund their education. 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:34.560 Oh that's beautiful. 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.799 It's such a wonderful Like, yeah, it's beautiful. 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.520 Yeah. I don't know, I just enjoy it very much 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.640 the whole Like you never know what direction that sentence 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:44.359 is going to go in. 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:49.680 That is a quintessential example of that, Yeah, I think. Yeah, 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:51.239 so you know, you do what you have to do 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:52.200 pretty much. 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.319 Yeah. Yeah, And like I think it's really like he 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.080 wasn't maximalist for the sake of maximalism. He was maximalist 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:01.440 for the sake of like educating children. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't. 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.760 He didn't see the violence as and ended. 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:08.640 Itself exactly exactly. It had a cause and reasoning behind it. Yeah, 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.440 And the FAU was the same way. Or their reasoning 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:14.200 was just that if the capitalist class was going to 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:17.239 use force to protect their interests, then the workers should 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:18.920 be able to use force to defend theirs. 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.279 Yeah, yeah, fannel and stuff, And so. 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.760 They did what they had to do. Meanwhile, the PCU 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:28.440 was stuck to their policy of appeasement, which actually had 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:32.080 a detrimental effect in the broader movement. As a military 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:35.960 kept growing in strength, and so the very anti communist 0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:40.160 military's involvement in breaking up all the work activities emboldened 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:43.320 their role in politics. And then, once they defeated the 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:46.520 m l n T, with the FAU struggling to resist 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:50.279 isolated by the PCU's in action, the military to on 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:54.080 the opportunity to coop the government, leading to the rise 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:58.160 of Juan Maria Porteraberi, the first president of the Civic 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:02.839 military dictatorship in ninety seventy three. In the aftermath, the 0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:06.040 FAU made the tough call to move the operations to Argentina, 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:10.239 which hadn't yet fallen to military distatorship. From there, they 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:13.879 worked within the CNT to organize a massive fifteen day 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.480 general strike. It shut the country down for a time, 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.680 but it wasn't enough, and the efforts to keep up 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:24.560 the fight were constantly undermined by the PCU, which still 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:29.759 insisted on negotiating instead of taking real action. Meanwhile, the 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:33.440 people were suffering. According to Sharky, between nineteen seventy one 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.000 and nineteen seventy six there was a thirty five percent 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:39.960 fall in real wages, and by nineteen seventy nine inflation 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.719 was running at eighty percent, with wages limping behind at 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:48.760 forty five percent. So until nineteen seventy six, the FAU 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:53.279 continued to work between Argentina and Uruguay, but after Argentina's 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:57.880 coup that was it. The coach Enko directly. During the 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:04.560 US's operation, Condo dictatorships across Latin America continued coordinated to kidnap, torture, 0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:09.280 and murder leftists across the continent. Between sixty eight thousand 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.719 and eighty thousand leftists were killed and more than four 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:18.120 hundred thousand were placed in political prisons end courde Jesus, 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:20.800 And I think we need to sit with those numbers, 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:24.520 because it's very easy to hear numbers like that and 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:28.279 just think, you know, that's just a statistic. Pretty much 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.359 we hear big numbers of mine, kind of goes statistic. Yeah, 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:34.920 but to like think about the impact that would have 0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.720 for tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:41.920 to be just taken out, whether killed or imprisoned, leaving 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:47.760 like a keeping a whole of knowledge, of experience, of education, 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:53.640 of radicalism. Yeah, a country may take decades to recover 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:57.600 from something like that. It's a cultural death in a sense. 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:02.200 You know, this is a political movement, but it's it's 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:06.080 kind of similar to how during Cluanissm, elders would be 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.399 wiped out and with them all of their knowledge, all 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:14.239 of their oral histories, all their languages just wiped out 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:15.240 in an instant. 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:16.360 Yeah. 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:18.719 This is different, of course as a political ideology as 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:22.160 opposed to an entire culture and ethnicity, but it's still 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:27.400 just a massive loss of all that history, all that experience, 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.040 all that radicalism and information just gone. 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:33.680 Right, Yeah, it's hard for a movement to recover from that. 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:36.960 Yeah, it's not like a genocide or its colonial kind 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.520 of you could call it like a dec well, it's 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.400 like a decapitation of the movement, I suppose. 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:43.920 Well, I would say it's more than a decapitation, because 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:47.200 it's not just like notable figures that were taken out, 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:52.640 or particularly influential thought leaders or anything. It's almost everybody. Yeah, 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.680 anybody who had that fight in them, or had that 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.280 radical knowledge or consciousness. 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:02.320 Yeah, anyone with any lived experience, all the things they'd learned, 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:04.760 all the mistakes they'd made, learned from like a garden 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.360 that the movement has to begin almost from like a 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:08.000 blank slate. 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.520 Yeah, the history is basically raised in a sense, all 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:14.600 this left is really what they might have written down, yeah, 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.040 which is obviously only a small portion of what they 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:19.640 might have had to share with the rest of the world. 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.520 Yeah, especially in a movement that's been criminalized and pursued 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.080 by the state. Right, Like what they write down is 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.399 what they risk the state discovering, so that they're only 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:28.799 going to risk write sen things down. 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:32.719 Yeah. Yeah, and then you know, when you look at this, 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.960 this this didn't just happen, you require, that's happened all 0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.920 over the world. In some cases, this massive wipeout of 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.880 the anarchists movement took place even earlier, you know, in 0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:45.839 the nineteen hundreds, nineteen tens, nineteen twenties. But in all 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:50.440 these cases, that loss is something that we are still 0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.799 in a sense recovering from. We kind of had to 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:58.279 solly build back, but we still haven't ever reached in 0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:03.120 many places the heights that anarchism's at at certain points 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:05.319 in its history. It's in parts of the world. 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.319 Yeah, I mean, look at even like Spain still has 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:12.840 a very strong anarchosyndicalist movement, right, but like the best 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:18.600 of the anarchists died in Aragon, in Madrid and in 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:22.160 concentration camps afterwards, or fighting in the Second World War, 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.760 and like, it took decades for that movement to recover, 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:28.000 and it's still not as strong as it was. That 0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:30.000 this was one of the high points. 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:33.799 Especially when the legacy is so much erased. You know, 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.719 when you look at how histories are taught everywhere in 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:39.520 the world, you're barely going to get a mention of 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:42.880 anarchism despite the massive role that plead in sheep in 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.719 the twentieth century, nineteenth and twentieth centuries. 0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:48.359 Yeah, this has been one of my constant things as 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.920 a historian, is that like, when people write histories today, 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:55.560 they write them from the perspective of the inevitability of 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.480 the state. And like, I'm not alone in making this analysis. 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.960 David Graeber does it. Scott did it too. The idea 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:05.360 is that people who exist outside of the state are behind, 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:09.600 and that they have failed or chosen not to advance 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:13.359 to the more advanced human existence that is a state. 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:15.520 And Jim Scott does this in the art of not 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.840 being governed, right, Like, if we look instead as people 0:54:18.880 --> 0:54:22.680 who have chosen to refuse the state, then we understand 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:26.680 anarchism as a choice that people would make knowing the 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.160 options available to them, rather than a step backwards of 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:32.719 failure to advance to the state. And we can look 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.600 at a whole of history from that perspective and see 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:38.719 it very differently. But most historians don't exactly. 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.480 I'm sure you've in commented this where people just kind 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.960 of assume, all, well, the anarchists lost, so that means 0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:57.879 the destined to lose. Yeah, they lost that particular fight 0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:02.560 that doesn't mean the war necessarily lost. And additionally, states 0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:03.439 have lost too. 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:06.120 Yeah, states continue to lose. 0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:09.600 States, state projects have lost, continue to lose, you know, 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:14.319 the capitalist project, capitalist businesses, they lose, they fail. That 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:18.480 doesn't mean that the project is destined to lose. The 0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:21.719 destined to feel just means that particular iteration or that 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:26.960 particular attempt was not able to succeed in all its ambitions. 0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:31.799 Yeah, and like, as historians, we shouldn't be making that judgment, right, 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:33.960 We should be attempting to learn from and document the 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:36.239 past rather than to sort of categorize it into like 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:38.279 failed and successful. 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:42.680 Yeah, that too, because the standards, the standards of failure 0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:49.239 and success are often dictated by the standpoint of the 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:50.040 status school. 0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:51.680 Yes, very much so. 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:56.360 Yeah, It's kind of like how the Heitian Revolution is 0:55:56.400 --> 0:56:02.359 spoken of as the only succes sucessful slave revolts, or 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:06.480 one of the only successful slave revolts. Understand for success 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.400 in that case is that they were able to establish 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:13.720 an independent state, whereas other slave revolts in other parts 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:16.239 of the world, including within the Caribbean, would have taken 0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:21.920 different paths. The Maroons, for example, their former revolts was 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:26.400 a withdrawal from the system that surrounded them, creating a 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:30.319 pocket of resistance, isolating themselves. Same thing in Brazil we 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:35.719 had Kilombo's these set of ones that extracted themselves from 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:38.400 the surround and oppressive structure and try to survive to 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.480 the extent that they could not. All of them lasted. 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:47.200 But nothing lasts forever, you know, Countries rise and fall. 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:49.960 And so I think if we limit ourselves to just 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:53.759 the example of Haiti, particularly in the context of success 0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.560 in a slave revolution, I think we miss out on 0:56:56.560 --> 0:57:00.640 a lot of those other examples and opportunities for inspiration guidance. 0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:04.120 Yeah, I think you're right. I think like it supplies 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.920 to lots of places. I think about it, Like, you know, 0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.040 I'm fortunate to have this like background in history, but 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.719 also to be with people in their moments of revolution 0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:15.920 and to spend time with revolutionaries in the MR. And like, 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:20.120 one of the analysies that you always see is that, like, 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:24.880 this creation of liberated spaces is a not enough or 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:28.120 be like there are also places within the non government though, 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.960 and where there is still very strong control from a 0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:35.120 pseudo state, right, Like, but I think that overlooks the 0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:40.040 fact that, yeah, there are not like like libertarian states, 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:43.440 but people are living their lives without gods and masters, 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:47.480 that they are like experiencing freedom in every moment, and 0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.840 they are liberated in their own lives as they continue 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:54.800 to struggle to liberate territory in other people. That might 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:58.840 be what success looks like, like that they are able 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:00.800 to be self realized. 0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:04.200 Yeah, just the psychological experience in itself, it cand of 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:08.000 be under understated or underrated, even if it's on that 0:58:08.040 --> 0:58:11.120 small scale of the individual, that's still valuable. 0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:15.720 Yeah, and like if we if we acknowledge that, it's 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:20.240 much harder to go back, Like those people can't go 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:24.480 back because they've existed in liberation, right, Like that that 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.640 they've lived in a free way. Yeah, and like they 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.520 will always know that that freedom is possible, that they 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:34.840 can live without authority, live with without state power, that 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.600 that like liberation is a thing that can exist not 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:39.560 just in our minds but in physical space. 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:42.120 And like exactly, they. 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:45.280 Will always know that, like that's that's available, And if 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.000 we can tell those stories, so will other people. 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:51.840 Exactly exactly, because that listening, as we speak about so often, 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.360 it's the need in the process of social revolution to 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:59.080 help people's powers drives and consciousness. You do that by 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:04.080 giving people both of course theoretical education and you know, 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:08.360 share knowledge in that sense, but also through experience because 0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:10.880 and I've used us phrase before, you can't put the 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:14.360 gene back in the bottle. You can't go from experience 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:20.160 in freedom to a situation of unfreedom and then struggles 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.600 rulers and think, oh that's all they could have a 0:59:22.640 --> 0:59:26.400 be After you've experienced to the status quo, you're not 0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:28.240 going to go back to thinking the status quo is 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:30.320 all there is and all that could ever exist. 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:33.880 Yeah, yeah, exactly. We have to remember that when we're 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:36.360 looking at these things, Like it's easy to look from 0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:39.440 where something ended and project that back, but we have 0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:41.720 to understand how it felt when people were doing it too. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:46.120 Exactly. So what kind of we kind of left on 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:50.640 an on a somber chapter in the Uruguay's anarchist history, 0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:54.280 because unfortunately it was only after the fall of Uraguai's 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.840 stutatorship in nineteen eighty five the anarchist militants were able 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:01.120 to return to Uruguay and re estableublished the FAU in 1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:06.400 a fractured political and social landscape with greatly reduced numbers. 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:10.280 Some of the former anarchists involved in the FAU created 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:14.600 the People's Victory Party or PvP in exile, which had 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:18.720 attempted to reorganize resistance efforts but also fell into some 1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:23.360 Leninist tendencies. But the main line after you continue to 1:00:23.360 --> 1:00:28.600 focus on grassroots organizing, workers struggles and political education. It 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:32.080 continues to be engaged in Latin arcananarchist networks, particularly with 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:37.200 Brazilian and Argentine groups like the Ferrascau Anarchista Culture, the 1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:42.440 Frau Araquista KABOCLA, the Ferrachau Anarchista do Rio de Janeiro, 1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:48.560 and the Argentine organization ALCA. Despite its past radicalism, the 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:53.240 FAU has shifted towards a broader approach integrated mass movements 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:57.960 while retaining its equipment to anti authoritarian socialism. Since then 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.000 and up to today, they approach has aligned with the 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:05.600 practice of especifismo, which it developed to rebuild their strength 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:08.920 in Irauguaian and political movements. That approach has since been 1:01:08.960 --> 1:01:14.640 influential across Latin America and beyond, including North America, Europe, Asia, Africa, 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:18.640 and Oceania. I've actually spoken about Especifismo on this podcast 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:22.080 before and on my channel. But to give a quick summary, 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:27.240 Especifismo is an organizational approach guided by three key concepts. 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:30.880 The first is the need for specifically anarchist organization built 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:34.560 around a unity of ideas and practice. The second is 1:01:34.600 --> 1:01:37.720 the use of the specifically anarchist organization to theorize and 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:41.440 develop strategic political and organize and work. And the food 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:45.000 is active involvement in and shaping of autonomous and popular 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:48.480 social movement, which is described as the process of social 1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:52.960 in social as. Pacifists reject the left unity idea of 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:56.520 a synthesis organization of revolutionaries or even multiple currents of 1:01:56.560 --> 1:01:59.840 anarchists loosely united, because they feel it boils down to 1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:04.440 lowest common denominator politics. The feel that when this unity 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:07.640 is preferred at any cost, it leaves little room for 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:11.640 united action or developed political discussion. It can be described 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:14.400 in a sense as an affinity group with the shared 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:18.240 interest in the advancement of a very specific politic. But 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:22.240 they aren't just internally focused, you know. Specifismo is focused 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:26.120 and build in popular power as a means of revolutionary transformation, 1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:31.160 rejecting both electoral and vang Goddess Marxist approaches. So the 1:02:31.280 --> 1:02:36.080 especifies more distinguishes between specifically anarchist political organizations or affinity 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:41.880 groups and broader mass movements, and they advocate for anarchists 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:46.480 creating the former and inserting themselves in the latter, building 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:50.280 up anarchist presence and the presence of anarchist ideas in unions, 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:53.040 in student groups, and in community struggles. So, if you 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:55.880 want a more in depth exploration of especifismo, I suggests 1:02:55.920 --> 1:02:59.920 reading the discussion between Philippe Korea and Juan Carlos Maco 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:03.360 so call the Strategy of a Specifismo on the Anarchist Library, 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:06.800 and they talk about how the fragmentation of the working 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:11.160 class under neoliberalism has created some very distinct challenges that 1:03:11.240 --> 1:03:15.640 require fresh organizational strategies and less dogmats of critgity to 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:19.120 simplistic class analysis. But they also speak for the need 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:23.480 to coordinate and discipline and strategically engage anarchist groups within 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:27.600 social movements, routaining the independence but engaging in their struggle. 1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:30.440 And they also end up in that interview discussed in 1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:34.400 the FAUS long Term Strategy as a process of resistance, 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:40.240 rupture and reconstruction resistance, meaning that the strengthening crassroots organizations 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:44.400 direct action and ideological development, rupture meaning that they're breaking 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:49.280 away from catalyst institutions through revolutionary action and reconstruction meanings 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:52.720 they establish a new social relations based on self management 1:03:53.080 --> 1:03:55.920 and mutual aid. It's kind of similar to the way 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:59.360 that I break down social revolution conceptually as an approach 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:04.720 that incorporates both opposition and the proposal of alternatives. So 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:08.880 I have been thinking about specifies more lately. I've made 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:14.680 that video many years ago, and my anarchist understanding has 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:18.760 shifted a lot, especially recently, in going back and looking 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:21.520 at how I would have analyzed things previously, I think 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:25.120 there's some different directions that I might take certain things in. 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:29.560 I think, for example, the idea of affinity groups engaging 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:34.400 in social intution is extremely valuable in shifting the conversation 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:38.439 within you know, these mass movements. But I also think 1:04:38.440 --> 1:04:42.000 that there's a risk in the ways in which a SPECIFIESMO, 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:46.880 if not properly understood or conceptualized, could end up opening 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:52.680 ground for co optation towards some rather unanarchist outcomes. You 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:54.120 know what I mean by that is, I think it's 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:58.360 important one discussing a specifies more to be very careful 1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:02.080 against the interpretation of it as some kind of vangguard 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:05.760 as strategy or way to dictate a vision of anarchy. 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:08.520 I think that even if somebody has taken the pacifist 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:12.240 approach in creating an efficiency group organized around a very 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:17.880 specific form of anarchism, that group should still be in 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:22.840 conversation with different tendencies and engaging in an ongoing process 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:27.400 of critique and convergence of ideas. I believe this is 1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:31.680 the sort of motivation between Malichesta's idea of synthesis and 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:35.520 the Synthesis Federation in anarchist history. I've still learn a 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:39.240 bit about that, but anyway, I'd love to hear about 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:41.520 what they are for you, and as anarchists you require 1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:44.439 up to here. Now you know they can feel free 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:46.600 to reach out to me. I have a website now, 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:50.560 Andrew Sage dot org, and I wish them or power 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:53.640 to all the people. That's it for me today. You 1:05:53.640 --> 1:05:55.919 can find me on YouTube and Patreon and this has 1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:59.360 been it can happen here peace. 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:24.640 Welcome to kidnapp and hear a podcast where I last 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:27.560 left rfk JR on the proclamation that if he was 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:30.840 able to take off as millions will die, and all 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:33.440 evidence suggests that I am going to be right about this. 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:37.040 I am your host Mia Wong with me is Gare Lou. 1:06:37.240 --> 1:06:40.440 He's making the meme come true. He's making the millions 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:41.479 millions must die. 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:47.360 We're really, really, really, truly only the white Man could 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:50.800 make real unlimited gedocide in the first world. It's great, 1:06:50.960 --> 1:06:53.600 it's great stuff. So this is going to be a 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:58.560 recap episode of not even all like some of the 1:06:58.600 --> 1:07:02.560 stuff AREFK Jr. Has done since he's gotten confirmed as 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:07.480 the fucking United States is Secretary of Health and Human Services, 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:11.960 an organization which can includes so many things, but like 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:18.440 for example, the NIH, the cdc DA, I believe, yeah, 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:22.240 many many things. So Okay, there are lots and lots 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:26.680 and lots of different rounds of budget cuts that are 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:30.800 happening and grant cuts from a whole bunch of different 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:34.480 departments and agencies. We're going to start with National Institutes 1:07:34.520 --> 1:07:39.520 of Health cutting a whole bunch of studies for vaccines 1:07:39.520 --> 1:07:43.680 for new diseases. So RFKA Junior's thing was, well, we're 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:46.480 not going to fund any COVID research because COVID is over. 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:51.040 So no more research into COVID vaccine treatments. We're not 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:53.720 going to fund that now. Obviously COVID is like not 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:58.920 over trivially. Obviously you catch it and it makes you 1:07:59.000 --> 1:08:03.720 sick and sometimes you and sometimes you get debilitating, long 1:08:03.800 --> 1:08:06.880 term negative health outcomes. But this is the law to 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:08.320 get they're using to just be like no, fuck it, 1:08:08.440 --> 1:08:11.440 fuck it, We'll cut all of the funding that we 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:14.560 can find that does the stuff. Now the problem again. 1:08:14.640 --> 1:08:18.240 And so these these cuts look a lot like the 1:08:18.400 --> 1:08:20.320 very beginning of the Trump administration where they were just 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:23.240 going through and like you'd get a giant list of 1:08:23.280 --> 1:08:25.920 grants that got cut in the sense that like they're 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:29.040 like control effing programs, right, and they're like searching for 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:31.760 keywords and then just killing all the block grants that 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:33.560 do that. We'll get more into the end of the 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:37.240 episode with like a different set of cuts. But one 1:08:37.280 --> 1:08:39.559 of the one of the big issues with this is 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:44.800 that it's it's killing coronavirus research in general, like all 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:48.280 of it is getting like massive cuts, and so this 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:50.800 includes I think it was cnbcors You're putting on this 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:54.960 killing a bunch of fairly like late stage research on 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:58.320 things like you know, like like actually having vaccines that 1:08:58.320 --> 1:09:02.040 could work across like the broadcast category of coronaviruses, because 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:05.000 like obviously there there are a whole bunch of different 1:09:05.080 --> 1:09:08.679 kinds of coronaviruses, and there are certain sort of vaccine 1:09:08.680 --> 1:09:12.080 techniques that can work to suppress like the families of them, 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:15.080 and fucking I don't know, maybe maybe maybe the europe 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:16.720 and the Chinese will figure out how to do that, 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:18.639 because the surest fuck isn't gonna be US after recud 1:09:18.680 --> 1:09:23.639 all this fucking funding. It's great. So all right, we're 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:26.639 starting sort of I guess on the vaccine beat here 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:31.240 because there's there's so many different kinds of bullshit. One 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:35.080 of the other really big things that happened is doctor 1:09:35.120 --> 1:09:38.879 Mark Peters, who was the guy who like did Operation 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:41.360 Warp Speed, which was Trump's like big push to get 1:09:41.360 --> 1:09:43.040 a COVID vaccine now, and this is something I think 1:09:43.120 --> 1:09:45.760 is worth highlighting it again. This guy like worked under 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:47.680 Trump right a lot, and some of these programs where 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:51.559 we're talking about later were Trump programs, but Trump won. 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.840 I mean, like Trump did do some anti vax shit 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:58.160 and say some anti vac shit, but he wasn't like 1:09:58.320 --> 1:10:01.599 a hardline anti vaxxer, definitely not now. 1:10:02.280 --> 1:10:06.439 Yeah, at many points he tried to take credit himself 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:09.439 for the fast response of the CODE vaccine, which, hey, 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:12.120 as long as we get the vaccine, do whatever you want, buddy. 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:14.880 And the amount that that's been like memory hold and 1:10:14.960 --> 1:10:19.240 like they're trying to like just alter alter history regarding 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:24.040 the COVID vaccine is a little, a little head scratching. 1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:27.280 It gives me that just slow growing headache that I'm 1:10:27.760 --> 1:10:32.080 experiencing every day, nearly all the time, just not due 1:10:32.160 --> 1:10:35.960 to COVID, because I've actually, to my knowledge, never gotten it, 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:38.280 but it is a headache of political origin. 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:41.080 Yeah, And I think one of the one of the 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:42.880 interesting elements of this is something the thing I've talked 1:10:42.880 --> 1:10:46.559 about more like in the wake of like the immediate 1:10:46.600 --> 1:10:48.680 wake of twenty twenty, like twenty twelve, twenty two, is 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:51.200 there used to be a big split in the Republican 1:10:51.240 --> 1:10:54.919 Party between like the lab leakers and the anti vaxxers, 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:58.160 because the thing about being a lab leak person is that, 1:10:58.280 --> 1:11:01.200 like you can't be a chin release a bioweapon person 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:04.559 who also thinks that the vaccine is evil or at 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:07.360 least you shouldn't be able to that those are like mutually. 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:11.040 It took years. Legitimately, this is enough cognitive dissidence that 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:13.360 even like the Alex Jones types, it took years for 1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:15.879 them to sort of like develop a level of cognitive 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:17.519 dissonance that allowed them to do this. They did do 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:19.680 it eventually. And what we're seeing right now right is 1:11:19.760 --> 1:11:22.200 like Trumps a way of sort of shring up his 1:11:22.280 --> 1:11:25.080 anti vaccine flank has just like handed control over all 1:11:25.080 --> 1:11:29.120 public health policy to these just like hideous anti vaccine 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:34.320 like cranks. And so Peter Marx, who was like one 1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:36.360 of the big guys from Trump won and you know 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:38.160 who stayed on through Biden, who was like, yeah, okay, 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:41.559 I'm gonna fucking get this vaccine to work. He has 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:44.479 been forced to resign. And Marx also was the guy 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:48.639 who was in charge of vaccine safety in the US, right, 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.679 and he's forced out. And he said in a statement 1:11:52.360 --> 1:11:54.879 for CNN, I mean, you can read the whole thing somewhere, 1:11:55.080 --> 1:11:58.320 but quote, it has become clear that truth and transparency 1:11:58.360 --> 1:12:01.320 are not desired by the Secretary this is OURFKA junior, 1:12:01.760 --> 1:12:05.840 but rather he wishes subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies. 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:09.559 So that's good. That's the guy who used to be 1:12:09.600 --> 1:12:12.479 in charge of our country's vaccine safety going like, yeah, 1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:15.960 this guy wanted me to just fucking lie about vaccines constantly. 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:18.360 So that's great. That's fun. 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:21.759 So before we get into the people who he's also 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:25.240 he's bringing in to do his like unbelievably fake, hack, 1:12:25.360 --> 1:12:28.559 bullshit vaccine study stuff, we should talk a bit about 1:12:29.080 --> 1:12:30.800 the measles outbreak in Texas. 1:12:30.840 --> 1:12:31.040 Now. 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:33.320 The reason that this isn't getting more coverage is that 1:12:33.360 --> 1:12:36.560 this is going to get a really significant amount of 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:39.760 coverage on this show in the near future when when 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:42.120 those episodes are done, this is going to get significant coverage. 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:44.880 For now, what I think is sort of important about 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:47.720 this is that so there's been an outbreak of measles, which, 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:49.720 like there should not be outbreaks and measles. We have 1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:53.000 defeated measles. We have the vaccine that you can take it. 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:54.920 It's part of the MMR vaccine. You take it and 1:12:54.920 --> 1:12:57.920 then you don't get measles. But there are massive, you know, 1:12:58.040 --> 1:13:02.800 like communities who are fucking not vaccinating and as like, 1:13:02.920 --> 1:13:05.920 in large part because of the fucking anti vaccine shit 1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:09.360 that's being spread by people like RFK Junior, and faced 1:13:09.360 --> 1:13:12.400 with this, RFK Junior has done a bunch of unbelievably 1:13:12.439 --> 1:13:16.080 mealy mouthed bullshit about his personal choice to do vaccines 1:13:16.120 --> 1:13:18.920 blah blah blah blah blah, and then also did a 1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:20.240 whole thing about how he was going to have the 1:13:20.240 --> 1:13:26.160 government sends vitamin A to like combat measles, which is 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:30.200 just nonsense, right, Like, so this, this is obviously just 1:13:30.200 --> 1:13:32.880 a complete fucking fiasco. We're going to cover this more 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:36.080 as it goes on. Yeah, so stay tuned for more 1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:41.680 measles horrors. Yeah. The other thing we're not going to 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:45.280 cover because it's going to be covered by these products 1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:48.160 and services are these advertisements. 1:13:48.560 --> 1:13:50.519 I would love to talk more about them. Well, we're 1:13:50.520 --> 1:13:53.160 still trying to get that hymns and eventually that them 1:13:53.240 --> 1:13:54.120 is a sponsorship. 1:13:54.200 --> 1:14:07.639 But we're getting closer. We're getting closer, getting closer. We 1:14:07.680 --> 1:14:10.479 are back now. What we are not coming closer to 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:13.720 is finding a connection between vaccines and autism, because there 1:14:13.760 --> 1:14:16.840 isn't one. It's all fake. However, come up, people who 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:20.240 don't believe this include RFKI Junior. So our kid Junior 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:24.760 has been doing something. Okay, it's genuinely a little bit 1:14:24.880 --> 1:14:27.720 unclear who exactly is running this, whether this is like 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:30.160 the Department of Health and Human Services is like a 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:34.040 broader organization, or just the CDC. But he's trying to 1:14:34.080 --> 1:14:37.719 set up a bunch of people to like basically cook 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:41.240 the books and try to publish some shit that shows 1:14:41.240 --> 1:14:46.040 a link between vaccines and autism. It's genuinely, deeply murky 1:14:46.080 --> 1:14:47.800 and unclear as to who's doing what right now. But 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:49.720 one of the people who's been brought in to do 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:54.559 this is David Gear, who is oh god, oh boy. 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:58.720 I mean, even by the standards of guy whose job 1:14:58.760 --> 1:15:01.599 it is to like cook evidence to make it look 1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:03.800 like there's a connection between vaccines and autism, even by 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:07.000 their standards, Gear is like an absolute fucking hack. So 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.200 we talked about Andrew Wakefield on this show, and there 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:11.680 is weirdly a Wayfield connection here too. So Wakefield is 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:15.400 the doctor who originally cooked up like a connection between 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:20.560 the MMR vaccine and autism. Gear is from like a 1:15:20.920 --> 1:15:24.000 slightly different faction of these cranks, and this is this 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:26.080 is the faction that's work that's like the most closely 1:15:26.120 --> 1:15:27.880 aligned with Harf K. Junior. And this is the faction 1:15:28.000 --> 1:15:32.160 that thinks that like weird methyl mercury or whatever the 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:35.960 fuck in some older vaccines was causing autism, which like, no, 1:15:36.040 --> 1:15:39.799 it wasn't, but he, you know, he and his dad, 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:43.320 Mark Gear like did a whole bunch of work to 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:45.720 try to sort of establish this evidence. I'm gonna read 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:51.280 this from NBC just describing their work. Quote, the Gear 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:55.600 is conducted research from a makeshift laboratory in their in 1:15:55.640 --> 1:16:00.360 their carpeted, wood paneled suburban Maryland basement, so get They're 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:04.960 doing this shit from their basement. Published several studies, many 1:16:05.080 --> 1:16:08.600 of which were retracted, and promoted an unproven treatment for 1:16:08.680 --> 1:16:11.600 autism that cost families tens of thousands of dollars and 1:16:11.680 --> 1:16:16.360 included injections of loopron, a drug used for prostate cancer 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:20.560 and early puberty in children. It's only approved for precocious 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:23.799 puberty and comes with side effects including bone damage, heart issues, 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:28.120 and seizures. They diagnosed kids with precocious puberty without proper 1:16:28.160 --> 1:16:30.559 testing and misled parents in the thinking they were signing 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:35.240 up for an approved autism therapy. A twenty eleven Maryland 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:39.000 Border Physicians' investigation found the Gears that violated standards of 1:16:39.080 --> 1:16:42.240 care so to be back up for a second, right, A, 1:16:42.400 --> 1:16:45.800 they claimed that mercury and vaccines is causing autism. B 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:48.959 they claimed to be able to treat it with puberty. 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:53.479 But the here autism with a puberty blocker, Yes, which 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:56.880 is an awes extremely funny given like you know all 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:59.120 of that, these people are like, you know what, trying 1:16:59.160 --> 1:17:02.000 to bam puberty block give it to them. That's that's fine. 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:04.960 We're gonna cure autism by giving all these autistic kids 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:10.000 puberty blockers and making them trans Sure, sure, let's go 1:17:10.120 --> 1:17:12.439 for it. Let's give let's give that a shot. I'm sure, 1:17:12.479 --> 1:17:15.400 I'm sure that won't create a whole new problem for them. 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.439 Yeah yeah that uh that. 1:17:17.720 --> 1:17:20.080 A bone damage thing isn't real. But that's fine. 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:20.720 Yeah. 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:23.639 Unfortunately, this is one of the other problems is this 1:17:23.720 --> 1:17:26.160 is like you get a lot of sources that are 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:30.040 just fucking making ship up about these fucking diseases. 1:17:30.320 --> 1:17:32.600 To be fair, I also am probably I'm unfamiliar with 1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:34.960 this exact puberty suppresses. 1:17:35.040 --> 1:17:39.960 Yeah, I don't think. In general, Yeah, density. 1:17:39.600 --> 1:17:45.040 Loss of blockers is mostly mostly negligible. 1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:47.200 Yeah. So so again again, this guy is like I 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:50.519 found the cure for autism. And it's puberty blocks. 1:17:50.600 --> 1:17:54.280 Very funny, you know, I do know a lot of 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:57.880 autistic people that have gotten how do I say this, 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:01.080 they've seemed more comfortable once they've transitioned. 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:05.120 I guess I'll see it like that. Look, it's being 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:07.879 on the right puberty blocker is better for an autistic 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:11.240 kid than going through puberty if you are trans. Oh 1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:11.920 but yess. 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:16.920 But this also shows how like the attack on puberty 1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:21.160 blockers for you know, quote unquote trans minors is completely nonsense, 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:23.720 because these drugs have been used for SIS children to 1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:28.439 cease early on set puberty. These are fully reversible. Yeah, 1:18:28.560 --> 1:18:30.679 these are used for SIS children. It's used by these 1:18:30.960 --> 1:18:34.160 like hacks and weirdos to quote unquote cure autism. 1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:36.240 Yeah, by these same people as an autism. 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:39.120 Here for the vaccines, oh my, even though these are 1:18:39.120 --> 1:18:42.880 the same like drugs, these quote unquote like chemical castration drugs, 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:46.200 as Matt Walsh would put it, are you know now 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:49.639 trying to be banned, uh for for for trans children? 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:54.960 So you know, hypocrisy always, always always matters. It's always 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:57.320 it's always important to point out their hypocrisy because that's 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:00.519 how we win. So here this is one one more 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:02.439 step towards victory, Garrison. 1:19:02.520 --> 1:19:07.240 Garrison putting out hypocrisy is important because morale's a tarada struggle. 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:11.080 It makes you feel good, and that's a little bit important, 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:18.639 average John Stewart post. But okay, let's continue. So his father, 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:20.600 Mark Gear, who he was doing a bunch of this 1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:22.880 research wish, was short of his medical license. Now, David 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:26.840 Gear actually amazingly, amazingly was not strict of his medical 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:28.680 license at Garritton. Do you want to guess why he 1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:31.000 wasn't strict of his medical license. He didn't have one. 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:36.519 He didn't fucking have one, so instead, instead he was 1:19:36.560 --> 1:19:40.000 prosecuted for doing this shit without a medical license. He 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:42.640 also doesn't have a medical degree. He has like a 1:19:42.640 --> 1:19:44.559 liberal arts dek okay, that. 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:49.280 Rules these these liberal art students are giving our kids 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:53.479 transgender hormones many such reasons. 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:58.679 He's like the only person I've ever seen who actually 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:05.559 genuinely did do like dangerous and unauthorized like fucking like medical, 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:11.280 like unauthorized medical experiments on children with puberty blockers. Like 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:13.799 He's the only one. Yeah, this is the. 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:18.200 First instance I've like heard of like mass unethical use 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:20.759 of puberty suppressing drugs and it's. 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:22.519 A fucking anti vaxxery and this is the guy they're 1:20:22.560 --> 1:20:25.040 bringing into the like the cook up a connection between 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:27.799 vaccines and autism using like fucking bears data or whatever 1:20:28.320 --> 1:20:31.960 so investigative journals. Brian Deer, who is i think probably 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:34.320 most famous to people who've watched like an h bomber 1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:37.479 guy video as the guy who brought down disgraced X 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:42.600 doctor to Andrew Wakefield. Deer like also wrote about this guy, 1:20:42.840 --> 1:20:46.800 like in his like unbelievably dog shit study about h SO. 1:20:46.800 --> 1:20:50.120 So he publishes like an unbelievably dogshit study about like 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:54.120 the mercury and vaccines causes autism, whatever the fuck, and 1:20:54.200 --> 1:20:58.479 it gets basically like immediately obliterated the moment autism, like 1:20:58.560 --> 1:21:01.760 activists discover it and like, holy fucking shit, like these 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.320 people are evil. I'm going to read a quote from 1:21:04.360 --> 1:21:08.439 Brian Deer's article about it, one of miss Siedell's that 1:21:08.439 --> 1:21:12.639 that's the person who like the auctism like advocate activists 1:21:12.640 --> 1:21:15.400 to you, like discovered this stuff. One of her complaints 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:19.679 concerning the Gears a parent institutional review. The seven member 1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:23.679 IRB Institutional Review Board consists of Mark and Dave Gear, 1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:27.400 doctor Gear's wife, two of his business associates, and two 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:30.800 mothers of autistic children, one of whom has publicly acknowledged 1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:33.840 that her son is the patient's last subject at doctor 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:36.240 Gear and the other whom is a plaintiff in three 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:41.439 pending vaccine injury claims. So the IRB, right, this is 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:44.360 like an ethical review board thing that you're supposed to 1:21:44.400 --> 1:21:47.680 go through to get your studies like approved. So the 1:21:47.680 --> 1:21:51.080 IRB for the study again is these two guys, his 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:54.080 dad's fucking wife, two of the business associates, and the 1:21:54.200 --> 1:21:56.679 mothers of two attic children who think that that vaccines 1:21:56.680 --> 1:21:58.439 cause autism and are like one of whom is in 1:21:58.520 --> 1:22:00.479 a lawsuit about it and the other the one is 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:04.000 taking the fucking puberty blockers to try to cure the autism. 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:06.920 So this is the guy who is being brought in 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:09.400 to do the book cooking is a guy with no 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:14.439 medical license, no medical degree, who had to retract his 1:22:14.560 --> 1:22:16.360 papers because they were bullshit. 1:22:17.040 --> 1:22:17.280 Yeah. 1:22:17.360 --> 1:22:19.240 Also, and this is something that that's common between him 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:21.000 and R. K. Junior is all these people they think 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:23.640 that like me. And this is gonna be relevant when 1:22:23.640 --> 1:22:25.439 we get to the sort of HIV AIDS. Part of 1:22:25.439 --> 1:22:27.479 this is that these people think that diseases are caused 1:22:27.520 --> 1:22:31.800 by malnutrition and not by you know, like diseases, and 1:22:31.840 --> 1:22:33.639 they think that you can treat them with just being 1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:37.720 healthy instead of like vaccines. And you know, this is 1:22:37.800 --> 1:22:39.720 this is their worldview, right, this pepul or sort of 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:42.200 view genesis. This is also why they like one of 1:22:42.240 --> 1:22:45.400 the reasons why they fucking hate autism so much is 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:47.639 that they're just you know, just on on a sort 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:50.800 of political level, like that's just that's just sort of 1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:52.280 that's just what their ideology is. 1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:56.240 Imagine how many skilled drone pilots they're going to lose. 1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:59.439 It's really going to backfire on I. 1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:03.200 We will see. 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:06.679 Speaking of womp wamp, here's some ads. 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:20.680 All right, we're back. Let's hear more about Robert F. 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:24.760 Kennedy Junior, the second Kennedy to have a hole in 1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:28.560 his head, but this one's from a worm WHOA. 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:36.640 Okay, So let's let's talk about the last group of 1:23:36.720 --> 1:23:41.280 things here, which is another series of massive budget cuts 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:44.040 that they're doing. This is another thing where they have 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:47.000 a giant list of grants that they're fucking cutting. This 1:23:47.040 --> 1:23:50.040 is another like anti DEI and so you know, there's 1:23:50.040 --> 1:23:51.400 a lot of the things that I guess you would 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:54.200 expect from one of these, like you can only study 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:57.559 white people ones. So, like, there are a whole bunch 1:23:57.560 --> 1:23:59.400 of programs in this list of like grants that they're 1:23:59.400 --> 1:24:02.040 cutting that are like studying you know, racism and medicine 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:06.960 and like the different medical outcomes between like people of 1:24:06.960 --> 1:24:09.479 different races because they're getting different levels of medical care 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:12.040 and because of the environments that they're in. And this 1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:15.760 is all stuff that like, you know, these people do 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:18.839 not want there to be research demonstrating that like racism 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:22.160 exists in the medical system, because it's it's just extremely 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:24.439 bad for there just to be objective evidence that there 1:24:24.479 --> 1:24:26.639 is racism and that it's bad and that it kills people. 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:29.639 So another very bleak thing that I haven't seen much 1:24:29.640 --> 1:24:31.880 coverage of is that a lot of these grants were 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:36.920 funding research into trans healthcare and also the effects of 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:40.840 like violence against trans people and things like mental health, 1:24:41.479 --> 1:24:43.559 you know. And this is also something that's devastating because 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:48.040 like the state of trans medicine, it's like we know 1:24:48.160 --> 1:24:50.160 things that are safe and we know things that work, 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:53.760 which is just letting people transition, but also there's so 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:57.599 much more stuff that we need in terms of like 1:24:58.000 --> 1:25:00.720 hormone regimes that like work better, right and things like that, 1:25:00.760 --> 1:25:03.200 and also like you know, just sort of like basic 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:06.200 health outcome stuff. And yeah, these people do not want 1:25:06.240 --> 1:25:09.920 anyone to know exactly how bad they're They're fucking transphobia 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:14.080 is affecting the people that they're inflicting it on, and 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:15.960 so yeah, they're like, fuck it, we'll just get rid 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:19.920 of all these people's funding. There's also a whole bunch 1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:23.400 of stuff that has to do with COVID. I was 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:25.080 going to read the description of one of the fucking 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:26.720 grants they cut to give you a sense of like 1:25:26.720 --> 1:25:30.320 the shit that they're cutting. Development of a handheld rapid 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:33.760 air sensing system to monitor and quantify stars COVID too 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:36.720 in aerosols in real time, which actually would be an 1:25:36.840 --> 1:25:39.920 unbelievably useful thing, right, Like a system that could detect 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:44.200 fucking COVID like aerosols like in real time and tell 1:25:44.240 --> 1:25:47.120 you that there's fucking COVID in the air, staggeringly useful. 1:25:47.160 --> 1:25:49.240 They don't fucking want it. One of the big things 1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:50.880 that they cut is, like you know, we're talking about 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:52.920 this with sort of like cutting like programs that study 1:25:52.920 --> 1:25:56.360 structure racism and medicine. They basically went on a like 1:25:56.400 --> 1:25:59.280 a county by county basis and found every single grant, 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:02.280 like state by state, Cannaby county, city by city, every 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:05.639 single grant that talks about studying the effects of COVID 1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:08.720 on non white people, you know, and they're doing this. 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:11.960 I think people have forgotten about this. But one of 1:26:11.960 --> 1:26:14.760 the things that RFK Junior said, like I think this 1:26:14.800 --> 1:26:17.880 is dream the campaign was he had this giant rants 1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:21.479 a boy how COVID was like specifically targeted to leave 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:24.679 Chinese people in Jews alive, Which is great. 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:25.559 That is how he put it. 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:31.800 Someone should probably report that to Trump's Anti Semitism task Force. Yeah, yeah, 1:26:32.120 --> 1:26:35.599 you know, Hall monitor whatever. 1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:38.439 No one cares anymore. Yeah, I mean there's you know. 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:40.240 So so they're just trying to destroy all the stuff. 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:44.720 They've also just like in blocks, just like got rid 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.760 of every single fucking thing that was funding like any 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:51.559 program that was like mental health care as a block thing. 1:26:51.600 --> 1:26:53.400 They're just cutting all of it. So that's gonna make 1:26:53.439 --> 1:26:56.479 everyone even more normal than we already fucking are. 1:26:56.600 --> 1:27:00.200 The Actually I agree with this because this is the 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:02.280 one thing where I think the lifestyle choice thing does 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:05.519 matter because I just read Yawi when I'm sad, and 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:08.120 it fixes me. And if everyone does that, I think 1:27:08.160 --> 1:27:11.200 we don't need any of these other mental health services. 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:22.759 What'd you do in your manic though? Read more Yaoi. 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:23.840 Because famously, the Yawi, the Yawi you're reading demographic the 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:28.000 most mentally stable and normal population. 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:35.600 God. One of the other ones that's unbelievably concerning is 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:39.160 again like county by county going through and cutting funding 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:43.000 for like things things that promote child vaccination. They are 1:27:43.080 --> 1:27:46.120 systemically trying to cut off kids from getting vaccines, and 1:27:46.120 --> 1:27:48.400 they're trying to get rid of anything that opposes like 1:27:49.000 --> 1:27:51.840 their efforts to try to convince everyone to, like all 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:55.200 parents to fucking not have your kids get vaccines. They 1:27:55.240 --> 1:27:58.280 also cut a whole bunch of grants for rapid disease response, 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:01.320 which is great. We'll get to the exact reason why 1:28:01.360 --> 1:28:03.840 that's like so fucking terrifying in a second. In the 1:28:03.960 --> 1:28:07.160 like very very immediate term. They also have killed in 1:28:07.760 --> 1:28:11.840 one hundred and forty five grants for HIV, and this 1:28:11.880 --> 1:28:16.240 is a whole bunch of different HIV programs. They are 1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:19.519 killing funding for distributing and getting people to use PREP, 1:28:19.520 --> 1:28:23.200 which is a pill that like massively helps prevent HIV infections, 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:25.280 especially if you were a trans woman and you were 1:28:25.320 --> 1:28:28.240 having sex, like you should get on PREP or a twink, 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:31.960 I will say thank you. Yeah, the uptake rates for 1:28:32.040 --> 1:28:34.680 trans women are specifically lower, which is the thing that 1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:36.599 we know because we have these fucking funding and these 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:38.599 and we're not gonna have that shit anymore because they're 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:40.439 they're cutting all the fucking funding for these, for these 1:28:40.439 --> 1:28:41.479 fucking research programs. 1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:44.600 I sometimes do forget that there are trans women with 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:48.679 different like lived like sexual backgrounds than me, because coming 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:52.400 coming out of coming out of twink culture, it's like ingrained. 1:28:52.120 --> 1:28:56.040 Like your co host who permanently has only ever come 1:28:56.040 --> 1:28:57.200 out of lesbian culture. 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:03.000 Yes, because in uh, in twin culture, getting on PREP 1:29:03.120 --> 1:29:05.679 is is ingrained pretty hard at this point. 1:29:06.160 --> 1:29:08.160 Yeah, well it's it's ingrained in a lot of places, 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:10.799 but there's places where where it isn't. And those places 1:29:10.840 --> 1:29:13.559 are where things go very very bad, very quickly, which 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:16.840 is why obviously they're they're eliminating the research for this 1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:19.439 because they want to fucking kill queer people like they 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:22.160 think they think that HIV is a fucking lifestyle choice. 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:26.240 RF Kid Junior particular things is because of poppers, which is. 1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:31.400 Now leading to the poppers raids. Red alert everybody, red alert. Yeah, 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:33.320 it's it's getting pretty scary out there. 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:36.920 So it's it's really fucking bleak. I mean they've cut 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:39.280 you know, I mean they're they're they're trying to just 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:42.519 fucking get rid of this because these people are just 1:29:42.560 --> 1:29:47.320 fucking unhinged, virulent homophobes and transphobes, and yeah, they want 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:49.479 to fucking cut these programs because they think it'll hurt us. 1:29:50.360 --> 1:29:54.080 They've also laid off the entire Office of Infectious Diseases 1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:58.439 and HIV AIDS policy staff. Is that bad? Oh it's bad. 1:29:58.600 --> 1:30:02.360 Here's it's fairy CBS. Yeah, So they do child they're 1:30:02.360 --> 1:30:04.639 one of the other guers that a childhood vaccination efforts. 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.920 They also run the fucking National Vaccine Program, which nobody 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:09.680 knows what's gonna happen to it now because again, the 1:30:09.680 --> 1:30:11.479 thing that was supposed to run it's just fucking gone. 1:30:11.600 --> 1:30:13.719 So who the fuck knows what's happening with that now. 1:30:13.880 --> 1:30:16.960 They are probably going to just completely destroy Trump's like 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:19.160 giant Trump actually in his first term had a giant 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:21.720 program to like en HIV that like kind of did 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:24.400 stuff because it was someone else's program that Trump just 1:30:24.600 --> 1:30:25.440 kind of implemented. 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:28.920 We're getting so close to the HIV vaccine. 1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:34.759 Yeah, yeah, and you know, and so who fucking knows, 1:30:34.880 --> 1:30:38.519 it's probably just completely fucked. Yeah, this is going to 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:42.559 have just unbelievably hideous consequences on millions and millions of people. 1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:45.080 And they that's not even though they don't give a shit, 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:47.080 it's that they think it's cool and funny and based 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:51.240 when people like us fucking die. Now, on the other hands, 1:30:51.280 --> 1:30:53.040 the rest of the US population is about to run 1:30:53.080 --> 1:30:55.000 into the same fucking thing that all of these stupid 1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:56.960 ass bankers thought, which is that oh, Trump will just 1:30:57.000 --> 1:30:59.639 fuck with the queries and leave us alone. No, we're 1:30:59.680 --> 1:31:01.200 gonna was in the same place that I closed the 1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:03.479 last time I talked about fucking RFK junior, which is 1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:05.400 the fucking bird flu, which is that he wants the 1:31:05.400 --> 1:31:07.160 dillusion to the bird flu is he wants to fucking 1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:09.000 let it rip, and he just wants to just like 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:11.519 be like, oh, we can just like take the birds 1:31:11.520 --> 1:31:13.519 to survive the bird flu, and we'll just let the 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:15.360 We'll just let it spread and just use those ones 1:31:15.360 --> 1:31:18.000 and those ones will be healthy now. So thing about 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:19.920 this bird flu right is that it kills within three 1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:22.640 to four days. I mean ill just Matt Hosey and 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:26.760 Scientific Americas describes how this thing again within three to 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:30.360 four days hasn't a ninety to one hundred percent kill rate. 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:34.599 So you know you can't just do this right because 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:36.280 they'll just it just fucking kills all the birds. He 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:38.080 doesn't want to fucking vaccinate the birds, which is the 1:31:38.120 --> 1:31:39.320 thing that like, if you want to stop this but 1:31:39.439 --> 1:31:40.719 this this fucking pandemic from. 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:42.679 Spreading, then you need to do it right. 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:46.200 And once again I need I need to emphasize enough 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:48.280 that when when I when I talked to virologist about this, 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:50.760 they said that letting the bird flu rip through all 1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:53.320 the fucking bird populations, right, just letting you fucking spread, 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:55.040 letting it kill everything until you only have the ones 1:31:55.040 --> 1:31:58.080 that like didn't die. Is if you were like trying 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:02.360 to cook up conditions like field conditions specifically to try 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:04.400 to get it to develop a mutation to spread to humans, 1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:06.960 this is what you would do as you would just 1:32:07.120 --> 1:32:09.720 let it fucking spread un controlled and kill everything. So 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:12.080 this is what we're doing at the same time as 1:32:12.120 --> 1:32:15.599 again anti vaxxers are fucking running the running our fucking 1:32:15.680 --> 1:32:19.799 vaccine services. As we are cutting the staff of cutting 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:23.639 grant funding for people who do response to rapid response 1:32:23.640 --> 1:32:26.759 to emerging diseases, as we are cutting the fucking entire 1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:30.000 policy staff for the Office of Infectious Diseases. They are 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:33.599 building a fucking pandemic. And all of these fucking people 1:32:33.640 --> 1:32:35.519 think that COVID was fucking cooked up in a lab. 1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:37.880 And what they are doing is like they are, they 1:32:37.920 --> 1:32:39.800 are now doing the thing they are accusing everyone else 1:32:39.840 --> 1:32:42.160 is doing, which is they are fucking at timpting damblemant 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:44.040 policy to cook up a fucking play in a lab. 1:32:44.560 --> 1:32:44.800 Excep. 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:45.960 It's not going in a lab, is going to be 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:48.639 in America's fucking factory farms, and we are all going 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:49.920 to suffer the consequences of it. 1:32:50.280 --> 1:32:54.680 Well, I assume you saw the statement from Canter Analysts 1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:59.760 on Monday, the Wall Street investment firm. This founder was 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.800 like a really was a really big Trump donor, was 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:07.240 on the inauguration committee. But two of their analysts put 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:11.439 out a statement today calling to reevaluate RFK Junior as 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:14.479 a Secretary of Health and Human Services, calling out to 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:19.519 quote unquote apparent anti science and libertarian agenda, saying it 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:22.360 will put people's lives in jeopardy to advance a discredited 1:33:22.400 --> 1:33:23.800 theory on vaccines. 1:33:24.360 --> 1:33:26.840 Look, I will say this, like, there are a lot 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:30.200 of riffs in the Trump coalition. RFK Junior and his 1:33:30.280 --> 1:33:32.920 people cannot fucking be allowed to run these institutions. They 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:34.920 need to be fucking brought out now. If we do 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:37.040 not do this now, millions of people are going to die. 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:39.000 I have been saying this. I am going to continue 1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:41.679 to say this because you can see in real time 1:33:41.840 --> 1:33:43.360 all of the things that are going to lead to 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.720 all of these people fucking dying. And you know, his 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:50.800 position is not incredibly secure in this coalition, right, Like, Yeah, 1:33:50.920 --> 1:33:52.880 there are lots of sectors of capital who don't want 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:55.080 the entire fucking population of the United States die in 1:33:55.080 --> 1:33:55.519 a plague. 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:56.120 Yeah. 1:33:56.280 --> 1:34:01.160 After Carl's grandson's resignation to his analysts also put out 1:34:01.160 --> 1:34:06.400 a statement advocating for vaccine use and specifically against RFK 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:11.160 Junior and his vaccine rhetoric. Biotech investors also spread similar 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:15.640 anti RFK Junior rhetoric over the weekend following marx resignation. 1:34:16.080 --> 1:34:19.320 So, yeah, go fucking I don't know. I don't I 1:34:19.320 --> 1:34:21.880 don't know exactly which public official you pressure or who 1:34:21.960 --> 1:34:23.479 you go scream at to try to get rid of 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:25.479 this guy before he'd fucking gets us all killed. But 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:28.280 go do that, I don't know, Go harassed or like 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:32.160 legislator or whatever, or like, find find the nearest person 1:34:32.200 --> 1:34:34.920 who can can can be yelled at, who will convey this. 1:34:35.560 --> 1:34:39.320 Stand outside your local CDC office to sign and protest 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:40.120 the CDC. 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:47.680 The hospitals are empty. It's fake. Oh god, And on 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:50.000 that note, getting us yet another fucking one of those. 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:54.080 Actually do they even do the misinformation labels anymore? Onlike 1:34:54.120 --> 1:34:57.960 Spotify and shit and like YouTube, Well, of course not. God, 1:34:58.120 --> 1:35:01.000 we lost the election. It's not happy. 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:05.599 Wow, truth and reasonable liss lost the election. 1:35:05.760 --> 1:35:10.080 Sorry not we So all right, yeah, this is the 1:35:10.080 --> 1:35:12.960 city could appen here. Get this guy out of office 1:35:13.040 --> 1:35:15.560 before we all fucking die in a plague. 1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:42.200 Again, this is it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis today, 1:35:42.200 --> 1:35:45.680 I'm joined by James Stout. This episode is going to 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:50.040 be about ice actions against students, scholars, and professors around 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:54.679 the country and this wave of deportations targeting people engaged 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:58.560 in pro Palestine speech. Protest, as well as some individuals 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:00.120 who have been roped up in this new way of 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:06.240 deportations who have not publicly engaged in Palestine activism. Let's 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:10.800 start on the evening of Saturday, March eighth, my Mood 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:13.599 Khalil and his wife were returning home from dinner when 1:36:13.680 --> 1:36:16.719 plane closed. ICE agents followed the couple into their campus 1:36:16.760 --> 1:36:20.679 apartment building at Columbia University. A man wearing a Marvel 1:36:20.720 --> 1:36:24.639 graphic tea arrested Khalil for then unknown reasons and threatened 1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:27.559 to arrest Khalil's wife, who is eight months pregnant and 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:31.160 an American citizen. When Khalil's wife brought his green card 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:33.639 from their apartment, she says, one of the ICE agents 1:36:33.680 --> 1:36:37.200 placed a phone call informing someone Khalil was a permanent resident, 1:36:37.720 --> 1:36:40.479 to which the person on the phone replied, let's bring 1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:41.720 him in any way. 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:44.519 You've got to be under arrest, so turn. 1:36:46.040 --> 1:36:51.320 Turn around, turn around, going to be his phone? 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:57.880 Okay, you. 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:03.719 Worked anymore? 1:37:04.320 --> 1:37:05.400 You guys really don't. 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:06.439 Need to be doing all of that. 1:37:13.640 --> 1:37:14.439 During the arrest. 1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:16.960 Khalil's lawyer, Amy Greer, spoke in the film with one 1:37:17.000 --> 1:37:19.240 of the ICE agents, who said that they were acting 1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:23.439 on State Department orders to revoke Khalil's student visa. Greer 1:37:23.520 --> 1:37:26.160 reiterated to the agents that Khalil was in fact a 1:37:26.200 --> 1:37:29.280 permanent resident with a green card, but the ICE agent 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:33.760 just responded by saying they were revoking the green card instead. 1:37:34.720 --> 1:37:37.400 Khalil's a graduate student who has been studying at Columbia 1:37:37.479 --> 1:37:41.000 for over two years. Last year, Khalil emerged as a 1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:44.639 visible figure in the college encampment protests, becoming a public 1:37:44.680 --> 1:37:48.040 spokesperson and a lead negotiator on behalf of Columbia University 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:53.080 apartheid divest Though never being arrested, Khalil faced harassment from 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:58.120 right wing Zionist dosing campaigns calling for his deportation, and 1:37:58.160 --> 1:38:01.160 when ICE did come for Khalil, disappearing him to a 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:04.480 detention facility in Louisiana and cutting him off from communication 1:38:04.560 --> 1:38:07.479 with his wife and lawyer. Throughout all of this, he 1:38:07.640 --> 1:38:11.240 was not charged with any crime. Instead, I used in 1:38:11.280 --> 1:38:14.479 the State Department are using a rarely used Cold War 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:17.880 era immigration statute that gives the Secretary of State the 1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:20.760 power to exclude or deport any non citizen of the 1:38:20.840 --> 1:38:24.479 United States if there are quote reasonable grounds to believe 1:38:25.160 --> 1:38:29.080 that in individuals entry, proposed activities, presence or activities in 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:33.759 the United States would have quote potentially serious adverse foreign 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:35.599 policy consequences. 1:38:35.960 --> 1:38:38.360 Yeah, that was the one that, like I remember at 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:40.519 the time, you and I were discussing this se in 1:38:40.560 --> 1:38:42.439 our group chat, and we were trying to work out, 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:44.960 like how the Secretary of State could be revoking a 1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:47.920 green card, Like yeah, and I think you found this, 1:38:48.080 --> 1:38:51.520 so you found it somewhere in it. The Trump administration 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:56.599 has been very, very good at finding very obscure pieces 1:38:56.640 --> 1:39:00.760 of law that it can wheeld against migrants. Right, No 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:04.200 one in twenty sixteen would have foreseen what they did 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:06.720 with Title forty two, which is a public health law, 1:39:07.000 --> 1:39:09.519 and they're doing something similar here. I mean, they may 1:39:09.560 --> 1:39:11.719 have spent the last four years looking for these things, 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:15.839 escescially when the campus protests began, But this is entirely 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:18.200 unprecedented as far as them weare. 1:39:18.640 --> 1:39:21.800 And right off this happened, we discussed how this case 1:39:21.880 --> 1:39:25.280 was probably going to be used as a testing ground 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:29.759 for employing these tactics on a more widespread scale, creating 1:39:29.840 --> 1:39:34.320 legal precedent, and sure enough, Khalil's case was not an outlier. 1:39:34.720 --> 1:39:36.960 This was just the first public instance of the Trump 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:41.280 administrations directed targeting of students they believed to be associated 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:44.760 with protests against Israel and its actions in Gaza, and 1:39:44.880 --> 1:39:47.840 this wave of actions by ICE had actually already begun 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:51.679 before Khalil's arrest. The day before Khalil was arrested, ICE 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:56.040 agents knocked on the door of PhD student Rajani Shrini Vassen, 1:39:56.280 --> 1:39:59.320 who a few days prior was suddenly notified that her 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:02.680 student visa had been revoked. When I saygents knocked, she 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:05.639 did not answer the door. The next day, I showed 1:40:05.680 --> 1:40:09.320 up again to her Columbia University apartment. Trina Aasen was 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:12.080 not home, but upon hearing of Khalil's arrest just a 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:15.520 few hours later, she decided to quickly collect some belongings 1:40:15.520 --> 1:40:18.759 and flee to Canada. Five days later, when ICE returned 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:21.720 to her residence, but this time with a warrant, Trinavasten 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:25.680 was already gone. Homeland Security Secretary Christy nom praised this 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:27.760 as quote unquote self deportation. 1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:31.280 Yeah, they talk about this a lot, Like self deportation 1:40:31.400 --> 1:40:33.960 is definitely one of their goals. They talked about it 1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:38.280 before Trump even came into power. Like that's what we're 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:41.640 seeing a lot of these spectacle raids and like spectacle 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:45.679 deportations gear tactic. Yeah, yeah, exactly the desires that people leave. 1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:48.400 Is she a Canadian citizen or like I. 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:51.440 Don't believe so, No, Okay, it was just the fastest 1:40:51.640 --> 1:40:54.880 flight from LaGuardia out of the country out of like, yeah, 1:40:55.040 --> 1:40:56.680 the closest, the closest she could be. 1:40:56.800 --> 1:40:59.559 Yeah, I wonder what her immigration states is in Canada 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:00.320 now she. 1:41:00.360 --> 1:41:04.040 Is currently figuring this whole situation out still, okay, navigating 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:06.000 her legal options both in Canada and the States. 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:08.840 Yeah, that'd be interesting too to see what Canada can 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:11.160 offer her. And like, I don't think the Trump administration 1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:14.280 would go after like having her extradited back because if 1:41:14.320 --> 1:41:16.600 she say she's not accused of a crime, and then 1:41:16.640 --> 1:41:19.160 they've kind of got what they wanted. It'll be interesting 1:41:19.200 --> 1:41:20.000 to follow that. 1:41:19.880 --> 1:41:22.000 There is no need for extradition because none of the 1:41:22.040 --> 1:41:24.639 people that were talking about today were accused of any crime. 1:41:24.720 --> 1:41:28.280 Yeah. With the other cases of quote unquote like self deportation, 1:41:28.560 --> 1:41:30.599 one of the issues is people have had their passport 1:41:30.680 --> 1:41:33.400 seized and held, like like lots of Venice Whelan migrants, 1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:35.519 so they actually can't ye or it would be very 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:38.000 difficult for them to like just get on a fly 1:41:38.120 --> 1:41:39.200 and leave, which. 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:40.879 I think is in part why she made the decision 1:41:40.920 --> 1:41:44.080 to get out when she could right. DHS claimed in 1:41:44.120 --> 1:41:47.000 a statement that Trine of Uson advocated violence and was 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:53.280 quote involved in activities supporting hamas a terrorist organization unquote. 1:41:53.720 --> 1:41:56.839 ICE is targeting her seemingly stems from being mass arrested 1:41:56.920 --> 1:41:59.880 while trying to return to her apartment from a picnic 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:04.000 friends on the same day as the Hamilton Hill occupation. 1:42:04.880 --> 1:42:06.880 She couldn't get home and was caught up in the 1:42:06.920 --> 1:42:10.400 crowd and was arrested among one hundred other people. She 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.880 received two summons for obstructing traffic and failure to disperse, 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:17.960 but her case was quickly dismissed. Homeland Security claims that 1:42:18.120 --> 1:42:21.200 failing to declare these two summons is what caused her 1:42:21.280 --> 1:42:22.520 visa to be revoked. 1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:24.760 Okay. 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:29.479 Interesting That same week, ICE went after another Green cardholder 1:42:29.560 --> 1:42:32.280 at Columbia, a twenty one year old student named Yung 1:42:32.439 --> 1:42:35.800 Sao Chung, a permanent resident who immigrated to the United 1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:38.320 States from South Korea with her family when she was seven. 1:42:38.560 --> 1:42:41.320 On March ninth, ICE agents visited her parents' home looking 1:42:41.320 --> 1:42:44.559 for Chung, and that day she received an odd text message, reading, 1:42:45.080 --> 1:42:48.679 hi yunsaou. This is Audrey from the police. My job 1:42:48.760 --> 1:42:50.439 is to reach out to you and see if you 1:42:50.479 --> 1:42:52.839 have any questions about your recent arrest and the process 1:42:52.920 --> 1:42:56.639 going forward. When are you available for a phone call unquote. 1:42:57.680 --> 1:43:01.200 This recent arrest was allegedly in reference to being detained, 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:04.040 among others, at a sit in protest at Bernard College 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:08.080 on March fifth. Chung was charged and then released with 1:43:08.200 --> 1:43:12.680 misdemeanor obstruction. After receiving that sketchy text message, Chung got 1:43:12.720 --> 1:43:16.280 an email from Columbia Public Safety reading quote, the US 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:18.680 Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York has 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:21.960 asked us to inform you that Homeland Security Investigation Agents 1:43:22.120 --> 1:43:24.320 are seeking to make contact with you in connection with 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:28.760 an administrative warrant for your arrest. Consistent with universities practice, 1:43:28.840 --> 1:43:31.479 we wanted to share this information and their request with you. 1:43:31.840 --> 1:43:34.120 If you are represented by council, it may make sense 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:38.240 for your lawyer to speak directly with DHS unquote. Chung's 1:43:38.280 --> 1:43:41.559 lawyer decided to call quote unquote to Audrey from the police, 1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:45.040 who revealed that she was actually an HSI agent and 1:43:45.080 --> 1:43:50.240 that the State Department was revoking Miss Chung's residency status. Now, 1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:53.599 rather than opting for self deportation or turning herself into 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:57.320 immigration authorities, Chung decided to go into hiding and fight 1:43:57.360 --> 1:44:00.920 the deportation in the courts while trying to evade ICED attention. 1:44:01.600 --> 1:44:03.840 When ICE failed to locate her, they enlisted the help 1:44:03.880 --> 1:44:07.120 of federal prosecutors. To quote from the New York Times quote, 1:44:07.360 --> 1:44:10.800 on March tenth, Perry Carboni, a high ranking lawyer in 1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:14.519 the Federal Prosecutor's office, told Miss Amaud, miss Chung's attorney 1:44:14.760 --> 1:44:17.400 that the Secretary of State, mister Rubio, had revoked Miss 1:44:17.439 --> 1:44:20.840 Chung's visa. Miss A mad responded that Miss Chung was 1:44:20.920 --> 1:44:22.960 not in the country on a visa and was a 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:27.240 permanent resident, according to lawsuit. Mister Carboni responded that mister 1:44:27.320 --> 1:44:31.840 Rubio had quote revoked that as well unquote. Yeah, So 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:34.439 this is the exact same language we saw with Khalil, 1:44:35.160 --> 1:44:37.920 and it displays a general uncaring towards who they are 1:44:37.960 --> 1:44:40.880 actually targeting and what their actual legal status is in 1:44:40.920 --> 1:44:43.639 the United States. They think they're going after people student visas, 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:45.479 but when it turns out they have green cards, that 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:48.120 doesn't stop them, they still continue to do it anyway. 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:53.400 On March thirteenth, ICE searched two residences on campus with warrants, 1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:57.320 citing a statute for harboring non citizens, but Chung was 1:44:57.320 --> 1:45:00.840 nowhere to be found. Like Khalil, the Trump administration is 1:45:00.960 --> 1:45:03.720 arguing that her presence of the United States hinders the 1:45:03.760 --> 1:45:08.760 administration's foreign policy agenda. But her lawyers note that Chung 1:45:08.920 --> 1:45:11.559 was not, by any means a quote unquote movement leader. 1:45:11.960 --> 1:45:14.320 She was simply one of hundreds of students who joined 1:45:14.320 --> 1:45:18.839 in nationwide protests against Israel's actions in Gaza. Her lawyer's right, quote, 1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:21.160 Miss Chung has not made public statements to the press 1:45:21.280 --> 1:45:24.320 or otherwise assumed a high profile role in these protests. 1:45:24.560 --> 1:45:27.160 She was rather one of a large group of college 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:30.360 students raising, expressing, and discussing shared concerns. 1:45:30.880 --> 1:45:31.160 Quote. 1:45:32.280 --> 1:45:36.360 Chung had previously faced university disciplinary process, which found she 1:45:36.439 --> 1:45:40.160 was not in violation of any university policy related to protests. 1:45:40.280 --> 1:45:45.120 Last year, Chung's lawyers filed a lawsuit to prevent her deportation, 1:45:45.520 --> 1:45:49.519 claiming that ICE's actions against Chung are illegal and unconstitutional. 1:45:49.760 --> 1:45:53.400 This lawsuit reads quote, Officials at the highest echelon's government 1:45:53.439 --> 1:45:56.160 are attempting to use immigration enforcement as a bludgeon to 1:45:56.200 --> 1:46:01.120 suppress speech that they dislike, including Miss Chung's space. ICE's 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:03.840 shocking actions against Miss Chung form a part of a 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:08.240 larger pattern of attempted US government repression of constitutionally protected 1:46:08.280 --> 1:46:13.840 protest activity and other forms of speech unquote. On March 1:46:13.880 --> 1:46:17.479 twenty fifth, a federal judge granted a temporary restraining order 1:46:17.680 --> 1:46:22.280 halting efforts from ICE to detain or relocate Chung. The 1:46:22.360 --> 1:46:25.280 judge said that the government produced quote nothing in the 1:46:25.360 --> 1:46:28.600 record to indicate Chung is a danger to the community 1:46:28.680 --> 1:46:32.519 or a quote unquote foreign policy risk, or that she 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:36.960 was in any communication with terrorist organizations. The judge said 1:46:37.000 --> 1:46:41.080 that there would be quote no trip to Louisiana here unquote. 1:46:41.720 --> 1:46:44.719 This is in reference to the big ICE attention facility 1:46:44.760 --> 1:46:59.000 in Louisiana. We'll be right back after this ad break. Okay, 1:46:59.040 --> 1:47:03.839 we're back now. Although Chung has at least temporarily halted 1:47:03.920 --> 1:47:09.840 ICE's efforts to detain or deporter not all legal recourses 1:47:09.960 --> 1:47:14.160 have proven successful. This week, a US district judge declined 1:47:14.160 --> 1:47:18.400 a request to block the deportation of Cornell's student Mamadou 1:47:18.479 --> 1:47:22.400 Tall after the State Department revoked his visa on March 1:47:22.479 --> 1:47:25.840 thirty first, Tall released a statement, quote, given what we 1:47:25.880 --> 1:47:28.400 have seen across the United States, I have lost faith 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:31.120 that a favorable ruling from the courts would guarantee my 1:47:31.200 --> 1:47:35.240 personal safety and ability to express my beliefs. I've lost 1:47:35.240 --> 1:47:38.639 faith I could walk the streets without being abducted. Weighing 1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:41.200 these options, I took the decision to leave on my 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:42.480 own terms. 1:47:43.040 --> 1:47:44.200 Yeah, it's pretty bleak. 1:47:45.320 --> 1:47:49.120 So Tall has elected for the quote unquote self deportation option, 1:47:49.320 --> 1:47:51.880 at least for now. I believe his case is going 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:54.040 to continue, but he is not going to remain in 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:55.200 the United States. 1:47:55.520 --> 1:47:55.760 Yeah. 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:58.680 I think he returned to the UK, right, I believe so. 1:47:58.800 --> 1:48:03.160 Yeah, he's a British citizen now. Interestingly, last September, Cornell 1:48:03.280 --> 1:48:07.280 University itself tried to revoke Toall's student visa for involvement 1:48:07.320 --> 1:48:10.840 in student protests, but he successfully appealed and was able 1:48:10.880 --> 1:48:14.040 to continue his African studies PhD remotely. 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:16.280 Yeah. I spoke to him a little bit back then, 1:48:16.760 --> 1:48:19.040 just FIA direct message, and I think at that time, 1:48:19.040 --> 1:48:21.640 whatever his agreement was, it seems like there was a 1:48:21.680 --> 1:48:23.720 component of it that at least he didn't want to 1:48:23.760 --> 1:48:26.080 talk about it in public, which is fine. Everyone has 1:48:26.080 --> 1:48:27.760 the right to do that, and he should do it 1:48:27.800 --> 1:48:31.120 was better for himself. But maybe I'll try and follow 1:48:31.160 --> 1:48:33.120 up with him again now see if he wanted to speak, 1:48:33.120 --> 1:48:36.519 because he seems to have like he's been of all 1:48:36.560 --> 1:48:38.080 of these people at the one who's been able to 1:48:38.080 --> 1:48:41.320 make the most statements and then control his narrative to 1:48:41.400 --> 1:48:42.240 some degree. 1:48:42.560 --> 1:48:42.760 Yeah. 1:48:42.800 --> 1:48:46.280 No, he entered this period of like radio silence after 1:48:46.400 --> 1:48:49.919 he won his appeal last fall, and then only started 1:48:50.000 --> 1:48:53.200 speaking publicly again once he began getting targeted by the 1:48:53.240 --> 1:48:54.080 Trump administration. 1:48:54.280 --> 1:48:56.000 Yeah, like the past month and a half. 1:48:56.400 --> 1:48:59.280 I think he proactively filed that suit right like before. 1:49:00.680 --> 1:49:04.519 Now, the scale that Mark Rubio and Ice are seeking 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:08.639 for in regards to deportations is seemingly going to be 1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:12.639 increasingly large. On March twenty seventh, Secretary of State Mark 1:49:12.680 --> 1:49:16.000 Rubio claimed that he has revoked over three hundred student 1:49:16.080 --> 1:49:19.400 visas so far, saying at a press conference, quote, we 1:49:19.560 --> 1:49:22.200 do it every day. Every time I find one of 1:49:22.200 --> 1:49:26.559 these lunatics, I take away their visas unquote. Now, there 1:49:26.560 --> 1:49:29.280 are a few ways the government is currently trying to 1:49:29.360 --> 1:49:33.240 find these quote unquote lunatics. ICE seems to be targeting 1:49:33.280 --> 1:49:37.000 non citizens who have been arrested or detained at Palestine protests, 1:49:37.200 --> 1:49:40.080 even if their charges were subsequently dropped. This is the 1:49:40.120 --> 1:49:43.040 case for Chung and Shrini Vawsen, as well as former 1:49:43.080 --> 1:49:46.960 student Leca Cordia, a Palestinian who was arrested at Columbia 1:49:46.960 --> 1:49:50.200 campus protests in April of twenty twenty four She is 1:49:50.240 --> 1:49:53.200 currently being held in an ICE attention facility in Texas. 1:49:54.360 --> 1:49:58.080 Now beyond arrest records. The government is utilizing the world 1:49:58.160 --> 1:50:01.920 Wide Web and social media to identify new and returning 1:50:02.040 --> 1:50:07.200 visa applicants and possibly current visa holders that quote support 1:50:07.479 --> 1:50:12.080 terrorist organizations unquote. Social media screening of immigrants and visa 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:15.600 holders has been slowly ramping up since twenty fourteen and 1:50:15.720 --> 1:50:19.439 accelerated during Trump's first term, but a new directive from 1:50:19.479 --> 1:50:23.519 Secretary of State Mark Rubio titled Enhanced Screening and Social 1:50:23.560 --> 1:50:26.880 Media Vetting for Visa Applicants was sent out on March 1:50:26.920 --> 1:50:30.679 twenty fifth and leaked by journalist Ken Clippenstein. The directive 1:50:30.760 --> 1:50:33.920 cites two executive orders from Trump, measures to combat anti 1:50:33.920 --> 1:50:38.040 Semitism end quote protecting the United States from foreign terrorists 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:40.639 and other national security and public safety threats. 1:50:40.920 --> 1:50:41.240 Quote. 1:50:41.640 --> 1:50:45.559 The State Department is now requiring consular officers to conduct 1:50:45.640 --> 1:50:50.720 a quote unquote mandatory social media review with screenshotting for 1:50:50.840 --> 1:50:54.120 students and student exchange visitors with the intent of looking 1:50:54.160 --> 1:50:58.000 for evidence of quote advocating for, sympathizing with, or persuading 1:50:58.040 --> 1:51:01.720 others to endorse or espouse terror activities or support a 1:51:01.760 --> 1:51:07.080 designated foreign terrorist organization unquote. Now this applies to FM 1:51:07.200 --> 1:51:10.960 and JAY visas, so student exchange visas, academic visas, and 1:51:11.040 --> 1:51:16.160 vocational visas. The directive also instructs officers to search social 1:51:16.200 --> 1:51:20.599 media for quote conduct that bears a hostile attitude towards 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:25.960 US citizens or US culture, including government institutions or founding 1:51:26.000 --> 1:51:31.479 principles unquote, which is kind of the most incredibly broad 1:51:31.520 --> 1:51:32.920 thing I've ever seen. 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:35.839 Yeah, I mean, that's leaving it at the great discretion 1:51:35.960 --> 1:51:36.559 of the officer. 1:51:36.680 --> 1:51:39.559 Right, There's already been an instance of a US customers 1:51:39.600 --> 1:51:42.400 agent's denying entry to someone who had a quote unquote 1:51:42.520 --> 1:51:48.439 anti Trump sentiments found on their phone. Now, though this 1:51:48.640 --> 1:51:52.320 new directive is focused on denying or revoking student visas, 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:55.439 the Department of Homeland Security is seeking to expand its 1:51:55.600 --> 1:51:59.640 social media data collection to US citizenship, green card, and 1:52:00.040 --> 1:52:04.880 Islam applicants, basically anyone and everyone in the US immigration system, 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:07.439 no matter their current status or what previous vetting they 1:52:07.520 --> 1:52:08.679 might have already gone through. 1:52:09.000 --> 1:52:09.320 Yeah. 1:52:09.360 --> 1:52:12.320 On March fifth, DHS issued a sixty day notice for 1:52:12.360 --> 1:52:15.679 public comment on a proposal for quote uniform of vetting 1:52:15.760 --> 1:52:20.559 standards and national security screening unquote that includes the collection 1:52:20.640 --> 1:52:23.640 of social media information for all non citizens applying for 1:52:23.720 --> 1:52:27.880 immigration benefits like citizenship or permanent residency. A statement from 1:52:27.960 --> 1:52:32.000 the US Citizenship and Immigration Service reads, quote, these efforts 1:52:32.120 --> 1:52:34.800 ensure that those seeking immigration benefits to live and work 1:52:34.840 --> 1:52:38.200 in the United States do not threaten public safety, undermine 1:52:38.280 --> 1:52:44.320 national security, or promote harmful anti American ideologies unquote. 1:52:44.880 --> 1:52:48.720 Yeah, Like the anti American ideologies again is just fastly broad. 1:52:48.520 --> 1:52:51.200 Right, It's like crazy red scare level stuff. 1:52:51.360 --> 1:52:55.200 Yeah. And I'm guessing this will be either like a 1:52:55.280 --> 1:52:57.640 literal control f of whatever they can find of your 1:52:57.680 --> 1:53:01.519 public social media or AI, some kind of AI assistant. 1:53:01.640 --> 1:53:03.200 That's what it seems to be, right, Like. 1:53:03.200 --> 1:53:06.400 Former immigration agents have suggested that they're probably going to 1:53:06.520 --> 1:53:08.880 use some AI system for this, as they've already kind 1:53:08.880 --> 1:53:11.519 of used more primitive versions. But ramping up to this 1:53:11.640 --> 1:53:14.600 scale and with like this increased focus and attention on 1:53:14.920 --> 1:53:17.360 quote unquote AI is going to affect the way that 1:53:17.400 --> 1:53:18.559 they do this betting process. 1:53:18.600 --> 1:53:19.120 Absolutely. 1:53:19.479 --> 1:53:19.919 Yeah. 1:53:20.000 --> 1:53:20.280 Great. 1:53:21.000 --> 1:53:24.200 So though the government is trying to increase their social 1:53:24.320 --> 1:53:28.240 media screening, so far, they actually haven't had to do 1:53:28.320 --> 1:53:32.080 that much of their own research to identify targets for removal. 1:53:32.560 --> 1:53:37.160 On March seventeenth, a Georgetown scholar named Badar Khan Suri 1:53:37.800 --> 1:53:40.920 was arrested by Homeland Security outside his home in Virginia, 1:53:40.960 --> 1:53:42.839 where he lives with his wife, who's a US citizen, 1:53:43.120 --> 1:53:47.000 and their three kids. According to Surrey's lawyer, masked agents 1:53:47.080 --> 1:53:50.080 quote refused to tell him the basis for the arrest, 1:53:50.360 --> 1:53:55.759 handcuffed him, and forced him into an unmarked black SUV unquote. Later, 1:53:55.800 --> 1:53:58.639 his wife was informed that her husband's visa was revoked 1:53:58.800 --> 1:54:02.200 based on social media posts and that Surrey was sent 1:54:02.280 --> 1:54:07.160 to ICE attention in Louisiana. Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia 1:54:07.240 --> 1:54:12.120 McLoughlin posted on x that Surrey was quote actively spreading 1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:16.479 Hamas propaganda and promoting anti Semitism on social media. The 1:54:16.520 --> 1:54:19.800 Secretary of State issued a determination that Surrey's activities and 1:54:19.880 --> 1:54:25.639 presents in the United States rendered him deportable unquote. Of course, 1:54:25.720 --> 1:54:29.320 any single post in support of Palestine is going to 1:54:29.360 --> 1:54:34.000 be seen as quote unquote promoting antisemitism. According to Mark Rubio, 1:54:34.760 --> 1:54:37.920 Surrey's lawyer wrote in a court filing, quote, doctor Surrey 1:54:37.960 --> 1:54:41.000 is an academic, not an activist. But he spoke out 1:54:41.040 --> 1:54:43.920 on social media about his views on the Israel Gazo war. 1:54:44.360 --> 1:54:47.200 Even more so, his wife is an outspoken critic of 1:54:47.200 --> 1:54:52.320 the Israeli government and the violence it has perpetuated against Palestinians. Yeah, 1:54:52.400 --> 1:54:55.280 see that he was identified through his wife, right, correct, 1:54:55.520 --> 1:54:56.440 and we'll get to that. 1:54:56.560 --> 1:54:56.880 Okay. 1:54:57.200 --> 1:54:59.680 Surrey has no criminal record, and according to a colleague, 1:54:59.720 --> 1:55:03.680 he did not attend campus protests. However, Surre's lawyer writes 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:06.640 that his family have been victims of a docsing campaign, 1:55:06.960 --> 1:55:09.600 with his wife stating that a website had quote claimed 1:55:09.600 --> 1:55:12.320 falsely that my husband and I have quote ties to 1:55:12.360 --> 1:55:16.720 Hamas unquote. The Homeland Security Assistant Secretary references that claim 1:55:16.760 --> 1:55:20.360 in a public statement on Twitter. And this harassment stems 1:55:20.400 --> 1:55:23.400 in part from Surrey's father in law being a maud Yusef, 1:55:24.160 --> 1:55:28.280 a former advisor to Hamas a federal judge blocked serious 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:32.920 deportation as immigration court proceedings continue, but he still remains 1:55:32.960 --> 1:55:33.800 in iced attention. 1:55:34.360 --> 1:55:36.040 What kind of visa was he on? 1:55:36.600 --> 1:55:39.640 He's not a green card holder. He received his visa 1:55:39.680 --> 1:55:43.840 to continue doctoral research on peace building in Iraq and Afghanistan. 1:55:44.440 --> 1:55:48.000 It's some kind of like academic or exchange visa. I 1:55:48.360 --> 1:55:50.800 don't think we know the exact type that he has. 1:55:50.840 --> 1:55:53.960 Okay, yeah, that would be it would be interesting to 1:55:54.000 --> 1:55:56.920 know if, like, are they searching just through f one 1:55:57.000 --> 1:56:00.280 visa databases or they I mean obviously not a find 1:56:00.320 --> 1:56:01.560 these green card people, but. 1:56:01.680 --> 1:56:05.440 Like, well, I think specifically in this case, they're searching 1:56:05.480 --> 1:56:08.360 social media. They're not searching through their own databases. They 1:56:08.360 --> 1:56:10.840 don't care what kind of visa he has. They're looking 1:56:10.880 --> 1:56:13.400 at this docksing campaign that's been targeted at him and 1:56:13.440 --> 1:56:17.240 his family for like over a year and using that 1:56:17.320 --> 1:56:19.600 as the basis to deport him. 1:56:19.520 --> 1:56:22.000 Right, and then being like, can we deport he's not 1:56:22.040 --> 1:56:22.600 a citizen? 1:56:22.680 --> 1:56:25.800 So yes, basically even though his wife is a citizen, yeah. 1:56:25.680 --> 1:56:28.080 It's children puberly therefore also citizens. 1:56:28.280 --> 1:56:32.000 His wife, whose father is a mod yusef. They can't 1:56:32.000 --> 1:56:33.840 deport her because she's a citizen, or at least they 1:56:33.840 --> 1:56:35.920 can't deport her right now. Who knows if they'll try 1:56:36.160 --> 1:56:39.400 to denaturalize in the future. Yeah, but this is the 1:56:39.560 --> 1:56:40.920 easiest person to target. 1:56:41.200 --> 1:56:44.640 Yeah, and I think that's kind of what they're going for. 1:56:45.120 --> 1:56:49.440 Like a lot of this is it's like the politics 1:56:49.480 --> 1:56:52.200 of owning the Libs, Right, It's like the politics of 1:56:52.360 --> 1:56:55.440 being angry at your niece and nephew on Facebook and 1:56:55.720 --> 1:56:59.440 wanting to humiliate them. Like, It's not a particularly lately 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:03.080 coherent policy other than like the Palestine protests made a 1:57:03.080 --> 1:57:05.560 lot of people on the right mad, and they don't 1:57:05.600 --> 1:57:09.640 like migrants and that now they're using this obscure legal 1:57:10.000 --> 1:57:13.440 provision as a cudgel against everything they dislike. 1:57:13.720 --> 1:57:17.120 Yeah, and using social media to identify people who have 1:57:17.200 --> 1:57:19.120 never been arrested, never been charged with anything. 1:57:19.360 --> 1:57:20.160 Yeah. 1:57:20.280 --> 1:57:23.440 We're going to finished our discussion on these doxing campaigns 1:57:23.840 --> 1:57:26.640 and ICE action starting students after this ad break. 1:57:36.280 --> 1:57:37.080 All right, we're back. 1:57:37.680 --> 1:57:41.600 So right now, the two main vectors for iceed attention, 1:57:41.840 --> 1:57:44.360 whether you have a green card or a visa, seems 1:57:44.400 --> 1:57:49.360 to be previous arrests or these mass doxing campaigns. Now, 1:57:49.440 --> 1:57:53.080 someone like Mahmoud Khalil was never arrested or charged with 1:57:53.080 --> 1:57:55.040 a crime, but instead it has been the target of 1:57:55.080 --> 1:57:59.040 harassment from both a local campus doxing account run by 1:57:59.080 --> 1:58:03.120 Columbia professor and fellow students, as well as larger right 1:58:03.120 --> 1:58:07.600 wing Zionist organizations like Canary Mission. A few days before 1:58:07.600 --> 1:58:10.920 being arrested by Ice, Canary Mission posted a video naming 1:58:11.000 --> 1:58:15.280 Khalil as a quote unquote siren moog suspect it foreign 1:58:15.360 --> 1:58:19.280 national alert? So what is Canary Mission if you're lucky 1:58:19.360 --> 1:58:22.520 enough to be unaware? Since twenty fifteen, Canary Mission has 1:58:22.520 --> 1:58:26.160 been collecting and publishing personal information of people they accuse 1:58:26.320 --> 1:58:30.120 of promoting quote hatred of the United States, Israel, and 1:58:30.240 --> 1:58:35.320 Jews on North American college campuses and beyond unquote. Now 1:58:35.440 --> 1:58:39.959 they have profiles for a few legitimate American neo Nazis, 1:58:40.440 --> 1:58:44.320 but many profiles only cite criticism of the Israeli government 1:58:44.320 --> 1:58:48.000 and its actions in Gaza as proof of alleged anti Semitism. 1:58:48.600 --> 1:58:51.080 And now there is increasing evidence that the government is 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:54.840 using websites like Canary Mission to target students, professors, and 1:58:54.920 --> 1:59:00.360 scholars for ICE deportation, essentially outsourcing intail gathering from these 1:59:00.480 --> 1:59:05.240 pro Israel non government organizations. A few weeks ago, Canary 1:59:05.280 --> 1:59:09.120 Mission uploaded a profile for Rumeza oz Turk, a Turkish 1:59:09.200 --> 1:59:13.200 graduate student at Tufts University. They included a picture her 1:59:13.240 --> 1:59:15.720 resume and linked to an op ed she co wrote 1:59:15.760 --> 1:59:19.040 last year for her student paper criticizing the university for 1:59:19.080 --> 1:59:22.880 its ties to Israel amidst the Warren Gaza. For this, 1:59:23.120 --> 1:59:27.400 the Canary Mission claimed oz Turk quote engaged in anti 1:59:27.680 --> 1:59:32.960 Israel activism unquote. Two weeks later, while walking alone to 1:59:33.080 --> 1:59:37.120 Iftar dinner for Ramadan, a plane closes, ICE agent approached 1:59:37.120 --> 1:59:39.880 oz Turk on the sidewalk. As he grabbed her arms 1:59:39.920 --> 1:59:43.320 and wrestled away her phone. Five more agents surrounded her 1:59:43.520 --> 1:59:47.080 and pulled up their gator masks as neighbors began filming 1:59:47.160 --> 1:59:50.200 the arrest. Within twenty four hours, she was moved to 1:59:50.240 --> 1:59:54.040 ICE attention in Louisiana. A statement from Homeland Security claimed 1:59:54.080 --> 1:59:57.880 that HSI Homeland Security investigation had determined that oz Turk 1:59:57.960 --> 2:00:02.000 quote engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign 2:00:02.080 --> 2:00:07.760 terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans, and Secretary 2:00:07.760 --> 2:00:10.160 of State Mark Rubio said, quote, we gave you a 2:00:10.240 --> 2:00:13.120 visa to come and study and get a degree, not 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:17.000 to become a social activist that tears up our university campuses. 2:00:17.400 --> 2:00:21.120 Quote yeah, I mean again, Like writing an op ed 2:00:21.280 --> 2:00:24.640 is like as central to the First Amendment as things 2:00:24.760 --> 2:00:25.120 can be. 2:00:25.400 --> 2:00:28.800 Right, Yeah, there's no evidence she was even attending campus protests, 2:00:29.160 --> 2:00:33.320 let alone tearing up tearing up the university she co 2:00:33.400 --> 2:00:35.960 wrote an op ed. And you should not be deported 2:00:36.120 --> 2:00:39.800 for engaging in protest on a university campus at all. Right, 2:00:39.840 --> 2:00:43.640 this is flatly unconstitutional, extremely worrying. The fact that this 2:00:43.680 --> 2:00:47.440 person just got a profile in the Canary Mission website 2:00:47.680 --> 2:00:50.040 for writing an op ed and then this is used 2:00:50.080 --> 2:00:54.120 as justification for her deportation is still like an even 2:00:54.160 --> 2:00:55.000 greater escalation. 2:00:55.520 --> 2:00:58.040 Yeah, Like, if we're talking about like this is sort 2:00:58.080 --> 2:01:01.480 of like liberal idea of the the marketplace of ideas, right, 2:01:01.880 --> 2:01:04.720 the way that the ideas enter the marketplace, Like, you 2:01:04.720 --> 2:01:08.560 will find nothing more amenable to liberalism than writing an 2:01:08.600 --> 2:01:11.200 op ed in your campus newspaper. Right, that is the 2:01:12.080 --> 2:01:16.320 most like well behaved, straight down the middle, constitutionally protected 2:01:16.400 --> 2:01:21.400 thing way to engage in anti genocide activism, pro Palestine activism. 2:01:21.920 --> 2:01:25.520 So like, in a sense, this one is particularly disturbing, 2:01:25.920 --> 2:01:28.200 Like as a frontal assault on First Amendment. Rise for 2:01:28.240 --> 2:01:29.960 non citizens is what it is. Yes. 2:01:30.600 --> 2:01:33.920 On March twenty fourth, Canary Mission published a new section 2:01:34.040 --> 2:01:39.920 of their website titled Uncovering Foreign Nationals, which lists the 2:01:40.000 --> 2:01:44.640 profiles of non citizens who they believe qualify for deportation. 2:01:45.440 --> 2:01:45.919 Jesus. 2:01:46.720 --> 2:01:50.360 Another far right pro Israel docsn group called Batar, which 2:01:50.480 --> 2:01:55.080 even the ADL lists as an extremist group. Yeah, which 2:01:55.160 --> 2:01:58.240 is wild. Batar says that they have given the Troup 2:01:58.240 --> 2:02:02.920 administration a deportation list of thousands of names, including citizens 2:02:02.920 --> 2:02:07.200 that they expect to be denaturalized. People like Mamado Tall 2:02:07.400 --> 2:02:11.680 and Mahmood Khalil have been targeted by both of these organizations. 2:02:12.080 --> 2:02:14.080 People will be familiar with. I don't know if it's 2:02:14.080 --> 2:02:17.080 Bitar or Bitar, but like you probably have seen videos 2:02:17.080 --> 2:02:21.280 of them on campus trying to hand pages to people pagers, Yeah, 2:02:21.320 --> 2:02:22.840 like making. 2:02:22.720 --> 2:02:24.840 Light of the pager attack Israel. 2:02:24.920 --> 2:02:30.240 Did I mean making a threat? Like sure, Like if 2:02:30.280 --> 2:02:32.200 you're going to come onto a campus and make a 2:02:32.240 --> 2:02:35.840 fucking bomb threat and accuse someone else of terrorism, I 2:02:35.880 --> 2:02:37.440 mean the hypocrisy is kind of the point. 2:02:37.520 --> 2:02:40.080 But or even just like you know, quote unquote celebrating 2:02:40.120 --> 2:02:41.360 the deaths of people. 2:02:41.160 --> 2:02:45.959 Right yeah, right, like mocking this attack which killed children, 2:02:46.040 --> 2:02:50.360 which you know, crippled people. It's just disgusting. It's like 2:02:51.080 --> 2:02:53.640 just important. They seem to get a lot of attention 2:02:53.720 --> 2:02:55.720 online because they do the thing where they go up 2:02:55.760 --> 2:03:01.480 to people and say deliberately provocative things and film their reactions. Right, 2:03:01.480 --> 2:03:03.480 they're kind of IRL trolling. 2:03:04.600 --> 2:03:08.960 The past week, ICE actions against students have seemingly accelerated. 2:03:09.640 --> 2:03:12.640 Ali Reza Drudi, a doctoral student from Iran studying at 2:03:12.680 --> 2:03:15.120 the University of Alabama, was arrested by ICE on March 2:03:15.160 --> 2:03:17.680 twenty fifth in the middle of the night at his 2:03:17.840 --> 2:03:22.440 off campus apartment. Drudi's the entry visa expired, but he 2:03:22.520 --> 2:03:24.400 was allowed to stay in the States as he still 2:03:24.440 --> 2:03:29.480 maintained his student's status. It's unknown why exactly he was targeted. 2:03:29.720 --> 2:03:33.680 He has no ties to protests or any notable online footprint. 2:03:34.520 --> 2:03:38.040 It could be his ethnic origin, right leg yeah, it 2:03:38.080 --> 2:03:40.520 could be his name, right yeah. But that we should 2:03:40.520 --> 2:03:42.880 explain the status thing a bit more for people who 2:03:42.920 --> 2:03:45.560 aren't familiar. So, like, sure, your status is when you're 2:03:45.560 --> 2:03:48.000 in good standing with the university, So normally that means 2:03:48.000 --> 2:03:51.080 you need to be enrolled in twelve credits per You 2:03:51.160 --> 2:03:53.480 might be on semestis, you might be on courts. I 2:03:53.520 --> 2:03:55.880 don't think it's usually matters you have to does a 2:03:55.920 --> 2:03:59.080 minimum course load. It may be different for different systems. 2:03:59.080 --> 2:04:01.040 I don't know. You'd also need to be in good 2:04:01.040 --> 2:04:03.760 standing in terms of like not lay on your fees, right, 2:04:03.760 --> 2:04:06.440 your tuition fees, that kind of stuff, right, not in 2:04:06.480 --> 2:04:09.920 any you haven't been expelled or excluded from the university 2:04:09.960 --> 2:04:12.480 for any actions that you've taken that kind of thing. 2:04:12.680 --> 2:04:16.520 It means you are currently a student at the university. 2:04:16.600 --> 2:04:20.240 Basically the only time this normally affects international students that 2:04:20.320 --> 2:04:23.640 I'm aware of, because a person who now teaches students 2:04:23.840 --> 2:04:26.640 is like they can't drop below a certain course load, 2:04:26.680 --> 2:04:28.720 when otherwise they may wish to drop below a certain 2:04:28.720 --> 2:04:31.720 courseload to either focus on they might have like a 2:04:31.760 --> 2:04:34.760 research position, they might be doing other stuff on campus 2:04:34.800 --> 2:04:37.400 like taing. Right, Sometimes that ta and counter towards their 2:04:37.400 --> 2:04:39.920 course load. Sometimes it doesn't, but it can affect things 2:04:39.960 --> 2:04:44.080 like that. But generally it would be the university that 2:04:44.120 --> 2:04:48.640 would update that status. Right, that would notify US Customs 2:04:48.680 --> 2:04:52.200 and Immigration if somebody fell out of compliance with that. 2:04:52.960 --> 2:04:55.880 If I'm hearing right, that doesn't seem like that's what 2:04:56.080 --> 2:04:57.120 happened here, right. 2:04:57.280 --> 2:05:01.320 No, Simply his entry vis a expired, so if he 2:05:01.640 --> 2:05:04.080 left the country, he then would have to get another 2:05:04.160 --> 2:05:06.920 visa to get back in, but he can stay as 2:05:06.960 --> 2:05:09.720 long as he still has his valid student status. So 2:05:09.960 --> 2:05:12.680 not only is ICE trying to revoke these like visas, 2:05:12.720 --> 2:05:15.839 but they're trying to essentially say that by revoking these visas, 2:05:16.120 --> 2:05:19.160 they are also attempting to strip them of their student status, 2:05:19.200 --> 2:05:22.320 which is like a separate like step. These things can 2:05:22.360 --> 2:05:24.360 get kind of very very blurry though. 2:05:25.360 --> 2:05:27.680 Yeah, Like I don't quite how that works in terms 2:05:27.680 --> 2:05:30.240 of like our ICE supposed to be able to I 2:05:30.240 --> 2:05:32.080 don't think it hugely matters at this point. 2:05:32.160 --> 2:05:36.240 Technically, the State Department does have that ability, but it's 2:05:36.320 --> 2:05:40.440 under the same like foreign policy risk designation, Okay, and 2:05:40.680 --> 2:05:43.480 they'll justify it by saying, well, his visa already expired, 2:05:43.520 --> 2:05:45.920 so we're just removing him because his visa expired, even 2:05:45.960 --> 2:05:47.800 though that's not really how this works. 2:05:48.200 --> 2:05:51.120 Yeah, then they don't have to remove him for that reason. 2:05:51.160 --> 2:05:52.920 But yeah, in this case, I guess they go for 2:05:52.960 --> 2:05:53.520 something else. 2:05:54.080 --> 2:05:57.360 No, because the University of Alabama did not elect to 2:05:57.800 --> 2:06:01.840 rescind his student status. He was a student good standing, Yeah, 2:06:01.920 --> 2:06:04.760 and thus legally allowed in the United States. 2:06:04.920 --> 2:06:07.879 Yeah yeah, like everyone else say, he hadn't done anything 2:06:08.240 --> 2:06:12.120 that would, under normal circumstances lead to him having any 2:06:12.160 --> 2:06:13.880 interactions with USCIS. 2:06:14.880 --> 2:06:18.120 Just this last week, I sttained a University of Minnesota 2:06:18.120 --> 2:06:21.760 grad student at their off campus housing. The university released 2:06:21.760 --> 2:06:24.040 a statement saying that they had no prior knowledge of 2:06:24.080 --> 2:06:27.920 this incident and had not shared any information with federal authorities. 2:06:28.480 --> 2:06:30.200 This person's name is still not released. 2:06:30.680 --> 2:06:31.000 Okay. 2:06:31.840 --> 2:06:32.520 Last week, a. 2:06:32.480 --> 2:06:36.240 Student at the Southern Illinois University had their visa revoked. 2:06:36.840 --> 2:06:40.240 The school administration told their college paper that the university 2:06:40.280 --> 2:06:43.839 has no role in the visa revocation process. The Illinois 2:06:43.880 --> 2:06:46.320 Governor's office is working with schools across the state to 2:06:46.400 --> 2:06:49.760 quote ensure they are being vigilant about what's happening on 2:06:49.800 --> 2:06:53.280 their respective campuses. The Governor's team has asked universities to 2:06:53.320 --> 2:06:57.040 communicate with international students about the general resources available to 2:06:57.080 --> 2:07:00.240 them through the institution. In addition, we have suggested that 2:07:00.320 --> 2:07:04.400 they connect impacted students with legal resources that have been 2:07:04.440 --> 2:07:08.160 in place for several years. According to a statement sent 2:07:08.200 --> 2:07:12.840 to the university paper, the Daily Egyptian Tina Sickinger, which 2:07:12.920 --> 2:07:18.240 is a very cool name. The school's director of International 2:07:18.280 --> 2:07:21.840 Student and Scholar Services sent an email to the international 2:07:21.840 --> 2:07:26.040 student body of Southern Illinois University advising them to carry 2:07:26.040 --> 2:07:29.920 photocopies of immigration documents with them at all times, as 2:07:29.920 --> 2:07:33.480 well as proof of enrollment and records of US residences. 2:07:34.040 --> 2:07:37.480 The email recommended that students quote use caution on social 2:07:37.520 --> 2:07:42.000 media and exercise discretion when participating in political demonstrations or 2:07:42.080 --> 2:07:47.440 protests unquote, warning that though protests should be protected speech, quote, 2:07:47.560 --> 2:07:50.720 such activities can sometimes be misinterpreted and may carry risks 2:07:50.720 --> 2:07:55.000 to your immigration status unquote. Unfortunately, I think this is 2:07:55.040 --> 2:07:57.120 the university trying to look out for these students. 2:07:57.400 --> 2:08:01.240 Yeah, that's the best you could expect from them, really, And. 2:08:01.520 --> 2:08:04.480 They are providing like legal resources to these students, but 2:08:04.480 --> 2:08:07.280 they're essentially saying like you shouldn't post anything or do 2:08:07.320 --> 2:08:10.600 any protests because then ice might come kidnap you. Yeah, 2:08:10.640 --> 2:08:13.560 which is just a fucked up situation to be in. 2:08:13.600 --> 2:08:16.400 And like, yeah, they don't have any other ability to 2:08:16.520 --> 2:08:19.760 like stop this right now. I am curious what Prisker 2:08:19.840 --> 2:08:21.360 is going to continue to do here. 2:08:21.240 --> 2:08:25.120 Though, Yeah, I mean, none of what they've said is 2:08:25.440 --> 2:08:28.959 like wrong, It's kind of what you can expect from university. 2:08:28.960 --> 2:08:32.280 The best you can expect from the university really is like, hey, 2:08:32.720 --> 2:08:33.920 we've noticed it's happening. 2:08:34.400 --> 2:08:37.640 So that is the situation as it currently stands. I 2:08:37.680 --> 2:08:40.960 do have one final tidbit here just that highlights the 2:08:41.000 --> 2:08:44.280 absurdity of this whole situation. On March twenty fourth, a 2:08:44.360 --> 2:08:47.680 lawsuit on behalf of Israeli Columbia students and relatives of 2:08:47.720 --> 2:08:52.120 Israeli October seventh victims was filed against Columbia Jewish Voice 2:08:52.160 --> 2:08:56.720 for Peace and Students for Justice in Palestine, Columbia University 2:08:56.720 --> 2:09:02.000 Apartheid divest and individual Columbia students, including Mahmoud Khalil. The 2:09:02.080 --> 2:09:04.839 loss of allege is that these Columbia groups and students 2:09:05.120 --> 2:09:09.520 are the domestic propaganda arm of Hamas, and even claims 2:09:09.520 --> 2:09:13.240 that these groups had advanced notice that the October seventh 2:09:13.280 --> 2:09:15.040 attack was going to take place. 2:09:15.200 --> 2:09:16.320 Oh, come on. 2:09:17.000 --> 2:09:21.240 So the plan was kept secret among Hamas's own political 2:09:21.280 --> 2:09:25.360 allies in the region, but they gave an Ivy League 2:09:25.440 --> 2:09:29.200 university in the New York City. 2:09:28.200 --> 2:09:31.520 Had tip off. They just let him know what was coming. 2:09:32.000 --> 2:09:37.320 Completely absurd, absolutely like like the IDF completely failed to 2:09:37.840 --> 2:09:40.200 see this coming, right, But they're not the folks at 2:09:40.240 --> 2:09:42.880 the Ivy League universities who were who were ready and waiting. 2:09:43.520 --> 2:09:46.880 Hamas didn't tell the who thies, They didn't tell Iran, 2:09:47.000 --> 2:09:52.160 they didn't tell Hesbola, but they told student activist groups 2:09:52.200 --> 2:09:55.800 in New York City at the Columbia University campus. 2:09:56.360 --> 2:10:01.600 Yeah, absolutely ludicrous. Like, await this court case. I guess 2:10:01.640 --> 2:10:04.120 to see what evidence they have of this. The evidence 2:10:04.200 --> 2:10:06.440 is going to be like someone had a Palestinian flag. 2:10:06.720 --> 2:10:09.040 Some of the quote unquote evidence that they that they 2:10:09.080 --> 2:10:12.480 allege is that some of these like activist accounts had 2:10:12.600 --> 2:10:16.880 a renewed activity in October of twenty twenty three, like 2:10:16.960 --> 2:10:21.280 before the attack happened. But this is just a simple coincidence. 2:10:21.400 --> 2:10:24.920 Obviously these people did not have a heads up that 2:10:25.240 --> 2:10:26.760 the October seventh attack. 2:10:26.600 --> 2:10:28.680 Was going to take place. Yeah. 2:10:28.720 --> 2:10:32.720 The lawsuit also argues that protest activity is not First 2:10:32.760 --> 2:10:36.560 Amendment protected speech, but in fact, quote substantial assistance in 2:10:36.600 --> 2:10:40.680 the form of propaganda and recruiting services and in coordination 2:10:41.080 --> 2:10:45.040 with a designated foreign terrorist organization, again alleging there's some 2:10:45.160 --> 2:10:49.520 kind of communication between hubmas and student activists in New 2:10:49.600 --> 2:10:50.040 York City. 2:10:50.560 --> 2:10:54.440 Yeah, this is ludicrous. Like one of the reasons maybe 2:10:54.480 --> 2:10:58.240 we're seeing this so much over the Palestine advocacy is 2:10:58.280 --> 2:11:02.760 that Hamas is enlisted foreign terrorist organization. Many other groups 2:11:02.920 --> 2:11:04.640 and lots of groups in that part of the world are, 2:11:05.080 --> 2:11:07.920 But like it's just a bigger stick to waive I 2:11:07.920 --> 2:11:10.320 guess material aid or that no one has been actually 2:11:10.320 --> 2:11:12.760 accused of material aid to foreign terrorist organization as far 2:11:12.760 --> 2:11:15.400 as I'm aware, but like that is kind of the 2:11:15.760 --> 2:11:18.240 sort of stick that they're waving, right, that is the 2:11:18.280 --> 2:11:19.280 thing that they're alleging. 2:11:19.880 --> 2:11:22.800 I will end us with just this kind of final note. Now, 2:11:23.040 --> 2:11:25.640 while there are little signs that this would happen at 2:11:25.640 --> 2:11:29.360 a scale this large and disfocused under a democratic president, 2:11:29.840 --> 2:11:32.760 a degree of consent for this type of targeting was 2:11:32.880 --> 2:11:36.720 manufactured the past year as it relates to Palestine protests, 2:11:36.760 --> 2:11:41.440 with some liberals and democratic politicians associating activists as pro 2:11:41.640 --> 2:11:45.880 Hamas terrorists. And this is the consequence of that public 2:11:45.880 --> 2:11:49.320 perception building and the consent being manufactured for that framing. 2:11:49.800 --> 2:11:52.800 And now that the even more evil side is in charge, 2:11:52.960 --> 2:11:55.680 they can take that justification and run with it way 2:11:55.720 --> 2:11:58.320 further than what a Joe Biden or a Kamala Harris 2:11:58.360 --> 2:12:01.440 would have done. So it is far worse, but it's 2:12:01.480 --> 2:12:04.280 not in a political bubble. This has been like a 2:12:04.320 --> 2:12:06.640 growing project for the past few years. 2:12:07.160 --> 2:12:10.120 There was no point at which to buy the administration really, 2:12:10.160 --> 2:12:14.280 like effusively said, this is protected First Amendment speech. Yeah, 2:12:14.320 --> 2:12:16.560 we may not like it, but it is central to 2:12:16.600 --> 2:12:18.480 the Bill of Rights. It's central to what America is 2:12:18.480 --> 2:12:19.400 supposed to be about. 2:12:19.640 --> 2:12:22.720 They never defended the constitutionality of this speech. Yeah, nor 2:12:22.800 --> 2:12:27.000 would they have intervened to stop the deportation of someone 2:12:27.040 --> 2:12:31.720 like Tall if Cornell decided to revoke his status, right right, Yeah, 2:12:31.880 --> 2:12:34.360 I don't think they buy an administration or a Kamala 2:12:34.400 --> 2:12:37.840 Harris administration would be directed in these these universities to 2:12:37.920 --> 2:12:40.120 take that action themselves, nor would they be I think 2:12:40.320 --> 2:12:43.880 revoking student visas at scale like this, No, but they 2:12:43.880 --> 2:12:46.320 would have let Ice do the stuff that ICE does 2:12:46.720 --> 2:12:52.480 if universities themselves elect to remove student visas or unenroll 2:12:52.600 --> 2:12:55.200 these students, and like, a degree of the complacency here 2:12:55.320 --> 2:12:59.320 is placed on the actual university administrations, the university staff 2:12:59.520 --> 2:13:03.760 who have beenfying these protesters for the past two years. 2:13:04.320 --> 2:13:07.520 Yeah, and I mean in some cases, right, Like I'm 2:13:07.520 --> 2:13:10.840 thinking of one of Columbia, Like professors have got away 2:13:10.920 --> 2:13:14.040 with things which are absolutely unacceptable and like one hundred 2:13:14.160 --> 2:13:18.520 percent in some violation of your agreement with the university 2:13:18.520 --> 2:13:21.600 as a member of the faculty, Like doxing your students. Yeah, 2:13:21.720 --> 2:13:27.640 photographing students without their consent, following students around like absolutely unacceptable, 2:13:28.600 --> 2:13:31.920 Like in any other context that you would be immediately 2:13:31.960 --> 2:13:34.520 shitcanned for that. Like really, really, the only reason you 2:13:34.560 --> 2:13:37.520 can lose tenure seemingly is being a fucking creep to 2:13:37.560 --> 2:13:41.600 students or stealing a lot of money, And like universities 2:13:41.640 --> 2:13:45.640 did allow that for more than a year under the 2:13:45.680 --> 2:13:48.880 Biden administration, and like we're seeing the consequences of that now. 2:13:49.320 --> 2:13:52.080 It's also worth noting that, since I've had to quote 2:13:52.080 --> 2:13:55.640 from so many government statements this episode, the Trump admin 2:13:55.840 --> 2:14:01.080 is continuing to correlate any expression of sympathy or solidarity 2:14:01.080 --> 2:14:06.120 with Palestine as explicit support for Hamas. Basically, anything you 2:14:06.200 --> 2:14:09.320 say that's critical of the Israeli government its actions in 2:14:09.360 --> 2:14:12.240 Gaza are being interpreted by the Trump administration as anti 2:14:12.240 --> 2:14:16.280 semitism and support for the October seventh massacre. This is 2:14:16.280 --> 2:14:19.320 a false equivalency. What the government alleges should not be 2:14:19.400 --> 2:14:22.560 automatically taken as the truth. These tactics have been used 2:14:22.560 --> 2:14:27.320 for years to broadly smear pro Palestine activists while also 2:14:27.440 --> 2:14:31.800 hurting anti Zionist Jews. And I guess, like, finally, we 2:14:31.880 --> 2:14:36.560 are not necessarily endorsing every single thing that every single 2:14:36.560 --> 2:14:39.200 one of these students has said. We do not necessarily 2:14:39.200 --> 2:14:41.960 agree with the framing of every single sentence that they 2:14:41.960 --> 2:14:42.360 have said. 2:14:42.480 --> 2:14:44.720 Yeah, I mean we don't know everything that they've said. 2:14:44.920 --> 2:14:47.480 We can, yeah, exactly. This is like completely separate to that. 2:14:47.960 --> 2:14:51.040 Yeah, it doesn't matter, Like we are defending their right 2:14:51.120 --> 2:14:53.440 to engage in constitutionally protected speaking. 2:14:53.200 --> 2:14:55.840 Correct no matter what they're saying, no matter if they 2:14:55.920 --> 2:14:59.400 have opinions on hamas that differ from ours. No matter 2:14:59.440 --> 2:15:02.280 what they are saying at a campus protest, it should 2:15:02.280 --> 2:15:05.480 not result in ICE targeting them and hunting them down 2:15:06.080 --> 2:15:08.600 and forcing students who attend to sit in protests into 2:15:08.680 --> 2:15:12.560 hiding to defend their own rights and to keep their 2:15:12.600 --> 2:15:15.960 green cards. This is like a completely absurd and like 2:15:16.000 --> 2:15:20.920 blatantly fascist to use the now overused word frankly, but 2:15:21.000 --> 2:15:23.440 this is like, this is this is what that is 2:15:23.600 --> 2:15:25.839 if this was happening in China, this was happening in Russia, 2:15:26.160 --> 2:15:29.200 in other countries, people would be very very quick to call. 2:15:29.080 --> 2:15:32.440 Out I mean, it does happen in Russia, right people exactly, 2:15:32.640 --> 2:15:35.920 people quick to call it out. Yeah, yeah, And if 2:15:35.960 --> 2:15:38.040 the State Department of this country has called it out 2:15:38.120 --> 2:15:40.840 right like it at right Ley, Yes, I don't agree 2:15:40.840 --> 2:15:42.680 with everything the State Department does, but they do agree 2:15:42.680 --> 2:15:45.280 with him on that, like yeah, And I think this 2:15:45.400 --> 2:15:47.400 is like I know, if you find yourself having a 2:15:47.440 --> 2:15:51.760 discussion about this, I think almost everyone in America can 2:15:51.840 --> 2:15:54.640 find something that they disagree with the government on or 2:15:54.720 --> 2:15:57.600 have disagreed with the government on, and like, this hurts 2:15:57.720 --> 2:16:01.880 every single one of us. Right, everyone's right to freedom 2:16:01.880 --> 2:16:04.000 of speech is challenged. When someone's right to freedom of 2:16:04.040 --> 2:16:06.680 speech is challenged, and like, I think that is the 2:16:06.920 --> 2:16:11.320 way to approach this. It doesn't really matter if the 2:16:11.520 --> 2:16:15.320 people whose speech is being challenged right now, the speech 2:16:15.400 --> 2:16:17.360 is if it's odious to us, if it's something that 2:16:17.360 --> 2:16:20.560 we don't agree with, Like, that isn't what's at stake. 2:16:20.600 --> 2:16:24.200 What's at stake is everyone's right to say everything without 2:16:24.280 --> 2:16:25.400 government consequences. 2:16:26.080 --> 2:16:28.640 Well, I think that doesn't for us today at it 2:16:28.640 --> 2:16:32.320 Could Happen Here? We will continue to report on the 2:16:32.400 --> 2:16:36.160 targeting of students, scholars and professors, and immigrants in general 2:16:36.680 --> 2:16:41.200 as the Trump administration ramps up its deportation efforts. If 2:16:41.200 --> 2:16:44.640 you would like to contact us about these topics, we 2:16:44.720 --> 2:16:48.920 have an encrypted email address at cool Zone, tips at 2:16:49.040 --> 2:16:52.440 proton dot ne. It is end to end encrypted, so 2:16:52.600 --> 2:16:56.560 if you use another encrypted email service or another proton 2:16:56.640 --> 2:17:00.000 mail account to send the email only, then is it encrypts? 2:17:00.080 --> 2:17:25.160 Did this? 2:17:25.400 --> 2:17:26.520 Is it could happen here? 2:17:26.600 --> 2:17:30.240 Executive Disorder our weekly newscast covering what's happening in the 2:17:30.240 --> 2:17:33.880 White House, the crumbling economic world, and what this means 2:17:33.879 --> 2:17:34.240 for you. 2:17:34.520 --> 2:17:38.000 I'm Garrison Davis. I'm joined by Robert Evans, James Stout. 2:17:37.760 --> 2:17:41.720 And Mio Wong. It is a liberation day in America. 2:17:41.800 --> 2:17:43.760 Everyone. How do you feel? 2:17:43.840 --> 2:17:47.560 I feel liberated, last, free at last, Thank God Almighty, 2:17:47.720 --> 2:17:50.480 we are free at last for being able to afford things. 2:17:50.959 --> 2:17:54.320 I am so so liberated right. 2:17:54.200 --> 2:17:57.240 Now, unchained from a burden of having money. 2:17:57.320 --> 2:18:01.040 Yes, yes, well, as the Buddhists say, know, freeing yourself 2:18:01.040 --> 2:18:03.360 from attachment is really the path to nirvana. 2:18:03.840 --> 2:18:06.240 Trump really is our first Buddhist president. 2:18:06.720 --> 2:18:09.080 Is one thing they say about him. 2:18:09.320 --> 2:18:11.840 That's right. He may be the new Dalai Lama who 2:18:11.879 --> 2:18:14.320 can say the Dalai Lama and he hasn't, but. 2:18:14.879 --> 2:18:18.040 Yeah, yeah, and the priests who looked for him after 2:18:18.080 --> 2:18:22.640 he dies. When he comes back. These guys, unfortunately, they're 2:18:22.640 --> 2:18:24.360 probably on a fucking travel band list. 2:18:24.360 --> 2:18:26.720 Now, oh my god, there's I mean, pretty good chance 2:18:26.720 --> 2:18:31.440 they're in ice custody at the moment. If I understand Buddhists. 2:18:33.000 --> 2:18:36.800 Well, I think we should just get right to the 2:18:36.879 --> 2:18:40.040 most pressing news, which is line go down. 2:18:40.480 --> 2:18:42.760 Line, Line is on its way down. 2:18:44.280 --> 2:18:46.879 Yeah, line in free fold currently. 2:18:47.200 --> 2:18:51.240 Yeah. It's funny because they chose they were supposed to initially. 2:18:51.720 --> 2:18:53.360 I think it was like going to be three pm 2:18:53.480 --> 2:18:56.480 or something. E St two or three was the initial 2:18:56.520 --> 2:18:59.080 time they wanted to announce this, which would have given 2:18:59.600 --> 2:19:01.640 this dock market a couple of. 2:19:01.560 --> 2:19:04.680 Hours on April second, right, yeah. 2:19:04.520 --> 2:19:06.760 Yeah, on April second, it would have given it Liberation Day. 2:19:06.760 --> 2:19:08.720 On Liberation Day, there would have been a couple hours 2:19:08.840 --> 2:19:13.200 for it to take effect, and they attempted to mitigate this. 2:19:13.400 --> 2:19:14.920 I guess in the hope that we would all get 2:19:14.959 --> 2:19:20.360 over it overnight, we would forget some other ship before 2:19:20.480 --> 2:19:22.840 the new prices. Even Kevin, we'd be like, ah no, 2:19:22.959 --> 2:19:26.080 I'm on and the next thing. But the Dow and 2:19:26.080 --> 2:19:28.800 the NASA is all all plunged because it's clear if 2:19:28.840 --> 2:19:32.480 the president is like deliberately shifting an event to not 2:19:32.560 --> 2:19:35.199 hurt the stock market, that's going to hurt the stock market, 2:19:35.520 --> 2:19:35.720 you know. 2:19:35.840 --> 2:19:38.520 Yeah, yeah, it's good. When you see a ninety degree 2:19:38.560 --> 2:19:41.240 angle on the old stock market graph, that's when you 2:19:41.280 --> 2:19:43.640 know someone's really crushing it in the economic delug. 2:19:43.640 --> 2:19:47.920 And so far, we're recording this a little afternoon on Thursday, 2:19:48.000 --> 2:19:51.800 the April the third, So just in the course of today, 2:19:52.160 --> 2:19:55.240 major stock indexes have dropped by about five point six percent, 2:19:55.280 --> 2:19:58.400 which means about two point seven trillion dollars in market value, 2:19:58.800 --> 2:20:01.720 which will be the just declined since March of twenty 2:20:01.760 --> 2:20:04.440 twenty sick. So we are it is looking like this 2:20:04.480 --> 2:20:06.440 is going to be, at the very least a stock 2:20:06.440 --> 2:20:08.680 market decline in line with the one that came as 2:20:08.680 --> 2:20:13.080 a result of the global pandemic, with the noted caveat 2:20:13.120 --> 2:20:15.040 that there's really no reason to believe it will get 2:20:15.040 --> 2:20:16.040 better at any point. 2:20:16.879 --> 2:20:19.800 Yeah, yeah, you can't ready vaccinate against you now, I'm 2:20:19.840 --> 2:20:22.480 not qualified to give financial advice, but I think everyone 2:20:22.480 --> 2:20:24.440 should pull out your four O one k right now, 2:20:24.560 --> 2:20:28.920 go to the bank, withdraw all your money, all of your. 2:20:28.879 --> 2:20:31.680 Rivery bit of it. Put it into the worst tasting 2:20:31.800 --> 2:20:35.199 survival foods. Yeah, and you're gonna want to buy Kel texts, 2:20:35.400 --> 2:20:39.920 lots of Kel texts in a caliber no one else has. 2:20:40.440 --> 2:20:42.240 Five to seven. Yeah, get the one that doesn't take 2:20:42.560 --> 2:20:46.400 eighty thirty two ACP. I won the thirty two ACP. 2:20:46.480 --> 2:20:46.840 That's it. 2:20:46.920 --> 2:20:50.160 That's it, James. Everyone buy thirty two ACP. 2:20:49.840 --> 2:20:52.320 And guy, yeah, it's exceeded in ending one World war 2:20:52.440 --> 2:20:53.640 and right done. 2:20:53.680 --> 2:20:55.880 We call that doing a hitler, but in a good way. 2:20:55.920 --> 2:20:58.680 Someone here has to be vaguely responsible and say, don't 2:20:58.720 --> 2:21:02.000 fucking do that. Do none of those things, zero zero 2:21:02.080 --> 2:21:04.920 of those too. Your accounts, get hard cash. 2:21:05.560 --> 2:21:07.640 Mark Cuban told people to do that. 2:21:08.280 --> 2:21:09.560 Absolutely not. 2:21:09.920 --> 2:21:13.440 Mayor endorses Reagan Coin is the exclusive safe source of 2:21:13.560 --> 2:21:14.760 the time savings. 2:21:15.040 --> 2:21:17.400 You're gonna want to put every dime you've got in 2:21:18.080 --> 2:21:21.160 pressed latinum. Now I know that that's the currency from 2:21:21.280 --> 2:21:25.440 star Trek and does not exist. Nevertheless, cancel your accounts, 2:21:25.640 --> 2:21:26.800 put it all in latinum. 2:21:26.920 --> 2:21:29.000 I mean, it's gonna exist. In like what like forty 2:21:29.080 --> 2:21:30.560 years per time. 2:21:30.720 --> 2:21:33.280 On the ground, it's not already a meme coin ten 2:21:33.320 --> 2:21:34.720 minutes off to discuss more. 2:21:34.640 --> 2:21:37.320 Stable than your four oh one k Right now, you can. 2:21:37.240 --> 2:21:39.560 Be rich just in time for money to stop being 2:21:39.640 --> 2:21:39.960 a thing. 2:21:40.240 --> 2:21:41.680 There you go, there you go. 2:21:41.760 --> 2:21:44.560 Yeah, this is why we're launching cool zone coin. 2:21:44.600 --> 2:21:46.400 Guys. 2:21:46.640 --> 2:21:50.640 It's redeemable for whatever money the Ferengi use when they exist. 2:21:51.680 --> 2:21:54.640 We should probably talk about why the stock market is 2:21:54.680 --> 2:21:57.000 doing poor Leah, So I think Robert, you can handle 2:21:57.040 --> 2:21:57.600 this segue. 2:21:58.320 --> 2:22:02.640 Well, you know, wait, what is that? Oh my god? 2:22:03.080 --> 2:22:12.360 Is that Mina Wong's theme music by god Lock jas 2:22:12.440 --> 2:22:21.120 right jas locks right jasp. 2:22:22.760 --> 2:22:26.080 Oh god, that was a great purchase, you guys. I mean, 2:22:26.080 --> 2:22:28.080 can we all agree with every penny? 2:22:28.080 --> 2:22:28.280 Really? 2:22:28.560 --> 2:22:32.400 Was the best financial purchase we've made is the Tariff 2:22:32.440 --> 2:22:33.120 Talk theme though. 2:22:33.360 --> 2:22:35.480 We're gonna get so much mileage out of that thing. 2:22:35.920 --> 2:22:38.200 It's an unbelievable. 2:22:37.520 --> 2:22:39.480 You're gonna be using this fucker for years. 2:22:41.320 --> 2:22:44.840 At least something good came of face. When you're struggling 2:22:44.920 --> 2:22:47.200 to get by with your family, just remember the song. 2:22:47.240 --> 2:22:49.200 Yeah yeah, this will keep you warm as you huddle 2:22:49.240 --> 2:22:52.119 around a barrel waiting for the UH the new police, 2:22:52.120 --> 2:22:55.440 which are just called murder police to reach your chanty 2:22:55.560 --> 2:22:58.840 town anyway. 2:22:59.280 --> 2:23:02.680 Let us talk heraffs. Power sections of the left have 2:23:02.760 --> 2:23:06.440 long argued is in logistics. It was logistics that allowed 2:23:06.480 --> 2:23:08.879 the capitalists of the nineteen seventies and eighties to crush 2:23:08.920 --> 2:23:12.160 the labor movement by enacting the so called spatial fix 2:23:12.200 --> 2:23:15.800 to the crisis of capitalism. By shifting production from countries 2:23:15.840 --> 2:23:18.720 where workers movements were strong to countries where violence against 2:23:18.760 --> 2:23:22.240 workers was easier and workers were thus poorer and more exploited, 2:23:22.560 --> 2:23:25.119 CEOs could pit workers against each other in an endless 2:23:25.200 --> 2:23:29.000 race to the bottom. These practices became known as offshoring. 2:23:29.440 --> 2:23:32.199 Infused with the international attack on unions and the power 2:23:32.240 --> 2:23:36.039 of workers heralded in the US by Reagan, together they 2:23:36.040 --> 2:23:39.240 crushed the workers movement and implemented neoliberal austerity throughout the 2:23:39.240 --> 2:23:43.920 globe through a regime that is colloquially known as free trade. Now, 2:23:44.000 --> 2:23:47.279 there was, of course, resistance to this, maybe most famously 2:23:47.320 --> 2:23:50.320 the uprising of the Zapatistas and Chiapas in nineteen ninety four, 2:23:50.400 --> 2:23:53.520 on the day the NAFTA went into effect. But for 2:23:53.600 --> 2:23:55.560 all of the victories and all of the spaces that 2:23:55.600 --> 2:23:58.560 were carved out. It is still the CEOs, the bosses, 2:23:58.600 --> 2:24:01.959 and the capitalists to rule the world. However, in the 2:24:02.000 --> 2:24:05.560 wake of their defeat, sections of the working class came 2:24:05.600 --> 2:24:07.800 to see their own power as a product of the 2:24:07.879 --> 2:24:12.280 nation of masculinity of American jobs. For American workers, in 2:24:12.320 --> 2:24:15.080 this view, you didn't need to form a union, you 2:24:15.080 --> 2:24:17.120 didn't need to organize, you didn't need to fight the 2:24:17.120 --> 2:24:19.920 bosses who exploit you. All you needed to do for 2:24:20.080 --> 2:24:22.360 the high paying blue collar jobs of the nineteen sixties 2:24:22.400 --> 2:24:25.440 to return was getting rid of the immigrants and bring 2:24:25.520 --> 2:24:30.440 jobs back home. This American nationalist ideology was extremely useful 2:24:30.440 --> 2:24:32.600 to the ruling class. It allowed them to turn the 2:24:32.640 --> 2:24:34.959 rhetoric of the old base of the workers' movement into 2:24:34.959 --> 2:24:37.760 a fascist movement, which they could then use to smash 2:24:37.800 --> 2:24:40.920 any genuine worker struggle and then ride to power to 2:24:41.000 --> 2:24:44.800 impose more brutal austerity and more pro capitalist reforms, too, 2:24:45.080 --> 2:24:47.400 in their view, make it impossible for their power ever 2:24:47.400 --> 2:24:51.560 to be challenged again. But a strange thing happened in 2:24:51.600 --> 2:24:54.119 the nationalism bred by the defeat of the workers movement. 2:24:54.640 --> 2:24:59.000 The human personifications of the capitalist bubble economy in Donald 2:24:59.040 --> 2:25:01.800 Trump and Elon Musk have come to see their own 2:25:01.879 --> 2:25:06.560 victory as defeat. They became convinced that the trade deficits, 2:25:06.800 --> 2:25:09.640 which from a capitalist perspective simply do not matter as 2:25:09.680 --> 2:25:11.199 long as companies are making money. 2:25:11.480 --> 2:25:15.240 Yeah, yes, they better for shit. 2:25:15.520 --> 2:25:16.640 Yeah here's the fuck. 2:25:17.080 --> 2:25:20.480 What you are calling a trade deficit is us getting 2:25:20.520 --> 2:25:21.840 things we want from. 2:25:21.640 --> 2:25:26.080 People, Like yeah, yeah, it's buying stuff. Like I saw 2:25:26.120 --> 2:25:27.680 a good post. It was like, you don't have a 2:25:27.720 --> 2:25:29.879 trade deficit with your dentist. You just pay them to 2:25:29.879 --> 2:25:31.119 fix your teeth, Like. 2:25:31.560 --> 2:25:34.720 Yeah, I was. I was told at one point in 2:25:34.720 --> 2:25:38.320 this nation's greatest living previous moment of crisis, that what 2:25:38.360 --> 2:25:40.680 we needed to do was go buy things to make 2:25:40.720 --> 2:25:41.160 it better. 2:25:43.120 --> 2:25:44.320 Not anymore, buddy. 2:25:44.400 --> 2:25:47.840 Nope, because because these people, Donald Trump and Elon Musk 2:25:48.200 --> 2:25:52.280 and the cadra of weird white nationals fanatic sets around them, 2:25:52.520 --> 2:25:56.080 have absolutely convinced themselves that if you have a trade deficit, 2:25:56.120 --> 2:25:58.320 you are being ripped off by foreigners. 2:25:58.400 --> 2:25:59.800 Yep, yep. 2:26:00.000 --> 2:26:02.680 And so they concluded that we needed to put tariffs 2:26:02.680 --> 2:26:04.400 on fucking all of the rest of the world in 2:26:04.440 --> 2:26:09.080 order to bring American jobs back to Americans. A new 2:26:09.160 --> 2:26:13.360 national autarchy for a fascist world now the ruling class, 2:26:13.440 --> 2:26:17.560 all the capitalists, all these fucking goddamn Goldman Sachs motherfuckers, 2:26:17.959 --> 2:26:20.879 financial analysts, all of these CNBC dipshits, all of these 2:26:20.920 --> 2:26:23.560 fucking all these motherfuckers at black Rock and all of 2:26:23.600 --> 2:26:26.599 the global hedge funds and all of these, all these motherfuckers, 2:26:26.600 --> 2:26:28.400 all of the tech dipshits, all of the people who 2:26:28.440 --> 2:26:30.959 backed Trump to a hilt, simply assumed that none of 2:26:30.959 --> 2:26:33.320 these hairs would ever happen, that it was all campaign bluster, 2:26:33.600 --> 2:26:35.840 that he was lying out of his ass. And you know, 2:26:36.320 --> 2:26:39.160 Obama again I've said this before, ran an abolishing NAFTA. 2:26:39.280 --> 2:26:40.800 So there was you know, and well, what the fuck 2:26:40.800 --> 2:26:43.800 ever came from that, right? We of course fucking tried 2:26:43.800 --> 2:26:45.600 to tell them otherwise. We tried to tell them that 2:26:45.640 --> 2:26:47.840 they could not fucking control the fascist beasts, that one 2:26:47.920 --> 2:26:50.320 day it would rise to consume them all along with us. 2:26:51.120 --> 2:26:53.680 They didn't care. They backed Trump anyways because they thought 2:26:53.680 --> 2:26:57.400 they would get fucking tax breaks and now liberation days here. 2:26:57.520 --> 2:26:59.760 Don't forget Krypto. They were really bullshot back. 2:27:00.240 --> 2:27:05.040 Yeah, all of these motherfuckers, they really thought that Trump 2:27:05.160 --> 2:27:07.720 was going to fucking literally all Trump was going to 2:27:07.760 --> 2:27:10.080 do was punish the transgenders, get rid of woke, and 2:27:10.120 --> 2:27:11.000 give them tax cuts. 2:27:11.280 --> 2:27:12.360 Mm hmm yep. 2:27:13.080 --> 2:27:14.879 And now if the terror falls have gone up, the 2:27:14.879 --> 2:27:17.640 old world is dead, the new world struggles to be born. 2:27:17.959 --> 2:27:19.960 Now is the time of monsters. 2:27:20.000 --> 2:27:22.200 Now we're in what I'm what I'm referring to as 2:27:22.240 --> 2:27:24.840 the Chinese Century. I came up with this this this 2:27:24.920 --> 2:27:25.880 week on my own. 2:27:25.959 --> 2:27:26.119 Wow. 2:27:26.280 --> 2:27:29.760 Yeah, yeah, okay, mm hmm yeah. Good Now. 2:27:29.840 --> 2:27:33.800 That's that's of course named after Chinatown in San Francisco, 2:27:33.840 --> 2:27:38.039 which Garrison is very bullish about positive, positive real estate 2:27:38.040 --> 2:27:41.280 developments there. Uh, you're big into real estate. People don't 2:27:41.280 --> 2:27:41.520 know that. 2:27:42.120 --> 2:27:44.960 Chinese real estate absolutely where you want to be right now, 2:27:45.000 --> 2:27:48.880 both both in Chinatown and in actual China. You put 2:27:48.920 --> 2:27:51.200 all your money in the Chinese real estate. The bubble 2:27:51.240 --> 2:27:53.560 can't pop a second time, can only go back up. 2:27:54.520 --> 2:27:56.480 It does. There were so many like enemies on the 2:27:56.600 --> 2:28:00.360 verge of defeat in like the traditional US geopolitical sense, 2:28:00.400 --> 2:28:03.880 like China'scconoio was doing great. Russia could have been easily 2:28:04.120 --> 2:28:06.400 pushed to collapse, and we were just like Noah, no, no, 2:28:06.520 --> 2:28:09.360 you know what's better. We're gonna shoot ourselves right in the. 2:28:09.360 --> 2:28:11.959 Deck, which we've snatched defeat from. 2:28:11.800 --> 2:28:14.840 The ourselves in a dick with a bullet that venmos, 2:28:14.920 --> 2:28:16.080 both of you guys. 2:28:18.600 --> 2:28:20.640 It's great. We dug up the Cold War, resurrected it 2:28:20.680 --> 2:28:21.240 and then lost. 2:28:21.360 --> 2:28:22.640 Yeah, just to lose. 2:28:24.320 --> 2:28:25.000 It's beautiful. 2:28:25.000 --> 2:28:26.840 You can't. Yeah, it's so it's sort of like Michael 2:28:26.920 --> 2:28:30.240 Jackson coming back for Space Jam if he had immediately 2:28:30.879 --> 2:28:33.879 like fucking thrown a basketball so hard at a bugs 2:28:33.879 --> 2:28:35.520 bunny skull that it put him at traction. 2:28:36.160 --> 2:28:38.160 I'm sorry, did you just say Michael Jackson. 2:28:38.360 --> 2:28:41.560 Jordan didn't, Okay, Jordan, we just said Jacks Well, definitely, 2:28:42.520 --> 2:28:46.279 you know, leave it in different, different movie, maybe better. 2:28:46.520 --> 2:28:49.600 You know, he always he always performed well around kids. 2:28:49.600 --> 2:28:52.640 So it's good. 2:28:52.720 --> 2:28:54.240 God, yeah, I love Space Jam. 2:28:54.400 --> 2:28:55.080 It's a good movie. 2:28:55.480 --> 2:28:55.920 Anymore. 2:28:55.959 --> 2:28:57.240 Garret said, it's forevitainted. 2:28:57.320 --> 2:29:00.400 Now, so let's let's talk about the nature of like 2:29:00.520 --> 2:29:02.199 what's actually going down with these terrts. 2:29:02.280 --> 2:29:03.640 Yeah, let's get to the tariffs. 2:29:03.720 --> 2:29:06.880 Terrible, terrifable, terrifable, that's right, garrisons. 2:29:06.959 --> 2:29:08.680 Yeah, so okay, so let let me let me let 2:29:08.680 --> 2:29:10.280 me just let me just read off some of the 2:29:10.320 --> 2:29:13.680 ones that are going to fuck everyone. Great, fifty four 2:29:13.720 --> 2:29:17.240 percent tariff on all goods from China. This is a 2:29:17.240 --> 2:29:19.000 thirty four percent tariff that is being added on to 2:29:19.000 --> 2:29:21.280 the twenty percent tariff that was already on. There is 2:29:21.280 --> 2:29:23.360 a twenty percent tariff on all goods from the EU, 2:29:23.800 --> 2:29:28.000 forty six percent on Vietnam, which is fucking devastating because 2:29:28.000 --> 2:29:29.800 there's a huge amount of capital from China. 2:29:30.000 --> 2:29:34.560 Also, speaking of the China Panic, our strongest geopolitical ally 2:29:35.080 --> 2:29:39.440 in the region, like in terms of having a military right. 2:29:39.800 --> 2:29:43.000 Yeah, that we've been discussing going to warfall. 2:29:42.560 --> 2:29:46.360 Quite really Yeah, like we we just we we have 2:29:46.480 --> 2:29:48.440 literally and this is this is the funny thing about 2:29:48.440 --> 2:29:50.560 all of these. Vicky Osto will pointed this out. The 2:29:50.560 --> 2:29:53.160 more closely allied with the US, the more fucked you 2:29:53.200 --> 2:29:53.800 got by these. 2:29:54.280 --> 2:29:55.840 It's such a weird move. 2:29:56.080 --> 2:29:59.039 Yeah, yeah, twenty four percent tariff on Japan. 2:29:58.840 --> 2:30:01.119 What is it like eighty or ninety percent on fucking 2:30:01.160 --> 2:30:02.720 Cambodia why. 2:30:03.000 --> 2:30:06.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So we'll we'll get to why 2:30:06.480 --> 2:30:08.720 in a second. I want to also cover so there's 2:30:08.760 --> 2:30:11.640 there's a thirty seven percent tariff on Bangladesh, which is 2:30:11.680 --> 2:30:14.080 going to be devastating. I mean a lot of textile 2:30:14.120 --> 2:30:17.560 imports twenty five percent on South Korea. So fucking rip 2:30:17.640 --> 2:30:22.120 you ever getting a phone again? On Taiwan. So rip 2:30:22.160 --> 2:30:25.080 the entire tech industry. Uh? I fucking rip Taiwan too. 2:30:25.959 --> 2:30:26.080 Uh. 2:30:26.280 --> 2:30:29.640 These tariffs are going to devastate the international economy. Okay, 2:30:29.680 --> 2:30:32.400 I have been angry about this since the fucking election. 2:30:32.840 --> 2:30:36.520 People have been calling these tariffs attacks. That is just no, 2:30:37.440 --> 2:30:39.199 it is not what's happening here. This is like calling 2:30:39.280 --> 2:30:44.440 it a tax is to completely underplay how serious this is. 2:30:44.480 --> 2:30:46.840 This is not a fucking tax. This is the wholesale 2:30:46.879 --> 2:30:49.879 destruction of entire industries. And some of these industries like 2:30:49.879 --> 2:30:52.120 fast fashion, which you know has always been undergirded by 2:30:52.120 --> 2:30:54.480 the exploitation of workers from China to Bangladesh and also 2:30:54.520 --> 2:30:57.040 like in the US two but like you know, fuck 2:30:57.120 --> 2:30:59.640 those things whatever, they never needed to exist. Fuck them. 2:30:59.680 --> 2:31:01.240 But like you know, like you're probably not gonna be 2:31:01.240 --> 2:31:03.240 able to fucking buy board games anymore because they're going 2:31:03.320 --> 2:31:04.360 to be too expensive to produce. 2:31:04.560 --> 2:31:07.440 Oh, it's gonna shatter games like tabletop gaming. 2:31:07.600 --> 2:31:10.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, it's done. Like the economy as we 2:31:10.320 --> 2:31:14.120 knew it does not exist as of like this morning, right, 2:31:14.360 --> 2:31:16.280 everything that we've known about how this thing works is 2:31:16.280 --> 2:31:18.680 fucking done. And some of these are just, you know, 2:31:18.800 --> 2:31:23.200 like unbelievably hideously cruel. So, for example, a forty four 2:31:23.240 --> 2:31:25.920 percent terriff on me and Mark, Yeah, which you know 2:31:26.120 --> 2:31:28.560 is a country, Yeah, devastated by a horrific war wage 2:31:28.600 --> 2:31:31.120 for a brutal dictatorship and also fucking suffering from a 2:31:31.120 --> 2:31:33.800 catastrophic earthquake, and we're like, fuck you eat shit. 2:31:33.879 --> 2:31:35.879 Forty four percent tariff also embargoed. 2:31:35.879 --> 2:31:40.440 No, like we've seized their government assets in the United States, Like, yep, 2:31:40.640 --> 2:31:43.880 it's one of like Diego Garcia for instance. 2:31:44.000 --> 2:31:47.439 Yes, there's well it's on the British Indian Ocean Territory, 2:31:47.480 --> 2:31:50.560 which collective population is primarily US soldiers. 2:31:50.879 --> 2:31:54.560 Yeah, like Christmas Island is on there, like yeah, you know. 2:31:54.600 --> 2:31:56.400 And there's one more that I want to talk about, 2:31:56.400 --> 2:31:58.720 which is that so Sri Lanka has been suffering from 2:31:58.760 --> 2:32:01.880 an unbelievably devastating series of economic crises and they're getting 2:32:01.920 --> 2:32:04.760 hit with forty four percent fucking tariff in a moment 2:32:04.800 --> 2:32:07.880 when like they already haven't had enough dollars to fucking 2:32:07.959 --> 2:32:11.400 import fuel for their economy to function. So this is 2:32:11.440 --> 2:32:14.520 going to be devastating not just for us, but for 2:32:14.720 --> 2:32:17.680 a whole bunch of people across the world. So this 2:32:18.000 --> 2:32:20.400 is the other aspect of this too, that's really fucking brtle, 2:32:20.520 --> 2:32:24.879 is that for the US, right, we don't need other countries' money, 2:32:25.280 --> 2:32:27.840 We don't need to have piles of any other country's 2:32:27.840 --> 2:32:30.600 money around, Right, we can just buy things in American dollars. 2:32:31.360 --> 2:32:34.480 But if you are Sri Lanka, you need American dollars 2:32:34.520 --> 2:32:35.160 to buy oil. 2:32:35.280 --> 2:32:36.160 Yes, there are. 2:32:36.040 --> 2:32:37.880 So many fucking things that you could only buy in 2:32:37.959 --> 2:32:40.560 American dollars. And when these tariffs go up, when the 2:32:40.600 --> 2:32:42.960 prices increase, and when they can't fucking sell their stuff, 2:32:43.280 --> 2:32:45.000 that means that they don't have dollars, and that means 2:32:45.040 --> 2:32:48.000 that they can't get access to a whole bunch of 2:32:48.040 --> 2:32:50.080 the vital commodities that they need to survive. And this 2:32:50.200 --> 2:32:52.760 is just going to fucking devastate them. And I think 2:32:52.879 --> 2:32:55.160 that's been an angle that I really wanted to make 2:32:55.160 --> 2:32:57.760 sure we talked about, because it's been I haven't seen 2:32:57.800 --> 2:32:59.680 any fucking mention of it at all, even though those 2:32:59.680 --> 2:33:01.120 are the are going to suffer the most of this 2:33:01.160 --> 2:33:03.840 are people who are already completely on the fucking edge, 2:33:03.840 --> 2:33:06.879 whose economies have already been collapsed. You've already been so 2:33:06.920 --> 2:33:11.880 brutally exploited by these same fucking people, and they're just fucked. 2:33:12.640 --> 2:33:17.039 Yep. You know, we always say we know like tarifs, 2:33:17.240 --> 2:33:26.960 but we do like these ads. 2:33:31.600 --> 2:33:32.119 We're back. 2:33:32.480 --> 2:33:33.640 I don't feel great about that. 2:33:33.720 --> 2:33:37.640 But now there is a funny part of all of this. 2:33:38.280 --> 2:33:40.720 There is some fun here good, which is okay. So 2:33:41.200 --> 2:33:44.240 what if the big questions about the tariffs was how 2:33:44.240 --> 2:33:46.400 were they going to calculate the tariffs on all of 2:33:46.440 --> 2:33:49.160 these countries? Right because they were saying that that their 2:33:49.280 --> 2:33:51.320 terrorifts were going to be a projection of like currency 2:33:51.320 --> 2:33:54.680 manipulation and like value added taxes and like all of 2:33:54.680 --> 2:33:57.640 these like like subsidies to vital industries and you know, 2:33:57.680 --> 2:33:59.640 and the question again was like literally, how can they 2:33:59.640 --> 2:34:02.240 poss cocky at the tariff rates of hundreds of different 2:34:02.280 --> 2:34:04.800 countries and taking into account all these things right now 2:34:05.600 --> 2:34:07.600 have been making a couple of weeks ago, was that 2:34:07.640 --> 2:34:10.520 they were going to do brackets. What they actually appear 2:34:10.600 --> 2:34:14.480 to have done is ass chat GPT. 2:34:16.720 --> 2:34:19.720 It's entirely people have like reverse engineered the prompts. It's 2:34:19.760 --> 2:34:23.200 almost directly just the schatchy probably shit, there's a couple 2:34:23.800 --> 2:34:26.840 different engines that gave almost identical responses. But it's probably just. 2:34:26.879 --> 2:34:29.240 Amazing that they're doing the same shit as like my 2:34:29.360 --> 2:34:31.520 undergraduates and the people are doing the same shit. 2:34:31.840 --> 2:34:34.440 Sure you're undergraduates. Spends a little more time trying to 2:34:34.480 --> 2:34:35.199 hide it, James. 2:34:35.040 --> 2:34:37.320 Most of them a smart enough to to like had 2:34:37.360 --> 2:34:39.200 it a little bit so that you can't put prompt 2:34:39.200 --> 2:34:42.080 into chat GPT and find it. Yeah, so that my 2:34:42.120 --> 2:34:43.360 lowest effa undergrads. 2:34:44.040 --> 2:34:45.240 I want to give a lot of credit to the 2:34:45.240 --> 2:34:47.880 economist James Sarah reci who's the guy who figured out 2:34:48.080 --> 2:34:52.000 their formula. So their formula, and this is drawing for something, 2:34:52.160 --> 2:34:56.520 I mean I saw it from from James first. But like, 2:34:56.760 --> 2:34:59.400 so their formula is literally just you take a country's 2:34:59.400 --> 2:35:01.920 trade depisity with the US. And it's also important to 2:35:01.920 --> 2:35:06.640 note here that they're not counting services. They're only counting goods, right. 2:35:06.600 --> 2:35:09.840 And again, if you're if you're missing the products and 2:35:09.959 --> 2:35:12.280 just getting in services, that's half the economy as I 2:35:12.360 --> 2:35:12.920 understand it. 2:35:13.040 --> 2:35:18.160 Yeah, yeah, especially provides an enormous number of services. You know, 2:35:18.200 --> 2:35:20.200 But these people are fucking fascists, and so they don't 2:35:20.200 --> 2:35:22.800 they don't think that like services are fucking real, right, 2:35:22.840 --> 2:35:25.000 It's it's the same ideology that undergirds the whole thing 2:35:25.040 --> 2:35:27.680 about like service workers not being fucking real works. 2:35:27.720 --> 2:35:30.360 Literally, the only real job is that one video of 2:35:30.400 --> 2:35:32.119 a guy wrestling with an oil Derek. 2:35:32.280 --> 2:35:33.000 Yes, that is the. 2:35:32.959 --> 2:35:37.240 Only that is the manager just doing that for the 2:35:37.320 --> 2:35:38.760 video and was doing it very wrong. 2:35:38.800 --> 2:35:39.240 You've got to. 2:35:41.560 --> 2:35:44.480 Take some pieces of metal, move them around to where 2:35:44.480 --> 2:35:45.320 they're not supposed to go. 2:35:45.760 --> 2:35:49.640 That's that's when you're a real labor, labor that's working. 2:35:49.959 --> 2:35:52.640 Only jobs are things where you wear safety toe boots and. 2:35:52.640 --> 2:35:54.480 Well and and and that's and that's the thing they'll 2:35:54.520 --> 2:35:57.200 learn because like their image of the world is is 2:35:57.240 --> 2:35:59.400 the fascist image of the world, and the fascist image 2:35:59.400 --> 2:36:02.840 of the world, like labor is just masculinity. Yeah, and 2:36:02.920 --> 2:36:04.680 that's like that's why they're fucking doing it like this, 2:36:04.840 --> 2:36:07.240 and so you know, and so so the fascists have 2:36:07.320 --> 2:36:11.120 asked chat GPT how to do tariffs, and what they 2:36:11.200 --> 2:36:13.039 got is again, so do they take the country's trade 2:36:13.040 --> 2:36:16.640 deficit and divide it by their total exports in the US? Now, 2:36:16.800 --> 2:36:19.680 this is nothing, right, like in economic terms. 2:36:19.480 --> 2:36:20.760 No, that's not how you do anything. 2:36:20.840 --> 2:36:22.320 This is this is not a real thing like this 2:36:22.360 --> 2:36:24.840 is this is like trying to measure someone's height by 2:36:24.959 --> 2:36:27.480 like dividing their favorite number by the average radius of 2:36:27.480 --> 2:36:30.160 an apple. Like it's literally at. 2:36:30.120 --> 2:36:32.280 You know, what are we what are you coming after me? 2:36:32.320 --> 2:36:32.480 Here? 2:36:33.959 --> 2:36:34.160 Look? 2:36:34.240 --> 2:36:37.199 Just because I'm imagining so differently, Okay. 2:36:37.200 --> 2:36:40.359 There is no scientific basis, Robert for for for measuring 2:36:40.440 --> 2:36:43.279 height by dividing favorite number by apple radius. We simply 2:36:43.360 --> 2:36:44.720 must accept the truth of science. 2:36:44.840 --> 2:36:47.280 That's what you say, Joe Rogan, and I feel it differently. 2:36:48.720 --> 2:36:52.640 The dictatorship of chat GPT is just it's so bleak. 2:36:52.879 --> 2:36:55.840 Yeah, yeah, it's just they they ask chat GPT. 2:36:56.160 --> 2:36:58.280 It's a mix of they don't actually care or think 2:36:58.320 --> 2:37:01.400 this will affect them, and also they legitimately think it's 2:37:01.440 --> 2:37:04.760 the smartest person in the world. Yeah yeah, it's smarter 2:37:04.879 --> 2:37:09.120 than them. Yeah, which is maybe a good thing, but 2:37:09.200 --> 2:37:10.080 not in this instant. 2:37:11.200 --> 2:37:13.720 Well, and you can tell the extent to which they 2:37:13.720 --> 2:37:15.920 were relying on this and didn't calculate themselves, because so 2:37:16.120 --> 2:37:18.720 after it started to spread that this is just how 2:37:18.760 --> 2:37:21.320 they were doing it, After James Turoreki like calculated it, 2:37:21.640 --> 2:37:23.680 the White House said no, no, no, no, no, hold on, no, no, no, 2:37:23.920 --> 2:37:26.920 that's not right. We use an actual complex formula, and 2:37:27.000 --> 2:37:29.720 so they released a fake formula. But I think about 2:37:29.720 --> 2:37:32.680 the formula, right, is it? The formula is just It 2:37:32.760 --> 2:37:36.039 is literally just trade deficit divided by total exports. But 2:37:36.040 --> 2:37:39.400 they threw in two random variables as Greek letters. But 2:37:39.480 --> 2:37:40.800 there's one on the top, and there's one of the 2:37:40.840 --> 2:37:42.959 numerator one of these denominator, and they're the same, so 2:37:43.000 --> 2:37:43.840 they can sell each other out. 2:37:44.040 --> 2:37:44.720 That sounds right to me. 2:37:45.200 --> 2:37:47.320 That's how you know they're smart. It's because they're using 2:37:47.480 --> 2:37:48.480 Greek letters. 2:37:49.360 --> 2:37:49.600 Yep. 2:37:51.120 --> 2:37:53.800 Which Greek letters did they use? And which person's fraternity 2:37:53.879 --> 2:37:54.640 does it represent? 2:37:54.879 --> 2:37:57.879 I don't even speak Greek letters, so they are They 2:37:57.959 --> 2:37:59.959 must be smarter than me, you know what. I rescind 2:38:00.120 --> 2:38:00.800 my complaints. 2:38:02.000 --> 2:38:04.880 This This is how the economy dies, not through tragedy 2:38:04.920 --> 2:38:05.560 but through farce. 2:38:06.120 --> 2:38:08.320 It's both. 2:38:08.400 --> 2:38:10.760 Yeah, tragic fuss, I think is what Marx cold it. 2:38:10.959 --> 2:38:13.440 A lot of people are gonna die, you know, And 2:38:13.480 --> 2:38:14.039 I mean, like, like. 2:38:14.000 --> 2:38:16.200 My actual serious line on this is that this is 2:38:16.280 --> 2:38:18.560 the great double bind of capitalism, is that we are 2:38:18.560 --> 2:38:22.160 all reliant simultaneously, We are reliant for our survival on 2:38:22.160 --> 2:38:24.160 the same economy that will make us all homeless, right 2:38:24.280 --> 2:38:26.720 is the same economy that we need to fucking eat 2:38:26.800 --> 2:38:29.760 every single day, that even in good times, this economy 2:38:29.760 --> 2:38:31.560 fucking strips from us the value of the labor we 2:38:31.600 --> 2:38:33.840 produce and hands us back a bunch of fucking scraps 2:38:33.840 --> 2:38:37.000 that pay for not enough of anything that we need. 2:38:37.920 --> 2:38:40.920 So even as our enemies, you know, terror part the 2:38:40.959 --> 2:38:43.320 system that exploits us, we are the fucking ones who's 2:38:43.360 --> 2:38:47.080 going to suffer. Deoliberalism finally has in Trump produced its 2:38:47.080 --> 2:38:49.360 own grave digger, And our fucking job and the job 2:38:49.400 --> 2:38:51.240 of every single one of us and every single person 2:38:51.280 --> 2:38:53.760 listening to this show is to make sure that we 2:38:53.879 --> 2:38:56.520 also aren't the ones thrown into this fucking grave. And 2:38:56.600 --> 2:38:59.640 this is going to require a kind of organizing that 2:38:59.800 --> 2:39:02.080 is in some ways like but in some ways unlike 2:39:02.120 --> 2:39:05.160 anything we've done before. We're about to experience a level 2:39:05.320 --> 2:39:09.800 of unbelievable economic chaos that we sort of saw dream 2:39:09.840 --> 2:39:12.240 twenty twenty. But during twenty twenty there was, you know, 2:39:12.320 --> 2:39:16.000 as bad as everything got, the state stepped in and 2:39:16.040 --> 2:39:18.560 decided to do welfare reforms, right like, they gave people 2:39:18.600 --> 2:39:20.680 a bunch of fucking money. Yeah, and it wasn't enough, 2:39:21.000 --> 2:39:23.720 but they did it now, none of that shit. He 2:39:23.800 --> 2:39:25.119 are the only people who are going to be able 2:39:25.120 --> 2:39:28.039 to keep each other alive. And that's what we have 2:39:28.080 --> 2:39:29.200 to be doing right now, is we have to be 2:39:29.280 --> 2:39:32.240 keeping each other alive until we are organized enough and 2:39:32.240 --> 2:39:34.200 we are powerful enough to fucking run these people out 2:39:34.240 --> 2:39:36.120 so they can't ever fuck us again like this, So. 2:39:36.240 --> 2:39:41.080 We can resurrect neoliberal globalism, we can restore free trade, that's. 2:39:41.040 --> 2:39:43.800 Right, that's right, and bring it back to the Clinton era. 2:39:44.200 --> 2:39:44.920 Oh god. 2:39:45.480 --> 2:39:47.000 One last thing we should mention is that like this 2:39:47.040 --> 2:39:51.080 has already united the entire world against us effectively, people 2:39:51.240 --> 2:39:53.800 countries who have never worked together before in their entire 2:39:53.840 --> 2:39:55.400 existence are working together. 2:39:55.520 --> 2:40:00.480 And unfortunately, Poles also show Americans can distrust or tendency 2:40:00.520 --> 2:40:04.560 to view like Canadians and the EU as enemies is rising, 2:40:04.600 --> 2:40:07.920 both for Republicans and Democrats. Yeah, so that's great. 2:40:07.800 --> 2:40:10.000 That's great, cool, cool, cool, cool cul cuck cool. 2:40:10.640 --> 2:40:12.720 Yeah. And also, you know, and like the thing, the thing, 2:40:12.800 --> 2:40:14.280 the other thing that we have to do here, and 2:40:14.280 --> 2:40:16.680 this is this is literally our responsibility on this podcast 2:40:16.720 --> 2:40:19.240 and also responsibility of like fucking everyone who is having 2:40:19.280 --> 2:40:22.760 conversations with another person, is that this is entirely Trump's fault. 2:40:23.080 --> 2:40:25.720 He fucking did this, Like, oh yeah, this is not 2:40:25.959 --> 2:40:28.840 fucking the EU or whatever the fuck whoever's during retalitary show. 2:40:28.920 --> 2:40:31.320 Yeah, this is this is no one else ever wanted this. 2:40:32.320 --> 2:40:35.320 Yeah yeah, no, like the people who put Trump in 2:40:35.440 --> 2:40:40.880 power didn't want this. This is just him and so yeah, 2:40:41.000 --> 2:40:44.560 the the the actual solution to this is all of 2:40:44.640 --> 2:40:47.640 us running this fucker out and not us getting drawn 2:40:47.680 --> 2:40:51.760 into his fucking bullshit wars with Canada or Greenland or 2:40:51.760 --> 2:40:54.440 whatever the fuck country he decides to invade in the 2:40:54.480 --> 2:41:00.680 next year. Is that all for tariff talk? Yeah, that's 2:41:00.680 --> 2:41:01.560 all we got on the terrace. 2:41:01.680 --> 2:41:03.400 I don't know what else to say. I mean, I 2:41:03.400 --> 2:41:06.800 I'm just looking at the numbers right now where the 2:41:06.840 --> 2:41:10.120 Dow Industrial is down a fifteen hundred points since the 2:41:10.120 --> 2:41:13.600 start of the day, So it's things are looking very 2:41:13.640 --> 2:41:17.119 good all of the lines. Like if you look at 2:41:17.160 --> 2:41:19.959 the way in which the line went down, there's like 2:41:21.240 --> 2:41:24.640 it's just this direct vertical drop on the third Yep, 2:41:25.240 --> 2:41:26.359 it's shocking. 2:41:26.680 --> 2:41:28.199 No, it is a ninety degree angle. 2:41:28.480 --> 2:41:31.880 It is legitimately, if you set the Google stock viewer 2:41:31.920 --> 2:41:34.440 thing to a one day view, the drop is so 2:41:34.560 --> 2:41:36.560 shocking that it looks like it just started down. 2:41:36.720 --> 2:41:40.040 Yeah, it prompts you to turn your phone into other direction. 2:41:40.280 --> 2:41:42.120 I've never seen anything like it, but I guess no 2:41:42.160 --> 2:41:42.800 one has. 2:41:43.080 --> 2:41:45.760 Yeah, no, I mean some of us. I guess people 2:41:45.760 --> 2:41:49.560 are still alive in the nineteen thirties. Yeah, yes, ye, 2:41:50.720 --> 2:41:51.720 Woody Guthrie. 2:41:51.480 --> 2:41:53.840 Has fucking grammar. I guess, like. 2:41:55.840 --> 2:41:58.760 Yeah, it's great. We did it in the nineteen thirties. 2:41:58.800 --> 2:42:01.360 It was bad then and dates bad now. 2:42:01.720 --> 2:42:04.520 Well, now now that we got those pesky tariffs out 2:42:04.520 --> 2:42:07.160 of the way, let's talk about the actual most important 2:42:07.160 --> 2:42:09.279 thing to happen this week in the news, New Jersey 2:42:09.280 --> 2:42:14.600 Senator Cory Booker has broken the record for the longest. 2:42:15.160 --> 2:42:17.480 Twenty five hours in five minutes. 2:42:17.560 --> 2:42:19.080 Yeah, that's horrible, beating. 2:42:18.760 --> 2:42:23.000 Strom Thurmon's filibuster of the nineteen fifty seven Civil Rights 2:42:23.000 --> 2:42:25.199 Bill by forty six minutes. 2:42:25.640 --> 2:42:30.520 We did it, volks, excellent, outstanding. 2:42:30.520 --> 2:42:32.640 Good. I'm just checking on ah Wall Street bets and 2:42:32.640 --> 2:42:33.920 they're having a real one today. 2:42:34.040 --> 2:42:34.840 That's pretty. 2:42:36.160 --> 2:42:36.840 I will say. 2:42:36.920 --> 2:42:39.560 I will say the thing about the Booker won. So 2:42:39.800 --> 2:42:42.640 if you were writing a parody of the Democratic Party, 2:42:43.120 --> 2:42:45.840 you would write that Corey Booker did this, and like 2:42:45.920 --> 2:42:48.640 did the did this philibuster and then immediately turned around 2:42:48.640 --> 2:42:50.800 and voted yes for a cloture vote to allow Trump 2:42:50.840 --> 2:42:56.000 to appoint another nominee. And that's exactly what they did. Yeah, 2:42:56.080 --> 2:42:58.680 we can't even you can't peroy to them. It's beyond parody. 2:42:58.720 --> 2:43:01.279 I like astounding, it's astonishing. 2:43:01.320 --> 2:43:03.520 It's not even a filibuster. He's not filibuster or anything. 2:43:04.200 --> 2:43:07.080 We didn't he didn't actively stop anything happening other than 2:43:07.080 --> 2:43:08.240 people not paying attention to it. 2:43:09.160 --> 2:43:11.000 I got a response from someone being like, well, you know, 2:43:11.000 --> 2:43:12.680 they didn't get to do anything on Monday, and I 2:43:12.720 --> 2:43:15.360 was like, yeah, they weren't really planning on it, and 2:43:15.560 --> 2:43:17.840 things continued as normal Tuesday. 2:43:18.520 --> 2:43:21.480 Yeah. Yeah, And you know, and here's the thing about that, right, like, 2:43:21.760 --> 2:43:24.160 do you know how many Democrats there are in the Senate? 2:43:24.800 --> 2:43:27.039 Do you know how many hours you could filibuster them 2:43:27.080 --> 2:43:29.440 for if you were actually determined to fucking do this, 2:43:29.480 --> 2:43:31.720 and on how many different things? We had a rotating 2:43:31.840 --> 2:43:33.119 series of Democrats. 2:43:33.400 --> 2:43:35.039 Yeah, show it if you tag teamed it. 2:43:35.200 --> 2:43:37.640 Yeah, but they're not They're not willing to fucking do it. 2:43:37.680 --> 2:43:40.480 No, and they'd be stopped eventually. The Republicans would do 2:43:40.560 --> 2:43:42.920 something fucked up to stop it. But at least you'd 2:43:42.920 --> 2:43:43.840 have tried. 2:43:43.840 --> 2:43:46.840 Yeah, yeah, and people would maybe take some fucking energy 2:43:46.879 --> 2:43:47.160 from that. 2:43:47.760 --> 2:43:49.800 And even if you were gonna do this as a 2:43:49.840 --> 2:43:52.240 fucking show vote thing, you could have voted no one 2:43:52.280 --> 2:43:55.959 the cloture motion to like fucking do the to like 2:43:56.000 --> 2:43:57.960 appoint the next nominee. But they're just like no, fuck 2:43:57.959 --> 2:43:58.240 you man. 2:43:58.520 --> 2:44:01.680 The fact that Chuck Schumber caved on the Republican budget 2:44:01.680 --> 2:44:04.000 from a few weeks ago and secretly got a number 2:44:04.000 --> 2:44:06.680 of Democratic senators to switch their votes to make it pass, 2:44:07.320 --> 2:44:10.560 and no one did this for that which which previously 2:44:10.640 --> 2:44:12.920 Democrats were talking about this budget bill like it's the 2:44:12.920 --> 2:44:14.600 worst thing to ever happen because it is. 2:44:14.600 --> 2:44:17.000 A bad bill. Yeah, it's really bad. 2:44:17.360 --> 2:44:20.279 And then they just caved last minute, or specifically Schumer 2:44:20.320 --> 2:44:23.160 and the people he talked to caved, and Schumer definitely 2:44:23.200 --> 2:44:25.320 would not have been in supportive of Booker doing something 2:44:25.360 --> 2:44:28.280 like this for that bill. But now Schumer gets to 2:44:28.320 --> 2:44:32.480 applaud along as as Booker delivers a twenty five hour 2:44:32.600 --> 2:44:35.000 maybe like well orated speech. 2:44:34.720 --> 2:44:38.320 But it was a very well written speech, like technically 2:44:38.400 --> 2:44:40.000 it was good, but that didn't matter. 2:44:40.560 --> 2:44:43.320 It's just this pure show of like symbolic theater. 2:44:43.440 --> 2:44:44.960 Yeah, what's the point. 2:44:45.120 --> 2:44:48.519 It's like if a congress person got out and conducted 2:44:48.560 --> 2:44:53.360 like a perfect rendition of the Nutcracker like symphony of 2:44:53.400 --> 2:44:55.520 like the ballet portion of that on their own in 2:44:55.520 --> 2:44:58.480 front of like the Capitol building. Like, well, it's impressive, 2:44:58.560 --> 2:45:01.440 it's spectacle. Like you're clearly very good at what you're doing. 2:45:01.520 --> 2:45:04.199 But it didn't change anything, Like it had no impact 2:45:04.480 --> 2:45:09.560 on the problems. Right, Yeah, like you're good. I'll give 2:45:09.560 --> 2:45:12.280 you that. Corey Booker can deliver a fucking speech, but 2:45:12.840 --> 2:45:14.760 that was really not what I was looking for. 2:45:15.160 --> 2:45:19.440 Yeah, fiddling impressively while roam burned. Thanks Corey. 2:45:20.879 --> 2:45:23.240 Yeah, and every single moment the Trump is in power, 2:45:23.320 --> 2:45:27.080 the way that they fucking just rolled over for him 2:45:27.120 --> 2:45:28.080 looks worse and worse. 2:45:28.320 --> 2:45:33.280 Knowledge he said, I failed, and so did we. We 2:45:33.320 --> 2:45:36.040 didn't rise to the moment, and we let this horrible 2:45:36.080 --> 2:45:39.240 thing happen, which I even I got a little briefly, 2:45:39.480 --> 2:45:41.840 Oh shit, maybe he actually recognizes like. 2:45:41.959 --> 2:45:44.600 No, okay, well, because it took him like twenty hours 2:45:44.640 --> 2:45:47.280 to like break emotionally to the point where he could 2:45:47.280 --> 2:45:48.920 like admit that to himself. 2:45:48.959 --> 2:45:51.520 No knowledge, his deep, deep deep failed. 2:45:51.600 --> 2:45:51.800 Yeah. 2:45:51.879 --> 2:45:54.320 Yeah, but like it took having your brain be be 2:45:54.440 --> 2:45:58.160 shattered by this like pretty impressive physical act that like 2:45:58.320 --> 2:46:02.480 destroys your body. So in spirit and anyway, I think 2:46:02.480 --> 2:46:04.680 that's all we have to say about that. Let's go 2:46:04.800 --> 2:46:07.119 on and add break and come back to discuss more 2:46:08.240 --> 2:46:13.320 sad and I'll actually also possibly good news or at 2:46:13.400 --> 2:46:23.360 least bad for Elon Musk, which is good for us. 2:46:27.680 --> 2:46:28.760 All Right, we are back. 2:46:29.400 --> 2:46:33.199 I think let's pivot to James Stout for an update 2:46:33.480 --> 2:46:42.480 on Venezuela. Well, no El Salvador, Salvador the torture labor prison. 2:46:43.120 --> 2:46:44.280 James m M. 2:46:44.400 --> 2:46:46.879 Of course, we have to begin my segment today by saying, 2:46:47.680 --> 2:46:50.800 tros be to Abdullah Ojulen, whose birthday it is on 2:46:50.840 --> 2:46:52.840 the day that you are hearing this. So if you 2:46:52.840 --> 2:46:54.480 want to plant, if you want to plant a tree 2:46:54.520 --> 2:46:58.439 for APPO, get it, get out there and plant your tree. Unfortunately, 2:46:58.440 --> 2:47:00.680 that is the only good news we have to Border 2:47:00.680 --> 2:47:03.680 Patrol has spent most of this week touting the quote 2:47:03.680 --> 2:47:06.520 lowest number of border crossings in history. It will shock 2:47:06.600 --> 2:47:09.840 listeners to hear that this is not historically accurate. Bordering 2:47:09.920 --> 2:47:13.120 counters are way down. If there's one thing that I 2:47:13.160 --> 2:47:16.119 have ever taught you. It is that bordering counters are 2:47:16.160 --> 2:47:19.040 not the same as unique individuals, because people are being 2:47:19.080 --> 2:47:21.879 sent directly back to Mexico and will tend to return 2:47:22.480 --> 2:47:24.960 attempting a different route crossing the border. Right, there's our 2:47:25.000 --> 2:47:28.640 way down. And they're the lowest since they began publishing 2:47:28.640 --> 2:47:31.600 monthly data in two thousand, but numbers will way lower 2:47:31.640 --> 2:47:35.560 in the fifties and sixties and before then. It's relatively immaterial. 2:47:35.680 --> 2:47:39.000 It's just sort of a nipiggy point. I guess today, 2:47:39.040 --> 2:47:41.000 what I really want to talk about is the case 2:47:41.000 --> 2:47:46.560 of mister Kilmar Abrador Garcia. He was removed by the 2:47:46.560 --> 2:47:50.000 Trump administration to Elsa aberdoor to SECOT in a way 2:47:50.080 --> 2:47:52.880 they have admitted was a mistake. So we have to 2:47:52.920 --> 2:47:55.480 go back a little bit to understand mister Abergo Garcia's 2:47:55.520 --> 2:47:58.440 story and how we got here. He was arrested in 2:47:58.480 --> 2:48:00.720 mid March due to the United States mcclaimed that he 2:48:00.760 --> 2:48:04.480 played a quote prominent role in MS thirteen M thirteen 2:48:04.600 --> 2:48:07.560 being the Salvadorrean gang. Right he'd come to the United 2:48:07.600 --> 2:48:10.720 States in twenty eleven. He was fleeing gang violence. He 2:48:10.840 --> 2:48:15.039 was allegedly arrested in twenty nineteen outside a home depot 2:48:15.040 --> 2:48:18.440 where he was standing with other men looking for work. However, 2:48:18.520 --> 2:48:22.520 the incident report for that particular incident gives other names, 2:48:22.600 --> 2:48:27.680 but not his. At that point, a Prince George's County 2:48:27.680 --> 2:48:31.840 Police Department detective filled out a quote gang worksheet and 2:48:31.920 --> 2:48:35.480 claimed that mister Abergagarcia was associated with a member of 2:48:35.720 --> 2:48:38.280 MS thirteen. The evidence he cited for this was a 2:48:38.360 --> 2:48:43.119 Chicago bulls hoodie and the claim of a confidential informant. 2:48:43.200 --> 2:48:45.400 The competition informant claimed that he was part of a 2:48:46.320 --> 2:48:49.360 group within this gang that was set up in a 2:48:49.360 --> 2:48:53.640 state that mister Abergagarcia had never lived in the United States. 2:48:53.640 --> 2:48:58.280 In twenty nineteen, Ice argued that he shouldn't be given 2:48:58.480 --> 2:49:01.920 bond because of this alleged gang membership right, and so 2:49:02.000 --> 2:49:05.320 he wasn't given bond, but through an asylum claim. Although 2:49:05.320 --> 2:49:09.080 he didn't get asylum, he was protected from removal right, 2:49:09.120 --> 2:49:11.119 so a judge ruled that he couldn't be removed back 2:49:11.160 --> 2:49:15.400 to El Salvador, where he would presumably face violence. When 2:49:15.720 --> 2:49:19.720 mister abergo Garcia's lawyers tried to interview the police detective 2:49:19.760 --> 2:49:22.320 who had filed this report, accusing him of gang membership. 2:49:22.720 --> 2:49:24.680 They found no record of his rest and that the 2:49:24.720 --> 2:49:28.000 detective has been suspended since then. The Department of question 2:49:28.080 --> 2:49:30.760 also settled a lawsuit with its own corps over racism 2:49:30.800 --> 2:49:31.400 in the department. 2:49:32.040 --> 2:49:32.320 JD. 2:49:32.560 --> 2:49:36.240 Vance, who has a law degree. Right the JD is 2:49:36.320 --> 2:49:38.720 I guess before and after his name. He has a 2:49:38.760 --> 2:49:41.480 law degree from Harvard has claimed that mister Ablergo Garcia 2:49:41.560 --> 2:49:44.240 is a convicted member of MS thirteen. This is not true. 2:49:44.640 --> 2:49:46.880 I can't find any evidence he has any conviction of 2:49:46.920 --> 2:49:49.800 any kind. I'm going to quote here from a filing 2:49:49.800 --> 2:49:52.600 by the United States government on the fifteenth of March. 2:49:52.680 --> 2:49:55.400 Although Ice was aware of his protection from removal to 2:49:55.400 --> 2:49:59.360 El Salvador, Abergo Garcia was removed to El Salvador because 2:49:59.400 --> 2:50:02.880 of an admis innstrative error. So the government there has 2:50:02.879 --> 2:50:05.760 admitted in the court finally that they accidentally sent this 2:50:05.840 --> 2:50:09.240 guide to the prison labor camp in El Salvador. Right, 2:50:09.800 --> 2:50:14.440 according to ice acting field Officer Robert Cerner quote, he 2:50:14.560 --> 2:50:17.160 was an alternate as others were removed from the flight 2:50:17.200 --> 2:50:19.720 for various reasons. He moved up the list and was 2:50:19.760 --> 2:50:22.400 assigned to the flight. So it appears that they had 2:50:22.440 --> 2:50:25.160 a large list of people they wanted to put on 2:50:25.240 --> 2:50:28.280 this flight. This is interesting, right, It's an insight into 2:50:28.320 --> 2:50:31.160 their process for filling that first flight that they some 2:50:31.240 --> 2:50:33.480 people they really didn't feel they had enough evidence for. 2:50:33.720 --> 2:50:36.280 But somehow this guy, who again has never been convicted 2:50:36.560 --> 2:50:39.800 of having any membership of any gang, they put on 2:50:40.240 --> 2:50:43.840 this flight. Right. His wife and child are both US citizens, 2:50:44.360 --> 2:50:47.119 and they have sued in court. That's why we're seeing this. Right. 2:50:47.120 --> 2:50:50.280 They've sued for the United States government to stop paying 2:50:50.760 --> 2:50:53.280 El Salvador for his detention and for the United States 2:50:53.320 --> 2:50:58.400 government to demand he returned. Vance has advanced a kind 2:50:58.400 --> 2:51:02.440 of unique legal theory response, claiming that withholding of removal 2:51:02.480 --> 2:51:04.840 only prevent someone being deported back to the home state. 2:51:05.360 --> 2:51:09.720 I mean you could, technically that is what the withholding is, right, Like, 2:51:09.760 --> 2:51:11.640 it's like, he can't go back to El Salvador because 2:51:11.640 --> 2:51:14.280 he will be at risk in El Salvador, so so 2:51:14.400 --> 2:51:16.600 they can deport him to a third state. But they 2:51:16.640 --> 2:51:20.480 deported him to El Salvador or renditioned him to El Salvador. Right. 2:51:20.920 --> 2:51:24.080 I want to read JD. Vance's post here. I'm not 2:51:24.120 --> 2:51:25.640 going to read the whole thing, but I'll start with 2:51:25.720 --> 2:51:29.400 the second paragraph in twenty nineteen. Immigration judge parentheses under 2:51:29.440 --> 2:51:32.480 the Biden administration. For those of you who are familiar 2:51:32.520 --> 2:51:37.600 with dates, it's twenty nineteen. Was under the first Trump administration. 2:51:37.680 --> 2:51:42.080 That that was the Strong administration. Yeah, moving on, determined 2:51:42.080 --> 2:51:44.520 that the deported man was, in fact a member of 2:51:44.560 --> 2:51:47.520 the MS thirteen gang. He also apparently had multiple traffic 2:51:47.600 --> 2:51:50.039 violations for which he failed to appear in court. A 2:51:50.120 --> 2:51:53.440 real winner. It is telling that the entire American media 2:51:53.480 --> 2:51:56.120 is going to run a propaganda operation today making you 2:51:56.160 --> 2:51:59.320 think that an innocent quote father of three was apprehended 2:51:59.360 --> 2:52:00.840 by a gula father. 2:52:00.640 --> 2:52:02.879 Of threes in quotes here by the way. 2:52:03.080 --> 2:52:07.039 Yeah, yeah, And gulags generally not capable of doing the 2:52:07.040 --> 2:52:10.000 apprehensions themselves. If we think of a gulag as a place, 2:52:11.000 --> 2:52:13.400 is the police who are apprehend the person send them 2:52:13.400 --> 2:52:16.600 to the gulag. Moving on, here are the relevant facts. 2:52:16.640 --> 2:52:19.400 I'm still quoting. The man is an illegal immigrant with 2:52:19.440 --> 2:52:21.920 no right to be in our country. Obviously, the judge 2:52:22.040 --> 2:52:25.640 determined that he was protected from removal. Quoting again, and 2:52:25.720 --> 2:52:28.160 immigration judge during the Biden I've been determined he was 2:52:28.200 --> 2:52:32.000 a member of the MS thirteen gang. Again, that's not 2:52:32.080 --> 2:52:32.800 the case. 2:52:32.680 --> 2:52:34.720 It's staggering the extent to which they can say a 2:52:34.720 --> 2:52:38.480 sentence where every single individual word is a lie, like stunning. 2:52:38.760 --> 2:52:39.400 Yeah. Yeah. 2:52:39.480 --> 2:52:42.240 The fact that so many members of the Modern Republican 2:52:42.440 --> 2:52:45.600 Party have like memory hold twenty nineteen and twenty twenty 2:52:45.600 --> 2:52:49.240 as being under the Biden in administration is just insane. 2:52:49.480 --> 2:52:51.480 Yeah, it's bizarre. I think what they're referring to is 2:52:51.480 --> 2:52:54.240 that the initial hearing right where he was denied bomb 2:52:54.280 --> 2:52:56.640 within twenty nineteen, and then he filed his asylum claim 2:52:56.680 --> 2:52:59.840 and later was protected from removal. But that's not what 2:53:00.160 --> 2:53:00.760 saying here. 2:53:00.879 --> 2:53:03.560 But like even the way they talk about, like the 2:53:03.600 --> 2:53:08.400 COVID response, they talk about it as if Joe Biden 2:53:08.480 --> 2:53:09.039 was the president. 2:53:09.120 --> 2:53:12.160 They're not gonna lock us down again, but you locked 2:53:12.240 --> 2:53:12.760 us down? 2:53:13.440 --> 2:53:16.120 Yeah, who did that? And then the last one, I 2:53:16.120 --> 2:53:18.520 think it's most rebelatory because he's not a citizen, he 2:53:18.560 --> 2:53:20.760 does not get full jury trial by peers. In other words, 2:53:20.840 --> 2:53:23.800 whatever due process he was entitled to he received, the 2:53:23.840 --> 2:53:26.920 immigration court doesn't generally present the opportunity for jury trial. 2:53:27.080 --> 2:53:30.440 Right once again, holds a JdE and he presumably knows this. 2:53:31.440 --> 2:53:34.360 What's more disturbing is the claim made by the United 2:53:34.400 --> 2:53:37.320 States government in its filing in this lawsuit that the 2:53:37.360 --> 2:53:42.720 Abergo Garcia family filed quote, because plaintiffs conceived that Abergogarcia 2:53:42.800 --> 2:53:45.800 is not in the United States custody, this court cannot 2:53:45.840 --> 2:53:49.120 hear these claims. So they're claiming that no US court 2:53:49.400 --> 2:53:52.800 has jurisdiction over the question of these people who are 2:53:52.800 --> 2:53:57.720 in El Salvador because they're not in US custody, right, which, obviously, 2:53:57.800 --> 2:54:00.360 if they stick the landing on this, it suggests like 2:54:00.360 --> 2:54:02.920 it is a one way ticket to the prison labor camp, 2:54:03.040 --> 2:54:05.640 right that that you cannot challenge that in US court 2:54:06.120 --> 2:54:07.880 and you ain't going to get very far in in 2:54:08.360 --> 2:54:11.760 court elsauwud all right, So what they're suggesting here is 2:54:11.800 --> 2:54:14.600 this is this is a forever detention that that there 2:54:14.640 --> 2:54:17.119 is no habeas right that that was they were asking 2:54:17.160 --> 2:54:18.040 for habeas corpus. 2:54:18.120 --> 2:54:20.680 Can you spen my habest corpus actually is for the listeners. 2:54:21.160 --> 2:54:23.800 Yeah, it means bring me the body, right in this 2:54:23.840 --> 2:54:24.440 case is. 2:54:24.440 --> 2:54:29.279 Yeah, you have to present evidence in order to charge 2:54:29.360 --> 2:54:30.600 like convict people and things. 2:54:30.640 --> 2:54:33.960 Yeah, it's like the snaqua non of having a justice system, 2:54:34.000 --> 2:54:38.119 a criminal justice right, like show something. Yeah, you can't 2:54:38.160 --> 2:54:40.160 just be like bad man and then put the guy 2:54:40.200 --> 2:54:40.640 in jail. 2:54:41.040 --> 2:54:43.240 The most basic thing is that like, yeah, I mean 2:54:43.240 --> 2:54:45.080 in literal terms, it means you have to like actually 2:54:45.080 --> 2:54:47.120 take somebody in front of a court in order to 2:54:47.120 --> 2:54:50.280 determine if they're like being detained for a reason, right, 2:54:50.360 --> 2:54:52.680 Like a judge has to see them and say, like, yes, 2:54:53.240 --> 2:54:55.920 this is this is not an unlawful imprisonment. There is 2:54:55.959 --> 2:54:59.279 a charge, there is some degree of evidence that somebody 2:54:59.320 --> 2:55:00.320 did something. 2:55:00.440 --> 2:55:02.920 Right, which they have not provided here, right. 2:55:03.360 --> 2:55:05.320 Not that like you can prove they did it, but 2:55:05.400 --> 2:55:08.160 like something was done and you are here for that 2:55:08.320 --> 2:55:09.000 for a reason. 2:55:09.600 --> 2:55:13.520 Yeah, yeah, so in this case, we don't have any 2:55:13.560 --> 2:55:17.400 of that. Mister Ablogacia is still the way his family 2:55:17.440 --> 2:55:19.920 found out he was in second was that his wife 2:55:20.000 --> 2:55:22.520 identified him by scars on his head when they shaved 2:55:22.560 --> 2:55:24.240 it and a tattoo they. 2:55:24.080 --> 2:55:25.439 Saw Jesus Christy. 2:55:25.520 --> 2:55:29.039 Yeah, they had no idea. It presumably doesn't come up 2:55:29.080 --> 2:55:31.320 on the ice detainee locator. You know that you're going 2:55:31.360 --> 2:55:33.440 to look up your family members on if your family 2:55:33.440 --> 2:55:35.880 members are detained by I doesn't have l Salvador as 2:55:35.879 --> 2:55:38.720 an option. So yeah, this is where we're at. This 2:55:39.000 --> 2:55:41.200 is the case I will be following right because I 2:55:41.240 --> 2:55:44.200 say it's pretty pivotal if they can argue that the 2:55:44.200 --> 2:55:47.080 court doesn't have jurisdiction. Obviously, I'm sure at that point 2:55:47.360 --> 2:55:49.280 that ruling will be challenged and it will run up 2:55:49.680 --> 2:55:52.920 the courts. Currently it seems like the only court they're 2:55:52.920 --> 2:55:55.840 going to listen to is a Supreme Court. But evidently 2:55:55.879 --> 2:55:57.720 that this is what they're going for, Like this is 2:55:57.760 --> 2:56:00.320 their argument here that once you're in El Salvador, out 2:56:00.320 --> 2:56:03.520 of their hands and they can't do anything. So sorry, 2:56:03.640 --> 2:56:05.480 even though it's a mistake, you have stuck there forever, 2:56:05.920 --> 2:56:07.160 which is pretty disturbing. 2:56:07.840 --> 2:56:11.600 Yesterday, me and James did an episode on ICE's targeting 2:56:11.760 --> 2:56:17.040 of students, scholars, and professors that they believe are associated 2:56:17.080 --> 2:56:20.480 with pro Palace time protests. So we did an update 2:56:20.520 --> 2:56:23.000 on that story that I did a peace on or 2:56:23.160 --> 2:56:25.840 a segment on last week on Executive Disorder. So for 2:56:25.879 --> 2:56:28.879 a follow up on that, you can look to yesterday's episode. 2:56:28.959 --> 2:56:31.400 But we are going to close with I guess kind 2:56:31.400 --> 2:56:35.280 of a feel good story because it makes Elon Musk sad. 2:56:36.120 --> 2:56:37.959 He has had a bit a bit of a rough 2:56:38.040 --> 2:56:44.520 week for mister Musk's businesses and his political projects. I 2:56:44.560 --> 2:56:48.640 guess Elon Musk's efforts to buy the Wisconsin Supreme Court 2:56:48.800 --> 2:56:53.600 have failed, as the Democratic backed candidate swept the election, 2:56:53.879 --> 2:56:57.760 maintaining four to three Liberal control of the Supreme Court 2:56:58.040 --> 2:56:58.959 of Wisconsin. 2:56:59.400 --> 2:56:59.600 Yeah. 2:56:59.600 --> 2:57:02.440 I mean the gist of it is of like three 2:57:02.520 --> 2:57:05.160 or four days ago, all of my friends from who 2:57:05.200 --> 2:57:09.600 are Scanies got furious because Elon Musk wore a cheesehead, 2:57:10.160 --> 2:57:12.280 you know, like the ones for the packers that the 2:57:12.680 --> 2:57:15.560 people from Wisconsin ware when they're at games while he 2:57:15.600 --> 2:57:19.600 got up on stage and gave a million dollars. Basically 2:57:19.640 --> 2:57:22.800 immediately before, like about little less than a week ago, 2:57:22.959 --> 2:57:26.040 a higher court ruled that it was not bribery for 2:57:26.120 --> 2:57:28.920 him to offer people a million dollars at random if 2:57:28.920 --> 2:57:33.119 they voted or showed up at like you know, different 2:57:33.200 --> 2:57:35.560 rallies and stuff, which is like what he's been doing, right, 2:57:35.720 --> 2:57:39.120 is making these basically fake offers of a million dollars 2:57:39.160 --> 2:57:42.120 because these two went to members of the local Republican party, 2:57:42.240 --> 2:57:43.640 like it was clearly set up. 2:57:44.360 --> 2:57:47.000 The head of the College Republicans. 2:57:46.240 --> 2:57:51.000 Of Wisconsin, amazing must fish twenty five million dollars leads 2:57:51.120 --> 2:57:54.400 on this race. He danced around on stage wearing a cheesehead, 2:57:54.560 --> 2:57:57.600 and he gave out million dollar novelty checks to quote 2:57:57.640 --> 2:58:01.519 unquote voters who won a contest by signing his petition 2:58:01.800 --> 2:58:05.720 against activist judges, which has been the new rally and 2:58:05.760 --> 2:58:07.879 cry on the right is that everything that's going wrong, 2:58:07.920 --> 2:58:10.560 everything that's stopping Trump, is from these active studges that 2:58:10.600 --> 2:58:14.320 we have to unseat. He also gave one hundred dollars 2:58:14.400 --> 2:58:18.240 each to every person who signed that petition, and on 2:58:18.360 --> 2:58:22.520 election Day, Musk offered voters fifty dollars if they posted 2:58:22.520 --> 2:58:25.720 a picture of a Wisconsin resident outside of a polling place. 2:58:26.480 --> 2:58:27.760 How is that allowed? 2:58:28.280 --> 2:58:31.400 These are the same people who scream about like election interference, 2:58:31.480 --> 2:58:36.560 rigging elections, buying elections for the elections, ed like, like 2:58:36.640 --> 2:58:39.200 this is insane stuff. You can go to jail for 2:58:39.240 --> 2:58:43.320 giving people a water bottle in line at polling places 2:58:43.360 --> 2:58:46.840 in multiple states, and Musk is allowed to give people 2:58:46.920 --> 2:58:51.240 fifty dollars for pictures posted outside of polling places. What 2:58:51.280 --> 2:58:56.840 the fuck is happening? But luckily, the negative polarization against 2:58:57.000 --> 2:59:00.320 Musk and Tesla that's been increasing the past few months 2:59:00.600 --> 2:59:04.879 has resulted in Judge SUVN. Crawford beating the mega had 2:59:05.320 --> 2:59:09.640 Republican judge who last year went as Donald Trump for Halloween, 2:59:10.160 --> 2:59:15.240 beating this guy by by ten percent. This was a massive, 2:59:15.480 --> 2:59:19.480 a massive reversal of the twenty twenty four persential election 2:59:19.600 --> 2:59:23.360 results in Wisconsin. There was a record high turnout for 2:59:23.400 --> 2:59:26.600 this spring election, forty percent higher than the last Wisconsin 2:59:26.640 --> 2:59:30.680 Supreme Court election, which was in twenty twenty three, which which. 2:59:30.560 --> 2:59:32.160 By the way, that was that was also a high 2:59:32.160 --> 2:59:33.000 turner election too. 2:59:33.080 --> 2:59:34.640 Yeah yeah, yeah. 2:59:34.240 --> 2:59:36.240 Like that that previous one. Then this one just fucking 2:59:36.240 --> 2:59:37.080 obliterated it. 2:59:37.200 --> 2:59:39.920 Like this was like just under the results of like 2:59:39.959 --> 2:59:42.080 what you would expect to out of like a midterm election. 2:59:42.360 --> 2:59:42.640 Yeah. 2:59:42.800 --> 2:59:43.279 Yeah. 2:59:43.320 --> 2:59:46.879 They shifted every single county in the state blue compared 2:59:46.879 --> 2:59:49.640 to the twenty twenty four presidential election, and on average 2:59:49.640 --> 2:59:54.240 by about ten to twelve points, massive, massive shifts. 2:59:54.440 --> 2:59:56.680 And this was before the tariffs, by the way. Yeah, 2:59:57.120 --> 2:59:59.280 like this this was before the terror. 3:00:00.200 --> 3:00:07.000 No, this was pure personal dislike of Elon musk meddling 3:00:07.080 --> 3:00:10.240 in Wisconsin politics. Well like and everything else has happened 3:00:10.240 --> 3:00:13.680 since January, but like it does seem like Elon Musk's 3:00:13.680 --> 3:00:17.320 personal presence was a net negative and all the money 3:00:17.320 --> 3:00:19.080 he spent Luckily. 3:00:18.760 --> 3:00:22.240 The next day there was a Tesla sales report which 3:00:22.360 --> 3:00:25.480 was one of the worst in the history of their company, 3:00:25.800 --> 3:00:28.800 of fifty percent of fewer vehicles being delivered in the 3:00:28.800 --> 3:00:33.280 first three months compared to last year, with Tesla's stock 3:00:33.920 --> 3:00:37.959 continuing to plunge the past week, although with reports that 3:00:37.959 --> 3:00:41.760 that Musk might exit the inner circle of the Trump administration. Yeah, 3:00:41.840 --> 3:00:44.720 those stocks are kind of flipping back and forth as 3:00:44.720 --> 3:00:46.560 he's expected to return to his company. 3:00:46.760 --> 3:00:48.720 Yeah, yeah, and who know, like a lot of that's 3:00:48.720 --> 3:00:49.800 clearly the tariffs. 3:00:49.840 --> 3:00:52.440 Well yes, and then with the tariffs, this is a 3:00:53.240 --> 3:00:53.760 whole other. 3:00:53.640 --> 3:00:55.400 Issue, real double whammy for Tesla. 3:00:55.520 --> 3:00:58.440 The reporting is that people around Trump have largely soured 3:00:58.440 --> 3:01:01.279 on Musk. Who knows how true that is. There's always 3:01:01.280 --> 3:01:04.080 a lot of reports from the Trump inner circle that are, like, 3:01:04.240 --> 3:01:06.440 I don't know, it's yeah, he's always had a very 3:01:06.520 --> 3:01:10.800 leaky yeah, but and I can see it being multi causal. 3:01:10.920 --> 3:01:14.800 Like Musk has failed badly in Wisconsin. The kind of 3:01:14.840 --> 3:01:17.680 suspicion right now is that Schibble or whatever his name 3:01:17.760 --> 3:01:21.680 is was down about five points relative to other MANGA 3:01:21.720 --> 3:01:25.360 candidates in the same election, which people are attributing largely 3:01:25.400 --> 3:01:26.400 to Musk's intervention. 3:01:27.720 --> 3:01:29.720 Well, and like they were testing out if he was 3:01:29.720 --> 3:01:33.560 like a stable, consistent, reliable political operator, or if what 3:01:33.600 --> 3:01:35.280 he did in twenty twenty four was kind of like 3:01:35.320 --> 3:01:37.800 a one off event, if he's like a one trick 3:01:37.879 --> 3:01:43.320 tony there, and this complete, like devastating loss demonstrated that 3:01:43.360 --> 3:01:48.920 maybe this unstable drug addict no offense to a specifically 3:01:49.440 --> 3:01:52.440 for Elon Musk, who's railing ketemene all the time and 3:01:52.480 --> 3:01:56.200 trying to run the entire world. Luckily, Luckily, my friends 3:01:56.200 --> 3:01:59.320 who might indulge in kedymene don't try to run the 3:01:59.440 --> 3:02:00.000 entire world. 3:02:00.200 --> 3:02:02.560 You say that now, but you'll you'll get older at 3:02:02.560 --> 3:02:03.000 some point. 3:02:03.080 --> 3:02:05.880 It's it's the have midlife crisis too. 3:02:06.120 --> 3:02:08.560 But he was showed in like a very public way 3:02:08.720 --> 3:02:12.360 to be to be like an unstable political force. And 3:02:12.360 --> 3:02:14.160 and yeah, that's going to turn some of some of 3:02:14.200 --> 3:02:16.240 the people in the Trump admins against him. 3:02:16.560 --> 3:02:16.840 Yep. 3:02:17.160 --> 3:02:19.320 Anyway, that's I think that's all I have to say 3:02:19.360 --> 3:02:22.240 about this. Wisconsin, Rightisconsin, Rice, Sorry. 3:02:22.760 --> 3:02:24.840 All right, well I think that's probably an episode. 3:02:25.640 --> 3:02:28.720 Wait shit, hold on, I just I just found the 3:02:28.760 --> 3:02:31.640 funniest fucking thing about this terriff I think I've seen 3:02:31.760 --> 3:02:32.760 yet from fucking. 3:02:32.760 --> 3:02:48.760 Wait, locking Jack JASP, locking, locking, locking JASP. 3:02:50.040 --> 3:02:50.880 Okay, we're back. 3:02:51.120 --> 3:02:54.840 Apparently the tariffs are not broken down by country. This 3:02:54.920 --> 3:02:57.039 is quote from this guy of the effects on Twitter. 3:02:57.080 --> 3:02:59.240 They're not broken down by country, They're broken down by 3:02:59.240 --> 3:03:02.959 top level inn that domain. It's why the island's populated 3:03:03.120 --> 3:03:05.720 entirely by penguins the dot hm domain. And why the 3:03:05.720 --> 3:03:07.240 Diego Garcia military base. 3:03:08.160 --> 3:03:10.600 Yeah yeah, yeah, like fucking McDonald's island. 3:03:10.840 --> 3:03:14.600 Yeah yeah yeah. And why why Renion Gibraltar oliced sid 3:03:14.720 --> 3:03:16.560 when did yeah? 3:03:16.720 --> 3:03:19.280 Like yah? What love Reunion is part of France? Why 3:03:19.280 --> 3:03:25.560 are we hitting these guys? Okay, that makes sense. That 3:03:25.560 --> 3:03:28.360 that that is that that is what a nineteen year 3:03:28.400 --> 3:03:31.840 old who never went to college, my god, but thinks 3:03:31.879 --> 3:03:35.280 he's he understands all of reality would do. Okay, great 3:03:35.560 --> 3:03:41.879 dictatorship of Chad GVT. Fucking phenomenal, My fucking god, unbelievable. 3:03:42.000 --> 3:03:44.120 Look look, okay. The note I want to close on 3:03:44.320 --> 3:03:47.800 is that so podcaster Mike Duncan, the creator of the 3:03:47.800 --> 3:03:50.440 Revolutions podcast, a man who has spent literally tens of 3:03:50.480 --> 3:03:55.920 thousands of hours writing about like every revolution that's ever happened. 3:03:56.480 --> 3:03:59.039 At the end of the original run of the series, revolutions. 3:03:59.080 --> 3:04:02.320 He he makes this point, which is that all revolutions 3:04:02.760 --> 3:04:05.880 work because they encounter you encounter one of the great 3:04:05.879 --> 3:04:08.800 idiots of history, a man who is blessed with with 3:04:08.920 --> 3:04:12.240 the the the inalienable ability to make the wrong decision 3:04:12.280 --> 3:04:15.240 at every single time. And my god, if we can't 3:04:15.320 --> 3:04:18.760 beat these motherfuckers, like if that shit's entirely on us, 3:04:18.800 --> 3:04:20.920 because we have been handed one of the greatest idiots 3:04:20.920 --> 3:04:23.600 of history that has ever existed in the history of humanity. 3:04:24.000 --> 3:04:27.240 And our fucking job now is to turn that into 3:04:27.920 --> 3:04:29.440 fucking a better world, to do. 3:04:29.560 --> 3:04:33.160 Something, yeah, something, Yeah, we'll see. The problem is that 3:04:33.200 --> 3:04:35.879 there's a lot of greater idiots out there, and they 3:04:35.879 --> 3:04:39.280 are they all do still have guns and money. One 3:04:39.280 --> 3:04:41.520 of the great tragedies of the world is that very 3:04:41.680 --> 3:04:45.880 very stupid people can still fire guns. We made them 3:04:45.920 --> 3:04:46.840 too easy, folks. 3:04:46.959 --> 3:04:50.119 Yeah, I've seen I've seen that happen a couple of times. Yeah, 3:04:50.160 --> 3:04:51.560 in the old conduct of my work. 3:04:52.040 --> 3:04:55.960 Anyway, all right, well, we reported the news. We reported 3:04:55.959 --> 3:04:59.240 the news. Now you go out there and you know what, 3:04:59.400 --> 3:05:03.000 find someone who lives on the Isle of McDonald near 3:05:03.040 --> 3:05:05.400 the Arctic and kick their ass today. 3:05:05.520 --> 3:05:06.160 Fuck them up. 3:05:06.480 --> 3:05:07.480 Fuck that Island. 3:05:07.879 --> 3:05:09.920 Do trade with the penguin pay ten percent? 3:05:10.000 --> 3:05:12.040 Well yeah, send us a picture of you fighting a 3:05:12.120 --> 3:05:14.240 penguin and we'll get to make sure you get a 3:05:14.240 --> 3:05:14.879 hat or something. 3:05:14.959 --> 3:05:15.160 Yeah. 3:05:15.200 --> 3:05:17.000 Yeah, we'll send you so much. 3:05:17.400 --> 3:05:21.720 We reported the news. 3:05:23.480 --> 3:05:26.640 Hey, we'll be back Monday with more episodes every week 3:05:26.720 --> 3:05:28.600 from now until the heat death of the Universe. 3:05:29.360 --> 3:05:32.000 It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 3:05:32.040 --> 3:05:35.039 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 3:05:35.160 --> 3:05:38.760 foolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 3:05:38.800 --> 3:05:42.400 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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