Speaker 1: What's debating my almost certainly hopeless opponents of a fascist monster.
Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is normally Behind the Bastards, the
Speaker 1: podcast where we talk about the worst people in all
Speaker 1: of history. But we're doing nothing like that today. Today,
Speaker 1: as prep for the election podcast that Cody Johnston, Katie
Speaker 1: Stole and I will be launching in the worst year ever,
Speaker 1: we are doing an episode covering the Democratic debates, which
Speaker 1: could not be further from the premise of my show
Speaker 1: because none of the people involved in the debates, regardless
Speaker 1: of my issues with them, individually, qualify as true bastards.
Speaker 1: But it's an hour or so of free contents, like
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? You whine at me? Already
Speaker 1: gave you two episodes about bastards this week, Like this
Speaker 1: is just deal with it. He can't hear you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't hear you. Like complain more, but please please
Speaker 1: do listen to the podcast. I love all of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where we just thought we would get the ball rolling
Speaker 1: on our eventual show. Yeah, we're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: exactly what it's going to be so that we we
Speaker 1: aren't just throwing another nonsense political podcast into a crowded
Speaker 1: field of misery that makes everyone hate themselves. So like
Speaker 1: the candidates, like the candidates, and debates themselves. So this
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a refining process. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like, if you're shooting missiles at the Moon, you're
Speaker 1: gonna hit Mars a couple of times. It's just hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to hit the moon with a missiles. Kind
Speaker 1: of get a few bedos up there, so you know,
Speaker 1: this missile might hit Jupiter, we might hit Europe U,
Speaker 1: we might hit the Sun, we might hit Manhattan. Either way,
Speaker 1: the next missile we fire will be closer to the moon.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm comparing this tow missiles, Jupiter
Speaker 1: or Manhattan. Yep, okay, classic one to those are the options.
Speaker 1: Ye hey, everybody, one way or the other. You heard
Speaker 1: either Katie and Cody's intro or my intro. And now
Speaker 1: with the actual podcast is starting, and I arrogantly grabbed
Speaker 1: leading everyone in stole it from you both disgusting. It
Speaker 1: is I'm a monster, absolutely not um this is this
Speaker 1: is gonna be fun for everybody's listening who might be
Speaker 1: confused that listens to both we're sitting here or recording
Speaker 1: two different intros for the episode. Um, it'll cut together.
Speaker 1: You know we're here, we're in it, We're with you now,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk about the debates. Guys, who I
Speaker 1: want to know? First off? Who surprised you? Who were
Speaker 1: you discounting? And then you came into it and you're like, wow, man,
Speaker 1: if anybody that person was interesting. I mean, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, Looper, I know Castro's name was not at
Speaker 1: all in my mind. I wasn't even really aware that
Speaker 1: he was running, and he performed very well, really did
Speaker 1: for debate too. I would say the person who surprised
Speaker 1: me who was not? I mean I knew she was running,
Speaker 1: but she was not on my radar. I think Gillibrando
Speaker 1: a lot better than I expected. She absolutely, um she
Speaker 1: didn't earn my vote, but she did better than I expected.
Speaker 1: I was completely blown away that Marian Williamson was even
Speaker 1: on the stage. I don't know how that over my
Speaker 1: She got a few you really like, oh that's actually true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you don't you shouldn't really be here, but what
Speaker 1: you're saying is true. You're not wrong. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? And I would almost like
Speaker 1: it if in the future. For debates, we had the
Speaker 1: candidates and then like one person who was popular in
Speaker 1: America and who just came on to like drive home
Speaker 1: an issue like Okay, yeah, everybody, but like the ice
Speaker 1: caps are melting in the world's dying, like maybe addressed
Speaker 1: bring it back because the moderators definitely are going to
Speaker 1: do that, not Chuck Todd for sure. Um so yeah,
Speaker 1: having someone be the actual voices. Like but like, here's
Speaker 1: what we're really talking about. One thing we've learned as
Speaker 1: a species is that, regardless of our ability to put
Speaker 1: human beings on other planets to create electric cars, we
Speaker 1: have not invented a human being who is capable of
Speaker 1: moderating a political thing has never happened. We need roots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: robots maybe or or Herzog could do that. Jo you
Speaker 1: would do that silently, like he could come to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like his presidents would would do that. One thing
Speaker 1: it would help probably is fewer candidates and more hours,
Speaker 1: but we can we can talk about that. Would you
Speaker 1: have preferred five candidates a night for four nights? I
Speaker 1: would have been fine with that more than what is
Speaker 1: currently there. I would have preferred even then, like ten
Speaker 1: candidates for four hours or like even longer. Um, Like
Speaker 1: I have no problem with a longer debate, Like that's
Speaker 1: why we're here. Uh, we have literally twenty four hour
Speaker 1: news channels and people are like engaged in that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, and we want to know that, oh, whoever
Speaker 1: is going to be can like stand on a stage
Speaker 1: for six hours and talk about the issues. And we
Speaker 1: live in a world where people routinely will spend a
Speaker 1: dozen hours in a weekend been watching television just to
Speaker 1: chill out. Like I feel like we can devote ten
Speaker 1: hours to debates about the future of our species. You
Speaker 1: think it seems reasonable. It seems like it's difficult because
Speaker 1: watching these yeah, you don't really get a clear sense
Speaker 1: of people. These are the most important so they say,
Speaker 1: the most important people in the world right now, right
Speaker 1: and and like we're not getting that many opportunities to
Speaker 1: get to know them outside of Twitter, outside of the
Speaker 1: headlines that we see, the random clips that are passed around,
Speaker 1: and you don't really have the time to hear anything,
Speaker 1: like it's a quick SoundBite thirty seconds. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: in general kind of like I don't think it's exaggerating necessarily.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of shameful what they have done, like, uh,
Speaker 1: the idea, like that's fair. Yeah, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: oversell it, but I do. It's a shameful thing that
Speaker 1: the media is allowed to happen. It's just it shows
Speaker 1: that they didn't learn anything from but if they did,
Speaker 1: they learned the wrong thing. It wasn't even just ten
Speaker 1: candidates over two hours. It was ten candids over two
Speaker 1: hours with five moderators and like a bunch of commercial breaks.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is it's like, well, there weren't that
Speaker 1: many commercial breaks, but yeah, there shouldn't have been any,
Speaker 1: Like there's moderator switches. It's not that long if it
Speaker 1: was a six hour to be like yeah, yes, one
Speaker 1: hour and we don't like three people for one hour,
Speaker 1: two people for the next hour. Is really is that
Speaker 1: just because everybody wanted to be involved or all that
Speaker 1: because they're from different networks? I guess yeah, it must
Speaker 1: have been some, isn't it. No, Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: either way. It was unnecessary and like no one like
Speaker 1: no one that position isn't like oh they got like
Speaker 1: the best question, Like I will say that I thought,
Speaker 1: especially on night once Evanna Guthrie did a good job
Speaker 1: of she could have done the whole thing, I know exactly,
Speaker 1: and I like, I'm one of the people that like
Speaker 1: Rachel Matto not obsessively. She's fine. She's fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that she's entertaining. She made some bad mistakes.
Speaker 1: Are the Muller report this, I completely agree, and I
Speaker 1: don't watch her show nearly as much as I used to,
Speaker 1: but I think that she is good at breaking down
Speaker 1: stuff and she's really good on her feet. Anyway, this
Speaker 1: isn't about Rachel Maddow and I like her fine, but
Speaker 1: could have just stuck with Savannah Guth, especially following up
Speaker 1: really aggressively and keeping people on points, saying like, you
Speaker 1: don't answer the questions. You expect a single human being
Speaker 1: to function for four hours in a week. That's good
Speaker 1: points impossible. No one cut it up, cut it up,
Speaker 1: get more people up there, Oh I do. I did
Speaker 1: want to mention this because this is what you asked
Speaker 1: at the very beginning. I think Corey Booker also surprised me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't. I wanted to give him credit where
Speaker 1: it's due because I've I think he's corny as hell
Speaker 1: all the time. I know, I avoided saying that but yes,
Speaker 1: I agree with you completely. He's super corny and I
Speaker 1: don't think he comes off it's very authentic. Um, But
Speaker 1: I thought he did a really good job surprisingly so
Speaker 1: all right, And I guess the limited time I wanted
Speaker 1: more time to see what he had to say, I
Speaker 1: mean everybody, because but like we were talking about, like
Speaker 1: the idea that he even brought up, like African Americans
Speaker 1: trans women in America are the idea that like he
Speaker 1: that he in his very limited amount of time, an
Speaker 1: issue that will not gain him a single vote because
Speaker 1: there's very few trans first off, not like not just
Speaker 1: said that African American trans women are being murdered at
Speaker 1: a night Mary straight. But first I've introduced that, like
Speaker 1: transgender people in general are victims of violent crimes at
Speaker 1: huge rates. Women specified that and this is particularly a
Speaker 1: problem within the black transgender community. The fact that he
Speaker 1: took that time is a and I don't like the guy,
Speaker 1: but it is a very significant credit to his first
Speaker 1: and give him a lot of credit. I was kind
Speaker 1: of I was surprised and kind of blown away and
Speaker 1: that he brought it up, and also like it's because
Speaker 1: it's no one's ever going to bring that up. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just me being cynical when I
Speaker 1: see him do that, because I have this idea of
Speaker 1: him and I know that he's a politician, and I
Speaker 1: have fears and authentic I immediately go to, are you
Speaker 1: just saying that? But I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: operate like that. And I do agree. I really appreciated it,
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to us to say this
Speaker 1: and like start saying on the debate stage that people
Speaker 1: start getting used to this being an issue that we discuss.
Speaker 1: I hate the Democratic Party almost like much as I
Speaker 1: hate the Republican Party for very different reasons. But it
Speaker 1: is a credit to the Democratic Party that the issue
Speaker 1: of violence against trans people came up more than once
Speaker 1: in this debate, and in spite like it is not
Speaker 1: it's not a vote getter. It's an issue they could
Speaker 1: ignore and not lose a vote. And the fact that
Speaker 1: it has been made and not insignificant part of at
Speaker 1: least one of the debates is a real credit to
Speaker 1: the party. And I'll say that that matters a lot
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I wanted to say that because, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we're talking about this. William Castro was the first
Speaker 1: one to bring on trans women and talking about healthcare
Speaker 1: and how it's necessary for us to include them when
Speaker 1: we're talking about women's reproductive rights, and I clapped. I
Speaker 1: was sitting. It's so rare to see anything that even
Speaker 1: vaguely resembles at a distance. If squint and take mushrooms,
Speaker 1: courage and politics today, and that's I would. I would.
Speaker 1: I would call standing up for trans people from a
Speaker 1: mainstream politician courage. And it shouldn't be and it's horrible
Speaker 1: that it is, but it is, and we're thrilled to
Speaker 1: see those steps being taken. I think it's important. Even
Speaker 1: though this was kind of a cluster fuck. We can
Speaker 1: say that on here because it's a podcast. Um let's
Speaker 1: call it cluster pp, cluster pep. This was this was
Speaker 1: a bit of a cluster PP. I do feel good
Speaker 1: about a lot of this stuff that we've talked about.
Speaker 1: I do feel like even the candidates that I'm not
Speaker 1: thrilled about people throwing out stuff. Especially on Night one.
Speaker 1: I liked seeing Lean Castro standing up there saying I'd
Speaker 1: like to see everybody else on the stage, the other candidates,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that happened a couple of times.
Speaker 1: In different in different capacities, and we saw it happening.
Speaker 1: And that is the beautiful thing about this part of
Speaker 1: the process, seeing where we land on certain issues. I
Speaker 1: would like more in longer debates, they all radicalize each other.
Speaker 1: And Joe Biden is wearing like a chairman mouse shirt
Speaker 1: and shouting about taking the factories back, and that's well,
Speaker 1: that's like, I'm not not but I would enjoy that
Speaker 1: from a a fewer perspective. And then we saw a
Speaker 1: little bit of that and it was really cool. And
Speaker 1: I think that we've talked about leading up to this
Speaker 1: that like like the winner of the Democratic debates is like, well,
Speaker 1: what is the platform end up being? What are the
Speaker 1: issues and plans of people gravitate tours? And if you
Speaker 1: have ten people for two hours and five moderators, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to get to that point. And it's actually
Speaker 1: kind of amazing that there were a few moments like that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have four hours, you have you are able to
Speaker 1: say you get two minutes to talk about this, and
Speaker 1: if someone is like raising their hand, you can actually
Speaker 1: say okay, actually have a conversation instead of like really
Speaker 1: forcing it and trying to get the sound bites in
Speaker 1: and so on. For the purpose of intellectual masturbation, I
Speaker 1: would like to talk about how we'd like to see
Speaker 1: this happen, and for my own self, what I would
Speaker 1: enjoy saying of the same twenty candidates. If I was
Speaker 1: picking the rules, I would want five of them to
Speaker 1: get two hours each four nights in one week, and
Speaker 1: then six weeks later you look at who they are
Speaker 1: and you pick the top ten, and then you have
Speaker 1: a four hour debate with the top ten. And four
Speaker 1: hours is a long time. People might say that's unreasonable. Like,
Speaker 1: one of the things you vote for and you should
Speaker 1: be voting for in a president is their stamina, their
Speaker 1: ability to function and focus for four hours of a
Speaker 1: hard core debate. That's important because we currently have a president.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. Yeah, And like I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people that were in the debate tonight and
Speaker 1: last night couldn't do that. Yeah. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: lines can beato say in Spanish and English? Just one
Speaker 1: based on the most time to talk about that? Did
Speaker 1: everybody gasp? Everybody gasped, And that was the most likable
Speaker 1: Corey Booker has ever been when he gave him that.
Speaker 1: That was perfect. Yeah, that looks that look had even
Speaker 1: more because we knew he was going to do it.
Speaker 1: I think they all did it more reasonably that he
Speaker 1: did it an issue where it was like, no, you're
Speaker 1: just repeating your point in Spanish for no reason, and
Speaker 1: that's weird. Yeah, brought it out really early on, and
Speaker 1: really it was like the thing I'm going to do,
Speaker 1: and it did have nothing and he and he made
Speaker 1: sure to be the first person to speak Spanish on
Speaker 1: the floor with Latino Canada, which is the part that
Speaker 1: was painful. Come on, man, it's not going to disagree
Speaker 1: with the great wonderful, but obviously this whole debate isn't
Speaker 1: in Spanish. You're doing something wondering and out of the
Speaker 1: gate the white man that stands on tables that everybody
Speaker 1: rolls their eyes at, how little self awareness does he?
Speaker 1: If it had been if the question the first question,
Speaker 1: if it had still been the first question, but it
Speaker 1: had been like about immigration reform or about something directly
Speaker 1: tied to that, as opposed to just like I'm going
Speaker 1: to answer a question and I'm gonna do it again
Speaker 1: in Spanish, and like what do you beto? Right? He
Speaker 1: didn't really answer the question. Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 1: He did not answer the question in either language at
Speaker 1: a time. He's also just super fun. I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan of Beto Rouric. He didn't win me over here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care for him, but yeah, Julian Castro really
Speaker 1: did um and I had zero expectations for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was not aware he was really running. Be entirely honest,
Speaker 1: at the risk of credifying myself the people, I absolutely
Speaker 1: still cannot. I didn't even know the Oprah book Lady
Speaker 1: was going to be there, right, that was a surprise.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, they would towards the end
Speaker 1: of the debate they'd go to somebody and like, wait,
Speaker 1: have they gone to this guy yet? I'm always surprised
Speaker 1: that John hicken Looper exists, that he looks nothing like
Speaker 1: I imagine. It's really funny too, because it's like there
Speaker 1: were like four hicken Loopers tonight, and there were four
Speaker 1: hicken Loopers last night. Like it's just it's not but
Speaker 1: it's not even like white Man. It's just like a
Speaker 1: very specific type type of guy. It's it's a guy
Speaker 1: that you wind up in line behind at the co
Speaker 1: op buying a lot of organic so like all of
Speaker 1: them are that guy. And I have tweeted about this
Speaker 1: and talked about this before, and some people are like,
Speaker 1: that's racist when I say specifically this type of white man.
Speaker 1: And I'm only doing that because I'm describing literally who
Speaker 1: it is if it was a white man, like a
Speaker 1: Bernie who is something a different kind And I'm not
Speaker 1: a Bernie person, but per se, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: something unique, something different. But these guys are very hard
Speaker 1: to differentiate between in these thirty second increments, in these
Speaker 1: little snippets that we get, and they're not bringing something new,
Speaker 1: and every every time a new person knew one of
Speaker 1: them through their hat in the ring, it just frustrated
Speaker 1: me a little bit because we've got all these unique
Speaker 1: candidates that are really exciting. Well that's the other thing,
Speaker 1: because I think that they're not They're not necessarily like
Speaker 1: it's not like they're all the same, but like, when
Speaker 1: you have such a limit of time, it is hard
Speaker 1: to differentiate them. And there were a few moments, uh
Speaker 1: the last night and maybe a couple tonight, we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy's right, Yeah, that's a good point that that
Speaker 1: guy made. Wow, who the funk is he? Yeah? Where
Speaker 1: did he go? Well, never see him him again. Now
Speaker 1: he's gone, right, But if you had like more time
Speaker 1: and time to breathe come back to that guy. And
Speaker 1: now I now actually know who he is and what
Speaker 1: he stands for, and how he how he's different from
Speaker 1: all the other people on the stage. Not just that
Speaker 1: was a good sentence I heard from somebody. If number
Speaker 1: one news networks were not entirely a for profit endeavor
Speaker 1: existed for the call me a crazy fucking communist here
Speaker 1: betterment of society rather than sheer oald or value. Uh.
Speaker 1: And if also the Democratic Party was more competent, having
Speaker 1: twenty candidates at this point, that it could be real strength,
Speaker 1: could be a great chance for adversity, is for real debate,
Speaker 1: for inability for people to have a real choice and
Speaker 1: to hear a lot of issues and have issues that
Speaker 1: wouldn't otherwise get pressed in in a campaign be pushed
Speaker 1: in just based on necessity. Um, I could see that
Speaker 1: being a real strength. It's not the way they focused
Speaker 1: it instead, it just it just hurts the entire cause
Speaker 1: of sanity. And that's frustrating to me. Right, And they're
Speaker 1: just like all the like, all right, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: a real quick down the line and then they do
Speaker 1: the one one word answers or five word answers ever,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you're just it's just this onslaught of
Speaker 1: yeah information, you can and nearly answers the question. The
Speaker 1: question I will say and say they were like one
Speaker 1: one part. I think it was just hicken Looper who
Speaker 1: was just like climate change. There were a few people
Speaker 1: who was like, okay, John, like you got me there.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because that stands out, whereas people that say, well,
Speaker 1: go run off and start listening, shoving as many words
Speaker 1: as they can into that ten seconds. But the people
Speaker 1: that are concise and answered I did stand out in
Speaker 1: those moments. Um. Yeah, I hated everyone's answer to the
Speaker 1: question who is the biggest threat to America? Because in
Speaker 1: a sane debate, my opinion is there's one answer, and
Speaker 1: it's oh, the biggest threat to America is Americans. It
Speaker 1: will always be, it has always been, and there's no
Speaker 1: one else that comes close. Run for president. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I will. I agree. It's frustrating the just these media
Speaker 1: twerps Chuck Todd, bothers, hello me and he has forever
Speaker 1: and he didn't change my mind. He's not good. He
Speaker 1: didn't win me over. I'm not gonna job. Quick question, Cody,
Speaker 1: how many times do you think you could buy and
Speaker 1: sell you? Oh? As many as I could. I could start,
Speaker 1: I could start counting now, and by the time this
Speaker 1: episode is done, that number would be less than the actual.
Speaker 1: The best thing about capitalism is is the meritocracy. I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe that. I believe in that, and I believe
Speaker 1: that you think that too, big fan of the meritocracy,
Speaker 1: which is really a thing that happens. Chuck Todd deserves everything. Um,
Speaker 1: he has good, his job, fantastic, a real real smart cookie. Uh.
Speaker 1: The first time the last night at the going down
Speaker 1: the line, like what do you think about that? And
Speaker 1: then they do their their quick answers. He's like, ah,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite part. This is the good part,
Speaker 1: you know, the part where you really get into it.
Speaker 1: What Chuck fuck? I will say the best part of
Speaker 1: these two debates, and I can't imagine even another competitor
Speaker 1: is Kamala Harris, who I don't like because she's a cop.
Speaker 1: Really fucking grilling Biden about that awesome. That was fucking great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that moment of night too for sure for me, was
Speaker 1: that and emotional about it. You could tell she was
Speaker 1: damn near at tears when she finished, or fighting for composure,
Speaker 1: tell like it really affected her and she really meant it.
Speaker 1: At the same time, like she was going to do
Speaker 1: that no matter what, like she was planning on, like
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this on stage, and that's what
Speaker 1: we've been talking about for a long time. Like I
Speaker 1: can't wait for Joe Biden to be next to people
Speaker 1: who actually talked to him about this stuff. I was,
Speaker 1: I mean, Bernie didn't really go after Joe Biden, and
Speaker 1: we were expecting that, but I'm thrilled. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: so good. And again this is one of those things
Speaker 1: like there he did not look her in the eye.
Speaker 1: He did, man, he gave her, He gave her a glance,
Speaker 1: and then he looked away. He could he could not
Speaker 1: do it. He got mad. Yeah, you know, as a journalist,
Speaker 1: your goal is to try to be to look at
Speaker 1: things from an objective point of view. As a podcast,
Speaker 1: your your goal is not that. And I find myself
Speaker 1: time between the two and I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like I need to emphasize I very much dislike Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris I just and I do not like the idea
Speaker 1: of voting for a prosecutor. I think her job, the
Speaker 1: job that she did for years is fundamentally and evil
Speaker 1: to the world. She fucking nailed that. That was perfect,
Speaker 1: And I completely agree with you. I those are all
Speaker 1: of my reservations against Kamala. And when I talk to
Speaker 1: people about it, you know, some people don't like that.
Speaker 1: I don't like Kamala, And um, I'm capable even fucking
Speaker 1: credit where it's do. Yeah, she's so good at that,
Speaker 1: and she's so good in all the Senate hearings. She's
Speaker 1: so and that's the prosecutor in her. She's concise, she's smart,
Speaker 1: and she's aggressive and and that showed tonight. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that I really liked about the moment
Speaker 1: because she is she is concise, she's very polished, he's
Speaker 1: very good at speaking. I liked the raw emotion, especially
Speaker 1: at the very end. And I really everyone find that
Speaker 1: find that, like the YouTube video of this, and like
Speaker 1: really look at after she delivers her last word. What
Speaker 1: you see on her face is like something you get
Speaker 1: so rarely in national politics, is like real emotion that
Speaker 1: moved her body like and that's important to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I really liked to see her and she had
Speaker 1: to sort of take a moment and likes it as
Speaker 1: it should have. Well, because that's also like that's like
Speaker 1: a scary thing to do on a stage. Character and courage,
Speaker 1: and I impressed by her. Some people would skew that
Speaker 1: as being emotional, and some kinds of people are dumb.
Speaker 1: I want I want to know that my I want
Speaker 1: to know that my president has human emotions. The most
Speaker 1: I've ever been sympathetic to Donald Trump is hearing that
Speaker 1: his daughter described him what chemical weapons did to kids,
Speaker 1: and that he had a gut reaction to it. I
Speaker 1: want that, like he didn't do anything effective about it,
Speaker 1: Like you want to know that, like the presidents of
Speaker 1: human being hear something and be like, well fuck it,
Speaker 1: we got to take action this, this can't be allowed
Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah. Absolutely, yes, I create all completely. I
Speaker 1: think it's funny. At some pointed out I think this
Speaker 1: is perfect that so like Kamal took a moment to
Speaker 1: call Joe Biden racist, Well, she said, I'm not calling
Speaker 1: you racis. And if you guys need reminding, this was
Speaker 1: about the issue about bussing students and how how how
Speaker 1: Biden was against bussing and children into different districts. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, she was supposed to have had a
Speaker 1: thirty second time or on that. Nobody even thoughts about that.
Speaker 1: I love that. I was. I was like, well, she
Speaker 1: blew past for a while, it's are they going to stop?
Speaker 1: That was well done to say like, well, this is
Speaker 1: the moment that we need to let breathe. I feel
Speaker 1: like Walter Cronkite's ghost would write you down for trying
Speaker 1: to stop that questioning that would that would have been
Speaker 1: the most embarrassing moment if if someone tried to stop
Speaker 1: her from let her speak, Like God, Chuck, shut the
Speaker 1: funk up. But he didn't do was yeah to hut
Speaker 1: In Todd's credit, Chuck Todd was like, yeah, this needs
Speaker 1: to happen. Chuck Todd's credit, he didn't do anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the best thing he's done is not anything. Um
Speaker 1: but I think all this is really funny that in
Speaker 1: response to that, so obviously Joe Biden got really really mad,
Speaker 1: but like so she called him racist and then in
Speaker 1: response he called her a cop. Yeah. It's like, oh, so,
Speaker 1: like you're just like living Twitter out right now. Like
Speaker 1: you're doing it all. I would have loved it if
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. The only thing you could have gotten it
Speaker 1: to get my my support after that is if he'd
Speaker 1: called her a cop, put on a black mask, and
Speaker 1: then spray painted the Antifa, that would have been amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just fucking Joe Biden goes like full banks e. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he really did a bad job tonight. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't He wasn't great. I mean after that, like
Speaker 1: there was no going background because it made him so mad,
Speaker 1: I think, and even before that, before that, and again
Speaker 1: in terms of like theoretically things that he could have
Speaker 1: done during my support if he'd just been like, you're right.
Speaker 1: I came up in a different era. I learned things
Speaker 1: that were wrong, and I was wrong then and you
Speaker 1: are right now. Let me explain why I still think
Speaker 1: I can do a good job as president. And that's human.
Speaker 1: That's why the night well, the night before when Tulsea
Speaker 1: talked about this, and we've got the various opinions, but
Speaker 1: like saying, like I think a lot of people watching
Speaker 1: can relate to growing up in a conservative household and
Speaker 1: growing and change your mind, and I was like, that
Speaker 1: is exactly what you say as someone who hate like
Speaker 1: I hate Tulsa Gabard. I also grew up hating gay
Speaker 1: people because of how I was raised, and I identified
Speaker 1: with that statement, and that was a very good way
Speaker 1: for her to answer. That's how you address it, because
Speaker 1: because it's true, yeah, or people and hiding for hiding
Speaker 1: from it is a real mistake handled that question about
Speaker 1: the shootings in his town. And at the start at
Speaker 1: in to it, yes, I completely agree, um, but that
Speaker 1: was human and honest and him saying like, I don't
Speaker 1: know this is this is a nightmare and it's very difficult.
Speaker 1: We could I couldn't get it, I said, I couldn't
Speaker 1: get That gutted me a little bit. I was like,
Speaker 1: not gutted me, but hit me in a way of
Speaker 1: like I just so deeply appreciated saying And this is
Speaker 1: where so I'm getting a little bit like off here,
Speaker 1: but this is where I get to like the fundamental
Speaker 1: issue of of of the still king, the lurking ghost
Speaker 1: of authoritarianism that is at the core of every system
Speaker 1: in the world that's still left over the days when
Speaker 1: we were ruled by kings. The fact that an acceptable
Speaker 1: answer that question wouldn't have been Buddaget going. We couldn't
Speaker 1: get it done. This is a nightmare. Nobody knows how
Speaker 1: to fix this entirely, and the only answer will come
Speaker 1: from sustained, long term nationwide dialogue to figure out how
Speaker 1: to fix this problem, because it's not a problem that
Speaker 1: can be solved by a person at the top. It's
Speaker 1: a problem that starts from the bottom and percolates up,
Speaker 1: like the solution starts from the bottom and percolates. That's
Speaker 1: we'll see. That's another reason why Mary Ann Williamson was like,
Speaker 1: she's she's right. Was the one when she said that.
Speaker 1: I was like, why are you derailing? This is weird?
Speaker 1: And then she got to it was like, oh, she's right.
Speaker 1: That is it's exactly what you just said. When she
Speaker 1: was talking about how like it's not just I mean,
Speaker 1: it seemed like it was sort of getting into like
Speaker 1: a holistic medicine where she she went to some weird digressions,
Speaker 1: but like the idea of and she also called like
Speaker 1: universal health care and like whether I have medical for
Speaker 1: all that's like superficial solutions, which I don't necessarily agree with,
Speaker 1: but like the idea of just like degree with that right,
Speaker 1: But like, why do people get sick? Why do we
Speaker 1: have these problems? What are the roots of these problems?
Speaker 1: And we have to we have to be able to
Speaker 1: talk and and really explore what causes the problems that
Speaker 1: we're making policies to solve the symptoms of that. She
Speaker 1: doesn't she doesn't think she's gonna win, and I don't think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think us the ensley of this of
Speaker 1: the second like knows he's not going to be the
Speaker 1: presidential candidate. He just wants to make sure climate change
Speaker 1: gets talked about. They're all they're all doing the gravel
Speaker 1: thing or and it might take a while for that
Speaker 1: to seep in, but it is true. What are the
Speaker 1: other things that are factoring into this bigger problem? Can
Speaker 1: I throw in a free at plug? Sure? Try sandwiches
Speaker 1: They're great, They're just great. Yeah, any sandwich really good
Speaker 1: concept bread and then things in between the great idea.
Speaker 1: Try a sandwich. I want to talk about Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 1: I love talking about Elizabeth Warren. Are you a couple
Speaker 1: of Warren bros? Yes, babe, No, I am You're nothing.
Speaker 1: Comprehensively planned out and logical solutions to basic problems, Bro
Speaker 1: wild wild stuff a problem. She's got a plan for that.
Speaker 1: It's not the number of plots that she has plans for,
Speaker 1: it's that she specifically the things that she's focused on
Speaker 1: most seemed to be like breaking up big tech all
Speaker 1: the fucking Nazis, which literally has a billboard that says
Speaker 1: break up big Tech. Like it's so simple. Yeah good,
Speaker 1: it's also real quick, just something that's been bothering me.
Speaker 1: Um because like the whole breaking up big tech and
Speaker 1: and that is I think an issue that everyone can
Speaker 1: kind of come together. It's the right and the left thing.
Speaker 1: It's extremely frustrating to watch that the rights concerned about
Speaker 1: big tech is solely about conservatives being censored because would
Speaker 1: like everyone else to be banned from existing, right, Like
Speaker 1: I know why. It's like not the right, it's but
Speaker 1: the people who are part of that grift are literal
Speaker 1: Nazis in many cases, right, And like there's a there's
Speaker 1: a clear like goal um and mission from a lot
Speaker 1: of them. But like just like you see Ted Cruz
Speaker 1: and he's he's like in in uh in the hearing
Speaker 1: and he's like concerns sounds. It's like no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the reason. Like there. It's just very bizarre,
Speaker 1: and it's not the reason because like David NewART, who
Speaker 1: is like, one of the things I do for a
Speaker 1: living is anti fascist research. David NewART is the very
Speaker 1: best of us who got banned from Twitter for the
Speaker 1: fact that his book cover had a stylized image of
Speaker 1: a guy in a clan hood on it because this
Speaker 1: book is about racist groups in America, and he got
Speaker 1: banned from Twitter for weeks. Like David knew, it's not
Speaker 1: a conservative. The problem isn't that Twitter bands conservatives. The
Speaker 1: problem is that Twitter's decisions as to who to ban
Speaker 1: are completely consistent, have nothing to do with their actual
Speaker 1: written rules, and are often done by random robots and
Speaker 1: then justified post facto by individual human beings trying to
Speaker 1: avoid like making a bad news cycle. And that's dumb.
Speaker 1: Agree completely. We're talking about Elizbeth Warren. I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. Okay, So in terms of her debate performance,
Speaker 1: I feel personally that she stood out, you know, different phrases,
Speaker 1: heads and shoulders, miles ahead of all the other candidates.
Speaker 1: She is the person that answers the fun in question.
Speaker 1: That is true, she answers the question question she doesn't pivot.
Speaker 1: You see, some are like it's so basic, but everybody
Speaker 1: else will take it and pivot to something that feel
Speaker 1: comfortable talking about. It makes me, even Bernie he did
Speaker 1: it tonight, makes me people avoid talking about a race
Speaker 1: racial issue to start talking about, you know, your comfort
Speaker 1: zone and it's he's got the message that he sticks
Speaker 1: to and why they want you to do that, but
Speaker 1: it's it's not authentic and you're not actually you're not
Speaker 1: answering whenever. You know, there were so many times when
Speaker 1: like one of the modern is just like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you twelve more seconds. Do you wanna
Speaker 1: answer the direct question? Like they like, I love the
Speaker 1: wording because that really do you want to answer? The
Speaker 1: direct question? Was said a lot like the phrase direct
Speaker 1: brother and Elizabeth to Elizabeth Warren. And you mentioned, you
Speaker 1: know that moment with Kamala you see her her humanness
Speaker 1: in that moment. But I I felt that with Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Warren on most of her answers that I wasn't just
Speaker 1: looking at a politician. And we talked about this earlier,
Speaker 1: how maybe she didn't always have the canned line answer. No,
Speaker 1: she did, So if I were to like evalue Elizabeth
Speaker 1: warren'shul performance. Her her first answer and her last answer,
Speaker 1: we're both very polished, very well scripted, what a progressive
Speaker 1: politician would say in a movie. And between then she
Speaker 1: talked like a normal person having a conversation with you,
Speaker 1: which is why I would say from a presentation standpoint,
Speaker 1: she did not come across the best because she came
Speaker 1: across as a person who is thinking through answers and
Speaker 1: having a conversation with you, trying to answer them, which
Speaker 1: I don't know if it is a weakness or strength,
Speaker 1: because Donald Trump comes across as a drunken farmer um
Speaker 1: when and like anyone the presidency, that turned out to
Speaker 1: be great, and we're all if fucking exhausted of people
Speaker 1: who sound like politicians, and she sounds she sounded like
Speaker 1: a politician, like a good politician at the first and
Speaker 1: last answer. In between she sounded like a person trying
Speaker 1: to find some oceans. Yeah, that'sated with but I understand,
Speaker 1: like that's it's just important to note that that is
Speaker 1: very true, um, and different people are going to take
Speaker 1: that in different ways. For me, I found it refreshing. Also,
Speaker 1: she taught special ed and UH as a person who
Speaker 1: taught special and was bad at it. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that about you. I did and was bad at it.
Speaker 1: My job was mostly to get punched in the face.
Speaker 1: But having literally gone to war zones and been shot at,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a harder job than teaching special education.
Speaker 1: Anybody who dedicates a chunk of their life to doing that,
Speaker 1: except for me, because I was at it is a hero.
Speaker 1: Your mother does, right. Yeah, and to have a president
Speaker 1: who I understand that. Yeah, I want to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about her. I don't have the answer to this,
Speaker 1: but maybe you guys do. I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: pushback or some amount to with Warren online um specifically
Speaker 1: about her stance on Palestine as well as Medicare for all.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know anything about that? I've heard about
Speaker 1: the Medicare for all of heard what the fun is
Speaker 1: she saying about? Actually don't know. I don't think that
Speaker 1: she has a hard stance against Israel, And I think
Speaker 1: the point I don't. I don't know. Try imagining anyone
Speaker 1: having a hard stance against Ariel and running for president
Speaker 1: in the United States. But that's the thing. I think
Speaker 1: that seems like everyone is the same, Like no one.
Speaker 1: No one is is making that an issue for them.
Speaker 1: No one's trying to make themselves stand out. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people and people even have been
Speaker 1: deeming me being like, I'm concerned about your support of
Speaker 1: warrant because of her really, because of her stands and
Speaker 1: Palestine and and what what have they specified on what
Speaker 1: they're concerned about. She doesn't seem to have a lot
Speaker 1: of empathy towards Palestinians, then yeah, I would consider that
Speaker 1: an issue. And yeah, that's what I will say, And
Speaker 1: what I can say without being more certain better specific views,
Speaker 1: is that, like I'm sure she has more empathed with
Speaker 1: Palestine than Donald try. Yeah, that's where yeah, and all do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I guess that she was for Medicare for all
Speaker 1: and then seemed to take a step but now she's
Speaker 1: all in, seems, and she waffled on it. I think
Speaker 1: she mainly waffled on because it's just not one of
Speaker 1: the core issues that she's focused on. And I mean
Speaker 1: she literally said I'm with Bernie on this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so fine. I think we have to take word for them.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where like part of
Speaker 1: what you're voting for is not what the candidate espouses
Speaker 1: and what they believed all the career, but whether or
Speaker 1: not they are a sane person who could be pushed.
Speaker 1: You will not push a Republican to make It's like
Speaker 1: with climate change. Joe Biden, who I don't like if
Speaker 1: he is elected president, doesn't have a good policy and
Speaker 1: climate change right now, doesn't have a great history with
Speaker 1: climate change. But I do firmly believe could be pushed
Speaker 1: by a Democratic elector who cared about climate change to
Speaker 1: embrace effective policies to address it purely because he wants
Speaker 1: to win re election and because he's a political animal.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump will never do that. I believe that he
Speaker 1: could be pushed during this process. I believe that we
Speaker 1: could get him saying X, Y or Z, and I
Speaker 1: think he'd go along with a Democratic Senate and House.
Speaker 1: You might take any step on. That's why I don't
Speaker 1: think that's what we need. I mean, I think I'm
Speaker 1: preaching to the choir here, but I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: what we need. But just like if we're talking about
Speaker 1: should you vote for Biden if it's Biden or Trump, Yes,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like that has to be like
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing where it's like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of criticisms to lot against everybody on the stage,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of reasons to not like Biden.
Speaker 1: But if he was president right now, we would have
Speaker 1: a lot of the same problems we have, but children
Speaker 1: wouldn't have died in concentration camps. Yeah, and that's that's
Speaker 1: not nothing to me. That's not nothing. I'm also trans
Speaker 1: wouldn't be banned from serving the military. I'm mostly I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm mostly worried about post Biden and who they like,
Speaker 1: who the Republican candidate is after I hate the idea
Speaker 1: of the election. I think that the response to Joe
Speaker 1: Biden would be someone smarter than Donald Trump, who am
Speaker 1: still embodies the same kind of things, and that's totally
Speaker 1: super reasonable. I just think for how terrible these years
Speaker 1: have been with Donald Trump, the sort of positive that
Speaker 1: you can take away is that we everybody's riled up
Speaker 1: in a way and paying attention in a way that
Speaker 1: we maybe never been before. And if any of these
Speaker 1: big broad changes that we we dream about happening are
Speaker 1: going to happen, they're going to happen now because everybody's engaged.
Speaker 1: And I just feel in my bones that getting Biden
Speaker 1: in there would be a huge step back from all
Speaker 1: It would bum me out in a way that I
Speaker 1: actually fear now long for him. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna make it. It seems like he's been bleeding support
Speaker 1: at a rate that makes me think it may not
Speaker 1: be sustainable. That said, again, as somebody like you know,
Speaker 1: you've got the part of me who's like trying to
Speaker 1: approach this as what I believe in a part this
Speaker 1: prender approach as a journalist, he has really fucking solid
Speaker 1: support among the black and Latino community. It's so interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with Hillary Clinton. Is what I
Speaker 1: argued with Bernie people a lot during the election, is
Speaker 1: just like, no, she objectively won a larger chunk of
Speaker 1: the non white Democratic vote than he did, by a
Speaker 1: substantial margin. And that's not because of the d n C.
Speaker 1: It's because she devoted a lot of time to campaigning
Speaker 1: in those areas, any of those communities, And you have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that. I'm curious how true that will be
Speaker 1: for Biden. I am curious how that especial. We're very
Speaker 1: early yet, um, and he's yeah, I think it's just
Speaker 1: been a lot of It's been a lot of name
Speaker 1: recognition and a lot of the like he was Obama's
Speaker 1: VP the Institution and just like the idea of Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: And then as time went on, more and more stuff
Speaker 1: came out about him that should have been talked about,
Speaker 1: maybe when he talked about trying to be vice president,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, And now that you have
Speaker 1: actual people on stage introducing those things, I just don't
Speaker 1: think he'll I don't think Yeah, that's my hope, that's
Speaker 1: my hope, because like, he did not do well tonight.
Speaker 1: I know he was not the standout. No, he looked
Speaker 1: he looked real bad tonight. Let's talk about gun control.
Speaker 1: We gotta talk about gun control. Both debates did. I
Speaker 1: didn't like what anybody had to say Um, which is
Speaker 1: usually the case when I hear Democrats talk about gun control.
Speaker 1: UM swallows the guy I like the least one of
Speaker 1: the issues I have with him, and I I want
Speaker 1: to make it clear to the listeners that as a
Speaker 1: guy who owns a shipload of guns, I've never voted
Speaker 1: on guns. I will never vote on guns. I do
Speaker 1: not make any of my voting decisions based on people's
Speaker 1: gun policies I make because like, if I were voting
Speaker 1: on that, then I would be throwing all of my
Speaker 1: gay and trans and non white friends under the bus.
Speaker 1: I would throw the climate under the bus. And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do that. That said, uh, when Swallow
Speaker 1: made the statement that like, I don't care about your
Speaker 1: handguns and your shotguns of gun crimes and murders are
Speaker 1: committed with handguns and shotguns. You look at all of
Speaker 1: the top guns that actually people in this country all handguns,
Speaker 1: he didn't care about them, he said, I'm not I
Speaker 1: have no issue to go. I have no issues with that.
Speaker 1: I want to go sized problem because I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say mass shooting center problem, but like really small chunk
Speaker 1: of gun crime, actually really small chunk, which doesn't mean
Speaker 1: we don't address it. But like the assault weapon focus
Speaker 1: is always because it's an easy way out. That's scary.
Speaker 1: They look, they look, they look scary, and and that's
Speaker 1: an easy talking point, Like, Okay, we can all agree that, yeah,
Speaker 1: no more handguns. No one wants to say. What the
Speaker 1: real issue is that that is really fucking attractable difficult.
Speaker 1: Is that there are a couple of simultaneous truths number one.
Speaker 1: One of the single most important laws of this country
Speaker 1: built into its nervous system, it's fucking spinal cord, is
Speaker 1: the right to bear arms. The vast majority of gun
Speaker 1: deaths in this country are suicides, and no restriction of firearms,
Speaker 1: save a total ban on gun ownership, we'll stop people
Speaker 1: from being able to kill themselves with guns. That's the
Speaker 1: single that's the issue that nobody talks about because there's
Speaker 1: no real way to address it. Mass shootings people do discuss,
Speaker 1: and I think they tend to get wrong, but like
Speaker 1: that's one of those things. And this is one of
Speaker 1: the issues again where I have with people like Swabow
Speaker 1: who talk about like gun buy backs, where it's like
Speaker 1: you realize there's a Constitution and there's the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: and there's like that, like that there's a body of law,
Speaker 1: and like what you are saying might not be legal,
Speaker 1: and in fact has been categorical bands on weapons after
Speaker 1: d C versus Heller, like r I'm constitutional, And again
Speaker 1: there are states with individual sault weapons bands, so you
Speaker 1: could argue, but those assault weapons bands, like California has
Speaker 1: assault weapons ban, and I was still able to own
Speaker 1: an our fifteen and a K forty seven because their
Speaker 1: Assault Weapons Band did not ban semi automatic weapons. They
Speaker 1: banned certain features on weapons which didn't actually make it.
Speaker 1: Because again, the most recent mass shooting we had in
Speaker 1: California where we had like twelve dead, was thousands of
Speaker 1: shootings we've done with a clock handgun. I think I
Speaker 1: really wish we had people talking about guns in the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party and how to effectively legislate them and restrict
Speaker 1: them that understood them. Um. And I also wish people
Speaker 1: understood the fact that Bodhadeer served in the military does
Speaker 1: not mean he knows a damn thing about guns. Some
Speaker 1: of the dumbest people about guns served in the military
Speaker 1: aspect soldier. Yeah. Yeah, uh that's my rantin Monopolize that
Speaker 1: that that's what was here for. Um. Yeah, this suicide
Speaker 1: thing is a real problem and concern, and uh, it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that is linked to so many
Speaker 1: other problems again and it kind of gets to what
Speaker 1: Mary Anne Williams was talking about, how do you, like,
Speaker 1: what are the things that are causing this? Um And
Speaker 1: you don't hear a lot of people even talking about,
Speaker 1: like when you talk about universal health care and medicare
Speaker 1: for all those things like mental health is important and
Speaker 1: like people don't Uh, A lot of people don't have
Speaker 1: anyone to talk to, and uh, if you give them
Speaker 1: that outlet helps with a lot of problem. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I have the idea of like, well, no, we
Speaker 1: if you give everyone the mental and physical care that
Speaker 1: they need, that a lot of these problems not immediately,
Speaker 1: but like over time time. You'll see. It's just like Switzerland,
Speaker 1: every adult pretty much has an assault rifle in their home.
Speaker 1: I did not know that, Yeah, because they're everyone who
Speaker 1: serves in the military, which is like most of the
Speaker 1: adult population. Maybe I'm getting an exact but a lot
Speaker 1: of people should I get and they take their weapons
Speaker 1: home with them and it's a G thirty six C,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty potent gun. Um. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: I had an editor at a website I wrote with
Speaker 1: who was Swiss, and when she got pregnant, Uh, she
Speaker 1: and her husband both got like six or seven months
Speaker 1: of maternity paternity leave, which is part of like the
Speaker 1: package that they get. Like, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other stuff at play as too.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to wonder like why they Swiss don't
Speaker 1: have mass shootings and we do. Um, because one thing
Speaker 1: that the right brings up a lot when they talk
Speaker 1: about gun controls, like look at Switzerland, they all have
Speaker 1: machine guns, and like they don't commit nearly as many
Speaker 1: crimes as US. It's got to be a separate issue.
Speaker 1: They're not entirely wrong. Um, it's wrong to blame every
Speaker 1: mass shooting on mental health because that unfairly stigmatized tonically
Speaker 1: old people. But it's also wrong they pretend that like
Speaker 1: the fact that most like therapy is something that has
Speaker 1: proven benefits for virtually everyone who engages in it, and
Speaker 1: the vast majority of Americans could not possibly afford to
Speaker 1: engage in a therapist, reject the concept of it, but
Speaker 1: also couldn't afford it even if they didn't. That's a problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a problem in a place where also, while you
Speaker 1: can't afford a therapist for the cost of four hours
Speaker 1: of therapy, US could buy an air fifteen. Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: that's an issue to me as a guy who you
Speaker 1: can get them as cheap as forner Bucks, very cheap. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like a month of therapy. Yea maybe, But none
Speaker 1: of our but none of our conversations about guns include this,
Speaker 1: No they don't, and that's what then when they do,
Speaker 1: it's sort of in a reductive way that like doesn't
Speaker 1: really yeah, well it's similar to mean, this is a transition,
Speaker 1: but all of our conversations about immigration rarely include talking
Speaker 1: about going into Latin America. Going into the being the debate,
Speaker 1: it was addressed like we kind of fucked up Latin
Speaker 1: America what with the wars we can unbelievable. I mean
Speaker 1: I was truly yeah, well I was really impressed by
Speaker 1: that especially it was especially impressive, like it was it
Speaker 1: did seem like the majority of people on the stage
Speaker 1: new and said that. Yeah, for all that, I and
Speaker 1: all of us, I'm sure will continue to shoot on
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party in frustration for the next year and
Speaker 1: a half. Kudos on both really focusing on trains people
Speaker 1: in how America sucked up Latin America. It really is
Speaker 1: a credit to the point even Biden was like, by
Speaker 1: the way, like we gave like millions of hundred millions
Speaker 1: of dollars and sucked right, yeah, and then they stopped
Speaker 1: it and like here like it started to reduce the
Speaker 1: number of people and then here we are maybe like guys,
Speaker 1: you remember like the Marshall Plan, like the single most
Speaker 1: effective thing that our government ever did, maybe in its
Speaker 1: whole history. Maybe that again. No, Germany and Japan don't
Speaker 1: seem like you're doing. How many they both reverted to
Speaker 1: fascism so many times since, constant to do it, so
Speaker 1: many built the country that famously still fascist statesman. I
Speaker 1: remember how Japan has continued to invade China for the
Speaker 1: last eighty years. We all remember, We all remember the
Speaker 1: things that happened in real life and not making incredible products.
Speaker 1: I love products and services and services speaking of what
Speaker 1: cheers And no we're not doing yeah um yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that was a great surprise. I was very surprised actually,
Speaker 1: Like cler last and the first night remind me of
Speaker 1: like you're a friend in high school, her mom that
Speaker 1: you never wanted to be stuck young with, but every
Speaker 1: now and then you get stuck with her and she
Speaker 1: actually says something, not a bad person that she makes
Speaker 1: it perfect, Like where you guys going tonight? Yeah? Wait,
Speaker 1: no club? Sorry, I was thinking of nonsense. The short
Speaker 1: brown clar is the one that eats with a comb
Speaker 1: and is mean to her Yeah, in a pinch, which
Speaker 1: is fine. She's resourceful. Gila Brand is the mom who,
Speaker 1: like you think that you wouldn't want to be alone
Speaker 1: with and like you kind of dread it, but then
Speaker 1: you do and she's like the cool mom. You smoked weed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a yeah. I'm not slandering her spreading rumors. All
Speaker 1: I'm saying if you walk up to Christine Gilabrand, she
Speaker 1: will give you weed. Um. Did like everyone take that
Speaker 1: to heart? Last night didn't have as many I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't don't remember them talking about that aspect of
Speaker 1: the immigration point. But I don't like that brought up
Speaker 1: the economic comperative of immigration, and that is another thing
Speaker 1: that I don't see people talking about enough. We're like
Speaker 1: freaking out about everything that's happened in the border, and
Speaker 1: nobody's really hammering down the point that we actually are
Speaker 1: in a situation where we need immigrants. We have a
Speaker 1: dearth in the service industry. What are old people going
Speaker 1: to do without them? I'm all of our companies my
Speaker 1: mom grew I grew up with My mom has is
Speaker 1: a caterer, had a catering company, and we relied and
Speaker 1: she had all sorts of different like Hispanic Hispanic immigrants
Speaker 1: that worked for her, and she paid them well and
Speaker 1: she gave them healthcare. And you know, and not that
Speaker 1: my mom was an amazing person, but they were part
Speaker 1: of it was imperative. Nobody else would take that job.
Speaker 1: Is amazing person. She is an amazing person. Nobody we
Speaker 1: we needed them, she needed them, and they were better
Speaker 1: than everybody else. Yeah. Yeah, it's um one of the
Speaker 1: things that eternally frustrates me. And then I frustrated me
Speaker 1: with Bernie Sanders, who was a guy who I know
Speaker 1: on an emotional personal note, when the rest of my
Speaker 1: family went for Trump and broke my heart in one
Speaker 1: of the people who raised me, my aunt, who is
Speaker 1: a lifelong Republican, voted for Bernie Sanders, and the fact
Speaker 1: that because she was like I think he's the only
Speaker 1: honest man in the election, and he will always have
Speaker 1: a piece of my heart for that. I am eternally
Speaker 1: frustrated with his insistence that borders are important, and I know,
Speaker 1: I know, this is a ridiculous hope. I will never
Speaker 1: have a party in either side of this country, left
Speaker 1: or right, who feels the way I do about borders,
Speaker 1: which is that they are a cancer destroying our entire species,
Speaker 1: and that until we get past the concept we have
Speaker 1: no hope of long term survival. That's just me being
Speaker 1: a wild eyed radical. But I wish Bernie Sanders had
Speaker 1: said funck all Borders thrown a smoke bomb and skateboarder
Speaker 1: out of the that would have been sick. Skateboard punched
Speaker 1: him right out the door the debate. Yeah, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: insulted him in Spanish or something. Yeah, I called him
Speaker 1: a fucking put Yeah. Who do you think is going
Speaker 1: to make it to the next round? Do? How do
Speaker 1: we eliminate people? Do we know? I think it Isn't
Speaker 1: it just like about the amount of PA pularity that's
Speaker 1: pulling and stuff? Right? Yeah, it seems like that would
Speaker 1: be the only same way to do it. All I
Speaker 1: want to see I want to see I guess Warren, Bernie,
Speaker 1: But I do want to bring up one other thing.
Speaker 1: Get frustrated the funk out of me one person Unless
Speaker 1: I'm missing my guests on the first debate because I
Speaker 1: missed a little chunk of it because I was in
Speaker 1: trance all was listening. I think one person in both
Speaker 1: debates brought up white supremacy and it was fucking Joe Biden. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's disappointing. That's disappointing. I mean, good on you, Joe,
Speaker 1: Like we're not we're not trying to be like one
Speaker 1: of those fucking nothing but nihilistic podcasts here. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give people credit where it's due. He brought it up,
Speaker 1: He brought it on. Everyone should have because of all
Speaker 1: the dead people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's You're right that
Speaker 1: there's an alarming lack of that. So he gets credit
Speaker 1: for that in my book. For that, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's any kind of plan. It's a plan. I also
Speaker 1: don't think he's really careble of talking about it in
Speaker 1: a way where he really understands it. It really and
Speaker 1: like I think it's kind of the negative of that
Speaker 1: when like his first question, I forget even what the
Speaker 1: question was, but like one of the first words that
Speaker 1: came out of his mouth with Donald Trump, and it
Speaker 1: seems like that's just the literal. His whole thing is
Speaker 1: just like, oh, the Charlottesville and Donald Trump and it's
Speaker 1: bad in the soil of over country. But like he
Speaker 1: doesn't really know where it's coming from or like why
Speaker 1: or he brought it. He had Charlotte'sville and a couple
Speaker 1: of my friends were in the ad that he put
Speaker 1: up first. I saw that. Yeah, Like I will say,
Speaker 1: also in credit to her, she didn't bring it up
Speaker 1: in the debates, and she should have. But Elizabeth Warren
Speaker 1: has suggested plans and made it a focus of her campaign.
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeah, she's talked about that,
Speaker 1: like white supremacy needs to be probably need to start
Speaker 1: prosecuting these people's domestic terrorists, which we're not currently doing.
Speaker 1: I think she should have said. That's my big bummer
Speaker 1: about Elizabeth warrenh how do you not do that? It's
Speaker 1: a fucking debate, Elizabeth talk about it. Well, they don't
Speaker 1: have very much time, but that's kind of a big one.
Speaker 1: I do agree that's disappointed she didn't bring it up.
Speaker 1: But Joe Biden thing seems like it's kind of lip
Speaker 1: surface and like it's like, oh, I know that people
Speaker 1: care about this, and it's like a hot button emotional
Speaker 1: topic that can bring up, as opposed to knowing where
Speaker 1: it comes from and what to feel about it and
Speaker 1: call it lip service. If he wasn't the only fucking
Speaker 1: person images because no one else said anything, So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he brought it up. Anything that I'd like to keep
Speaker 1: an eye out for the next one. Are there other
Speaker 1: things that you guys want to see people talking about
Speaker 1: in the next debates? You know, the most frustrating moment
Speaker 1: for me was when they got asked what they would
Speaker 1: do if they could deal with one problem, and like
Speaker 1: two people brought up climate change, and like someone brought
Speaker 1: up like guns, and someone brought up about like like
Speaker 1: income for families and stuff, and it's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: both both gun control and improving family income are important,
Speaker 1: but like you know, the planets burning up, like no
Speaker 1: other answer. But the most important thing is to stop
Speaker 1: the environment from collapsing. Nothing else is that important. It's
Speaker 1: the literally the thing that I need. Yea, I will
Speaker 1: not vote for you unless you've got anoledgs just better
Speaker 1: and warrant. I think who said climate change? That was
Speaker 1: the first debate the second once people said it, I
Speaker 1: don't even picking Looper and whoever else. I do not
Speaker 1: like the answer, Like, well, the first thing I do
Speaker 1: is to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean at least that's acknowledging climate change. We need
Speaker 1: much more than Gilibrand was the only one with a
Speaker 1: really good answer on like that. Yeah, So speaking of
Speaker 1: what people want to see, one of the things we're
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Speaker 1: I mean you want to because I've just been ranting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of this stuff. I think
Speaker 1: one of one of the things I think we all
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Speaker 1: of our our debate. I think so. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: real fun. It's been real fun. Actually it has been.
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed. This has been great. It's more than the debates. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is the best part. I want to ask one
Speaker 1: quick question. Were moving on to the next thing. Do
Speaker 1: y'all think Joe Biden is a better kisser than Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders Because I feel like Joe has the pass. I
Speaker 1: think he might be I think he might be a
Speaker 1: good kisser depends on how wanted the kisses. Now, that's
Speaker 1: an important point we're talking about, because Bernie does double
Speaker 1: consent checks, signs a contracts on board. I don't know
Speaker 1: that Bernie's that interested. I mean, I think he's just
Speaker 1: got a lot going on. I'm assuming Bernie's down, like
Speaker 1: maybe we have some sort of pheromone spray so we
Speaker 1: know that the interest is there. No, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: being kissed by Bernie. You can't imagine being kissed by
Speaker 1: Bernie or either of them, really, But I think that
Speaker 1: I think that Joe Biden cares about making sure his
Speaker 1: kisses are good. I don't know. I do think Joe
Speaker 1: Biden cares about that. I will say I can imagine
Speaker 1: being on a beach and in Sonata and like sort
Speaker 1: of the wind blowing through my hair and like a
Speaker 1: little bit of sand in between my toad selling it
Speaker 1: sipping a No, I'm talking about Bernie sipping a little
Speaker 1: bit of like a nice like mescal, and Bernie Sanders
Speaker 1: puts his hand on my shoulders and leans into me
Speaker 1: and whispers into my ear. But I care for all
Speaker 1: unachievable dream and works and most of the developed world
Speaker 1: and that's the thing. Whereas like I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: Bernie can sweet Talkie, Bernie can, Bernie can get to
Speaker 1: your soul, Bernie can get to your emotions. Bernie cares
Speaker 1: about sweet talk. Sure, I don't think. I think it
Speaker 1: depends on like who you are, you know, you know, idealistic,
Speaker 1: strong in their convictions, socialist. Is you think I think
Speaker 1: he can get you going? I just don't think he's
Speaker 1: like a sexual being. But I think that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: probably has spent a lot of time. Yeah, um, and
Speaker 1: I think that we know that. I also think he
Speaker 1: probably would get a really good shoulder Rep. I will
Speaker 1: say one thing that would make almost make Biden being
Speaker 1: the Democratic candidate worth it, as if the competing hats
Speaker 1: of were make America great Again and just Biden Fox
Speaker 1: just we can make those shirts, but our shirts. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if it we're literally anybody Budda, Judge, Fox, they all,
Speaker 1: if they all, we all fuck. Except for Beto. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna believe it does not fuck. Hes not he
Speaker 1: doesn't know what He just doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: He's all he's all thumbs, you know, he's just he's
Speaker 1: just like ranting single words in Spanish like a white
Speaker 1: boy trying to like shop in Guatemala. Do a kick flip? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope he's gone by the next one. He's such
Speaker 1: a dork. Yeah, Okay, that's it for tonight. Um, we
Speaker 1: love you very much. It's true. We do, we do.