1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it now. The spoiler version 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: of our Killers of the Flower Moon review. If you 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: are here, you have either watched the movie already or 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: you don't care about spoilers. But this is your final 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: warning because we're about to get into it all and. 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna spoil so much. 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 3: I want you to just to go off right now. 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give an entire synopsis. I'm sitting here 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: because you read the book from just buckle up people, 10 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: three hundred pages. I'm just going to read the whole book. 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: Do you read the book? I did not, so you 12 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: started off Okay. 13 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: First of all, I'm really bothered by the fact that 14 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: his brother's name was Byron in the movie and it's 15 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: Brian in the book. Why do we need to change that? 16 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I thought it was an accent thing. 17 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: No, it was larn Byron and in the book it's Brian. Okay, 18 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: the book. The biggest difference right off the bat is 19 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: that you know throughout the whole movie that Ernest and 20 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: his uncle are bad. 21 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what happens in the movie is Leonardo DiCaprio 22 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: comes back for more. He was working as like somebody 23 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: who serves people meals. 24 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a cook, it was feeding them, and 25 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: he comes back. 26 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: De Niro is his uncle and in the so the 27 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: difference is in the book you don't know the entire time, 28 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: but in the movie, right at the very beginning, they 29 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: devised the plan of him to marry Molly and try 30 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: to get. 31 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: How did they describe it again, her head right. 32 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: So it's called a head right. So it's what each 33 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: O Sage member gets for like the oil money each year. 34 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: But some of them were deemed incompetent, meaning that like 35 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: a guardian would have to help take money out. But 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: the other thing is that Molly is a full blood 37 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: Osage and so what happens is and this is the 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: same in the book as it is in the movie. 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: Her sister Many dies of what they call wasting illness. 40 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Her sister Anna disappears and is found shot. So that's 41 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: another thing that was different in the movie is that 42 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: they just like immediately go to finding Anna's body. She's 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: missing for about a week in the book and no 44 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: one can find her, and then they find her body 45 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: and then eventually Rita dies and then her or does 46 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: her mom die before Rita? I don't remember they follow 47 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: the right order in the movie of how the sisters die, 48 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 2: but the idea is that like then Molly's getting each 49 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: of their head rights and then She's left with all 50 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: of them. But you don't know who's after them the 51 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: whole time. And then you find out that William Hale, 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: the uncle, is responsible, and then you find out that Ernest, 53 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: Molly's husband has been working with him. So you yeah, 54 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: and the book it's so much more shocking. 55 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's what I wanted to get into 56 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: is after you told me that, I think that would 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: have made a better movie, because there are moments in 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: this film where these murders are happening that you don't 59 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: realize it's Leonardo DiCaprio at the time that he's there. 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: I think there was one instance where they go back 61 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: where they killed the detective and you don't see him 62 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: in his initial killing. 63 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and then you see him clear it up after 64 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: And I. 65 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: Think if they did a movie like this, or if 66 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: they just would have did the style where you find 67 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: it all out at the end of it and you 68 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: go back to all those murders and you see Leo 69 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: either there involved or him orchestrating it. I think that 70 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: would have been a great movie. The problem with that 71 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: it probably would have been an hour thirty an hour forty. 72 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: Five, Yeah, because it's very slow to get there. 73 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: You couldn't have kept that mystery going throughout the entire 74 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: movie of three and a half hours. So I thought 75 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: that was interesting to change that entirely and reveal that 76 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: plan at the very beginning that it's de Niro and 77 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: DiCaprio working together to devise this plan of essentially what 78 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: happens in this movie will do a real quick run through. 79 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: He marries Molli, they get they have some kids, and 80 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: they start killing off all of her sisters because if 81 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: they are able to kill everybody in the family and 82 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,279 Speaker 1: then kill Molli. 83 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: The head rights all go to Leo and then. 84 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: It'll keep it in the family. De Niro gets money 85 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: and everybody's good good, So they devised this plan. They 86 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: hire people around the town to kill off each of her. 87 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Sisters, and but then there's also other people that end 88 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: up dead. Is like collateral. There was Henry who was 89 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: good friends with the uncle who also have any Molly's 90 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: first husband from when they were very young. Yeah, they 91 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: basically went based on there were how do I say this. 92 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: There were a lot more people killed than just Molly's family. Yeah, 93 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: but it does center around the fact that, like her 94 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: whole family was killed off, but there were a lot 95 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: more killed off. And even in the movie they talk 96 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: about how many people died, they weren't investiating in the book, 97 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: they go into that they were like, there were so 98 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: many other murders. My other thing that I would have 99 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: loved to have seen more in the movie, but I 100 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: feel like it would have been too much of a 101 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: side plot was more of how the FBI was created 102 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: with kind of white Jesse Pleman's character, it just kind 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: of glosses over. He shows up and he's like, I'm 104 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: from the Bureau of Investigations. 105 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: So what happens is mall he gets sick, she gets 106 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: diabetes and she has to take insulin, which is just 107 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: created around this time, and then Leo's character, her husband 108 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: is poisoning her through the medication. 109 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: With these doctors, these very shady doctors that were responsible 110 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: for a lot of help assistance with the murders. They 111 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: would sign off on insurance policies as well for people 112 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: because William the uncle would take out entrance policies on 113 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: people and he'd be like, oh, they're my friends, but 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: he was really like then plotting to murder them and 115 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: the would get the money the entrance policy. So yeah, 116 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: these doctors were so shady. 117 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: So she gets sick with diabetes, thinks she's taken insulin 118 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: to make her better, but she's getting more and more sick, 119 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: and there's one scene where she is so sick that 120 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: jesse Plemon's well, she gathers up the string before she's 121 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: terribly sick and goes to DC yes to tell the 122 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: president what is happening. That leads them to sending people 123 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: down who essentially are the first people in the FBI. 124 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: And that's when jesse Plemmon's character shows up to DiCaprio's 125 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: house and says he's there to investigate. 126 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually and I got to tell you this, 127 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 2: but Tom White, who jesse Plemmons is playing, he was 128 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: a former Texas Ranger. His dad was like a Texas Ranger. 129 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: His dad was actually a ranger in Travis County in Austin, 130 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: which is really interesting. I might have gone, oh, he 131 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: mentioned the text, but yes, his dad was in Travis County, 132 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: which is the Austin area. But he like moves to Oklahoma, 133 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: moves his family because Jay Edgar Hoover, like who created 134 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: the FBI, wants him to lead it. And then he 135 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: brings in all these other people. One poses as like 136 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: an entrance salesman. One is a Native American, so he 137 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: blends right in. But yeah, there's a lot more details 138 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: about the work of the FBI in the book, which 139 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: I thought was really that was actually the act of 140 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: the book that I thought was the most fascinating was 141 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: how they discovered all of it. 142 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the movie was gonna deal with it more. 143 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: But at that point in the movie, everything is somewhat 144 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: going according to plan with their entire scheme to get 145 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: the money, aside from a couple deaths that have left 146 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: behind a little bit of a trail. And then from 147 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: there the investigation kind of starts. These members of the 148 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: FBI start questioning everybody. They start picking up on things 149 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: that if anybody had gone out there at any point 150 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: would have picked up on that clearly these people were 151 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: being murdered so they could take their money, and then 152 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: it leads to DiCaprio's character and the Nero's character going 153 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: to court. The part I didn't like was the ending 154 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: really too, which is also what I held against it 155 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: in my review. 156 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ending was. 157 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: The ending was weird because once it gets revealed, whenever 158 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: Molly finds out that her husband was the one poisoning her, 159 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: it just kind of ends. And then it goes to 160 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: this radio show telling all the details of the fallout. 161 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: And I didn't like that. 162 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we have Jack White by Scorsese. It's 163 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: very random. 164 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: It's a weird scene and a weird way to end 165 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: the movies. Orsese has a cameo there, and they essentially 166 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: just tell you instead of showing you everything that happens. 167 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: And I thought that was lame. I thought that was 168 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: such a weak ending for this entire movie. That didn't 169 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: even fit the style of the entire movie. It's just like, 170 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: all right, here's a live radio show of all the 171 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: fallout of it, and then it just kind of ends. 172 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: How was the ending of the book different as far 173 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: as Molly figuring that out? Was it still kind of 174 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: along the same lines because in the movie you don't 175 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: know anything that really happens. 176 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: Afterwards, we said she ended up divorcing him. 177 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: Yes, she divorced him remarried. I think you they say 178 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: that in the movie and like the. 179 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: Live radio show Oh yeah, which was dumb, But I. 180 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: Feel like in the movie they like expressed she was 181 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: like a little more like still loving to earnest her husband, 182 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: but so she was in denial in the book and 183 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: then when she found out that it was true, left 184 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: his ass. 185 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have too, But I feel like still 186 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: even now that if it would have focused more on 187 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: the members of the Osage tribe, it would have been 188 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: a lot more impactful, because one of my favorite scenes 189 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: was probably in the third act where they go and 190 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: talk to everybody and there's a leader there telling them 191 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: that you know, back in the day, we would have 192 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: went and killed the people who were doing this to us, 193 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: but we don't know who the people are now, And 194 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: it just made me feel so bad for the O 195 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: Sah people and what they had to go through, and 196 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: the fact that these people around them wanted nothing to 197 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: do with them until they had the money. It just 198 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: feels so slimy and it feels so horrible. And like 199 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: you said that there was more death in the book 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: that showed you how much of a massacre it was. 201 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: That the movie didn't really show a whole lot of 202 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: that you do see murders throughout the film, but as 203 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: far as making the magnitude of what actually happened in 204 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: history come across more, they focused so much on Leonardo 205 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: DiCaprio and his uncle and their plot that it just 206 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: felt more like a crime epic than it did what 207 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: actually happened in history. 208 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: I was relooking through the book and I was finding 209 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: in part three when he talks about how many more 210 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: deaths there were, David Grant, the author does a little 211 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 2: bit more investigation of how many people had guardians, and 212 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: like how many of those guardians had other words are 213 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: what they were called. And he found that one guardian 214 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: around the time of all these deaths had eleven wards, 215 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: eight of whom died. Another guardian had thirteen wards, more 216 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: than half of whom had been listed as deceased. One 217 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: guardian had five wards, all of whom died, and so 218 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: on it went. The numbers were staggering and clearly defied 219 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: a natural death rate. And because most of these were 220 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: never investigated as impossible to determine how many deaths were suspicious, 221 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: that is crazy. 222 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: That is just crazy to think about, and it also, 223 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: in a weird way made me think about I'm glad 224 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: I was born in the time period I did, because, gosh, 225 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: just the fact that you could get away with this 226 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: so easily back then, and the fact that it seemed 227 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: like you didn't really have any security. 228 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: I think about that often, but more from a public 229 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: health perspective of like having a medicine, yeah, tuberculosis, Oh well. 230 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: I just think of it like at any point, somebody 231 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: could just come to your house and be like I 232 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: want this house now and take your house, or burn 233 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: your house down, or just be brutally murdered somewhere. Not 234 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: that it can't happen now, but I feel like back 235 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: in the day there was just so much more fear 236 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: that I would have living my day to day life. 237 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: And to feel now like so secure and like there's 238 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: a normalcy to everything in an order. I don't know, 239 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: it's just a weird thing I had watching the movie 240 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: that made me grateful for being born in the time 241 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: period I did. The other part that excited me is 242 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: whenever they said the line from the trailer that I 243 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: keep repeating over and over. 244 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: Can you find the wolves in this picture? 245 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: And I think it's funny just because of all the 246 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: quotes for me, to stick out from this movie. 247 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: That's that also was a very random plot point. It 248 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: wasn't even like a big It was from a book 249 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 2: that his uncle gave him to learn about the Osage, 250 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: and that's literally a line and a picture. 251 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: Can you find the wolves in this picture? 252 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: But in the trailer it shows all the people there 253 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: at the end, whenever they're trying to get him not 254 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: to testify, I get it against his uncle and you 255 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: see all these people and you get like a big, 256 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: grand like old school portrait of these people, and you 257 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: have to pick out, like who was actually good here 258 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: and who was actually evil. 259 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: That was another aspect I. 260 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: Liked about this movie, where all the photographs that were 261 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: taken throughout of the Osage people, and I like those 262 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: little moments of like them capturing that little small snapshot 263 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: of remembering it. 264 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: I'm just in shock that. So this is our spoiler 265 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: of you if you're listening to our regular episode. We 266 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: forgot Brendan Fraser was in this film. 267 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was about to get to hear which. 268 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were so many people that I knew were 269 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: in it, but I forgot what characters they were going 270 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: to play. I found Brendan Fraser's character to be a 271 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: little bit comical because he was so over the top, 272 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: and that's probably how that person was meant to be portrayed. 273 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,119 Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure, but in John Lithgow sorry. 274 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but in my head he was like George 275 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: at the Jungle acting in that moment John Lithgow was 276 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: in there. 277 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: There was just so many random cameos. 278 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: My favorite was Barry Corbyn playing the Undertaker, big one 279 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: Tree Hill fan. 280 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: He was yeah, yeah, there there were so many people 281 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: in this movie. When yeah, and you have a three 282 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: and a half hour movie there, you're gonna be a 283 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: lot of cameos. 284 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: I wanted just more justice for the fact that Mollie 285 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: was duped by this man her. 286 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, entire marriage, that's yeah, that's a hard thing to 287 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: think about. 288 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: And he was had a hand in the brutally murdering 289 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: every single one of her family members. Because I don't 290 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: know if they talked about this in the movie either, 291 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: but her mom was poisoned. It wasn't a natural death. 292 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 3: Oh no, Yeah, they didn't mention that. 293 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: Well in the book Bill Smith, her brother in law 294 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: had a suspicion and they never investigated that. So, yeah, 295 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: all of them were. I think her sister Minnie's was 296 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: the only one that was natural causes, and that I 297 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: read the book like two weeks ago, and you all 298 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: know I've read like five more books. I think Mini's 299 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: death may have even been suspicious of the wasting illness. 300 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: The sad part about the mom dying was whenever she 301 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: was realizing that she was starting to go, she sees 302 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: the owl, and that was kind of the symbol of 303 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: you're about to move on to the next life. And 304 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: then the part where Molly sees the owl, I was like, oh, no, 305 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: she's gonna die too. But then you realize that she's 306 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: being poisoned. During that investigation, they take her from the 307 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: home where Leonardo DiCaprio has kept her and they take 308 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: her to a hospital. When she gets better able to walk, 309 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of a heroic moment of all the crap 310 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: that her character goes through, of losing all of her sisters, 311 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: all of her family, and then her at the point 312 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: at the brink of death and then comes back from it. 313 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to see more of the rise of her 314 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: back because that's a major part, and I think sometimes Scorsese, 315 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: I don't think he does it on purpose, but he 316 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: kind of minimizes the female figures in his movies, Like 317 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: even though a lot of his female figures do have 318 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: this power that is understated and kind of at the 319 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: bottom of it all, you have these strong women. I 320 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: feel like you could have really brought her character, like 321 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: just showcased her a little bit more of all the 322 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: crack that she has gone through. At the end of it, 323 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: she should have had like this big triumphant, overarching like 324 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: I got out of this. But I guess if it 325 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: doesn't really line up with what happened in history, you 326 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: couldn't do that. 327 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, also, I don't really think there was 328 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: I mean, she remarried, but she still died young, like 329 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: her whole family had been taken. Okay, I went back 330 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: to the part in the book. 331 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: One thing I'll say before you get that. 332 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: I wish it would have had the Quentin Tarantino re 333 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: writing history and she killed Leonardo DiCaprio's character. 334 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: I guess that's what I wanted. 335 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: Oh, that would have been good, like something. 336 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: To wear like, Okay, she's been taking an advantage of 337 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: and lied to she kills him. 338 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: That would have been really good. 339 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: It would have made for a great movie, but again 340 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: probably not hystorically accurate anyway. 341 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: Good So, Yeah, her sister Many died like a couple 342 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: years before all of this started, but her death had 343 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: come with shocking speed, and Molly harbored doubts. Many had 344 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: only been twenty seven and had always been in perfect health. 345 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: And then another thing I found was like figure a 346 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: number about why they were considered the wealthiest people per 347 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: capita in the world. In nineteen twenty three alone, the 348 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: tribe took in more than thirty million, the equivalent today 349 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: of more than four hundred million. Good God, because of 350 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: all the oil. Yeah, they didn't really accurately state that either. 351 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: They showed it with the amount of jewelry and nice 352 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: cars that they had and the fact they had drivers 353 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: taking them everywhere. 354 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: It was some of the largest oil deposits in the US, 355 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: and so certain that oil prospectors had to pay the 356 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: OSAH for leases and royalties. 357 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: Dang, that is crazy. That's why those people were so mad. 358 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: That is a lot of money. 359 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, And that's all I have about the book 360 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: before I read the whole thing on podcast. 361 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: Anything else you felt about this? 362 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: Still a good job of casting. There are pictures in 363 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: the book. 364 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're showing me that. 365 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: Real pictures of Molly and her family and Earnest and 366 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: Tom White, and I thought they did a really good job. 367 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: So I feel like this is a movie that if 368 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: you go back and read the book, you learn a 369 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: whole lot more. 370 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can still read the book after. 371 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: I guess it's just different that you it spoils itself 372 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: because you already know that he is behind it. 373 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: But you learn more how they figured it out. The 374 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 2: investigation process is cool. They use well, they have an informant, 375 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: but he's like double timing them. 376 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: Fact that the FBI wasn't created till the nineteen twenties, Yeah, 377 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: that's also bizarre. 378 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: It is really bizarre. 379 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, I. 380 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: Still stand by my four out of five rating. You 381 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: stand by yours. 382 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: Four out of five for the movie, four point five 383 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: out of five for the book. 384 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: Well, there you go. 385 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: That's it. That's all we have. 386 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: All Right, we'll talk to you next time. 387 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: Until then, go out and watch good movies and I 388 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: will talk to you later.