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All my life and running 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:22.240 all my life, sacrifice hustle back price. One slice got 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.720 the broller dice to swap all my life. I've been 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.000 grinding all my life, all my life and running all 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:33.000 my life sacrifice hustle back prices. One slice got the 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.760 broll dice to swap all my life. I've been running 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.840 in all my life, Gil, How you doing today, brou 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.960 I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for having me. You 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.600 forgot what most called me to go. You forgot to 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.040 say the goat. I'm go. Oh you know, yeah, I'm 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.800 gonna go. You gotta say goat and some call him 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.160 to go? Gil? How you being? What's going on? Bro? 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.720 And I've been good? You know, I've been good. You know, 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.400 Quaryantina like everybody else, you know, just trying to figure 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.360 out what's going on in life. Right, We're gonna start 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.320 present and then we're gonna work our way back. Saturday night, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.320 there's a fight that took place Nate Robinson, former NBA player, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.919 against YouTube sensation. I guess that's what they would call him. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.280 Jake Paul, who also says he wants to take up 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.720 the fight game. He's been in it for a little while, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.919 he's taken it serious. It didn't work out well for Nate. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:35.200 What do you think happened besides the obvious? So, you 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:41.799 know there's a difference between fighting and boxing, correct. You 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:47.360 know Nat is a fighter. He's fought plenty of times 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.800 in locker rooms, right. You know he's used to grabbing, holding, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.320 body slamming, you know, trying to hit somebody with the 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.639 club hit right. Well, you know when you're a boxer, 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:03.360 it's timing. You know, it's precision. Correct. I don't think 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.240 he understood that. I don't think that was told to him. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:11.000 So when he got frustrated, he went into fight mode, right, 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.760 and he was gonna try to grab it launch. He 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:21.000 got tought for it. Right. So why wouldn't someone explain 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:25.320 the rules of boxing versus the rules of fighting. But 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.880 one rule is universal. Keep your hands up. Whether it's 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.400 a free fight, or you in a square or you 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.800 in an octagon, you gotta keep your hands up. Guilt, Yeah, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.520 you know, it's it's if you're not used to it, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.680 it's it's secondary to you. Like you know, when you 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.360 took McGregor and had him go against you know, Mayweather. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:50.320 You can see that he didn't protect himself as usual 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:54.120 because in MMA, that's not what they do. They use 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.440 their hands to grab and counter, so, you know, using 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.920 your hands to you know block. You know, Jabs McGregor 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.480 wasn't used to it. You know, so unless you're sparring 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.000 and that's what you're being taught, it comes second nature 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.000 to someone who's just used to fighting. So why didn't 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.480 he go get the proper training? Why didn't he go 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.880 out and reach out to a Freddie Roach. Why didn't 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.320 he reach out to a Teddy Atlas or Buddy McGirt 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.719 or Floyd Mayweather Senior? Why not reach out to somebody 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:30.599 that could train him properly because you're fighting a YouTuber. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.200 Oh so he underestimated it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.960 I'm pretty sure. You know, it's a YouTuber. He's not 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.920 a professional, actual fighter, so I can't go in there 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.200 and probably try to bully him. And you know, if 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.760 you look at the way to fight started, that's what 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.320 Nick was trying to do, just bully through him. And 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.560 if you look at both the YouTuber, Jake wasn't a 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.360 box reader no, no, the three the three hits he 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.760 landed was three hate makers with his eyes closed. You know, 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.680 when you slow everything down, it's like he's just bending 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.160 down throwing over the top hay maker and it's connected 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.760 but Harrison. But you know this, as banks professional lathlete, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.920 you respect everyone. You underestimate no one and you'll be fine. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.520 Is when you underestimate your opponent and you look at him. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.479 Some of the best hoopers don't have the best body. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.080 If he like, he can't do nothing and he light 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.160 you up. If you don't give them, you don't give 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.440 your opponent the proper respect that he deserves. What then 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.200 you deserve whatever happens to you. And you know, and 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.520 that's why I sent the text like we we we 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.080 got our giggles off, we got our gigg disolved. Yeah, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.520 and then you know, while I'm looking at it all, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.080 I'm like, well, Nate, wait, hold on, you not that 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.320 far off? You know he got that far from what 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:58.560 Gil He wasn't that far off if you look at 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.800 right before he got knock knocked down. The first time 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.520 Jake throws an overhand right a fighter, he blocks it 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.640 with his right hand instead of his left hand. So 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:13.680 if he blocks it with his left hand, he gets 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.040 to uppercut him. The fact that he blocks it with 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.840 his right hand, he gets no counter on it. If 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.320 he was a boxer, he would have knew that that 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.640 he throws that overhand right, no protection uppercut him right. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.920 So that could have been an easy knockout for for Nick. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.839 Nick could have knocked him out with that punch because 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.800 he threw too much effort into it. But little things 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.040 like that, you know, I was, you know, explaining to Nate, like, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.080 this is what you need to be tradedful. So I 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.559 used to box, okay in you know, in ninth grade, 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.080 you know, instead of basketball, I just took boxing the 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.520 loves of school and I used to fight for five dollars, okay, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.120 you know, so you know, there was little things I 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.480 was like, Well, Nate, you could have ended him right there. Look, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.120 when you're chasing someone, you cannot chase him like this. No, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.320 you know you're chasing them up right with right. Yeah. 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.440 But but but here's the thing though, Gil, why would 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.240 you all of a sudden want to pick up the 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.400 fight game and your thirty your reflections start to slow. Guys, 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.600 if you're in the fight game, you have to be 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.840 able to to see punches, to anticipate punches, and not 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.920 to walk into punches. I mean at thirty six, I 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.480 mean we are a little but you know, nat is 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.400 native is one of those freak type of athletes like yourself, 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:35.520 where the age doesn't really like my thirty six is 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:40.600 probably your thirty one. You know. So Nate still feels 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.800 he has it. That's what I said, you're not. He's 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.160 not fighting against an actual role, professional fighter. He's fighting 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.920 against a YouTuber who just jumped into it last year. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.880 But that year of training still it's still above what 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.720 Nate was ready for. Well how about this here? Why 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.840 not pick up bowling? Why not pick up hold? Why 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.600 pick up the fight game? Of all the things that 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.280 you could pick up? What you're done with one professional sport, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.440 why not why not something that's not that's non contact. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.520 I haven't asked that question, but I do ask it 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.840 in football when the football players retire and they go 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.360 straight to I'm like that do you really want? And 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.880 it's like, well, contact is all I know? No, I 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.640 was done with contact. What's hope? I haven't been taking 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.600 contact for twenty these years. I didn't want to get 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.480 hit on anymore. But it takes It takes a special 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.000 type of person to be able to and like I said, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.200 for me, football was second nature because I knew okay 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.520 in a certain defense, I knew where the hits were 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.920 probably going to be coming from. As a boxer, you 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.560 know if you throw where the punch is probably gonna 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.640 be coming back from. And so you can anticipate things. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.800 You understand how to pivot, you don't understand how to turn. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.160 But if you're just getting into it, it's gonna take 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.880 so long for you pick that up. Gil. But you know, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.920 just like just like anybody who's been in a fight 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.680 or watch fights, you think it's easier than it really 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.559 is exactly. You know, you know you're getting you know, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.200 fighting through school. You didn't you know, I can knock 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.599 him out, and then you don't realize the precision the 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:22.599 timing is. Yeah, you can't grab me. You all that 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.720 strength off, you can't grab covering the real street fight. See, 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.040 I believe Knight in the street fight could probably believe 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.800 Jake Paul because what he tried to do, he would 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.760 rushing school, boom boom boo, grinding back. But in a 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.000 boxing match, ain't no grabbing it ain't no scooping somebody 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.199 up off the floor and dumping him. And I think 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.199 that's what like, I think when he was attacking, that 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:50.120 was the mentality. I'm rushing with the scoop, the scoop mentality, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.199 and that's how he actually was approaching them and he 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:58.240 kept getting hit. So you wrote this hard yob. You 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.000 started trending because you wrote and I won't read it 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.240 all about a butt whipon is no different than the 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.160 first time than you had to guard Alan Ivernson, You 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.920 had to guard myself, stephar Marburry, some of the eight 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.800 the other great guards in the NBA. When Nate came 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.599 in and you were trying to explain to him is 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.920 not getting knocked out, its getting up. What are you 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.440 gonna do once they got knocked out and you get 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.600 back up? What do you do moving forward? What made 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:29.040 you write that? Because I'm I'm you know, I see 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:35.320 everyone's post. I know Nate personally, I know what type 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.280 of person he is. He's a fighter, he's fierce, he 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:44.679 doesn't back down. And I know because of you know, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:49.520 the curries and Lebron's everyone laughing, that probably hurt him, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.120 like hurt his soul like, I think that hurt more 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.400 than the actual fight. Losing to a YouTuber. I'm pretty 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.520 sure losing to a YouTuber. He's like, but it's your peers. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.319 You feel like you let him down, and you know, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.439 as as a big bro to him, I'm like, well, no, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.040 the letdown is if you don't get back in that ring. No, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.400 it's okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.360 Don't do that, Gil, don't talk that man on another one. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:19.520 And hey, hey, you win some, you lose some, Okay, 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:24.600 you lost, let it go. It's okay. What's the what's 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:30.520 the disci between a champion and the contender? A champion 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.079 gets back up one more time. But here's the thing. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.600 If if if somebody beat me in my sport, it's okay, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.920 that's not what my thing is. Why did he feel 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.319 he needed to do this? See? This is why I 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.360 look at it. And you know how we are. If 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.760 you me and Gil we're walking down the street and 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.960 we see a b nest a bee hive or calling 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.240 me of bees, they not bothering us. Now, Gil gonna 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.360 go over there and start messing with him, and they 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.880 light him up. I won't laugh. They weren't bothering you, Gil, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.560 you mess with it's them, so you deserve to get 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.520 some ten fifteen times. However many times it took that 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.720 guy didn't call Nate out. Nate called him out because 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.839 he underasked, Hell, YouTuber, man, I beat the brakes off 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.520 it and he underestimated it and the dude hitting with 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.480 a one hit quitter. Uh huh. Now, now what you 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.520 do is you call somebody else out that you know 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.920 you can win, go wanting one and quick wit after 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.800 the w That's what I was trying to say. He 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:33.280 gotta fight him again, get to win. Here we go 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.839 another word. You want? You want? You want somebody that 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.800 he can But who could he be? Because now people YouTube, 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.400 you can't be a YouTube Who you go ground? Hey, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.000 wellt's a YouTuber who's been boxing for about a year 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.400 and a half. Now, hey box somebody who's who just fights? 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.520 So what he who he gonna call out? Tony Hawk? 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.079 Do what you gotta do? Plays Get you a W 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.280 is all I'm saying, get you a WU before you 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.880 quit the game. So so in other words, you feel 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.559 that because I'm one are the ones I mean the 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.839 means you know? But here the thing, No, Gil, you 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.760 know this the new crime Jordan for the next year, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.319 This the new crime. Join me all think that he 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.960 he getting over that. Listen, I had about four posts 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.719 that I had to actually take down before I pushed it. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.439 But before I push Sin, before I push Sin, I 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.680 had to let you know what I did, got about 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.719 four or five times. So you want to so you 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.439 want to rematch, not necessarily with Jake Paul, but you 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.400 want him to fight to have a one and run 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.640 record instead of a oh and one record. Yeah, I 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:46.800 get like, you know, yeah, you get knocked down, but 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.199 get come on, get back up. This is what we do. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.480 Like this is this is what we do. We athletes. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.839 We get back up. Like if we if we quit 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.160 after we got knocked down the first time, there would 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:04.360 be no one but Gil. You know athletes from being 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.560 a professional athlete. You know, our problem is is because 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.200 we're grading one thing, we automatically soon we'll be grading 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.160 something else. We automatically assume that. But oh I could 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.800 do that, Oh I could do that. You know that's 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.080 what get us in trouble. Yeah, hey, listen, we just 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.320 watched Charles Barkley win, right, No, we watched Phil Mickerson win. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.720 I don't know who listen. First of all, I don't 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.320 know who thought that two guys that are non professional 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.680 can beat a professional and even a slappy. It's just 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.360 like if you get two non pros in basketball and 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.400 you put an NBA our current NBA player with another slap, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.200 the pro is gonna win. That's just the way it is. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.960 Phil Mickelson is one of the one of the top 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.160 golfers all time, and you actually thought Steph and Peyton 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.240 Maddy was gonna beat him and Charles as bad as 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:05.360 Trump is. But look, he became a changed man. But 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:10.080 I see Charles chose something that's non contact, that's not contact. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.160 He picked up golf. You could still be competitive even 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.640 though you're competing against you know, you say you're compete 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.120 against the other guy, you're actually competing against the course. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.080 But the courts don't hit back. Okay, you go eight straights, 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.360 eight strokes or ten strokes over park the course, they 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.400 hit you upside your head. It ain't hitting you, getting 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.280 you no body shots. Yeah, I mean he took it, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.600 he took his lumps. He's gonna be embarrassed for a 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.640 while while forever. But you're not living this down. That's 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.680 why he gotta he gotta go knock somebody out. You 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.280 gotta go knock somebody out, niggas, you gotta go knock 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.800 somebody out. That's where it works. But see, here's the thing. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.040 They said he was doing this for the all the 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.640 NBA player, for all the athletes. I mean the culture. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.240 He I mean this for the culture, not what he's saying. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.840 If we called it hell, now you got everybody. Now 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.080 you know how they're looking at it us, They looking 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.080 at us somebody like, oh I would try him, Oh 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.480 they can, they can try me. They won't, they won't 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.200 get a response. I can tell you that for show. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:13.120 I'm not getting the ring. You know, hold on, you 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.280 don't gass up Nate and got him in the ring. 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.640 And now you say even though you box, you got 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.040 a box in background, you say you don't want no 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.680 parts of it. No, like I try to do twenty 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.000 push ups. Not No, I'm not even strong enough to 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:28.480 get enough box of the ring. I can tell you 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:33.760 that for show. So what about what about MLA for 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:38.040 Nate for anybody, for any I think do you think 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:44.320 any well? I think James James, James Jones could do it. James, 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.920 Oh yeah, he's black belt. Yeah, but that's something he 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.040 but that's that's like something he actually thank you see 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.200 something you actually do you do right, But the difference 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:03.080 but the difference between that and let's say, like I'm 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.760 pretty sure like when you're when you're when you're playing 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:12.800 you you're trained in boxing, right hard. Yeah, so if 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.920 you're training in boxing and shot of boxing, you kind 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.680 of think you can really throw them hands. Yeah, but 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.960 that's what I said you he he probably was training 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.280 and it really thought he could throw the hands and 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:28.080 didn't realize like the sparring part of it, they're getting hit, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.159 they're reacting, you know, that is the most important. So 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.000 I don't think he's sparred enough leading up to that fight. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.359 That's what Mike Tyson says. Everybody has a planned until 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.480 they get hit. And the thing is with boxing, people 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.800 don't understand how long three minutes actually is to be 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:51.280 to have your senses acutely a key and to throw 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:56.159 punches and also try to dodge punches while breathing. Because 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.320 what happens when you get tired your hands dropped. What 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.040 happens when you get tired your jaw dropped. Now you're 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.040 susceptible to what a boom and there you go. And 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.879 that's what happened with boxes and people like throw punches. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.480 I did boxing when I first got to LA about 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.040 four years ago. I did boxing for a year and 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.720 I quit because I just realized this ain't me. I said, 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.480 it's hard, Frew three minute rounds and I'm talking about 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.520 like a minute in and I'm gassed, and I'm not 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.560 bouncing around like the little weight. And that's what a 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.679 mistaken first of with me. You know, I see everybody 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:30.840 else bouncing around. So I'm lad on my toes. And 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.880 my training was tell him to say, bro, he said, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.920 you're too big for all that. You two hundred and 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.560 fifty pounds. That's a lot of energy that you burning. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.040 So just staying flat footed, you know, and just you know, 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.639 you know, keep your hands up, you know, throw the punches. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:44.480 You know, I'm getting the mid I'm feeling good. You 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.000 don't get I'm shooting here. Give me one too, poop poom, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.560 give me one, two three for poop poop poop poom. Okay, 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.160 you know I'm doing all that. Man, not his seconds here. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.960 I'm spared. He's like, okay, you know, so my hands 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.840 dropping here touch me, Okay, that's a head and I 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:00.440 hit you on your arm. That have been your faint. 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.600 I was like, oh, okay, come up, so you know 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.240 what I'm saying. So he doing all that, So there's 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.879 a lot going in the boxing. Yeah. I think he 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.680 just underestimated him, you know, being a YouTuber, probably been 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.240 in their year. He figured he can just roll through him, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.720 and then it didn't working work in his favor. Swagging 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.879 peace swagging Pea had a response to your response. So 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.080 you are swagging pa, go getting getting the ring and 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:30.280 put the gloves on. Yah. No, hey, I had to 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:35.560 you see he didn't respond right whatever, Huh. I pulled 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.720 up on him. Boy, you bet not even go on 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.000 Instagram and try to chance to be no fight and 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.280 had them people looking at me because I ain't doing it. 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.520 We might as well just we might as well have 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:49.160 stablish stat right now. I'm not doing it. You won one, 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:54.680 and oh I gave up. I saw where Kobe you 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:56.200 follow him and made you in the big in the 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.280 fight game. I saw with Kobe Covington, he's always trying 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.440 to call out. He's a maga guy. He's always trying 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.840 to call out, especially black athletes that would protesting police 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.600 brutality by taking the knee. He called out Lebron and 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:12.440 says I would give King James half the amount of 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.359 time that it took the YouTube guy to do that. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:20.280 To Nate Robinson, what's your response to to him? They're 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.840 just chasing, They chasing the fame, you know there, you know, 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.440 you know you gotta remember some people, they're banking on 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.560 the response, right, that's all they care about. You know, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.760 he knows Lebron is not gonna fight him. Lebron is 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.119 not gonna fight anymore. He won't, but he needs their 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.840 response right to bump him up into that next category 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.680 of fame, you know. And some people, some people that's 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.480 all that, that's all they're on Instagram for. That is 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.520 because you gotta remember eating with Nate. You know, he's 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.480 three hundred and four hundred thousand followers, right, he challenges him, 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.560 he's millions now, right, you know, so I don't know work. 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.040 I mean, you know for those extra no, nine hundred 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.840 thousand to a million followers, you just took some lumps 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.560 for it, you know what. I looked at them last night. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.200 I was searching who has the most IG followers Christiano 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.840 Ronaldo has like two hundred and forty three million. I 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:16.879 think the Rock is next at two oh eight. I 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.119 think Selina Arianna Grande is at two o five. I 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.200 ain't taking no ass whipping for two hundwo o a 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:28.280 million followers. I'm good. I keep my little one point 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.400 eight building like five hundred a day. I'm good, gilt too, 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:37.160 I'm with you too. Oh, there's a trade that happened 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:42.920 John Wall Russell Westbrook, who won the trade? And why 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:51.480 both their contracts is up? And about two years three years, 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.320 about one hundred and thirty two million on both players right, 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.360 both players. Both players shoot about the same from the three. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.399 Both players shoot the same from about from the field. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.840 Both players have an injury history. One's coming off of 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.760 torn apl and achilles and the other guy has me 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.840 problem that's probably bone on bone. You know, it's it's 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.920 hard to it's it's hard to see who who won, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:23.880 because it's who meshes better. You Bill and Westbrook mesh 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.640 better than James Harden and west I mean and John Wall, 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.680 because that's all it comes down too. I mean, you 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.359 gotta say something about Westbrook because the fact that he 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:39.200 averaged twenty seven and ten and not really having a 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.000 ball as much as he used to kind of tells 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:46.800 you he gets it somehow, but he but he but 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.920 he wasn't happy, But he wants to get back to 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.480 playing like he played in O KC. Dominating. Because that's 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.240 why it's so hard to judge this, Because all three 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.919 guys are high used to guys. All three guys need 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.119 the ball in their hands in order to be effective. 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.439 And so Russ because John Wallace last year twenty eighteen, 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.400 he was second in time of possession with the ball 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.760 in his hand behind Hard, but Russ and Hard normally 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.960 goes back one two, one two. It's far usy. So 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.840 how do we know who's gonna mesh better when Baby 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.480 basically the same guy. I think Wizards win a little 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:28.399 bit on this one because even though Westbrook needs the ball, 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:34.560 he's not. He's not a bouncer. He doesn't he doesn't 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.240 need many dribbles to actually do what he's trying to do. 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:41.320 He gets, he gets right to the point you know 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.080 he's gonna take you off the dribble and score, take 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:45.920 you off the dribble and pass, and in fact that 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:50.480 Brady Bill can spot up and and and move without 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:55.040 the ball. Paul George played well with Westbrook that year, 0:23:55.760 --> 0:24:00.240 and Bill is kind of like a Paul George Hight 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:04.440 where he doesn't really need the ball to be effective 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.359 like that. So I think that all mess better than 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.840 two guys who need the pound. But because you look 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:13.120 at it, I think Rosbrook Westbrooks should probably average double 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.520 digit sifts because he has Burtan who can shoot, Bradley 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.119 Bill who can shoot, so he should, you know, he 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.840 should average double digit assists, you know, so funny both 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.000 of them probably gonna average double double digits assists because 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.240 the problem with Houston is when James just when when 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:36.160 when Harden is doing with Harden, does everyone else our Yeah? 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:41.119 But because because John wall has that point guard vision 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:46.560 a lot, Eric Gordon is gonna eat, you know, if p. J. 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:48.680 Tucker's there, He's gonna eat a little bit more. So, 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.280 John Waller is gonna be the pure point guard like 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:55.080 Chris Paul was. But the difference of is that John 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.480 Waller is a two masquerading Russell Westbrook is a two 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:01.880 masquerading The truth point guard is like a Chris Paul 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.800 or Rayjon Rondo. Most of the most of the point 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:09.200 guards today are two's masquerading at points, Kyrie Irvin, either 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.760 he's really a two masquerading at the point and how 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.240 what makes you so convinced that John wall is going 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:21.560 to mesh better with Harden than say Ruf Ruth or 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.480 c P three. Because you have to and what you 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.919 mean you have to You have to You gotta remember 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:32.360 just like anything, it's you're going into a new city, 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.040 you're going into a new prop. There's already a keen there. 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:40.040 You have to sacrifice. You have to sacrifice you you, 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.200 you know, just to survive. Sometimes you know you can't 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.320 go in there, you know, thinking you're gonna dominate that ball, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:53.160 like I mean, and I'm gonna say it Hardened, It's 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.720 gonna have to reevaluate how he plays the game. Thank you. 0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:05.120 I'm glad because you've don't had everyone. Now you didn't, 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.680 You didn't have everyone, and everyone has came and gone. 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.680 So is it them or is it you? Because think 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.320 about it, you had you wanted Chris Paul, but and 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.359 then you want didn't want Chris Paul. After year you 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.920 running Russ, and then you didn't want Russ. After a 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.400 year you had Dwight Howard, you had Clint Capella. I mean, 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.439 at some point in time, even Covid said it rested 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.520 soul before his death, he said, that's a great style 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.960 if you like, you know, he gonna put up phenomenal numbers. 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.080 But you can't win a championship like that. So do 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.960 you want to win a championship or do you want 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.320 to have be known as one of these elite scores 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.399 and be known one of these the best player never 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.080 to win a championship? Is it James Harden, Is it 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:48.920 Karl Malone? Is it Charles Barkley? Is that Patrick Ewing? 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.320 Because that's the road he's headed down, because there's no 0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:59.760 true offense, you know, with with the new owners coming 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.000 in and that's coming from Wall Street, right, you know, 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.639 and all they're doing is just crunching numbers on you know, 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:11.640 statistics on how the game should be played. You give 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.800 a guy who's a one on one player a whole 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.520 game of one on one when one on one is 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:26.120 the last four minutes when the game counts, the last 0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:27.960 five minutes of the ball. Yeah, that's where that's where 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:33.400 That's where James Harden Kyrie game, that's where you excel. 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.280 That's where you get to Okay, the offense. Everyone's keyed 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.320 in on the offense. You use your natural ability to 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:44.320 get us buckets right, not from not forty eight minutes 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.280 of it. And that's what the game is turned into, 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.080 forty eight minutes of a one on one style. So 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.800 when I look at the how his game is played, 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:57.080 I said, technically, he's the easiest person to guard, but 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:02.000 hard to guard because he's perfected this style, that step. 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.320 But but he doesn't. He doesn't at the back door, 0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.560 doesn't not a flair, doesn't know how to come up 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.159 with other he doesn't do anything without the ball. He 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:14.879 doesn't baseline run, he don't post up like you have 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:22.880 this great offensive guy who only has one offensive tool dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot, dribble, dribble, dribble, 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:26.520 step backble drive. You know you don't have a You 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:31.320 know you have no no complete offensive game where everyone 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:35.280 can actually eat. Are you surprised that the Clippers came 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.240 up short and all the rumblings you were hearing about 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.320 what transpired in the locker room and what ultimately may 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:46.080 have led to them not succeeding this past season? Oh no, No, 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.920 I knew they was. I knew they were terrible. Why 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.720 because even from the beginning, I said, they never established 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.400 who team this was. So what ends up happening is 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:00.160 you have a Clipper team the year before that, this 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.840 was a loose team, loose should have made the All 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:07.680 Star Game that year. And then you bring in two stars. 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.400 You got a team who don't We don't need you too, 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:17.200 we we just made the playoffs, right, games up, healthy 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.400 Golden State. Yeah, and then what ends up happening is YouTube. Come, 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:28.000 you guys are loading managing. We're holding it down. You 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.960 guys are getting a credit for it. We're holding it down. 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.280 You guys are sitting out of practice. We're holding it down. 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:40.959 You guys are all stars. Hold on. And because they 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:45.440 publicly never said, all right, this is how the team is, 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.960 this is this is who's the star, this is who's 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.640 gonna take the shots at the end, because that that 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:57.440 never was established. When it got the playoffs, that was 0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.160 gonna happen. See, everyone thought they were great, becau as 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.240 they beat the Lakers, but nobody paid attention to well 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.360 all four games. The Lakers was up fifteen points in 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.400 the first quarter and then they had to panic and 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.959 put in the two bench players, which that's all they had. 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.720 You got two starters, two bench players. So you're saying 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.200 they got the deepest bench in the league. No, no, no, no, 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.800 they got two players. That's averaging forty if you put 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:28.080 those two players as starters. They have no bench. So 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:32.280 the fact that they actually didn't have a real full roster, 0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:35.400 they were gonna get beat if you just shortened, if 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.880 you just shortened the possessions, because now you got four 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:39.920 lions trying to eat for trying to eat the same 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.880 neil I look at the Clippers, do you think the 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.480 leaders because Kawai never had to be a leader in 0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:50.080 San Antonio, Tim Duncan, Tony Parkamanu. When he went to Toronto, 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.480 Kyle Lowry was the leader. Paul George was not the leader. Okay, 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.880 see that was rough. So you really never had leaders 0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.800 and Kawhi style of leadership. And this is what I 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:03.840 help people, gil. Kawhi style of leadership is good as 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.480 long as you're winning, because Kawhi just wants to go 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.560 out there and who Kauhi is not gonna call a 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.920 team meeting. He's not gonna have the guys over and 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.280 talk and try to get through things. But the woman 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.239 you get, you get to that deep water. Now you now, 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.760 what do you do? You look over that k what 0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:24.120 just go? Now? Brought what you're gonna tell us? Am 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.840 I offer? No, no, no, you're you're you're you're correct, 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.400 like you know. And that that was the That was 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:35.600 the biggest issue that I seen because the leaders was 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.960 Brandon lou Will what was the leaders? You know? And 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.960 you got the you know, the Chicago doll. You know 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.520 Pat Bev. You know he's the one that gets him fired. 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.200 But you gotta remember it's them three in the rest 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:55.280 of the locker room versus these two. So when ship 0:31:55.440 --> 0:32:02.520 got clutchy, it's oh, do we really do we? Are 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:06.440 they really? Are they really the stars? Or is it us? 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.320 You know? And the thing it was the division. I 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.800 think the thing is it's one thing to know that 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:16.240 you have privileges and benefits. It's another thing to explore 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:20.000 those when you're okay, you can live wherever you want 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.800 to live. But that also means you gotta get up 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:24.960 earlier and get here to make sure you're on time 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.400 because when you show up late, Gil, the one thing 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.480 that I hated was for someone to be late because basically, 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.400 what you're telling me, Shannon, my time is more important 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.400 to yours, even though I know you had to get 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.400 up and get here on time. My time is way 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:39.800 more important. So I'm cool. And so they look like, 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.720 hold on, Doc, why you keep allowing this to happen. 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.160 Ain't nobody to tell him to move to San Diego? 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.720 So we gotta hold up the plane. Doc. Why you 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.040 keep saying that we need to practice, we need to 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.560 get together, but you let him sit our practice, You 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.920 let him miss the games. Why do you keep saying 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:56.880 what we need to do when all you need to 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.680 do is tell is but to practice. That's where to 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.600 lead your steps. And see, like on a team like 0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:04.720 that and you're coming in and you're you have a 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:08.080 low management that that's gonna happen. That should have been 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:11.080 talked about at the beginning, right. That's like you know, 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.360 on in my Wizard days, I wasn't leader of the team, 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:20.480 Larry Hughes, I was Kauhi. I play. You tell me 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.080 to hit hunt this person, I go give them business. 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.560 You tell me, hey, these they ain't getting the ball. Okay, 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:28.080 I give them the ball for a couple of possessions. 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.520 Then I'm going back attacking. You know that was Larry's 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:34.400 job to make sure everyone was happy, because my job 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.360 was to kill. That's all I knew. And then when 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:41.680 he left, then it was Antoine in Karan, Right, you 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:43.800 keep the locker room. That ain't my job. I come in, 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.760 I have fun, I do my job, and I go home, 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.480 you know. And that's why there was never no beef 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.400 with us. We knew who was who. Right, Yeah, I 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:58.440 might be the face, but you guys, you're the captain. 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.080 You guys on this, I'll be I'm the face up 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.320 here because I'm the sextiest out of the three. I'm 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:06.959 the one that's gonna be on the billboards and I'm 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.359 gonna gona get the big money. But as a unit, 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:13.600 we're moving how you guys want us to move? Do 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.439 you think that Paul George coming in and thinking he's 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:20.400 a superstar And okay, maybe you can understand Kawhi is 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.120 the two time Finals MVP, he's a two time Defensive 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.239 Player of the Year, he's a many time first team 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.040 All NBA player, so you know him getting certain privileges. Okay, 0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.840 you understand that, But the guys are looking at Paul Georgiana. 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.759 Hold on, PG, Wait a minute, brun, when did when 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.319 did you become Lebron James, When did you become one 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.840 of these, you know, one of these historically great players 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.600 that you'll get the lower manage, that you'll get the 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.640 call shots about practice at some point. You know, as 0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:53.360 an organization, you got two responsibility too, you know, because 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.080 you do have two stars coming in. You know, Paul 0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.880 George coming on with two shoulder surgeries, right, so with 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.560 two soldier surgeries, I'm pretty sure he didn't get the 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.719 really train the way he's used to training in the 0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.960 summer because of it. You got Kawhi Leonard who load 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:15.000 management that whole next year that should have been established 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.320 before this season started. But you gotta remember there was 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:22.120 gonna be animosity anyway because you got you got two 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:27.560 guys who are carrying a load. But these two are 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:33.080 getting all the credit, right so you know, but you 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.320 have to be aware of your surroundings too, as Kawhi 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:41.120 and Paul George, you gotta understand that, hey, we're gonna 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.880 have to give these two some credit publicly, right. You know, 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:49.080 we can't keep taking all the we can't keep everyone's 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.800 cheering us on and we know what they're doing. You know, 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.680 you you you gotta be able to understand the la. Yeah, 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.759 you know, Lou and Trace has been holding it down 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.239 while we've been taking some break. And you know that's 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:05.000 what makes us special, Like in that right there stops 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.000 a lot of envious you know, tension in the locker room. Yeah, 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.160 because I think the thing is what happens is if 0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.359 you get guys that are that established, that have been 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:15.840 there and have had a certain level of success, not 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.480 the success that Kauai I've had as a team or 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.160 as an individual. I think guy's become resentful in that 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:24.560 they see what you're doing, what you're getting credit for, 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.279 but you ain't practicing. You every third or fourth game 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.960 and everybody's talking about we're winning because of you. But 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.120 we play every game. We play every game, and you 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.400 sub yourself in and out when you want to, you 0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:44.359 practice when you won't to, if ever, and what how 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:49.239 that takes a special person to understand that, right And 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:53.480 you know, I remember when I went by the same 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:58.440 logic when Kobe said he wants to know, like, forget 0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:02.359 the opponents, I want to know my players to the team, right, 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:04.520 you know, I want to know how they take I 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.360 don't know how they move, how they like their shots. 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.280 How they clink. Like you have to know your players 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.759 better than your opponents, right, so you would you would 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.520 know how Trass feels. You would know how Lou feels. 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.160 So you know when they give them credit, right you know, 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.880 and and and and and those are the like I remember, 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.319 like when you have that bad game but you win 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.439 and you say, yeah, great team win. Deep down you're mad, 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.480 like you know they not that they they can do 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.759 without me. And that's where that great team win. That 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.680 you know. That's but instead of saying great team, when 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:43.600 you point out the people who at who had great games, 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.000 you gotta remember if you're the face, you're the leader, 0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.840 they care more about what you say than what the 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.000 media is gonna write, right, you know, So you you know, 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.680 as players, you gotta understand these little things. These little 0:37:56.760 --> 0:38:00.000 things are just communicating can stop a lot of problems 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:04.799 and stop a lot of breakups in organizations. Everybody can't 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:08.040 play with historically great player because one thing you know 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.719 is gonna happen that when you win, they're gonna get 0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.759 the credit, and when you lose, they're gonna give the blame. 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.080 They're gonna say the bench that the role players didn't 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.239 show up. That's just what it's always been like, that 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.719 magic magic when with the exception of maybe a game 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.479 here there, Magic wasn't gonna get any blame, Koban Shack 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.480 weren't gonna get any blame. But Rick Fox and Fishing 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:29.719 all those other guys. And you know, if you play 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:34.080 with Lebron, this high goes. So basically goes Lebron and 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.239 a D and then everybody else you gotta roll to. 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:41.319 You gotta role to feel, You've got to feel that role. 0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:45.000 But I think Lebron does a great job of Okay, guys, 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.200 we're going out to eat. Okay, guys, we're gonna get 0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:51.560 together room, we're gonna have PlayStation tournaments or guys. He 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.520 does a great job of not just being a great 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:58.640 basketball player, but being a great as far as team building, 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:02.279 the in the locker room. Because people don't realize how 0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:05.440 far chemists will go. Yeah, that is the most That 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:11.600 is the most important, you know, aspect of just just winning, yes, 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:15.920 being great teammates is have any relationship outside of that court, 0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:19.120 because what ends up happening is if we have a 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:24.800 friendship outside of that basketball court, whatever happens on the court, 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:27.960 it stays on the court, right, it stays there. So 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:32.320 you know, you you you might have something and I 0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.880 yell out something, you take it personal, correct, you know. 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.720 But if we don't have a friendship and that happens, 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.239 it rolls over. Yeah, I'm looking at you side with 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.719 who do you think you're talking to? Yeah? All right, 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.239 that's you know, full five games. You know, I ain't 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.760 pass you the ball, you know, but but Lebron's doesn't. 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:55.840 Has done a great job of bringing teammates together, like 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.600 you know, including everybody, you know, so whatever happens on 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.919 the court, it's not personal. Like even with j R. Smith. 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.120 We all you know that j R. Smith for the 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:09.359 dumb Les, never said one batman, we did it for him. Yes, yes, 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:14.240 you know, because he knows this was just a moment. 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:18.200 Our friendship posts tighter than this moment. Do you believe 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.080 that's what happened in Golden State when when Draymond said 0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:25.040 what he said to KD. Do you believe because they 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:29.440 weren't per se friends off the court, that that spilled over? 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:32.200 Or was what was it what he said? Not so 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:37.520 much that he's in what he said. Now what he's 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:42.600 said is meaningless because we hear that all the time. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.040 That's just we're gonna hear that from twenty five opponents. 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.480 He's probably said it a hundred times. But the problem 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.759 comes down to this, because he is the new guy 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:58.640 there and they've already established who's the leader of the group. 0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.439 So you got Draymond as the leader of the group, 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.759 Craig and then everyone else's players. So if you if 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:10.040 you look at the history of Golden State's time together, 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:17.319 they never actually established who was the go to guy. 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.800 We knew step Curry's the best player, he's the MVP, 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.959 but nobody actually like paid attention to well the fact 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:30.279 that these guys have actually set in four thirty fourth 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:36.319 quarters full fourth quarters, that means they've never actually had 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:41.640 experience in close quarter matches. So what ends up happening 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:45.359 is Draymonds was used to getting the ball, taking off 0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.160 and making that plate if they ever actually got in 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:50.879 that moment. There was never no given to step Let's 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:52.880 run a place. So if you ever looked at Golden 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:57.040 State last two minute basketball and close games, they were horrible. 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:00.560 They were horrible because they were rarely in the moments. 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:04.359 So when Katie comes, So when Katie comes, he's used 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.000 to those moments. So He's like, give me that ball, 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:11.120 and Draymond takes off turnover and right there the perfect 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:14.000 storm hit. I feel that that was the moment that 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.680 they couldn't come back because I think kadpat Draymond said 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.399 because he said he called it that and say you've 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:22.520 been that said, you know we didn't need you, We 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:27.400 wont before you got here. Because now angry people, drums 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:30.719 and kids will normally tell you the truth guilt. Yeah. 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:35.239 So but I remember they played against each other, so 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:39.640 he didn't heard it from Draymond anyway. The media said 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:43.000 in anyway, So he's doesn't hurt it all anyway. It's 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:48.239 just it's just the perfect storm hit those two. Draymond's 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:52.640 used to doing it his way, Katie's used to doing 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:56.240 this his way, and when when it clashed, it clashed 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.120 in the wrong way. Yeah, but it hit different when 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.680 your boys, I mean, somebody outside it ain't something. But 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:02.799 when your boy called you that, that's a little different. Yeah, 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.280 that ain't hit different. Oh no, it do hit different. 0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.120 But if if they had a friendship, like I mean, listen, 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:12.399 I have teammates knock on my door, you know after 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:14.960 games because of stuff I said on the court, right 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:19.760 I didn't answer the door, but they knocked. I figured 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.839 once they go to sleep and wake up, be cool again, 0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.319 so I just let it. But here's the thing, where 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.120 they friends or where their acquaintances or did KD? Did 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.359 KD come there for a specific purpose and to get 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:33.879 on because I never felt Kady was gonna retire Golden 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.120 State Warrior. I thought he came there to do what 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.399 he did, get those rings, get that monkey off his back. 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.640 So you can no longer say Kevin Durant is the 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.040 best players never won a championship and that was it. 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.520 He was gonna bounce. I never thought Kady was gonna 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.000 spend the restue. No, no, no, you had and I 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:51.439 don't you know when Kady decided he was gonna leave, 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.279 No one really put the thought into it. No one 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.840 really said, all right, what would you do in this situation? 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.759 So we if you, if you took a look at 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.919 his stats and said, all right, what would I do here? 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:12.239 You got four scoring tigers, MVP, three All Star MVPs. 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:16.279 I mean you, as a Hall of Fame player first 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:20.040 ballot by the age of twenty eight. The only thing 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:23.920 you didn't have was a finals MVP and an NBA Championship. 0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.400 That's the only thing as an offensive player that you 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:30.839 needed off your bucket list. And this team right now 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.640 is gonna can give you both of them because you 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:38.520 can go to Cleveland. You can go to Cleveland. You 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.839 can go to Cleveland. But they said, now we're good, 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:45.399 we were keeping our team. Next up is going to State. 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:48.360 He only he only had two teams to go to Cleveland, 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:51.399 to go to State where he can knock that off 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.719 right there. Utter than that, nobody was in position to 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.400 beat those two teams. So what's your early condition of 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:07.480 twenty twenty one back to back? Really, doctor Matt? What 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.480 about the next They got Kyrie, they got Lavert, they 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.400 got kd they got Den with It, they got Jared Allen, 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:17.719 they got u Joe Harris, they got Tyler Johnson. They 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.759 got a nice squad over there. They listen. I watched them. 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:26.399 I watched them for two weeks. They playing amazing, They're 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:36.040 working together amazing. But let's not forget Lebron and that 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:42.200 Cleveland squad. We whatever that team was that went last 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.799 place after he left. Remember you know they went THEYD 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:50.640 last Yeah, after he left, locking up against Katie Curry 0:45:51.760 --> 0:46:00.839 Clay Draymond right, fold fold juggernauts. There's only two now 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.800 and and he and he and he got help. So 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.239 unless they're gonna get unless they gonna get hard in 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:11.120 Westbrook over there. I don't, I don't. I don't see it, 0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:15.920 not in seven games. M that I think that's the 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.480 matchup everybody would love to see. No, it'd be a 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:24.000 good matchup. But you gotta remember Lebron himself takes he 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:29.240 takes out at least two stars. You know, Kevin kd 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:33.560 is gonna he's gonna match him point wise. But the 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.839 little things you know Lebron does is what keeps him 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:39.560 a little bit over Kadi when it comes to as 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.200 a player. And then now you're gonna have to match 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:46.279 and Davids up and Kyrie is not gonna be able 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.439 to match that play. So you so Lakers is gonna edge, 0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:56.040 but it's gonna be a battle Yannis. What does Yannis 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:59.560 need to do to win the championship? Learn how to 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:04.719 play basketball? So you can't hear rule step everything for 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:10.239 the free thrower. I mean you you you you to 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:13.600 be honest. He's the James Harden of the West Coast, 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.520 I mean of the East coast. But James Harden is 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.440 in the West, is what Jannis is There? You have 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:25.279 a guy who's not the point guard who dominates the ball, 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:30.319 and he's playing one style, and that style is I'm 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.800 gonna try to take all my all the all the 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.960 big man who can't move off the dribble year onto 0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.839 the step and get some dunks. That is amazing during 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.920 the regular season. When that's small, when that court gets small, 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:46.359 you cannot do that anymore, Right, you can't, you can't 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:50.279 play that. You can't play that style. And like he's 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:55.239 like t boat but not in the red zone. Right, no, no, no, 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:56.880 you gotta no, no, no, You're gonna have to make 0:47:56.920 --> 0:48:01.640 some actual plays before you get here. Like I know 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.360 you're good here, are you good? When nothing? When you 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.600 don't have to think no, no, we're gonna bring you 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.719 back here. Let's let's get you to that point. So 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.800 when when the small, when the court gets small, that 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:16.560 style doesn't work. So what do you think it? Obviously, 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:18.640 So what would you tell him to work on? Because 0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.719 I think until he can shoot a fifteen foot jumper consistently, 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:23.640 until he can shoot better from the three, and then 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.040 he's terrible at the file line. So basically is he 0:48:26.160 --> 0:48:28.520 the dunks of layoups. Yeah, he's gonna need to get 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:32.640 back to the basket where they can actually double them. 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:37.319 You gotta remember it. To utilize your shooters, someone has 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.920 to be double, right. So if you're if your style 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:45.160 is drive, hero spin dunk, and you decide to pass it, well, 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:48.920 those guys are still guarded. So now your shooters are 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:51.160 not getting easy batter He's like, it's like Blake Griffin 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.520 because you were so used to playing this style. When 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.880 it counts, no one else gets to eat. So unless 0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:59.920 he learns how to play back to the basket where 0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:04.239 when he gets the ball, teams are actually shifting. Now 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.640 now now, now Middleton hit three threes. Now you gotta 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.760 play you one on one. Now you can go score. 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.799 Now you can do those little things. But Holiday kind 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:14.480 of helps him a lot. He helps him a lot. 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:19.880 Let's talk about your NBA career. What what are you 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:24.480 most proud of That I got to live on my 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:30.640 my my childhood dream. You know, I grew up a fan, 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:38.759 and you know I got I got to live and 0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:44.560 play this game from a fan standpoint. So I enjoyed 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.880 every bit of it. I enjoyed signing an autograph, taking 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:52.160 the pictures, doing the hell happy birthday, shaking everybody's hands, 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.840 like that's what I enjoyed, taking my jersey off, throwing it, 0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.279 watching the kids go crazy, like I enjoyed all of it. 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.560 What would you do differently? Or do you think your 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:09.360 career into prematurely? You know, not not? You know what 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:13.600 I would What I would do differently is like take 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:21.279 the injury I had serious, Like, you know, when you 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:24.880 get injured, you're you're you're put on you're put on pause. 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.440 You know. So going into a summer where you know 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.879 you're you don't kill you don't you you you don't 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:37.839 stepped into another realm of play, you know, and you're 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:42.680 trying to get better. You're trying to get better, you know, 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.240 you're trying to catch the Kobe and the Steve Nash. 0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:51.200 And it's like, I want to train this rehab stuff 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:52.880 that can wait. I don't know what y'all trying to do, 0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.800 these little these little movements that ain't that, ain't that, 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:57.759 ain't gonna get that, ain't gonna get me forty at night. 0:50:57.800 --> 0:50:59.560 I don't know what y'all doing here, you know. So 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.319 I didn't take that serious and end up having three 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:09.560 knee surgeries in fourteen months. You carry tory a cl right, 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:14.320 no mcl pcl meniscus, Michael fracture. Yeah, oh yeah. So 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:16.799 basically you're like bone on bone at that point in time. 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:19.440 Now I had a little bit. I had a little bit, 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:24.759 a little yeah. Right, you go to the Bay, you 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.440 start out in the Bay, and then you go to 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:33.759 DC with after Michael leaves. What was the culture like 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.480 in the locker room after Michael left? Because I know 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:47.120 you've heard stories, Okay, so you know what, so this actually, 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.600 this would make it make sense everything that my contract, 0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:52.520 all of it would make it make sense. Okay. So 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:57.680 I'm in Costa Rica when everything went sour with Michael 0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:01.080 Jordan's Okay, so I think they was like this little gray, 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.640 this little this little thing going around where no free 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:10.200 agents is supposed to go to Washington. So so when 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:12.400 I get off, you know, and I'm getting offered, you know, 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:17.439 I think I was. I was second. I think, yeah, 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.440 Lamar Odom was the number one free agent. I was 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:24.920 number two. So I was, you know, talking with Miami. 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.800 They were they were gonna draft. They just drafted Dwayne 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.160 Wade and they didn't know if they were gonna put 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:34.719 him at the one, try him at the one, and 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.560 they didn't. You know, pat Rody said, I don't believe 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:40.840 in paying young players. Clippers they were being forced to 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:44.000 pay because they had all this money and all these 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:50.520 free agents. Utah, I didn't want to follow John Stockton, 0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.400 who just retired. That wasn't my game. I felt my 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:58.239 career would die me trying to you know, do me. 0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:02.560 That's what they didn't use for twenty something years. So 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:10.200 it was basically Washington DC and Clippers. And what ends 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:15.439 up happening is I think I went to go visit. 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:18.760 I went to go visit in a poland said, because 0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:20.879 that was my dad. What happened? Were you with Michael Jordan? 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.080 And he told him. He said, you know, I didn't 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:26.759 like the way he was talking to the team, you know, 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:28.839 the way he was treating the team. I asked all 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:31.920 the players do they want him back? And the player said, though, 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:34.560 so I had to reneague on the deal that I 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:38.360 did with with mj And you know, you know, I 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:42.000 felt I felt bad, but you know, it's the team. 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.200 You know, I did what the team wanted me to do. 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.640 So it was like okay, and then you know, and 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:53.359 he was like, listen, if you come here, whatever we had, 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.279 whatever we get, it's yours. Just get me out of this, 0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:01.839 z MJ. Horror. You can be the you're the face. 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:04.200 You'd be the face. We don't have a face here. 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:06.600 We have you know, Clint Porters. But you know, you 0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:08.400 can be a real you can be a real starting, 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:11.640 he said, we have Clint Porters, you know he's a start, 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.759 but you can be a real star with your personality, 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.600 with your play. You know, the city is really trying 0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.000 to figure out who to grap on. Nobody that store has, 0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:23.640 that store has never been told. What transpired between mister Polian, 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:27.920 the former owner of the Wizards, and Michael Jordan is 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:30.280 that he said he didn't like the way he talked 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:32.840 to the to his teammates, to the to the to 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:37.640 the to the players. It was you know, listen, player 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:39.520 and a player personnel because he was in charge of 0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:42.200 you know, drafted players and he was also a teammate 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.359 and with also playing. Yeah, so you know when MJ 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:49.399 comes down to play, he's he's he's Michael Jordan. It's 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.759 not you know, it's not general manager Michael Jordan, it's 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.680 the player. Michael Jordan. So that player Michael Jordan. Have 0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:57.520 you seen the last dance? That's the Michael Jordan, right, 0:54:57.880 --> 0:55:00.640 you know, he's gonna pushing, pushing, you know, he's gonna 0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:03.960 be competitive. Well, a bunch of eighteen nineteen twenty they 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.400 don't understand that. They can't take that, you know. So 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:08.680 you know that's what they were crying, like, oh man, 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.480 if that's the way he talked to us, then what 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:14.080 happens if he's our boss, We're never gonna be able 0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:16.359 to you know. And that was and that was a thing. 0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:19.120 And you know, mister Poland, you know, made his decision. 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.600 You know. So when when when I decided to come, 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:27.960 my whole thing was I have one job to do 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:33.600 and he has my back, right, my job is to 0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:39.640 make it less MJ talk did it when you signed? 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:41.319 Did MJ call you and say, man, what they here? 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.080 You do? And I thought we had they had him 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.480 agreement that you weren't gonna go there. No, no, no, 0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:48.680 no no. That was like we didn't have the agreement. 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:51.759 That was like the rumor that I heard, like you like, 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:54.120 nobody's supposed to be going to Washington because I'm like, man, 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:58.240 Washington ain't got nobody, you know, Brian uh, Brian Russell 0:55:58.360 --> 0:56:01.800 just opted out. So it the cap up, you know. 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:06.120 So I'm like, I can, really I can. I mean, 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:09.200 he said he's gonna have him a back, you know. 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:10.719 You know, if he said he's gonna have a back, 0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:13.919 he's gonna have a back, you know. So so I came, 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:18.680 I did my thing, and this is how I got 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:23.040 paid one to eleven. Ernie Grunfield. When I was when 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:26.000 we were negotiate, I had three surgeries already, I didn't 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:28.719 know I had two, and I decided I was gonna 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:35.080 opt out. Ernie Grunfield negotiated his ass off. I'm not 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:38.040 gonna lie like. It was one of those where I 0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:40.040 knew I didn't have any leverage because I had two 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:44.000 knee knee surgeries. I didn't only play two games. So 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:47.839 I decided I was gonna have my agent zero tour 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:52.360 start July one, right free, the first day free agency. 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.520 So if I didn't like the way this was going, 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.200 I can go out of the country. Now you guys 0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:59.160 are gonna have to wait and then watch the rest 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:02.359 of the free agency. Someone's gonna panic and then now 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.239 so now someone's gonna be trick to give me some money. 0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:10.920 So what ends up happening is the first the first 0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:16.560 domino was Baron Davis opts out and Golden State gets 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:21.520 all this money. So, uh, rumor, rumor hits my phone, 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:27.360 A rumor I hit. I look. Bertie said, hey, Golden 0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:30.560 State at twelve o'clock, it's gonna offer you five years, 0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:33.560 one hundred and one million dollars. And I was like, 0:57:34.600 --> 0:57:36.040 all right, but I man, it's like, man, I just 0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:43.720 bought a house, five million dollar house. What a helicopter? Hey? 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:47.360 All right, So you know I'm going into the meeting 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:51.000 all cocky. What's having to y'all? What was happening? You know? 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:54.320 And you know, Ernie does this spill? You know, you 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.800 did great for the city. You know, you know they 0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:00.160 love you here, We love you here, and you know 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:03.880 we think you deserve it. And you know, push that 0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:08.600 contract to me, you know, smiling baby, you know. And 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.480 I seen and I'm not gonna lie. It was six years, 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:16.240 eighty six million, like I had to, like you know 0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.560 how you like like rub your eye because I thought 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:19.920 it was a one mission. I thought it was it 0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:23.320 was you know, one eight, one hundred and eighty six million, 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:27.680 eighty six like whoa, this is this must be Antoine's money. 0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:29.280 This is you might have a wrong check. This is 0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:32.600 this is when Antoine's trying to get this. Ain't like, 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:36.280 yeah I'm in a hundred. I think I'm in a 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:38.560 hundred and twenty hundred twenty something like that. This is 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:40.480 eight eight. This is who are you off? A little bit? 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:44.960 And he was like and I was like, I don't 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:48.440 mean to be rude, but already I'm I'm gonna get 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:52.440 the max from Golden State. Baron Davis is opted out. 0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:57.800 So they actually hold on, did the research and realize 0:58:57.840 --> 0:58:59.680 he opted out. So I said, you know, on that note, 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:02.120 you know, I gotta get up early in the morning. 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.560 I gotta go fly to China do my tour. And 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:07.840 they're like, when you come back? I said, July eleventh, 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.640 and it's like wait what. I was like, yeah, July eleventh, 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.880 I'm gonna come back. So I'm gonna sit and think about, 0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:15.600 you know, the two offers that I have. I got 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.640 the eighty six million hid and then I got the 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.520 one hundred and one for five years. Woke up in 0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:24.920 the morning, phone rings a poland hey, listen, do not 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:29.040 worry about nothing that had happened earlier this morning. I 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:33.640 just found out. No, no, no, the max is yours. Whatever. 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:36.120 The max is one hundred, twenty hundred and fifty two hundred, 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:39.520 whatever it is, it is yours. That's your money. You 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:43.520 earned it. I told you when you came. You you you, 0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:46.000 you helped me out of this Jordan situation. I was 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:50.320 gonna take care of you here. It is max is yours. 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:53.800 You do with it how you see fit. Do not 0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.120 worry about what they offer you, because that was not me. 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:01.120 You want a hundred thirty, you want one hundred and fifty. 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:04.680 I gotta write your personal check. Let me know, because hey, 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:08.560 you're gonna be the last contract I side. Wow. And 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:14.560 and that was that was our conversation. Man. So mister 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:17.680 Paulian was good to you. He was. He was great. 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:19.800 When you said, he hit your back from the beginning. 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.240 He had your back to the end. Yeah, he did 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:25.160 not like knee. I don't care if you play one. Hey, 1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:27.400 I don't care if you played one game, full thousand games. 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:32.040 You're gonna be the last contract outside you're my guy. Wow. 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:35.560 So you know, so I took one eleven, so my 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:38.920 max was one twenty seven. So I took one eleven 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:42.360 to save sixteen million for free agents or Antoine, who 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:47.880 was also up right, that's awful. Nice to you. Yeah, 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:51.320 hey listen, hey, the man blessed me with whatever you want. 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:55.120 I gotta, I gotta, I gotta feed too, because the 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.480 thing is normally normally Kobe, I think Kobe. I think 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:01.840 Kobe said this. Kobe said, yes, I'm a millionaire, But 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:04.800 why would I give a billionaire discount because they don't 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:07.880 give anybody discount. But for you to do that so 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:10.720 someone else get an opportunity to eat, I think you 1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:12.680 should be commended for that. I thank you, foolish, but 1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:15.520 you should be commended. Yea. But the committed comes from 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.439 the owner. I had a relationship with the owner. Yes, yeah, 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:22.400 you know, just like anybody. Hey listen, there's there's someone 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:24.360 who writes that check, and then there's a whole bunch 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:27.320 of people in the middle of them. I don't want 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.080 to I don't care about the people in the middle. 1:01:29.080 --> 1:01:31.200 I want to know who that check right is, and 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.760 that's who I'm talking to. How you doing, because when 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.680 it's time to sign a contract to be traded, I 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:40.920 want to be a person, not a name on the sheet. Right, 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:43.440 you know what I mean, like, oh, you crunch your 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:46.240 numbers and say we don't need you. Hey, mister poland, 1:01:46.240 --> 1:01:48.160 how you doing? Are you jogging? I'm gonna head a 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:51.280 jog with you. Was how you doing? So when my 1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:54.320 knees went out, Hey, I'm not worried about none of 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:58.320 that kned stuff. Here's that money. Thank you. You had 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:03.680 great success, You go to the playoffs, you play I 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:05.840 think you play Lebron twice in your in your three 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:08.040 year run in when you made the playoffs, right, I 1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:11.040 played him one helpet one and then a half for 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:14.600 hurt one. Okay, And that was kind of like his 1:02:14.720 --> 1:02:18.760 coming out party because those that that series, he just 1:02:19.120 --> 1:02:23.720 he just goes off. Yeah. Did you obviously you were 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:27.080 in the league when he got drafted. Did you ever 1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:30.840 think watching him being that he would be where he 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:35.680 is now? Yes? I remember I made a comment to 1:02:35.720 --> 1:02:38.160 one of my teammates and I said, this is two 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:44.000 thousand things, like two thousand four or five seasons. Okay. 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:48.960 I said, he's gonna go down as top three greatest 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:55.080 of all time and never taps into his real real ability, 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:59.560 as I said, because he doesn't have to. That's how 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:03.800 dominate this man is gonna be that he's never gonna 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:08.800 have to to tap into of what is in that body. 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:14.520 Because I watched something that I didn't see and it 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.080 came from an eighteen ninety year old kid, as I 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:19.360 wrote it on my Instagram. Where I'm at the house, 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:24.280 we're playing cards, and him in Savannah. They're sitting there. 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.520 You know, you got Richie, you know, all the same crew, 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:31.960 he has the same same team and having all the 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:39.840 same team and he's sitting there just like just watching sports. 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:43.600 Like I mean when I say what detail like watching 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:47.480 every knowing everything, knowing this this girl soccer, who's the 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:50.120 best player, who should win? Like it was like it 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:56.120 I'm like playing cards but watching and it was a computer. 1:03:57.480 --> 1:03:59.840 He was a computer. And then the following year when 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:02.120 we playing HM in the playoffs, went over there because 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.320 you know, it's chest down. I want I want to 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.720 see what what's going on? You know, I'm you know, 1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:09.480 I'm I want to peek under the hood y'all playing card. 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:12.280 Let's play some cards. You know they over there breaking 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:15.240 down plays. You know this that you know got the 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:20.480 film I'm watching. I'm watching our plays. Mothers know everything 1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:24.919 over here. Huh, man, I just okay, I can see 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:30.640 what's going on, and I'm watching this man just study, study, study, understanding. 1:04:30.880 --> 1:04:36.360 So what everybody's hearing now, I invent that, Yo. He 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:39.080 knows everything that's going on in that court. He knows 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:42.040 what everyone's supposed to be. He knows, he knows if 1:04:42.080 --> 1:04:44.520 the play is real, the play is faith. He knows 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:51.160 exactly what is expired all through that game. Yo. Why 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:54.040 do you think it's so hard for the older guard 1:04:54.680 --> 1:05:00.520 to give this man the credit that he deserves. I mean, 1:05:00.560 --> 1:05:02.960 you see so many people, well, he's not top ten, 1:05:03.480 --> 1:05:06.160 or he's not this, and he did this, he last. 1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:08.800 You know, it's always no matter what he does, it 1:05:08.920 --> 1:05:11.880 always goes back to, well, but he couldn't have played 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:14.080 in my generation, or he couldn't have done this, or 1:05:14.520 --> 1:05:17.520 everybody's afraid of Lebron. It still said, the man is great. 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:20.680 He'd be great in any generation, because I don't know 1:05:20.840 --> 1:05:24.160 how many in the fifties, sixties and seventies sixty nine 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:27.280 two hundred and sixty pound guys could handle the ball 1:05:27.320 --> 1:05:31.760 could do what he could do. Because everyone takes evolution 1:05:31.800 --> 1:05:36.920 out of it. No one wants to believe. Everyone believes 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:39.720 that their error was the Golden era. Like you know, 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:41.920 if if you go down the line, look at rap. 1:05:42.880 --> 1:05:46.120 They don't like the new wave through the way before that, 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:49.480 they didn't like that wave. That's just you know, uh 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:52.840 Ran next reflex, he didn't like the jay z here. 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:57.040 Like It's just it's just it's the competitiveness of it, 1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:00.360 you know, even though it's like, well then it's man, 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:03.320 I mean you was a great defensive player. You did this, 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:08.120 but you were you were six seven, two ten, right, bro, 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:12.800 those are point guards now, yes, you know, we're we're bigger, 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:16.320 we're stronger, we're fast. You know that's just however, but 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:18.920 you I mean, you're gonna have your your guys that 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.000 that no matter where you dropped the mat, you dropped 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:26.240 Magic Johnson in, he's still he's still a six nine 1:06:26.280 --> 1:06:29.160 point guard. That's still not in this era. You know. 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:31.880 So you're gonna you still got your Michael Jordan's right, 1:06:32.400 --> 1:06:34.560 you know. So you got guys who can go through 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:37.120 from older rors in too. But there's some guys who 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:40.600 shouldn't be talking right. You know, you you're six four 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:44.120 and you was a sinner. Let that let that go, 1:06:44.400 --> 1:06:46.680 let that dream go, you know. So I just think 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:51.200 that they can't accept the fact that low it's a 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:57.800 different game. But today we're one hundred times more skilled 1:06:58.760 --> 1:07:02.840 because of rule change, because of evolution then you guys were. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:07.640 That's just how it is. You score fifty four on 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:10.840 the suns, and many believe it was because of the 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:15.240 way Mike D'Antoni treated you on the national team. If 1:07:15.280 --> 1:07:21.000 I'm not mistaken, he took you off the team with 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:24.640 that personal Okay, I'll be honest. Story tell a story. 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:30.600 I'm gonna be honest with you. Mike D'Antoni didn't do nothing, Okay, okay, 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:33.960 But but I couldn't go back to college to to 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:38.560 talk to coach Mike, right, you know, well I needed 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:40.880 to talk to him. So what ends up happening is 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:45.920 when I make the team and I got selected, I called. 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:48.800 I called coach. I think it was fourth of July. 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:51.760 So I wish him happen fourth to July. You know, 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:56.640 can't wait, you know, to try outs and you know, 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.400 whatever you need for me. You know, hey, I'm willing 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:02.920 to do right. You gotta remember, at this time, on 1:08:03.080 --> 1:08:07.480 this team, there's only three players that's two time All Star, 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:14.320 two time All NBA. That's me, Lebron and Dwayne Wade. Okay, 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:19.719 so we're trying. We're going through our day. Boom boom boom. 1:08:20.120 --> 1:08:22.720 Now this is the part that irritated the hell out 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:27.160 of me. So they got they started union. I'm not 1:08:27.280 --> 1:08:30.439 in it. That's cool. I'm cool with that, you know. 1:08:30.560 --> 1:08:34.320 I you know, I can sacrifice for the better man. So, 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:38.080 but my unit, my team is this so we can 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:42.880 so we can see how this plays. I have Kirk 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:45.679 Hinrich as a point. They got me at the two. 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:58.280 I have Brad Miller, Antoine, Shane Battier. I think that 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:00.880 was it. It was it was it was the It 1:09:01.080 --> 1:09:06.200 wasn't Lebron. So the other team is Lebron Boss Dwhite, Howard, 1:09:06.800 --> 1:09:10.479 Joe Johnson, Chris Paul. So that's all one unit with 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:18.320 the second unit whooping their ass. I'm whooping their ass 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:22.240 because they got to play his own Oh yeah, So 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:24.880 kirkis just give me them all. Just oh I eat, 1:09:24.960 --> 1:09:28.080 I eat through all this red here this because this 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:32.680 was like a personal challenge for me, because this is 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.680 where I'm trying to like, like, I just missed the 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:38.240 free throws and Lebron so I'm on a whole another 1:09:38.320 --> 1:09:41.240 wave of mentality. Anyway, I just I just came from 1:09:41.280 --> 1:09:45.160 training in San Francisco with the black Ops guy named Frank, 1:09:46.880 --> 1:09:48.760 So he don't got the mental right, he got the 1:09:48.840 --> 1:09:54.479 confidence right. And what ends up happening is I'm playing 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:58.519 against the best five the world can get me. Right now, 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:03.080 this is the best five that I'm gonna be playing against, 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:06.840 and I'm about I'm about to put him to the bricks. 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:09.600 So we'll go to twenty one. I got seventeen, I 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:13.960 got eighteen, Like I'm really dominating because I have to. 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:16.519 I don't. I don't have the scores on my team. 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:20.040 So basically my whole group is running the offense through me. 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:23.120 So Kirk was smart enough. Kurt like, yo, hey, just 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:25.800 I'm gonna get you. Just do what you do. So 1:10:26.280 --> 1:10:30.759 we're we're we're we're testing this group and I remember 1:10:30.800 --> 1:10:38.040 wearing South Korea and it's it's hot in the gym. 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:41.320 I mean, they're dunking like I'm thinking I'm Lebron James 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:44.320 the way I was jumping and feeling good. And I 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:46.559 remember I'm playing in the game. We're playing a game 1:10:47.479 --> 1:10:51.799 and he puts me in and I scored three straight buckets. 1:10:51.880 --> 1:10:56.679 Pop Pop Pop here this sub I know he ain't 1:10:56.680 --> 1:10:59.160 seven me. I just got in about two minutes ago 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:04.320 and I can get the tap of right, Like so 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:08.240 I run off the court. Cool, all right, it's like, man, 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:11.840 you killing boy but yeah, light and lit the way up, 1:11:14.200 --> 1:11:17.439 we're blowing. Were blowing him out. Everybody gets something at 1:11:17.439 --> 1:11:20.679 the end of the game, but me and I'm sitting 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:26.760 here like, yo, right, I do something wrong? This man 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:30.120 like like like what's going on? Like like I'm really 1:11:30.240 --> 1:11:32.320 like like this was like this was like a bit 1:11:32.400 --> 1:11:34.760 like yo, what's going on? Like why are why am 1:11:34.760 --> 1:11:37.760 I the only person not there? Like we we he 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:40.360 said me, like I played thirty minutes and now with 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:42.760 with he trying to save you for something. That's what 1:11:42.880 --> 1:11:46.080 I'm thinking. So you know. So I went to Colangelo 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:49.640 was like, yeah, I think I hurt my growing, but 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:52.000 I don't want to hold a spot up for Brad 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:54.400 Miller or Bruce Boying. He was one of my Bruce 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:57.360 Boyne and he hit me with, yeah, yeah you want 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:05.479 the bubble getting cut like whinny cut, like like I'm 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:09.679 top I'm top three? Hit what do you mean cut? 1:12:10.640 --> 1:12:14.479 So I was already give me my check. I get 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:17.560 back on the plane and I'm hearing the rumors that 1:12:17.640 --> 1:12:21.120 it was more of a shoe issue than it was 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:28.400 me personally, or it was my agent who had Sean 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:32.160 Marion and they were going back. They were they were negotiating, 1:12:32.520 --> 1:12:34.400 and that was a phoenix sun. So that's where Dan 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:37.680 Dan Tony came in that. You know, they were negotiating 1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:39.519 and they were taking it out on me. So I 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:43.040 got Matt fired. My agent said, minute, if you over here, Burnie, 1:12:43.040 --> 1:12:44.680 I can burn my own bridges. I don't need you 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:47.800 to help me burn bridges. So I fired my agent. 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:49.479 And then that's when I went on a tangent said, 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:52.160 you know, I'm gonna go score fifty against you. I'm 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:54.320 gonna go score fifty against you because I can't go 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:57.599 back to college now and get that man seven hundred, 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:00.280 you know. And that's how the fifty four came like. 1:13:00.520 --> 1:13:02.240 And I remember when I came at the court, he 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:04.760 told me, he's like, you're gonna have to score more 1:13:04.800 --> 1:13:06.400 than fifty to beat us. It was on the sixteen 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:08.800 game winning street. I said, oh, trust me, I'm planning 1:13:08.840 --> 1:13:11.519 on it. They already know they ain't getting the ball today. 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:15.240 The score could be fifty zero. I'm gonna have fifty. 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:17.360 They could be fifty to one hundred. I'm gonna have 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:20.600 all fifty of our points. I'm leaving this building with 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:24.960 fifty tonight. So that's so, that's how the fifty four 1:13:25.080 --> 1:13:29.160 came about. Yeah, because I just felt that he was 1:13:29.240 --> 1:13:32.760 part of the He he didn't do he was nice 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:35.960 at hell to me, you know, but just he was 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:39.680 part of it. Was part of the team. Right. You 1:13:39.880 --> 1:13:42.719 mentioned about the playoff game in which you've got five 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:45.240 and you got you got two free throws and Lebron 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.280 comes by and taps here on the chests and whisper 1:13:47.400 --> 1:13:49.400 something to you. What did What did he tell you? 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:51.880 He said, if you missed these free throws, you know 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:55.479 who's gonna win it all? Right? Now, what makes it? 1:13:55.640 --> 1:13:58.960 What makes it worse? What makes it worse? Is this 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:05.400 so because we gambled at Lebron's house, me, Damon Jones, 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:09.679 you know that was our group, right, So Damon Jones 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:14.560 is horrible, horrible. He was horrible, horrible cards. So he 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:17.840 owed me money. So I always used to say, like 1:14:18.040 --> 1:14:21.000 every time we played them, I always used to scream 1:14:21.040 --> 1:14:26.120 out the landlords here, the landlord needs has dripping money. 1:14:26.760 --> 1:14:30.160 That's like every time he came to Town shoot around. 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:32.519 I'm yelling it the game, I'm yelling it like that's 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:36.920 all I yell. So I told the coach, anytime you 1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:40.280 put Damon Jones in, I'm going to one fourth flat. 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:44.200 He owes him in money until he pays me my 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:48.559 money one full flat. He's gonna be a liability out 1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:50.640 on his court. And that's what I did every time 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:54.040 became in one for flat. So they wasn't so he 1:14:54.200 --> 1:14:58.840 stopped playing. So he doesn't even playing games six. So 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:02.000 when he when he whispers, you know who's gonna hit it, 1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:05.960 everybody assumed it was him. I knew what he was 1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:11.200 talking about, and I think the thought went into my head, Oh, 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.759 they really gonna put David Jones in and let it shut, 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:19.720 and I just I just missed. Like it was like 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:21.880 I was. I was bawling that game, just hit the 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:24.840 three to get us in overtime, playing great in overtime, 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:29.960 very great battle. And then I see David Jones and 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:34.040 there stretching and and they really put the man in. 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:37.240 And the fact that Lebron even passed him the ball 1:15:37.680 --> 1:15:41.559 is what hurt the most, Like you like you're really 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:44.599 that petty where you would actually get that man the ball? 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:49.760 Who who? Who does that? That's what That's why I 1:15:49.800 --> 1:15:51.719 said I had that. That's why I said I wanted 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:55.439 to go like do mental stuff right like with the 1:15:56.360 --> 1:16:01.160 with the mental training, because I was like, this didn't 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:04.080 just happened. You didn't tell me this man was gonna 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:06.439 come in and hit, and then he comes in and 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:09.360 then you passed him the ball like he's done hit 1:16:09.560 --> 1:16:12.519 five straight threes. I need to go season Hill because 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:14.679 I don't want to be the next uh Nick Anderson 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:21.160 out here. You mentioned the card playing. What is it 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:25.960 about NBA players playing cards? And what was the game 1:16:26.360 --> 1:16:28.559 that you and a lot of the NBA players played. 1:16:30.400 --> 1:16:32.920 You know, just like any any card game, it's passed 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:38.160 on from whoever started it, you know, Like I remember, 1:16:38.240 --> 1:16:41.160 I think Jordan I first came in. Huh. I think 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:46.639 Jordan is a guts guy. Guts We played boot Ray Ray. Yeah, 1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:51.160 we played Boo Ray. So lucky for me, I was 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:55.160 never on a team that played real high stakes Boo Ray. Okay, 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:58.800 Like you know when I first came in, I'm playing, 1:16:59.120 --> 1:17:01.680 you know, twenty dollars a hand, brew Ray, you know, 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:04.800 so it wasn't really like you lose four thousand dollars. Bro, 1:17:05.000 --> 1:17:07.439 you you had a heart attack, right because I remember 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:10.479 I won. I remember I won three hundred dollars. What 1:17:10.800 --> 1:17:15.920 what three hundred? Yeah, you gotta remember when you don't 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:18.880 spend all your money on the escalade Trump and some jewelry. 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.960 When you first get drafted and then you go thirty 1:17:22.000 --> 1:17:25.559 one pick, you don't spend all that So three hundred dollars, 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:29.960 it's everything right now. On the road, you know, you 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:32.960 know so so and then when I went to Washington. 1:17:33.800 --> 1:17:36.519 You gotta remember it's a young team. So the card 1:17:36.600 --> 1:17:44.880 players there was it was Larry Hughes, sack House, and 1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:51.600 Christian because that guys played with Jordan's. Yeah, so what 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:54.599 were you guys? So you guys were playing Boo Ray. Yeah, 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:56.479 we was playing We was playing bout Ray. But it 1:17:56.880 --> 1:18:00.439 wasn't I remember, like I knew it. It was one. 1:18:00.560 --> 1:18:07.160 It was one thing like that happened and I was like, 1:18:07.240 --> 1:18:09.040 you know what, I'm never gonna play this game for 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:12.960 that kind of money. No mode, Okay, what happens? So 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:23.240 stack House like stack House, I owe stack House three 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:27.800 thousand dollars and he said, you know what, you know 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:30.519 you knew here, I'm gonna head can your discount man, 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:35.479 two thousand, you only got to pay me too, Like, 1:18:36.400 --> 1:18:39.160 all right too, He's like, I know you got the money, 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:45.120 you know, but you know two thousand, ye sure, nice 1:18:45.200 --> 1:18:48.479 discount my man, thousand out of discount. Welcome to the team. 1:18:51.520 --> 1:18:54.160 I ended up beating him. He owed me twelve thousand. 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:56.840 He said, hey, man, you know you're gonna hear give 1:18:56.880 --> 1:19:00.200 me that discount I called a thousand. You know, you 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:03.679 go ahead and pay me eleven. This man said two 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:17.200 thousand dollars. So right, So I'm looking around like wait 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:19.600 how much? Oh? I was like, oh you want me 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:22.800 to take off two thousand? Okay, I'm give me to you. 1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:28.280 I'm gonna get you two thousand. Huh is it? But 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:30.920 where you you? Huh as it? Don't even know that 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:33.519 they don't even equal. He said, I gave you a discount, right. 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:35.679 I was like, yeah, you took off one thousand dollars 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:39.839 and he said, are you gonna take this two thousand 1:19:39.880 --> 1:19:45.280 dollars or not? Like I So I look around right 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:47.599 and I'm getting to take that money. But to take 1:19:47.640 --> 1:19:51.040 that money and I'm looking like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 1:19:51.160 --> 1:19:54.600 discount this whatever? No no, no, no, no, no, se 1:19:54.760 --> 1:19:57.160 see that's what happened. You know, money out of sight 1:19:57.320 --> 1:20:00.639 calls a fight because no, no, no, if I give 1:20:00.680 --> 1:20:03.360 you a discount, the discount is what I say it is. 1:20:03.680 --> 1:20:06.080 You don't set the discount. I can't go into the 1:20:06.160 --> 1:20:08.559 store and tell the people when I want forty percent 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:11.800 of this. They said it, okay, it's twenty percent, it's 1:20:11.800 --> 1:20:15.679 thirty percent, it might be sixty. But the customer don't 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:20.320 set the discount. The store is Hey, your your muscles 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:25.760 tell you that. My muscles told me just take this 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:29.479 two thousand dollars and shut the hell up. All right. 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:32.400 That's that's what my muscles told me to do. Because 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:34.920 gil what we playing, I know you heard of it 1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:38.600 called in between m and so we played in me 1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:40.600 some people playing with one decks, some people played with 1:20:40.640 --> 1:20:43.360 two decks. We always three decks, but we always played 1:20:43.400 --> 1:20:46.000 with two decks. And so you know, obviously you flip 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:48.200 up the car. So if you get an ace, you say, 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:51.280 you know, high or low, and then whatever the next 1:20:51.320 --> 1:20:53.760 card is. So we're going to the super Bowl, you know, 1:20:53.880 --> 1:20:56.120 we we got super Bowl ticket. Everybody to come down 1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:58.639 with money because we're gonna be going for a week. Yeah, 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:02.720 you know, going around in the pots climbing. So now 1:21:03.360 --> 1:21:07.800 there's like fifteen grand in the pot, so we come 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:13.920 as okay, it's a a a's high he said, oh hi, 1:21:14.560 --> 1:21:17.720 and then another would come. So it's automatic. Look so 1:21:17.800 --> 1:21:20.000 it's automatic low because you can't have high, so it's 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:23.880 automatically low. Not mad. It's twelve grand in the pot, 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:29.960 he said, Pott, it's come. So now you got to 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:32.680 double the pot. So whatever's in the pot, he got 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:35.760 to put twenty four grand in there. Yeah, well he 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:38.600 don't have twenty four grand cash, but he got a 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:42.400 boatload of super Bowl tickets. So I you know, you know, 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:45.040 me the banker to catting the banker, I'm like, okay, 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:47.320 there's like, man, I only got I only got like 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:51.280 fifteen grand cash. I said, you got super Bowl tickets, 1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:54.080 So I'm putting them super Bowl tickets in there. He like. 1:21:54.240 --> 1:21:56.160 He looked at me like, I'm like, I don't know 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:58.400 what to tell you. I said, but you owe twenty 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:01.320 four thousand dollars to that pot, so you need to 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:03.600 come up with twenty four thousand. So the way we 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:07.000 look at it, we'll take fifteen grand and six super 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:10.240 Bowl tickets. So now I'm gil. So the pots now 1:22:10.920 --> 1:22:14.080 is thirty six basically thirty thirty six thousand dollars. And 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:18.120 you know super Bowl tickets. Nobody wants everybody going around. 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:20.559 It's King three, it's King three. Nobody ain't nobody said. 1:22:20.680 --> 1:22:23.960 I was like, man, so it comes to me. I 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:28.519 got a king, and then I got a five. Who 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:31.720 I like, my homeboy, Keith Burns. We're going out the 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:34.519 super Bowl, super Bowl thirty three. I was like, who, 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:36.280 I said, homebow, we need he sait Homebowl, don't touch. 1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:38.840 I said, we need to get this money. Homeboy. I say, look, 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:40.960 I got fifty. I said, I got fifty grand on me. 1:22:41.520 --> 1:22:43.720 I got fifty on me. I said, what we're gonna do? 1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:46.680 If King five, if King five, as long as it 1:22:46.760 --> 1:22:49.400 don't come another king, it don't come another five, eight, 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:55.439 We're good. Huh. We had to pot that thing had 1:22:56.000 --> 1:22:58.360 We had to pot it. But it came close. It 1:22:58.520 --> 1:23:00.960 was a six, so I was I was in the middle. 1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:03.960 That's how close it came. So I know how them 1:23:04.000 --> 1:23:06.160 games can get out of hand. But I also know 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:08.880 money can cause the fight because we roll dice too 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:14.639 and ruh. But let me tell you I was generous 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:17.040 like you. I did be the guy out of a car. 1:23:17.760 --> 1:23:19.639 I took a car. He had a seventy old school 1:23:19.680 --> 1:23:22.240 seventy shra belle. He had it fixed up. I'll tell 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:24.960 you what I do because I know you can't go 1:23:25.120 --> 1:23:27.720 home and tell your wife you lost this car. You're 1:23:27.720 --> 1:23:29.880 gonna get divorced AND's gonna cast you more than the car. 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:35.000 Give me twenty five hundred. We'll call it either. Because 1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:38.599 for me, Gil, it wasn't about the money. I wanted 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:41.400 your pride and a lot of times, the way I 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:43.800 gamble is that if I want money of you, I 1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:46.679 wanted it any coins. So go get me five thousand 1:23:46.680 --> 1:23:49.000 dollars in dimes, Go get me to you know, twenty 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:51.360 five hundred and quarters. So when you go to the 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:53.760 cash here to ask you, well, why do you need this? 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:57.519 I lost That's what I wanted. I lost a fat 1:23:57.600 --> 1:24:00.760 bed once. I had to get fifteenth and the Susan b. 1:24:00.800 --> 1:24:05.880 Anthony's that was heavy as head too. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:09.240 But you know what's funny, that's usually why fights start. 1:24:10.000 --> 1:24:14.880 It's never really about the money talking. It's embarrassed, man. 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:20.720 It's just a whole atmosphere of how someone lost, and 1:24:20.800 --> 1:24:23.800 then because you lose it already and then they're talking. 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:27.400 Ain't talking about shut up? And that's how that's how 1:24:27.479 --> 1:24:31.360 I got in trouble because I wouldn't shut up. I'm 1:24:31.400 --> 1:24:36.760 just going. So the trend was actually transpired between you 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:40.960 and Jarvis? Was this was this about a gambling dad 1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:46.080 or what transpired? So so so me and jaw Varrees, 1:24:46.360 --> 1:24:49.160 we were like, how me and Nick are? We were here, 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:51.800 you know, go over place, you know, one of the 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:57.280 young guys who who was trying to figure out how 1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:00.639 to stay in the league, you know, on the road. 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:02.880 He's always in my room ordering food. We go through 1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:06.120 the plays, we watched, we watched the game. It's my handout, buddy. 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:12.760 So they're they're gambling. I'm talking shit. So you gotta 1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:17.160 remember it's it's Javares, It's Javail, it's her boy kinds right. 1:25:18.120 --> 1:25:20.160 They ain't no money on the table, So you know 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:23.120 what they ain't they ain't this ain't no this ain't 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:27.840 they you know, this ain't no If if they lose 1:25:27.920 --> 1:25:30.360 two thousand dollars, one of them is mad. That's the 1:25:30.439 --> 1:25:36.599 type of you know. So it's probably about thirty minutes 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:39.760 left on the plane and I decided, you know what, 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:44.240 I want to play, and you know I want to play. 1:25:44.800 --> 1:25:51.120 So it's it's Javares. It's so Javail just boo Javarres. 1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:55.280 So Javars had to match the pop. Correct. Now it's 1:25:55.360 --> 1:26:05.600 Javares's turn, Javaris, it's boot on his damn wow. Like 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:09.000 he flips over. He flips over two clubs, so it's 1:26:09.040 --> 1:26:12.880 clubs yep. And then and then everybody goes around them, 1:26:12.920 --> 1:26:16.080 three them too. And then he yells out, I need fold. 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:22.920 That don't sound good. He gets boomed, right, you gotta 1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:26.800 match it again. So now because I'm next if I 1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:29.360 decide to play. So the rule was, if you want 1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:31.679 to jump into the game, you have to match the pot, 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:35.519 no matter what whatever is. Absolutely So I'm like, well, 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:39.360 what's it? Then? Little body let me hunted? I'm actually 1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:42.280 got body left me hunted in the pocket. Sobody leaving 1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:47.880 he pissed off. Now, oh why are he playing right? 1:26:49.800 --> 1:26:52.760 Because now now now it makes it harder for him 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.960 to to to play. So I'm in there talking shit, 1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:59.519 y boy. I said, hey, you got it cause you 1:26:59.640 --> 1:27:02.559 to day. Now I'm the dealer, now, ye would imagine? 1:27:02.960 --> 1:27:04.600 So you get it. I'm like, I'm like, shre, I 1:27:04.640 --> 1:27:09.080 want the legs is open. I want some passing it earl. 1:27:09.920 --> 1:27:13.040 Earl says, so I flip over like a nine. Earl 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:14.720 don't want no parts of it because I guess he 1:27:14.920 --> 1:27:17.639 picked at Jabail's hand because Jabil didn't want the rules. 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:22.200 Who who like whoo who like like whoa like whoo 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:27.040 he got he got a smoker. Yeah. So I'm like, 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:33.880 how many you need? He said, I don't need none, No, no, 1:27:34.960 --> 1:27:37.439 all right, how many you need? Hold on? Hold on, 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:39.559 you gotta explain to it what do you need? Because 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:43.040 you can go, you can explain to yourself. So with 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:47.080 Boo Ray, it's kind of like it's it's spades spades, 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:51.360 but individuals plade. You ain't got no partner, your old Yeah. 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:54.080 So whatever car the dealer flips over, that's actually the 1:27:54.120 --> 1:27:58.559 cut car. That's spades. Yeah. So then it becomes fade. Yeah. 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:02.840 So so basically he was basically saying he either has 1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:05.680 four hands so good, my hand is so good. I 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:07.800 don't want to change nothing. He don't want to change. 1:28:07.840 --> 1:28:10.679 So basically he probably had four spades and an astor king, 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:14.080 or he got all five spade, or he got five spades. 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:18.960 So Javares says, I need five oh, this sold me 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:22.320 me being Oh, this man is about to get booed 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:28.519 blue this man right, so I'm so now I'm just 1:28:28.640 --> 1:28:31.880 talking shit. Just blow this man like, oh, he's about 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:34.720 to be booed because it's not my turn yet. I'm like, man, 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:37.320 you sure you won't fight, you won't file? Oh he 1:28:37.439 --> 1:28:41.439 needs all five So now I'm just being an asshole. Right. 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:48.920 In the same time, Earl Boy gets tells Javille, a man, 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:51.080 let me gonna get Let me go ahead, get my 1:28:51.160 --> 1:28:54.320 two hundred, and Javille's like, hold on after this hand, 1:28:54.400 --> 1:28:56.600 let me, let me, let me, let me, let me 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:59.719 finish his hand first. You know, we always wait until 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:03.160 the the plane ain't anyway, like the jars just snaps, 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:06.360 just SATs man, get that man, it's two hundred dollars. Man, 1:29:06.400 --> 1:29:08.160 you got my money over there while you why you 1:29:08.240 --> 1:29:10.559 holding you got all my money? And I'm like, yo, 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:14.880 now you gotta gonna do with you, ain't got to 1:29:14.920 --> 1:29:18.200 do with you. Worry, don't worry about don't worry about 1:29:18.240 --> 1:29:20.680 what they do it, don't worry about it. You take 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:23.280 your fire because I'm pretty sure there's gonna be some 1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:27.559 more money in the potty anyway. Yes, right, So now 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:32.240 it's my turn, right, I'm like, okay, sh all I 1:29:32.320 --> 1:29:34.800 needed so I throw them too, and I got I 1:29:34.880 --> 1:29:37.880 got three because I got three spades, right, And he's 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:41.599 just going just going, just just because now he probably 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:45.200 looked at his hand and realized he ain't got one spade, 1:29:45.800 --> 1:29:49.240 so he's just I mean, he's going like and I'm like, 1:29:53.880 --> 1:29:59.160 you know what if you get booed, the money isn't 1:29:59.240 --> 1:30:02.240 the potty an it? Wait, they ain't no sins, both 1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:06.160 of us getting booed, You feel me might as well 1:30:06.320 --> 1:30:08.400 go ahead and let you be booed by yourself, brother. 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:11.320 And I said, So what I did is I showed him. 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:15.559 I said, listen, I got three spades. I'm out of here. 1:30:17.240 --> 1:30:19.960 Oh three flip over his hand. That's a miss deal, 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:24.719 you know, miss you know miss deal. I'm not playing. 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:29.240 I'm out of here, so I'm gonna leave you blew him. 1:30:29.320 --> 1:30:31.280 I'm go ahead, get up, let me know when it's 1:30:31.320 --> 1:30:35.120 my turn to play again, right, And he's just like 1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:38.240 you can hear him oregon, nah bro nah, br ain't 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:39.800 going out like he ain't gonna just let me lose 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.320 my money like that. He just can't come in here 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.400 and and double the pot and then lead and don't 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:47.080 even fight, help me fight for it to make it 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:49.680 at least the two two one. So earls like, yo, 1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:51.479 they ain't no two two one. I can tell that 1:30:51.600 --> 1:30:55.120 the show that man got as keen. He got as keen. 1:30:55.280 --> 1:30:59.320 Queen jack over that mother right there, and I'm hearing it. Oh, 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:02.760 I'm glad I got up out of there. Yeah, So 1:31:03.439 --> 1:31:08.679 so Javel said, you know what, listen, the money's mine. 1:31:10.240 --> 1:31:13.960 I had five spades. I was gonna boo you again. 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:17.400 I'm gonna let you not get booed, and I'm just 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:22.800 gonna take the money. Oh hell no, he wasn't. He 1:31:22.960 --> 1:31:26.960 wasn't even happening. Now that's a good deal, though, Gil 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:29.559 they get booed, he gonna have a double the pot 1:31:29.600 --> 1:31:31.360 after you just double it. So he gotta put forty 1:31:31.400 --> 1:31:34.080 four hundred in there. Then then if he gonna get booed, 1:31:34.120 --> 1:31:37.160 then he want to get booed with somebody. So he's 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:40.639 going mad that I didn't help him fight right this money. 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:44.040 So then he started talking trash. I started talking trash. 1:31:44.360 --> 1:31:46.920 So it wasn't like it wasn't really like we was 1:31:47.000 --> 1:31:51.120 going at it. It was just he was irritated that 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:53.560 he was losing, and then irritated that I came and 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:55.680 double the pot and then bounced on him and then 1:31:55.800 --> 1:31:58.240 look him for dead. But did you did you know 1:32:00.160 --> 1:32:05.160 his background and what he was capable of? No? Like then, 1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:08.120 then then he's not capable of you know what he's 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:12.200 accused of, like what he's in jailble, Then no, he wasn't. No, 1:32:12.960 --> 1:32:17.240 like he changed once he got out the league. Circumstances 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:21.160 forced him to change survival like you know, like when 1:32:21.200 --> 1:32:25.280 people like I remember when when everything broke down and 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:29.280 he got in trouble and the d A going against 1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:33.160 him hit me up for character reference against him, and 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:37.640 I said it. I said, wait, hold on, I know 1:32:38.040 --> 1:32:42.720 we had an issue and it was this big public thing, 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:45.360 but character issue. I'm not going to be a great 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:48.479 witness for you because that that was my teammate and 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:51.920 he was an amazing guy. Right, Yeah, we had an 1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:55.880 issue that got blown out of proportion. But I'm not 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.400 gonna go and say this is what he was capable of, 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:00.200 this is who he was, because that wasn't him him 1:33:01.600 --> 1:33:05.160 how his life went after he got kicked out of 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:09.160 the lead, his family stealing his money and he had 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:12.960 to to to gravitate to something else. That's not the 1:33:13.000 --> 1:33:16.200 guy I know. I know, the hoop guy who watched 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:19.840 film with me. The jabbar is that you were trying 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:22.080 to have me go again. I don't know that one 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:25.920 that I can't say that was his character. I can 1:33:26.000 --> 1:33:31.799 say circumstances of financial someone robbed him for his jewelry, 1:33:32.240 --> 1:33:36.519 everything spiraling down. That's a whole another person right that 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:41.120 I cannot I cannot talk about that person on the person. 1:33:41.200 --> 1:33:45.920 I know. I can't do it for you. So after that, 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:50.639 after that the gambling incident, did you guys speak? Were 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:54.320 you guys steal friends friend lee or because you were 1:33:54.360 --> 1:33:57.400 both were suspended? So how did it end? After that? 1:33:58.720 --> 1:34:03.280 Even before that, I remember I get a text and 1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:06.360 he said, Yo, g A this uh this JC. You 1:34:06.439 --> 1:34:08.880 know I need a favor and I know you know 1:34:09.760 --> 1:34:11.600 I can't even go to nobody else. And I know 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:14.320 you don't hold grudges like that. You know my mom 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:17.240 needs a surgery. Is anyway you can let me borrow? 1:34:17.400 --> 1:34:23.519 You know, sixty thousand? Then of course how many thousand? Sixty? Hello? 1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:28.360 You said six or six in a zero? After it? Sixthly? 1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:32.479 Sixthly she was having next surgery. She she needed next surgery. 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:35.800 And then I'm probably he probably needed some some some 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:39.519 change since he lost his contract. Right, So I said, okay, wire, 1:34:39.600 --> 1:34:41.639 gave me the wire information, sent it off to him. 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:44.280 And this is this is before I even went through 1:34:44.320 --> 1:34:47.040 my trial. Like he already got off. He already got 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:48.720 slapped on, you know, a little slap on the hand. 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:52.840 And this is after he said I'm scared for my life. 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:54.960 He was coming in, he was gonna kill me. That 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:58.439 already doesn't happen, and I'm he's but you know, I'm 1:34:58.479 --> 1:35:00.639 not gonna hold it grudge. Bro. I know you gotta 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:02.960 do what you gotta do to survive, right, you know, 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:05.320 So I wrote him a check. Until this day we 1:35:05.520 --> 1:35:10.719 still in communications. He paid you back, No, it wasn't. 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:16.040 It wasn't like when I let a teammate, like when 1:35:16.320 --> 1:35:18.479 a teammate asked me for something. It was never the 1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:21.160 pay me back. You know what, now that you mention it, 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:23.479 I don't think any of my teammates have ever paid 1:35:23.520 --> 1:35:26.600 me back on the dead. It's just it was like, 1:35:26.800 --> 1:35:29.479 you know, if I have it, you know, like I'm 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:31.800 gonna do something stupid with anyway. So if you you 1:35:31.880 --> 1:35:34.000 got a better purpose for it. You know, your mom's neck. 1:35:34.120 --> 1:35:36.640 That's that's all right with me. Yeah, now that you 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:38.840 mentioned I was thinking about that, Like, have any of 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:43.160 my teammates ever paid me money back? Teammates and family 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:45.639 members don't pay money back. I don't pay money back. 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:50.360 So yeah, you're right about that. So I asked you 1:35:50.439 --> 1:35:53.320 to look back and say, okay, anything you would change. 1:35:53.760 --> 1:35:56.479 Obviously you would like to not have a knee injury. 1:35:56.760 --> 1:36:00.080 And I had a longer career because you felt you 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:04.120 were in your prime. You had just became the agent zero, 1:36:04.360 --> 1:36:06.400 the Gilbert Arenas that you know what, this is the 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:08.920 guy I always knew I could be. And then you 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:10.759 have the need, like you said, you have three surgeries 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:14.559 in fourteen months. When you sit back and you watch, 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:17.559 do you think what your career could have been had 1:36:17.600 --> 1:36:19.400 you not had a knee injury. You could have been 1:36:19.439 --> 1:36:23.600 a Hall of Famer, maybe won a championship. When you 1:36:23.800 --> 1:36:26.680 do that, when you when you when you do when 1:36:26.720 --> 1:36:29.479 you play the what if game, you can never move 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:33.760 on in life. Like so I try not to do 1:36:33.880 --> 1:36:38.920 the what if game, Like like how I was playing, 1:36:39.000 --> 1:36:42.559 how I was moving, I knew what I would have been, right, 1:36:43.200 --> 1:36:45.439 So there's no point of asking the questions. Like I 1:36:45.479 --> 1:36:48.280 remember someone asking me that was like, who's better you were, dame? 1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:51.840 And I say what at what age? At the age 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:55.160 of twenty five? By the age of twenty five him Curry, 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:59.120 It couldn't see me after twenty five. I can't touch 1:36:59.160 --> 1:37:02.320 them boys. I didn't. I didn't have a career after that. Like, 1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:06.680 so you know, you know, like I cannot touch I 1:37:06.760 --> 1:37:09.240 cannot up until that age, I cannot touch them boys. 1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:12.000 So as they was like, yo, can you guard him? No, 1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:15.000 Like I didn't have to deal with players like that, 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:18.719 you know, so like you know, I I stayed true 1:37:18.760 --> 1:37:21.160 to you know who I am and don't try to 1:37:21.200 --> 1:37:22.880 be like, oh yeah, I would have killed everybody. Like 1:37:26.320 --> 1:37:28.000 it was a different it was a different league. Then. 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:34.200 David Stern, he suspended for the Jabarras incident. You got 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:37.120 suspended for the rest of the season, right, Yeah, we 1:37:37.240 --> 1:37:41.120 got suspended for here's the trick. Here's the here's the trick. 1:37:42.320 --> 1:37:49.000 We didn't get suspended for guns because guns in the 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:53.599 locker room, no one, no one saw me touch a gun, 1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:56.639 so they couldn't suspend me for a gun. It would 1:37:56.640 --> 1:38:00.439 have been one game, right, and I would have argued that, like, 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:04.240 hold on, y'all, just see me. I told y'all that 1:38:04.439 --> 1:38:06.519 those were mine. I didn't tell you I'll put him 1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:08.280 in there. I didn't tell you I brung them there. 1:38:08.600 --> 1:38:12.920 I just said those were mine. So legally, no one 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:16.679 can do nothing to me. I'm just honest. They said, yo, mine, 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:20.800 I was giving them to him. So when they realized that, 1:38:22.200 --> 1:38:24.600 they didn't suspend me for guns, they suspending me for 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:30.720 detrimental to the team. Detrimental, which was because of what 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:35.479 I did in Philadelphia when I was mocking him with 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:37.759 the with the with the with the with the pistol hands. 1:38:38.080 --> 1:38:42.040 So I got suspended for that fifty games, which was 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:48.080 detrimental because they can hold that as long as they want, right, 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:53.560 And then didn't didn't the DC step in with the 1:38:53.600 --> 1:38:59.840 gun incident? Who DC? Uh? Yeah? They still they still, 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:04.680 they still did their case, and they gave me with 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:08.880 thirty days probation, thirty days halfway house, halfway house, and 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:14.000 you got in trouble with that? Hell, what do you mean? So? No? 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:19.880 What would half what would the halfway house? Life? Halfway half? 1:39:22.800 --> 1:39:28.200 You make so halfway house? You know, listen, I was 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:32.880 not doing the halfway House in DC. Okay, I did 1:39:32.960 --> 1:39:36.760 the Halfway House in Virginia. Okay. It was either it 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:40.960 was either Virginia or find me right because I am 1:39:41.080 --> 1:39:43.559 not I'm not doing the I'm not doing DC. Whatever 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:46.360 this case was by my house or I'm gonna be 1:39:46.479 --> 1:39:50.120 at my house. Pick one. So they gave me thirty 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:54.720 They gave me thirty days, and and uh, the halfway house. 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:58.200 Like so I had to do a weekend verst in jail. 1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:01.680 So mine and I have no jail time, so there 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:06.320 was no jail, just halfway house. But the the halfway 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:09.400 house I was going to said you had to do 1:40:09.840 --> 1:40:15.240 three days a weekend in jail. So this is the 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:18.840 funniest shit ever. So you know how like like three days. 1:40:19.000 --> 1:40:23.920 That's that all right? That So all I know is 1:40:24.040 --> 1:40:28.800 jail from TV. So I'm doing push ups and everything, like, hey, 1:40:28.840 --> 1:40:30.479 I'm about to get buffalo these boys just in case 1:40:30.479 --> 1:40:32.200 they try to try me in there, right, just in 1:40:32.240 --> 1:40:33.760 case they try to try me, I'm gonna be all 1:40:33.800 --> 1:40:38.120 big and strong. So I'm thinking there's gonna be some 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:46.000 some some some criminals. It was old man for ticket violations, 1:40:46.080 --> 1:40:49.519 drunk drive and stuff like that. Right, so after day 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:54.479 so that was a Friday Saturday, like, oh man, this 1:40:54.720 --> 1:40:58.639 is walking with my chest high right, and then something 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:02.960 told me to look out that window. So look at 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:06.439 the window. It's like a little basketball court. So now 1:41:07.280 --> 1:41:11.280 so it was just I mean being I mean beat, 1:41:11.400 --> 1:41:15.240 like I ain't like oh he ate weights, he ate. 1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:19.960 And he's on the court right, and he was so strong. 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:22.880 He was so strong that he couldn't put his hands 1:41:22.960 --> 1:41:26.759 down so his hands said like this. Yeah. So he's 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:29.840 throwing the ball like just boom, and it's not it's 1:41:29.920 --> 1:41:33.280 hitting the backboard like boom boom. And I'm sitting there 1:41:33.320 --> 1:41:36.320 like yo, this what what is he? What is this? 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:39.960 And like he's just picking the ball up and he's 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:42.479 like trying to shoot it but he's just throwing it 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:47.719 at the back board and I'm laughing and he looked. 1:41:48.479 --> 1:41:51.360 He looked at me while I was laughing. Bro, I 1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:56.080 dropped to the ground so fast under the under that glass. 1:41:56.120 --> 1:42:00.720 Bro Like soon just looked at me and dropped boom. Man. 1:42:00.800 --> 1:42:03.840 I said it for two hours like nah, nah, not 1:42:03.920 --> 1:42:06.439 even just against he did. I know he's there looking. 1:42:06.600 --> 1:42:11.120 I am not giving up. Did anybody recognize you while 1:42:11.120 --> 1:42:15.439 you were there? Oh yeah, yeah, you've got an autographs 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:17.880 in the halfway half he no. When I got Yeah, 1:42:17.880 --> 1:42:19.439 when I was in a halfway house, it was like 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:23.880 like it was special rules. Yeah, I went in. I 1:42:23.920 --> 1:42:26.120 went in there, prima donna, I'm not even gonna lie. 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:30.040 And I said, hey, listen, oh, I don't do roommates. 1:42:30.840 --> 1:42:34.000 And I got bad sleeping habits, like you know, I sleep, 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:36.080 I wake up at three am and do all this, 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:39.000 and you know the way the way this room is 1:42:39.320 --> 1:42:41.640 the structured, and I like to watch TV at a 1:42:41.720 --> 1:42:45.040 certain time. It's gonna irritate the roommate. Then he go 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:47.400 on a fight, and you do realize you're in a 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:50.680 halfway house. You do realize it's a halfway house, not 1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:53.800 Gil's house. No, no, no, no no. But my my 1:42:53.920 --> 1:42:57.960 complaint was like it was it was legit. So they 1:42:58.080 --> 1:43:01.240 gave me my own room. And then they put a 1:43:01.360 --> 1:43:05.800 rule in that you can only keep like twenty four 1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:08.800 dollars on them. So this is what I got. I got, 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:12.479 So I got, I got it. What would they call 1:43:12.560 --> 1:43:16.240 it when you get a I got on lockdown for 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:19.640 like ten days? Oh you huh? Yeah, I got So 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:24.439 what ended up happening is I was smart enough to 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:29.479 understand that the change machine guy put the change in 1:43:29.680 --> 1:43:33.120 at four am, right, So I'll go in there and 1:43:33.200 --> 1:43:35.760 then put twenty dollars to take all the out, put 1:43:36.040 --> 1:43:38.960 all the quarters out. No one got no change. So 1:43:39.439 --> 1:43:42.200 I took all the change, and I would charge everybody 1:43:42.560 --> 1:43:48.479 seventy five cents for their dollars. So I'm giving them 1:43:48.600 --> 1:43:50.639 seventy five cents for a dollars. So they're getting charged, 1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:53.840 you know. So so I'm papered up for another for 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:57.160 another word, you're huffling. Yeah, if they want to smash 1:43:57.160 --> 1:43:59.280 from the vending machine, they got to come through me. 1:44:00.000 --> 1:44:04.519 They gotta come to the quarterman. So so I'm hustling there. 1:44:04.880 --> 1:44:07.120 So what ends up happening is I get caught with 1:44:07.320 --> 1:44:13.559 like like two hundred and twenty dollars and they put 1:44:13.600 --> 1:44:16.639 me on lockdown and they take Did they take the money? 1:44:17.120 --> 1:44:20.200 Oh yeah, they took the money. They took they took 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:22.840 the money. They took the money, put me on lockdown 1:44:23.479 --> 1:44:27.640 and had to spend ten days in my room. So 1:44:28.120 --> 1:44:31.040 let's talk about your your your your classic battle because 1:44:31.080 --> 1:44:35.200 your your greatest scoring game in your career happened against 1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:37.840 Kobe one of the fiercest competitive, one of the greatest 1:44:37.880 --> 1:44:41.560 offensive players, one of the greatest defensive players. What was 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:44.000 your mindset going into that game, because a lot of 1:44:44.040 --> 1:44:46.920 times you hear people say, well, man, that's that's my idol. 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:49.320 I grew up watching him. I just want to make 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:55.600 sure he doesn't embarrass me. Well, you know, before the 1:44:55.720 --> 1:45:01.160 sixty game, my my highest average was against Lakers. It 1:45:01.280 --> 1:45:04.720 was already sitting at about thirty three thirty four, right 1:45:05.800 --> 1:45:11.360 because I knew, like I knew what it took to 1:45:11.520 --> 1:45:15.000 be successful against the Lakers and Kobe. You gotta remember 1:45:15.040 --> 1:45:18.040 that's a that's my idol team growing up. You know. 1:45:18.760 --> 1:45:22.320 You know I watched Kobe. I know his mannerisms. I 1:45:22.520 --> 1:45:27.040 know he's playing chess out there, not checkers. So I 1:45:27.080 --> 1:45:29.599 remember Luke Walton said, Yo, Kobe, gonna shut you down 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:34.479 to night, Like but he said this every game. Kobe said, hey, 1:45:34.520 --> 1:45:35.880 gonna shut you down to night. And I was like, well, 1:45:35.880 --> 1:45:37.960 you tell him if he didn't think about guard I 1:45:38.000 --> 1:45:41.240 mean one four flat because you because you and Luke 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:43.439 were teammates, right, Yeah, me and Luke was teammates. So 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:46.080 Luke just used to hype the ship up too. So 1:45:46.720 --> 1:45:49.120 before that game, Luke said it, and I remember, I'm 1:45:49.160 --> 1:45:52.000 sitting on the sideway like I already worked out. Kobe's 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:54.439 on a second workout and he ain't missing. I'm like, 1:45:54.520 --> 1:45:57.760 hey man, you didn't killing bruh. I feel sorry. But 1:45:57.800 --> 1:46:00.360 whoever got a garden in the night? Right? That's me 1:46:00.560 --> 1:46:05.479 pre game, you know, watching him work out and game 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:10.479 stars and he doesn't a smush, you go get the Sean. 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:15.519 I'm gonna shut down Gilbert and Yeah, And I thought, 1:46:15.520 --> 1:46:19.200 I uh, those first two players coach called cancer those 1:46:19.640 --> 1:46:23.280 if Kobe's guarded me one fourth flat right, So the 1:46:23.320 --> 1:46:25.920 way he tipped the ball tip ball, he wasn't guarding me. 1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:29.439 Smush had to you know, Smush got on me. I'm scoring. 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:33.680 Then the eventually tells Smush off, I got him. So 1:46:34.920 --> 1:46:36.519 as soon as I hit like three and a row 1:46:36.560 --> 1:46:42.479 on cold Phil Jackson Yales cold stop stop stop, stop 1:46:42.560 --> 1:46:46.160 playing do the road. Due to the lineup, I said, 1:46:46.520 --> 1:46:51.080 you got the Sean. Boom boom boom. Once Kobe switched off, 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:58.320 game was over. Because Phil didn't realize this. These chess 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:02.040 moves he doesn't interrupted was chess move. So the fact 1:47:02.120 --> 1:47:06.280 that he was forced to switch off put my mind 1:47:06.320 --> 1:47:09.280 in a whole different element. I'm gonna fly here tonight 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:12.920 it's on. So when he comes back, he ain't gonna 1:47:12.920 --> 1:47:15.360 be able to stop me, right, so he don't. If 1:47:15.360 --> 1:47:17.360 you catch a rid of them, now it's over. Yeah, 1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:20.400 And that's what happened. Is like, it's not about like 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:25.360 I tell people, it's not about hitting shots. Per Se 1:47:25.560 --> 1:47:28.120 is not backing down from the challenge. So people ask me, 1:47:28.360 --> 1:47:31.960 what was your best game? I say the second game 1:47:32.920 --> 1:47:36.200 that year against Kobe because that second year, the second 1:47:36.240 --> 1:47:41.840 game is he said, he's stopping me. I'm on his radar. 1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:45.040 He's stopping me. That means the demon is coming in. 1:47:45.479 --> 1:47:51.519 He is coming to stop me, right. I gotta compete 1:47:52.640 --> 1:47:55.519 no matter what. Like the team is trying to stop me, 1:47:55.840 --> 1:47:58.639 he's personally trying to stop me. I ended up scoring 1:47:58.720 --> 1:48:03.479 thirty seven. That thirty seven was one hundred points. When 1:48:03.560 --> 1:48:07.800 the guy is there to actually shut you down. Do 1:48:08.120 --> 1:48:10.280 NBA players go into the game if they know, say 1:48:10.439 --> 1:48:13.240 KD is playing Lebron, do they go into the game 1:48:13.320 --> 1:48:17.040 says I gotta get forty because he's probably gonna get forty. 1:48:17.280 --> 1:48:20.519 How do NBA players approach it? I can tell you 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:22.960 how I approach it. How did you approach it? You're 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:25.400 going to give Kobe, you're gonna givet T Mac. You're 1:48:25.400 --> 1:48:30.360 going to get one of the other prolific scores. I'm attacking, 1:48:30.600 --> 1:48:33.559 like I you know, it's it's we're in a wild 1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:36.320 you know. I'm I'm not I'm not a caged lyon. 1:48:36.400 --> 1:48:39.840 I'm I'm a wild lion. So I'm I'm out I'm 1:48:39.880 --> 1:48:42.640 out there hunting, you know what I mean. I'm out there. 1:48:42.720 --> 1:48:46.800 I'm out there hunting, and I'm trying to Like, if 1:48:46.840 --> 1:48:49.479 you're the shooting guard and this point guard needs to 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:52.760 get you the ball, I need to destroy his confidence now, 1:48:54.439 --> 1:48:58.840 you know. So, like somebody like Dame Lillard Curry, my 1:48:59.560 --> 1:49:02.920 defense was trying to get them. I'm trying to get 1:49:02.960 --> 1:49:05.439 them on the bench with two fouls and they get 1:49:05.479 --> 1:49:08.800 to watch me eat, you know. And that's the way 1:49:08.840 --> 1:49:11.719 I played. So I was in attack mode from the beginning. 1:49:12.240 --> 1:49:14.639 I didn't, you know, I wasn't I was in probing. 1:49:14.760 --> 1:49:17.479 I wasn't trying to feel let's feel this game out. No, 1:49:17.600 --> 1:49:20.280 I know how the game is. I know how it feels. 1:49:22.479 --> 1:49:25.640 I know how I know how it feels. Who's the 1:49:25.680 --> 1:49:29.240 best player? Feel real uncomfortable around here? Who's the best 1:49:29.240 --> 1:49:39.960 player in the NBA? Right now, best player. Yes, it's 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:47.679 either Lebron or Kad. Why you didn't mention Jannis VP 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:51.840 to I mean, just because you want to MVP do 1:49:52.000 --> 1:49:54.760 make you the best player? Means you was on the 1:49:54.840 --> 1:49:56.680 best team and he was the best player on the 1:49:56.720 --> 1:49:59.679 best team. The way the analysts do it, it ain't 1:49:59.720 --> 1:50:01.840 got an unknew who the best player in the NBA 1:50:02.080 --> 1:50:04.760 is is? Who was on the best team? Who did 1:50:04.840 --> 1:50:09.240 all that? That's you know, so right down for you, huh, 1:50:09.600 --> 1:50:20.519 Kady or Lebron? For you? Who with the first pick? Yes, shit, 1:50:22.880 --> 1:50:24.760 you get one. I'm saying, give me the readers, you 1:50:24.800 --> 1:50:27.559 get one player. I'm you're starting your team with one 1:50:27.600 --> 1:50:29.720 player right now? Okay, If I'm starting a team with 1:50:29.760 --> 1:50:35.840 one player, then I go Lebron. Why because with with 1:50:36.080 --> 1:50:41.240 with Lebron, because he is a one, two, three, four. 1:50:41.479 --> 1:50:46.240 Whatever I can, I can, I can draft anybody around him. 1:50:46.960 --> 1:50:48.560 You know. I used to tell people that. I was like, 1:50:48.960 --> 1:50:52.080 if you have Kobe, it's hard to have a Lebron. 1:50:52.880 --> 1:50:57.200 If you have Lebron, it's easy to get Kobe because 1:50:57.560 --> 1:51:02.320 Kobe won't won't sacrifice from the Ron. Lebron was sacrifice 1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:08.040 to bring Kobe on board. You know, so so I'll 1:51:08.160 --> 1:51:12.000 take Lebron because from there it's easier to build a 1:51:12.120 --> 1:51:15.360 team when you when you take any other any any 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:18.080 other player, you have to build it around that player. 1:51:18.120 --> 1:51:20.200 I don't have to build a team around Lebron. I 1:51:20.400 --> 1:51:22.640 have Lebron and then bring in who I want and 1:51:22.720 --> 1:51:27.439 then let him fix that meal, Gail. I appreciate your time, bro, 1:51:27.720 --> 1:51:30.200 I owe you. I know you busy. You took time 1:51:30.280 --> 1:51:31.840 out to give me a couple of hours a day. 1:51:32.200 --> 1:51:34.560 I really appreciate it, Bro, I no problem. Thank you 1:51:34.600 --> 1:51:37.000 for having me. Hey tell me they don't you let 1:51:37.040 --> 1:51:39.760 me get back in that rain. Don't you do that? Gail? 1:51:40.120 --> 1:51:42.640 If you hear friend, that's your boy, you don't let 1:51:42.720 --> 1:51:45.720 him take another one? All right? I got you, all right? 1:51:45.920 --> 1:51:50.840 Appreciate it all my life, grinding all my life, sac fice, hustle, 1:51:50.880 --> 1:51:55.040 back price, one slice, got the dice to swat all 1:51:55.080 --> 1:51:58.120 my life. I've been grinding all my life, all my life, 1:51:58.360 --> 1:52:02.160 and grinding all my life, sacrifice, custill bay the price, 1:52:02.280 --> 1:52:05.360 and want a slice, not the broiler dice to swallow 1:52:05.560 --> 1:52:07.519 all my life. I've been running all my life