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Speaker 1: Now let's start the show. Hello, Welcome to another edition

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Speaker 1: of Club Shasha. I am your host, also the propriator

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Speaker 1: of Club Shasha, the guy that's stopping about today for

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Speaker 1: team All Packed ten. He's a three time All Star

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Speaker 1: or three time All in being player. Some call him

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Speaker 1: Agent Zero. Some call him Harbachi, the host of No

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Speaker 1: Chill podcast, Mister Gilbert Arena. All my life and running

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Speaker 1: all my life, sacrifice hustle back price. One slice got

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Speaker 1: the broller dice to swap all my life. I've been

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Speaker 1: grinding all my life, all my life and running all

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Speaker 1: my life sacrifice hustle back prices. One slice got the

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Speaker 1: broll dice to swap all my life. I've been running

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Speaker 1: in all my life, Gil, How you doing today, brou

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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for having me. You

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Speaker 1: forgot what most called me to go. You forgot to

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Speaker 1: say the goat. I'm go. Oh you know, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go. You gotta say goat and some call him

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Speaker 1: to go? Gil? How you being? What's going on? Bro?

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Speaker 1: And I've been good? You know, I've been good. You know,

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Speaker 1: Quaryantina like everybody else, you know, just trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out what's going on in life. Right, We're gonna start

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Speaker 1: present and then we're gonna work our way back. Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: there's a fight that took place Nate Robinson, former NBA player,

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Speaker 1: against YouTube sensation. I guess that's what they would call him.

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul, who also says he wants to take up

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Speaker 1: the fight game. He's been in it for a little while,

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Speaker 1: he's taken it serious. It didn't work out well for Nate.

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Speaker 1: What do you think happened besides the obvious? So, you

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Speaker 1: know there's a difference between fighting and boxing, correct. You

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Speaker 1: know Nat is a fighter. He's fought plenty of times

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Speaker 1: in locker rooms, right. You know he's used to grabbing, holding,

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Speaker 1: body slamming, you know, trying to hit somebody with the

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Speaker 1: club hit right. Well, you know when you're a boxer,

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Speaker 1: it's timing. You know, it's precision. Correct. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he understood that. I don't think that was told to him.

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Speaker 1: So when he got frustrated, he went into fight mode, right,

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Speaker 1: and he was gonna try to grab it launch. He

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Speaker 1: got tought for it. Right. So why wouldn't someone explain

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Speaker 1: the rules of boxing versus the rules of fighting. But

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Speaker 1: one rule is universal. Keep your hands up. Whether it's

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Speaker 1: a free fight, or you in a square or you

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Speaker 1: in an octagon, you gotta keep your hands up. Guilt, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's if you're not used to it,

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Speaker 1: it's it's secondary to you. Like you know, when you

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Speaker 1: You can see that he didn't protect himself as usual

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Speaker 1: because in MMA, that's not what they do. They use

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Speaker 1: wasn't used to it. You know, so unless you're sparring

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Speaker 1: he go get the proper training? Why didn't he go

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Speaker 1: he reach out to a Teddy Atlas or Buddy McGirt

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Speaker 1: that could train him properly because you're fighting a YouTuber.

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Speaker 1: Oh so he underestimated it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did.

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Speaker 1: when you slow everything down, it's like he's just bending

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Speaker 1: but Harrison. But you know this, as banks professional lathlete,

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Speaker 1: Is when you underestimate your opponent and you look at him.

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Speaker 1: Some of the best hoopers don't have the best body.

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Speaker 1: If he like, he can't do nothing and he light

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Speaker 1: you deserve whatever happens to you. And you know, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I sent the text like we we we

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Speaker 1: and then you know, while I'm looking at it all,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, Nate, wait, hold on, you not that

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Speaker 1: Gil He wasn't that far off if you look at

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Speaker 1: Jake throws an overhand right a fighter, he blocks it

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Speaker 1: he throws that overhand right, no protection uppercut him right.

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Speaker 1: So that could have been an easy knockout for for Nick.

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Speaker 1: Nick could have knocked him out with that punch because

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Speaker 1: like that, you know, I was, you know, explaining to Nate, like,

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Speaker 1: loves of school and I used to fight for five dollars, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, so you know, there was little things I

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Speaker 1: was like, Well, Nate, you could have ended him right there. Look,

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Speaker 1: when you're chasing someone, you cannot chase him like this. No,

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Speaker 1: But but but here's the thing though, Gil, why would

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Speaker 1: fight game and your thirty your reflections start to slow. Guys,

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Speaker 1: if you're in the fight game, you have to be

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Speaker 1: able to to see punches, to anticipate punches, and not

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Speaker 1: against a YouTuber who just jumped into it last year.

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Speaker 1: But that year of training still it's still above what

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Speaker 1: Nate was ready for. Well how about this here? Why

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Speaker 1: not pick up bowling? Why not pick up hold? Why

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Speaker 1: why not why not something that's not that's non contact.

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Speaker 1: in football when the football players retire and they go

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Speaker 1: straight to I'm like that do you really want? And

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, contact is all I know? No, I

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Speaker 1: was done with contact. What's hope? I haven't been taking

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Speaker 1: for me, football was second nature because I knew okay

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Speaker 1: in a certain defense, I knew where the hits were

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Speaker 1: probably going to be coming from. As a boxer, you

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Speaker 1: You understand how to pivot, you don't understand how to turn.

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Speaker 1: But if you're just getting into it, it's gonna take

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Speaker 1: so long for you pick that up. Gil. But you know,

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Speaker 1: just like just like anybody who's been in a fight

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Speaker 1: is exactly. You know, you know you're getting you know,

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Speaker 1: timing is. Yeah, you can't grab me. You all that

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Speaker 1: I believe Knight in the street fight could probably believe

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul because what he tried to do, he would

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Speaker 1: rushing school, boom boom boo, grinding back. But in a

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Speaker 1: that's what like, I think when he was attacking, that

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Speaker 1: not getting knocked out, its getting up. What are you

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Speaker 1: everyone's post. I know Nate personally, I know what type

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Speaker 1: sure losing to a YouTuber. He's like, but it's your peers.

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Speaker 1: You feel like you let him down, and you know,

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Speaker 1: as as a big bro to him, I'm like, well, no,

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Speaker 1: the letdown is if you don't get back in that ring. No,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that, Gil, don't talk that man on another one.

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Speaker 1: And hey, hey, you win some, you lose some, Okay,

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Speaker 1: gets back up one more time. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: light him up. I won't laugh. They weren't bothering you, Gil,

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Speaker 1: you mess with it's them, so you deserve to get

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Speaker 1: some ten fifteen times. However many times it took that

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Speaker 1: the problem with Houston is when James just when when

422
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Speaker 1: when Harden is doing with Harden, does everyone else our Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But because because John wall has that point guard vision

424
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Speaker 1: a lot, Eric Gordon is gonna eat, you know, if p. J.

425
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: Tucker's there, He's gonna eat a little bit more. So,

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Speaker 1: John Waller is gonna be the pure point guard like

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul was. But the difference of is that John

428
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Speaker 1: Waller is a two masquerading Russell Westbrook is a two

429
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Speaker 1: masquerading The truth point guard is like a Chris Paul

430
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Speaker 1: or Rayjon Rondo. Most of the most of the point

431
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: guards today are two's masquerading at points, Kyrie Irvin, either

432
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Speaker 1: he's really a two masquerading at the point and how

433
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Speaker 1: what makes you so convinced that John wall is going

434
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Speaker 1: to mesh better with Harden than say Ruf Ruth or

435
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Speaker 1: c P three. Because you have to and what you

436
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: mean you have to You have to You gotta remember

437
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: just like anything, it's you're going into a new city,

438
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: you're going into a new prop. There's already a keen there.

439
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: You have to sacrifice. You have to sacrifice you you,

440
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, just to survive. Sometimes you know you can't

441
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: go in there, you know, thinking you're gonna dominate that ball,

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Speaker 1: like I mean, and I'm gonna say it Hardened, It's

443
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Speaker 1: gonna have to reevaluate how he plays the game. Thank you.

444
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad because you've don't had everyone. Now you didn't,

445
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: You didn't have everyone, and everyone has came and gone.

446
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: So is it them or is it you? Because think

447
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: about it, you had you wanted Chris Paul, but and

448
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: then you want didn't want Chris Paul. After year you

449
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: running Russ, and then you didn't want Russ. After a

450
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: year you had Dwight Howard, you had Clint Capella. I mean,

451
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: at some point in time, even Covid said it rested

452
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: soul before his death, he said, that's a great style

453
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: if you like, you know, he gonna put up phenomenal numbers.

454
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: But you can't win a championship like that. So do

455
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: you want to win a championship or do you want

456
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Speaker 1: to have be known as one of these elite scores

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Speaker 1: and be known one of these the best player never

458
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Speaker 1: to win a championship? Is it James Harden, Is it

459
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Speaker 1: Karl Malone? Is it Charles Barkley? Is that Patrick Ewing?

460
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: Because that's the road he's headed down, because there's no

461
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Speaker 1: true offense, you know, with with the new owners coming

462
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Speaker 1: in and that's coming from Wall Street, right, you know,

463
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: and all they're doing is just crunching numbers on you know,

464
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: statistics on how the game should be played. You give

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Speaker 1: a guy who's a one on one player a whole

466
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Speaker 1: game of one on one when one on one is

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Speaker 1: the last four minutes when the game counts, the last

468
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: five minutes of the ball. Yeah, that's where that's where

469
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: That's where James Harden Kyrie game, that's where you excel.

470
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: That's where you get to Okay, the offense. Everyone's keyed

471
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Speaker 1: in on the offense. You use your natural ability to

472
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Speaker 1: get us buckets right, not from not forty eight minutes

473
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Speaker 1: of it. And that's what the game is turned into,

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Speaker 1: forty eight minutes of a one on one style. So

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Speaker 1: when I look at the how his game is played,

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Speaker 1: I said, technically, he's the easiest person to guard, but

477
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Speaker 1: hard to guard because he's perfected this style, that step.

478
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: But but he doesn't. He doesn't at the back door,

479
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: doesn't not a flair, doesn't know how to come up

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00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: with other he doesn't do anything without the ball. He

481
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: doesn't baseline run, he don't post up like you have

482
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: this great offensive guy who only has one offensive tool dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot, dribble, dribble, dribble,

483
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: step backble drive. You know you don't have a You

484
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: know you have no no complete offensive game where everyone

485
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: can actually eat. Are you surprised that the Clippers came

486
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: up short and all the rumblings you were hearing about

487
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: what transpired in the locker room and what ultimately may

488
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: have led to them not succeeding this past season? Oh no, No,

489
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: I knew they was. I knew they were terrible. Why

490
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: because even from the beginning, I said, they never established

491
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Speaker 1: who team this was. So what ends up happening is

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00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: you have a Clipper team the year before that, this

493
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: was a loose team, loose should have made the All

494
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Speaker 1: Star Game that year. And then you bring in two stars.

495
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: You got a team who don't We don't need you too,

496
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: we we just made the playoffs, right, games up, healthy

497
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: Golden State. Yeah, and then what ends up happening is YouTube. Come,

498
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: you guys are loading managing. We're holding it down. You

499
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: guys are getting a credit for it. We're holding it down.

500
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: You guys are sitting out of practice. We're holding it down.

501
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: You guys are all stars. Hold on. And because they

502
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: publicly never said, all right, this is how the team is,

503
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Speaker 1: this is this is who's the star, this is who's

504
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: gonna take the shots at the end, because that that

505
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: never was established. When it got the playoffs, that was

506
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. See, everyone thought they were great, becau as

507
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: they beat the Lakers, but nobody paid attention to well

508
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: all four games. The Lakers was up fifteen points in

509
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: the first quarter and then they had to panic and

510
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: put in the two bench players, which that's all they had.

511
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: You got two starters, two bench players. So you're saying

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Speaker 1: they got the deepest bench in the league. No, no, no, no,

513
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: they got two players. That's averaging forty if you put

514
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: those two players as starters. They have no bench. So

515
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: the fact that they actually didn't have a real full roster,

516
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: they were gonna get beat if you just shortened, if

517
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: you just shortened the possessions, because now you got four

518
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Speaker 1: lions trying to eat for trying to eat the same

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Speaker 1: neil I look at the Clippers, do you think the

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Speaker 1: leaders because Kawai never had to be a leader in

521
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Speaker 1: San Antonio, Tim Duncan, Tony Parkamanu. When he went to Toronto,

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00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry was the leader. Paul George was not the leader. Okay,

523
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: see that was rough. So you really never had leaders

524
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: and Kawhi style of leadership. And this is what I

525
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: help people, gil. Kawhi style of leadership is good as

526
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: long as you're winning, because Kawhi just wants to go

527
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: out there and who Kauhi is not gonna call a

528
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: team meeting. He's not gonna have the guys over and

529
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: talk and try to get through things. But the woman

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00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 1: you get, you get to that deep water. Now you now,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? You look over that k what

532
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: just go? Now? Brought what you're gonna tell us? Am

533
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I offer? No, no, no, you're you're you're you're correct,

534
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: like you know. And that that was the That was

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00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: the biggest issue that I seen because the leaders was

536
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Brandon lou Will what was the leaders? You know? And

537
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: you got the you know, the Chicago doll. You know

538
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: Pat Bev. You know he's the one that gets him fired.

539
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: But you gotta remember it's them three in the rest

540
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: of the locker room versus these two. So when ship

541
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: got clutchy, it's oh, do we really do we? Are

542
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: they really? Are they really the stars? Or is it us?

543
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: You know? And the thing it was the division. I

544
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: think the thing is it's one thing to know that

545
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: you have privileges and benefits. It's another thing to explore

546
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: those when you're okay, you can live wherever you want

547
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: to live. But that also means you gotta get up

548
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: earlier and get here to make sure you're on time

549
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: because when you show up late, Gil, the one thing

550
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: that I hated was for someone to be late because basically,

551
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: what you're telling me, Shannon, my time is more important

552
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: to yours, even though I know you had to get

553
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: up and get here on time. My time is way

554
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: more important. So I'm cool. And so they look like,

555
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: hold on, Doc, why you keep allowing this to happen.

556
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody to tell him to move to San Diego?

557
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: So we gotta hold up the plane. Doc. Why you

558
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: keep saying that we need to practice, we need to

559
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: get together, but you let him sit our practice, You

560
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: let him miss the games. Why do you keep saying

561
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: what we need to do when all you need to

562
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: do is tell is but to practice. That's where to

563
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: lead your steps. And see, like on a team like

564
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: that and you're coming in and you're you have a

565
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: low management that that's gonna happen. That should have been

566
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: talked about at the beginning, right. That's like you know,

567
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: on in my Wizard days, I wasn't leader of the team,

568
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: Larry Hughes, I was Kauhi. I play. You tell me

569
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: to hit hunt this person, I go give them business.

570
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: You tell me, hey, these they ain't getting the ball. Okay,

571
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: I give them the ball for a couple of possessions.

572
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: Then I'm going back attacking. You know that was Larry's

573
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: job to make sure everyone was happy, because my job

574
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: was to kill. That's all I knew. And then when

575
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: he left, then it was Antoine in Karan, Right, you

576
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: keep the locker room. That ain't my job. I come in,

577
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: I have fun, I do my job, and I go home,

578
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why there was never no beef

579
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: with us. We knew who was who. Right, Yeah, I

580
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: might be the face, but you guys, you're the captain.

581
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: You guys on this, I'll be I'm the face up

582
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: here because I'm the sextiest out of the three. I'm

583
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna be on the billboards and I'm

584
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: gonna gona get the big money. But as a unit,

585
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: we're moving how you guys want us to move? Do

586
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: you think that Paul George coming in and thinking he's

587
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: a superstar And okay, maybe you can understand Kawhi is

588
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: the two time Finals MVP, he's a two time Defensive

589
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, he's a many time first team

590
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: All NBA player, so you know him getting certain privileges. Okay,

591
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: you understand that, But the guys are looking at Paul Georgiana.

592
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Hold on, PG, Wait a minute, brun, when did when

593
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: did you become Lebron James, When did you become one

594
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: of these, you know, one of these historically great players

595
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: that you'll get the lower manage, that you'll get the

596
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: call shots about practice at some point. You know, as

597
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: an organization, you got two responsibility too, you know, because

598
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: you do have two stars coming in. You know, Paul

599
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: George coming on with two shoulder surgeries, right, so with

600
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: two soldier surgeries, I'm pretty sure he didn't get the

601
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: really train the way he's used to training in the

602
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: summer because of it. You got Kawhi Leonard who load

603
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: management that whole next year that should have been established

604
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: before this season started. But you gotta remember there was

605
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: gonna be animosity anyway because you got you got two

606
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: guys who are carrying a load. But these two are

607
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: getting all the credit, right so you know, but you

608
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: have to be aware of your surroundings too, as Kawhi

609
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: and Paul George, you gotta understand that, hey, we're gonna

610
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: have to give these two some credit publicly, right. You know,

611
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: we can't keep taking all the we can't keep everyone's

612
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: cheering us on and we know what they're doing. You know,

613
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: you you you gotta be able to understand the la. Yeah,

614
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, Lou and Trace has been holding it down

615
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: while we've been taking some break. And you know that's

616
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: what makes us special, Like in that right there stops

617
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot of envious you know, tension in the locker room. Yeah,

618
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: because I think the thing is what happens is if

619
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: you get guys that are that established, that have been

620
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: there and have had a certain level of success, not

621
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: the success that Kauai I've had as a team or

622
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: as an individual. I think guy's become resentful in that

623
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: they see what you're doing, what you're getting credit for,

624
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: but you ain't practicing. You every third or fourth game

625
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about we're winning because of you. But

626
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: we play every game. We play every game, and you

627
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: sub yourself in and out when you want to, you

628
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: practice when you won't to, if ever, and what how

629
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: that takes a special person to understand that, right And

630
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when I went by the same

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00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: logic when Kobe said he wants to know, like, forget

632
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: the opponents, I want to know my players to the team, right,

633
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, I want to know how they take I

634
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: don't know how they move, how they like their shots.

635
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: How they clink. Like you have to know your players

636
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: better than your opponents, right, so you would you would

637
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: know how Trass feels. You would know how Lou feels.

638
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: So you know when they give them credit, right you know,

639
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: and and and and and those are the like I remember,

640
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: like when you have that bad game but you win

641
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: and you say, yeah, great team win. Deep down you're mad,

642
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: like you know they not that they they can do

643
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: without me. And that's where that great team win. That

644
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: you know. That's but instead of saying great team, when

645
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: you point out the people who at who had great games,

646
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: you gotta remember if you're the face, you're the leader,

647
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: they care more about what you say than what the

648
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: media is gonna write, right, you know, So you you know,

649
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: as players, you gotta understand these little things. These little

650
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: things are just communicating can stop a lot of problems

651
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: and stop a lot of breakups in organizations. Everybody can't

652
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: play with historically great player because one thing you know

653
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: is gonna happen that when you win, they're gonna get

654
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: the credit, and when you lose, they're gonna give the blame.

655
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna say the bench that the role players didn't

656
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: show up. That's just what it's always been like, that

657
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: magic magic when with the exception of maybe a game

658
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: here there, Magic wasn't gonna get any blame, Koban Shack

659
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: weren't gonna get any blame. But Rick Fox and Fishing

660
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: all those other guys. And you know, if you play

661
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: with Lebron, this high goes. So basically goes Lebron and

662
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: a D and then everybody else you gotta roll to.

663
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: You gotta role to feel, You've got to feel that role.

664
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: But I think Lebron does a great job of Okay, guys,

665
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: we're going out to eat. Okay, guys, we're gonna get

666
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: together room, we're gonna have PlayStation tournaments or guys. He

667
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: does a great job of not just being a great

668
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: basketball player, but being a great as far as team building,

669
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: the in the locker room. Because people don't realize how

670
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: far chemists will go. Yeah, that is the most That

671
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: is the most important, you know, aspect of just just winning, yes,

672
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: being great teammates is have any relationship outside of that court,

673
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: because what ends up happening is if we have a

674
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: friendship outside of that basketball court, whatever happens on the court,

675
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: it stays on the court, right, it stays there. So

676
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, you you you might have something and I

677
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: yell out something, you take it personal, correct, you know.

678
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: But if we don't have a friendship and that happens,

679
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: it rolls over. Yeah, I'm looking at you side with

680
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: who do you think you're talking to? Yeah? All right,

681
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: that's you know, full five games. You know, I ain't

682
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: pass you the ball, you know, but but Lebron's doesn't.

683
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: Has done a great job of bringing teammates together, like

684
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, including everybody, you know, so whatever happens on

685
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: the court, it's not personal. Like even with j R. Smith.

686
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: We all you know that j R. Smith for the

687
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: dumb Les, never said one batman, we did it for him. Yes, yes,

688
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, because he knows this was just a moment.

689
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Our friendship posts tighter than this moment. Do you believe

690
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: that's what happened in Golden State when when Draymond said

691
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: what he said to KD. Do you believe because they

692
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: weren't per se friends off the court, that that spilled over?

693
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: Or was what was it what he said? Not so

694
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: much that he's in what he said. Now what he's

695
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: said is meaningless because we hear that all the time.

696
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: That's just we're gonna hear that from twenty five opponents.

697
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: He's probably said it a hundred times. But the problem

698
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: comes down to this, because he is the new guy

699
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: there and they've already established who's the leader of the group.

700
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: So you got Draymond as the leader of the group,

701
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: Craig and then everyone else's players. So if you if

702
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: you look at the history of Golden State's time together,

703
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: they never actually established who was the go to guy.

704
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: We knew step Curry's the best player, he's the MVP,

705
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 1: but nobody actually like paid attention to well the fact

706
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: that these guys have actually set in four thirty fourth

707
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: quarters full fourth quarters, that means they've never actually had

708
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: experience in close quarter matches. So what ends up happening

709
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: is Draymonds was used to getting the ball, taking off

710
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: and making that plate if they ever actually got in

711
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: that moment. There was never no given to step Let's

712
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: run a place. So if you ever looked at Golden

713
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: State last two minute basketball and close games, they were horrible.

714
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: They were horrible because they were rarely in the moments.

715
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: So when Katie comes, So when Katie comes, he's used

716
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: to those moments. So He's like, give me that ball,

717
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: and Draymond takes off turnover and right there the perfect

718
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: storm hit. I feel that that was the moment that

719
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: they couldn't come back because I think kadpat Draymond said

720
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: because he said he called it that and say you've

721
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: been that said, you know we didn't need you, We

722
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: wont before you got here. Because now angry people, drums

723
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: and kids will normally tell you the truth guilt. Yeah.

724
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: So but I remember they played against each other, so

725
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: he didn't heard it from Draymond anyway. The media said

726
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: in anyway, So he's doesn't hurt it all anyway. It's

727
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: just it's just the perfect storm hit those two. Draymond's

728
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: used to doing it his way, Katie's used to doing

729
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: this his way, and when when it clashed, it clashed

730
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: in the wrong way. Yeah, but it hit different when

731
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: your boys, I mean, somebody outside it ain't something. But

732
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: when your boy called you that, that's a little different. Yeah,

733
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: that ain't hit different. Oh no, it do hit different.

734
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: But if if they had a friendship, like I mean, listen,

735
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: I have teammates knock on my door, you know after

736
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: games because of stuff I said on the court, right

737
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: I didn't answer the door, but they knocked. I figured

738
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: once they go to sleep and wake up, be cool again,

739
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: so I just let it. But here's the thing, where

740
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: they friends or where their acquaintances or did KD? Did

741
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: KD come there for a specific purpose and to get

742
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: on because I never felt Kady was gonna retire Golden

743
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: State Warrior. I thought he came there to do what

744
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: he did, get those rings, get that monkey off his back.

745
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: So you can no longer say Kevin Durant is the

746
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: best players never won a championship and that was it.

747
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: He was gonna bounce. I never thought Kady was gonna

748
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: spend the restue. No, no, no, you had and I

749
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: don't you know when Kady decided he was gonna leave,

750
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: No one really put the thought into it. No one

751
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: really said, all right, what would you do in this situation?

752
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: So we if you, if you took a look at

753
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: his stats and said, all right, what would I do here?

754
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: You got four scoring tigers, MVP, three All Star MVPs.

755
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: I mean you, as a Hall of Fame player first

756
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: ballot by the age of twenty eight. The only thing

757
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: you didn't have was a finals MVP and an NBA Championship.

758
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: That's the only thing as an offensive player that you

759
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: needed off your bucket list. And this team right now

760
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: is gonna can give you both of them because you

761
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: can go to Cleveland. You can go to Cleveland. You

762
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: can go to Cleveland. But they said, now we're good,

763
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: we were keeping our team. Next up is going to State.

764
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: He only he only had two teams to go to Cleveland,

765
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: to go to State where he can knock that off

766
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: right there. Utter than that, nobody was in position to

767
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: beat those two teams. So what's your early condition of

768
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one back to back? Really, doctor Matt? What

769
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: about the next They got Kyrie, they got Lavert, they

770
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: got kd they got Den with It, they got Jared Allen,

771
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: they got u Joe Harris, they got Tyler Johnson. They

772
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: got a nice squad over there. They listen. I watched them.

773
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: I watched them for two weeks. They playing amazing, They're

774
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: working together amazing. But let's not forget Lebron and that

775
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: Cleveland squad. We whatever that team was that went last

776
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: place after he left. Remember you know they went THEYD

777
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: last Yeah, after he left, locking up against Katie Curry

778
00:45:51,760 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: Clay Draymond right, fold fold juggernauts. There's only two now

779
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: and and he and he and he got help. So

780
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: unless they're gonna get unless they gonna get hard in

781
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: Westbrook over there. I don't, I don't. I don't see it,

782
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: not in seven games. M that I think that's the

783
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: matchup everybody would love to see. No, it'd be a

784
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: good matchup. But you gotta remember Lebron himself takes he

785
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: takes out at least two stars. You know, Kevin kd

786
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: is gonna he's gonna match him point wise. But the

787
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: little things you know Lebron does is what keeps him

788
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: a little bit over Kadi when it comes to as

789
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: a player. And then now you're gonna have to match

790
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: and Davids up and Kyrie is not gonna be able

791
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: to match that play. So you so Lakers is gonna edge,

792
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a battle Yannis. What does Yannis

793
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: need to do to win the championship? Learn how to

794
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: play basketball? So you can't hear rule step everything for

795
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: the free thrower. I mean you you you you to

796
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: be honest. He's the James Harden of the West Coast,

797
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean of the East coast. But James Harden is

798
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: in the West, is what Jannis is There? You have

799
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: a guy who's not the point guard who dominates the ball,

800
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: and he's playing one style, and that style is I'm

801
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: gonna try to take all my all the all the

802
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: big man who can't move off the dribble year onto

803
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: the step and get some dunks. That is amazing during

804
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: the regular season. When that's small, when that court gets small,

805
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: you cannot do that anymore, Right, you can't, you can't

806
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: play that. You can't play that style. And like he's

807
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: like t boat but not in the red zone. Right, no, no, no,

808
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: you gotta no, no, no, You're gonna have to make

809
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: some actual plays before you get here. Like I know

810
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: you're good here, are you good? When nothing? When you

811
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: don't have to think no, no, we're gonna bring you

812
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: back here. Let's let's get you to that point. So

813
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: when when the small, when the court gets small, that

814
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: style doesn't work. So what do you think it? Obviously,

815
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: So what would you tell him to work on? Because

816
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: I think until he can shoot a fifteen foot jumper consistently,

817
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: until he can shoot better from the three, and then

818
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: he's terrible at the file line. So basically is he

819
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: the dunks of layoups. Yeah, he's gonna need to get

820
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: back to the basket where they can actually double them.

821
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: You gotta remember it. To utilize your shooters, someone has

822
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: to be double, right. So if you're if your style

823
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: is drive, hero spin dunk, and you decide to pass it, well,

824
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: those guys are still guarded. So now your shooters are

825
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: not getting easy batter He's like, it's like Blake Griffin

826
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: because you were so used to playing this style. When

827
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: it counts, no one else gets to eat. So unless

828
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: he learns how to play back to the basket where

829
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: when he gets the ball, teams are actually shifting. Now

830
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: now now, now Middleton hit three threes. Now you gotta

831
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: play you one on one. Now you can go score.

832
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: Now you can do those little things. But Holiday kind

833
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: of helps him a lot. He helps him a lot.

834
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your NBA career. What what are you

835
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: most proud of That I got to live on my

836
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: my my childhood dream. You know, I grew up a fan,

837
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: and you know I got I got to live and

838
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: play this game from a fan standpoint. So I enjoyed

839
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: every bit of it. I enjoyed signing an autograph, taking

840
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: the pictures, doing the hell happy birthday, shaking everybody's hands,

841
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: like that's what I enjoyed, taking my jersey off, throwing it,

842
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: watching the kids go crazy, like I enjoyed all of it.

843
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: What would you do differently? Or do you think your

844
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: career into prematurely? You know, not not? You know what

845
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: I would What I would do differently is like take

846
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: the injury I had serious, Like, you know, when you

847
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: get injured, you're you're you're put on you're put on pause.

848
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: You know. So going into a summer where you know

849
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: you're you don't kill you don't you you you don't

850
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: stepped into another realm of play, you know, and you're

851
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: trying to get better. You're trying to get better, you know,

852
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: you're trying to catch the Kobe and the Steve Nash.

853
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, I want to train this rehab stuff

854
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: that can wait. I don't know what y'all trying to do,

855
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: these little these little movements that ain't that, ain't that,

856
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get that, ain't gonna get me forty at night.

857
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all doing here, you know. So

858
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: I didn't take that serious and end up having three

859
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: knee surgeries in fourteen months. You carry tory a cl right,

860
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: no mcl pcl meniscus, Michael fracture. Yeah, oh yeah. So

861
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: basically you're like bone on bone at that point in time.

862
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: Now I had a little bit. I had a little bit,

863
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: a little yeah. Right, you go to the Bay, you

864
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: start out in the Bay, and then you go to

865
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: DC with after Michael leaves. What was the culture like

866
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: in the locker room after Michael left? Because I know

867
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: you've heard stories, Okay, so you know what, so this actually,

868
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: this would make it make sense everything that my contract,

869
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: all of it would make it make sense. Okay. So

870
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm in Costa Rica when everything went sour with Michael

871
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Jordan's Okay, so I think they was like this little gray,

872
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: this little this little thing going around where no free

873
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: agents is supposed to go to Washington. So so when

874
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: I get off, you know, and I'm getting offered, you know,

875
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was second. I think, yeah,

876
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: Lamar Odom was the number one free agent. I was

877
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: number two. So I was, you know, talking with Miami.

878
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: They were they were gonna draft. They just drafted Dwayne

879
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Wade and they didn't know if they were gonna put

880
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: him at the one, try him at the one, and

881
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: they didn't. You know, pat Rody said, I don't believe

882
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: in paying young players. Clippers they were being forced to

883
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: pay because they had all this money and all these

884
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: free agents. Utah, I didn't want to follow John Stockton,

885
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: who just retired. That wasn't my game. I felt my

886
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: career would die me trying to you know, do me.

887
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: That's what they didn't use for twenty something years. So

888
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: it was basically Washington DC and Clippers. And what ends

889
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: up happening is I think I went to go visit.

890
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: I went to go visit in a poland said, because

891
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: that was my dad. What happened? Were you with Michael Jordan?

892
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: And he told him. He said, you know, I didn't

893
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: like the way he was talking to the team, you know,

894
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: the way he was treating the team. I asked all

895
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: the players do they want him back? And the player said, though,

896
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: so I had to reneague on the deal that I

897
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: did with with mj And you know, you know, I

898
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: felt I felt bad, but you know, it's the team.

899
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: You know, I did what the team wanted me to do.

900
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: So it was like okay, and then you know, and

901
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: he was like, listen, if you come here, whatever we had,

902
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: whatever we get, it's yours. Just get me out of this,

903
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: z MJ. Horror. You can be the you're the face.

904
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: You'd be the face. We don't have a face here.

905
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: We have you know, Clint Porters. But you know, you

906
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: can be a real you can be a real starting,

907
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: he said, we have Clint Porters, you know he's a start,

908
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: but you can be a real star with your personality,

909
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: with your play. You know, the city is really trying

910
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: to figure out who to grap on. Nobody that store has,

911
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: that store has never been told. What transpired between mister Polian,

912
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: the former owner of the Wizards, and Michael Jordan is

913
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: that he said he didn't like the way he talked

914
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: to the to his teammates, to the to the to

915
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: the to the players. It was you know, listen, player

916
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: and a player personnel because he was in charge of

917
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, drafted players and he was also a teammate

918
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: and with also playing. Yeah, so you know when MJ

919
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: comes down to play, he's he's he's Michael Jordan. It's

920
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: not you know, it's not general manager Michael Jordan, it's

921
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: the player. Michael Jordan. So that player Michael Jordan. Have

922
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: you seen the last dance? That's the Michael Jordan, right,

923
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna pushing, pushing, you know, he's gonna

924
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: be competitive. Well, a bunch of eighteen nineteen twenty they

925
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: don't understand that. They can't take that, you know. So

926
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: you know that's what they were crying, like, oh man,

927
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: if that's the way he talked to us, then what

928
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: happens if he's our boss, We're never gonna be able

929
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: to you know. And that was and that was a thing.

930
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: And you know, mister Poland, you know, made his decision.

931
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: You know. So when when when I decided to come,

932
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: my whole thing was I have one job to do

933
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: and he has my back, right, my job is to

934
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: make it less MJ talk did it when you signed?

935
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: Did MJ call you and say, man, what they here?

936
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: You do? And I thought we had they had him

937
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: agreement that you weren't gonna go there. No, no, no,

938
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: no no. That was like we didn't have the agreement.

939
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: That was like the rumor that I heard, like you like,

940
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: nobody's supposed to be going to Washington because I'm like, man,

941
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: Washington ain't got nobody, you know, Brian uh, Brian Russell

942
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: just opted out. So it the cap up, you know.

943
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I can, really I can. I mean,

944
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: he said he's gonna have him a back, you know.

945
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: You know, if he said he's gonna have a back,

946
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a back, you know. So so I came,

947
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: I did my thing, and this is how I got

948
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: paid one to eleven. Ernie Grunfield. When I was when

949
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: we were negotiate, I had three surgeries already, I didn't

950
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: know I had two, and I decided I was gonna

951
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: opt out. Ernie Grunfield negotiated his ass off. I'm not

952
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna lie like. It was one of those where I

953
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: knew I didn't have any leverage because I had two

954
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: knee knee surgeries. I didn't only play two games. So

955
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: I decided I was gonna have my agent zero tour

956
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: start July one, right free, the first day free agency.

957
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: So if I didn't like the way this was going,

958
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: I can go out of the country. Now you guys

959
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: are gonna have to wait and then watch the rest

960
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: of the free agency. Someone's gonna panic and then now

961
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: so now someone's gonna be trick to give me some money.

962
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is the first the first

963
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: domino was Baron Davis opts out and Golden State gets

964
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: all this money. So, uh, rumor, rumor hits my phone,

965
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: A rumor I hit. I look. Bertie said, hey, Golden

966
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: State at twelve o'clock, it's gonna offer you five years,

967
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and one million dollars. And I was like,

968
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: all right, but I man, it's like, man, I just

969
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: bought a house, five million dollar house. What a helicopter? Hey?

970
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: All right, So you know I'm going into the meeting

971
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: all cocky. What's having to y'all? What was happening? You know?

972
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: And you know, Ernie does this spill? You know, you

973
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: did great for the city. You know, you know they

974
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: love you here, We love you here, and you know

975
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: we think you deserve it. And you know, push that

976
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: contract to me, you know, smiling baby, you know. And

977
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: I seen and I'm not gonna lie. It was six years,

978
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: eighty six million, like I had to, like you know

979
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: how you like like rub your eye because I thought

980
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: it was a one mission. I thought it was it

981
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: was you know, one eight, one hundred and eighty six million,

982
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: eighty six like whoa, this is this must be Antoine's money.

983
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: This is you might have a wrong check. This is

984
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: this is when Antoine's trying to get this. Ain't like,

985
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: yeah I'm in a hundred. I think I'm in a

986
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty hundred twenty something like that. This is

987
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: eight eight. This is who are you off? A little bit?

988
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: And he was like and I was like, I don't

989
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: mean to be rude, but already I'm I'm gonna get

990
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: the max from Golden State. Baron Davis is opted out.

991
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: So they actually hold on, did the research and realize

992
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: he opted out. So I said, you know, on that note,

993
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta get up early in the morning.

994
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: I gotta go fly to China do my tour. And

995
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: they're like, when you come back? I said, July eleventh,

996
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: and it's like wait what. I was like, yeah, July eleventh,

997
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back. So I'm gonna sit and think about,

998
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, the two offers that I have. I got

999
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: the eighty six million hid and then I got the

1000
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: one hundred and one for five years. Woke up in

1001
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: the morning, phone rings a poland hey, listen, do not

1002
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: worry about nothing that had happened earlier this morning. I

1003
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: just found out. No, no, no, the max is yours. Whatever.

1004
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: The max is one hundred, twenty hundred and fifty two hundred,

1005
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it is yours. That's your money. You

1006
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: earned it. I told you when you came. You you you,

1007
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: you helped me out of this Jordan situation. I was

1008
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: gonna take care of you here. It is max is yours.

1009
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: You do with it how you see fit. Do not

1010
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: worry about what they offer you, because that was not me.

1011
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: You want a hundred thirty, you want one hundred and fifty.

1012
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: I gotta write your personal check. Let me know, because hey,

1013
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the last contract I side. Wow. And

1014
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: and that was that was our conversation. Man. So mister

1015
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: Paulian was good to you. He was. He was great.

1016
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: When you said, he hit your back from the beginning.

1017
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: He had your back to the end. Yeah, he did

1018
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: not like knee. I don't care if you play one. Hey,

1019
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if you played one game, full thousand games.

1020
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the last contract outside you're my guy. Wow.

1021
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: So you know, so I took one eleven, so my

1022
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: max was one twenty seven. So I took one eleven

1023
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: to save sixteen million for free agents or Antoine, who

1024
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: was also up right, that's awful. Nice to you. Yeah,

1025
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: hey listen, hey, the man blessed me with whatever you want.

1026
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta feed too, because the

1027
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: thing is normally normally Kobe, I think Kobe. I think

1028
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: Kobe said this. Kobe said, yes, I'm a millionaire, But

1029
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: why would I give a billionaire discount because they don't

1030
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: give anybody discount. But for you to do that so

1031
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: someone else get an opportunity to eat, I think you

1032
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: should be commended for that. I thank you, foolish, but

1033
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: you should be commended. Yea. But the committed comes from

1034
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: the owner. I had a relationship with the owner. Yes, yeah,

1035
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, just like anybody. Hey listen, there's there's someone

1036
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: who writes that check, and then there's a whole bunch

1037
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: of people in the middle of them. I don't want

1038
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: to I don't care about the people in the middle.

1039
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: I want to know who that check right is, and

1040
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: that's who I'm talking to. How you doing, because when

1041
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: it's time to sign a contract to be traded, I

1042
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: want to be a person, not a name on the sheet. Right,

1043
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, oh, you crunch your

1044
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: numbers and say we don't need you. Hey, mister poland,

1045
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: how you doing? Are you jogging? I'm gonna head a

1046
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: jog with you. Was how you doing? So when my

1047
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: knees went out, Hey, I'm not worried about none of

1048
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: that kned stuff. Here's that money. Thank you. You had

1049
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: great success, You go to the playoffs, you play I

1050
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: think you play Lebron twice in your in your three

1051
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: year run in when you made the playoffs, right, I

1052
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: played him one helpet one and then a half for

1053
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: hurt one. Okay, And that was kind of like his

1054
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: coming out party because those that that series, he just

1055
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: he just goes off. Yeah. Did you obviously you were

1056
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: in the league when he got drafted. Did you ever

1057
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: think watching him being that he would be where he

1058
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: is now? Yes? I remember I made a comment to

1059
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: one of my teammates and I said, this is two

1060
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: thousand things, like two thousand four or five seasons. Okay.

1061
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: I said, he's gonna go down as top three greatest

1062
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: of all time and never taps into his real real ability,

1063
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: as I said, because he doesn't have to. That's how

1064
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: dominate this man is gonna be that he's never gonna

1065
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: have to to tap into of what is in that body.

1066
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: Because I watched something that I didn't see and it

1067
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: came from an eighteen ninety year old kid, as I

1068
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: wrote it on my Instagram. Where I'm at the house,

1069
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: we're playing cards, and him in Savannah. They're sitting there.

1070
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, you got Richie, you know, all the same crew,

1071
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: he has the same same team and having all the

1072
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: same team and he's sitting there just like just watching sports.

1073
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: Like I mean when I say what detail like watching

1074
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: every knowing everything, knowing this this girl soccer, who's the

1075
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: best player, who should win? Like it was like it

1076
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm like playing cards but watching and it was a computer.

1077
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: He was a computer. And then the following year when

1078
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: we playing HM in the playoffs, went over there because

1079
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's chest down. I want I want to

1080
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: see what what's going on? You know, I'm you know,

1081
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm I want to peek under the hood y'all playing card.

1082
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Let's play some cards. You know they over there breaking

1083
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: down plays. You know this that you know got the

1084
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: film I'm watching. I'm watching our plays. Mothers know everything

1085
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 1: over here. Huh, man, I just okay, I can see

1086
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: what's going on, and I'm watching this man just study, study, study, understanding.

1087
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: So what everybody's hearing now, I invent that, Yo. He

1088
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: knows everything that's going on in that court. He knows

1089
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: what everyone's supposed to be. He knows, he knows if

1090
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: the play is real, the play is faith. He knows

1091
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: exactly what is expired all through that game. Yo. Why

1092
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: do you think it's so hard for the older guard

1093
01:04:54,680 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: to give this man the credit that he deserves. I mean,

1094
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: you see so many people, well, he's not top ten,

1095
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: or he's not this, and he did this, he last.

1096
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's always no matter what he does, it

1097
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: always goes back to, well, but he couldn't have played

1098
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: in my generation, or he couldn't have done this, or

1099
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: everybody's afraid of Lebron. It still said, the man is great.

1100
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: He'd be great in any generation, because I don't know

1101
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: how many in the fifties, sixties and seventies sixty nine

1102
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty pound guys could handle the ball

1103
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: could do what he could do. Because everyone takes evolution

1104
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: out of it. No one wants to believe. Everyone believes

1105
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: that their error was the Golden era. Like you know,

1106
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: if if you go down the line, look at rap.

1107
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: They don't like the new wave through the way before that,

1108
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: they didn't like that wave. That's just you know, uh

1109
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: Ran next reflex, he didn't like the jay z here.

1110
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: Like It's just it's just it's the competitiveness of it,

1111
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, even though it's like, well then it's man,

1112
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean you was a great defensive player. You did this,

1113
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: but you were you were six seven, two ten, right, bro,

1114
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: those are point guards now, yes, you know, we're we're bigger,

1115
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: we're stronger, we're fast. You know that's just however, but

1116
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: you I mean, you're gonna have your your guys that

1117
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: that no matter where you dropped the mat, you dropped

1118
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson in, he's still he's still a six nine

1119
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: point guard. That's still not in this era. You know.

1120
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: So you're gonna you still got your Michael Jordan's right,

1121
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: you know. So you got guys who can go through

1122
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: from older rors in too. But there's some guys who

1123
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be talking right. You know, you you're six four

1124
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: and you was a sinner. Let that let that go,

1125
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: let that dream go, you know. So I just think

1126
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: that they can't accept the fact that low it's a

1127
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: different game. But today we're one hundred times more skilled

1128
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: because of rule change, because of evolution then you guys were.

1129
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: That's just how it is. You score fifty four on

1130
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: the suns, and many believe it was because of the

1131
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: way Mike D'Antoni treated you on the national team. If

1132
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, he took you off the team with

1133
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: that personal Okay, I'll be honest. Story tell a story.

1134
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. Mike D'Antoni didn't do nothing, Okay, okay,

1135
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: But but I couldn't go back to college to to

1136
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: talk to coach Mike, right, you know, well I needed

1137
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: to talk to him. So what ends up happening is

1138
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: when I make the team and I got selected, I called.

1139
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: I called coach. I think it was fourth of July.

1140
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: So I wish him happen fourth to July. You know,

1141
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: can't wait, you know, to try outs and you know,

1142
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: whatever you need for me. You know, hey, I'm willing

1143
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: to do right. You gotta remember, at this time, on

1144
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: this team, there's only three players that's two time All Star,

1145
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: two time All NBA. That's me, Lebron and Dwayne Wade. Okay,

1146
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: so we're trying. We're going through our day. Boom boom boom.

1147
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: Now this is the part that irritated the hell out

1148
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: of me. So they got they started union. I'm not

1149
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: in it. That's cool. I'm cool with that, you know.

1150
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I can sacrifice for the better man. So,

1151
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: but my unit, my team is this so we can

1152
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: so we can see how this plays. I have Kirk

1153
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: Hinrich as a point. They got me at the two.

1154
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: I have Brad Miller, Antoine, Shane Battier. I think that

1155
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: was it. It was it was it was the It

1156
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: wasn't Lebron. So the other team is Lebron Boss Dwhite, Howard,

1157
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson, Chris Paul. So that's all one unit with

1158
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: the second unit whooping their ass. I'm whooping their ass

1159
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: because they got to play his own Oh yeah, So

1160
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: kirkis just give me them all. Just oh I eat,

1161
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: I eat through all this red here this because this

1162
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: was like a personal challenge for me, because this is

1163
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: where I'm trying to like, like, I just missed the

1164
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: free throws and Lebron so I'm on a whole another

1165
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: wave of mentality. Anyway, I just I just came from

1166
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: training in San Francisco with the black Ops guy named Frank,

1167
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: So he don't got the mental right, he got the

1168
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: confidence right. And what ends up happening is I'm playing

1169
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: against the best five the world can get me. Right now,

1170
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: this is the best five that I'm gonna be playing against,

1171
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: and I'm about I'm about to put him to the bricks.

1172
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 1: So we'll go to twenty one. I got seventeen, I

1173
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: got eighteen, Like I'm really dominating because I have to.

1174
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have the scores on my team.

1175
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: So basically my whole group is running the offense through me.

1176
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: So Kirk was smart enough. Kurt like, yo, hey, just

1177
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you. Just do what you do. So

1178
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 1: we're we're we're we're testing this group and I remember

1179
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: wearing South Korea and it's it's hot in the gym.

1180
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're dunking like I'm thinking I'm Lebron James

1181
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: the way I was jumping and feeling good. And I

1182
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: remember I'm playing in the game. We're playing a game

1183
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 1: and he puts me in and I scored three straight buckets.

1184
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: Pop Pop Pop here this sub I know he ain't

1185
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: seven me. I just got in about two minutes ago

1186
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: and I can get the tap of right, Like so

1187
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: I run off the court. Cool, all right, it's like, man,

1188
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: you killing boy but yeah, light and lit the way up,

1189
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: we're blowing. Were blowing him out. Everybody gets something at

1190
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: the end of the game, but me and I'm sitting

1191
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: here like, yo, right, I do something wrong? This man

1192
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: like like like what's going on? Like like I'm really

1193
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: like like this was like this was like a bit

1194
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: like yo, what's going on? Like why are why am

1195
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: I the only person not there? Like we we he

1196
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: said me, like I played thirty minutes and now with

1197
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: with he trying to save you for something. That's what

1198
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. So you know. So I went to Colangelo

1199
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I think I hurt my growing, but

1200
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold a spot up for Brad

1201
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: Miller or Bruce Boying. He was one of my Bruce

1202
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: Boyne and he hit me with, yeah, yeah you want

1203
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 1: the bubble getting cut like whinny cut, like like I'm

1204
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: top I'm top three? Hit what do you mean cut?

1205
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: So I was already give me my check. I get

1206
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 1: back on the plane and I'm hearing the rumors that

1207
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: it was more of a shoe issue than it was

1208
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: me personally, or it was my agent who had Sean

1209
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: Marion and they were going back. They were they were negotiating,

1210
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: and that was a phoenix sun. So that's where Dan

1211
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: Dan Tony came in that. You know, they were negotiating

1212
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: and they were taking it out on me. So I

1213
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: got Matt fired. My agent said, minute, if you over here, Burnie,

1214
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: I can burn my own bridges. I don't need you

1215
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: to help me burn bridges. So I fired my agent.

1216
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: And then that's when I went on a tangent said,

1217
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna go score fifty against you. I'm

1218
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: gonna go score fifty against you because I can't go

1219
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: back to college now and get that man seven hundred,

1220
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: you know. And that's how the fifty four came like.

1221
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: And I remember when I came at the court, he

1222
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: told me, he's like, you're gonna have to score more

1223
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: than fifty to beat us. It was on the sixteen

1224
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: game winning street. I said, oh, trust me, I'm planning

1225
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: on it. They already know they ain't getting the ball today.

1226
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: The score could be fifty zero. I'm gonna have fifty.

1227
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: They could be fifty to one hundred. I'm gonna have

1228
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,600
Speaker 1: all fifty of our points. I'm leaving this building with

1229
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: fifty tonight. So that's so, that's how the fifty four

1230
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: came about. Yeah, because I just felt that he was

1231
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: part of the He he didn't do he was nice

1232
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: at hell to me, you know, but just he was

1233
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: part of it. Was part of the team. Right. You

1234
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: mentioned about the playoff game in which you've got five

1235
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: and you got you got two free throws and Lebron

1236
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: comes by and taps here on the chests and whisper

1237
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: something to you. What did What did he tell you?

1238
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: He said, if you missed these free throws, you know

1239
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: who's gonna win it all? Right? Now, what makes it?

1240
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: What makes it worse? What makes it worse? Is this

1241
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: so because we gambled at Lebron's house, me, Damon Jones,

1242
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 1: you know that was our group, right, So Damon Jones

1243
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: is horrible, horrible. He was horrible, horrible cards. So he

1244
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: owed me money. So I always used to say, like

1245
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: every time we played them, I always used to scream

1246
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: out the landlords here, the landlord needs has dripping money.

1247
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: That's like every time he came to Town shoot around.

1248
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm yelling it the game, I'm yelling it like that's

1249
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: all I yell. So I told the coach, anytime you

1250
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: put Damon Jones in, I'm going to one fourth flat.

1251
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: He owes him in money until he pays me my

1252
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: money one full flat. He's gonna be a liability out

1253
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: on his court. And that's what I did every time

1254
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: became in one for flat. So they wasn't so he

1255
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: stopped playing. So he doesn't even playing games six. So

1256
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: when he when he whispers, you know who's gonna hit it,

1257
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: everybody assumed it was him. I knew what he was

1258
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: talking about, and I think the thought went into my head, Oh,

1259
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 1: they really gonna put David Jones in and let it shut,

1260
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: and I just I just missed. Like it was like

1261
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: I was. I was bawling that game, just hit the

1262
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: three to get us in overtime, playing great in overtime,

1263
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: very great battle. And then I see David Jones and

1264
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: there stretching and and they really put the man in.

1265
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: And the fact that Lebron even passed him the ball

1266
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: is what hurt the most, Like you like you're really

1267
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: that petty where you would actually get that man the ball?

1268
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: Who who? Who does that? That's what That's why I

1269
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 1: said I had that. That's why I said I wanted

1270
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: to go like do mental stuff right like with the

1271
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: with the mental training, because I was like, this didn't

1272
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: just happened. You didn't tell me this man was gonna

1273
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: come in and hit, and then he comes in and

1274
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: then you passed him the ball like he's done hit

1275
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: five straight threes. I need to go season Hill because

1276
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the next uh Nick Anderson

1277
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: out here. You mentioned the card playing. What is it

1278
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: about NBA players playing cards? And what was the game

1279
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: that you and a lot of the NBA players played.

1280
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, just like any any card game, it's passed

1281
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: on from whoever started it, you know, Like I remember,

1282
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: I think Jordan I first came in. Huh. I think

1283
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: Jordan is a guts guy. Guts We played boot Ray Ray. Yeah,

1284
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: we played Boo Ray. So lucky for me, I was

1285
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: never on a team that played real high stakes Boo Ray. Okay,

1286
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: Like you know when I first came in, I'm playing,

1287
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, twenty dollars a hand, brew Ray, you know,

1288
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: so it wasn't really like you lose four thousand dollars. Bro,

1289
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: you you had a heart attack, right because I remember

1290
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: I won. I remember I won three hundred dollars. What

1291
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: what three hundred? Yeah, you gotta remember when you don't

1292
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: spend all your money on the escalade Trump and some jewelry.

1293
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: When you first get drafted and then you go thirty

1294
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: one pick, you don't spend all that So three hundred dollars,

1295
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: it's everything right now. On the road, you know, you

1296
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: know so so and then when I went to Washington.

1297
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: You gotta remember it's a young team. So the card

1298
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: players there was it was Larry Hughes, sack House, and

1299
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 1: Christian because that guys played with Jordan's. Yeah, so what

1300
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: were you guys? So you guys were playing Boo Ray. Yeah,

1301
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: we was playing We was playing bout Ray. But it

1302
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: wasn't I remember, like I knew it. It was one.

1303
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: It was one thing like that happened and I was like,

1304
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm never gonna play this game for

1305
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: that kind of money. No mode, Okay, what happens? So

1306
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: stack House like stack House, I owe stack House three

1307
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and he said, you know what, you know

1308
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: you knew here, I'm gonna head can your discount man,

1309
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: two thousand, you only got to pay me too, Like,

1310
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: all right too, He's like, I know you got the money,

1311
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, but you know two thousand, ye sure, nice

1312
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: discount my man, thousand out of discount. Welcome to the team.

1313
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: I ended up beating him. He owed me twelve thousand.

1314
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: He said, hey, man, you know you're gonna hear give

1315
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: me that discount I called a thousand. You know, you

1316
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: go ahead and pay me eleven. This man said two

1317
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. So right, So I'm looking around like wait

1318
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: how much? Oh? I was like, oh you want me

1319
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: to take off two thousand? Okay, I'm give me to you.

1320
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you two thousand. Huh is it? But

1321
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: where you you? Huh as it? Don't even know that

1322
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: they don't even equal. He said, I gave you a discount, right.

1323
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you took off one thousand dollars

1324
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,839
Speaker 1: and he said, are you gonna take this two thousand

1325
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: dollars or not? Like I So I look around right

1326
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 1: and I'm getting to take that money. But to take

1327
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: that money and I'm looking like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

1328
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 1: discount this whatever? No no, no, no, no, no, se

1329
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: see that's what happened. You know, money out of sight

1330
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: calls a fight because no, no, no, if I give

1331
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: you a discount, the discount is what I say it is.

1332
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: You don't set the discount. I can't go into the

1333
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: store and tell the people when I want forty percent

1334
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: of this. They said it, okay, it's twenty percent, it's

1335
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 1: thirty percent, it might be sixty. But the customer don't

1336
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: set the discount. The store is Hey, your your muscles

1337
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: tell you that. My muscles told me just take this

1338
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars and shut the hell up. All right.

1339
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: That's that's what my muscles told me to do. Because

1340
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: gil what we playing, I know you heard of it

1341
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 1: called in between m and so we played in me

1342
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,600
Speaker 1: some people playing with one decks, some people played with

1343
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: two decks. We always three decks, but we always played

1344
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: with two decks. And so you know, obviously you flip

1345
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: up the car. So if you get an ace, you say,

1346
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, high or low, and then whatever the next

1347
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: card is. So we're going to the super Bowl, you know,

1348
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: we we got super Bowl ticket. Everybody to come down

1349
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: with money because we're gonna be going for a week. Yeah,

1350
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, going around in the pots climbing. So now

1351
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: there's like fifteen grand in the pot, so we come

1352
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: as okay, it's a a a's high he said, oh hi,

1353
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: and then another would come. So it's automatic. Look so

1354
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: it's automatic low because you can't have high, so it's

1355
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 1: automatically low. Not mad. It's twelve grand in the pot,

1356
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: he said, Pott, it's come. So now you got to

1357
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: double the pot. So whatever's in the pot, he got

1358
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: to put twenty four grand in there. Yeah, well he

1359
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: don't have twenty four grand cash, but he got a

1360
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: boatload of super Bowl tickets. So I you know, you know,

1361
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: me the banker to catting the banker, I'm like, okay,

1362
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: there's like, man, I only got I only got like

1363
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: fifteen grand cash. I said, you got super Bowl tickets,

1364
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: So I'm putting them super Bowl tickets in there. He like.

1365
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: He looked at me like, I'm like, I don't know

1366
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: what to tell you. I said, but you owe twenty

1367
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars to that pot, so you need to

1368
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: come up with twenty four thousand. So the way we

1369
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: look at it, we'll take fifteen grand and six super

1370
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: Bowl tickets. So now I'm gil. So the pots now

1371
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: is thirty six basically thirty thirty six thousand dollars. And

1372
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: you know super Bowl tickets. Nobody wants everybody going around.

1373
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: It's King three, it's King three. Nobody ain't nobody said.

1374
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: I was like, man, so it comes to me. I

1375
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: got a king, and then I got a five. Who

1376
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: I like, my homeboy, Keith Burns. We're going out the

1377
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: super Bowl, super Bowl thirty three. I was like, who,

1378
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: I said, homebow, we need he sait Homebowl, don't touch.

1379
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: I said, we need to get this money. Homeboy. I say, look,

1380
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: I got fifty. I said, I got fifty grand on me.

1381
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: I got fifty on me. I said, what we're gonna do?

1382
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: If King five, if King five, as long as it

1383
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: don't come another king, it don't come another five, eight,

1384
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: We're good. Huh. We had to pot that thing had

1385
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: We had to pot it. But it came close. It

1386
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: was a six, so I was I was in the middle.

1387
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: That's how close it came. So I know how them

1388
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: games can get out of hand. But I also know

1389
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: money can cause the fight because we roll dice too

1390
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: and ruh. But let me tell you I was generous

1391
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: like you. I did be the guy out of a car.

1392
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 1: I took a car. He had a seventy old school

1393
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: seventy shra belle. He had it fixed up. I'll tell

1394
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: you what I do because I know you can't go

1395
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: home and tell your wife you lost this car. You're

1396
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna get divorced AND's gonna cast you more than the car.

1397
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: Give me twenty five hundred. We'll call it either. Because

1398
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: for me, Gil, it wasn't about the money. I wanted

1399
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: your pride and a lot of times, the way I

1400
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: gamble is that if I want money of you, I

1401
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: wanted it any coins. So go get me five thousand

1402
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: dollars in dimes, Go get me to you know, twenty

1403
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: five hundred and quarters. So when you go to the

1404
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: cash here to ask you, well, why do you need this?

1405
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: I lost That's what I wanted. I lost a fat

1406
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: bed once. I had to get fifteenth and the Susan b.

1407
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 1: Anthony's that was heavy as head too. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1408
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny, that's usually why fights start.

1409
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: It's never really about the money talking. It's embarrassed, man.

1410
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: It's just a whole atmosphere of how someone lost, and

1411
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: then because you lose it already and then they're talking.

1412
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: Ain't talking about shut up? And that's how that's how

1413
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: I got in trouble because I wouldn't shut up. I'm

1414
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: just going. So the trend was actually transpired between you

1415
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: and Jarvis? Was this was this about a gambling dad

1416
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: or what transpired? So so so me and jaw Varrees,

1417
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: we were like, how me and Nick are? We were here,

1418
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, go over place, you know, one of the

1419
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: young guys who who was trying to figure out how

1420
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: to stay in the league, you know, on the road.

1421
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: He's always in my room ordering food. We go through

1422
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: the plays, we watched, we watched the game. It's my handout, buddy.

1423
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: So they're they're gambling. I'm talking shit. So you gotta

1424
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: remember it's it's Javares, It's Javail, it's her boy kinds right.

1425
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: They ain't no money on the table, So you know

1426
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: what they ain't they ain't this ain't no this ain't

1427
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: they you know, this ain't no If if they lose

1428
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars, one of them is mad. That's the

1429
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: type of you know. So it's probably about thirty minutes

1430
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: left on the plane and I decided, you know what,

1431
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: I want to play, and you know I want to play.

1432
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's Javares. It's so Javail just boo Javarres.

1433
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: So Javars had to match the pop. Correct. Now it's

1434
01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 1: Javares's turn, Javaris, it's boot on his damn wow. Like

1435
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: he flips over. He flips over two clubs, so it's

1436
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: clubs yep. And then and then everybody goes around them,

1437
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: three them too. And then he yells out, I need fold.

1438
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: That don't sound good. He gets boomed, right, you gotta

1439
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: match it again. So now because I'm next if I

1440
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: decide to play. So the rule was, if you want

1441
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 1: to jump into the game, you have to match the pot,

1442
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: no matter what whatever is. Absolutely So I'm like, well,

1443
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: what's it? Then? Little body let me hunted? I'm actually

1444
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: got body left me hunted in the pocket. Sobody leaving

1445
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: he pissed off. Now, oh why are he playing right?

1446
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Because now now now it makes it harder for him

1447
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: to to to play. So I'm in there talking shit,

1448
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: y boy. I said, hey, you got it cause you

1449
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: to day. Now I'm the dealer, now, ye would imagine?

1450
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 1: So you get it. I'm like, I'm like, shre, I

1451
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: want the legs is open. I want some passing it earl.

1452
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: Earl says, so I flip over like a nine. Earl

1453
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: don't want no parts of it because I guess he

1454
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 1: picked at Jabail's hand because Jabil didn't want the rules.

1455
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: Who who like whoo who like like whoa like whoo

1456
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: he got he got a smoker. Yeah. So I'm like,

1457
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: how many you need? He said, I don't need none, No, no,

1458
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: all right, how many you need? Hold on? Hold on,

1459
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 1: you gotta explain to it what do you need? Because

1460
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: you can go, you can explain to yourself. So with

1461
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Boo Ray, it's kind of like it's it's spades spades,

1462
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: but individuals plade. You ain't got no partner, your old Yeah.

1463
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: So whatever car the dealer flips over, that's actually the

1464
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: cut car. That's spades. Yeah. So then it becomes fade. Yeah.

1465
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: So so basically he was basically saying he either has

1466
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: four hands so good, my hand is so good. I

1467
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: don't want to change nothing. He don't want to change.

1468
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 1: So basically he probably had four spades and an astor king,

1469
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: or he got all five spade, or he got five spades.

1470
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: So Javares says, I need five oh, this sold me

1471
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: me being Oh, this man is about to get booed

1472
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: blue this man right, so I'm so now I'm just

1473
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: talking shit. Just blow this man like, oh, he's about

1474
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: to be booed because it's not my turn yet. I'm like, man,

1475
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: you sure you won't fight, you won't file? Oh he

1476
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: needs all five So now I'm just being an asshole. Right.

1477
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: In the same time, Earl Boy gets tells Javille, a man,

1478
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: let me gonna get Let me go ahead, get my

1479
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: two hundred, and Javille's like, hold on after this hand,

1480
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me, let me, let me

1481
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 1: finish his hand first. You know, we always wait until

1482
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: the the plane ain't anyway, like the jars just snaps,

1483
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: just SATs man, get that man, it's two hundred dollars. Man,

1484
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: you got my money over there while you why you

1485
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: holding you got all my money? And I'm like, yo,

1486
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: now you gotta gonna do with you, ain't got to

1487
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: do with you. Worry, don't worry about don't worry about

1488
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: what they do it, don't worry about it. You take

1489
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: your fire because I'm pretty sure there's gonna be some

1490
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: more money in the potty anyway. Yes, right, So now

1491
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: it's my turn, right, I'm like, okay, sh all I

1492
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: needed so I throw them too, and I got I

1493
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: got three because I got three spades, right, And he's

1494
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 1: just going just going, just just because now he probably

1495
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: looked at his hand and realized he ain't got one spade,

1496
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: so he's just I mean, he's going like and I'm like,

1497
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: you know what if you get booed, the money isn't

1498
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: the potty an it? Wait, they ain't no sins, both

1499
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: of us getting booed, You feel me might as well

1500
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: go ahead and let you be booed by yourself, brother.

1501
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: And I said, So what I did is I showed him.

1502
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I got three spades. I'm out of here.

1503
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: Oh three flip over his hand. That's a miss deal,

1504
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, miss you know miss deal. I'm not playing.

1505
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, so I'm gonna leave you blew him.

1506
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm go ahead, get up, let me know when it's

1507
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: my turn to play again, right, And he's just like

1508
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: you can hear him oregon, nah bro nah, br ain't

1509
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: going out like he ain't gonna just let me lose

1510
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: my money like that. He just can't come in here

1511
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: and and double the pot and then lead and don't

1512
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: even fight, help me fight for it to make it

1513
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: at least the two two one. So earls like, yo,

1514
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: they ain't no two two one. I can tell that

1515
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: the show that man got as keen. He got as keen.

1516
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: Queen jack over that mother right there, and I'm hearing it. Oh,

1517
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got up out of there. Yeah, So

1518
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 1: so Javel said, you know what, listen, the money's mine.

1519
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: I had five spades. I was gonna boo you again.

1520
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you not get booed, and I'm just

1521
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: gonna take the money. Oh hell no, he wasn't. He

1522
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: wasn't even happening. Now that's a good deal, though, Gil

1523
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: they get booed, he gonna have a double the pot

1524
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: after you just double it. So he gotta put forty

1525
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: four hundred in there. Then then if he gonna get booed,

1526
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: then he want to get booed with somebody. So he's

1527
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 1: going mad that I didn't help him fight right this money.

1528
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: So then he started talking trash. I started talking trash.

1529
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like it wasn't really like we was

1530
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: going at it. It was just he was irritated that

1531
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,560
Speaker 1: he was losing, and then irritated that I came and

1532
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 1: double the pot and then bounced on him and then

1533
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: look him for dead. But did you did you know

1534
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: his background and what he was capable of? No? Like then,

1535
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: then then he's not capable of you know what he's

1536
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: accused of, like what he's in jailble, Then no, he wasn't. No,

1537
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: like he changed once he got out the league. Circumstances

1538
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 1: forced him to change survival like you know, like when

1539
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 1: people like I remember when when everything broke down and

1540
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: he got in trouble and the d A going against

1541
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: him hit me up for character reference against him, and

1542
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 1: I said it. I said, wait, hold on, I know

1543
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 1: we had an issue and it was this big public thing,

1544
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: but character issue. I'm not going to be a great

1545
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: witness for you because that that was my teammate and

1546
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: he was an amazing guy. Right, Yeah, we had an

1547
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: issue that got blown out of proportion. But I'm not

1548
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: gonna go and say this is what he was capable of,

1549
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: this is who he was, because that wasn't him him

1550
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: how his life went after he got kicked out of

1551
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: the lead, his family stealing his money and he had

1552
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: to to to gravitate to something else. That's not the

1553
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: guy I know. I know, the hoop guy who watched

1554
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: film with me. The jabbar is that you were trying

1555
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: to have me go again. I don't know that one

1556
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: that I can't say that was his character. I can

1557
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:31,799
Speaker 1: say circumstances of financial someone robbed him for his jewelry,

1558
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: everything spiraling down. That's a whole another person right that

1559
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot talk about that person on the person.

1560
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: I know. I can't do it for you. So after that,

1561
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: after that the gambling incident, did you guys speak? Were

1562
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: you guys steal friends friend lee or because you were

1563
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: both were suspended? So how did it end? After that?

1564
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Even before that, I remember I get a text and

1565
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: he said, Yo, g A this uh this JC. You

1566
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: know I need a favor and I know you know

1567
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 1: I can't even go to nobody else. And I know

1568
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: you don't hold grudges like that. You know my mom

1569
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: needs a surgery. Is anyway you can let me borrow?

1570
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: You know, sixty thousand? Then of course how many thousand? Sixty? Hello?

1571
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: You said six or six in a zero? After it? Sixthly?

1572
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 1: Sixthly she was having next surgery. She she needed next surgery.

1573
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: And then I'm probably he probably needed some some some

1574
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: change since he lost his contract. Right, So I said, okay, wire,

1575
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: gave me the wire information, sent it off to him.

1576
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: And this is this is before I even went through

1577
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: my trial. Like he already got off. He already got

1578
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: slapped on, you know, a little slap on the hand.

1579
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: And this is after he said I'm scared for my life.

1580
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: He was coming in, he was gonna kill me. That

1581
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: already doesn't happen, and I'm he's but you know, I'm

1582
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: not gonna hold it grudge. Bro. I know you gotta

1583
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do to survive, right, you know,

1584
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: So I wrote him a check. Until this day we

1585
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 1: still in communications. He paid you back, No, it wasn't.

1586
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't like when I let a teammate, like when

1587
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 1: a teammate asked me for something. It was never the

1588
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: pay me back. You know what, now that you mention it,

1589
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: I don't think any of my teammates have ever paid

1590
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 1: me back on the dead. It's just it was like,

1591
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: you know, if I have it, you know, like I'm

1592
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 1: gonna do something stupid with anyway. So if you you

1593
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: got a better purpose for it. You know, your mom's neck.

1594
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 1: That's that's all right with me. Yeah, now that you

1595
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 1: mentioned I was thinking about that, Like, have any of

1596
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 1: my teammates ever paid me money back? Teammates and family

1597
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: members don't pay money back. I don't pay money back.

1598
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right about that. So I asked you

1599
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: to look back and say, okay, anything you would change.

1600
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: Obviously you would like to not have a knee injury.

1601
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,080
Speaker 1: And I had a longer career because you felt you

1602
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: were in your prime. You had just became the agent zero,

1603
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: the Gilbert Arenas that you know what, this is the

1604
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: guy I always knew I could be. And then you

1605
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,759
Speaker 1: have the need, like you said, you have three surgeries

1606
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: in fourteen months. When you sit back and you watch,

1607
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: do you think what your career could have been had

1608
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: you not had a knee injury. You could have been

1609
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, maybe won a championship. When you

1610
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: do that, when you when you when you do when

1611
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: you play the what if game, you can never move

1612
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: on in life. Like so I try not to do

1613
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: the what if game, Like like how I was playing,

1614
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 1: how I was moving, I knew what I would have been, right,

1615
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 1: So there's no point of asking the questions. Like I

1616
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: remember someone asking me that was like, who's better you were, dame?

1617
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: And I say what at what age? At the age

1618
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: of twenty five? By the age of twenty five him Curry,

1619
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 1: It couldn't see me after twenty five. I can't touch

1620
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: them boys. I didn't. I didn't have a career after that. Like,

1621
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: so you know, you know, like I cannot touch I

1622
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: cannot up until that age, I cannot touch them boys.

1623
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: So as they was like, yo, can you guard him? No,

1624
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have to deal with players like that,

1625
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, so like you know, I I stayed true

1626
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: to you know who I am and don't try to

1627
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, I would have killed everybody. Like

1628
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: it was a different it was a different league. Then.

1629
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 1: David Stern, he suspended for the Jabarras incident. You got

1630
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: suspended for the rest of the season, right, Yeah, we

1631
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: got suspended for here's the trick. Here's the here's the trick.

1632
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: We didn't get suspended for guns because guns in the

1633
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: locker room, no one, no one saw me touch a gun,

1634
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 1: so they couldn't suspend me for a gun. It would

1635
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: have been one game, right, and I would have argued that, like,

1636
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 1: hold on, y'all, just see me. I told y'all that

1637
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 1: those were mine. I didn't tell you I'll put him

1638
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: in there. I didn't tell you I brung them there.

1639
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: I just said those were mine. So legally, no one

1640
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 1: can do nothing to me. I'm just honest. They said, yo, mine,

1641
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 1: I was giving them to him. So when they realized that,

1642
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,600
Speaker 1: they didn't suspend me for guns, they suspending me for

1643
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: detrimental to the team. Detrimental, which was because of what

1644
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: I did in Philadelphia when I was mocking him with

1645
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,759
Speaker 1: the with the with the with the with the pistol hands.

1646
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 1: So I got suspended for that fifty games, which was

1647
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 1: detrimental because they can hold that as long as they want, right,

1648
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:53,560
Speaker 1: And then didn't didn't the DC step in with the

1649
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: gun incident? Who DC? Uh? Yeah? They still they still,

1650
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 1: they still did their case, and they gave me with

1651
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 1: thirty days probation, thirty days halfway house, halfway house, and

1652
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: you got in trouble with that? Hell, what do you mean? So? No?

1653
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: What would half what would the halfway house? Life? Halfway half?

1654
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: You make so halfway house? You know, listen, I was

1655
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: not doing the halfway House in DC. Okay, I did

1656
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 1: the Halfway House in Virginia. Okay. It was either it

1657
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: was either Virginia or find me right because I am

1658
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: not I'm not doing the I'm not doing DC. Whatever

1659
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: this case was by my house or I'm gonna be

1660
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: at my house. Pick one. So they gave me thirty

1661
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: They gave me thirty days, and and uh, the halfway house.

1662
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: Like so I had to do a weekend verst in jail.

1663
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 1: So mine and I have no jail time, so there

1664
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: was no jail, just halfway house. But the the halfway

1665
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: house I was going to said you had to do

1666
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 1: three days a weekend in jail. So this is the

1667
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: funniest shit ever. So you know how like like three days.

1668
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: That's that all right? That So all I know is

1669
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 1: jail from TV. So I'm doing push ups and everything, like, hey,

1670
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 1: I'm about to get buffalo these boys just in case

1671
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: they try to try me in there, right, just in

1672
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 1: case they try to try me, I'm gonna be all

1673
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: big and strong. So I'm thinking there's gonna be some

1674
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 1: some some some criminals. It was old man for ticket violations,

1675
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 1: drunk drive and stuff like that. Right, so after day

1676
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: so that was a Friday Saturday, like, oh man, this

1677
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 1: is walking with my chest high right, and then something

1678
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: told me to look out that window. So look at

1679
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: the window. It's like a little basketball court. So now

1680
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: so it was just I mean being I mean beat,

1681
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: like I ain't like oh he ate weights, he ate.

1682
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 1: And he's on the court right, and he was so strong.

1683
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: He was so strong that he couldn't put his hands

1684
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,759
Speaker 1: down so his hands said like this. Yeah. So he's

1685
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: throwing the ball like just boom, and it's not it's

1686
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: hitting the backboard like boom boom. And I'm sitting there

1687
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: like yo, this what what is he? What is this?

1688
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: And like he's just picking the ball up and he's

1689
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: like trying to shoot it but he's just throwing it

1690
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:47,719
Speaker 1: at the back board and I'm laughing and he looked.

1691
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: He looked at me while I was laughing. Bro, I

1692
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 1: dropped to the ground so fast under the under that glass.

1693
01:41:56,120 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 1: Bro Like soon just looked at me and dropped boom. Man.

1694
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 1: I said it for two hours like nah, nah, not

1695
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 1: even just against he did. I know he's there looking.

1696
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I am not giving up. Did anybody recognize you while

1697
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: you were there? Oh yeah, yeah, you've got an autographs

1698
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: in the halfway half he no. When I got Yeah,

1699
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: when I was in a halfway house, it was like

1700
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: like it was special rules. Yeah, I went in. I

1701
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: went in there, prima donna, I'm not even gonna lie.

1702
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, listen, oh, I don't do roommates.

1703
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 1: And I got bad sleeping habits, like you know, I sleep,

1704
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 1: I wake up at three am and do all this,

1705
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 1: and you know the way the way this room is

1706
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 1: the structured, and I like to watch TV at a

1707
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: certain time. It's gonna irritate the roommate. Then he go

1708
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 1: on a fight, and you do realize you're in a

1709
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 1: halfway house. You do realize it's a halfway house, not

1710
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: Gil's house. No, no, no, no no. But my my

1711
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 1: complaint was like it was it was legit. So they

1712
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: gave me my own room. And then they put a

1713
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: rule in that you can only keep like twenty four

1714
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: dollars on them. So this is what I got. I got,

1715
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: So I got, I got it. What would they call

1716
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: it when you get a I got on lockdown for

1717
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,640
Speaker 1: like ten days? Oh you huh? Yeah, I got So

1718
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 1: what ended up happening is I was smart enough to

1719
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 1: understand that the change machine guy put the change in

1720
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: at four am, right, So I'll go in there and

1721
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 1: then put twenty dollars to take all the out, put

1722
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 1: all the quarters out. No one got no change. So

1723
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:42,200
Speaker 1: I took all the change, and I would charge everybody

1724
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: seventy five cents for their dollars. So I'm giving them

1725
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 1: seventy five cents for a dollars. So they're getting charged,

1726
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 1: you know. So so I'm papered up for another for

1727
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 1: another word, you're huffling. Yeah, if they want to smash

1728
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 1: from the vending machine, they got to come through me.

1729
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: They gotta come to the quarterman. So so I'm hustling there.

1730
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 1: So what ends up happening is I get caught with

1731
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: like like two hundred and twenty dollars and they put

1732
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,639
Speaker 1: me on lockdown and they take Did they take the money?

1733
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they took the money. They took they took

1734
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: the money. They took the money, put me on lockdown

1735
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 1: and had to spend ten days in my room. So

1736
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about your your your your classic battle because

1737
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 1: your your greatest scoring game in your career happened against

1738
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 1: Kobe one of the fiercest competitive, one of the greatest

1739
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:41,560
Speaker 1: offensive players, one of the greatest defensive players. What was

1740
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: your mindset going into that game, because a lot of

1741
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: times you hear people say, well, man, that's that's my idol.

1742
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 1: I grew up watching him. I just want to make

1743
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:55,600
Speaker 1: sure he doesn't embarrass me. Well, you know, before the

1744
01:44:55,720 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: sixty game, my my highest average was against Lakers. It

1745
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 1: was already sitting at about thirty three thirty four, right

1746
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: because I knew, like I knew what it took to

1747
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: be successful against the Lakers and Kobe. You gotta remember

1748
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 1: that's a that's my idol team growing up. You know.

1749
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 1: You know I watched Kobe. I know his mannerisms. I

1750
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 1: know he's playing chess out there, not checkers. So I

1751
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 1: remember Luke Walton said, Yo, Kobe, gonna shut you down

1752
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: to night, Like but he said this every game. Kobe said, hey,

1753
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: gonna shut you down to night. And I was like, well,

1754
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 1: you tell him if he didn't think about guard I

1755
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: mean one four flat because you because you and Luke

1756
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 1: were teammates, right, Yeah, me and Luke was teammates. So

1757
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: Luke just used to hype the ship up too. So

1758
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 1: before that game, Luke said it, and I remember, I'm

1759
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: sitting on the sideway like I already worked out. Kobe's

1760
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: on a second workout and he ain't missing. I'm like,

1761
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: hey man, you didn't killing bruh. I feel sorry. But

1762
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 1: whoever got a garden in the night? Right? That's me

1763
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: pre game, you know, watching him work out and game

1764
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 1: stars and he doesn't a smush, you go get the Sean.

1765
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut down Gilbert and Yeah, And I thought,

1766
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 1: I uh, those first two players coach called cancer those

1767
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: if Kobe's guarded me one fourth flat right, So the

1768
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: way he tipped the ball tip ball, he wasn't guarding me.

1769
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: Smush had to you know, Smush got on me. I'm scoring.

1770
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Then the eventually tells Smush off, I got him. So

1771
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: as soon as I hit like three and a row

1772
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 1: on cold Phil Jackson Yales cold stop stop stop, stop

1773
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: playing do the road. Due to the lineup, I said,

1774
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: you got the Sean. Boom boom boom. Once Kobe switched off,

1775
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: game was over. Because Phil didn't realize this. These chess

1776
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: moves he doesn't interrupted was chess move. So the fact

1777
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: that he was forced to switch off put my mind

1778
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: in a whole different element. I'm gonna fly here tonight

1779
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: it's on. So when he comes back, he ain't gonna

1780
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 1: be able to stop me, right, so he don't. If

1781
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 1: you catch a rid of them, now it's over. Yeah,

1782
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 1: And that's what happened. Is like, it's not about like

1783
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: I tell people, it's not about hitting shots. Per Se

1784
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 1: is not backing down from the challenge. So people ask me,

1785
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: what was your best game? I say the second game

1786
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 1: that year against Kobe because that second year, the second

1787
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 1: game is he said, he's stopping me. I'm on his radar.

1788
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 1: He's stopping me. That means the demon is coming in.

1789
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: He is coming to stop me, right. I gotta compete

1790
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 1: no matter what. Like the team is trying to stop me,

1791
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 1: he's personally trying to stop me. I ended up scoring

1792
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 1: thirty seven. That thirty seven was one hundred points. When

1793
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 1: the guy is there to actually shut you down. Do

1794
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: NBA players go into the game if they know, say

1795
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: KD is playing Lebron, do they go into the game

1796
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 1: says I gotta get forty because he's probably gonna get forty.

1797
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: How do NBA players approach it? I can tell you

1798
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: how I approach it. How did you approach it? You're

1799
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: going to give Kobe, you're gonna givet T Mac. You're

1800
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 1: going to get one of the other prolific scores. I'm attacking,

1801
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 1: like I you know, it's it's we're in a wild

1802
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: you know. I'm I'm not I'm not a caged lyon.

1803
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a wild lion. So I'm I'm out I'm

1804
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: out there hunting, you know what I mean. I'm out there.

1805
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm out there hunting, and I'm trying to Like, if

1806
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 1: you're the shooting guard and this point guard needs to

1807
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: get you the ball, I need to destroy his confidence now,

1808
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:58,840
Speaker 1: you know. So, like somebody like Dame Lillard Curry, my

1809
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 1: defense was trying to get them. I'm trying to get

1810
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: them on the bench with two fouls and they get

1811
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 1: to watch me eat, you know. And that's the way

1812
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,719
Speaker 1: I played. So I was in attack mode from the beginning.

1813
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I wasn't I was in probing.

1814
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to feel let's feel this game out. No,

1815
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 1: I know how the game is. I know how it feels.

1816
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I know how I know how it feels. Who's the

1817
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 1: best player? Feel real uncomfortable around here? Who's the best

1818
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: player in the NBA? Right now, best player. Yes, it's

1819
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:47,679
Speaker 1: either Lebron or Kad. Why you didn't mention Jannis VP

1820
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 1: to I mean, just because you want to MVP do

1821
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: make you the best player? Means you was on the

1822
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 1: best team and he was the best player on the

1823
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,679
Speaker 1: best team. The way the analysts do it, it ain't

1824
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 1: got an unknew who the best player in the NBA

1825
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 1: is is? Who was on the best team? Who did

1826
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: all that? That's you know, so right down for you, huh,

1827
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 1: Kady or Lebron? For you? Who with the first pick? Yes, shit,

1828
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: you get one. I'm saying, give me the readers, you

1829
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: get one player. I'm you're starting your team with one

1830
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 1: player right now? Okay, If I'm starting a team with

1831
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 1: one player, then I go Lebron. Why because with with

1832
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: with Lebron, because he is a one, two, three, four.

1833
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:46,240
Speaker 1: Whatever I can, I can, I can draft anybody around him.

1834
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:48,560
Speaker 1: You know. I used to tell people that. I was like,

1835
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 1: if you have Kobe, it's hard to have a Lebron.

1836
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 1: If you have Lebron, it's easy to get Kobe because

1837
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: Kobe won't won't sacrifice from the Ron. Lebron was sacrifice

1838
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: to bring Kobe on board. You know, so so I'll

1839
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 1: take Lebron because from there it's easier to build a

1840
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 1: team when you when you take any other any any

1841
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 1: other player, you have to build it around that player.

1842
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't have to build a team around Lebron. I

1843
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 1: have Lebron and then bring in who I want and

1844
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:27,439
Speaker 1: then let him fix that meal, Gail. I appreciate your time, bro,

1845
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: I owe you. I know you busy. You took time

1846
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 1: out to give me a couple of hours a day.

1847
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,560
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, Bro, I no problem. Thank you

1848
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: for having me. Hey tell me they don't you let

1849
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 1: me get back in that rain. Don't you do that? Gail?

1850
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 1: If you hear friend, that's your boy, you don't let

1851
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:45,720
Speaker 1: him take another one? All right? I got you, all right?

1852
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 1: Appreciate it all my life, grinding all my life, sac fice, hustle,

1853
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 1: back price, one slice, got the dice to swat all

1854
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding all my life, all my life,

1855
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 1: and grinding all my life, sacrifice, custill bay the price,

1856
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: and want a slice, not the broiler dice to swallow

1857
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: all my life. I've been running all my life