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Speaker 1: But I think the issue with Lindy West is like

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Speaker 1: she really made sense as like an alt weekly, like

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Speaker 1: what I mean that like had her audience and found

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Speaker 1: a slightly greater audience and wrote a book of you know,

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Speaker 1: and wrote like it all like made sense in this vacuum.

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Speaker 1: But it's like you can't suddenly have people who don't

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Speaker 1: know any of the context weighing in on her like

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Speaker 1: polyamorous marriage, and then people are desperate to like make

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Speaker 1: her into like an emblem of you know, millennial feminism.

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Speaker 1: Or it's just like she's one of many voices.

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Speaker 2: She never said she was perfect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it certainly seems like this book is

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Speaker 1: a little, i don't know, misguided in some ways, but

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Speaker 1: like I just don't think that's the reason for her

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Speaker 3: We need rhyme Murphy feud about Lindy West and Dan Savage,

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Speaker 3: I mean say that we actually do. I'm ready for

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Speaker 3: him to like leave sort of fifties Hollywood behind, and

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Speaker 3: like we need like something about two thousand.

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Speaker 2: And three completely.

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Speaker 1: I also, whatever we talk, I find that people are

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Speaker 1: so hungry to be like to talk about like the

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Speaker 1: cringe elements of peak woke or whatever. And it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: yes it was cringe when everyone was reading White Fragility,

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Speaker 1: Like I will grant you that, but like, let's not

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Speaker 1: throw the baby out with the bathwater. Like I think

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Speaker 1: it ultimately was good that like Lyndy West talked about

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Speaker 1: being fat in a way that was not stigmatizing.

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Speaker 2: That is an objectively good thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, everyone's being completely insane per usual.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but again I have no It's like I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to read her book obviously, but I but I

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Speaker 1: just am like, I'm like, you guys don't need to

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: The thing with books is, I'm like, who has the

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Speaker 3: time for the amount of books that come out versus

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Speaker 3: the amount of books that I can read. It's the

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Speaker 3: math isn't mathing, folks.

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Speaker 2: The Math that's the new book of essays by and

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Speaker 2: to West.

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Speaker 3: I also, poly discourse is like in a weird place.

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Speaker 3: I think people are like really ready to like bring

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Speaker 3: down Polly or really defend Polly, and like both are wrong.

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Speaker 3: Like it's sort of like just treat it normal, be normal.

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Speaker 1: It has this I there should be a German word

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Speaker 1: for this what I'm about to describe, which is basically,

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Speaker 1: the people that do something publicly are always the most

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Speaker 1: annoying versions of that thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like, and so then it gives that thing a bad

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Speaker 1: name because the only stories you hear about, by definition

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Speaker 1: are the ones being covered in the media or being

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Speaker 1: promoted by people who want to be famous. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: I am sure there are a billion normal polyamorous people

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Speaker 1: that are like living healthy lives, but we are only hearing.

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Speaker 2: From the ones writing memoirs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like how we thought all gay guys were

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Speaker 3: the same annoying type of guy.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's exactly like that, And then we came out of

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Speaker 3: the closet and people are like, wait, gay guys rule.

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Speaker 2: You guys are a fucking awesome.

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Speaker 1: No, it's very true, and I think, quite frankly like

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Speaker 1: that also goes back to the conversation about like woke, cringe, cringe,

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Speaker 1: woke whatever. It's like, the issue isn't people wanting equal rights,

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Speaker 1: the issues people wanting to be influencers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, now that I know that people in Park Slope

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Speaker 3: can be poll I'm like, nice, I guess Paul is cool.

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Speaker 2: That's not from the link to Cameron Winter's mom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, for anyone who does no Cameron

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Speaker 1: Winter from Geese, his mom wrote a big essay about

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Speaker 3: Perkson, which is so interesting, like truly go.

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Speaker 2: He's just like he's such a like New York rich kid.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that, you know, non pejorative with

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Speaker 1: any non pejorative. I'm just saying like, actually, that is

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