Speaker 1: Here's my advice young people learned to code. It's one
Speaker 1: more thing. I'm strong and geddy, one more thing. So
Speaker 1: I'm speaking at career day at my son's high school
Speaker 1: on Friday. I want to discuss that a little bit
Speaker 1: with the rest of the cast here is also in
Speaker 1: the radio industry.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm trying to remember I've done a couple
Speaker 2: of those, but it's been ages.
Speaker 1: Before we get to that. Wanted to hear this story.
Speaker 1: This is about the dude and the fake and his death, Katie.
Speaker 1: Should I already gave it away? Did I give it away?
Speaker 1: Should I not have given it away? Kind of gave it? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's listen to it.
Speaker 3: Forty five year old Ryan borgart Vani is from Green
Speaker 3: Lake in Wisconsin. In August, police found his kayak his car,
Speaker 3: along with his wallet, keys, and license. But for fifty
Speaker 3: four days, search teams using sonar and divers scoured this
Speaker 3: lake in Vain. Police say it all unraveled when they
Speaker 3: learned Ryan's passport was used in Canada. The day after
Speaker 3: he disappeared. A search of his computer revealed the married
Speaker 3: father was talking online to a woman from Uzbekistan. He
Speaker 3: had recently taken out a three hundred and seventy five
Speaker 3: thousand dollars life insurance policy and moved money overseas. The
Speaker 3: FBI is also involved in this investigation. At this point,
Speaker 3: they think Ryan Borgart is somewhere in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 1: So you're married with kids, you meet a chick online
Speaker 1: from Uzbekistan wherever that is.
Speaker 2: Once you've had is Bekistani, you'll never go back to
Speaker 2: your wife or your granny. Like the old saying goes, geez,
Speaker 2: I don't, well, look what I had to work with.
Speaker 1: Go to the car. What are you gonna rise with Uzbekistan?
Speaker 1: Even for you to say so? The insurance policy was
Speaker 1: that for him to have money or to leave money
Speaker 1: for his family as he headed out the door, I
Speaker 1: would think for his family, right, I think it to me,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he took a bunch of money. But then
Speaker 1: you know I left him even more behind with the
Speaker 1: I died.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, right, yeah, just because he decided I'm
Speaker 2: out of here, I'm gonna go houck up with a hot,
Speaker 2: hot Uzbeka stanny. Woman doesn't make dan, that's right. But
Speaker 2: he has kids, Oh my lord, nod, he's got three
Speaker 2: beautiful camps.
Speaker 1: Well he's crazy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's that.
Speaker 1: And his wife looked like.
Speaker 2: Stanny Tail.
Speaker 1: His wife looks nice, nicely, really sweet looking family. What
Speaker 1: a dick. Yeah, crap, And so I'm sure the money's gone.
Speaker 1: She's not going to get the insurance payout because he's
Speaker 1: not dead. That sucks hard. Oh that's a bad one.
Speaker 2: I'm kayaking around in Green Lake, Wisconsin wherever that is,
Speaker 2: with my cute wife and my three beautiful children. You
Speaker 2: won the lottery, of course I'm not happy. I'm not.
Speaker 2: He's clearly a freaking nut job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a sad story. All for some Beckis stan
Speaker 1: All for some sweet Usbecca stany tale you Becky Becky
Speaker 1: Becky Bekers stand Stan Well?
Speaker 4: And how's he even know? I mean, we heard that
Speaker 4: whole that scam where guys were getting scammed out of
Speaker 4: a bunch of money overseas.
Speaker 1: Decent point, we're assuming this is even slightly real. It's
Speaker 1: quite possibly got over there and it's a dude, and
Speaker 1: he's one of many dudes showing up to see this
Speaker 1: dude who they all think is a woman. And yeah,
Speaker 1: all he did was lose his money.
Speaker 2: Getting baffed over the head and have his money taken. Well,
Speaker 2: he deserves a packets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now he's actually missing, right because he's over there.
Speaker 1: Yes, now you're actually missing. So my son's high school
Speaker 1: a lot of like a lot of high schools do,
Speaker 1: having a career day, and so they send out an
Speaker 1: email to all the parents, would you like to come
Speaker 1: speak a career day about what you do for a living?
Speaker 1: To give our high school students, who are now just
Speaker 1: a couple of years away from the real world, some
Speaker 1: ideas of things they could go out there and do
Speaker 1: to make a living. And well, Jo can speak to
Speaker 1: this because he's done it before. I've not done it before.
Speaker 1: But it's the it's the odd thing of on one hand,
Speaker 1: I got a cool job that sounds fun and cool
Speaker 1: because it is. But on the other hand, it's not
Speaker 1: actually a career that's available to really hardly anybody, especially now.
Speaker 1: It never really was. It's show business and you know
Speaker 1: it exists, and I don't mind telling you about it,
Speaker 1: but I kind of hate the idea of putting it
Speaker 1: in your head that this is an option for you,
Speaker 1: because it barely is anyway.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, true, but I assume you're thinking of yourself
Speaker 2: as a podcaster. Well, yeah, so a broadcast.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing my son I didn't actually get
Speaker 1: into it. He's not going to be able to go
Speaker 1: because it filled up very quickly, and they he's a freshman,
Speaker 1: and they let the seniors pick first. It makes sense,
Speaker 1: is they're a year out from the real world and
Speaker 1: then juniors, you know, makes sense. And it filled up immediately.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because I put radio announcer slash
Speaker 1: podcaster and they probably don't even know what radio announcer is,
Speaker 1: but the word podcaster got their attention. And I will
Speaker 1: speak to a little of that, but I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't because that it's first of all, the radio
Speaker 1: industry is barely exists. To those of us still in
Speaker 1: it exists great, it absolutely exists. Fantastic, and it's good
Speaker 1: for the advertisers and it's good for everybody. But but
Speaker 1: technological changes and changes in the laws, the Telecommunications Act
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety six when Clinton's president changed the radio
Speaker 1: landscape forever and then everything from them technological wise changed
Speaker 1: it and everything like that. So they're just don't as
Speaker 1: many jobs as there used to be, correct, But those
Speaker 1: of us still in it, it's fantastic, but it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard, hard to go into a classroom and
Speaker 1: say here's something you could do for a living.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, you got to bring Hanson along to
Speaker 2: answer like all of their technical questions.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I'm not going to answer any technical questions
Speaker 1: because I don't think that matters at all. But anybody
Speaker 1: who owns a computer or a phone can be a podcaster.
Speaker 1: I mean, the barrier entry is almost zero for being
Speaker 1: a podcaster, but then actually turning it into money is
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. And so I don't know, what
Speaker 1: what what have you told people in the past about
Speaker 1: your You're lucky to have it, you know, one in
Speaker 1: a million shot career.
Speaker 2: My memories are are very vague.
Speaker 1: I mean, back when you were going into high schools,
Speaker 1: it was you know, the Hindenberg has landed that sort
Speaker 1: of radio.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah, that's why my memories are so vague. Now,
Speaker 2: it was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: I have a.
Speaker 2: Feeling that I probably accented the idea that it takes
Speaker 2: a very long time, and you have to work hard,
Speaker 2: and you have to be willing to do about anything.
Speaker 2: If you go in picky, you're doomed. Pursue any opportunity
Speaker 2: that comes along as aggressively as you can.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the radio industruy of the podcasting industry.
Speaker 2: Oh podcast not podcast thing didn't exist when I was.
Speaker 1: Oh you're you're talking about what you used to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh right now and yeah and.
Speaker 1: I so okay, this is my real question. In Katy,
Speaker 1: you can answer this two year. You can get to
Speaker 1: the real question. The real question is how far do
Speaker 1: I want to go down the road of of course
Speaker 1: you'd like to be rich, and most of you would
Speaker 1: like to be famous, but very very very few two
Speaker 1: people can be rich and famous and it's you know,
Speaker 1: a good idea to pursue other things and this on
Speaker 1: the side, or I have very realistic expectations going in
Speaker 1: how far down that road do want to go? Being
Speaker 1: like a downer where they all walk out and think,
Speaker 1: oh crap, I probably can't do it because he says
Speaker 1: nobody can really do it. And I wish I'd have
Speaker 1: gone over to the UH coding guy and UH had
Speaker 1: him speak about something that I could actually do for
Speaker 1: a living.
Speaker 2: Ai'll be doing the coding. Don't waste time more than this.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you asked Katie, So I'll let her answer first.
Speaker 2: I have my own answer.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know that I would discourage them,
Speaker 4: but I would definitely give them a warning.
Speaker 1: Well, whe's why I don't on the competition. What if
Speaker 1: they're smart and funny, I don't need them out there
Speaker 1: competing against me for the rest of my my career.
Speaker 4: But yeah, now then mind them, discourage the hell out
Speaker 4: of them. No, just you know, I would say, I
Speaker 4: like your idea of having a back kind of a
Speaker 4: backup plan.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a little like an NBA player going
Speaker 1: in there and talking about this is a career option
Speaker 1: for you, Right, Yeah, I have a backup plan.
Speaker 2: I would I would absolutely emphasize some of the positives,
Speaker 2: but make clear that it is unbelievably competitive, especially now,
Speaker 2: and that you've got to be really compelling all of
Speaker 2: the time. It's a tough thing to do. But you know,
Speaker 2: another message might be and I remember, this is one
Speaker 2: of the few moments of decent parenting I ever generated,
Speaker 2: was explaining to my kids, who all of whom had
Speaker 2: various passion for the arts and music, drama, whatever, And
Speaker 2: I told them, you're not studying math and business and
Speaker 2: English and everything else in case you fail. I'm not
Speaker 2: encouraging you to do these things because I think you're
Speaker 2: going to fail. I said learn this stuff in case
Speaker 2: you succeed, because in show business people will try to
Speaker 2: steal from you every single day of your career, at
Speaker 2: least until you surround yourself with good enough people that
Speaker 2: they're not. You've got to be smart. You gotta be savvy.
Speaker 2: You got to be knowledgeable. You've got to be confident.
Speaker 2: You've got to be a negotiator. You gotta understand finances
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. The last thing you want to
Speaker 2: do is be some sort of naive, uneducated artist who
Speaker 2: just you know, throws yourself to the wolves.
Speaker 1: I know this is this is a dead end. Get
Speaker 1: a job with the state. You get a job with
Speaker 1: the state, you can't fire, you paycheck forever you work
Speaker 1: till you're like fifty, pension and healthcare the rest of
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 2: Now, many of you want to understand this, which you're
Speaker 2: gonna keep a bottle of vodka in the bottom draw
Speaker 2: all right, just to get through the day, because there
Speaker 2: are gonna be days you're gonna think I'd rather be dead.
Speaker 2: But a little nip from old uncle Wodka. Set you
Speaker 2: right on the right track, and you'll you'll be fine,
Speaker 2: trust me, just a little nip.
Speaker 1: What about dressing for the part?
Speaker 2: Show up with headphones on?
Speaker 1: Oh god, you know my my, Back when radio was
Speaker 1: in an industry, you actually could go into and get
Speaker 1: a job in whatever town he lived in. I don't
Speaker 1: care how small the town was. They had a radio station,
Speaker 1: maybe two. You could go work out and earn a living.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a long time ago, but even then,
Speaker 1: my first radio teacher in college said almost none of
Speaker 1: you are going to be able to make a living
Speaker 1: in this, and then just wanted you to know. And
Speaker 1: my only thought was that's true for them, but it's
Speaker 1: not true for me. That's the way I thought about it.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad she said that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I received similar warnings. Yeah.
Speaker 4: My mathcom teacher when I was in college did a
Speaker 4: really cool thing with our class that kind of opened
Speaker 4: my eyes to talk radio because we were in that
Speaker 4: whole realm of the class and he had to sit
Speaker 4: silent for one minute and he said that was one minute.
Speaker 4: Imagine talking for four hours, because it made you realize
Speaker 4: how long a minute is when you're just sitting there,
Speaker 4: you know, and it kind of go opened my I
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, that really is that's a skill you have.
Speaker 1: And on I was going to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the spoken word is more popular than it's ever
Speaker 1: been in my life, I think with podcasting, and you know,
Speaker 1: you've all seen some of the amazing podcasting contracts people
Speaker 1: have signed, so spoken words still a great desire for
Speaker 1: it out there. You just have to have an angle,
Speaker 1: be an expert in something, or be funny or charming
Speaker 1: or something or all.
Speaker 2: Of the above. Yeah, just you know, you might want
Speaker 2: to emphasize it takes a hell of a lot of work.
Speaker 2: You've got to be with It sounds easy. It only
Speaker 2: sounds easy because you've worked like crazy to make it
Speaker 2: sound easy. You will sound crappy if you think it
Speaker 2: is easy, unless you're just wildly talented. And although even
Speaker 2: then they're lots of wildly talented people. But what are
Speaker 2: they talking about? What is their topic? What's to handle?
Speaker 2: How do people find their way to you?
Speaker 1: And that's why you should get a job with the
Speaker 1: state exactly.
Speaker 2: And again, bottom drawer, keep it just a little vodka whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, what you ladies, maybe a little schnapps. It's minty,
Speaker 2: it's fresh.
Speaker 4: Wow, ladies, ladies, some schnapps.
Speaker 2: A little slow fizz. You could show him nicky sour
Speaker 2: maybe Candy tell me, tell me what I'm scratching where
Speaker 2: he is?
Speaker 5: Yes, Jackie could show him how the proper way to
Speaker 5: cue a record. You should also give him a pop
Speaker 5: quiz on the laws of EA s testing.
Speaker 2: Oh god, how do how do uh how to splice tape?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: I actually might include that in that, And that's true
Speaker 1: for any industry that they go into that. I there
Speaker 1: are several skills I learned and got really good at
Speaker 1: that became immediately worthless when technology changed. And that's just
Speaker 1: the way life is, no matter what you're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you gotta, you know, keep adapting. You gotta just
Speaker 1: a little bottle.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess I've covered that here, you know thoroughly.
Speaker 5: Kids, Let me give you a quiz on Paola. Well,
Speaker 5: I guess that's it.