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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with

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Speaker 2: you and Senator You're still.

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Speaker 1: Stuck in Washington, d C as we speak.

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Speaker 2: Usually everybody's going home right now, but it's midnight and

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Speaker 2: you're still there.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is eleven thirty two pm right now, Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: I am usually home in Texas, getting ready to go

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Speaker 4: I am in Washington, d C. Right now.

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Speaker 3: It looks like there's a very good chance me we

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Speaker 3: may be in Washington, d C. On Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: We could be in d C on Christmas Day. We

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Speaker 3: are twenty four hours away from a government shutdown. At

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Speaker 3: this point, the path ahead appears very uncertain. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: break that down. We're gonna explain what is going on,

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Speaker 3: what is a continuing resolution, what does this mean, and

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Speaker 3: how does this likely get resolved.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna explain that coming up.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing. We're gonna have all that for you

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Speaker 2: an interesting conversation center about what's happening in Washington.

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Speaker 1: And look, there's.

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Speaker 2: The politics of it that everybody's obsessed with and pointing fingers.

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Speaker 2: I love doing this show because I think we can

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Speaker 2: look at it a little bit differently. I want people

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Speaker 2: to understand, starting off with what is actually being fought over,

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Speaker 2: and that is a CR. Can you explain in layman's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's a very good question.

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Speaker 3: People are very confused about it. And let me do

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Speaker 3: my best to explain number one, what this fight fight

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Speaker 3: is about. Then and then some basic principles to think

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Speaker 3: going on. So for the federal government to operate, Congress

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Speaker 3: has to appropriate funds. Appropriating funds is voting to spend money.

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Speaker 3: Unless Congress appropriates funds, money can't be spent. Now, there

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Speaker 3: are three principal ways money gets appropriated. The first and

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Speaker 3: the regular order, through the process of legislating. They're typically

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Speaker 3: thirteen appropriations bills. For each of them may major cabinet

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Speaker 3: There's a second way you fund the government, and that's

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Speaker 3: a continuing resolution is typically for a set period of time.

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Speaker 3: A continuing resolution is usually abbreviated a CR, and a

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Speaker 3: You can get a long term CR, like you could

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Speaker 3: This fight is happening because at midnight Friday night, funding

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Speaker 3: this being resolved, the result will be a quote unquote

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Speaker 3: government shutdown. Now, what does a government shutdown mean? Well,

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Speaker 3: that phrase is overstated because much of government does not

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Speaker 3: spending that is written that is automatically spent, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: else does it mean, Well, if you have a government shutdown,

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Speaker 3: and by the way, that's decided typically agency by agency.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes Congress will make exceptions so for example and pass shutdowns.

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Speaker 3: but that actually takes Congress moving in and legislating and saying,

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Speaker 3: In the last big shutdown we had when Trump was president,

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Speaker 3: That's what's at stake. Now, how do we think through

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Speaker 3: I want to repeat that Ben, count to eighteen. To

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Speaker 3: House Representatives has four hundred and thirty five representatives. Two

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Speaker 3: two different attempts so far by House leadership to pass

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Speaker 3: Mike Johnson. You're the Speaker of the House. I want

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Speaker 3: you to engage in some simple math. You need to

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Speaker 3: get to eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I want to get to that name

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Speaker 3: So I want to walk through just the simple reality

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Speaker 4: He needs to eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Now, a continuing resolution continues funding the current discussion is

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Speaker 3: for a month, that that helps Trump? Do you really

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Speaker 3: think that helps the incoming administration? By the way, come

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Speaker 3: January twentieth, it stays shut down. You still got to

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Speaker 3: get to two eighteen. There are people around Trump will say, well, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: everyone will blame the shutdown on Joe Biden. I promise

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Speaker 3: you they won't in significant part because when it's Republicans

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Speaker 3: screaming we want to shut down, it's actually not ridiculous

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Speaker 3: of Democrats to say, well, if the Republicans want to

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Speaker 3: shut down, then it's the Republican shutdown. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: not an insane thing to say. The media will say it,

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Speaker 3: the Democrats will say it. And when you have Republicans screaming,

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Speaker 3: I want to shut down, that becomes not a.

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Speaker 4: Very difficult narrative to tell.

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Speaker 3: So if you're arguing, who cares about the shutdown, let's

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Speaker 3: shut it down, let me just ask what are you

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Speaker 3: trying to accomplish with that? What's the leverage you're trying

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Speaker 3: to get, and what's the endgame? When does the shut

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Speaker 3: down end? Or do you really think we should never

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Speaker 3: pay our active duty military again? And I don't think

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Speaker 3: there are many people And that's one of the dangers

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Speaker 3: of people just yelling when they don't actually look at well,

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Speaker 3: what does this mean?

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Speaker 4: And let me be clear, I have been.

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Speaker 3: Vigorous in saying we should use funding as leverage, but

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Speaker 3: leverage for an achievable, concrete, discrete outcome. I'm not hearing

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Speaker 3: anyone who's saying shut it down. Shut it down. Now,

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Speaker 3: some people are saying, all right, here's what we should

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Speaker 3: get leverage for. We should get leverage for Trump's demand

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Speaker 3: that we suspend the debt ceiling. And here's the third

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Speaker 3: principle I want to say. There are some people are

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Speaker 3: arguing for eliminating the death ceiling permanently, altogether, just getting

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Speaker 3: rid of the dead ceiling, never again having to worry

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Speaker 3: about it. And by the way, one of the plans

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Speaker 3: that's discussed is, well, the Democrats have always wanted to

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Speaker 3: eliminate the death ceiling, so let's just do that, and

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Speaker 3: that's how we get out of this.

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Speaker 4: I pray that is not the endgame here.

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Speaker 3: Eliminating the debt ceiling would be the single worst step

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Speaker 3: we could possibly take if you care about spending or

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Speaker 3: deficits or debt.

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Speaker 4: Now, why is that?

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's do a little history. Historically, the debt ceiling

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Speaker 3: has been the single greatest leverage Republicans have had to

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Speaker 3: force spending restraint. Now, this has only happened, and it's

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Speaker 3: only worked against the opposing party. So one of the

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Speaker 3: challenges with the death ceiling is when your own party

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Speaker 3: is in power. Trump wants the dead ceiling raised. Every

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Speaker 3: president wants the dead ceiling raised. Republicans, as a general matter,

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Speaker 3: are not willing to exert massive leverage on their own

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Speaker 3: part party's president and force spending restraints. So when Trump

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Speaker 3: was president the first time, the debt ceiling was not

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Speaker 3: leverage against Trump because Republicans didn't want to do that.

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Speaker 4: I understand that.

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Speaker 3: But when Democrats are in the White House, Republicans the

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Speaker 3: debt ceiling is the single most effective lever point that

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Speaker 3: has been used against Democrats to force spending restraints. And

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Speaker 3: I want to point to a couple of examples. Number one,

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Speaker 3: Graham Rudman Hollings. Graham Rudman Hollings, passed decades ago, remains

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Speaker 3: the single most effective spending restraint that has ever been

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Speaker 3: passed into law. Phil Graham, former Senator from Texas, was

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Speaker 3: the lead author. How did that get passed? It got

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Speaker 3: passed because of the debt ceiling. Got passed because Republicans

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Speaker 3: forced it and said we won't raise the debt ceiling

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Speaker 3: unless you pass meaningful structural reform to.

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Speaker 4: Reign in spending. And Graham Hollings.

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Speaker 3: Was in effect for many years and had a very

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Speaker 3: positive effect reigning in the growth of spending. I'll point

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Speaker 3: to a second example twenty ten, the Budget Control Act.

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Speaker 3: Twenty ten, Barack Obama was president and Republicans used the

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Speaker 3: debt ceiling to force Barack Obama to agree to something

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Speaker 3: called the Budget Control Act. The Budget Control Act again

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Speaker 3: significantly constrain the growth of federal spending. It was only

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Speaker 3: through the debt ceiling we got that. Now the argument

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Speaker 3: and by the way, today we the Republican senators, we

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Speaker 3: all had lunch.

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Speaker 1: JD.

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Speaker 3: Vance came to express his views. To the lunch, there

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Speaker 3: were a number of Republicans saying, well, we should just

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Speaker 3: get rid of the debt ceiling now. And I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you I expressed my views. If we get rid of

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Speaker 3: the debt ceiling, it would be utterly disastrous. If you

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Speaker 3: care remotely about government spending, eliminate the debt ceiling would

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Speaker 3: be a massive mistake. And I just put it up.

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Speaker 3: If we get rid of the debt ceiling, there will

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Speaker 3: come another Democrat president. I get the urge to live

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Speaker 3: in the moment of we're in charge.

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Speaker 4: Wuha.

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately, there will come another time when the American

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Speaker 3: people elect a Democrat. And for anyone who has an

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Speaker 3: attention span beyond twelve seconds, you recognize throughout history that

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Speaker 3: politics has been a pendulum and it goes from one

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Speaker 3: party to the other. So we will get another Democrat president.

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Speaker 3: And I told my colleagues today at lunch, I said,

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Speaker 3: all right, you get rid of the death ceiling. Get

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Speaker 3: ready for President Elizabeth Warren. And if you don't like

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Speaker 3: a thirty six trillion dollar debt, get ready for a

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Speaker 3: fifty trillion dollar debt. Because the Democrats, Elizabeth Warren wants

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Speaker 3: to eliminate the death ceiling. AOC wants to eliminate the

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Speaker 3: death ceiling. Chuck Schumer wants to eliminate the debt ceiling

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Speaker 3: because they want to spend us into oblivion. So I

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Speaker 3: will say, one potential way out of this is to

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Speaker 3: cut an absolute deal with the Democrats that gets rid

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Speaker 3: of the debt ceiling. Forever, we will have given away

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Speaker 3: what history has proven. And by the way, I'll go

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Speaker 3: go back. I'll go back to about a decade I

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Speaker 3: don't have the most recent stats, but about a decade ago,

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Speaker 3: it was the case that of the previous fifty one

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Speaker 3: times Congress had raised the debt ceiling, twenty eight of

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Speaker 3: those times that had attached meaningful conditions to the death ceiling.

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Speaker 3: So it's leverage. Remember my principal number two. As you

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Speaker 3: was spending for leverage, this is related on principal number three.

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Speaker 3: The death ceiling is about getting leverage for concessions. Now

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Speaker 3: here's the problem I mentioned to you. There are a

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Speaker 3: bunch of Republicans in the House who say they'll never

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Speaker 3: vote for continued resolution. There are also a bunch of

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Speaker 3: Republicans in the House who say they will never ever

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Speaker 3: ever vote to raise the debt ceiling. I got to

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Speaker 3: tell you, I don't think that makes any sense. I've

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Speaker 3: never said it, and I consider myself very much a

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Speaker 3: fiscal conservative. But forty percent of every dollar the federal

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Speaker 3: government spends is borrowed unless you're prepared to slash the

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Speaker 3: federal government budget by forty percent tomorrow. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: there is literally no serious person on planet Earth who

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Speaker 3: is prepared to do that and is able to do that.

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Speaker 3: Even if you would with a magic wand do that.

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Speaker 3: There's no way to make that happen. Unless you're prepared

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Speaker 3: to do that. The death ceiling will have to be raised.

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Speaker 3: My position has always been I'm willing to vote to

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Speaker 3: raise the death ceiling if we are getting concessions that

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Speaker 3: are raining in the out of control spending that's bankrupting

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Speaker 3: our country. However, in the House there are a bunch

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Speaker 3: of Republicans who simply say, I will never ever ever

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Speaker 3: vote to raise the dead ceiling, no matter what. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter what we get. My answer is no, that

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Speaker 3: is a real problem. Let me make one final principle.

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Speaker 3: Mike Johnson, who's the Speaker of the House. There are

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Speaker 3: a bunch of voices on TV, a bunch of voices

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Speaker 3: on talk radio, a bunch of voices on Twitter saying

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Speaker 3: get rid of Mike Johnson, throw them overboard. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to tell you something that I believe is an absolute fact.

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Speaker 3: Mike Johnson is the single most conservative Speaker of the

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Speaker 3: House that will ever be Speaker of the House in

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Speaker 3: our lifetime. He is undoubtedly the most conservative Speaker of

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Speaker 3: the House we have ever had in our lifetime. It's

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Speaker 3: not even close. It's not even arguable and I'm here

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Speaker 3: to tell you listen, Mike Johnson may lose his job

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Speaker 3: over this. He has a very perilous It's a tiny

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Speaker 3: majority in the House. You've got a bunch of House

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Speaker 3: members saying I'm going to vote against him. I will

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Speaker 3: tell you this, If Mike Johnson has toppled a Speaker

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Speaker 3: of the House, and he might be Kevin McCarthy was

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Speaker 3: Mike Johnson is orders of magnitude more conservative than Kevin McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: It's not even close. If Mike Johnson is toppled as

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Speaker 3: Speaker of the House, we will end up with a

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Speaker 3: Speaker of the House who is much much more liberal

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Speaker 3: than Mike Johnson. I think that is indisputable. I know

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Speaker 3: Mike Well. He's a good man. He's a decent man.

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Speaker 3: He's a strong Christian, he is a man of humility.

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Speaker 3: And everyone on Twitter is saying, but he gave the

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Speaker 3: Democrats concessions. I want to go back to the first principle.

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Speaker 3: I said, count to two eighteen. If Mike Johnson could

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Speaker 3: draft a bill that makes it out of the House

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Speaker 3: with two hundred and eighteen Republicans, he would I don't

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Speaker 3: believe that is possible. There's certainly nothing to indicate its possible.

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 3: If you cannot get to too eighteen with Republicans because

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Speaker 3: a bunch of Republicans say I will not vote for

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Speaker 3: anything you propose no matter what, then Mike Johnson is

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Speaker 3: forced to get Democrat votes. To get Democrat votes, he

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Speaker 3: must give Democrats things they want. And so I don't

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Speaker 3: know what will happen. I think there's a reasonable chance

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Speaker 3: somehow out of this we get some very short term

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Speaker 3: cr a week or two or three, and then in

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Speaker 3: mid January we're back in the middle of this mess.

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Speaker 3: And that's possible. I'll tell you in the Senate, we're

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Speaker 3: all sitting there. We have no idea what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I got to tell you I feel for Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 3: I think he is trying with all his might.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 3: I would just encourage you to focus on listen. I

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Speaker 3: think we need people to be serious about changing the

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Speaker 3: direction of the battleship of government, and to do so,

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Speaker 3: you actually need a strategy that can get the votes

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Speaker 3: to prevail. If you can't get the votes, it's easy

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Speaker 3: to tweet about it. I mean that's from the cheap

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Speaker 3: seats thirty eight Republicans voted No. One hundred and seventy

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Speaker 3: four is not to eighteen, and so I don't know

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Speaker 3: what the result is here. I think it is chaotic.

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Speaker 3: We will get through this one way or another. But

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Speaker 3: the fundamental structural dynamics, and it's one of the things

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Speaker 3: bok Going forward into the next year. I'm really optimistic

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Speaker 3: about the Trump presidency. I'm really optimistic about a Republican

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Speaker 3: Senate in the House. But I'll tell you the Senate's

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Speaker 3: going to be a lot easier. We've got fifty three

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Speaker 3: Republicans coming in next year. By the way, we still

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Speaker 3: have a Democrat Senate today, so I haven't even this

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Speaker 3: whole discussion has ignored the fact that you've got to

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Speaker 3: get Chuck Schumer and the Democrats to agree with whatever

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Speaker 3: you do, which is even harder. But next year we'll

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Speaker 3: have fifty three Republicans in the Senate. Fifty three is

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Speaker 3: a big enough majority that we can lose three votes

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Speaker 3: and still get things done. So I think the Senate

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Speaker 3: will be able to pass pretty good legislation, not fantastic,

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Speaker 3: not wonderful, but surprisingly good. The House worries me enormously

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Speaker 3: next year because the majority is so excruciatingly small that

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Speaker 3: if you lose a handful of votes, you cannot get

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Speaker 3: to two eighteen. And so I think Mike Johnson is

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Speaker 3: trying to work miracles right now. But the single heart

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Speaker 3: artist challenge of the next two years in terms of

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Speaker 3: passing good legislation is going to be getting to two

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Speaker 3: eighteen in the House, and I don't know what the

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Speaker 3: answer is to that.

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Speaker 2: I will say this, I really really hope that people

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Speaker 2: that are listening to this listen to what you had

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Speaker 2: to say, and they understand that we do this show

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Speaker 2: not to just go out there as you described it

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Speaker 2: and throw things out there from the cheap seats without

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Speaker 2: doing the math. And I think most people listen to

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Speaker 2: because you take a position knowing that people are going

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Speaker 2: to retweet it and knowing that people are going to

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Speaker 2: like it in general, and then you're going to build

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Speaker 2: doing that right now. But like you said, the number

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Speaker 2: comes down to the number and two eighteen is the number,

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Speaker 2: and we're nowhere close to that.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 2: I want to take a moment to talk about something

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Speaker 2: that's incredibly important, and that is this, Do you have

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Speaker 1: Do you carry a firearm? Well?

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Speaker 2: Are you protected if you ever have to use that firearm.

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Speaker 2: I asked that question because I know exactly what happens

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Speaker 2: I promise you will be here for you. We'll explain it.

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Speaker 2: If we don't get a deal done. Right now there's

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