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Speaker 1: Now let's start the show. Hello, Welcome to another edition
Speaker 1: of Club Shasha. I am your host, also the propriator
Speaker 1: of Club Shasha, the guy that's stopping about today for
Speaker 1: drink in conversation. It's a two thousand and one first
Speaker 1: team All Packed ten. He's a three time All Star
Speaker 1: or three time All in being player. Some call him
Speaker 1: Agent Zero. Some call him Harbachi, the host of No
Speaker 1: Chill podcast, Mister Gilbert Arena. All my life and running
Speaker 1: all my life, sacrifice hustle back price. One slice got
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Speaker 1: in all my life, Gil, How you doing today, brou
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for having me. You
Speaker 1: forgot what most called me to go. You forgot to
Speaker 1: say the goat. I'm go. Oh you know, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go. You gotta say goat and some call him
Speaker 1: to go? Gil? How you being? What's going on? Bro?
Speaker 1: And I've been good? You know, I've been good. You know,
Speaker 1: Quaryantina like everybody else, you know, just trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on in life. Right, We're gonna start
Speaker 1: present and then we're gonna work our way back. Saturday night,
Speaker 1: there's a fight that took place Nate Robinson, former NBA player,
Speaker 1: against YouTube sensation. I guess that's what they would call him.
Speaker 1: Jake Paul, who also says he wants to take up
Speaker 1: the fight game. He's been in it for a little while,
Speaker 1: he's taken it serious. It didn't work out well for Nate.
Speaker 1: What do you think happened besides the obvious? So, you
Speaker 1: know there's a difference between fighting and boxing, correct. You
Speaker 1: know Nat is a fighter. He's fought plenty of times
Speaker 1: in locker rooms, right. You know he's used to grabbing, holding,
Speaker 1: body slamming, you know, trying to hit somebody with the
Speaker 1: club hit right. Well, you know when you're a boxer,
Speaker 1: it's timing. You know, it's precision. Correct. I don't think
Speaker 1: he understood that. I don't think that was told to him.
Speaker 1: So when he got frustrated, he went into fight mode, right,
Speaker 1: and he was gonna try to grab it launch. He
Speaker 1: got tought for it. Right. So why wouldn't someone explain
Speaker 1: the rules of boxing versus the rules of fighting. But
Speaker 1: one rule is universal. Keep your hands up. Whether it's
Speaker 1: a free fight, or you in a square or you
Speaker 1: in an octagon, you gotta keep your hands up. Guilt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's if you're not used to it,
Speaker 1: it's it's secondary to you. Like you know, when you
Speaker 1: took McGregor and had him go against you know, Mayweather.
Speaker 1: You can see that he didn't protect himself as usual
Speaker 1: because in MMA, that's not what they do. They use
Speaker 1: their hands to grab and counter, so, you know, using
Speaker 1: your hands to you know block. You know, Jabs McGregor
Speaker 1: wasn't used to it. You know, so unless you're sparring
Speaker 1: and that's what you're being taught, it comes second nature
Speaker 1: to someone who's just used to fighting. So why didn't
Speaker 1: he go get the proper training? Why didn't he go
Speaker 1: out and reach out to a Freddie Roach. Why didn't
Speaker 1: he reach out to a Teddy Atlas or Buddy McGirt
Speaker 1: or Floyd Mayweather Senior? Why not reach out to somebody
Speaker 1: that could train him properly because you're fighting a YouTuber.
Speaker 1: Oh so he underestimated it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. You know, it's a YouTuber. He's not
Speaker 1: a professional, actual fighter, so I can't go in there
Speaker 1: and probably try to bully him. And you know, if
Speaker 1: you look at the way to fight started, that's what
Speaker 1: Nick was trying to do, just bully through him. And
Speaker 1: if you look at both the YouTuber, Jake wasn't a
Speaker 1: box reader no, no, the three the three hits he
Speaker 1: landed was three hate makers with his eyes closed. You know,
Speaker 1: when you slow everything down, it's like he's just bending
Speaker 1: down throwing over the top hay maker and it's connected
Speaker 1: but Harrison. But you know this, as banks professional lathlete,
Speaker 1: you respect everyone. You underestimate no one and you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Is when you underestimate your opponent and you look at him.
Speaker 1: Some of the best hoopers don't have the best body.
Speaker 1: If he like, he can't do nothing and he light
Speaker 1: you up. If you don't give them, you don't give
Speaker 1: your opponent the proper respect that he deserves. What then
Speaker 1: you deserve whatever happens to you. And you know, and
Speaker 1: that's why I sent the text like we we we
Speaker 1: got our giggles off, we got our gigg disolved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know, while I'm looking at it all,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, Nate, wait, hold on, you not that
Speaker 1: far off? You know he got that far from what
Speaker 1: Gil He wasn't that far off if you look at
Speaker 1: right before he got knock knocked down. The first time
Speaker 1: Jake throws an overhand right a fighter, he blocks it
Speaker 1: with his right hand instead of his left hand. So
Speaker 1: if he blocks it with his left hand, he gets
Speaker 1: to uppercut him. The fact that he blocks it with
Speaker 1: his right hand, he gets no counter on it. If
Speaker 1: he was a boxer, he would have knew that that
Speaker 1: he throws that overhand right, no protection uppercut him right.
Speaker 1: So that could have been an easy knockout for for Nick.
Speaker 1: Nick could have knocked him out with that punch because
Speaker 1: he threw too much effort into it. But little things
Speaker 1: like that, you know, I was, you know, explaining to Nate, like,
Speaker 1: this is what you need to be tradedful. So I
Speaker 1: used to box, okay in you know, in ninth grade,
Speaker 1: you know, instead of basketball, I just took boxing the
Speaker 1: loves of school and I used to fight for five dollars, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, there was little things I
Speaker 1: was like, Well, Nate, you could have ended him right there. Look,
Speaker 1: when you're chasing someone, you cannot chase him like this. No,
Speaker 1: you know you're chasing them up right with right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but but here's the thing though, Gil, why would
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden want to pick up the
Speaker 1: fight game and your thirty your reflections start to slow. Guys,
Speaker 1: if you're in the fight game, you have to be
Speaker 1: able to to see punches, to anticipate punches, and not
Speaker 1: to walk into punches. I mean at thirty six, I
Speaker 1: mean we are a little but you know, nat is
Speaker 1: native is one of those freak type of athletes like yourself,
Speaker 1: where the age doesn't really like my thirty six is
Speaker 1: probably your thirty one. You know. So Nate still feels
Speaker 1: he has it. That's what I said, you're not. He's
Speaker 1: not fighting against an actual role, professional fighter. He's fighting
Speaker 1: against a YouTuber who just jumped into it last year.
Speaker 1: But that year of training still it's still above what
Speaker 1: Nate was ready for. Well how about this here? Why
Speaker 1: not pick up bowling? Why not pick up hold? Why
Speaker 1: pick up the fight game? Of all the things that
Speaker 1: you could pick up? What you're done with one professional sport,
Speaker 1: why not why not something that's not that's non contact.
Speaker 1: I haven't asked that question, but I do ask it
Speaker 1: in football when the football players retire and they go
Speaker 1: straight to I'm like that do you really want? And
Speaker 1: it's like, well, contact is all I know? No, I
Speaker 1: was done with contact. What's hope? I haven't been taking
Speaker 1: contact for twenty these years. I didn't want to get
Speaker 1: hit on anymore. But it takes It takes a special
Speaker 1: type of person to be able to and like I said,
Speaker 1: for me, football was second nature because I knew okay
Speaker 1: in a certain defense, I knew where the hits were
Speaker 1: probably going to be coming from. As a boxer, you
Speaker 1: know if you throw where the punch is probably gonna
Speaker 1: be coming back from. And so you can anticipate things.
Speaker 1: You understand how to pivot, you don't understand how to turn.
Speaker 1: But if you're just getting into it, it's gonna take
Speaker 1: so long for you pick that up. Gil. But you know,
Speaker 1: just like just like anybody who's been in a fight
Speaker 1: or watch fights, you think it's easier than it really
Speaker 1: is exactly. You know, you know you're getting you know,
Speaker 1: fighting through school. You didn't you know, I can knock
Speaker 1: him out, and then you don't realize the precision the
Speaker 1: timing is. Yeah, you can't grab me. You all that
Speaker 1: strength off, you can't grab covering the real street fight. See,
Speaker 1: I believe Knight in the street fight could probably believe
Speaker 1: Jake Paul because what he tried to do, he would
Speaker 1: rushing school, boom boom boo, grinding back. But in a
Speaker 1: boxing match, ain't no grabbing it ain't no scooping somebody
Speaker 1: up off the floor and dumping him. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what like, I think when he was attacking, that
Speaker 1: was the mentality. I'm rushing with the scoop, the scoop mentality,
Speaker 1: and that's how he actually was approaching them and he
Speaker 1: kept getting hit. So you wrote this hard yob. You
Speaker 1: started trending because you wrote and I won't read it
Speaker 1: all about a butt whipon is no different than the
Speaker 1: first time than you had to guard Alan Ivernson, You
Speaker 1: had to guard myself, stephar Marburry, some of the eight
Speaker 1: the other great guards in the NBA. When Nate came
Speaker 1: in and you were trying to explain to him is
Speaker 1: not getting knocked out, its getting up. What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do once they got knocked out and you get
Speaker 1: back up? What do you do moving forward? What made
Speaker 1: you write that? Because I'm I'm you know, I see
Speaker 1: everyone's post. I know Nate personally, I know what type
Speaker 1: of person he is. He's a fighter, he's fierce, he
Speaker 1: doesn't back down. And I know because of you know,
Speaker 1: the curries and Lebron's everyone laughing, that probably hurt him,
Speaker 1: like hurt his soul like, I think that hurt more
Speaker 1: than the actual fight. Losing to a YouTuber. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure losing to a YouTuber. He's like, but it's your peers.
Speaker 1: You feel like you let him down, and you know,
Speaker 1: as as a big bro to him, I'm like, well, no,
Speaker 1: the letdown is if you don't get back in that ring. No,
Speaker 1: it's okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, Gil, don't talk that man on another one.
Speaker 1: And hey, hey, you win some, you lose some, Okay,
Speaker 1: you lost, let it go. It's okay. What's the what's
Speaker 1: the disci between a champion and the contender? A champion
Speaker 1: gets back up one more time. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If if if somebody beat me in my sport, it's okay,
Speaker 1: that's not what my thing is. Why did he feel
Speaker 1: he needed to do this? See? This is why I
Speaker 1: look at it. And you know how we are. If
Speaker 1: you me and Gil we're walking down the street and
Speaker 1: we see a b nest a bee hive or calling
Speaker 1: me of bees, they not bothering us. Now, Gil gonna
Speaker 1: go over there and start messing with him, and they
Speaker 1: light him up. I won't laugh. They weren't bothering you, Gil,
Speaker 1: you mess with it's them, so you deserve to get
Speaker 1: some ten fifteen times. However many times it took that
Speaker 1: guy didn't call Nate out. Nate called him out because
Speaker 1: he underasked, Hell, YouTuber, man, I beat the brakes off
Speaker 1: it and he underestimated it and the dude hitting with
Speaker 1: a one hit quitter. Uh huh. Now, now what you
Speaker 1: do is you call somebody else out that you know
Speaker 1: you can win, go wanting one and quick wit after
Speaker 1: the w That's what I was trying to say. He
Speaker 1: gotta fight him again, get to win. Here we go
Speaker 1: another word. You want? You want? You want somebody that
Speaker 1: he can But who could he be? Because now people YouTube,
Speaker 1: you can't be a YouTube Who you go ground? Hey,
Speaker 1: wellt's a YouTuber who's been boxing for about a year
Speaker 1: and a half. Now, hey box somebody who's who just fights?
Speaker 1: So what he who he gonna call out? Tony Hawk?
Speaker 1: Do what you gotta do? Plays Get you a W
Speaker 1: is all I'm saying, get you a WU before you
Speaker 1: quit the game. So so in other words, you feel
Speaker 1: that because I'm one are the ones I mean the
Speaker 1: means you know? But here the thing, No, Gil, you
Speaker 1: know this the new crime Jordan for the next year,
Speaker 1: This the new crime. Join me all think that he
Speaker 1: he getting over that. Listen, I had about four posts
Speaker 1: that I had to actually take down before I pushed it.
Speaker 1: But before I push Sin, before I push Sin, I
Speaker 1: had to let you know what I did, got about
Speaker 1: four or five times. So you want to so you
Speaker 1: want to rematch, not necessarily with Jake Paul, but you
Speaker 1: want him to fight to have a one and run
Speaker 1: record instead of a oh and one record. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get like, you know, yeah, you get knocked down, but
Speaker 1: get come on, get back up. This is what we do.
Speaker 1: Like this is this is what we do. We athletes.
Speaker 1: We get back up. Like if we if we quit
Speaker 1: after we got knocked down the first time, there would
Speaker 1: be no one but Gil. You know athletes from being
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. You know, our problem is is because
Speaker 1: we're grading one thing, we automatically soon we'll be grading
Speaker 1: something else. We automatically assume that. But oh I could
Speaker 1: do that, Oh I could do that. You know that's
Speaker 1: what get us in trouble. Yeah, hey, listen, we just
Speaker 1: watched Charles Barkley win, right, No, we watched Phil Mickerson win.
Speaker 1: I don't know who listen. First of all, I don't
Speaker 1: know who thought that two guys that are non professional
Speaker 1: can beat a professional and even a slappy. It's just
Speaker 1: like if you get two non pros in basketball and
Speaker 1: you put an NBA our current NBA player with another slap,
Speaker 1: the pro is gonna win. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson is one of the one of the top
Speaker 1: golfers all time, and you actually thought Steph and Peyton
Speaker 1: Maddy was gonna beat him and Charles as bad as
Speaker 1: Trump is. But look, he became a changed man. But
Speaker 1: I see Charles chose something that's non contact, that's not contact.
Speaker 1: He picked up golf. You could still be competitive even
Speaker 1: though you're competing against you know, you say you're compete
Speaker 1: against the other guy, you're actually competing against the course.
Speaker 1: But the courts don't hit back. Okay, you go eight straights,
Speaker 1: eight strokes or ten strokes over park the course, they
Speaker 1: hit you upside your head. It ain't hitting you, getting
Speaker 1: you no body shots. Yeah, I mean he took it,
Speaker 1: he took his lumps. He's gonna be embarrassed for a
Speaker 1: while while forever. But you're not living this down. That's
Speaker 1: why he gotta he gotta go knock somebody out. You
Speaker 1: gotta go knock somebody out, niggas, you gotta go knock
Speaker 1: somebody out. That's where it works. But see, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: They said he was doing this for the all the
Speaker 1: NBA player, for all the athletes. I mean the culture.
Speaker 1: He I mean this for the culture, not what he's saying.
Speaker 1: If we called it hell, now you got everybody. Now
Speaker 1: you know how they're looking at it us, They looking
Speaker 1: at us somebody like, oh I would try him, Oh
Speaker 1: they can, they can try me. They won't, they won't
Speaker 1: get a response. I can tell you that for show.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting the ring. You know, hold on, you
Speaker 1: don't gass up Nate and got him in the ring.
Speaker 1: And now you say even though you box, you got
Speaker 1: a box in background, you say you don't want no
Speaker 1: parts of it. No, like I try to do twenty
Speaker 1: push ups. Not No, I'm not even strong enough to
Speaker 1: get enough box of the ring. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that for show. So what about what about MLA for
Speaker 1: Nate for anybody, for any I think do you think
Speaker 1: any well? I think James James, James Jones could do it. James,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's black belt. Yeah, but that's something he
Speaker 1: but that's that's like something he actually thank you see
Speaker 1: something you actually do you do right, But the difference
Speaker 1: but the difference between that and let's say, like I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure like when you're when you're when you're playing
Speaker 1: you you're trained in boxing, right hard. Yeah, so if
Speaker 1: you're training in boxing and shot of boxing, you kind
Speaker 1: of think you can really throw them hands. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's what I said you he he probably was training
Speaker 1: and it really thought he could throw the hands and
Speaker 1: didn't realize like the sparring part of it, they're getting hit,
Speaker 1: they're reacting, you know, that is the most important. So
Speaker 1: I don't think he's sparred enough leading up to that fight.
Speaker 1: That's what Mike Tyson says. Everybody has a planned until
Speaker 1: they get hit. And the thing is with boxing, people
Speaker 1: don't understand how long three minutes actually is to be
Speaker 1: to have your senses acutely a key and to throw
Speaker 1: punches and also try to dodge punches while breathing. Because
Speaker 1: what happens when you get tired your hands dropped. What
Speaker 1: happens when you get tired your jaw dropped. Now you're
Speaker 1: susceptible to what a boom and there you go. And
Speaker 1: that's what happened with boxes and people like throw punches.
Speaker 1: I did boxing when I first got to LA about
Speaker 1: four years ago. I did boxing for a year and
Speaker 1: I quit because I just realized this ain't me. I said,
Speaker 1: it's hard, Frew three minute rounds and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: like a minute in and I'm gassed, and I'm not
Speaker 1: bouncing around like the little weight. And that's what a
Speaker 1: mistaken first of with me. You know, I see everybody
Speaker 1: else bouncing around. So I'm lad on my toes. And
Speaker 1: my training was tell him to say, bro, he said,
Speaker 1: you're too big for all that. You two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty pounds. That's a lot of energy that you burning.
Speaker 1: So just staying flat footed, you know, and just you know,
Speaker 1: you know, keep your hands up, you know, throw the punches.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting the mid I'm feeling good. You
Speaker 1: don't get I'm shooting here. Give me one too, poop poom,
Speaker 1: give me one, two three for poop poop poop poom. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know I'm doing all that. Man, not his seconds here.
Speaker 1: I'm spared. He's like, okay, you know, so my hands
Speaker 1: dropping here touch me, Okay, that's a head and I
Speaker 1: hit you on your arm. That have been your faint.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, come up, so you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So he doing all that, So there's
Speaker 1: a lot going in the boxing. Yeah. I think he
Speaker 1: just underestimated him, you know, being a YouTuber, probably been
Speaker 1: in their year. He figured he can just roll through him,
Speaker 1: and then it didn't working work in his favor. Swagging
Speaker 1: peace swagging Pea had a response to your response. So
Speaker 1: you are swagging pa, go getting getting the ring and
Speaker 1: put the gloves on. Yah. No, hey, I had to
Speaker 1: you see he didn't respond right whatever, Huh. I pulled
Speaker 1: up on him. Boy, you bet not even go on
Speaker 1: Instagram and try to chance to be no fight and
Speaker 1: had them people looking at me because I ain't doing it.
Speaker 1: We might as well just we might as well have
Speaker 1: stablish stat right now. I'm not doing it. You won one,
Speaker 1: and oh I gave up. I saw where Kobe you
Speaker 1: follow him and made you in the big in the
Speaker 1: fight game. I saw with Kobe Covington, he's always trying
Speaker 1: to call out. He's a maga guy. He's always trying
Speaker 1: to call out, especially black athletes that would protesting police
Speaker 1: brutality by taking the knee. He called out Lebron and
Speaker 1: says I would give King James half the amount of
Speaker 1: time that it took the YouTube guy to do that.
Speaker 1: To Nate Robinson, what's your response to to him? They're
Speaker 1: just chasing, They chasing the fame, you know there, you know,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta remember some people, they're banking on
Speaker 1: the response, right, that's all they care about. You know,
Speaker 1: he knows Lebron is not gonna fight him. Lebron is
Speaker 1: not gonna fight anymore. He won't, but he needs their
Speaker 1: response right to bump him up into that next category
Speaker 1: of fame, you know. And some people, some people that's
Speaker 1: all that, that's all they're on Instagram for. That is
Speaker 1: because you gotta remember eating with Nate. You know, he's
Speaker 1: three hundred and four hundred thousand followers, right, he challenges him,
Speaker 1: he's millions now, right, you know, so I don't know work.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know for those extra no, nine hundred
Speaker 1: thousand to a million followers, you just took some lumps
Speaker 1: for it, you know what. I looked at them last night.
Speaker 1: I was searching who has the most IG followers Christiano
Speaker 1: Ronaldo has like two hundred and forty three million. I
Speaker 1: think the Rock is next at two oh eight. I
Speaker 1: think Selina Arianna Grande is at two o five. I
Speaker 1: ain't taking no ass whipping for two hundwo o a
Speaker 1: million followers. I'm good. I keep my little one point
Speaker 1: eight building like five hundred a day. I'm good, gilt too,
Speaker 1: I'm with you too. Oh, there's a trade that happened
Speaker 1: John Wall Russell Westbrook, who won the trade? And why
Speaker 1: both their contracts is up? And about two years three years,
Speaker 1: about one hundred and thirty two million on both players right,
Speaker 1: both players. Both players shoot about the same from the three.
Speaker 1: Both players shoot the same from about from the field.
Speaker 1: Both players have an injury history. One's coming off of
Speaker 1: torn apl and achilles and the other guy has me
Speaker 1: problem that's probably bone on bone. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to it's it's hard to see who who won,
Speaker 1: because it's who meshes better. You Bill and Westbrook mesh
Speaker 1: better than James Harden and west I mean and John Wall,
Speaker 1: because that's all it comes down too. I mean, you
Speaker 1: gotta say something about Westbrook because the fact that he
Speaker 1: averaged twenty seven and ten and not really having a
Speaker 1: ball as much as he used to kind of tells
Speaker 1: you he gets it somehow, but he but he but
Speaker 1: he wasn't happy, But he wants to get back to
Speaker 1: playing like he played in O KC. Dominating. Because that's
Speaker 1: why it's so hard to judge this, Because all three
Speaker 1: guys are high used to guys. All three guys need
Speaker 1: the ball in their hands in order to be effective.
Speaker 1: And so Russ because John Wallace last year twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: he was second in time of possession with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hand behind Hard, but Russ and Hard normally
Speaker 1: goes back one two, one two. It's far usy. So
Speaker 1: how do we know who's gonna mesh better when Baby
Speaker 1: basically the same guy. I think Wizards win a little
Speaker 1: bit on this one because even though Westbrook needs the ball,
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not a bouncer. He doesn't he doesn't
Speaker 1: need many dribbles to actually do what he's trying to do.
Speaker 1: He gets, he gets right to the point you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna take you off the dribble and score, take
Speaker 1: you off the dribble and pass, and in fact that
Speaker 1: Brady Bill can spot up and and and move without
Speaker 1: the ball. Paul George played well with Westbrook that year,
Speaker 1: and Bill is kind of like a Paul George Hight
Speaker 1: where he doesn't really need the ball to be effective
Speaker 1: like that. So I think that all mess better than
Speaker 1: two guys who need the pound. But because you look
Speaker 1: at it, I think Rosbrook Westbrooks should probably average double
Speaker 1: digit sifts because he has Burtan who can shoot, Bradley
Speaker 1: Bill who can shoot, so he should, you know, he
Speaker 1: should average double digit assists, you know, so funny both
Speaker 1: of them probably gonna average double double digits assists because
Speaker 1: the problem with Houston is when James just when when
Speaker 1: when Harden is doing with Harden, does everyone else our Yeah?
Speaker 1: But because because John wall has that point guard vision
Speaker 1: a lot, Eric Gordon is gonna eat, you know, if p. J.
Speaker 1: Tucker's there, He's gonna eat a little bit more. So,
Speaker 1: John Waller is gonna be the pure point guard like
Speaker 1: Chris Paul was. But the difference of is that John
Speaker 1: Waller is a two masquerading Russell Westbrook is a two
Speaker 1: masquerading The truth point guard is like a Chris Paul
Speaker 1: or Rayjon Rondo. Most of the most of the point
Speaker 1: guards today are two's masquerading at points, Kyrie Irvin, either
Speaker 1: he's really a two masquerading at the point and how
Speaker 1: what makes you so convinced that John wall is going
Speaker 1: to mesh better with Harden than say Ruf Ruth or
Speaker 1: c P three. Because you have to and what you
Speaker 1: mean you have to You have to You gotta remember
Speaker 1: just like anything, it's you're going into a new city,
Speaker 1: you're going into a new prop. There's already a keen there.
Speaker 1: You have to sacrifice. You have to sacrifice you you,
Speaker 1: you know, just to survive. Sometimes you know you can't
Speaker 1: go in there, you know, thinking you're gonna dominate that ball,
Speaker 1: like I mean, and I'm gonna say it Hardened, It's
Speaker 1: gonna have to reevaluate how he plays the game. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm glad because you've don't had everyone. Now you didn't,
Speaker 1: You didn't have everyone, and everyone has came and gone.
Speaker 1: So is it them or is it you? Because think
Speaker 1: about it, you had you wanted Chris Paul, but and
Speaker 1: then you want didn't want Chris Paul. After year you
Speaker 1: running Russ, and then you didn't want Russ. After a
Speaker 1: year you had Dwight Howard, you had Clint Capella. I mean,
Speaker 1: at some point in time, even Covid said it rested
Speaker 1: soul before his death, he said, that's a great style
Speaker 1: if you like, you know, he gonna put up phenomenal numbers.
Speaker 1: But you can't win a championship like that. So do
Speaker 1: you want to win a championship or do you want
Speaker 1: to have be known as one of these elite scores
Speaker 1: and be known one of these the best player never
Speaker 1: to win a championship? Is it James Harden, Is it
Speaker 1: Karl Malone? Is it Charles Barkley? Is that Patrick Ewing?
Speaker 1: Because that's the road he's headed down, because there's no
Speaker 1: true offense, you know, with with the new owners coming
Speaker 1: in and that's coming from Wall Street, right, you know,
Speaker 1: and all they're doing is just crunching numbers on you know,
Speaker 1: statistics on how the game should be played. You give
Speaker 1: a guy who's a one on one player a whole
Speaker 1: game of one on one when one on one is
Speaker 1: the last four minutes when the game counts, the last
Speaker 1: five minutes of the ball. Yeah, that's where that's where
Speaker 1: That's where James Harden Kyrie game, that's where you excel.
Speaker 1: That's where you get to Okay, the offense. Everyone's keyed
Speaker 1: in on the offense. You use your natural ability to
Speaker 1: get us buckets right, not from not forty eight minutes
Speaker 1: of it. And that's what the game is turned into,
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes of a one on one style. So
Speaker 1: when I look at the how his game is played,
Speaker 1: I said, technically, he's the easiest person to guard, but
Speaker 1: hard to guard because he's perfected this style, that step.
Speaker 1: But but he doesn't. He doesn't at the back door,
Speaker 1: doesn't not a flair, doesn't know how to come up
Speaker 1: with other he doesn't do anything without the ball. He
Speaker 1: doesn't baseline run, he don't post up like you have
Speaker 1: this great offensive guy who only has one offensive tool dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot, dribble, dribble, dribble,
Speaker 1: step backble drive. You know you don't have a You
Speaker 1: know you have no no complete offensive game where everyone
Speaker 1: can actually eat. Are you surprised that the Clippers came
Speaker 1: up short and all the rumblings you were hearing about
Speaker 1: what transpired in the locker room and what ultimately may
Speaker 1: have led to them not succeeding this past season? Oh no, No,
Speaker 1: I knew they was. I knew they were terrible. Why
Speaker 1: because even from the beginning, I said, they never established
Speaker 1: who team this was. So what ends up happening is
Speaker 1: you have a Clipper team the year before that, this
Speaker 1: was a loose team, loose should have made the All
Speaker 1: Star Game that year. And then you bring in two stars.
Speaker 1: You got a team who don't We don't need you too,
Speaker 1: we we just made the playoffs, right, games up, healthy
Speaker 1: Golden State. Yeah, and then what ends up happening is YouTube. Come,
Speaker 1: you guys are loading managing. We're holding it down. You
Speaker 1: guys are getting a credit for it. We're holding it down.
Speaker 1: You guys are sitting out of practice. We're holding it down.
Speaker 1: You guys are all stars. Hold on. And because they
Speaker 1: publicly never said, all right, this is how the team is,
Speaker 1: this is this is who's the star, this is who's
Speaker 1: gonna take the shots at the end, because that that
Speaker 1: never was established. When it got the playoffs, that was
Speaker 1: gonna happen. See, everyone thought they were great, becau as
Speaker 1: they beat the Lakers, but nobody paid attention to well
Speaker 1: all four games. The Lakers was up fifteen points in
Speaker 1: the first quarter and then they had to panic and
Speaker 1: put in the two bench players, which that's all they had.
Speaker 1: You got two starters, two bench players. So you're saying
Speaker 1: they got the deepest bench in the league. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they got two players. That's averaging forty if you put
Speaker 1: those two players as starters. They have no bench. So
Speaker 1: the fact that they actually didn't have a real full roster,
Speaker 1: they were gonna get beat if you just shortened, if
Speaker 1: you just shortened the possessions, because now you got four
Speaker 1: lions trying to eat for trying to eat the same
Speaker 1: neil I look at the Clippers, do you think the
Speaker 1: leaders because Kawai never had to be a leader in
Speaker 1: San Antonio, Tim Duncan, Tony Parkamanu. When he went to Toronto,
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry was the leader. Paul George was not the leader. Okay,
Speaker 1: see that was rough. So you really never had leaders
Speaker 1: and Kawhi style of leadership. And this is what I
Speaker 1: help people, gil. Kawhi style of leadership is good as
Speaker 1: long as you're winning, because Kawhi just wants to go
Speaker 1: out there and who Kauhi is not gonna call a
Speaker 1: team meeting. He's not gonna have the guys over and
Speaker 1: talk and try to get through things. But the woman
Speaker 1: you get, you get to that deep water. Now you now,
Speaker 1: what do you do? You look over that k what
Speaker 1: just go? Now? Brought what you're gonna tell us? Am
Speaker 1: I offer? No, no, no, you're you're you're you're correct,
Speaker 1: like you know. And that that was the That was
Speaker 1: the biggest issue that I seen because the leaders was
Speaker 1: Brandon lou Will what was the leaders? You know? And
Speaker 1: you got the you know, the Chicago doll. You know
Speaker 1: Pat Bev. You know he's the one that gets him fired.
Speaker 1: But you gotta remember it's them three in the rest
Speaker 1: of the locker room versus these two. So when ship
Speaker 1: got clutchy, it's oh, do we really do we? Are
Speaker 1: they really? Are they really the stars? Or is it us?
Speaker 1: You know? And the thing it was the division. I
Speaker 1: think the thing is it's one thing to know that
Speaker 1: you have privileges and benefits. It's another thing to explore
Speaker 1: those when you're okay, you can live wherever you want
Speaker 1: to live. But that also means you gotta get up
Speaker 1: earlier and get here to make sure you're on time
Speaker 1: because when you show up late, Gil, the one thing
Speaker 1: that I hated was for someone to be late because basically,
Speaker 1: what you're telling me, Shannon, my time is more important
Speaker 1: to yours, even though I know you had to get
Speaker 1: up and get here on time. My time is way
Speaker 1: more important. So I'm cool. And so they look like,
Speaker 1: hold on, Doc, why you keep allowing this to happen.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody to tell him to move to San Diego?
Speaker 1: So we gotta hold up the plane. Doc. Why you
Speaker 1: keep saying that we need to practice, we need to
Speaker 1: get together, but you let him sit our practice, You
Speaker 1: let him miss the games. Why do you keep saying
Speaker 1: what we need to do when all you need to
Speaker 1: do is tell is but to practice. That's where to
Speaker 1: lead your steps. And see, like on a team like
Speaker 1: that and you're coming in and you're you have a
Speaker 1: low management that that's gonna happen. That should have been
Speaker 1: talked about at the beginning, right. That's like you know,
Speaker 1: on in my Wizard days, I wasn't leader of the team,
Speaker 1: Larry Hughes, I was Kauhi. I play. You tell me
Speaker 1: to hit hunt this person, I go give them business.
Speaker 1: You tell me, hey, these they ain't getting the ball. Okay,
Speaker 1: I give them the ball for a couple of possessions.
Speaker 1: Then I'm going back attacking. You know that was Larry's
Speaker 1: job to make sure everyone was happy, because my job
Speaker 1: was to kill. That's all I knew. And then when
Speaker 1: he left, then it was Antoine in Karan, Right, you
Speaker 1: keep the locker room. That ain't my job. I come in,
Speaker 1: I have fun, I do my job, and I go home,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why there was never no beef
Speaker 1: with us. We knew who was who. Right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: might be the face, but you guys, you're the captain.
Speaker 1: You guys on this, I'll be I'm the face up
Speaker 1: here because I'm the sextiest out of the three. I'm
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna be on the billboards and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna gona get the big money. But as a unit,
Speaker 1: we're moving how you guys want us to move? Do
Speaker 1: you think that Paul George coming in and thinking he's
Speaker 1: a superstar And okay, maybe you can understand Kawhi is
Speaker 1: the two time Finals MVP, he's a two time Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, he's a many time first team
Speaker 1: All NBA player, so you know him getting certain privileges. Okay,
Speaker 1: you understand that, But the guys are looking at Paul Georgiana.
Speaker 1: Hold on, PG, Wait a minute, brun, when did when
Speaker 1: did you become Lebron James, When did you become one
Speaker 1: of these, you know, one of these historically great players
Speaker 1: that you'll get the lower manage, that you'll get the
Speaker 1: call shots about practice at some point. You know, as
Speaker 1: an organization, you got two responsibility too, you know, because
Speaker 1: you do have two stars coming in. You know, Paul
Speaker 1: George coming on with two shoulder surgeries, right, so with
Speaker 1: two soldier surgeries, I'm pretty sure he didn't get the
Speaker 1: really train the way he's used to training in the
Speaker 1: summer because of it. You got Kawhi Leonard who load
Speaker 1: management that whole next year that should have been established
Speaker 1: before this season started. But you gotta remember there was
Speaker 1: gonna be animosity anyway because you got you got two
Speaker 1: guys who are carrying a load. But these two are
Speaker 1: getting all the credit, right so you know, but you
Speaker 1: have to be aware of your surroundings too, as Kawhi
Speaker 1: and Paul George, you gotta understand that, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to give these two some credit publicly, right. You know,
Speaker 1: we can't keep taking all the we can't keep everyone's
Speaker 1: cheering us on and we know what they're doing. You know,
Speaker 1: you you you gotta be able to understand the la. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Lou and Trace has been holding it down
Speaker 1: while we've been taking some break. And you know that's
Speaker 1: what makes us special, Like in that right there stops
Speaker 1: a lot of envious you know, tension in the locker room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think the thing is what happens is if
Speaker 1: you get guys that are that established, that have been
Speaker 1: there and have had a certain level of success, not
Speaker 1: the success that Kauai I've had as a team or
Speaker 1: as an individual. I think guy's become resentful in that
Speaker 1: they see what you're doing, what you're getting credit for,
Speaker 1: but you ain't practicing. You every third or fourth game
Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about we're winning because of you. But
Speaker 1: we play every game. We play every game, and you
Speaker 1: sub yourself in and out when you want to, you
Speaker 1: practice when you won't to, if ever, and what how
Speaker 1: that takes a special person to understand that, right And
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I went by the same
Speaker 1: logic when Kobe said he wants to know, like, forget
Speaker 1: the opponents, I want to know my players to the team, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to know how they take I
Speaker 1: don't know how they move, how they like their shots.
Speaker 1: How they clink. Like you have to know your players
Speaker 1: better than your opponents, right, so you would you would
Speaker 1: know how Trass feels. You would know how Lou feels.
Speaker 1: So you know when they give them credit, right you know,
Speaker 1: and and and and and those are the like I remember,
Speaker 1: like when you have that bad game but you win
Speaker 1: and you say, yeah, great team win. Deep down you're mad,
Speaker 1: like you know they not that they they can do
Speaker 1: without me. And that's where that great team win. That
Speaker 1: you know. That's but instead of saying great team, when
Speaker 1: you point out the people who at who had great games,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember if you're the face, you're the leader,
Speaker 1: they care more about what you say than what the
Speaker 1: media is gonna write, right, you know, So you you know,
Speaker 1: as players, you gotta understand these little things. These little
Speaker 1: things are just communicating can stop a lot of problems
Speaker 1: and stop a lot of breakups in organizations. Everybody can't
Speaker 1: play with historically great player because one thing you know
Speaker 1: is gonna happen that when you win, they're gonna get
Speaker 1: the credit, and when you lose, they're gonna give the blame.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say the bench that the role players didn't
Speaker 1: show up. That's just what it's always been like, that
Speaker 1: magic magic when with the exception of maybe a game
Speaker 1: here there, Magic wasn't gonna get any blame, Koban Shack
Speaker 1: weren't gonna get any blame. But Rick Fox and Fishing
Speaker 1: all those other guys. And you know, if you play
Speaker 1: with Lebron, this high goes. So basically goes Lebron and
Speaker 1: a D and then everybody else you gotta roll to.
Speaker 1: You gotta role to feel, You've got to feel that role.
Speaker 1: But I think Lebron does a great job of Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: we're going out to eat. Okay, guys, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: together room, we're gonna have PlayStation tournaments or guys. He
Speaker 1: does a great job of not just being a great
Speaker 1: basketball player, but being a great as far as team building,
Speaker 1: the in the locker room. Because people don't realize how
Speaker 1: far chemists will go. Yeah, that is the most That
Speaker 1: is the most important, you know, aspect of just just winning, yes,
Speaker 1: being great teammates is have any relationship outside of that court,
Speaker 1: because what ends up happening is if we have a
Speaker 1: friendship outside of that basketball court, whatever happens on the court,
Speaker 1: it stays on the court, right, it stays there. So
Speaker 1: you know, you you you might have something and I
Speaker 1: yell out something, you take it personal, correct, you know.
Speaker 1: But if we don't have a friendship and that happens,
Speaker 1: it rolls over. Yeah, I'm looking at you side with
Speaker 1: who do you think you're talking to? Yeah? All right,
Speaker 1: that's you know, full five games. You know, I ain't
Speaker 1: pass you the ball, you know, but but Lebron's doesn't.
Speaker 1: Has done a great job of bringing teammates together, like
Speaker 1: you know, including everybody, you know, so whatever happens on
Speaker 1: the court, it's not personal. Like even with j R. Smith.
Speaker 1: We all you know that j R. Smith for the
Speaker 1: dumb Les, never said one batman, we did it for him. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, because he knows this was just a moment.
Speaker 1: Our friendship posts tighter than this moment. Do you believe
Speaker 1: that's what happened in Golden State when when Draymond said
Speaker 1: what he said to KD. Do you believe because they
Speaker 1: weren't per se friends off the court, that that spilled over?
Speaker 1: Or was what was it what he said? Not so
Speaker 1: much that he's in what he said. Now what he's
Speaker 1: said is meaningless because we hear that all the time.
Speaker 1: That's just we're gonna hear that from twenty five opponents.
Speaker 1: He's probably said it a hundred times. But the problem
Speaker 1: comes down to this, because he is the new guy
Speaker 1: there and they've already established who's the leader of the group.
Speaker 1: So you got Draymond as the leader of the group,
Speaker 1: Craig and then everyone else's players. So if you if
Speaker 1: you look at the history of Golden State's time together,
Speaker 1: they never actually established who was the go to guy.
Speaker 1: We knew step Curry's the best player, he's the MVP,
Speaker 1: but nobody actually like paid attention to well the fact
Speaker 1: that these guys have actually set in four thirty fourth
Speaker 1: quarters full fourth quarters, that means they've never actually had
Speaker 1: experience in close quarter matches. So what ends up happening
Speaker 1: is Draymonds was used to getting the ball, taking off
Speaker 1: and making that plate if they ever actually got in
Speaker 1: that moment. There was never no given to step Let's
Speaker 1: run a place. So if you ever looked at Golden
Speaker 1: State last two minute basketball and close games, they were horrible.
Speaker 1: They were horrible because they were rarely in the moments.
Speaker 1: So when Katie comes, So when Katie comes, he's used
Speaker 1: to those moments. So He's like, give me that ball,
Speaker 1: and Draymond takes off turnover and right there the perfect
Speaker 1: storm hit. I feel that that was the moment that
Speaker 1: they couldn't come back because I think kadpat Draymond said
Speaker 1: because he said he called it that and say you've
Speaker 1: been that said, you know we didn't need you, We
Speaker 1: wont before you got here. Because now angry people, drums
Speaker 1: and kids will normally tell you the truth guilt. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but I remember they played against each other, so
Speaker 1: he didn't heard it from Draymond anyway. The media said
Speaker 1: in anyway, So he's doesn't hurt it all anyway. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just the perfect storm hit those two. Draymond's
Speaker 1: used to doing it his way, Katie's used to doing
Speaker 1: this his way, and when when it clashed, it clashed
Speaker 1: in the wrong way. Yeah, but it hit different when
Speaker 1: your boys, I mean, somebody outside it ain't something. But
Speaker 1: when your boy called you that, that's a little different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that ain't hit different. Oh no, it do hit different.
Speaker 1: But if if they had a friendship, like I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I have teammates knock on my door, you know after
Speaker 1: games because of stuff I said on the court, right
Speaker 1: I didn't answer the door, but they knocked. I figured
Speaker 1: once they go to sleep and wake up, be cool again,
Speaker 1: so I just let it. But here's the thing, where
Speaker 1: they friends or where their acquaintances or did KD? Did
Speaker 1: KD come there for a specific purpose and to get
Speaker 1: on because I never felt Kady was gonna retire Golden
Speaker 1: State Warrior. I thought he came there to do what
Speaker 1: he did, get those rings, get that monkey off his back.
Speaker 1: So you can no longer say Kevin Durant is the
Speaker 1: best players never won a championship and that was it.
Speaker 1: He was gonna bounce. I never thought Kady was gonna
Speaker 1: spend the restue. No, no, no, you had and I
Speaker 1: don't you know when Kady decided he was gonna leave,
Speaker 1: No one really put the thought into it. No one
Speaker 1: really said, all right, what would you do in this situation?
Speaker 1: So we if you, if you took a look at
Speaker 1: his stats and said, all right, what would I do here?
Speaker 1: You got four scoring tigers, MVP, three All Star MVPs.
Speaker 1: I mean you, as a Hall of Fame player first
Speaker 1: ballot by the age of twenty eight. The only thing
Speaker 1: you didn't have was a finals MVP and an NBA Championship.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing as an offensive player that you
Speaker 1: needed off your bucket list. And this team right now
Speaker 1: is gonna can give you both of them because you
Speaker 1: can go to Cleveland. You can go to Cleveland. You
Speaker 1: can go to Cleveland. But they said, now we're good,
Speaker 1: we were keeping our team. Next up is going to State.
Speaker 1: He only he only had two teams to go to Cleveland,
Speaker 1: to go to State where he can knock that off
Speaker 1: right there. Utter than that, nobody was in position to
Speaker 1: beat those two teams. So what's your early condition of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one back to back? Really, doctor Matt? What
Speaker 1: about the next They got Kyrie, they got Lavert, they
Speaker 1: got kd they got Den with It, they got Jared Allen,
Speaker 1: they got u Joe Harris, they got Tyler Johnson. They
Speaker 1: got a nice squad over there. They listen. I watched them.
Speaker 1: I watched them for two weeks. They playing amazing, They're
Speaker 1: working together amazing. But let's not forget Lebron and that
Speaker 1: Cleveland squad. We whatever that team was that went last
Speaker 1: place after he left. Remember you know they went THEYD
Speaker 1: last Yeah, after he left, locking up against Katie Curry
Speaker 1: Clay Draymond right, fold fold juggernauts. There's only two now
Speaker 1: and and he and he and he got help. So
Speaker 1: unless they're gonna get unless they gonna get hard in
Speaker 1: Westbrook over there. I don't, I don't. I don't see it,
Speaker 1: not in seven games. M that I think that's the
Speaker 1: matchup everybody would love to see. No, it'd be a
Speaker 1: good matchup. But you gotta remember Lebron himself takes he
Speaker 1: takes out at least two stars. You know, Kevin kd
Speaker 1: is gonna he's gonna match him point wise. But the
Speaker 1: little things you know Lebron does is what keeps him
Speaker 1: a little bit over Kadi when it comes to as
Speaker 1: a player. And then now you're gonna have to match
Speaker 1: and Davids up and Kyrie is not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to match that play. So you so Lakers is gonna edge,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a battle Yannis. What does Yannis
Speaker 1: need to do to win the championship? Learn how to
Speaker 1: play basketball? So you can't hear rule step everything for
Speaker 1: the free thrower. I mean you you you you to
Speaker 1: be honest. He's the James Harden of the West Coast,
Speaker 1: I mean of the East coast. But James Harden is
Speaker 1: in the West, is what Jannis is There? You have
Speaker 1: a guy who's not the point guard who dominates the ball,
Speaker 1: and he's playing one style, and that style is I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to take all my all the all the
Speaker 1: big man who can't move off the dribble year onto
Speaker 1: the step and get some dunks. That is amazing during
Speaker 1: the regular season. When that's small, when that court gets small,
Speaker 1: you cannot do that anymore, Right, you can't, you can't
Speaker 1: play that. You can't play that style. And like he's
Speaker 1: like t boat but not in the red zone. Right, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta no, no, no, You're gonna have to make
Speaker 1: some actual plays before you get here. Like I know
Speaker 1: you're good here, are you good? When nothing? When you
Speaker 1: don't have to think no, no, we're gonna bring you
Speaker 1: back here. Let's let's get you to that point. So
Speaker 1: when when the small, when the court gets small, that
Speaker 1: style doesn't work. So what do you think it? Obviously,
Speaker 1: So what would you tell him to work on? Because
Speaker 1: I think until he can shoot a fifteen foot jumper consistently,
Speaker 1: until he can shoot better from the three, and then
Speaker 1: he's terrible at the file line. So basically is he
Speaker 1: the dunks of layoups. Yeah, he's gonna need to get
Speaker 1: back to the basket where they can actually double them.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember it. To utilize your shooters, someone has
Speaker 1: to be double, right. So if you're if your style
Speaker 1: is drive, hero spin dunk, and you decide to pass it, well,
Speaker 1: those guys are still guarded. So now your shooters are
Speaker 1: not getting easy batter He's like, it's like Blake Griffin
Speaker 1: because you were so used to playing this style. When
Speaker 1: it counts, no one else gets to eat. So unless
Speaker 1: he learns how to play back to the basket where
Speaker 1: when he gets the ball, teams are actually shifting. Now
Speaker 1: now now, now Middleton hit three threes. Now you gotta
Speaker 1: play you one on one. Now you can go score.
Speaker 1: Now you can do those little things. But Holiday kind
Speaker 1: of helps him a lot. He helps him a lot.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your NBA career. What what are you
Speaker 1: most proud of That I got to live on my
Speaker 1: my my childhood dream. You know, I grew up a fan,
Speaker 1: and you know I got I got to live and
Speaker 1: play this game from a fan standpoint. So I enjoyed
Speaker 1: every bit of it. I enjoyed signing an autograph, taking
Speaker 1: the pictures, doing the hell happy birthday, shaking everybody's hands,
Speaker 1: like that's what I enjoyed, taking my jersey off, throwing it,
Speaker 1: watching the kids go crazy, like I enjoyed all of it.
Speaker 1: What would you do differently? Or do you think your
Speaker 1: career into prematurely? You know, not not? You know what
Speaker 1: I would What I would do differently is like take
Speaker 1: the injury I had serious, Like, you know, when you
Speaker 1: get injured, you're you're you're put on you're put on pause.
Speaker 1: You know. So going into a summer where you know
Speaker 1: you're you don't kill you don't you you you don't
Speaker 1: stepped into another realm of play, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: trying to get better. You're trying to get better, you know,
Speaker 1: you're trying to catch the Kobe and the Steve Nash.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I want to train this rehab stuff
Speaker 1: that can wait. I don't know what y'all trying to do,
Speaker 1: these little these little movements that ain't that, ain't that,
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get that, ain't gonna get me forty at night.
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all doing here, you know. So
Speaker 1: I didn't take that serious and end up having three
Speaker 1: knee surgeries in fourteen months. You carry tory a cl right,
Speaker 1: no mcl pcl meniscus, Michael fracture. Yeah, oh yeah. So
Speaker 1: basically you're like bone on bone at that point in time.
Speaker 1: Now I had a little bit. I had a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little yeah. Right, you go to the Bay, you
Speaker 1: start out in the Bay, and then you go to
Speaker 1: DC with after Michael leaves. What was the culture like
Speaker 1: in the locker room after Michael left? Because I know
Speaker 1: you've heard stories, Okay, so you know what, so this actually,
Speaker 1: this would make it make sense everything that my contract,
Speaker 1: all of it would make it make sense. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I'm in Costa Rica when everything went sour with Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's Okay, so I think they was like this little gray,
Speaker 1: this little this little thing going around where no free
Speaker 1: agents is supposed to go to Washington. So so when
Speaker 1: I get off, you know, and I'm getting offered, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was second. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lamar Odom was the number one free agent. I was
Speaker 1: number two. So I was, you know, talking with Miami.
Speaker 1: They were they were gonna draft. They just drafted Dwayne
Speaker 1: Wade and they didn't know if they were gonna put
Speaker 1: him at the one, try him at the one, and
Speaker 1: they didn't. You know, pat Rody said, I don't believe
Speaker 1: in paying young players. Clippers they were being forced to
Speaker 1: pay because they had all this money and all these
Speaker 1: free agents. Utah, I didn't want to follow John Stockton,
Speaker 1: who just retired. That wasn't my game. I felt my
Speaker 1: career would die me trying to you know, do me.
Speaker 1: That's what they didn't use for twenty something years. So
Speaker 1: it was basically Washington DC and Clippers. And what ends
Speaker 1: up happening is I think I went to go visit.
Speaker 1: I went to go visit in a poland said, because
Speaker 1: that was my dad. What happened? Were you with Michael Jordan?
Speaker 1: And he told him. He said, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: like the way he was talking to the team, you know,
Speaker 1: the way he was treating the team. I asked all
Speaker 1: the players do they want him back? And the player said, though,
Speaker 1: so I had to reneague on the deal that I
Speaker 1: did with with mj And you know, you know, I
Speaker 1: felt I felt bad, but you know, it's the team.
Speaker 1: You know, I did what the team wanted me to do.
Speaker 1: So it was like okay, and then you know, and
Speaker 1: he was like, listen, if you come here, whatever we had,
Speaker 1: whatever we get, it's yours. Just get me out of this,
Speaker 1: z MJ. Horror. You can be the you're the face.
Speaker 1: You'd be the face. We don't have a face here.
Speaker 1: We have you know, Clint Porters. But you know, you
Speaker 1: can be a real you can be a real starting,
Speaker 1: he said, we have Clint Porters, you know he's a start,
Speaker 1: but you can be a real star with your personality,
Speaker 1: with your play. You know, the city is really trying
Speaker 1: to figure out who to grap on. Nobody that store has,
Speaker 1: that store has never been told. What transpired between mister Polian,
Speaker 1: the former owner of the Wizards, and Michael Jordan is
Speaker 1: that he said he didn't like the way he talked
Speaker 1: to the to his teammates, to the to the to
Speaker 1: the to the players. It was you know, listen, player
Speaker 1: and a player personnel because he was in charge of
Speaker 1: you know, drafted players and he was also a teammate
Speaker 1: and with also playing. Yeah, so you know when MJ
Speaker 1: comes down to play, he's he's he's Michael Jordan. It's
Speaker 1: not you know, it's not general manager Michael Jordan, it's
Speaker 1: the player. Michael Jordan. So that player Michael Jordan. Have
Speaker 1: you seen the last dance? That's the Michael Jordan, right,
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna pushing, pushing, you know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be competitive. Well, a bunch of eighteen nineteen twenty they
Speaker 1: don't understand that. They can't take that, you know. So
Speaker 1: you know that's what they were crying, like, oh man,
Speaker 1: if that's the way he talked to us, then what
Speaker 1: happens if he's our boss, We're never gonna be able
Speaker 1: to you know. And that was and that was a thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, mister Poland, you know, made his decision.
Speaker 1: You know. So when when when I decided to come,
Speaker 1: my whole thing was I have one job to do
Speaker 1: and he has my back, right, my job is to
Speaker 1: make it less MJ talk did it when you signed?
Speaker 1: Did MJ call you and say, man, what they here?
Speaker 1: You do? And I thought we had they had him
Speaker 1: agreement that you weren't gonna go there. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. That was like we didn't have the agreement.
Speaker 1: That was like the rumor that I heard, like you like,
Speaker 1: nobody's supposed to be going to Washington because I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: Washington ain't got nobody, you know, Brian uh, Brian Russell
Speaker 1: just opted out. So it the cap up, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I can, really I can. I mean,
Speaker 1: he said he's gonna have him a back, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, if he said he's gonna have a back,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a back, you know. So so I came,
Speaker 1: I did my thing, and this is how I got
Speaker 1: paid one to eleven. Ernie Grunfield. When I was when
Speaker 1: we were negotiate, I had three surgeries already, I didn't
Speaker 1: know I had two, and I decided I was gonna
Speaker 1: opt out. Ernie Grunfield negotiated his ass off. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie like. It was one of those where I
Speaker 1: knew I didn't have any leverage because I had two
Speaker 1: knee knee surgeries. I didn't only play two games. So
Speaker 1: I decided I was gonna have my agent zero tour
Speaker 1: start July one, right free, the first day free agency.
Speaker 1: So if I didn't like the way this was going,
Speaker 1: I can go out of the country. Now you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna have to wait and then watch the rest
Speaker 1: of the free agency. Someone's gonna panic and then now
Speaker 1: so now someone's gonna be trick to give me some money.
Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is the first the first
Speaker 1: domino was Baron Davis opts out and Golden State gets
Speaker 1: all this money. So, uh, rumor, rumor hits my phone,
Speaker 1: A rumor I hit. I look. Bertie said, hey, Golden
Speaker 1: State at twelve o'clock, it's gonna offer you five years,
Speaker 1: one hundred and one million dollars. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, but I man, it's like, man, I just
Speaker 1: bought a house, five million dollar house. What a helicopter? Hey?
Speaker 1: All right, So you know I'm going into the meeting
Speaker 1: all cocky. What's having to y'all? What was happening? You know?
Speaker 1: And you know, Ernie does this spill? You know, you
Speaker 1: did great for the city. You know, you know they
Speaker 1: love you here, We love you here, and you know
Speaker 1: we think you deserve it. And you know, push that
Speaker 1: contract to me, you know, smiling baby, you know. And
Speaker 1: I seen and I'm not gonna lie. It was six years,
Speaker 1: eighty six million, like I had to, like you know
Speaker 1: how you like like rub your eye because I thought
Speaker 1: it was a one mission. I thought it was it
Speaker 1: was you know, one eight, one hundred and eighty six million,
Speaker 1: eighty six like whoa, this is this must be Antoine's money.
Speaker 1: This is you might have a wrong check. This is
Speaker 1: this is when Antoine's trying to get this. Ain't like,
Speaker 1: yeah I'm in a hundred. I think I'm in a
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty hundred twenty something like that. This is
Speaker 1: eight eight. This is who are you off? A little bit?
Speaker 1: And he was like and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: mean to be rude, but already I'm I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: the max from Golden State. Baron Davis is opted out.
Speaker 1: So they actually hold on, did the research and realize
Speaker 1: he opted out. So I said, you know, on that note,
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta get up early in the morning.
Speaker 1: I gotta go fly to China do my tour. And
Speaker 1: they're like, when you come back? I said, July eleventh,
Speaker 1: and it's like wait what. I was like, yeah, July eleventh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back. So I'm gonna sit and think about,
Speaker 1: you know, the two offers that I have. I got
Speaker 1: the eighty six million hid and then I got the
Speaker 1: one hundred and one for five years. Woke up in
Speaker 1: the morning, phone rings a poland hey, listen, do not
Speaker 1: worry about nothing that had happened earlier this morning. I
Speaker 1: just found out. No, no, no, the max is yours. Whatever.
Speaker 1: The max is one hundred, twenty hundred and fifty two hundred,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it is yours. That's your money. You
Speaker 1: earned it. I told you when you came. You you you,
Speaker 1: you helped me out of this Jordan situation. I was
Speaker 1: gonna take care of you here. It is max is yours.
Speaker 1: You do with it how you see fit. Do not
Speaker 1: worry about what they offer you, because that was not me.
Speaker 1: You want a hundred thirty, you want one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1: I gotta write your personal check. Let me know, because hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the last contract I side. Wow. And
Speaker 1: and that was that was our conversation. Man. So mister
Speaker 1: Paulian was good to you. He was. He was great.
Speaker 1: When you said, he hit your back from the beginning.
Speaker 1: He had your back to the end. Yeah, he did
Speaker 1: not like knee. I don't care if you play one. Hey,
Speaker 1: I don't care if you played one game, full thousand games.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the last contract outside you're my guy. Wow.
Speaker 1: So you know, so I took one eleven, so my
Speaker 1: max was one twenty seven. So I took one eleven
Speaker 1: to save sixteen million for free agents or Antoine, who
Speaker 1: was also up right, that's awful. Nice to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey listen, hey, the man blessed me with whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta feed too, because the
Speaker 1: thing is normally normally Kobe, I think Kobe. I think
Speaker 1: Kobe said this. Kobe said, yes, I'm a millionaire, But
Speaker 1: why would I give a billionaire discount because they don't
Speaker 1: give anybody discount. But for you to do that so
Speaker 1: someone else get an opportunity to eat, I think you
Speaker 1: should be commended for that. I thank you, foolish, but
Speaker 1: you should be commended. Yea. But the committed comes from
Speaker 1: the owner. I had a relationship with the owner. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just like anybody. Hey listen, there's there's someone
Speaker 1: who writes that check, and then there's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of people in the middle of them. I don't want
Speaker 1: to I don't care about the people in the middle.
Speaker 1: I want to know who that check right is, and
Speaker 1: that's who I'm talking to. How you doing, because when
Speaker 1: it's time to sign a contract to be traded, I
Speaker 1: want to be a person, not a name on the sheet. Right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, oh, you crunch your
Speaker 1: numbers and say we don't need you. Hey, mister poland,
Speaker 1: how you doing? Are you jogging? I'm gonna head a
Speaker 1: jog with you. Was how you doing? So when my
Speaker 1: knees went out, Hey, I'm not worried about none of
Speaker 1: that kned stuff. Here's that money. Thank you. You had
Speaker 1: great success, You go to the playoffs, you play I
Speaker 1: think you play Lebron twice in your in your three
Speaker 1: year run in when you made the playoffs, right, I
Speaker 1: played him one helpet one and then a half for
Speaker 1: hurt one. Okay, And that was kind of like his
Speaker 1: coming out party because those that that series, he just
Speaker 1: he just goes off. Yeah. Did you obviously you were
Speaker 1: in the league when he got drafted. Did you ever
Speaker 1: think watching him being that he would be where he
Speaker 1: is now? Yes? I remember I made a comment to
Speaker 1: one of my teammates and I said, this is two
Speaker 1: thousand things, like two thousand four or five seasons. Okay.
Speaker 1: I said, he's gonna go down as top three greatest
Speaker 1: of all time and never taps into his real real ability,
Speaker 1: as I said, because he doesn't have to. That's how
Speaker 1: dominate this man is gonna be that he's never gonna
Speaker 1: have to to tap into of what is in that body.
Speaker 1: Because I watched something that I didn't see and it
Speaker 1: came from an eighteen ninety year old kid, as I
Speaker 1: wrote it on my Instagram. Where I'm at the house,
Speaker 1: we're playing cards, and him in Savannah. They're sitting there.
Speaker 1: You know, you got Richie, you know, all the same crew,
Speaker 1: he has the same same team and having all the
Speaker 1: same team and he's sitting there just like just watching sports.
Speaker 1: Like I mean when I say what detail like watching
Speaker 1: every knowing everything, knowing this this girl soccer, who's the
Speaker 1: best player, who should win? Like it was like it
Speaker 1: I'm like playing cards but watching and it was a computer.
Speaker 1: He was a computer. And then the following year when
Speaker 1: we playing HM in the playoffs, went over there because
Speaker 1: you know, it's chest down. I want I want to
Speaker 1: see what what's going on? You know, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I want to peek under the hood y'all playing card.
Speaker 1: Let's play some cards. You know they over there breaking
Speaker 1: down plays. You know this that you know got the
Speaker 1: film I'm watching. I'm watching our plays. Mothers know everything
Speaker 1: over here. Huh, man, I just okay, I can see
Speaker 1: what's going on, and I'm watching this man just study, study, study, understanding.
Speaker 1: So what everybody's hearing now, I invent that, Yo. He
Speaker 1: knows everything that's going on in that court. He knows
Speaker 1: what everyone's supposed to be. He knows, he knows if
Speaker 1: the play is real, the play is faith. He knows
Speaker 1: exactly what is expired all through that game. Yo. Why
Speaker 1: do you think it's so hard for the older guard
Speaker 1: to give this man the credit that he deserves. I mean,
Speaker 1: you see so many people, well, he's not top ten,
Speaker 1: or he's not this, and he did this, he last.
Speaker 1: You know, it's always no matter what he does, it
Speaker 1: always goes back to, well, but he couldn't have played
Speaker 1: in my generation, or he couldn't have done this, or
Speaker 1: everybody's afraid of Lebron. It still said, the man is great.
Speaker 1: He'd be great in any generation, because I don't know
Speaker 1: how many in the fifties, sixties and seventies sixty nine
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pound guys could handle the ball
Speaker 1: could do what he could do. Because everyone takes evolution
Speaker 1: out of it. No one wants to believe. Everyone believes
Speaker 1: that their error was the Golden era. Like you know,
Speaker 1: if if you go down the line, look at rap.
Speaker 1: They don't like the new wave through the way before that,
Speaker 1: they didn't like that wave. That's just you know, uh
Speaker 1: Ran next reflex, he didn't like the jay z here.
Speaker 1: Like It's just it's just it's the competitiveness of it,
Speaker 1: you know, even though it's like, well then it's man,
Speaker 1: I mean you was a great defensive player. You did this,
Speaker 1: but you were you were six seven, two ten, right, bro,
Speaker 1: those are point guards now, yes, you know, we're we're bigger,
Speaker 1: we're stronger, we're fast. You know that's just however, but
Speaker 1: you I mean, you're gonna have your your guys that
Speaker 1: that no matter where you dropped the mat, you dropped
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson in, he's still he's still a six nine
Speaker 1: point guard. That's still not in this era. You know.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna you still got your Michael Jordan's right,
Speaker 1: you know. So you got guys who can go through
Speaker 1: from older rors in too. But there's some guys who
Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking right. You know, you you're six four
Speaker 1: and you was a sinner. Let that let that go,
Speaker 1: let that dream go, you know. So I just think
Speaker 1: that they can't accept the fact that low it's a
Speaker 1: different game. But today we're one hundred times more skilled
Speaker 1: because of rule change, because of evolution then you guys were.
Speaker 1: That's just how it is. You score fifty four on
Speaker 1: the suns, and many believe it was because of the
Speaker 1: way Mike D'Antoni treated you on the national team. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, he took you off the team with
Speaker 1: that personal Okay, I'll be honest. Story tell a story.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. Mike D'Antoni didn't do nothing, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But but I couldn't go back to college to to
Speaker 1: talk to coach Mike, right, you know, well I needed
Speaker 1: to talk to him. So what ends up happening is
Speaker 1: when I make the team and I got selected, I called.
Speaker 1: I called coach. I think it was fourth of July.
Speaker 1: So I wish him happen fourth to July. You know,
Speaker 1: can't wait, you know, to try outs and you know,
Speaker 1: whatever you need for me. You know, hey, I'm willing
Speaker 1: to do right. You gotta remember, at this time, on
Speaker 1: this team, there's only three players that's two time All Star,
Speaker 1: two time All NBA. That's me, Lebron and Dwayne Wade. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're trying. We're going through our day. Boom boom boom.
Speaker 1: Now this is the part that irritated the hell out
Speaker 1: of me. So they got they started union. I'm not
Speaker 1: in it. That's cool. I'm cool with that, you know.
Speaker 1: I you know, I can sacrifice for the better man. So,
Speaker 1: but my unit, my team is this so we can
Speaker 1: so we can see how this plays. I have Kirk
Speaker 1: Hinrich as a point. They got me at the two.
Speaker 1: I have Brad Miller, Antoine, Shane Battier. I think that
Speaker 1: was it. It was it was it was the It
Speaker 1: wasn't Lebron. So the other team is Lebron Boss Dwhite, Howard,
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson, Chris Paul. So that's all one unit with
Speaker 1: the second unit whooping their ass. I'm whooping their ass
Speaker 1: because they got to play his own Oh yeah, So
Speaker 1: kirkis just give me them all. Just oh I eat,
Speaker 1: I eat through all this red here this because this
Speaker 1: was like a personal challenge for me, because this is
Speaker 1: where I'm trying to like, like, I just missed the
Speaker 1: free throws and Lebron so I'm on a whole another
Speaker 1: wave of mentality. Anyway, I just I just came from
Speaker 1: training in San Francisco with the black Ops guy named Frank,
Speaker 1: So he don't got the mental right, he got the
Speaker 1: confidence right. And what ends up happening is I'm playing
Speaker 1: against the best five the world can get me. Right now,
Speaker 1: this is the best five that I'm gonna be playing against,
Speaker 1: and I'm about I'm about to put him to the bricks.
Speaker 1: So we'll go to twenty one. I got seventeen, I
Speaker 1: got eighteen, Like I'm really dominating because I have to.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have the scores on my team.
Speaker 1: So basically my whole group is running the offense through me.
Speaker 1: So Kirk was smart enough. Kurt like, yo, hey, just
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you. Just do what you do. So
Speaker 1: we're we're we're we're testing this group and I remember
Speaker 1: wearing South Korea and it's it's hot in the gym.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're dunking like I'm thinking I'm Lebron James
Speaker 1: the way I was jumping and feeling good. And I
Speaker 1: remember I'm playing in the game. We're playing a game
Speaker 1: and he puts me in and I scored three straight buckets.
Speaker 1: Pop Pop Pop here this sub I know he ain't
Speaker 1: seven me. I just got in about two minutes ago
Speaker 1: and I can get the tap of right, Like so
Speaker 1: I run off the court. Cool, all right, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: you killing boy but yeah, light and lit the way up,
Speaker 1: we're blowing. Were blowing him out. Everybody gets something at
Speaker 1: the end of the game, but me and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here like, yo, right, I do something wrong? This man
Speaker 1: like like like what's going on? Like like I'm really
Speaker 1: like like this was like this was like a bit
Speaker 1: like yo, what's going on? Like why are why am
Speaker 1: I the only person not there? Like we we he
Speaker 1: said me, like I played thirty minutes and now with
Speaker 1: with he trying to save you for something. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. So you know. So I went to Colangelo
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I think I hurt my growing, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold a spot up for Brad
Speaker 1: Miller or Bruce Boying. He was one of my Bruce
Speaker 1: Boyne and he hit me with, yeah, yeah you want
Speaker 1: the bubble getting cut like whinny cut, like like I'm
Speaker 1: top I'm top three? Hit what do you mean cut?
Speaker 1: So I was already give me my check. I get
Speaker 1: back on the plane and I'm hearing the rumors that
Speaker 1: it was more of a shoe issue than it was
Speaker 1: me personally, or it was my agent who had Sean
Speaker 1: Marion and they were going back. They were they were negotiating,
Speaker 1: and that was a phoenix sun. So that's where Dan
Speaker 1: Dan Tony came in that. You know, they were negotiating
Speaker 1: and they were taking it out on me. So I
Speaker 1: got Matt fired. My agent said, minute, if you over here, Burnie,
Speaker 1: I can burn my own bridges. I don't need you
Speaker 1: to help me burn bridges. So I fired my agent.
Speaker 1: And then that's when I went on a tangent said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna go score fifty against you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go score fifty against you because I can't go
Speaker 1: back to college now and get that man seven hundred,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's how the fifty four came like.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I came at the court, he
Speaker 1: told me, he's like, you're gonna have to score more
Speaker 1: than fifty to beat us. It was on the sixteen
Speaker 1: game winning street. I said, oh, trust me, I'm planning
Speaker 1: on it. They already know they ain't getting the ball today.
Speaker 1: The score could be fifty zero. I'm gonna have fifty.
Speaker 1: They could be fifty to one hundred. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: all fifty of our points. I'm leaving this building with
Speaker 1: fifty tonight. So that's so, that's how the fifty four
Speaker 1: came about. Yeah, because I just felt that he was
Speaker 1: part of the He he didn't do he was nice
Speaker 1: at hell to me, you know, but just he was
Speaker 1: part of it. Was part of the team. Right. You
Speaker 1: mentioned about the playoff game in which you've got five
Speaker 1: and you got you got two free throws and Lebron
Speaker 1: comes by and taps here on the chests and whisper
Speaker 1: something to you. What did What did he tell you?
Speaker 1: He said, if you missed these free throws, you know
Speaker 1: who's gonna win it all? Right? Now, what makes it?
Speaker 1: What makes it worse? What makes it worse? Is this
Speaker 1: so because we gambled at Lebron's house, me, Damon Jones,
Speaker 1: you know that was our group, right, So Damon Jones
Speaker 1: is horrible, horrible. He was horrible, horrible cards. So he
Speaker 1: owed me money. So I always used to say, like
Speaker 1: every time we played them, I always used to scream
Speaker 1: out the landlords here, the landlord needs has dripping money.
Speaker 1: That's like every time he came to Town shoot around.
Speaker 1: I'm yelling it the game, I'm yelling it like that's
Speaker 1: all I yell. So I told the coach, anytime you
Speaker 1: put Damon Jones in, I'm going to one fourth flat.
Speaker 1: He owes him in money until he pays me my
Speaker 1: money one full flat. He's gonna be a liability out
Speaker 1: on his court. And that's what I did every time
Speaker 1: became in one for flat. So they wasn't so he
Speaker 1: stopped playing. So he doesn't even playing games six. So
Speaker 1: when he when he whispers, you know who's gonna hit it,
Speaker 1: everybody assumed it was him. I knew what he was
Speaker 1: talking about, and I think the thought went into my head, Oh,
Speaker 1: they really gonna put David Jones in and let it shut,
Speaker 1: and I just I just missed. Like it was like
Speaker 1: I was. I was bawling that game, just hit the
Speaker 1: three to get us in overtime, playing great in overtime,
Speaker 1: very great battle. And then I see David Jones and
Speaker 1: there stretching and and they really put the man in.
Speaker 1: And the fact that Lebron even passed him the ball
Speaker 1: is what hurt the most, Like you like you're really
Speaker 1: that petty where you would actually get that man the ball?
Speaker 1: Who who? Who does that? That's what That's why I
Speaker 1: said I had that. That's why I said I wanted
Speaker 1: to go like do mental stuff right like with the
Speaker 1: with the mental training, because I was like, this didn't
Speaker 1: just happened. You didn't tell me this man was gonna
Speaker 1: come in and hit, and then he comes in and
Speaker 1: then you passed him the ball like he's done hit
Speaker 1: five straight threes. I need to go season Hill because
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the next uh Nick Anderson
Speaker 1: out here. You mentioned the card playing. What is it
Speaker 1: about NBA players playing cards? And what was the game
Speaker 1: that you and a lot of the NBA players played.
Speaker 1: You know, just like any any card game, it's passed
Speaker 1: on from whoever started it, you know, Like I remember,
Speaker 1: I think Jordan I first came in. Huh. I think
Speaker 1: Jordan is a guts guy. Guts We played boot Ray Ray. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we played Boo Ray. So lucky for me, I was
Speaker 1: never on a team that played real high stakes Boo Ray. Okay,
Speaker 1: Like you know when I first came in, I'm playing,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty dollars a hand, brew Ray, you know,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't really like you lose four thousand dollars. Bro,
Speaker 1: you you had a heart attack, right because I remember
Speaker 1: I won. I remember I won three hundred dollars. What
Speaker 1: what three hundred? Yeah, you gotta remember when you don't
Speaker 1: spend all your money on the escalade Trump and some jewelry.
Speaker 1: When you first get drafted and then you go thirty
Speaker 1: one pick, you don't spend all that So three hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: it's everything right now. On the road, you know, you
Speaker 1: know so so and then when I went to Washington.
Speaker 1: You gotta remember it's a young team. So the card
Speaker 1: players there was it was Larry Hughes, sack House, and
Speaker 1: Christian because that guys played with Jordan's. Yeah, so what
Speaker 1: were you guys? So you guys were playing Boo Ray. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we was playing We was playing bout Ray. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't I remember, like I knew it. It was one.
Speaker 1: It was one thing like that happened and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm never gonna play this game for
Speaker 1: that kind of money. No mode, Okay, what happens? So
Speaker 1: stack House like stack House, I owe stack House three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and he said, you know what, you know
Speaker 1: you knew here, I'm gonna head can your discount man,
Speaker 1: two thousand, you only got to pay me too, Like,
Speaker 1: all right too, He's like, I know you got the money,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know two thousand, ye sure, nice
Speaker 1: discount my man, thousand out of discount. Welcome to the team.
Speaker 1: I ended up beating him. He owed me twelve thousand.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, man, you know you're gonna hear give
Speaker 1: me that discount I called a thousand. You know, you
Speaker 1: go ahead and pay me eleven. This man said two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. So right, So I'm looking around like wait
Speaker 1: how much? Oh? I was like, oh you want me
Speaker 1: to take off two thousand? Okay, I'm give me to you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you two thousand. Huh is it? But
Speaker 1: where you you? Huh as it? Don't even know that
Speaker 1: they don't even equal. He said, I gave you a discount, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you took off one thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and he said, are you gonna take this two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars or not? Like I So I look around right
Speaker 1: and I'm getting to take that money. But to take
Speaker 1: that money and I'm looking like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: discount this whatever? No no, no, no, no, no, se
Speaker 1: see that's what happened. You know, money out of sight
Speaker 1: calls a fight because no, no, no, if I give
Speaker 1: you a discount, the discount is what I say it is.
Speaker 1: You don't set the discount. I can't go into the
Speaker 1: store and tell the people when I want forty percent
Speaker 1: of this. They said it, okay, it's twenty percent, it's
Speaker 1: thirty percent, it might be sixty. But the customer don't
Speaker 1: set the discount. The store is Hey, your your muscles
Speaker 1: tell you that. My muscles told me just take this
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars and shut the hell up. All right.
Speaker 1: That's that's what my muscles told me to do. Because
Speaker 1: gil what we playing, I know you heard of it
Speaker 1: called in between m and so we played in me
Speaker 1: some people playing with one decks, some people played with
Speaker 1: two decks. We always three decks, but we always played
Speaker 1: with two decks. And so you know, obviously you flip
Speaker 1: up the car. So if you get an ace, you say,
Speaker 1: you know, high or low, and then whatever the next
Speaker 1: card is. So we're going to the super Bowl, you know,
Speaker 1: we we got super Bowl ticket. Everybody to come down
Speaker 1: with money because we're gonna be going for a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, going around in the pots climbing. So now
Speaker 1: there's like fifteen grand in the pot, so we come
Speaker 1: as okay, it's a a a's high he said, oh hi,
Speaker 1: and then another would come. So it's automatic. Look so
Speaker 1: it's automatic low because you can't have high, so it's
Speaker 1: automatically low. Not mad. It's twelve grand in the pot,
Speaker 1: he said, Pott, it's come. So now you got to
Speaker 1: double the pot. So whatever's in the pot, he got
Speaker 1: to put twenty four grand in there. Yeah, well he
Speaker 1: don't have twenty four grand cash, but he got a
Speaker 1: boatload of super Bowl tickets. So I you know, you know,
Speaker 1: me the banker to catting the banker, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's like, man, I only got I only got like
Speaker 1: fifteen grand cash. I said, you got super Bowl tickets,
Speaker 1: So I'm putting them super Bowl tickets in there. He like.
Speaker 1: He looked at me like, I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to tell you. I said, but you owe twenty
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars to that pot, so you need to
Speaker 1: come up with twenty four thousand. So the way we
Speaker 1: look at it, we'll take fifteen grand and six super
Speaker 1: Bowl tickets. So now I'm gil. So the pots now
Speaker 1: is thirty six basically thirty thirty six thousand dollars. And
Speaker 1: you know super Bowl tickets. Nobody wants everybody going around.
Speaker 1: It's King three, it's King three. Nobody ain't nobody said.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, so it comes to me. I
Speaker 1: got a king, and then I got a five. Who
Speaker 1: I like, my homeboy, Keith Burns. We're going out the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, super Bowl thirty three. I was like, who,
Speaker 1: I said, homebow, we need he sait Homebowl, don't touch.
Speaker 1: I said, we need to get this money. Homeboy. I say, look,
Speaker 1: I got fifty. I said, I got fifty grand on me.
Speaker 1: I got fifty on me. I said, what we're gonna do?
Speaker 1: If King five, if King five, as long as it
Speaker 1: don't come another king, it don't come another five, eight,
Speaker 1: We're good. Huh. We had to pot that thing had
Speaker 1: We had to pot it. But it came close. It
Speaker 1: was a six, so I was I was in the middle.
Speaker 1: That's how close it came. So I know how them
Speaker 1: games can get out of hand. But I also know
Speaker 1: money can cause the fight because we roll dice too
Speaker 1: and ruh. But let me tell you I was generous
Speaker 1: like you. I did be the guy out of a car.
Speaker 1: I took a car. He had a seventy old school
Speaker 1: seventy shra belle. He had it fixed up. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I do because I know you can't go
Speaker 1: home and tell your wife you lost this car. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get divorced AND's gonna cast you more than the car.
Speaker 1: Give me twenty five hundred. We'll call it either. Because
Speaker 1: for me, Gil, it wasn't about the money. I wanted
Speaker 1: your pride and a lot of times, the way I
Speaker 1: gamble is that if I want money of you, I
Speaker 1: wanted it any coins. So go get me five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in dimes, Go get me to you know, twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred and quarters. So when you go to the
Speaker 1: cash here to ask you, well, why do you need this?
Speaker 1: I lost That's what I wanted. I lost a fat
Speaker 1: bed once. I had to get fifteenth and the Susan b.
Speaker 1: Anthony's that was heavy as head too. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny, that's usually why fights start.
Speaker 1: It's never really about the money talking. It's embarrassed, man.
Speaker 1: It's just a whole atmosphere of how someone lost, and
Speaker 1: then because you lose it already and then they're talking.
Speaker 1: Ain't talking about shut up? And that's how that's how
Speaker 1: I got in trouble because I wouldn't shut up. I'm
Speaker 1: just going. So the trend was actually transpired between you
Speaker 1: and Jarvis? Was this was this about a gambling dad
Speaker 1: or what transpired? So so so me and jaw Varrees,
Speaker 1: we were like, how me and Nick are? We were here,
Speaker 1: you know, go over place, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: young guys who who was trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to stay in the league, you know, on the road.
Speaker 1: He's always in my room ordering food. We go through
Speaker 1: the plays, we watched, we watched the game. It's my handout, buddy.
Speaker 1: So they're they're gambling. I'm talking shit. So you gotta
Speaker 1: remember it's it's Javares, It's Javail, it's her boy kinds right.
Speaker 1: They ain't no money on the table, So you know
Speaker 1: what they ain't they ain't this ain't no this ain't
Speaker 1: they you know, this ain't no If if they lose
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars, one of them is mad. That's the
Speaker 1: type of you know. So it's probably about thirty minutes
Speaker 1: left on the plane and I decided, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want to play, and you know I want to play.
Speaker 1: So it's it's Javares. It's so Javail just boo Javarres.
Speaker 1: So Javars had to match the pop. Correct. Now it's
Speaker 1: Javares's turn, Javaris, it's boot on his damn wow. Like
Speaker 1: he flips over. He flips over two clubs, so it's
Speaker 1: clubs yep. And then and then everybody goes around them,
Speaker 1: three them too. And then he yells out, I need fold.
Speaker 1: That don't sound good. He gets boomed, right, you gotta
Speaker 1: match it again. So now because I'm next if I
Speaker 1: decide to play. So the rule was, if you want
Speaker 1: to jump into the game, you have to match the pot,
Speaker 1: no matter what whatever is. Absolutely So I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what's it? Then? Little body let me hunted? I'm actually
Speaker 1: got body left me hunted in the pocket. Sobody leaving
Speaker 1: he pissed off. Now, oh why are he playing right?
Speaker 1: Because now now now it makes it harder for him
Speaker 1: to to to play. So I'm in there talking shit,
Speaker 1: y boy. I said, hey, you got it cause you
Speaker 1: to day. Now I'm the dealer, now, ye would imagine?
Speaker 1: So you get it. I'm like, I'm like, shre, I
Speaker 1: want the legs is open. I want some passing it earl.
Speaker 1: Earl says, so I flip over like a nine. Earl
Speaker 1: don't want no parts of it because I guess he
Speaker 1: picked at Jabail's hand because Jabil didn't want the rules.
Speaker 1: Who who like whoo who like like whoa like whoo
Speaker 1: he got he got a smoker. Yeah. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: how many you need? He said, I don't need none, No, no,
Speaker 1: all right, how many you need? Hold on? Hold on,
Speaker 1: you gotta explain to it what do you need? Because
Speaker 1: you can go, you can explain to yourself. So with
Speaker 1: Boo Ray, it's kind of like it's it's spades spades,
Speaker 1: but individuals plade. You ain't got no partner, your old Yeah.
Speaker 1: So whatever car the dealer flips over, that's actually the
Speaker 1: cut car. That's spades. Yeah. So then it becomes fade. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so basically he was basically saying he either has
Speaker 1: four hands so good, my hand is so good. I
Speaker 1: don't want to change nothing. He don't want to change.
Speaker 1: So basically he probably had four spades and an astor king,
Speaker 1: or he got all five spade, or he got five spades.
Speaker 1: So Javares says, I need five oh, this sold me
Speaker 1: me being Oh, this man is about to get booed
Speaker 1: blue this man right, so I'm so now I'm just
Speaker 1: talking shit. Just blow this man like, oh, he's about
Speaker 1: to be booed because it's not my turn yet. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: you sure you won't fight, you won't file? Oh he
Speaker 1: needs all five So now I'm just being an asshole. Right.
Speaker 1: In the same time, Earl Boy gets tells Javille, a man,
Speaker 1: let me gonna get Let me go ahead, get my
Speaker 1: two hundred, and Javille's like, hold on after this hand,
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me, let me, let me
Speaker 1: finish his hand first. You know, we always wait until
Speaker 1: the the plane ain't anyway, like the jars just snaps,
Speaker 1: just SATs man, get that man, it's two hundred dollars. Man,
Speaker 1: you got my money over there while you why you
Speaker 1: holding you got all my money? And I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: now you gotta gonna do with you, ain't got to
Speaker 1: do with you. Worry, don't worry about don't worry about
Speaker 1: what they do it, don't worry about it. You take
Speaker 1: your fire because I'm pretty sure there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: more money in the potty anyway. Yes, right, So now
Speaker 1: it's my turn, right, I'm like, okay, sh all I
Speaker 1: needed so I throw them too, and I got I
Speaker 1: got three because I got three spades, right, And he's
Speaker 1: just going just going, just just because now he probably
Speaker 1: looked at his hand and realized he ain't got one spade,
Speaker 1: so he's just I mean, he's going like and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what if you get booed, the money isn't
Speaker 1: the potty an it? Wait, they ain't no sins, both
Speaker 1: of us getting booed, You feel me might as well
Speaker 1: go ahead and let you be booed by yourself, brother.
Speaker 1: And I said, So what I did is I showed him.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I got three spades. I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: Oh three flip over his hand. That's a miss deal,
Speaker 1: you know, miss you know miss deal. I'm not playing.
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, so I'm gonna leave you blew him.
Speaker 1: I'm go ahead, get up, let me know when it's
Speaker 1: my turn to play again, right, And he's just like
Speaker 1: you can hear him oregon, nah bro nah, br ain't
Speaker 1: going out like he ain't gonna just let me lose
Speaker 1: my money like that. He just can't come in here
Speaker 1: and and double the pot and then lead and don't
Speaker 1: even fight, help me fight for it to make it
Speaker 1: at least the two two one. So earls like, yo,
Speaker 1: they ain't no two two one. I can tell that
Speaker 1: the show that man got as keen. He got as keen.
Speaker 1: Queen jack over that mother right there, and I'm hearing it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got up out of there. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: so Javel said, you know what, listen, the money's mine.
Speaker 1: I had five spades. I was gonna boo you again.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you not get booed, and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna take the money. Oh hell no, he wasn't. He
Speaker 1: wasn't even happening. Now that's a good deal, though, Gil
Speaker 1: they get booed, he gonna have a double the pot
Speaker 1: after you just double it. So he gotta put forty
Speaker 1: four hundred in there. Then then if he gonna get booed,
Speaker 1: then he want to get booed with somebody. So he's
Speaker 1: going mad that I didn't help him fight right this money.
Speaker 1: So then he started talking trash. I started talking trash.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like it wasn't really like we was
Speaker 1: going at it. It was just he was irritated that
Speaker 1: he was losing, and then irritated that I came and
Speaker 1: double the pot and then bounced on him and then
Speaker 1: look him for dead. But did you did you know
Speaker 1: his background and what he was capable of? No? Like then,
Speaker 1: then then he's not capable of you know what he's
Speaker 1: accused of, like what he's in jailble, Then no, he wasn't. No,
Speaker 1: like he changed once he got out the league. Circumstances
Speaker 1: forced him to change survival like you know, like when
Speaker 1: people like I remember when when everything broke down and
Speaker 1: he got in trouble and the d A going against
Speaker 1: him hit me up for character reference against him, and
Speaker 1: I said it. I said, wait, hold on, I know
Speaker 1: we had an issue and it was this big public thing,
Speaker 1: but character issue. I'm not going to be a great
Speaker 1: witness for you because that that was my teammate and
Speaker 1: he was an amazing guy. Right, Yeah, we had an
Speaker 1: issue that got blown out of proportion. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go and say this is what he was capable of,
Speaker 1: this is who he was, because that wasn't him him
Speaker 1: how his life went after he got kicked out of
Speaker 1: the lead, his family stealing his money and he had
Speaker 1: to to to gravitate to something else. That's not the
Speaker 1: guy I know. I know, the hoop guy who watched
Speaker 1: film with me. The jabbar is that you were trying
Speaker 1: to have me go again. I don't know that one
Speaker 1: that I can't say that was his character. I can
Speaker 1: say circumstances of financial someone robbed him for his jewelry,
Speaker 1: everything spiraling down. That's a whole another person right that
Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot talk about that person on the person.
Speaker 1: I know. I can't do it for you. So after that,
Speaker 1: after that the gambling incident, did you guys speak? Were
Speaker 1: you guys steal friends friend lee or because you were
Speaker 1: both were suspended? So how did it end? After that?
Speaker 1: Even before that, I remember I get a text and
Speaker 1: he said, Yo, g A this uh this JC. You
Speaker 1: know I need a favor and I know you know
Speaker 1: I can't even go to nobody else. And I know
Speaker 1: you don't hold grudges like that. You know my mom
Speaker 1: needs a surgery. Is anyway you can let me borrow?
Speaker 1: You know, sixty thousand? Then of course how many thousand? Sixty? Hello?
Speaker 1: You said six or six in a zero? After it? Sixthly?
Speaker 1: Sixthly she was having next surgery. She she needed next surgery.
Speaker 1: And then I'm probably he probably needed some some some
Speaker 1: change since he lost his contract. Right, So I said, okay, wire,
Speaker 1: gave me the wire information, sent it off to him.
Speaker 1: And this is this is before I even went through
Speaker 1: my trial. Like he already got off. He already got
Speaker 1: slapped on, you know, a little slap on the hand.
Speaker 1: And this is after he said I'm scared for my life.
Speaker 1: He was coming in, he was gonna kill me. That
Speaker 1: already doesn't happen, and I'm he's but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna hold it grudge. Bro. I know you gotta
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do to survive, right, you know,
Speaker 1: So I wrote him a check. Until this day we
Speaker 1: still in communications. He paid you back, No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like when I let a teammate, like when
Speaker 1: a teammate asked me for something. It was never the
Speaker 1: pay me back. You know what, now that you mention it,
Speaker 1: I don't think any of my teammates have ever paid
Speaker 1: me back on the dead. It's just it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, if I have it, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do something stupid with anyway. So if you you
Speaker 1: got a better purpose for it. You know, your mom's neck.
Speaker 1: That's that's all right with me. Yeah, now that you
Speaker 1: mentioned I was thinking about that, Like, have any of
Speaker 1: my teammates ever paid me money back? Teammates and family
Speaker 1: members don't pay money back. I don't pay money back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right about that. So I asked you
Speaker 1: to look back and say, okay, anything you would change.
Speaker 1: Obviously you would like to not have a knee injury.
Speaker 1: And I had a longer career because you felt you
Speaker 1: were in your prime. You had just became the agent zero,
Speaker 1: the Gilbert Arenas that you know what, this is the
Speaker 1: guy I always knew I could be. And then you
Speaker 1: have the need, like you said, you have three surgeries
Speaker 1: in fourteen months. When you sit back and you watch,
Speaker 1: do you think what your career could have been had
Speaker 1: you not had a knee injury. You could have been
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, maybe won a championship. When you
Speaker 1: do that, when you when you when you do when
Speaker 1: you play the what if game, you can never move
Speaker 1: on in life. Like so I try not to do
Speaker 1: the what if game, Like like how I was playing,
Speaker 1: how I was moving, I knew what I would have been, right,
Speaker 1: So there's no point of asking the questions. Like I
Speaker 1: remember someone asking me that was like, who's better you were, dame?
Speaker 1: And I say what at what age? At the age
Speaker 1: of twenty five? By the age of twenty five him Curry,
Speaker 1: It couldn't see me after twenty five. I can't touch
Speaker 1: them boys. I didn't. I didn't have a career after that. Like,
Speaker 1: so you know, you know, like I cannot touch I
Speaker 1: cannot up until that age, I cannot touch them boys.
Speaker 1: So as they was like, yo, can you guard him? No,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have to deal with players like that,
Speaker 1: you know, so like you know, I I stayed true
Speaker 1: to you know who I am and don't try to
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, I would have killed everybody. Like
Speaker 1: it was a different it was a different league. Then.
Speaker 1: David Stern, he suspended for the Jabarras incident. You got
Speaker 1: suspended for the rest of the season, right, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got suspended for here's the trick. Here's the here's the trick.
Speaker 1: We didn't get suspended for guns because guns in the
Speaker 1: locker room, no one, no one saw me touch a gun,
Speaker 1: so they couldn't suspend me for a gun. It would
Speaker 1: have been one game, right, and I would have argued that, like,
Speaker 1: hold on, y'all, just see me. I told y'all that
Speaker 1: those were mine. I didn't tell you I'll put him
Speaker 1: in there. I didn't tell you I brung them there.
Speaker 1: I just said those were mine. So legally, no one
Speaker 1: can do nothing to me. I'm just honest. They said, yo, mine,
Speaker 1: I was giving them to him. So when they realized that,
Speaker 1: they didn't suspend me for guns, they suspending me for
Speaker 1: detrimental to the team. Detrimental, which was because of what
Speaker 1: I did in Philadelphia when I was mocking him with
Speaker 1: the with the with the with the with the pistol hands.
Speaker 1: So I got suspended for that fifty games, which was
Speaker 1: detrimental because they can hold that as long as they want, right,
Speaker 1: And then didn't didn't the DC step in with the
Speaker 1: gun incident? Who DC? Uh? Yeah? They still they still,
Speaker 1: they still did their case, and they gave me with
Speaker 1: thirty days probation, thirty days halfway house, halfway house, and
Speaker 1: you got in trouble with that? Hell, what do you mean? So? No?
Speaker 1: What would half what would the halfway house? Life? Halfway half?
Speaker 1: You make so halfway house? You know, listen, I was
Speaker 1: not doing the halfway House in DC. Okay, I did
Speaker 1: the Halfway House in Virginia. Okay. It was either it
Speaker 1: was either Virginia or find me right because I am
Speaker 1: not I'm not doing the I'm not doing DC. Whatever
Speaker 1: this case was by my house or I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: at my house. Pick one. So they gave me thirty
Speaker 1: They gave me thirty days, and and uh, the halfway house.
Speaker 1: Like so I had to do a weekend verst in jail.
Speaker 1: So mine and I have no jail time, so there
Speaker 1: was no jail, just halfway house. But the the halfway
Speaker 1: house I was going to said you had to do
Speaker 1: three days a weekend in jail. So this is the
Speaker 1: funniest shit ever. So you know how like like three days.
Speaker 1: That's that all right? That So all I know is
Speaker 1: jail from TV. So I'm doing push ups and everything, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm about to get buffalo these boys just in case
Speaker 1: they try to try me in there, right, just in
Speaker 1: case they try to try me, I'm gonna be all
Speaker 1: big and strong. So I'm thinking there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: some some some criminals. It was old man for ticket violations,
Speaker 1: drunk drive and stuff like that. Right, so after day
Speaker 1: so that was a Friday Saturday, like, oh man, this
Speaker 1: is walking with my chest high right, and then something
Speaker 1: told me to look out that window. So look at
Speaker 1: the window. It's like a little basketball court. So now
Speaker 1: so it was just I mean being I mean beat,
Speaker 1: like I ain't like oh he ate weights, he ate.
Speaker 1: And he's on the court right, and he was so strong.
Speaker 1: He was so strong that he couldn't put his hands
Speaker 1: down so his hands said like this. Yeah. So he's
Speaker 1: throwing the ball like just boom, and it's not it's
Speaker 1: hitting the backboard like boom boom. And I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: like yo, this what what is he? What is this?
Speaker 1: And like he's just picking the ball up and he's
Speaker 1: like trying to shoot it but he's just throwing it
Speaker 1: at the back board and I'm laughing and he looked.
Speaker 1: He looked at me while I was laughing. Bro, I
Speaker 1: dropped to the ground so fast under the under that glass.
Speaker 1: Bro Like soon just looked at me and dropped boom. Man.
Speaker 1: I said it for two hours like nah, nah, not
Speaker 1: even just against he did. I know he's there looking.
Speaker 1: I am not giving up. Did anybody recognize you while
Speaker 1: you were there? Oh yeah, yeah, you've got an autographs
Speaker 1: in the halfway half he no. When I got Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I was in a halfway house, it was like
Speaker 1: like it was special rules. Yeah, I went in. I
Speaker 1: went in there, prima donna, I'm not even gonna lie.
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, listen, oh, I don't do roommates.
Speaker 1: And I got bad sleeping habits, like you know, I sleep,
Speaker 1: I wake up at three am and do all this,
Speaker 1: and you know the way the way this room is
Speaker 1: the structured, and I like to watch TV at a
Speaker 1: certain time. It's gonna irritate the roommate. Then he go
Speaker 1: on a fight, and you do realize you're in a
Speaker 1: halfway house. You do realize it's a halfway house, not
Speaker 1: Gil's house. No, no, no, no no. But my my
Speaker 1: complaint was like it was it was legit. So they
Speaker 1: gave me my own room. And then they put a
Speaker 1: rule in that you can only keep like twenty four
Speaker 1: dollars on them. So this is what I got. I got,
Speaker 1: So I got, I got it. What would they call
Speaker 1: it when you get a I got on lockdown for
Speaker 1: like ten days? Oh you huh? Yeah, I got So
Speaker 1: what ended up happening is I was smart enough to
Speaker 1: understand that the change machine guy put the change in
Speaker 1: at four am, right, So I'll go in there and
Speaker 1: then put twenty dollars to take all the out, put
Speaker 1: all the quarters out. No one got no change. So
Speaker 1: I took all the change, and I would charge everybody
Speaker 1: seventy five cents for their dollars. So I'm giving them
Speaker 1: seventy five cents for a dollars. So they're getting charged,
Speaker 1: you know. So so I'm papered up for another for
Speaker 1: another word, you're huffling. Yeah, if they want to smash
Speaker 1: from the vending machine, they got to come through me.
Speaker 1: They gotta come to the quarterman. So so I'm hustling there.
Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is I get caught with
Speaker 1: like like two hundred and twenty dollars and they put
Speaker 1: me on lockdown and they take Did they take the money?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they took the money. They took they took
Speaker 1: the money. They took the money, put me on lockdown
Speaker 1: and had to spend ten days in my room. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about your your your your classic battle because
Speaker 1: your your greatest scoring game in your career happened against
Speaker 1: Kobe one of the fiercest competitive, one of the greatest
Speaker 1: offensive players, one of the greatest defensive players. What was
Speaker 1: your mindset going into that game, because a lot of
Speaker 1: times you hear people say, well, man, that's that's my idol.
Speaker 1: I grew up watching him. I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure he doesn't embarrass me. Well, you know, before the
Speaker 1: sixty game, my my highest average was against Lakers. It
Speaker 1: was already sitting at about thirty three thirty four, right
Speaker 1: because I knew, like I knew what it took to
Speaker 1: be successful against the Lakers and Kobe. You gotta remember
Speaker 1: that's a that's my idol team growing up. You know.
Speaker 1: You know I watched Kobe. I know his mannerisms. I
Speaker 1: know he's playing chess out there, not checkers. So I
Speaker 1: remember Luke Walton said, Yo, Kobe, gonna shut you down
Speaker 1: to night, Like but he said this every game. Kobe said, hey,
Speaker 1: gonna shut you down to night. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you tell him if he didn't think about guard I
Speaker 1: mean one four flat because you because you and Luke
Speaker 1: were teammates, right, Yeah, me and Luke was teammates. So
Speaker 1: Luke just used to hype the ship up too. So
Speaker 1: before that game, Luke said it, and I remember, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting on the sideway like I already worked out. Kobe's
Speaker 1: on a second workout and he ain't missing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you didn't killing bruh. I feel sorry. But
Speaker 1: whoever got a garden in the night? Right? That's me
Speaker 1: pre game, you know, watching him work out and game
Speaker 1: stars and he doesn't a smush, you go get the Sean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut down Gilbert and Yeah, And I thought,
Speaker 1: I uh, those first two players coach called cancer those
Speaker 1: if Kobe's guarded me one fourth flat right, So the
Speaker 1: way he tipped the ball tip ball, he wasn't guarding me.
Speaker 1: Smush had to you know, Smush got on me. I'm scoring.
Speaker 1: Then the eventually tells Smush off, I got him. So
Speaker 1: as soon as I hit like three and a row
Speaker 1: on cold Phil Jackson Yales cold stop stop stop, stop
Speaker 1: playing do the road. Due to the lineup, I said,
Speaker 1: you got the Sean. Boom boom boom. Once Kobe switched off,
Speaker 1: game was over. Because Phil didn't realize this. These chess
Speaker 1: moves he doesn't interrupted was chess move. So the fact
Speaker 1: that he was forced to switch off put my mind
Speaker 1: in a whole different element. I'm gonna fly here tonight
Speaker 1: it's on. So when he comes back, he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to stop me, right, so he don't. If
Speaker 1: you catch a rid of them, now it's over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's what happened. Is like, it's not about like
Speaker 1: I tell people, it's not about hitting shots. Per Se
Speaker 1: is not backing down from the challenge. So people ask me,
Speaker 1: what was your best game? I say the second game
Speaker 1: that year against Kobe because that second year, the second
Speaker 1: game is he said, he's stopping me. I'm on his radar.
Speaker 1: He's stopping me. That means the demon is coming in.
Speaker 1: He is coming to stop me, right. I gotta compete
Speaker 1: no matter what. Like the team is trying to stop me,
Speaker 1: he's personally trying to stop me. I ended up scoring
Speaker 1: thirty seven. That thirty seven was one hundred points. When
Speaker 1: the guy is there to actually shut you down. Do
Speaker 1: NBA players go into the game if they know, say
Speaker 1: KD is playing Lebron, do they go into the game
Speaker 1: says I gotta get forty because he's probably gonna get forty.
Speaker 1: How do NBA players approach it? I can tell you
Speaker 1: how I approach it. How did you approach it? You're
Speaker 1: going to give Kobe, you're gonna givet T Mac. You're
Speaker 1: going to get one of the other prolific scores. I'm attacking,
Speaker 1: like I you know, it's it's we're in a wild
Speaker 1: you know. I'm I'm not I'm not a caged lyon.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a wild lion. So I'm I'm out I'm
Speaker 1: out there hunting, you know what I mean. I'm out there.
Speaker 1: I'm out there hunting, and I'm trying to Like, if
Speaker 1: you're the shooting guard and this point guard needs to
Speaker 1: get you the ball, I need to destroy his confidence now,
Speaker 1: you know. So, like somebody like Dame Lillard Curry, my
Speaker 1: defense was trying to get them. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: them on the bench with two fouls and they get
Speaker 1: to watch me eat, you know. And that's the way
Speaker 1: I played. So I was in attack mode from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I wasn't I was in probing.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to feel let's feel this game out. No,
Speaker 1: I know how the game is. I know how it feels.
Speaker 1: I know how I know how it feels. Who's the
Speaker 1: best player? Feel real uncomfortable around here? Who's the best
Speaker 1: player in the NBA? Right now, best player. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: either Lebron or Kad. Why you didn't mention Jannis VP
Speaker 1: to I mean, just because you want to MVP do
Speaker 1: make you the best player? Means you was on the
Speaker 1: best team and he was the best player on the
Speaker 1: best team. The way the analysts do it, it ain't
Speaker 1: got an unknew who the best player in the NBA
Speaker 1: is is? Who was on the best team? Who did
Speaker 1: all that? That's you know, so right down for you, huh,
Speaker 1: Kady or Lebron? For you? Who with the first pick? Yes, shit,
Speaker 1: you get one. I'm saying, give me the readers, you
Speaker 1: get one player. I'm you're starting your team with one
Speaker 1: player right now? Okay, If I'm starting a team with
Speaker 1: one player, then I go Lebron. Why because with with
Speaker 1: with Lebron, because he is a one, two, three, four.
Speaker 1: Whatever I can, I can, I can draft anybody around him.
Speaker 1: You know. I used to tell people that. I was like,
Speaker 1: if you have Kobe, it's hard to have a Lebron.
Speaker 1: If you have Lebron, it's easy to get Kobe because
Speaker 1: Kobe won't won't sacrifice from the Ron. Lebron was sacrifice
Speaker 1: to bring Kobe on board. You know, so so I'll
Speaker 1: take Lebron because from there it's easier to build a
Speaker 1: team when you when you take any other any any
Speaker 1: other player, you have to build it around that player.
Speaker 1: I don't have to build a team around Lebron. I
Speaker 1: have Lebron and then bring in who I want and
Speaker 1: then let him fix that meal, Gail. I appreciate your time, bro,
Speaker 1: I owe you. I know you busy. You took time
Speaker 1: out to give me a couple of hours a day.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, Bro, I no problem. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. Hey tell me they don't you let
Speaker 1: me get back in that rain. Don't you do that? Gail?
Speaker 1: If you hear friend, that's your boy, you don't let
Speaker 1: him take another one? All right? I got you, all right?
Speaker 1: Appreciate it all my life, grinding all my life, sac fice, hustle,
Speaker 1: back price, one slice, got the dice to swat all
Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding all my life, all my life,
Speaker 1: and grinding all my life, sacrifice, custill bay the price,
Speaker 1: and want a slice, not the broiler dice to swallow
Speaker 1: all my life. I've been running all my life