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Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks from Europe, specifically door No Robock and

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Speaker 1: I come into you from Italy April sprits in hand

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Speaker 1: and in this episode, what to do when vacation styles clash.

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Speaker 1: Also the value of alone time, plus the latest travel

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Speaker 1: trend we are seeing everywhere and we might still need

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Speaker 1: somebody to explain to us. And also a question to

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Speaker 1: help everybody out there understand how much you truly like

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Speaker 1: your partner. And with that, Robock, will you please set

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Speaker 1: the scene here for everybody that's listening. They might hear

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Speaker 1: a little background noise, but hopefully it's a bird chirping

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Speaker 1: or a church rail going off.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. So this is the first time I've

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Speaker 2: ever done this. I was inspired by my daughters who've

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Speaker 2: been traveling on a dime throughout Europe. They've been very

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Speaker 2: fortunate to just have some time in between studies and

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Speaker 2: they are all about airbnb and verbos no hotels, So

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Speaker 2: you get a feeling of like you're a part of

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Speaker 2: the community. You're like in the middle of a city,

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Speaker 2: but it's like you have an apartment versus a hotel,

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Speaker 2: and it's a lot cheaper. And so we've done that

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Speaker 2: for the first time, and we have a nice balcony

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Speaker 2: and we have six. There are a lot of balconies.

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Speaker 2: They're very small, like some of them are just like

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Speaker 2: for two people to barely walk outside. But yes, I

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Speaker 2: think officially there are six, but we have like the

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Speaker 2: sights and the sounds and the heat of Rome right

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Speaker 2: now is crazy.

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Speaker 1: We swapped one heat wave for another.

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Speaker 2: It's yes. I can't believe that there are two heat

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Speaker 2: waves going on where we were and where we are,

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Speaker 2: but that is happening. It was one hundred degrees in

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Speaker 2: Rome but today, but the humidity is half of what

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Speaker 2: it is in New York. So I'm good, like I

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Speaker 2: feel good and you hilariously, so everyone else is like

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Speaker 2: they have umbrellas and hats. TJ walks out into the

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Speaker 2: blazing sun. He's like that feels good? Like what that

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Speaker 2: the shade feels good? You love this heat? I love it.

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Speaker 1: I have so much space to walk on these days

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Speaker 1: because everybody's trying to crowd into the shaded areas of

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Speaker 2: You're like, this feels and yes, and most people don't

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Speaker 2: look like you here, so you are an anomal that

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Speaker 2: most people don't have your skin color here we've noticed there, Yes,

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Speaker 2: so that was of distinction on our way here. I've

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Speaker 2: been to Italy a couple of times before, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think I had noticed how white it is here?

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Speaker 1: Are you noticing?

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Speaker 2: You pointed it out?

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Speaker 1: I didn't point out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just said, like, we don't really come to Italy.

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Speaker 2: I was like, wait what? And then now that you've

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Speaker 2: mentioned it, you guess it's confirmed. It's not a destination

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Speaker 2: for a lot of I don't know, people of a

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Speaker 2: certain color. I don't know why, what's up? Why why

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Speaker 2: not Italy? Why was that not on your list?

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Speaker 1: It just wasn't on my list. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of places I would probably prefer to go before coming

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Speaker 1: It's just not it would be way way. It would

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Speaker 1: be a long time before I got to it. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of places before, before Rome, before Italy, and

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Speaker 1: places gorgeous. The history here is, I mean, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just astonishing to see what Rome with Italy.

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Speaker 1: It's what this country is. I mean, we are we

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Speaker 1: celebrate what we're going to be two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: So why did you come?

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Speaker 1: Because you wanted to come here and you weren't wouldn't

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Speaker 1: stop hooting and hollering about it. So here we are.

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Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think of the country,

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Speaker 2: the Roman Empire and what it was and what it's

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Speaker 2: I don't know the.

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Speaker 2: Gave you a wide, wide runway. You can say whatever

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Speaker 1: It's it's hot, the pasta is good. That's all I got.

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Speaker 1: This is why I'm staying in the moment, and that's

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Speaker 2: I have also felt like, I know we all get

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think up until this past year,

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Speaker 2: get to a place where, yes, you'll still have those moments,

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Speaker 2: so we've seen a lot of those families around it

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Speaker 2: hasn't been lost on me how lucky we are to

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Speaker 2: just be here together knowing our kids are good because

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Speaker 2: Sabine went away to summer camp, so she is safely

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Speaker 2: and so we actually get the opportunity to be alone,

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Speaker 2: which is I think a huge, huge thing that I

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Speaker 2: I definitely have, but like, it's awesome to be able

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Speaker 1: Uh. And we say that after we took two Zoom

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Speaker 1: But but yes, to your point, this is this isn't

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Speaker 1: I but this is so much time together. I wonder

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Speaker 1: think about the person they're with and they want more

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Speaker 1: more of this kind of time, because it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: You and I have been together twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: since what well' suppose the past several days at least

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Speaker 1: four or five were together a lot, but you get

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We have not been able to be

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Speaker 2: I have not been able to be I love the

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Speaker 2: way you pointed out.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get away from you. I could not.

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Speaker 2: You're stuck with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I am. There's nowhere else I would rather be.

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Speaker 1: And the thing I said, the question I would. We

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Speaker 1: stuff together. If you're in a relationship, ask yourself, think

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Speaker 1: And now think who is the person you prefer to

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Speaker 1: it's just who When I think about that, and it

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Speaker 1: the final four, if it's going I still I can

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Speaker 2: I think that's what's been so cool for me about

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Speaker 2: all of this, Like I get it, like we've been

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Speaker 2: I think that has been a a part of my journey.

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Speaker 2: But it has been so interesting because yeah, like I

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Speaker 2: to fill those different moments, and that's great, Like that's

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Speaker 2: all a part of whatever you choose. But for the

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Speaker 2: So yeah, to be able to just be with you,

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Speaker 1: And you made a face and I was almost going

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Speaker 1: Now folks didn't see it, but it's almost like you

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Speaker 1: it seems gross to say out loves especially me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would rather you name the sport, you name the event,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's like, that's a crazy new, amazing thing.

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Speaker 2: But I think when I look back at our friendship,

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Speaker 2: this has been really cool to just like our girls

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Speaker 2: all happy and entertained and figuring out life and like

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Speaker 1: It sucks and really hard. It really sucks because as

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Speaker 1: can send care packages, but but to your and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if a lot of other people do this.

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Speaker 1: We planned every trip we have planned entire summer, had

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Speaker 2: And so yes, so you are not able to speak

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Speaker 2: to Sabine, which you know, I went through this with

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Speaker 2: kind of it's like there's a freedom like okay, wow,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have necessarily chosen. There was a compromise. The

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we got them hopping around to do.

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Speaker 2: We have more to explore. We'll have more, I think

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Speaker 1: More thoughts, I think we might. What would you think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: That is, folks, you can keep up with. Actually, maybe

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should get to you with the diagonald I

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Speaker 2: Good plan if you do it with me.

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