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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giants Huttle podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Schmoke with you. This week, the Voice of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: special teams coordinator Thomas mcgahey will start with him today.

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Speaker 1: check that out too. All right, let's get to the

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Speaker 1: interview at hand. The Voice of the Giants, Bob Papa,

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Speaker 1: spoke to Giants Special Teams Coordinator Thomas mcgahey. Now we're

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Speaker 1: pleased to be joined by the Special Teams coordinator of

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants, Thomas mcgahey, not a stranger to

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Speaker 1: this building, or this facility, or even this studio. How

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Speaker 1: important was it for you to be able to come

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Speaker 1: back and be a part of Coach dable staff? You know,

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Speaker 1: first things first, You know, this organization has been really

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Speaker 1: good to me and my family. Uh, I'm a giant

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Speaker 1: for life. Uh, it's it's been. It's been great to me,

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Speaker 1: to come back and try and build something, specially here

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Speaker 1: with coach. Did you have a relationship with Coach Dabele

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Speaker 1: Your track record is a special teams coordinator is top shelf.

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Speaker 1: You get rave reviews around the league wherever you've been,

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Speaker 1: You've been a part of a Super Bowl championship. Here

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Speaker 1: one of those Lombardi trophies has your name on it

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Speaker 1: in that lobby. Can you talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: sort of the fabric of this organization and that culture

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Speaker 1: it's it's a charter franchise. You're talking about nineteen and Uh,

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Speaker 1: this franchise has been here for a long time and

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Speaker 1: it's had a lot of success, and uh, you have

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Speaker 1: And everybody didn't have that opportunity when they get up

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Speaker 1: How important is it to to have some of your

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Speaker 1: And that's the whole. That's how you become a great team.

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Speaker 1: Who helped form Thomas mcgae he to get to this spot,

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Speaker 1: uh Man as a coach. As a coach, I had

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Speaker 1: been a big influence in my career. And uh, you

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Speaker 1: you know, it was huge in my development. Uh, Coach

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Speaker 1: Ramill was huge in my my my development. Uh, It's

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Speaker 1: just been so many guys over the years, the guys

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Speaker 1: I've been blessed to be a part of a lot

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Speaker 1: of good teams and work for a lot of good

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Speaker 1: coaches and good men. Coach, we appreciate a couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes back or with the remaining with the Giants and

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Speaker 1: let's look for some explosive returns in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: twenty two. That's John's special teams coordinator Thomas mcgahey. We

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Speaker 1: thank him and Bob Papa for this episode of the

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Speaker 1: GIHNT Subtle Podcast. Again, keep your eyes open for those

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Speaker 1: interviews with Mike Kafka and Don Wink, Martin Dale, and

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Speaker 1: one more time. Make sure you go check out the

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Speaker 1: Draft Season podcast, subscribe to it on its own separate

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Speaker 1: podcast feed. I'm John Schmilk. We'll see you next time. Everybody,