WEBVTT - Bonus Ep: Debate Review w/ Katy and Cody 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:06.280 What's debating my almost certainly hopeless opponents of a fascist monster. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.200 I'm Robert Evans. This is normally Behind the Bastards, the 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:10.879 podcast where we talk about the worst people in all 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.600 of history. But we're doing nothing like that today. Today, 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:18.120 as prep for the election podcast that Cody Johnston, Katie 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.480 Stole and I will be launching in the worst year ever, 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.840 we are doing an episode covering the Democratic debates, which 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.800 could not be further from the premise of my show 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.560 because none of the people involved in the debates, regardless 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.520 of my issues with them, individually, qualify as true bastards. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.760 But it's an hour or so of free contents, like 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.280 what are you gonna do? You whine at me? Already 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.080 gave you two episodes about bastards this week, Like this 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.840 is just deal with it. He can't hear you, Yeah, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.280 I can't hear you. Like complain more, but please please 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.400 do listen to the podcast. I love all of you. Yeah, 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.040 where we just thought we would get the ball rolling 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.600 on our eventual show. Yeah, we're trying to figure out 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.800 exactly what it's going to be so that we we 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.520 aren't just throwing another nonsense political podcast into a crowded 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.920 field of misery that makes everyone hate themselves. So like 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:15.280 the candidates, like the candidates, and debates themselves. So this 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.479 is a little bit of a refining process. It's kind 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.200 of like, if you're shooting missiles at the Moon, you're 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.880 gonna hit Mars a couple of times. It's just hard. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.479 It's hard to hit the moon with a missiles. Kind 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.240 of get a few bedos up there, so you know, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.280 this missile might hit Jupiter, we might hit Europe U, 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.759 we might hit the Sun, we might hit Manhattan. Either way, 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.640 the next missile we fire will be closer to the moon. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.840 I don't know why I'm comparing this tow missiles, Jupiter 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:45.840 or Manhattan. Yep, okay, classic one to those are the options. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.760 Ye hey, everybody, one way or the other. You heard 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.480 either Katie and Cody's intro or my intro. And now 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:56.760 with the actual podcast is starting, and I arrogantly grabbed 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.720 leading everyone in stole it from you both disgusting. It 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.320 is I'm a monster, absolutely not um this is this 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.520 is gonna be fun for everybody's listening who might be 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.160 confused that listens to both we're sitting here or recording 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.400 two different intros for the episode. Um, it'll cut together. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.760 You know we're here, we're in it, We're with you now, 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.880 all right, we'll talk about the debates. Guys, who I 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.200 want to know? First off? Who surprised you? Who were 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.720 you discounting? And then you came into it and you're like, wow, man, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:30.360 if anybody that person was interesting. I mean, I'm gonna 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.000 be honest, Looper, I know Castro's name was not at 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.480 all in my mind. I wasn't even really aware that 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.639 he was running, and he performed very well, really did 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.640 for debate too. I would say the person who surprised 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.400 me who was not? I mean I knew she was running, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.440 but she was not on my radar. I think Gillibrando 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.000 a lot better than I expected. She absolutely, um she 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.360 didn't earn my vote, but she did better than I expected. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.320 I was completely blown away that Marian Williamson was even 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.880 on the stage. I don't know how that over my 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:03.120 She got a few you really like, oh that's actually true. Yeah, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.680 like you don't you shouldn't really be here, but what 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.440 you're saying is true. You're not wrong. Yeah, it's like 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.680 what are you doing here? And I would almost like 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.000 it if in the future. For debates, we had the 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.600 candidates and then like one person who was popular in 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.960 America and who just came on to like drive home 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.200 an issue like Okay, yeah, everybody, but like the ice 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.800 caps are melting in the world's dying, like maybe addressed 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.079 bring it back because the moderators definitely are going to 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.919 do that, not Chuck Todd for sure. Um so yeah, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.840 having someone be the actual voices. Like but like, here's 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 what we're really talking about. One thing we've learned as 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.240 a species is that, regardless of our ability to put 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.840 human beings on other planets to create electric cars, we 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.560 have not invented a human being who is capable of 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.680 moderating a political thing has never happened. We need roots. Yeah, 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:57.080 robots maybe or or Herzog could do that. Jo you 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.880 would do that silently, like he could come to that. Yeah, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.560 just like his presidents would would do that. One thing 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.040 it would help probably is fewer candidates and more hours, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.440 but we can we can talk about that. Would you 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.920 have preferred five candidates a night for four nights? I 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.360 would have been fine with that more than what is 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:20.280 currently there. I would have preferred even then, like ten 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.640 candidates for four hours or like even longer. Um, Like 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.000 I have no problem with a longer debate, Like that's 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.960 why we're here. Uh, we have literally twenty four hour 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.160 news channels and people are like engaged in that kind 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.600 of thing, and we want to know that, oh, whoever 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.520 is going to be can like stand on a stage 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.000 for six hours and talk about the issues. And we 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.560 live in a world where people routinely will spend a 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.599 dozen hours in a weekend been watching television just to 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.839 chill out. Like I feel like we can devote ten 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.760 hours to debates about the future of our species. You 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.040 think it seems reasonable. It seems like it's difficult because 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.920 watching these yeah, you don't really get a clear sense 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.480 of people. These are the most important so they say, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.839 the most important people in the world right now, right 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.039 and and like we're not getting that many opportunities to 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.760 get to know them outside of Twitter, outside of the 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.520 headlines that we see, the random clips that are passed around, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.359 and you don't really have the time to hear anything, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.599 like it's a quick SoundBite thirty seconds. Yeah, I think 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.320 in general kind of like I don't think it's exaggerating necessarily. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.200 I think it's kind of shameful what they have done, like, uh, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.680 the idea, like that's fair. Yeah, I didn't want to 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.680 oversell it, but I do. It's a shameful thing that 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.360 the media is allowed to happen. It's just it shows 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.120 that they didn't learn anything from but if they did, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.640 they learned the wrong thing. It wasn't even just ten 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.000 candidates over two hours. It was ten candids over two 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.520 hours with five moderators and like a bunch of commercial breaks. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.240 The whole thing is it's like, well, there weren't that 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.599 many commercial breaks, but yeah, there shouldn't have been any, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.359 Like there's moderator switches. It's not that long if it 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.320 was a six hour to be like yeah, yes, one 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.320 hour and we don't like three people for one hour, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.039 two people for the next hour. Is really is that 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.280 just because everybody wanted to be involved or all that 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.280 because they're from different networks? I guess yeah, it must 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.839 have been some, isn't it. No, Yeah, I don't know 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.760 either way. It was unnecessary and like no one like 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.240 no one that position isn't like oh they got like 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.479 the best question, Like I will say that I thought, 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.680 especially on night once Evanna Guthrie did a good job 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.000 of she could have done the whole thing, I know exactly, 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.159 and I like, I'm one of the people that like 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.840 Rachel Matto not obsessively. She's fine. She's fine. I mean, 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.880 I think that she's entertaining. She made some bad mistakes. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.039 Are the Muller report this, I completely agree, and I 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.720 don't watch her show nearly as much as I used to, 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.839 but I think that she is good at breaking down 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.520 stuff and she's really good on her feet. Anyway, this 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.880 isn't about Rachel Maddow and I like her fine, but 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.400 could have just stuck with Savannah Guth, especially following up 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.320 really aggressively and keeping people on points, saying like, you 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.720 don't answer the questions. You expect a single human being 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.120 to function for four hours in a week. That's good 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.320 points impossible. No one cut it up, cut it up, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.280 get more people up there, Oh I do. I did 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.600 want to mention this because this is what you asked 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.000 at the very beginning. I think Corey Booker also surprised me, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.480 and I didn't. I wanted to give him credit where 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.200 it's due because I've I think he's corny as hell 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:38.000 all the time. I know, I avoided saying that but yes, 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:43.920 I agree with you completely. He's super corny and I 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.720 don't think he comes off it's very authentic. Um, But 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.080 I thought he did a really good job surprisingly so 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.480 all right, And I guess the limited time I wanted 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.880 more time to see what he had to say, I 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:00.880 mean everybody, because but like we were talking about, like 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.360 the idea that he even brought up, like African Americans 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.080 trans women in America are the idea that like he 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.880 that he in his very limited amount of time, an 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:12.920 issue that will not gain him a single vote because 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.080 there's very few trans first off, not like not just 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.480 said that African American trans women are being murdered at 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.320 a night Mary straight. But first I've introduced that, like 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.360 transgender people in general are victims of violent crimes at 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.840 huge rates. Women specified that and this is particularly a 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.720 problem within the black transgender community. The fact that he 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.280 took that time is a and I don't like the guy, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.640 but it is a very significant credit to his first 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.320 and give him a lot of credit. I was kind 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.600 of I was surprised and kind of blown away and 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.680 that he brought it up, and also like it's because 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.520 it's no one's ever going to bring that up. I 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.720 don't know if it's just me being cynical when I 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.120 see him do that, because I have this idea of 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:51.960 him and I know that he's a politician, and I 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.680 have fears and authentic I immediately go to, are you 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.960 just saying that? But I don't. I don't want to 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.800 operate like that. And I do agree. I really appreciated it, 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.880 and I think it's important to us to say this 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.200 and like start saying on the debate stage that people 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.640 start getting used to this being an issue that we discuss. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.400 I hate the Democratic Party almost like much as I 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.320 hate the Republican Party for very different reasons. But it 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.840 is a credit to the Democratic Party that the issue 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.800 of violence against trans people came up more than once 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.200 in this debate, and in spite like it is not 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.800 it's not a vote getter. It's an issue they could 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.480 ignore and not lose a vote. And the fact that 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.400 it has been made and not insignificant part of at 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.440 least one of the debates is a real credit to 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.280 the party. And I'll say that that matters a lot 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.440 to me. Yeah, I wanted to say that because, yeah, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.280 well we're talking about this. William Castro was the first 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.960 one to bring on trans women and talking about healthcare 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.240 and how it's necessary for us to include them when 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.240 we're talking about women's reproductive rights, and I clapped. I 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.839 was sitting. It's so rare to see anything that even 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.520 vaguely resembles at a distance. If squint and take mushrooms, 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.080 courage and politics today, and that's I would. I would. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.079 I would call standing up for trans people from a 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.640 mainstream politician courage. And it shouldn't be and it's horrible 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.760 that it is, but it is, and we're thrilled to 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.320 see those steps being taken. I think it's important. Even 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.040 though this was kind of a cluster fuck. We can 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.040 say that on here because it's a podcast. Um let's 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:28.200 call it cluster pp, cluster pep. This was this was 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.840 a bit of a cluster PP. I do feel good 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:32.920 about a lot of this stuff that we've talked about. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.200 I do feel like even the candidates that I'm not 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.480 thrilled about people throwing out stuff. Especially on Night one. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.480 I liked seeing Lean Castro standing up there saying I'd 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.440 like to see everybody else on the stage, the other candidates, 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.000 and you know, and that happened a couple of times. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.640 In different in different capacities, and we saw it happening. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.280 And that is the beautiful thing about this part of 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.079 the process, seeing where we land on certain issues. I 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.439 would like more in longer debates, they all radicalize each other. 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.240 And Joe Biden is wearing like a chairman mouse shirt 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:09.079 and shouting about taking the factories back, and that's well, 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.240 that's like, I'm not not but I would enjoy that 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.120 from a a fewer perspective. And then we saw a 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.480 little bit of that and it was really cool. And 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.360 I think that we've talked about leading up to this 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.960 that like like the winner of the Democratic debates is like, well, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:25.440 what is the platform end up being? What are the 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.800 issues and plans of people gravitate tours? And if you 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.880 have ten people for two hours and five moderators, it's 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.280 really hard to get to that point. And it's actually 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.120 kind of amazing that there were a few moments like that, yeah, 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.920 you have four hours, you have you are able to 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.160 say you get two minutes to talk about this, and 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.080 if someone is like raising their hand, you can actually 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:51.000 say okay, actually have a conversation instead of like really 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:52.760 forcing it and trying to get the sound bites in 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.760 and so on. For the purpose of intellectual masturbation, I 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.520 would like to talk about how we'd like to see 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.360 this happen, and for my own self, what I would 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.480 enjoy saying of the same twenty candidates. If I was 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.760 picking the rules, I would want five of them to 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.680 get two hours each four nights in one week, and 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.080 then six weeks later you look at who they are 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.040 and you pick the top ten, and then you have 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.640 a four hour debate with the top ten. And four 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.760 hours is a long time. People might say that's unreasonable. Like, 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.600 one of the things you vote for and you should 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.079 be voting for in a president is their stamina, their 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.560 ability to function and focus for four hours of a 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.480 hard core debate. That's important because we currently have a president. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.760 You can't do that. Yeah, And like I think a 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.440 lot of people that were in the debate tonight and 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.160 last night couldn't do that. Yeah. I mean, how many 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.360 lines can beato say in Spanish and English? Just one 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.480 based on the most time to talk about that? Did 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.200 everybody gasp? Everybody gasped, And that was the most likable 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:52.720 Corey Booker has ever been when he gave him that. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:13:00.319 That was perfect. Yeah, that looks that look had even 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.880 more because we knew he was going to do it. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.080 I think they all did it more reasonably that he 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.720 did it an issue where it was like, no, you're 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.400 just repeating your point in Spanish for no reason, and 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.559 that's weird. Yeah, brought it out really early on, and 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.640 really it was like the thing I'm going to do, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.360 and it did have nothing and he and he made 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.320 sure to be the first person to speak Spanish on 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.720 the floor with Latino Canada, which is the part that 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.640 was painful. Come on, man, it's not going to disagree 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:37.160 with the great wonderful, but obviously this whole debate isn't 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.320 in Spanish. You're doing something wondering and out of the 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.760 gate the white man that stands on tables that everybody 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.520 rolls their eyes at, how little self awareness does he? 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.079 If it had been if the question the first question, 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:51.480 if it had still been the first question, but it 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.120 had been like about immigration reform or about something directly 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.120 tied to that, as opposed to just like I'm going 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.080 to answer a question and I'm gonna do it again 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.440 in Spanish, and like what do you beto? Right? He 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.320 didn't really answer the question. Yeah, I mean I don't know. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.679 He did not answer the question in either language at 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.480 a time. He's also just super fun. I'm not a 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:15.040 fan of Beto Rouric. He didn't win me over here. Yeah, 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.600 I don't care for him, but yeah, Julian Castro really 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.720 did um and I had zero expectations for him. Yeah, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.960 I was not aware he was really running. Be entirely honest, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:31.000 at the risk of credifying myself the people, I absolutely 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.320 still cannot. I didn't even know the Oprah book Lady 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.240 was going to be there, right, that was a surprise. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.560 Every once in a while, they would towards the end 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.040 of the debate they'd go to somebody and like, wait, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.480 have they gone to this guy yet? I'm always surprised 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.960 that John hicken Looper exists, that he looks nothing like 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.800 I imagine. It's really funny too, because it's like there 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.480 were like four hicken Loopers tonight, and there were four 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.680 hicken Loopers last night. Like it's just it's not but 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.840 it's not even like white Man. It's just like a 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.840 very specific type type of guy. It's it's a guy 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.000 that you wind up in line behind at the co 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.400 op buying a lot of organic so like all of 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.680 them are that guy. And I have tweeted about this 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.640 and talked about this before, and some people are like, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.440 that's racist when I say specifically this type of white man. 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.280 And I'm only doing that because I'm describing literally who 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.480 it is if it was a white man, like a 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.920 Bernie who is something a different kind And I'm not 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.640 a Bernie person, but per se, but like, you know, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.000 something unique, something different. But these guys are very hard 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.080 to differentiate between in these thirty second increments, in these 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.720 little snippets that we get, and they're not bringing something new, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.560 and every every time a new person knew one of 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.600 them through their hat in the ring, it just frustrated 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.480 me a little bit because we've got all these unique 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.320 candidates that are really exciting. Well that's the other thing, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.520 because I think that they're not They're not necessarily like 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.440 it's not like they're all the same, but like, when 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.400 you have such a limit of time, it is hard 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.200 to differentiate them. And there were a few moments, uh 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.440 the last night and maybe a couple tonight, we're like, oh, yeah, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.880 that guy's right, Yeah, that's a good point that that 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.040 guy made. Wow, who the funk is he? Yeah? Where 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.520 did he go? Well, never see him him again. Now 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.360 he's gone, right, But if you had like more time 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.640 and time to breathe come back to that guy. And 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.160 now I now actually know who he is and what 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.360 he stands for, and how he how he's different from 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.720 all the other people on the stage. Not just that 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.720 was a good sentence I heard from somebody. If number 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.760 one news networks were not entirely a for profit endeavor 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.320 existed for the call me a crazy fucking communist here 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:34.560 betterment of society rather than sheer oald or value. Uh. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.240 And if also the Democratic Party was more competent, having 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.880 twenty candidates at this point, that it could be real strength, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.520 could be a great chance for adversity, is for real debate, 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.480 for inability for people to have a real choice and 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.400 to hear a lot of issues and have issues that 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.320 wouldn't otherwise get pressed in in a campaign be pushed 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.840 in just based on necessity. Um, I could see that 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.440 being a real strength. It's not the way they focused 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.320 it instead, it just it just hurts the entire cause 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.520 of sanity. And that's frustrating to me. Right, And they're 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.040 just like all the like, all right, we're gonna do 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.280 a real quick down the line and then they do 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.080 the one one word answers or five word answers ever, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.520 and it's like, you're just it's just this onslaught of 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.280 yeah information, you can and nearly answers the question. The 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.800 question I will say and say they were like one 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.760 one part. I think it was just hicken Looper who 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.200 was just like climate change. There were a few people 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.520 who was like, okay, John, like you got me there. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.360 It's so interesting because that stands out, whereas people that say, well, 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.120 go run off and start listening, shoving as many words 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.480 as they can into that ten seconds. But the people 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.040 that are concise and answered I did stand out in 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.399 those moments. Um. Yeah, I hated everyone's answer to the 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.520 question who is the biggest threat to America? Because in 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.320 a sane debate, my opinion is there's one answer, and 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.240 it's oh, the biggest threat to America is Americans. It 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.440 will always be, it has always been, and there's no 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.640 one else that comes close. Run for president. Yeah, sure, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:01.520 I will. I agree. It's frustrating the just these media 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.240 twerps Chuck Todd, bothers, hello me and he has forever 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.600 and he didn't change my mind. He's not good. He 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.359 didn't win me over. I'm not gonna job. Quick question, Cody, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:12.960 how many times do you think you could buy and 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:17.679 sell you? Oh? As many as I could. I could start, 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.959 I could start counting now, and by the time this 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.280 episode is done, that number would be less than the actual. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.439 The best thing about capitalism is is the meritocracy. I believe. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.119 I believe that. I believe in that, and I believe 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.120 that you think that too, big fan of the meritocracy, 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.720 which is really a thing that happens. Chuck Todd deserves everything. Um, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:41.040 he has good, his job, fantastic, a real real smart cookie. Uh. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.480 The first time the last night at the going down 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.119 the line, like what do you think about that? And 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:50.359 then they do their their quick answers. He's like, ah, 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.320 this is my favorite part. This is the good part, 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.840 you know, the part where you really get into it. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.919 What Chuck fuck? I will say the best part of 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.840 these two debates, and I can't imagine even another competitor 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.760 is Kamala Harris, who I don't like because she's a cop. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:11.800 Really fucking grilling Biden about that awesome. That was fucking great. Yeah, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.239 that moment of night too for sure for me, was 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.879 that and emotional about it. You could tell she was 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.920 damn near at tears when she finished, or fighting for composure, 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.840 tell like it really affected her and she really meant it. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.600 At the same time, like she was going to do 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.840 that no matter what, like she was planning on, like 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.000 we're gonna talk about this on stage, and that's what 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:34.440 we've been talking about for a long time. Like I 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.240 can't wait for Joe Biden to be next to people 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.119 who actually talked to him about this stuff. I was, 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.720 I mean, Bernie didn't really go after Joe Biden, and 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.720 we were expecting that, but I'm thrilled. Yeah, it was 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.840 so good. And again this is one of those things 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.200 like there he did not look her in the eye. 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.960 He did, man, he gave her, He gave her a glance, 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:55.560 and then he looked away. He could he could not 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.000 do it. He got mad. Yeah, you know, as a journalist, 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.320 your goal is to try to be to look at 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.440 things from an objective point of view. As a podcast, 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:06.119 your your goal is not that. And I find myself 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.400 time between the two and I feel like I feel 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.360 like I need to emphasize I very much dislike Kamala 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.120 Harris I just and I do not like the idea 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.600 of voting for a prosecutor. I think her job, the 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.399 job that she did for years is fundamentally and evil 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:25.760 to the world. She fucking nailed that. That was perfect, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.840 And I completely agree with you. I those are all 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.159 of my reservations against Kamala. And when I talk to 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.320 people about it, you know, some people don't like that. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:40.320