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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire for Wednesday, April thirtieth, final day of the month

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Speaker 2: is here, and oh my gosh, do we have a

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Speaker 2: couple of big, big, big, huge NBA games tonight? Minnesota

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Speaker 2: tries to knock the Lakers out up three to one

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Speaker 2: games out here in LA. A lot of Lakers fans

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Speaker 2: think it's over. I am on records saying it's not over. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: that's a big one tonight, as well as Golden State

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Speaker 2: at Houston Warriors trying to knock out the Rockets. Two

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Speaker 2: of those series if has been phenomenal. The NBA action

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Speaker 2: last night was hella good. However, I do need to

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Speaker 2: remind you we'll only do a few minutes NBA here

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Speaker 2: and then we will go into a great guest. Zach

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Speaker 2: Jackson covers the Cleveland Browns has covered him for a

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Speaker 2: few years. Yes, he knows the man'sal era. Okay, the

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Speaker 2: Schador era could be similar. Not from a bad perspective,

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Speaker 2: just chaos. Okay, you're gonna love this interview. I know

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Speaker 2: we're making a lot on the Cleveland Browns, and I

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Speaker 2: tell Zach this, but you know, we can look at

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Speaker 2: the numbers of the podcast and guys, the downloads for

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Speaker 2: some of the Schadur podcasts are through the roof, like

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Speaker 2: massive numbers. It's like, WHOA, what is this all about?

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Speaker 2: People are into the Shadoor standers story. So we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about it one more day and then after that we

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Speaker 2: will we'll pivot back to NBA. Obviously. Tomorrow is a

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Speaker 2: huge NBA podcast with the Lakers and Wolves and Warriors

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Speaker 2: and Rockets in action before we get to Zach real quick.

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Speaker 2: Four games. Last night, Celtics knock out the Magic That

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Speaker 2: was no big deal. Jason Tatum cooked whatever, my Knicks

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Speaker 2: up three to one, lose to the Pistons, and the

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Speaker 2: Knicks just never felt totally locked in defensively. The effort

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Speaker 2: was not there. They fouled so much. The Pistons shot

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Speaker 2: thirty six free throws. The Knick shot fifty nine percent

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Speaker 2: from the line. They did do the hack of Mitchell Robinson,

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Speaker 2: and Robinson was a factor plus nine when he was

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Speaker 2: they fouled him, put him on the line and he

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Speaker 2: can't shoot free throws. Three to seven However, Brunson missed

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Speaker 2: four of sixteen. Cat didn't shoot well. The Knicks came

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Speaker 2: into this game and from the jump they look like,

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Speaker 2: oh we got this. Were up three one and Detroit

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Speaker 2: led by Cad Cunningham Onsar Thompson at his best game

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Speaker 2: and listen, Dennis Shuter makes some timely shots and Pistons advance.

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Speaker 2: They go back to Detroit. You know it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a juiced up crowd. I don't ever want to push

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Speaker 2: things to a game seven. You never know what conda happen.

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Speaker 2: Nicks lacked the knockout punch. It just didn't have it

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Speaker 2: and lose, and now they got to go to Detroit

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Speaker 2: for another game. Oh by the way, Celtics will be

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Speaker 2: waiting in the wings for at least five days of

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Speaker 2: extra rest while the Knicks are getting just in a

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Speaker 2: heavyweight knockout battle with the Pistons. Now I do have

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Speaker 2: a stronger take on Piston on sorry not Pistons, Pacers.

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Speaker 2: What nineteen bucks one eighteen. First of all, the game

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Speaker 2: was crazy, okay, Milwaukee largely led for most of the game.

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Speaker 2: Indiana just like my knicks came out sleepy Bucks jump

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Speaker 2: all over them. Gary Trent Junior has basically the game

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Speaker 2: of his career. He's just splashing threes left and right.

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Speaker 2: Hit eight threes. Okay, Giannas had a great game. Thirty

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Speaker 2: how about this from your honest thirty twenty and thirteen,

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Speaker 2: thirty twenty and thirteen miss six free throws, had seven turnovers. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 2: thirty twenty and thirteen. You do that, you're usually gonna win.

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Speaker 2: There was a brutal turnover late. Doc Rivers up seven

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Speaker 2: with thirty nine seconds left in overtime, and they gagged away.

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Speaker 2: Halliburton cooks Jannis on a layup with one second left.

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Speaker 2: Haliburton is so good, you guys could doubt them all

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Speaker 2: this Pacers team. Okay. Now, my old neighbor back in

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Speaker 2: pa is a huge Pacers fan from Indiana. Went to

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Speaker 2: we just don't look that good. I'm like to settle down, man. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they were up three to one. I totally understand that

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Speaker 2: He just beat Yannis one on one from the three

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Speaker 2: it about him getting in Yannis's face talking trash, like

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Speaker 2: hated that he stole his son's thunder and then he

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Speaker 2: does that? Douchey Ja Morant's dad talking trash to players

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Speaker 2: Now listen our parents, you know mom's dads. They obviously

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Speaker 2: take it. And I just thought Haliburton's dad really bricked there.

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Speaker 2: Did not like that at all. Also, paper Clips had

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Speaker 2: They get drubbed in Denver and Jamal Murray starting to

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Speaker 2: and you know that's going to be a storyline today

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Speaker 2: once everybody gets through Halliburden and the other stuff. All Right,

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Speaker 2: without further ado, let's get to our guest, Zach Jackson

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

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Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

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Speaker 1: listen live. You know a guy, Jason likes to think

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Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 3: I know what sports fans want, but for everything he

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Speaker 3: doesn't he knows the guy who does. Let's just say

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Speaker 3: I know a guy who knows the guy who knows

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Speaker 3: another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's come a new guest to straight fire.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe he's appeared on the pod, but boy,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be everywhere for the next six months to

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Speaker 2: a couple of years thanks to Shador Sanders landing in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Zach Jackson from The Athletic Zach, how you.

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Speaker 3: Doing, man, I'm good. It's been a wild three days, right,

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Speaker 3: So whether it's three months or three years or longer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have to inform friends and family?

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm gonna have to lock the iPad around you

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Speaker 2: guys from now on, Like, hey, I don't need anybody

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the pick gets made Saturday afternoon. There was

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Speaker 3: for the second day picks right, and then it flashes

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Speaker 3: Finally it settles down about ten minutes later. Jason, I

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Speaker 3: Can I get a Shador jersey? And I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: But I will just say like it's been a whirlwind,

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Speaker 2: talk me through the Browns offseason. So Watson has the Achilles,

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Speaker 3: from the combine and the realization is that cam Ward

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Speaker 3: because of the Watson t They just there's no way

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Speaker 3: they can make that trade. Right. So then Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: and they know him. It makes sense now Jason that

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Speaker 3: it's settled, But at the time, to me, it was

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Speaker 3: can't move right, right, Like the Browns got the best

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Speaker 3: of Joe Flacco two seasons ago. Let's just be honest.

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Speaker 3: So then it's like, okay, well this totally makes sense

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Speaker 3: because you know what you're getting in Joe. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's going to command the offense. And then they're going

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Speaker 3: to bring someone else along, right, And they make the

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Speaker 3: and they get they make four selections in the first

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Speaker 3: He is five eleven in cleats. He's not going to

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Speaker 3: now they're in. So now you have an extra crowded room.

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Speaker 3: You have two rookie quarterbacks who have to compete for snaps,

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Speaker 3: probably guaranteed almost nothing other than this summer. Right, So

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Speaker 3: they gave Flaco four million in guarantees. Can You Pickett's

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Speaker 3: I would say it's eighty percent right that the rookies

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let me rewind to twenty fourteen, a

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Speaker 2: I'm looking it up. I don't think he started at all.

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Speaker 3: and Hoyer was thinking, well, if if you'd pay attention

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Speaker 3: The Johnny Manziel thinks. So Johnny had plenty of arms,

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Speaker 3: So Johnny's regrets are there, and like I said, the

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Speaker 3: Johnny Manzil. They also completely blew the first one and

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Speaker 3: like Baker, Right, Baker came in. He wasn't for everybody

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Speaker 3: right about Baker Mayfield. You know, he's never going to

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Speaker 3: And I don't think, I know, this was not way

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Speaker 3: so look whatever's out there about Shador. He gets a

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Speaker 3: this summer? I don't know. I know, Kevin Stefanski, you

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Speaker 3: that's different than what we've seen generally. The Browns do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what does it say that Watson has not really

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Speaker 2: thrived at all even when healthy with Stefanski? Yet Joe

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Speaker 2: that mean that maybe a better option for Stefanski is

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Speaker 2: Chador is an accurate quarterback, but dtr was a run

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Speaker 2: around guy. Didn't work. Johnny Manziel, Well that wasn't Sefanski.

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Speaker 3: I think both of them to an extent, you know,

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Speaker 3: Stefanski offense, which is run the ball, throw off, play action,

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Speaker 3: All of these things. But I think an advantage for

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Speaker 2: I know that you mentioned Gabriel's like five eleven and

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Speaker 3: Can we get Shador?

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Speaker 2: Do you think has them at any say or input

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Speaker 3: I think it's possible. And I think the one thing

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Speaker 3: Shadoor at one forty four or anytime on Saturday, then

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: And the thing that's really bizarre is no quarterbacks went

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Speaker 3: point of contention is like, Okay, you guys believe in

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Speaker 3: it's the board, it's the board. You cannot tell me

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Speaker 2: I'm curious where are we with Deshaun Watson and what

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Speaker 3: For fun, he was right, he was, and that's why

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Speaker 3: Even before this second achilles, it just failed. It just

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Speaker 3: hundred yards in a game in any game that Watson started.

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Speaker 3: And then he got hurt in mid October, and then

428
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Speaker 3: when Jamis came in, it instantly looked like a real

429
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Speaker 3: NFL offense. It just never looked like that before. So

430
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Speaker 3: he's under contract for two more seasons and the Browns

431
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Speaker 3: have one hundred and seventy million in salary cap commitments

432
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Speaker 3: to him. So two years ago the Broncos cut Russell

433
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Speaker 3: Wilson with an eighty five million dollar dead cap hit record,

434
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Speaker 3: the Browns oo Watson double that, So about thirty seven

435
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 3: will come off of that, and his current cap number

436
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty six is eighty million dollars.

437
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Speaker 2: And then that is your best guess that he just

438
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 2: won't play, he'll be injured, and then they'll cut him

439
00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 2: at the end of the season.

440
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he'll on one of the injured lists. I

441
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 3: don't know if it'll be IR or NFI this year,

442
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 3: right And then after that they'll have to decide because

443
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 3: every dollar is guaranteed and spoken for, so they'll have

444
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 3: to decide are they going to formally cut him and

445
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 3: accelerate the hits or how they're going to do that.

446
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 3: But you know, right now, they're at only around if

447
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 3: you count the draft class being signed in the next

448
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 3: week or so, they're only at a round six or

449
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 3: eight million dollars. Like this is why they didn't do

450
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 3: much in free agency. This is why they had to

451
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Speaker 3: go to the Kenny Pickett and Joe black O route.

452
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Speaker 3: They just don't have the money because it's not just

453
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Speaker 3: Watson's contract. They took several other guys and a lot

454
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Speaker 3: of them good players, don't, don't get me wrong, and

455
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 3: accelerated all of that money forward to be good last

456
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 3: year when they went three and fourteen and this year

457
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Speaker 3: when they're kind of stuck in between a rebuild and

458
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 3: you know, trying to make the most out of the

459
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Speaker 3: end of Joel Buttonio's career, Miles Garrett turning thirty. Nick

460
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 3: Chubb's not coming back, right, So it's a team in transition,

461
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 3: and it's a team that has the lowest over under

462
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Speaker 3: in the league. So we'll see what happens. But the

463
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Speaker 3: Watson commitments are going nowhere. Fox Sports Radio has the

464
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Speaker 3: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of

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466
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467
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Speaker 2: Which also makes the Miles Garrett contract nutty because I

468
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 2: don't know if memory serves. At the press conference dra afterward,

469
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett intimated a I know what the game plan

470
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: is at quarterback. Well, I'll be honest, there's no way

471
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Speaker 2: on earth it was Getty pick at Joe Flacco' Dylan

472
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Speaker 2: Gabriel and should do her. Like, what do you make

473
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Speaker 2: of the Miles Garrett move.

474
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Speaker 3: I understand why they didn't trade him, and I think

475
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Speaker 3: it's probably personal. Nobody wanted to be the GM that

476
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 3: traded for to Shaun Watson and traded away Miles Garrett.

477
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 3: But yeah, I said, you know, the first thing I

478
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 3: wrote at the end of the season was the offensive

479
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 3: coordinator change. But as soon as we got home from

480
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: that game, and as soon as we started processing the offseason,

481
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Speaker 3: the first thing I said is they have to trade

482
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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. Like they have to move on here. They

483
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: have to be honest about it. Miles had started, you know,

484
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 3: in December hinting towards I might ask for a trade.

485
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't like the state of things, and then the

486
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Speaker 3: week of the Super Bowl in early February, he came

487
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: out with public statement, followed that up with a fully

488
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: coordinated media tour telling how bad the roster was, telling

489
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: how bad things are, why he needed a new start,

490
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: and then the day before free agency started, he had

491
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Speaker 3: his new contract, so it changed quickly. So, like I said,

492
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Speaker 3: I understand why you don't want to get rid of

493
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Speaker 3: that player. And that player certainly can help you win

494
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: games because he affects the quarterback and the play caller

495
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: on the offensive line on every single play. But this

496
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 3: is a team that's two years away. And you know,

497
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: right now, we like the defensive tackle they got, right,

498
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: we like the new starting running back, but there's a

499
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Speaker 3: whole lot of pieces that are still missing to think

500
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Speaker 3: that this is a team truly on its way to

501
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Speaker 3: doing something.

502
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Speaker 2: I mean hypothetical, and I'm sure people will laugh when

503
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Speaker 2: they hear this, but because no NFL team will admit

504
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: to doing this, is there a whirl where the brown said, Man,

505
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: there's no path for us to getting back to the

506
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: playoffs in twenty twenty five. Let's kind of sort of

507
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: get our ducks in a row, cut watching or set

508
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: up to cut him whatever. But we're playing for twenty

509
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: twenty six, and if we get the number one pick, wonderful,

510
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: we get our real quarterback, not the third or fifth rounder. Again,

511
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: I know it's tough to like say that because nobody

512
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: does it in the NFL, But is there a world

513
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 2: where that could be the game plan. Stefanski feeling confident

514
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Speaker 2: that they would even retain him if they win four

515
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Speaker 2: games in twenty five.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that thought's wild at all. I

517
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 3: think executing it is difficult, right. I think that's one

518
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: of the layers of why I sit here and say

519
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 3: I have no idea who's going to be starting in September,

520
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: because you can't outwardly tank. But now, last year, the

521
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,239
Speaker 3: last three games they said we're not winning anymore. They

522
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: went to dtr they played Bailey Zappy right at the end,

523
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 3: and some of that as Jamis had worn out as

524
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: welcome by just continually throwing the ball to the other team,

525
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: and Stefanski was tired of it. But that's the situation

526
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Speaker 3: they were in. So you know, Joe Flacco's forty, right,

527
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: can you Pikett mid twenties only under contract for one year?

528
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: We kind of know what he is. They obviously like

529
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Speaker 3: something about him to have traded a fifth round pick.

530
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I'm interested to see this schedule

531
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Speaker 3: in two weeks because I think there's a certain date Thanksgiving,

532
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: whatever other holiday you want to throw in that you

533
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 3: have to believe that one of the rookies is going

534
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: to be playing, and that the emphasis is going to

535
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 3: be on moving forward. They have some guys because of

536
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: cap commitments that there's no way they could trade right now,

537
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Speaker 3: but they get in the season that trade deadline beckins.

538
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: You know last year they shipped off of Marii Cooper,

539
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: they shipped off Sadaria Smith. I think that's absolutely a

540
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: reasonable outcome here. Again, there's pretty good pieces on defense,

541
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Speaker 3: and in Miles Garrett and Denzel war those are really

542
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: good pieces. Like arguably is good a one to two

543
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: started defense as anybody has. But it's not a deep

544
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: roster for the loss of draft picks, for the money spent,

545
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: and it's an older roster and you know three of

546
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: the four best offensive linemen are only signed through this year.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not great. I mean again, owners will promise everything

548
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: to coaches. I'll never forget. You know, all these coaches

549
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: come through FS one and Eric Mangini kept I keep

550
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: asking them about Jet stuffcause I'm a Jets fan, and

551
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: he was like, I'll never forget. Like the owners like

552
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: we got to bring Brett Fvarvin here and I was like,

553
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't really want Farv And the owner's like it's fine,

554
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: don't worry. If it doesn't work out, We'll just you'll

555
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: be the coach again next year. And of course what happened.

556
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: It failed and they fired him, and he's like, you

557
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: told me i'd be back, And so I don't know

558
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: that I trust these owners. Stefanski does have a lot

559
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: of credibility built up with Coach of the Year, But

560
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: I look around the league. I can't find another quarterback

561
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: controversy heading into the training camp other than the Browns

562
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: and maybe the Colts. Is there another one that I'm missing?

563
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we don't know what's going to happen in Pittsburgh.

564
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: We assume it's Aaron Rodgers. Assume yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah,

565
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: that's pretty bleak. When man Gini was the coach here,

566
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: they started one and eleven, and I think that's in

567
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: play for this team. I really do look at what

568
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: division that they're in and look at some of their

569
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: offensive deficiencies, right, Like, I trust in Stefanski, and I

570
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: think that Miles and Denzel are good enough. Like if

571
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: this ends up being a sixteen, six win season and

572
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: one of the rookie quarterback plays, well, that's super successful.

573
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: And that's in the realm of possibility. But looking across here,

574
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 3: there are talent deficiencies and there are big things they

575
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: have to tackle. I mean, going three and fourteen wasn't

576
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 3: by accident, it really was.

577
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: Now.

578
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: The offense was so bad early in the year that

579
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: I think the defense, you know, couldn't play to its potential,

580
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: and they just they didn't perform at the end of

581
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: some games that could have changed the outlook on things.

582
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: But when you stack them up right now, and there's

583
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 3: always surprises, right like, this is a team that's certainly

584
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: in the bottom quadront we.

585
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Speaker 2: Can wrap up. I'm curious your thoughts on the Travis

586
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: Hunter trade. They did get an extra twenty twenty six. First,

587
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: it is from Joe Jacksonville, which could be good or bad.

588
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: We never know what Jacksonville. But what would you think

589
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 2: passing on a generational talent at receiver to pick up

590
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: an extra number one and some extra and move up

591
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: in second round and stuff.

592
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Speaker 3: I think that was always part of the plan. I

593
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: don't think they believed that something could materialize, right. It

594
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 3: was just so many, so few teams that really they

595
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: thought would do that. But they started really talking up

596
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter in late and that's not their style. So

597
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: I kind of my antennae was up. Mason Graham is

598
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: just a really sound, sensible pick that fits this division

599
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: and fits what this team needs. And if you pair

600
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 3: Mason Graham with a future one, it's like, Okay, we're

601
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: onto something. And that made the quarterback moves even more

602
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: baffling later, like, if you're out of the quarterback business

603
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: in this draft at least until Saturday, then you're out right.

604
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't hate it. Obviously, there's risk if

605
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter becomes the generational player that some believe he can.

606
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: I don't know that the Browns were ready to take

607
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: a wide receiver at number two. To raise a wide

608
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: receiver the right way. They might have been a year

609
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: away from that. So I think Mason Graham is going

610
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: to be at least a good player, maybe a really

611
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: good one. And I think for the future of the Browns,

612
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: the two first round picks next year are going to

613
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: be part of it. And if you want to tell

614
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: me that those picks are both like in the early

615
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: teams because the Browns are better than they expect and

616
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: have a decent year, I'll buy it. And if you

617
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: want to tell me that the Browns are going to

618
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 3: have two top ten picks. Then I could buy that

619
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: thought too, because when you're this bad at quarterback and

620
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: right now they're damn near a zero out of ten

621
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: at quarterback, how can you expect to win football games? Oh? One?

622
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Speaker 2: More so, have you noticed fans either pro Shad or

623
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: pick against it? Confused? Like we've talked about the Dylan

624
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Gabriel and five quarterbacks? And are you seeing more interest

625
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: from people because of how the draft went down?

626
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: It's too early to say that people are interested in

627
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: the Browns. And I can tell you that being back

628
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: in the top five after three years of no first

629
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: round pick was good for business. It was good for

630
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: interest level. I think people are excited about Shador and

631
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: I think for two reasons. One, I think there was

632
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 3: a contingent that always believed or wanted them to take

633
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: him in the first round. Right he's a known commodity

634
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: in early mocks had that being a possibility. It wasn't

635
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: until the combine that it became clear that he wasn't

636
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: going to go in the top tight. And secondly, I

637
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: think people look at it and say he's in the

638
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: fifth round. Whatever happened happened, but this team took him

639
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: and now he's why couldn't he beat out these guys? Right?

640
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: And I think that's a fair question to ask. Yeah,

641
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: it's just one on a long list of questions that

642
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Speaker 3: we're all asking right now. So, like I said, I

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Speaker 3: don't think we see the full team on the field

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Speaker 3: till like May twenty eighth or so. I'm anxious to

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Speaker 3: see that. I'm anxious to see how Shaudor handles everything.

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Speaker 3: I'm anxious to see, you know, what kind of opportunities

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Speaker 3: he really gets. And then when they get to training camp.

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Speaker 3: You know, last year, everything Asa mentioned was so settled.

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00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: Every guy had his contract, Everything was about Watson's going

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Speaker 3: to be good, even though that was went against what

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Speaker 3: we saw with our own eyes every single day. Whereas

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00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: this year, there's going to be a hunger and that

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Speaker 3: starts with the open competition and really across the roster

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00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: a bunch of young guys who are playing for jobs

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Speaker 3: because this is an older team and has been an

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Speaker 3: older team, so there's some vacancies. So, like I said,

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Speaker 3: I if Shador doesn't make it, I'll be shocked. I'll

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Speaker 3: only be mildly surprised if he plays his way into

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Speaker 3: the plants here over the next you know, four to.

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Speaker 2: Six, so over under three and a half starts for Shador.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a good line. That is a good line.

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Speaker 2: I mean initially I said one and a half, but

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Speaker 2: I had to bump it out because everybody's in a door.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think if you're really offering that line, Jason,

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Speaker 3: whether we're betting a dime or just you know, having

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Speaker 3: fun with it, you got to think about the Browns history.

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Speaker 3: Four quarterbacks play every single year, so.

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Speaker 2: I got about the futility there, so you would probably

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Speaker 2: lean to the over.

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Speaker 3: I would probably I would have to consider it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that's a really good line. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: put that on my group message here as well.

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Speaker 2: It depends about how the schedule shakes out, too, Like

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Speaker 2: if it's super soft early and Flacco or Picket gets hot,

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Speaker 2: then you know, probably Sho ain't playing until like you know,

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Speaker 2: they're tanking.

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Speaker 3: And and it's or Flacco and Picket go down to

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Speaker 3: the wire and they keep them both, or does one

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Speaker 3: emerge from the other and somebody's backup gets hurt and

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Speaker 3: they make a trade and just go with the two rookies, right,

681
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Speaker 3: Because that's a totally different, you know, conversation.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like.

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Speaker 3: I said, they both have super easy trade numbers in

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Speaker 3: the cap situation. It's not like they're behind the cap,

685
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Speaker 3: but the cap situation is such that every couple million

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Speaker 3: count here as they go about their business over these

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Speaker 3: next few months.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because wasn't there I kind of swore there

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Speaker 2: was a trade. Oh oh it was Kirk Cousins when

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Speaker 2: he went down with Minnesota. Didn't they swing a trade

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Speaker 2: for somebody to try to stay relevant?

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Speaker 3: Yes? They did. It was Josh Dobbs who had Cleveland

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Speaker 3: had traded earlier this summer.

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Speaker 2: Fuck. Yeah, so that is I never thought of that

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Speaker 2: until you said, so Cleveland is positioned well like Kenny

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Speaker 2: Pickett and Joe Flacco. Hey, trade bait. Somebody goes down,

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Speaker 2: you want to stay relevant, keep your job, come get him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like people know what Flacco is, right, and

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00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: he's not for everybody, and he's forty, but if he

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Speaker 3: shows he can play a little bit, and then he's available,

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Speaker 3: like you know, they could. They could make that move

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Speaker 3: and you're not gonna get much for him, but certainly

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Speaker 3: it's in play because when that fourth guy was added,

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Speaker 3: to the quarterback room, and it wasn't just some cast

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Speaker 3: off for some undrafted rookie. Now it's like, okay, we

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Speaker 3: really don't know how this is going to go. Kenny

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Speaker 3: Pickett has said on the record twice I was promised

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Speaker 3: the chance to compete for a job, not that he

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Speaker 3: would be given it, not that he would win it.

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Speaker 3: But he said the first thing the Brown said when

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Speaker 3: they called him that day is we're glad to have

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Speaker 3: you here, and you're gonna get every chance to compete

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Speaker 3: for the job.

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Speaker 2: That's very vague, a little more certainty than that. A

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Speaker 2: right zack Jack to the athletic Great stuff, Man, keep

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Speaker 2: up the good work. It's gonna be an awesome season

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Speaker 2: for you. I'm sure probably gonna gain followers across the

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Speaker 2: board on podcasts every week.

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Speaker 3: What does you what.

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Speaker 2: Is your door inactive? Did you see the d on tweet?

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Speaker 2: I mean, man, there's it's gonna be. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a big one for you.

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Speaker 3: Good. Luckily, when I was when I was at Fox,

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Speaker 3: they sent me to Cincinnati to cover a t bow

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Speaker 3: preseason game, all right, And I remember it and this

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Speaker 3: was what twelve thirteen years ago, and I remember, you know,

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Speaker 3: He didn't play until the third quarter, but there was

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Speaker 3: an NFL Network crew that followed him on the sideline

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Speaker 3: the whole and that that's something that's always stuck with me.

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Speaker 3: I remember watching that from the press box, and as

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Speaker 3: I was driving home Saturday, I was thinking, that's what

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Speaker 3: this is gonna be the Browns preseason openers in Carolina,

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Speaker 3: and it's either gonna be on ESPN or it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be on NFL Network, and he's going to have his

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Speaker 3: own camera crew following him as he stands on the

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Speaker 3: sideline and waste.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how Stafanski and company are going to view that,

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Speaker 2: because nobody wants that nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Didn't you think that was part of why he slipped, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you don't want to quarterback with the camera crew.

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Speaker 2: I think the owner probably had some sale and let's

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Speaker 2: bring him in. You know, that could be good for business.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones, I'm surprised he didn't take a flyer on him.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones loves this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: He lives for it, and so he lives for it.

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Speaker 3: The Browns just stumble into it. That's stumble into it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, all right, man, good stuff. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: talk to you soon thanks Jason,