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Speaker 1: R and money than take Valentini.

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Speaker 2: We are the authorities.

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Speaker 3: R and.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, money, mistake Valentine. And this is the

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Speaker 2: Yarvey Money Podcast, the authority on all things R and B.

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Speaker 4: All right, dammit, ore c n B.

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Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying. You do you understand what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. The level of excitement in my face, you

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Speaker 2: see it.

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Speaker 1: I ain't dreaming this. She is not free.

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Speaker 4: This man here, his lesson here, talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, My big cousins and they talked about this

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Speaker 2: man like he had came back as Jesus, like like

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Speaker 2: he was the gorgeous Jesus man.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to be saved by him.

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Speaker 2: He's just talking to themself. Listen, may he's still here

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Speaker 2: doing this thing.

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Speaker 1: Man. This is this is man.

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Speaker 2: This is this is him, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado,

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Speaker 2: the Christopher Williams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the right ahead. What's up? Brother? Come on, man,

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Speaker 1: good to be here. My cousin, And I know she's

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Speaker 1: gonna be watching this.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna shout, You're gonna say her name and everything.

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Speaker 2: You gotta say her name because you weren't. You weren't

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Speaker 2: Christopher Williams. You were Christopher fine Williams every time, every time,

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Speaker 2: and and and I think you you might be.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's let's let's let's let's let's really map.

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Speaker 2: This out this because you life skin, indeed, but you

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Speaker 2: dog skin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. If you don't know, don't try to find out.

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Speaker 1: Leave him alone.

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Speaker 4: If you got that bag, got.

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Speaker 1: See this sing alone. He's the head.

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Speaker 4: He might be fresh off a motorcycle too.

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Speaker 1: Like, man, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I got to forget. I gotta tell my story.

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Speaker 2: Was it R and B live?

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Speaker 4: R and B live?

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Speaker 1: School?

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Speaker 2: Wims is coming to perform. We're excited, coming to do

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Speaker 2: his thing. He walks in motorcycle, jacket, helmet bag. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you can set your stuff off to the side while

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Speaker 2: you perform. You know what I'm saying, Put it over here. No, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm good. Goes to the microphone. Hundreds of people in

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Speaker 2: the places, just performing, and he sets the bag right

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Speaker 2: next to himself and the microphone. Someone gets the bright idea,

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Speaker 2: he says, let me help Christopher Williams out and go

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Speaker 2: grab the bag and put it somewhere safe. Christopher Williams

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Speaker 2: looks at the nigga says, hey, don't touch my motherfucking

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Speaker 2: bag back to singing. I said, please don't touch that

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Speaker 2: because whatever's in that mother, I don't want to find out.

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Speaker 2: And he proceeded to perform and whoop on and be

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Speaker 2: live with the Bagay, man, what.

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Speaker 1: Christopher Williams? What's up? How you feeling?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: Jay? It's gone here man, it's yeah time. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's my guy. I'm always in mind you man, you're

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Speaker 1: just super dope, super talented, and you know what it is. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're a real man's man. Just appreciate that talent and

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Speaker 1: just what you've poured into you know, music and continue

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Speaker 1: to and you know, just sitting the having to conversate

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Speaker 1: you with you about your growth and I never even

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Speaker 1: then it made sense because you know, when I watched

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Speaker 1: more entertaining than just the normal battle of the music

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Speaker 1: or whatever, because you know, like some of those joints

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Speaker 1: Tank's joint was super dope, super entertaining, and your jokes

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Speaker 1: roasted them. It was really good. No disrespect Toyr. We

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Speaker 1: for a living man. It's Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis show. Great.

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Speaker 2: You know when you when you got Jamie Fox, you know,

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Speaker 1: You got to figure out. You got to figure out

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Speaker 2: You have some killers, thank you, brother, Yeah, brother, Christopher Williams.

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Speaker 2: the Bronx, to the beginning, Like where did music take

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Speaker 1: I liked it, but I recognized it. But I think

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Speaker 1: At that point, my life had started shifting from my

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Speaker 1: then I think it's worse because it's funny. One day,

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Speaker 6: So how is how man? How is a young Christopher

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Speaker 2: Crazy because it's a different like, yeah, man, the street

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Speaker 2: my shoulder money. And you are in your global Now

433
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: you're a star everywhere, not.

434
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Speaker 1: Just in your hood. And you're happy about it I've resed.

435
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 4: I'm sure they're making you happy.

436
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: What and it's a different you know, it's a different

437
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: it's a different everything everything goes on steroids. So I

438
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: was feeling great, honestly, even with learning that, you know,

439
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: the changes with geffing and trying to navigate my way

440
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: into the next situation. It was amazing, man. And you know,

441
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: I had a lot of fun. I had a lot

442
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: of fun. Thank god we didn't have Instagram or any

443
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: of that stuff.

444
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 6: But what was the first extravagant purchase that you would

445
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 6: consider that, like, I can't believe I'm about to buy

446
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 6: this ship.

447
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: I bought an Autemar PJ watch that was about sixty

448
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: five thousand back back then, yep, for sixty five Yeah.

449
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: And the reason why I said that was the most

450
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: because I had gotten like a range Rover and I

451
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: used to have a you know, I had a convertible

452
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: Porchi four and all of that. But it never you know, again, now,

453
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: I had been around a lot of dudes that we know, Yeah,

454
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: I just was never that ostentatious, especially in the hood,

455
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: because there was a part of me that was like, listen,

456
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to walk around every day with a

457
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes because I don't want to draw that attention.

458
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: And then a bunch of us, you know, the boys,

459
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: the people, Brooklyn niggas, you know, all that kind of stuff.

460
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I don't want to draw any

461
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: more attention than needed. But I never thought in my

462
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: mind at all that I would spend sixty five thousand

463
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: dollars on a watch now today, No, that's still a

464
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: lot of money.

465
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 6: It's still a lot of money. But what's that sixty

466
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 6: five is today? Is even crazy and crazy?

467
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. And my father, God rest his soul, my

468
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: adopted father. He was like, you better go buy ira,

469
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: he was like, And I did buy one for my son,

470
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: thank god. So those are the best first two major purchases.

471
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: I had gotten my son of twenty five thousand dollar ira,

472
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: but I got a sixty five thousand Alawai. And I

473
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: bought a couple of cars. But that was the first thing.

474
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: And then I moved to Woodland Hills, and I was

475
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I started playing ball and shoot park with you know,

476
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: Bob and Mike Bivins and all of them, and I

477
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: started getting to learn all the cool you know, cool

478
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: place to hang out in La and everybody was cool,

479
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: like we would have basketball games at the oak Wood

480
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: and all that contat. So it was a lot of fun.

481
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: And then I started seeing my friends come out from

482
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: New York. Eric leasal ving Rains, Wesley put me in college.

483
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: Wesley was like, you got to get your ass out

484
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: the street. He was best friends with a neighbor of mine,

485
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: Tharren Cotton. He was like, Bro, you too talented to

486
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: keep going and doing this. He was like, you have

487
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: to get out the streets. Just come and you're smart.

488
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: I know you could pass your GD so did. I

489
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: got my grandfather, who was a pastor, to get me

490
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: a baptism on paper so I could get take my tests,

491
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: a past test with flying colors, and then wound up

492
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: going to Sonny Purchase and that's where I went. I

493
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: met Wes, and that's how that's what spawned New Jack

494
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: City because when West, we would always see each other

495
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: and big each other up because we're all Leos, ving Raims,

496
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: Eric Lasall, Wesley, Me, Alan Payne, all of us. Are

497
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: you know my brother? It was really like my brother

498
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: from another mother and big shot the papasito. Hope everything

499
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: is cool with y'all. But it was just crazy that Kadeen,

500
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: all of us were coming to California and everybody's starting

501
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: to make their mark. So it was just a beautiful time.

502
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: And we graduated from living in the oak Wood and

503
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: then people start getting houses. I get my house in

504
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: Woodland Hills, Kadeen gets his up into peg A Canyon.

505
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: Different world is rocking. So it was a great time,

506
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: and you know, the women of the nineties helped it

507
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: be a beautiful time. On it was just a different

508
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: kind of fine. Come on, young fellow.

509
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was a different kind of fun. And

510
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: it was okay, okay, it was okay.

511
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Man.

512
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 4: You were christ and you were because that is a

513
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: whole other thing.

514
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: Said Christopher. Mother said Christopher. Fine, well, nig I told

515
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: you at this age, I will take it having your way.

516
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: And it was a lot of fun. And then I

517
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: got to learn from great tutors. I toured with Frankie,

518
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: Beverly and Stephaniel. Stephanie was really the one big shot,

519
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: the big sister. She was the one who really gave

520
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: me that opportunity to go out on a major tour.

521
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from her, a tremendous.

522
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: Amount, and you could sing love.

523
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I learned that that with Stephanie you will there

524
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: will be no other way. Yeah. Yeah.

525
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 6: So so I'm saying that's just that that was also

526
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 6: putting you in a different category. Yes, right, because there

527
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 6: were a lot of artists and a lot of people

528
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 6: were doing really well.

529
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: Everybody couldn't sing just is what it is, you know

530
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

531
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 6: So there were just certain things that when your name

532
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: was mentioned, you were just checking off boxes of like

533
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: oh yeah yeah and yeah, yeah yeah, and we need

534
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 6: to put him in a movie because this guy needs

535
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: to be on the big screen, you know what I mean.

536
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: So how does that come about for you?

537
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was actually I saw West one

538
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: twenty fifth Street and he was telling me he was

539
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: shooting More Better Blues at the time, and I got

540
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: to hang out with him in Denzel Nice. So that

541
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: was an experience.

542
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 8: It's random to menzel blade Blade, That's funny, and you know,

543
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 8: just soaking up all this stuff.

544
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: It's like it was just a moment time and all

545
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: that stuff embodied, like just the atmosphere, Like I even

546
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: remember spots like MK's and Neil's and I'm not really

547
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: a party goer, but you know when it's like your

548
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: friends are there, it's gonna be a nice event. So

549
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: all of those things I see Donald Trump and news

550
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: Donald Trump used to hang around.

551
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 4: I think it was one of us at way, he

552
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: was one of us.

553
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: He was with Andre and Russell. They were chasing me

554
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: Campbell and the rest of the supermodels in New York

555
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: at the time. But I think just the journey man,

556
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: and I think I think that's where I've learned too,

557
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: Just like so Wesley introduces me to uh Pat Golden

558
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: And at the time, my manager was Cassandra Mills, and

559
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: Cassandra calls me and says, I'm gonna get you in

560
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: this movie. I got this record for you. Come meet

561
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: me and Hiram Hicks, and we jumped in Cassandra's Porsche.

562
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: She dropped the top, Hiram jumped in the back and

563
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: they played me Don't Wake Me I'm Dreaming by Stanley Brown.

564
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 4: YEA three deep in the porch.

565
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, she had a commit I wasn't getting in the back.

566
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: I was like you, he said. We dropped the top

567
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: because hiroom wasn't getting in the back without the top truck.

568
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: And then we wound up meeting Stanley and we cut

569
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: Dreaming and then she played Dreaming for George and Doug.

570
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: And initially Warner Brothers wanted After Seven to sing Dreaming hmmm,

571
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: which was cool because I love After seven big chefs

572
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: k Von, but it wasn't a song four K it

573
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: was for me. So we wound up putting it out,

574
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: and then Wesley pushed the issue a little bit to say, YO,

575
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: let my man audition because he went to school and

576
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: I know he could get. I know he can act.

577
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: He's not gonna say he can't, but I know he can.

578
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: So I got the audition. And originally I was G money,

579
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: but I was I had just got my first Budwiser

580
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Superfest and there was no telling how payment this is.

581
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: This is when Big West Sugar was like the Peon

582
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: bodyguard and Big West was the main you know, security

583
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: for Alan West was always really great to me, God

584
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: rest his soul. But so I wound up having to

585
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: uh not take the G money roll, which I'm glad

586
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: because that's how I met my brother, you know, Alan

587
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Pennan being G money and we met and he'll tell

588
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: you the truth. We were driving in his porch. He

589
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: had a Red nine forty four. We in the village

590
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: in New York. Police pull us over. I get out

591
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: and my toast falls on the floor. That's correct, right

592
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: in front of the police.

593
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: You didn't have your bag.

594
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have my bags. I was coming from set,

595
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: so I didn't have my bag and my joint drop.

596
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: And again, even though I had it, I had a license.

597
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: For this particular three point fifty seven, I had to go.

598
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: I had to go to jail. And the funny thing

599
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: is my mom is a highly religious woman. She comes

600
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: to court and she's literally telling the judge, not my baby,

601
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: and the judges are like, ma'am here about to be

602
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: in contempt at court, and I'm like, ma please. So

603
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: I you know, I got in a little trouble for that.

604
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: I had to pay my way out of it. And

605
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: that's how me and Alan met, and he saw that

606
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: there was no fold in me and that we were

607
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: cut from the We were cut from the same cloth,

608
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: and we just became brothers. We shot the movie, had

609
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot of fun shooting the movie. And Al will

610
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: tell you, like he experienced the pandemonium that started breaking

611
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: in my career. He kind of went through everything. I

612
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: remember one night meet him and Wesley at a party,

613
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: and even during the shooting, Denzel would come to town.

614
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: We would go to MK's and it would be like

615
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: a moment like I'll be like, yo, we in the

616
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: spot with Denzel. Y'all got a picture of that somewhere

617
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: we do? I got one. I do have one with

618
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: me Al Wesley and Denzel, and I wondered one day,

619
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: it's always really cool when somebody who reaches that kind

620
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: of level. So fast forward, I'm getting ready to do

621
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: something for BLS in the summer. The thing was me, Eric, Benney,

622
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: Salt and Pepper, and it was somebody else. But the

623
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: bottom line is Denzel has an apartment on Central Park West,

624
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: right across from Central Park, So you know, obviously he

625
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: walks in the park like d does, like very on

626
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: the saw me that on it and everyone goes like

627
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: they spotted him, and it felt like an earthquake in

628
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: the park. So we all come out to dress room

629
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: like what's going on, what's going on? Everybody's like, Denzel's here.

630
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't even say his last name, and

631
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: it's just like now this is now, He's now Denzel Washington. Yea.

632
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: You know, because even back when we were shooting New

633
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Jerk City. He was Denzel, but now he had become

634
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: and don't you know this dude walked up. They was

635
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: like listen, because you know everybody's lobbying to get him

636
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: to do something. He said, I'll tell you what I'll do.

637
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I'll introduce Christopher and truer life. Everybody was mad. Joseoh

638
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: went up, so Oh CAVALII and he was like, listen, everybody,

639
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: this is my man, Christopher, come on out here, and

640
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: the crowd goes nuts. So I think more than any

641
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: like Jay to just kind of like read back to

642
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: what you were saying. This journey is so beautiful, man,

643
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: even through the ups and the downs, I can always

644
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: I've always, I've always had the ability to be grateful

645
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: and thankful of all the experiences that I've had and

646
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: the things that I've triumphed in. And like you were

647
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: saying earlier, athletes like loss sometimes because it motivates you

648
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: to say. And I almost had to lose everything, bro,

649
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: Like I had lost sight of not life, but who

650
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: I was as a creator. And I almost let people

651
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: say okay, because you can't own it, can't dictate it.

652
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: And then director consumer came and this error came and

653
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, how can I mess this back together?

654
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: And when I got out the hospital, that was all

655
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. So I started connecting again, made

656
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: a record called warrem P. He's with Troy Taylor and

657
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: my boy Blew and we're just excited about it.

658
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: Man.

659
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: Good enough came out and they're like, we're still messing

660
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: with you. So again, just grateful, man, it's grateful. I

661
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: think that's dope. I mean, I think having been connected

662
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: to timeless things, I mean, ultimately makes you timeless. It's true, you.

663
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like, no matter what, people will

664
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: always accept and and listen.

665
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: And you done great things because again I remember meeting

666
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: Jamie and I remember meeting you and then like overnight

667
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: to watch you guys just keep ascending and I'm not

668
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: gonna lie. When I saw Jamie du Ray Charles, I

669
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: was like, what Jesus, what kind of nickro is this? Jesus?

670
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: Like he's inn e g us mm hmm, you dig

671
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like they have this thing called spelling

672
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: that they do. This word they make spelling because it's

673
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: a spell because innately a lot of the things that

674
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: we do organically to each other they're ancestral. That's y'all,

675
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: that's my nigga. But they have a way of spelling it.

676
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: But when you really truly look up any gus, it's

677
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: like we're empress and empresses not guys, but we are empress.

678
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: And the thing is, if we could see ourselves like

679
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: that and learn, like we were talking earlier, just compete

680
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: with you. You can't be the left field of the

681
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: center field of the right field, or the back catch

682
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: of the picture of the shortstop, the second basement, the

683
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: first basement. Yeah, you need your team, you need your brother,

684
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: you need your sister to be like, yo, I got

685
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: your brat. I remember when Rihanna made Umbrella. I was like,

686
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was the most clever records. I was like,

687
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: imagine having somebody who watches you like an umbrella, Like

688
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: I see all around you, the stuff you can't see

689
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: in the back of your head. I see all around you.

690
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: And those kind of people in your life are rare,

691
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: And even when their cavalier things like what I just

692
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: explained with Denzel, it's so gratifying to be like, damn,

693
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: eighteen seventeen years later, I'm not the hot person anymore,

694
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: but he remembered and came and was like, Yo, that's

695
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: my guy. Had nothing to do with That's still my guy. No,

696
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: he's not Norm Nixon or Sam Jackson or Brad Johnson

697
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: one of my best friends, but one of his best friends.

698
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: Just funny story about Brad Johnson. There used to be

699
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: a spot in New York called the Seller, and you

700
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: had to be a baller to going there. You know,

701
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: this is one of the zip and Bill Underwood and

702
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: all of these type cats would come to sell and

703
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: Bill would always leve. I was like fifteen, hanging out

704
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: in the cellar. I saw a chok of Khan performing

705
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: the cellar and the top came off. I lost my mind.

706
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to be He rode after it and I

707
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: was like, I don't carry nothing.

708
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: I was like, but I'll call you whatever you have,

709
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 4: whatever you need.

710
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: I was like, that's shot console again, all of this

711
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: journey man and and I'm going back and forth and

712
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: maybe the people saying that because again I've been doing

713
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: this now. I got my first deal in eighty nine.

714
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm of eighty eight released in eighty nine, so I've

715
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: it's almost forty years for me and to still feel

716
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: new about this and coming back and again, even the

717
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: fact that my little brother calls me and says, yo,

718
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: you know talk to the homie you want to have

719
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: you come on, And I'm like, thank no, you know

720
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: it again, bro, I know we're sitting here talking as men,

721
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: but still as brothers. I'm always congratulating. I'm always proud

722
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: of my people, you know what saying. So again for

723
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: reciprocity to say, I can be like, yo, we got

724
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: a place for you to sit down and discuss your

725
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: story and we're interested in it. It's humbling. It's humbling.

726
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: I'm a little kid from the Bronx and eden Wall

727
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: projects to this day, the projects I grew in is

728
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: this close to the precinct and this barbed wire around

729
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: the project because you go in that south Side drive

730
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: other night, somebody's gonna get stabbed. And it's unfortunate. I'm

731
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: not boasting about it. I'm saying that you can change

732
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: your circumstances the power of what you believe, and when

733
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: you find an inner standing instead of trying to fit

734
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: into this understanding, you learn to stay away from silly things.

735
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: And I wish I had got that in my twenties,

736
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't. So I'm glad that now I've been

737
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: able to endure all this stuff, all these wonderful stories

738
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: and things, and now I get to kind of tell

739
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: them from me and hopefully, you know, find partnerships or

740
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: things where I can own these stories and tell them

741
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: and it's doable. They're going to happen. Yeah, you know,

742
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I have to happen. I know, no record companies, Like

743
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: he's going to be the owner of a restaurant and

744
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: they're going to try and make a plan to turn

745
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: into a Sweet Greens. You know, sometimes it's not about

746
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: being the smartest. Sometimes it's like watching people who win

747
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, how can I take it and

748
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: make this fit for me? Right? Yeah?

749
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 6: Now, I think I think for me, man, and I'm

750
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 6: I'm you know, I'm ecstatic that you're here.

751
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: Man.

752
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 6: This is just amazing for me because you know, the

753
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 6: audience doesn't know, but I've known you pretty much my

754
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 6: entire life.

755
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Yep, And you know I told you when I first

756
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: met your famils like these are these are young stars.

757
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: I appreciate that man fly young, real little man. Him

758
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: and his brother something bad as a little bit.

759
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 6: But I think that was that was the kindred spirit

760
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 6: and in all of us. Right that we and I

761
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 6: mean I despite the first time, but we saw ourselves

762
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 6: and you you know.

763
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: What I mean, we because we were very familiar with.

764
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 6: Obviously that lifestyle, because we were coming from it and

765
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 6: our father.

766
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 4: Was deeply in it.

767
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 6: Yes, and but we saw like, okay, we can still

768
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 6: be ourselves because I think what happens obviously it's maybe

769
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 6: it's a little different now, yeah, but before there used

770
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 6: to be a certain thing within this industry of like

771
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 6: if you look like this, you gotta act like this,

772
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 6: and this you got to sound you got to sound

773
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 6: like this, and we can't really tweak it when we

774
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 6: have to tweak it, and you can't be yourself.

775
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: We can't just be a little bad ass, a little niggas.

776
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: That we was right, But then we was like, oh,

777
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: Chris Williams, it's a wild nigga, but they still love

778
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: him and he's successful and he's taking it too different levels, and.

779
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: It was everything that we thought it could be.

780
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 6: You were a part of that for us, that it

781
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 6: was real and part of our argument at times, well,

782
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 6: oh you know, y'all got to be like such and

783
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 6: such a and you know, there y'all.

784
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: Might need to go to etiquette class y'all.

785
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: Might you know what I mean? Like, no, they was

786
00:42:51,080 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: giving us all. Yeah, you know what I mean.

787
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: We want to be for other groups.

788
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: We had the little ones because you ain't gonna be Look,

789
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna see him.

790
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 4: You got to go at the kneed.

791
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: See you gonna let his big bros go first. Then

792
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: he going in hard. Yeah.

793
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: But the way the way that that you all embraced

794
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: the stuff from Bobby Brown hard and soul to you

795
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: to you know what I mean, Like for us, this

796
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: it was, oh, this is really possible.

797
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 4: It was really possible.

798
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 6: Obviously you know, our careers got derailed as a group

799
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 6: with my brother passing, but it was y'all was laying

800
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 6: down the foundation for us completely, you know what I mean,

801
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 6: like and and doing it in a way like you

802
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 6: said before, like even when you speak of Tank as men, yep, yep,

803
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 6: as men.

804
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: And that's why again I love when he talks to us.

805
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: It's like, man, you can hate all you want, but

806
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be me. This is what I do. It

807
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing to do with you. And likel like

808
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: it or not, that's just you know again, really what

809
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: it is so again, I'm always like humble, man, this

810
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: this new go round again after twenty nine years, even

811
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: being asked to go on stuff like The Breakfast, I'm

812
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: not hip hop. I'm not even well, I don't want.

813
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 4: To say you like I'm not you definitely hip hop.

814
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: But you know, again, just tremendous stories and it's like, man,

815
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm Uptown unplugged. If they had to film the beasts,

816
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: the backstage stuff.

817
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 4: Crazy, Oh my god, how long were you on Uptown.

818
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: Until I pulled the bag out?

819
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 3: Three years? Like two or three years. But I didn't

820
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: know Andre's deal. We could talk a bit about because

821
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: I love love Dre Man. You know, we missed Drey honestly.

822
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: He was one of the most charros. Man me and

823
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: Kenny Burns. We was just talking about this the other day, Like, man,

824
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: what he was like p T.

825
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: Barnum? For sure, he was the T. Barnum of R

826
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: and B lifestyle, and he gave that energy. He loved

827
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: talent so much. He would just take his time to

828
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: give you that energy. Like you said, he'd be like, yo, money,

829
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: this shit has to be like Barry's a champagne and

830
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: you would be like sitting there like this dude, really,

831
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: you got a passion. He has zeal for this and

832
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: it would transfer to you. They would make you, it

833
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: would challenge you as an artist because you were like, Okay,

834
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: these are the guys at the top of the food

835
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: chain as far as businessmen, So I have to make

836
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: sure that when I bring my stuff in there's no talk.

837
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: They're just like, what do you want to do? And

838
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: that became my Changes record, and unfortunately, what I felt

839
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: was like one of the best projects I ever done,

840
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: and I executive produced it and I got a chance

841
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: to work with a lot of young talented black guys,

842
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: including Puff that I gave their first producing check to,

843
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: Tony Dofat, Puff, Vincent, Herbert Kayama, Griffin, Ike Lee. My

844
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: whole Changes work on that. Avante, my whole Changes Reckond. Now,

845
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: Davante had done Jo Tosy obviously, but he had not

846
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: started producing other people. Yeah, he would, you know, how

847
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: did because he has to want, you know, Davonte do

848
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: He's like from him to put his fingers on them keys.

849
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: He has to want to do it. And we went in.

850
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: He sent me a track, please Please Please, and he

851
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: was like, I want you to write because he was

852
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: like one of the things that you got to do

853
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: is I want you to write. So I wound up

854
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: writing please Please Please, and we co wrote all I See.

855
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: And I got to meet another talented young brother named

856
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Horace Brown, and he was so dope that I was like,

857
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: don't take his background off, just add God.

858
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm riding in the day and I'm

859
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: listening to it. I'm like, why do I know that

860
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: voice on the back? I didn't realize that was Horse Brown.

861
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: Flonte was trying to be like, yo, I'm a little bro.

862
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Whatever you like, like like your background, I said, are

863
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: you crazy? Leave Horrors right where it's at. You could

864
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: add a root not in for the blend, but don't

865
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: touch those backgrounds.

866
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 4: Bro, I'm cool.

867
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: Because he was like, you sure you're going to be

868
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: comfortable with that? I was like, I love horror, Are

869
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: you crazy? So again, all of these different journey stops,

870
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: of all these amazing times that the creator would have

871
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: me have on my journey, like you can't make this up,

872
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: and it just has been at a blessed ride. And

873
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: I'll take all the naysayers and all the negative things

874
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: times one hundred and it don't even phaze me. I

875
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: was built for this.

876
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, what were you doing when you like, once you

877
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 6: decided you were going to leave the industry for.

878
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: A minute, I started growing up as a man and

879
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: I realized that I'd have to learn to play chess

880
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: and not checkers because a lot of people were baiting

881
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: me and it was only hurting me, and I, like

882
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: you said, it isn't that serious. And you know what

883
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: people got to realize is when you come from these

884
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: different circumstances in life and you don't It's like when

885
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: you're hurt over anything, you carrying around two big hefty

886
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: bags of trash and you walking around saying you want

887
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: a blessing, but you got to put the trash first.

888
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that they were trying

889
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: to say. It wasn't etiquette school. There's a different approach

890
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: of communication that we need to do as men with

891
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: each other and really get down to the nitty gritty

892
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: of Yo, why do you feel vulnerable? What's making you

893
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: act out? Like? What is the goal? What's the end

894
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: goal that you're trying to get to? I wanted equity ownership.

895
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: As you start to understand how your store wars, like

896
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: when you first get sent to FedEx. You're like, Okay,

897
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: take the package and give them seventeen dollars, and you're

898
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 1: saying it'll get there in two days or tomorrow, based

899
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: upon a price. I've always been a person who wants

900
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: to know how the FedEx package actually gets there, every detail,

901
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: And I think that happens with every artist, especially when

902
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: you start to become successful, because you're like, Okay, this

903
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: song that I wrote is generating this amount of money.

904
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: Why aren't I seeing it? What's wrong with this picture?

905
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: And my natural instinct as a kid was to go

906
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: get the bag, and that was the wrong instinct because

907
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: this is business. It's not the streets for sure, for sure,

908
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: and life.

909
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 4: Is supposed to get us out of the streets.

910
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this and life isn't the streets. And that's why

911
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: right now the stories are writ like the Book of

912
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Acbar is literally a story about Kareem Mockbar doing twenty

913
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: eight years in federal prison and metamorphosizing his whole thought pattern.

914
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: The Book of Akbar is a spin on Newjack that

915
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: becomes a comedic modern story about us seeing each other

916
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: as we were on chemick in modern times, everybody flowing,

917
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: everybody rich, a different truth, breaking these spells down about

918
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: each other and even touching upon some things about my

919
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: own personal belief through studying history about politics and what

920
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: they do, religion and how it separates but spirit unites.

921
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: And these are subjects that hurt people because again, there

922
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: is a high level of indoctrination that has been given.

923
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: And people are like, well, that's like, you know, going

924
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. No, that's getting to the truth,

925
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: and that's the thing that's going to get us to

926
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: see each other better, see each other, you know again,

927
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: like one of the things growing up part of the

928
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: the economies, like yo, as many women as you can have. Okay, again,

929
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: all of us love beautiful women. But when you really

930
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: become a man, you want to take care of your

931
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: one woman, or if you have an ancient comedic, if

932
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: you can take care of eight wives and you can

933
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: live someplace where that's not even equal, that's where you

934
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: need to be. Where I had the place I had

935
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: to learn.

936
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: That sneaks tuck about where is this place?

937
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: Live there?

938
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: I guess I guess at here, right, huge send your

939
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: submissions money back. I'm so into what he was saying.

940
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: Man, again, we grew up with these that we grew

941
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: up with these lessons. I mean, like they say words

942
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: like multiplication, civilization. Who's seen something civil in our lifetime? Hm?

943
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: And multiplication is good. I even think relationships related math,

944
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: because there are people multiplying your life, there's people adding

945
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: your life, there's those who always come trying to subtract something,

946
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: and then there's the worst, the dividers. And I think

947
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: that we've been given all these different things that don't

948
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: really tell us ancestrally who we really are. They take

949
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: sound away sound healing. All these things is so that

950
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: we can get to medicine and not get to healing,

951
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: of course, and these are the things that have to

952
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: be broken in society so that people can one flow better.

953
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: The harmony and this rhythm of life is better, and

954
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: people aren't suffering. There's a lot of people out here

955
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: right now hurting. And the funny thing is that we've

956
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: been given all of us the gift to heal. Your

957
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: music gives people something to look forward to. It's an

958
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: escape for an hour while they're on stage watching you

959
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: do your thing, and then we go back to this

960
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: society we're living in where you can do everything. They say,

961
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: have two great careers and you're barely making it. So

962
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: these are things again, All these things in life obviously

963
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: bring out music. I'm thinking and challenge times. Some of

964
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: the greatest music has been written for sure, for sure

965
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: because there is music for fun, and then there's music

966
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: that goes along with the fun. I mean your albums,

967
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: you don't always every record isn't about one set thing

968
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: of You have a theme or whatever, and it's about

969
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: love or romance or creating an atmosphere. But then there

970
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: can be a time when you say, you know what

971
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: I want to make something like Marvin Gay went from

972
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: you show love the balls or what's going on? Yeah,

973
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: and it's the same sound. It didn't make him different

974
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: even when he performed all that stuff on stage. Same

975
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: thing with Teddy Wake Up everybody that he get right

976
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: to turn off the lights. It's a whole different energy.

977
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: It's like when you take your shirt off and you

978
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: start that win week. You know what, the whole change shift.

979
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: You know if you because I think I saw you

980
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: Joy Jamie singing alcohol a long time ago, I'm not

981
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: I think you did, but I was like, okay, again,

982
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: that's a sign of talent. These guys can get up

983
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: and make the party, jump, have fun, yeah, no faking

984
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: real singing, and then you can change the atmosphere with sound.

985
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: You can change the atmosphere with sounds. So I've always

986
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: found that fascinating and that I'm a part of that fraternity,

987
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: like you said, forever. It doesn't matter, like if I'm

988
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: top seventy five or top two hundred, I'm just happy

989
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: to be in the fraternity. Yeah, you know what I mean?

990
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: Extremely aware? Yeah, like has that always been Christopher william.

991
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's part of what got me

992
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: in trouble, because again I needed to decide which Christopher

993
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: Williams you gonna be? Can't You can't keep going to

994
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: get the bag because again the bag is hurting you.

995
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: And a lot of these people talk about playing with

996
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: the bag, but then they play with nine one one,

997
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: So again you're like, this is not the man I am,

998
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: This is not the human being on This is a

999
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: defense mechanism against what my circumstances were. So once I decide,

1000
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys, see how Mike is Mike me

1001
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: and I'll be sureing Mike used to hang out all

1002
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: the time. One of the illess historians I'd ever met

1003
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: in my life. Mike is one of the smartest historians,

1004
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: especially boxing history. His wisdom is phenomenal, and we would

1005
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: always have really deep conversations and he would roll up

1006
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: a pound on my weed or something like joint by joint,

1007
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: And again, these are all these crazy experiences that I

1008
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: had with all these amazing individuals. Me and Al's relationships

1009
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: starting off, he was you know, Al came out and

1010
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: night and day set the world on fire. And he

1011
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: allowed me, as an older brother to be around him

1012
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: because he felt comfortable that I would take care of

1013
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: him and he knew that with me, he could go

1014
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: in spaces where Vaughn Zip was two D from Mount Vernon.

1015
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: He's like, how you know two D had a QT

1016
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: that was dope. I'm like, that's my man from Third

1017
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: Street Park him and Butter. So we started forming a relationship.

1018
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: Then through Al, I met Bob and all of these

1019
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: things just so like breadcrumbs, and I talk about these

1020
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: things in life. It's the journey.

1021
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 6: How was that camaraderie amongst the other artists at that time,

1022
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 6: because I feel like it's a little more separated. Now

1023
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 6: you got a couple guys that really rock with each other.

1024
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 6: And then obviously Tank and I have been trying to

1025
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 6: bridge the gap as much as we can with all

1026
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 6: of them, right, because I would I would say that

1027
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: him and I have no issues with any of them.

1028
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: Right.

1029
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 6: We approach everything as men. It's like, Okay, we fuck

1030
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 6: with you, and if we don't, this is why, right,

1031
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 6: and let's try to fix it, you know what I mean.

1032
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 6: But it doesn't seem as together as it was in

1033
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 6: y'all era.

1034
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It was fun again. We when

1035
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: we talk about after seven and a lot of the

1036
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: guys for me, you know, especially a younger. I wrote

1037
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: Silk's first single, happy Days. I had no idea never

1038
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: really talk because I don't talk about anything. And I

1039
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: think that's I've gotten to an age now where people

1040
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: are like, bro, will you talk? Talk And I got

1041
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: to meet little Gen and the rest of the guys

1042
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: and we're we're just again, lifelong friends and every time

1043
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: we do a show, will get together or see them

1044
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: doing their thing. It fuels me because I'm like, we're

1045
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: still again in all different facets and phases of this career.

1046
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: We're still here. And I've seen actually I got out

1047
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: the hospital another thing. R L calls me on the phone.

1048
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: I don't even know. R L remembered me from next

1049
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: He's like, big bro, what's up? I want you to

1050
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: hear something. Of course he done wrote a joint for

1051
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: me with my name in it and everything. Wow. I

1052
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: played for short tail or Choice like let's cut it.

1053
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn that shit. Damn near broke

1054
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: me down a little bit. I was like, yeah, here

1055
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: it is. This man is a g he got his

1056
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: own life. He's in the prom. You know what I'm saying.

1057
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: He's in his he's still in this young man man.

1058
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: And he's like, Yo, I heard what you went through

1059
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: and I got something for you. And the first thing

1060
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: I hear is Yo, what's up? It's Christopher, I'm back

1061
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: you miss me? Wow? Man in love. I was like,

1062
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: oh so again, just humble that again, like I'm not.

1063
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: I've never been anybody's BFF because I think my cautiousness.

1064
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: But I've come out of that. You know, you know

1065
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: I used to be jail. I'll do anything for anybody,

1066
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: but there was always a batmanaged distance that if I

1067
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: have to go back to my back cave, I can

1068
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: be by myself in the bat cave. Now, if you

1069
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: come to the bat cave. Then it's all up. Yeah,

1070
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: there might be bats there, but I just more than

1071
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: anything man, just gratitude, and this thing is like a

1072
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: body man. Like again, when I see you guys get together,

1073
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: it's TGT. I love genuine, but that's my dog is

1074
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: my dogs. So again to see three super forces come together.

1075
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: And even though you guys have that funny candon, because

1076
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: you're funny and you're always tearing, you always have a

1077
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: certain way you put it out there. And again just

1078
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: dope because again it doesn't take away from who Tire is,

1079
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Tank is a g is. But when you come together,

1080
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: it's a whole nother building you build together, and that's

1081
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: always been beautiful. That's been the key to new addition.

1082
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: And when I was laying on my deathbed, I'll never forget.

1083
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: God said to me, you think your superpowers are a

1084
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: hand or the bag or a gun the toes, and

1085
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: he was like, your superpowers are forgiveness, love and innerstanding.

1086
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: Once you live for that, I will grant everything that

1087
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: was for you. Wow. But I can't. I can't let

1088
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: you get out there unyielded, because then it won't represent

1089
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: who you are and who you are for me, and

1090
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a really religious person, but literally it was

1091
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: like I had six months to sit there, paralyzed, nothing.

1092
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 4: Working your paralyzed for six months.

1093
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: Six months, I was one hundred and thirty one pounds.

1094
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: Jesus to the point where Jay when I started, when

1095
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: I realized I wanted to fight, they were calling me

1096
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: pancake because all I can do is flip. So I

1097
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: done learned how to flip. Then he's gonna have jokes

1098
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: for that. Oh my God. Literally take the Jamaica girl

1099
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: used to come in the morning, Well, mister William, I'll

1100
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: be in there. Oh in Lord Jesus, pancake stays. And

1101
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 1: then I have a best friend called Michelle, who worked

1102
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: for Franking Beverly for you. Michelle is Jamaican. I call

1103
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: her one night crying like a baby because I'm literally

1104
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, having revelation of African nurses

1105
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: and ready to stab the Thai nurses. It's war in Inglewood.

1106
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to flip. I'm trying to shake up out

1107
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: of the stole. A spoon stops. I'm sitting there shaking up.

1108
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is Motherfuck's coming here. Pancake got some funny.

1109
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: You know, when these niggas don't pull dragged me out

1110
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: of the man ain't no way.

1111
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: And then revelation hit and more important things started, and

1112
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, there's a there's a reason why

1113
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm here. So they moved me in this room with

1114
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: this ninety year old man from Omahona College, professor and

1115
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: he had never really been around black folks, and every

1116
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: day he would suck his teeth and I'd be like, like,

1117
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is, at first he thought I

1118
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: was Puerto Rican. Of course he didn't. He was like,

1119
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I'd be like, yo, what's wrong with

1120
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: this dude? And the lady, the Jamaican girl, came and said, listen,

1121
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: he's been in this room alone for a long time

1122
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: and he has no family. So I said, what is

1123
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: he like? So again, like you just said, how can

1124
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: we find a solution of peace? Because I don't want

1125
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: to be in I'm dude, I'm paralyzed, I don't have

1126
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: no beef, I got a shank, but I don't want

1127
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: no problems. So I'm sitting there and she was like,

1128
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: he loves the New York Daily News. I'm from New York. Yeah,

1129
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: and he likes Vanilla, Swiss, Almond, Hollying Dies ice cream.

1130
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: I was like, that's my favorite ice cream when I

1131
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: used to really eat ice cream. So I bought him

1132
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: ice cream and I got him the PA. But it

1133
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: come to him every day. This dude was so hardcourt

1134
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: took him like two weeks. One day they put his

1135
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: curtain back. He looked up me and said, but I

1136
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: knew I got him there because before he literally would

1137
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: just like I was a disease.

1138
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't believe he's in the room with me.

1139
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: Now. Two weeks later, couldn't stop him from talking. I

1140
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what did I do? Now?

1141
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: We got to discuss everything in the newspaper every day.

1142
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: But he died while I was in the hospital because

1143
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: I saw he had diabetes and they were giving him

1144
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: high frutose corn syrup and he wound up dying, and

1145
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: the guy right across from he died. And once that happened,

1146
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: everything from my childhood flashback, all the violence and death

1147
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: that I had experienced flashback. But what it had done

1148
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: to me as a kid, it did to me as

1149
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: an adult, and I was like, I'm going to fight.

1150
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: And that's when I called Michelle when I was really

1151
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: I was in tears. I was like, sure, I'm gonna

1152
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: be honest, like I just need somebody to talk to

1153
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: for real, for real, like I'm trying to put on

1154
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: a good face for my family and my kids, but

1155
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna make it. Michelle, I

1156
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: was like, this is really tough, Like I look like death.

1157
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: I got the Willie Elmo. I ain't got no hair

1158
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: no more. I'm clean cut. Don't wake me up because

1159
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: clean cut's dreaming. I'm like, yo, I ain't got no nothing.

1160
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: And she was like, let me ask you something, Nati,

1161
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: because they call me Nati Chris. She said, what a baby?

1162
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: Do befall him? Walk Michelle, I'm fucked up right now, don't.

1163
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear this shit. I don't have

1164
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: the energy, she said him, cry, get down and cray.

1165
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: Stop being a pom pom. She called me a pom poom.

1166
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'll get back to you. I'll never

1167
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: forget that night I put on Gene Moore Recover All Now,

1168
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how the Creator works. I didn't

1169
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: know Jane at the time. Two years later, Jane had

1170
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: come him and Brian Courtney. Wilson had started sending the

1171
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: treats through Zell and again nothing great, fifty sixty dollars

1172
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,479
Speaker 1: and they would put comments, this is for some snacks og.

1173
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: And then he was performing with India Iri and I said, listen,

1174
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: I got off the hospital, I did my twenty five steps.

1175
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 1: I'm now in Calabasas that the resident's in out there

1176
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: because my apartment uptas down says I live in Burbank still,

1177
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: but I couldn't get up and down in my apartment.

1178
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: So I rented a big residence and I was like,

1179
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to recover here. And then I had doctor

1180
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: Allan Payne, you know the that's like Benjamin Buttons, Yeah,

1181
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: the vegant king. Yeah. So he's starting ordering up all

1182
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: the nutrients and the immune stuff and help and this and

1183
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: that and this, and the thing is I put him

1184
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: on it, but then he take it to he took

1185
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: it to a whole other level. And again because you

1186
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: don't get mad, because you realize this is who this

1187
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: guy is. It ain't got nothing to do with me.

1188
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: So I started healing. And Jane says, yo, I'm in

1189
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: Long Beach. I just finished the show. He said, where

1190
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: are you at? I said, Calabasas. This dude drove to

1191
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: my room from Long Beach, from Long Beach, and he

1192
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: had this song. I may have fallen, but I'm not

1193
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: a failure, made bad choices, but he's still faithful. And

1194
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: when I cry thought hope had died, he convinced my

1195
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: heart to give it one more try. I will recover all,

1196
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: not just thirty sixty one hundred, I will recover all.

1197
01:06:54,280 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: And once I heard that, pancakes sat up, and then

1198
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: I started throwing stuff on like comfort Zone by Marvin Sap.

1199
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: I ain't coming out of my comfort zone. I'm being

1200
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: stretched because I was. You know again, we asked why sometimes,

1201
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: but he was like why not? I named you Christopher

1202
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: the crossbarl. What do you think You're going to bear

1203
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: a bucket? You're gonna bear a cross and that, and

1204
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: then I just accepted it, and I said, this is

1205
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: how I'm going to have to live and adjust for

1206
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: the rest of my life, because my life no longer

1207
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: had become about me. It was about what he had

1208
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: given me and what I would be able to do.

1209
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: And what's funny is, even in all this stuff, reflecting back,

1210
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: I had a company called Promised Land. For thirty years

1211
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: that was inactive. My email had been like I was

1212
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: having crazy epiphanies. My email had been CLW Christopher Lawrence Williams,

1213
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: the Lion of Judah. And this had been for decades

1214
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: and I never knew why. So then I started again.

1215
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: I had a lot of time on my hands. I

1216
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: started soul searching. I started being like, okay, I got

1217
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: to adopted by a family who lives in Farmville, Virginia, Virginia,

1218
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: the birthplace of America, the first capital, Richmond. I started

1219
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: doing studies of indigenousness, and then I just I just

1220
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: went on a crazy journey. Was like I know who

1221
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: I am. Now, I know exactly who I am. I

1222
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: don't talk about it a lot, but I know who

1223
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: I am. You know, I've talked about it to people

1224
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: that you know I'm around all the time. And that

1225
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: I started, and the creator just started sending me the

1226
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: greatest team of people that were like, I get your vision, yea.

1227
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: And even with Vincent though, you know, I pray for

1228
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: Vince because again I think that he's stuck in like

1229
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: this hot bubble time machine and narcissism and feliciousness is

1230
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: not it's not manly, you know what I mean. But

1231
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm no longer the person. I've learned to pray about

1232
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: a situation or be hopeful meditated on a situation rather

1233
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: than to react to react. Yeah, and so I you know, though,

1234
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: we you know, we did accomplish one thing together, and

1235
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: that was like what we set out was to say that.

1236
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: He was, you know, like I said, Man, I can

1237
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: come back after twenty nine years. I don't know to

1238
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: what level, you know, but I was like, you know,

1239
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: obviously you have reference points. And I was like, man,

1240
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: if I could just get halfway to where Uncle Charlie is, yeah,

1241
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: then we be all right.

1242
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 4: Are you back doing shows now?

1243
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? A lot of them, A lot of them. Going

1244
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: to Africa in October. Wow, for the first time in

1245
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: my career.

1246
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 4: You've never been over there, never.

1247
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: Been, so I'm looking forward to that. I started out

1248
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: at the hospital doing I Open after seven at the

1249
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: city winery. I'm now selling out two and three of

1250
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: them in every city and congratulates you know, gets that.

1251
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: And just getting back in shape, man, you know, like

1252
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: you talk about you gotta you gotta train and even

1253
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: now like I got to Atlanta last time, I got

1254
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: with this trainer of Pilate's trainer, I have to give

1255
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: people who rock oh man a lot of She's a

1256
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: pretty little girl, and I was like, well, this is

1257
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. I'm so scared of her whooping whooping

1258
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: me and beautifully. Yeah. So I'm trying to, you know,

1259
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: build my body back up. But I needed to build

1260
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: my spirit first and then my mind and now my

1261
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: body again. So I'm looking forward to this. And I

1262
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: don't even say like final chapter. I don't really feel

1263
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: like I'm in the fourth quarter, but I'm in. I'm

1264
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: in a due season that I'm supposed to be in,

1265
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: and I'm just looking forward to all of these new adventures.

1266
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: And it's fun now like when I get to run

1267
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: a the young artists or people that I would think

1268
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: don't know me, and they some of them don't know me,

1269
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: but they know a song or they know that movie. Yeah,

1270
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: and then there's a correlation. So, like I said, man,

1271
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm grateful, and it's been super super super cool.

1272
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 4: No, man, listen, we're glad you're back. Many seriously, ain't.

1273
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: Gonna do the top five.

1274
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 4: We're doing, We're gonna do, we do all of that.

1275
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I studied. I want to be

1276
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 1: all ready. I want to do the best I can.

1277
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: I want to before I started giving you the business,

1278
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, you know, going going through my health thing,

1279
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, and hearing you talk about

1280
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: yours coming out on the other side of that different.

1281
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: But you know, for me, it was just like, hey,

1282
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 2: the house still has to get built with whatever tools

1283
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 2: I have left. And it feels to me like you

1284
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: have this new fire and going through whatever what what

1285
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: you went through just gave you a different perspective on

1286
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 2: how to go about getting it done at this point,

1287
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 2: Like somebody asked me, somebody was asking me just about it,

1288
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: and you know how it was.

1289
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: I was like it was I didn't recognize.

1290
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: Me when I was going through it, but I said,

1291
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: you know, if it ain't killed me, they fucked up. Yeah,

1292
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 2: because now now I'm really at it right and that's

1293
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: what you gotta do, and that's what you gotta do. Yeah,

1294
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 2: And so you know, I'm I'm I'm grateful for you,

1295
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 2: and I'm encouraging you as well.

1296
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: Thank you. I can't none to stop you now. Yeah,

1297
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and agree with that one. Maybe

1298
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: maybe the at least she ain't got nothing to do

1299
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: with music what I'm supposed to be doing with my life.

1300
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just love the energy, brother, I love I

1301
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 2: love the conversation.

1302
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: I love the knowledge. I love the knowledge.

1303
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 5: Man.

1304
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 2: I think you know, brothers, we need to have these conversations.

1305
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 2: These these are the conversations that should be highlighted. This

1306
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 2: kind of information that's kind of pouring into and so

1307
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: lebration at the same time, like this is this is

1308
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 2: the goal, This is why we.

1309
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: Do this, do it? You know? This is the authorities? Yeah,

1310
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: on all things.

1311
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, because when you talk about that rhythm and

1312
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 2: that blues, they can't play with it. Everything and everything

1313
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: it comes along with that. People don't know what comes

1314
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: along with that. They can't play with it. Yeah yeah,

1315
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: try try. They know they know where.

1316
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: The fruits and berries come from, and the juices and

1317
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: berries the juices come on now. Yeah, yeah, you're back

1318
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: doing over there. Jesus test this young man.

1319
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:47,879
Speaker 2: Hey, you got phone chief she got.

1320
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: This almost feels like Superman music, right.

1321
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 8: And it almost looks like the smallest little piano evert

1322
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 8: that they got you in Atlanta where I can make

1323
01:13:59,439 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 8: it work.

1324
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 7: Brother Christopher Williams, you are related Yeah to.

1325
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: Some amazing musical entities.

1326
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: You, my friend, yourself have done legendary things in this

1327
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 2: music game.

1328
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: But now we want to know what we want to know.

1329
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 2: With all that you've seen, heard, all that you've been

1330
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: inspired by.

1331
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: What's your.

1332
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 8: Top five?

1333
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: Your top five?

1334
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 5: Top five?

1335
01:14:52,840 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: Your top five? Welling me saying guys all me song we.

1336
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 7: Got too now before you go get wrong this show.

1337
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 4: Everybody wants to know me.

1338
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: Yes, your top you to.

1339
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 9: Well the church said, yeah, I feel like you had

1340
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 9: a more chests.

1341
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 1: Definitely worked there.

1342
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you added more chest.

1343
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, even even the verse talking guy.

1344
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that.

1345
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: Mike Jackson aggressive Williams is an aggressive singing asked me up.

1346
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: That's a hard drink. I was. I was curious sitting

1347
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: there laughing because she tours with me all the time.

1348
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: She kis dropping next year and she's I know, She's like,

1349
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: that's hilarious because I always tell the story that I

1350
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: went in. They didn't know I was a baritone. Yeah,

1351
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: because I'm like, because a light skinned I sing more

1352
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: like Ella malor Bobby the bar one of the greats.

1353
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: And I was like, so he was like, well, can

1354
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: you do Michael Jackson. So I went in and I

1355
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: was like, I can't.

1356
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 4: Get it over the fact that I'm with you.

1357
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: And that's how the record came about. Wow, that's where

1358
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: they're aggressive, because I was, I was doing that don't knock,

1359
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: I was, I was trying to do Mike. I can't

1360
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: do Mike. But I was like, Okay, this is going

1361
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: to be the baritone version of Michael Jackson. And that's

1362
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: how exactly what it is.

1363
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 2: But that style made the song, and Stanley was genius

1364
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: for doing it.

1365
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: I just didn't know where we would get it from

1366
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: because again, in my mind, even attacking it like that,

1367
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I ain't never really you know. At

1368
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: that point I was Freddie and Luther were so hot.

1369
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll need one of them. You o

1370
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: my later? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like I

1371
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: need one of those. Stanley was like, relax, I got you.

1372
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: I said, So you want me to go in there

1373
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: and emulate Michael Jackson. So I was like it don't

1374
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: look at don't and don't got it, don't know, And

1375
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: that's how it came out.

1376
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's right though, it was it's you.

1377
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 2: He was genius.

1378
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: It's you. Represents you. And Davante said that to him,

1379
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: all I say. He was like, no, I don't. I

1380
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: don't want a pretty bitch. I don't want the bridge pretty.

1381
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: He said, I want you to put your church guts

1382
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: in the in the bridge. And that's how we got

1383
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: all I see. So I've had great guides. It's always cool,

1384
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: like you know, that's talents and see what this you

1385
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: know putting oil and vinegar or tarragon and basil together

1386
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: and what that comes out to be. So I've been

1387
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: fortunate to have those kind of experiences. I could tell

1388
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: you my top five, top five, tell your top five. Wow,

1389
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: this is tough, R and B. Toughest question ever. Top

1390
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: five R and B singers.

1391
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 4: Let's start the singers.

1392
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: It got to be. And even though I've never been

1393
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: able to really do his style because that I've never

1394
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: I've probably never studied that kung fu style. But Stevie

1395
01:18:52,640 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: Wonders definitely my top singer. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

1396
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: My musical father, Teddy Pendergram mm hmmm, pavar Razzi, Luther vandrews.

1397
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 5: Man.

1398
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 1: This is hard because you know what it really should

1399
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: be errors, but I know I can't. But because I'm

1400
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: a little older. I'm gonna say Aretha Franklin. And then

1401
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: my list is kind of obvious Whitney Houston. But there

1402
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: are substitute teachers. Okay, what you got because generations of it,

1403
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: I've got, I've got d Trained, Jeffrey Osmon, James Ingram,

1404
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 1: and then the girls, some of it, I'm not gonna lie.

1405
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: Some of the new girls like Jasmine Sullivan, fire is

1406
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: really a problem, has any error. And this is a

1407
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: real hard question for me because I honestly like a

1408
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: hundred at least one hundred vocalists. There's so much talent now,

1409
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's you, todde Bruno, Chris Breezy Mario,

1410
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: it's it's so many beautiful rainbows in this thing that

1411
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: but okay, I'm mess all right. And then you got

1412
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: your eclectic sounds like how do I leave Shade out?

1413
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: It's one of my top singers. So it feels this

1414
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: is you guys are beating people up with this question. Yeah,

1415
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: it's a great time. It's top five R and B songs.

1416
01:20:48,000 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: That's impossible. You can do it. Superstar their superstar man,

1417
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't even see. This is why I knew I

1418
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: would get stuck, top found arm Bi songs. I gotta

1419
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: pick a Lauryn Hill song, nothing even mad It's hand

1420
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: the Edge look very good, very good record, Fine China,

1421
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: mm hmm, my light skinned Musical Sun.

1422
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1423
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 1: I'd love to put me in a thing where it

1424
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: was like, you know again, how could you not? Who

1425
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: can say that Michael Jackson has not touched them? None

1426
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: of us? So again, even if that's not, you know,

1427
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: like we're flat footed, you know, especially, you know, like

1428
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to bust a move. I mean, I'm

1429
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,480
Speaker 1: busting one or two if I have to, but I'd

1430
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: rather stay in there and just sing. But who can

1431
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: say that they have not been touched by Michael Jackson?

1432
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: And then all those Stevie Wonder songs is like the

1433
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: man wrote a song called these three Words and every line,

1434
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: every sentence had three words. It's silly. That's not like

1435
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: when you can write songs like these things hurt like

1436
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: brand new shoes. You know again, we we have so

1437
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: much talent. I mean, I'm gonna be honest, my mama's

1438
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna get math me saying but when We Fuck is

1439
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: one of my favorite records ever because it puts you

1440
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: in a real, like I want to put on my

1441
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: double Timberlands and come out the shower. I want to

1442
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 1: put on the Chocolate Timblans, the Super Till everybody don't

1443
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: know if I only need nothing else but to shave.

1444
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: But in the Super Tims mother, and I'm looking at

1445
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: Angles already in the room like okay, yeah, but that

1446
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: record and body is in such a clever melody. So again, honestly,

1447
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: my little brother Carl Thomas, that some arrange you ah yeah,

1448
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: and you know we again, Johnny Gills my my album,

1449
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: even though me and Keith clown each other and we've

1450
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: we've you know, that's my man. But I guess you

1451
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: know you're from New York and you know I forgot

1452
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: that New York. Yeah, Keith is like, ah, that's my neighga.

1453
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: Fuck me. But that first record him and Teddy made,

1454
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: Not that Keith doesn't have other hits, but that first

1455
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: record was special, the record with Jackie McGee. So this

1456
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 1: has just been again. I guess I'm too old for

1457
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: this question, man, because again I can go on. I

1458
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: can go in every genre of music. Joasy Diary of

1459
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: a Mad Black Man. I'm dying of a mad band.

1460
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 4: That's about to say, you turned to a Tyler Perry movie.

1461
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: I don't like none of Tyler and I like his

1462
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: movies and his TV show, but I don't think he

1463
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: ever made a hit record I like, but he's good

1464
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: at picking out music and just proud of the fact

1465
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: that again we get to witness like somebody like him,

1466
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: that every door was shut, every door. But his belief

1467
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: was that I'm going to create this, like you said,

1468
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: with the tools that I possess. I'm not going to

1469
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: compete with him and him. I have nothing against the

1470
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 1: Hughes brothers or this person and these people make films,

1471
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: but I'm going to create Tyler Perry and I'm going

1472
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: to own it period. I'm going to be able to

1473
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: give Fox seventeen million back if you don't let me

1474
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: say Jesus and feel no way, I'm going to do

1475
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: all these things so I can set a precedent for

1476
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: young people, for younger people or people who are even

1477
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: his age, who are like trying to still figure out.

1478
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: There's a lot of benchmarks and creativity for us now,

1479
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. So I know I veered off the

1480
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: top five actually because I'm nervous of the question. Now

1481
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: he gave us five Yeah, because I probably gave you

1482
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: like five times.

1483
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 2: Go action, go act. Let's make a bowl trying. Okay,

1484
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: you're a super R and B artist where you're gonna

1485
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: get the vocal from performance style, styling of the artist,

1486
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 2: passion of the artists. Until she started writing songs. You

1487
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 2: know you're a writer. Who's who's gonna write for this artist?

1488
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 2: Let's start with one vocal for one you you want

1489
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: to build your super R and B artist, What vocal.

1490
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: Would you use it? Oh? Michael Jackson, yep, Michael hot today,

1491
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: he's selling out today, they made two Michaels don't got

1492
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: to even play no more. Jordan, don't play.

1493
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 2: He still right, that's a great vocal performance style, stage

1494
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: breezy Jesus mm hm.

1495
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: Three hours of just.

1496
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 2: Go go, go, go, all go, styling, the uniform of

1497
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 2: the artists, the drip.

1498
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw you in there. That's why I be

1499
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: trying to tell people. I like the fact that you come.

1500
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: You remind me of a prize fighter. You seem to

1501
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: attack your thing, like, Okay, I know I gotta have

1502
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: my music right, I know I gotta have my vocals right,

1503
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: But you come ready to fight. And I like that.

1504
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: I admire that, all of it. I like that, So

1505
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: I would say styling, I would throw tanking there. There's

1506
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: a couple other brothers that I like too, but I'm

1507
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: gonna throw I want you to be in there. That's

1508
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. See, it's a good thing. You

1509
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: made me burn all that other stuff I had. He

1510
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: had to burn it over? Would you be flying down?

1511
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 4: So I can't stop him now, I'm like, you paid

1512
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 4: what for the I'm not going with you.

1513
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 2: He literally walked in my closet and said, yeah, like

1514
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: everything from here on down, Let's burn it. He's like,

1515
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: trust me, but I'm performing that never again.

1516
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: Clothes. Okay, you got it right, I'm back. I'm back.

1517
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 2: The passion of the artists, part of the artists.

1518
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: Stevie d yeah, Steve yeah, yeah. And his he's an enigma.

1519
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: He can go anywhere in any direction. His passion is unmatched, unmatched.

1520
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:02,639
Speaker 1: Like it's a different kind of passion when you say

1521
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: there's a ribbon in the sky and you can't really

1522
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: see it. No, everybody think everybody's questioning that now.

1523
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 4: To right, That's what he's leading to because.

1524
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 10: He calls, oh g Stevie gonna whoop his ass one

1525
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 10: And I've been telling him this because he's he's keeping

1526
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 10: going about Stevie conceit a little.

1527
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: What does he say to you? What did he say

1528
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 2: you personally? Like we're supposed to do a song together.

1529
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,600
Speaker 2: I think he's waiting to get me, Like in a

1530
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 2: smaller room, he's.

1531
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: Gonna be like, turn the lights out.

1532
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 4: Told you you told me about Stevie's hands.

1533
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,520
Speaker 2: It's a detroit of possession in a really small room

1534
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: and work. And who's gonna write for this artist? You

1535
01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna throw Kenny?

1536
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, not, let's put baby fis not go business. That's

1537
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 1: the hell of an artist. Go been artists. They gonna

1538
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 1: come and shape, doing flips, flying in the air, doing

1539
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 1: three sixties pins, going from it. Don't till she's out

1540
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,759
Speaker 1: of my life to heal the world with Stevie's passion

1541
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: and Kenny's pen Jesus, I just went to see Kenny.

1542
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: This dude sing an hour of number one record. Yeah, yeah,

1543
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about number ones, not even the other songs.

1544
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 2: Listen, there are number ones like their hits, and then

1545
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 2: there are smashes. Yeah, he sings an hour and some

1546
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 2: change of smash he really does, and not all of them.

1547
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's different, and that's different.

1548
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: In different genres too. Yeah, when he did the Eric

1549
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Clapton song, I was like, see this is what I mean.

1550
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: What's the song we did the rock band? Uh, the

1551
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: fall Up Boy? Who's that?

1552
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 4: I forgot which one it was, but you definitely did.

1553
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: We rehearsed it.

1554
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: We were in rehearsal when we were doing tiny desk

1555
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: form and and they said you learned this. I was like, why,

1556
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: said I wrote that one? I said, you wrote what

1557
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: it's a rage?

1558
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: It's that's Kenny Rock, That's Kenny.

1559
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 2: I said you wrote that, I said learning And we

1560
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 2: ended up not performing it, but he was that that

1561
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 2: blew my mind.

1562
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: And it was really hard not to listen to occasions.

1563
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: So one of his records is one of the songs.

1564
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: Really hard because I've always been a Kenny fan. I

1565
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: used to go to the racetrack with Richard pry and

1566
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: Dick Griffy's just throwing it out there.

1567
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:55,520
Speaker 4: First was just that on Wednesday.

1568
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: What so Stacey was shooting moving with Richard Pryor and

1569
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: I started training with Richard's bodyguard, Rashan And that's the

1570
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: first time I ever had gone to a chicken house

1571
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,839
Speaker 1: and saw somebody kill and pluck and eat his own chicken,

1572
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is a wonderful life. I

1573
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, this dude is wow. So I get

1574
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: back to the movie the next day and him and

1575
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: Richard starts embracing me in a different way, because I

1576
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 1: think rich was trying to smash Stacy at first, but

1577
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 1: then you know, he was like, you know what, I'm

1578
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 1: gonna keep her in the daughter perspective because he was

1579
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: trying to pass Beverly Todd off, not like in a

1580
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: disrespectful way, but I was wondering, like they were playing

1581
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: a husband and wife and you know, I'm still knew

1582
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: to the game and virtually knew and but yeah, they

1583
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: invited me to the race track and I'm at Dick

1584
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: Griffy and he became a mentor, and that's where I

1585
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: really started learning the real nuts and bolts of the

1586
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: business room. And because Andre I loved Drake, but Dre

1587
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna teach you that. He'll gash you up and

1588
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: have you ready to make the most incredible music in

1589
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 1: the world. But one of the things that again we

1590
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I think it's a vulnerableness that we're scared of because

1591
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: our titles mean more than who we are to some

1592
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 1: of us. And one of the things that hurts me

1593
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: about Dre's life is that the things that he endured

1594
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: with all that except with that success wasn't fair. It

1595
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: wasn't business fair. You know, when you become Andre Herrel

1596
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: and you open up the seal of your one of

1597
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: your you know, mentor's deals and everything he has is

1598
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: cross collateralized, so you you people, So they start saying, well,

1599
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: he didn't do right by Mary, he didn't do right

1600
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: by half. No, y'all didn't do right by him. He

1601
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 1: was delivering these monster artists and you guys are still

1602
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: giving him these deals that you know he can't win it.

1603
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he'll never get he'll get Well.

1604
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: You can't even keep your book straight because they don't

1605
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: know whether that half a million got spent on Mary, Jodasy, Heavy,

1606
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Chris Father them See or somebody else. And at that time,

1607
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 1: Anthony Hamilton was dating Terry Robinson, who wrote Candy Coded

1608
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: rain Drops for sol for Real Cold. They didn't think

1609
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: Anthony was gonna be They didn't. They were treating and

1610
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: again it wasn't that they didn't think he was talented.

1611
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: It was hard then that if we weren't a big mac,

1612
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: the kind of big mac you're a custom to eating,

1613
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: they couldn't see somebody being uniquely them. And that's the

1614
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: thing that I mean about us having this inner standing

1615
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: and being able to love yourself so that you can

1616
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: be like that with the next person. The only competition

1617
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: you're looking in the mirror, you're looking at your competition.

1618
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: You spend all that time worrying about what this person doing.

1619
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: You can't reach your apex. It's wasting energy. So those

1620
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: are the things that when I did come out of

1621
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: the hospital, I said, you know what, if I could

1622
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: be in a position, even if just to educate by example,

1623
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: the look at this old dude who came back. He

1624
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: owns his masters. Now he's able to put out records.

1625
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 1: He knows how to hire, whether it's a Ken Wilson

1626
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: or Greg Johnson or Aj Savage or Lamont Hayes, or

1627
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: even regional radio people. You get the right publicists, whether

1628
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,719
Speaker 1: it's Simone Smalls or this person or that person, Rafael Blanco.

1629
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: The thing is you're like, Okay, I know what it

1630
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: is now to run my own infrastructure. We realize now

1631
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: that analytics play a part in it. But people still

1632
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: love the life. They want to be able to touch you.

1633
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: This is one of the beautiful things right here. You

1634
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 1: have the same people pay whatever to see you in concert.

1635
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: Watch you do this every day because they want to

1636
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 1: know more about you other than the guy who sings.

1637
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: And once you start talking and they start learning more

1638
01:34:54,880 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: about you, they're like, I f with him for with

1639
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,560
Speaker 1: him for life, and you know, and then there's a

1640
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: business person. It's always cool to be liked, but you'd

1641
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: rather be swiped hm hmm, because you you know, somebody swipes. Yeah,

1642
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: think come out to steal that.

1643
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 2: Bars swipe mean, I don't like meaning swipe white man,

1644
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 2: that is gone right now, every outlet I show up

1645
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 2: on don't like swipe men. Hold on, we got one

1646
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 2: more section for your brother cool. I'm really heavy into

1647
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 2: my Christopher Williams right now. Like my tone and how

1648
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 2: hard I'm singing this ship this. He understands me. You

1649
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. I ain't saying no nick, saying

1650
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: no names. Ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no name.

1651
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,759
Speaker 5: Was he was whitch?

1652
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: What you did? Don't say she like saying no name.

1653
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 6: So man, we had a very important part of the show.

1654
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 6: Will you tell us a story funny or fucked up? Yeah,

1655
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 6: we hear, we hear, Big bro are funny and fucked up.

1656
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 6: The only rule to the gang. It's Christopher Williams, the

1657
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 6: pretty nigga from the bank, the genius, the.

1658
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 2: Head man maning.

1659
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 4: Be the nigga that's bigger than me. No Brown, it's

1660
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 4: just bigger than me, No Brown. I can't say no names,

1661
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 4: can't say no names.

1662
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: I once was part of a record label with a

1663
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: famous rapper. We were supposed to open up an eastern

1664
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,679
Speaker 1: division of a really famous record label and one day

1665
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: we were malleable and I saw about twenty thousand dollars

1666
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: worth of Cuban cigars get split open and they rolled

1667
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 1: blunts with them. That's the funny part. The fuck the

1668
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: part is that I've watched a black empire discombobulate and

1669
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: crumble to the ground and it didn't have to hurt

1670
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: my feelings. That's my best story. And I can't say

1671
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: no names. No did it crumble because of the cigars?

1672
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 2: No?

1673
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 1: The cigars was the funny part, because again I was

1674
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: like yo, only only we do stuff like that. Yeah,

1675
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: only we do stuff like that in Malibude is probably

1676
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 1: fifteen you know, maybe fifteen million in cars sitting outside

1677
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: one of the greatest producers ever, one of the greatest

1678
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 1: West Coast labels ever. But the intent behind it, the

1679
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: spirit of the label, got lost, their greed and who's

1680
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: the boss and who's the chief? And we never wound

1681
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: up opening up the division. But even in that I

1682
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 1: learned a lot. But you know, again, so the other

1683
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: funny part is it's good to see that now that

1684
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: label has a great spirit and it's been revived by

1685
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: one of the integral parts of it. And it's been

1686
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: so great that it even has a young artist will too,

1687
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: but one that people are really embracing as the new

1688
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay.

1689
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 4: You said some names, and I'm sure people are going.

1690
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,600
Speaker 1: So I think everyone can connect the story if you

1691
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: think who right now is the new considered Marvin Gay. Yeah,

1692
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 1: and then you'll connect the other dots. And again you smoked.

1693
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,719
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is that none of the stars

1694
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: were opening up the cigars. It was it was the crew.

1695
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 1: It was the it was the overwhelming crew that was

1696
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: around this label. It wasn't like the you know, the produce,

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Speaker 1: the main producer, the Superstar rappers on this label. They

1698
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: were all just chilling, kind of hanging out. But you

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01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: see this kind of energy and that's the part that's funny,

1700
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: but at the same time leads to being sucked up

1701
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 1: being fun And I'm so proud that, you know, again

1702
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 1: this situation now has new breath, new water, and it's

1703
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: good to see that again. These things, these ebbs and flows,

1704
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 1: can turn the good once you get your mind set

1705
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: on the right stuff. So I'm definitely was proud to

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01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: be a part of that. I was scrutinized when I

1707
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: was going through it, but that was a funny And

1708
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: without naming names, I think some of the people at

1709
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: least that you know, went through it with me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my brother, Christopher Williams. We are grateful, brother. Thank

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01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:39,959
Speaker 2: You're grateful to We appreciate you, brother. Time is everything

1712
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 2: and and we value you're giving us some of yours.

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Speaker 1: Man, like really really dope, man. And this has been

1714
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: years in the making. Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, sure we were no strangers. We didn't slap

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01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 2: many of five, but like we love to do, we

1717
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 2: always want to give these flowers. Man, They're always want

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01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 2: to celebrate, celebrate. Oh geez, thank you man, you sell

1719
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 2: walk my flowers to h Yeah, you know, celebrate the

1720
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 2: guys that got us here for sure, and they put

1721
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 2: us in the conversation standing on the backs of yes

1722
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 2: we are, Yes we are.

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Speaker 1: You are one of those giants, brother, Thank you. I

1724
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: got word to do, but I appreciate this. Listen.

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01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep working. That's what we do. But in

1726
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 2: terms of what you've done, just know that we are offspring.

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01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 2: For sure, we are the results. It feels good to

1728
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 2: be part of the turnam man that ladies and gentlemen,

1729
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Speaker 2: my name is Tank. I'm Jay Valentine and this is

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Speaker 2: the r VY Money Podcast, the authority on all things

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Speaker 2: R and B. As my cousin Michelle will say, this

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01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 2: has been Christopher fine.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so Cheving. Thanks who are