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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature, a production of iHeartRadio. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and

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Speaker 1: evolutionary biology, and today on the show, it's Fashion Beak

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Speaker 1: or Week or whatever. We're slithering down the runway to

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Speaker 1: talk about high animal fashion from hats to outer where

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Speaker 1: does shabby chic? These animals are not born with it.

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Speaker 1: They have meticulously crafted their fashionable attire from elements in

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Speaker 1: their environment. To discover this and more as we answer

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Speaker 1: the age old question why aren't we fact checking SpongeBob?

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Speaker 1: Joining me today is the very fashionable and creative YouTube

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Speaker 1: essayist Maggie Mayfish. Welcome. Hello.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you don't fact check SpongeBob while.

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Speaker 1: You watch it, but I do, got your clipboard.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that it's funny when it's more accurate scientific accuracy. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it is hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Stephen Hilmberg, the creator of the show, I think

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Speaker 1: he was a marine biologist and he kind of made

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Speaker 1: the very typical career move to go from being a

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Speaker 1: marine biologist to a SpongeBob creator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had a nickel for every time.

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Speaker 1: There were some biologically accurate jokes in the show, but

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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss why they didn't always get it right. Now, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: you are a YouTube video essays. Your videos are typically

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Speaker 1: on film, but one thing I love about your videos

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Speaker 1: is your sense of fashion that goes with the theme

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Speaker 1: of the episode. So I feel like you are a

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Speaker 1: very good guest to have on this episode about animals

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Speaker 1: who make their outfits work for the situation.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait what I say stall the preview of

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Speaker 2: what we were going to be talking about today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they had such a glee in my heart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, So first we are going to talk about

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Speaker 1: an animal that loves to wear a fashionable hat. So

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Speaker 1: there are crabs called decorator crabs. You may have heard

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Speaker 1: of them. They are not one species, but a whole

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Speaker 1: variety of species who share one thing in common, a

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Speaker 1: love for fashion. They will stick materials to their bodies

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Speaker 1: for camouflage or to ward off predators. Today, we're going

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Speaker 1: to focus on one type of decorator crabs, the sponge

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Speaker 1: decorator crabs. These are decorator crabs who wear sponges so

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Speaker 1: they are they.

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Speaker 2: Pick them up with their with their claws without ripping

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Speaker 2: the fabric. You'd think he'd rip right through. I hope,

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Speaker 2: I hope that's in your notes, Katie.

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Speaker 1: There's clause. I do actually have a letter on exactly

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Speaker 1: how their clause works, so we will talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They they're called sponge crabs. There's a whole family of

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Speaker 1: them called Dromedae. There are over thirty species of sponge

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Speaker 1: crabs that live off of Australia's coastline alone, and many

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Speaker 1: others distributed near coral reefs. So there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of these guys. They're very diverse. Sea sponges are, of

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Speaker 1: course living animals themselves. They move independently as larva in

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Speaker 1: an early stage in their life cycle, but once they

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Speaker 1: mature they become completely sessile. That means that they stay

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Speaker 1: in one location for the rest of their life usually.

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Speaker 2: So it's like me, in my future retirement, I will not.

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Speaker 1: Be moving, Gonna get one of those lazy boys of

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Speaker 1: the future that you move around like a cross between

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Speaker 1: a lazy boy and a segue with cup holders galore. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but sea sponges typically don't move around, but as we'll

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Speaker 1: discuss soon, there is exceptions. Sea sponges are actually really

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Speaker 1: fascinating because they are unique in their cellular structure. Their

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Speaker 1: cells can freely migrate throughout their bodies and transform to

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Speaker 1: perform different functions. In this way, they have no organs

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Speaker 1: or organized tissues, just a bunch of cells going around

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Speaker 1: doing stuff.

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Speaker 2: What that's what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it works apparently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So when a decorator crab tears off a piece of

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Speaker 1: sponge and attaches it to its body, the sponge actually

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Speaker 1: remains alive and can continue to grow and eat. And yes,

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Speaker 1: sponges eat through many many mouths that they have, many

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Speaker 2: Suddenly sponge has got a lot scarier than that I

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Speaker 2: picture that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine in SpongeBob if all the

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Speaker 1: holes in the SpongeBob just have little teeth? They don't. Actually,

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Speaker 1: when a decorator crab tears off a piece of sponge

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Speaker 1: grow around and will make a sort of customized bespoke

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Speaker 1: little hat that perfectly molds over the crab's carapace.

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Speaker 2: Wow, why haven't we invented that yet?

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Speaker 1: Living clothing fabric that, yeah, grows around me. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I would love to have living clothing that perfectly forms

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Speaker 1: of like what they do in the Last of Us, right,

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Speaker 1: like like fungus that just grows around your body.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's pretty fashionable.

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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it scary or is it fashion?

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Speaker 2: Fashion can be very scary.

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Speaker 1: Our skin, our skin is kind of like that, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we do have skin which is sort of like

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Speaker 1: living clothing.

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Speaker 2: You know, the original clothing.

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Speaker 1: I think Maggie's trying to pull it off, which uh.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean pull it off as and make

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Speaker 1: it from her body and it's stop stop that. But yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just remove the skin, put it in the washer. That

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Speaker 1: is what we call exfoliation folks. So yeah, they will

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Speaker 1: carefully trim the sponge with their little claws, uh, put

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Speaker 1: it on their carapas like they're like their little tailor. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And they actually hold it in place with small specialized

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so wait they have two appendages. Is this

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Speaker 2: the only purpose for those legs?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Oh, they can't walk with them. They are the

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Speaker 1: legs that have evolved specifically to hold their little sponge

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Speaker 1: hats in place.

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Speaker 2: That's like if we had two hands growing out behind

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Speaker 2: our ears to hold.

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Speaker 1: To hold in place. I'd love one that would hold

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Speaker 1: when they bend over.

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Speaker 2: That's nice. Or one to hold up the umbrella for you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, an umbrella hand, this is what I've been saying.

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Speaker 1: And then your two hands can do other stuff. But

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Speaker 1: these crabs have it covered. They have specialized little back legs.

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Speaker 1: They can't walk on them. All they do is hold

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Speaker 1: that sponge in place. In fact, on the end of

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Speaker 1: those legs are two little tweezer like pincers that they

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Speaker 1: use to hold onto the sponge, just like the little

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Speaker 1: a hat. And it's interesting because some species of decorator

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Speaker 1: that living sponge hat. They can remove it, which is

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Speaker 1: important to say, Yeah, just so they can tip their hat,

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Speaker 1: Milady crustacean Uh, but this is actually so that they

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Speaker 1: they start to regrow new one, they actually take that

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Speaker 1: put it right back on themselves. So they that basically

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Speaker 1: they have one hat that they love. It's live, it's

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Speaker 1: like their friend, it's their buddy, and it helps protect them.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Do you think they have a little hat stand

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Speaker 2: that they pop it on shed the maybe yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: Like honey, I'm put on the hat stand outer breakout

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Speaker 1: of your entire exoskeleton. Yeah, but yeah, the sponge not

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Speaker 1: only is super fashionable and it is Maggie, can you

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Speaker 1: actually like tell the listener what you see in some

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Speaker 1: like they're from like a studio ghibli film of mister

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Speaker 2: They're like a furry bucket hats. All the rage of

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Speaker 2: the nineties and forever in the ocean.

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Speaker 1: They're coming. Bucket hats are back.

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Speaker 2: They're back. They're back so back that I think they're

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Speaker 2: about to be out pretty soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, get them quick, put them on and take it,

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Speaker 1: rip them right back off. But yes, they have these

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Speaker 1: and they're like these these crabs tend to be like

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Speaker 1: little ocean fairies. But yeah, this sponge will offer them

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Speaker 1: additionally help to deter predators because of their toxicity and

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Speaker 1: Let's test the the the hypothesis. Can I eat sponge

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Speaker 2: Like a car, like a car, ride on their new car.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they are, yes, I just I love these little guys.

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Speaker 1: They're so cute. Some of the species are like kind

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Speaker 1: little tiny faces. It's very very cute. Uh. Some species

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Speaker 1: not only wear sponges, but the crab themselves are fuzzy

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Speaker 1: aka the fluffy crab who looks so cute and cuddly.

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Speaker 1: I want to pet it. I don't think it'd want

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Speaker 2: It'd probably be terrified. Yeah, it's so fluffy. It looks

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Speaker 2: you can't hardly tell what's the amoebo and what's the crab?

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Speaker 2: Just little balls and it's so funy, poisonous one crab.

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Speaker 1: I would endure many pinches just to get a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a pet in on this crab. Maybe, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: what do you what do you think, Maggie, would you

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Speaker 1: wear one of these beautiful sponge bucket hats.

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Speaker 2: I feel like i'd wear the crab wearing the hat.

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Speaker 2: The crab is so cute. I feel like it's part

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Speaker 2: of the part of the aesthetic.

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Speaker 1: We could really get a chain going. So you're wearing

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Speaker 1: the crab wearing the hat, but you're in a car,

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Speaker 1: and then the car is on a.

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Speaker 2: Boat, and the boat's on a whale.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's end it.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, do you think it's like a I dream

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, this is blowing my mind, Katie.

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Speaker 2: That sounds nice. It's like on airplanes, I wear one

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Speaker 2: Just barely. That's all you need. You're in the air,

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Speaker 1: You know how air works. The higher up you go,

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Speaker 2: How do the octoput how do they keep the shell

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Speaker 2: Is it the suction cups like pulling it in? Like

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Speaker 1: Yes, they they're very dexterous, and they have those little

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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, this is wild. Growing up, I had a

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Speaker 1: And you had a not to put inside hang out.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's a emperor's new clothes.

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Speaker 1: I like to think that it was a king octopus

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Speaker 1: I've shared that gift with you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I could not tell what was going on until you

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's like did you ever when you were a

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Speaker 2: On a coconut and then a coconut serve van slid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's very cute, and it's something

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Speaker 1: But the trade off is that they're very squishy, so

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Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, it just occurred to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like wait, what if we didn't destroy all these beautiful,

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Speaker 2: That's true, that is what I want, Katie.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So we're gonna take a quick break and

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Speaker 1: when we get back, we're going to talk about another

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Speaker 1: animal fashion expert. So, Maggie, what is your opinion on

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Speaker 2: I am into it. I was much more into it

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, young, I mean like six this So that

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a it's a very valid aesthetic.

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Speaker 1: It is. I remember for my like dress up games,

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Speaker 1: I put every just putting everything on, like this skirt

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Speaker 1: like and then a two two over that, and of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a hat, stacker hat, put a hat, a hat

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember her name. There's this fashion designer

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Speaker 1: like very tattered and kind of look like clown clothes

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Do you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: I'm picturing so many different things my in my mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's called magnolia pearl.

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah yeah, yah yeahah yeah. This is shabby chic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's shabby chic. It's like and what I'm looking

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, if you do like that this look, and

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Speaker 1: If you just rolled around in a good will, I

436
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: think you could achieve the exact same look. Like close

437
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: your eyes and just do like a Tasmanian devil, spin

438
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: in a in a good will and you will actually

439
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: probably come out looking better in my opinion.

440
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, First of glue on your body glues, that's right.

441
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 2: When you roll around, it sticks.

442
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, the reason I bring this up on

443
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: an evolutionary biology podcast is that there is an animal,

444
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: a very small animal who loves shabby chic and comes

445
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: out looking, in my opinion, like a magnolia pearl look

446
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: actually probably better. So this is the green lacewing larva.

447
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: So green lace wings already sounds very fashionable, doesn't it.

448
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love green, I love lace, and I can

449
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: warm up to wings.

450
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm neutral about wings, but I could be convinced.

451
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other stuff I'll take.

452
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: So they are a family of insects with a larval

453
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: and adult form. The adult form looks actually kind of

454
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: pretty pretty innocent as well. It's a small, green flying insect,

455
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: no bigger than the tip of your finger. They are

456
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: slender and green in color, with long, transparent wings that

457
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: covers most of their bodies. And the wings are transparent,

458
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: but they also have these intricate, visible, veined kind of

459
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: structures on the wings, which is what gives them the

460
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: name lace wing because like, if you kind of look

461
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: at it looks a little bit like lace or something. Absolutely, yeah,

462
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: they're prettyful. Yes, these are actually good. If you spot

463
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: them in your garden, Like, don't freak out. They are

464
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: really good predators of aphids, particularly in their larval form.

465
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: So their adult form pretty cute, sweet, looks like little

466
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: lace fairies. But then their larval form, they definitely have

467
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: a bit of a glow up because they look pretty gross.

468
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: I shared you a picture of this larval form. It

469
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: is this. They are kind of like long almond shape

470
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: with eyelash like projections on their bodies, which are also segmented.

471
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: They've got this very fierce set of mandibles. They're kind

472
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: of a yellow and reddish brown. So they're they're not

473
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: fun looking. They're not they're not elegant.

474
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Nah, they look like they would be poisonous. I don't know,

475
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: oh if they are or probably not, but that's the

476
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: vibe gives off.

477
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they give the vibe of like this is an

478
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: alien that's going to crawl inside your worm and get

479
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: in your brain and control your brain kind of thing.

480
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, or like I'm radioactive.

481
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, but they are actually not dangerous for

482
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: people and they're good to have in your garden. They

483
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: are very dangerous for aphids. Their nickname is aphid lion,

484
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, they are absolutely terrifying looking but they're actually

485
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: quite shy, so they will do their best to dress

486
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: themselves in whatever they can find in order to blend

487
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: in with their surroundings. And so they will basically cover

488
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: themselves with anything that they find, including plant fibers, twigs,

489
00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: mosschen dead insects, and this helps the like it actually looks.

490
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I think it's an improvement honestly from when they're Their

491
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: nakedness is much more menacing looking than the outfits that

492
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: they throw together. And this is to protect them and

493
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: also to camouflage them so they can sneak attack aphits. Wow,

494
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: is that what.

495
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: Makes them such effective hunters? That they're carrying around their

496
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: own bush pretty much?

497
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: Heiden, They're like solid snake in the cardboard box they have.

498
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: This This outfit both protects them from predators, it camouflages

499
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: them from predators, and it camouflages them from their prey.

500
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: So it's really a triple threat and fashionables.

501
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: That's a quadruple threat.

502
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: And something unique about them is that because they will

503
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: basically throw whatever they can find on themselves, they're all

504
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: their outfits are unique to the individuals. So every outfit

505
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: that they wear is a new and unique work of art.

506
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: That this insect has created.

507
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, kiddy, I really don't like this.

508
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't like the way, but I think so far

509
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: this is we went from very cute to disturbing in

510
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: a way that I don't think I can. It's like

511
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: it's like if I was wearing another set of skins,

512
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: the vibes that's giving me.

513
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's essentially leather, isn't it.

514
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why I don't wear them.

515
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: You know, I only wear human leather.

516
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, when I get.

517
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: A sunburn, it's essentially human leather. So no, I mean

518
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: it is interesting. They do kind of look like a

519
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: trash pile, but that's intentional. And you can really see

520
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: sort of like some of them just like it looks

521
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: like they have like a white puffball on them, or

522
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: like weird little squiggly plant fibers. One is just like

523
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: covered in lichen. One has like orange plant fibers and

524
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: some dead spiders and like it looks like an empty

525
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: cocoon on it. Another one has a bunch of like

526
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: I think some spider web dead bugs on it. Another

527
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: one is just like a total mixture of like dead

528
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: bugs like in plant fibers.

529
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: O will Pellet.

530
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, does look like it might awesome doodoo feces on it. Yeah,

531
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: and so they you know, I guess it's a little

532
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: lavant guard. I understand it's a little avant guard for

533
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: some people's tastes. But it look if this is an art,

534
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: how is a Jackson Pollock art which basically looks like

535
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: bird doodoo?

536
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: It does look like bird totally.

537
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Looks like it looks like bird doodoo, like after birds

538
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: ate some skittles. Oh my god, I like it. I'm

539
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: not saying I don't like it. In fact, I like

540
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: it because as it looks like bird dodo after a

541
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: bird aids, since.

542
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: You're describing a beautiful scene. Absolutely it evokes.

543
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: It evokes rainbow bird poo poo. But yeah, so they

544
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: have so many varieties of outfits, and I understand that

545
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: this phase of their life is awkward, maybe not so cute.

546
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: But we've all gone through that phase of fashion in

547
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: our lives.

548
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: We've all tried shabby chic and realized that it just

549
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: makes your house look kind of old a little bit,

550
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: which is sometimes good but sometimes not what you're looking for.

551
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've all, all of us have gone a little

552
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: too far with boho, but like I have if I

553
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: can be vulnerable. I did for a minute in college

554
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: wear skirts over pants. Wow, yeah, I know, you're so cool. Yes,

555
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: cool is what I want. My thinking was, it is like, well,

556
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't want, like what if someone can see my

557
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: underpants when I'm wearing the skirt, so I need the

558
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: pants under the skirt. But the skirt is good, so

559
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: I should wear pants under the skirt.

560
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: They put that fear into you as a young feminine person.

561
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: That's right, any moment, any show it, any moment.

562
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: Any moment, someone could see my SpongeBob underpants and we

563
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: can't have that messing.

564
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 2: Yes, so it all costs.

565
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: So to metamorphosize into adults, they actually wrap themselves in

566
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: a small, white egg shaped cocoon, and once they are ready,

567
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: they will cut their way out of the cocoon, managing

568
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: to slice open the top of it and emerge in

569
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: this adorable and fashionable entrance. It's actually really cute because

570
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: they make a very like, actually precise incision off the top.

571
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: It looks like you took an exacto knife and just

572
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: cut away the top of this little cocoon. And then

573
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: the top of the cocoon it's like, for a minute,

574
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: it's like their little hat that they're hatching out of.

575
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: It looks like a cartoon chick, like perfectly popping out

576
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: of an egg, except that it's a bug.

577
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: That's a pokemon right there.

578
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: It is a Pokemon. Look at it, durable, it's a

579
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: Pokemon in like an oval shaped poke ball. It's so cute.

580
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: It's like that top comes off like a Ukrainian egg, like.

581
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Very yeah, or like a Faberge egg, like just like

582
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: hinged right off. It's it's very cool. And even lace

583
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: wing eggs have a bit of style, so they are

584
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: laid so that they're attached to a leaf or a branch,

585
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: but instead of being just laid directly on the surface,

586
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: they are delicately balanced on top of a long, thin stock,

587
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: so they actually look like these tiny, strange round flowers.

588
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I almost asked if the photo is upside down,

589
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: because surely they're hagging.

590
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: No not yeah, no, they're just like they're just hanging out, well,

591
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: hanging up, hanging up, and uh, it's very it's very

592
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: strange and alien looking. This is actually to protect the

593
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: eggs from ants who would happily consume the eggs of

594
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: the lace wing, particularly because ants and aphids have a

595
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship, so ants don't necessarily like lace wings eating

596
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: their little uh domesticated aphid herd. But this is the

597
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: technique that the lace wing has to protect them from

598
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: being eaten by ants.

599
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, very political, it is.

600
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: It is, you know, honestly, when you zoom in on nature,

601
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: it gets very political. There's a lot of there's a

602
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: lot of sort of you know, inside baseball going on

603
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: negotiation negotiation forums. I've used all the political words I know.

604
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Uh yea, But yeah, if you see these in your garden,

605
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: you should leave them be because the little hatchlings, those

606
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: horror looking little things with a terrible sense of fashion,

607
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: we'll eat aphids, white fly, and other small garden pests.

608
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: In fact, often they're available commercially for people to put

609
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: in their gardens because they's such a it's not just ladybugs,

610
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: it's also these guys that help you keep pests out

611
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: of your garden without using pesticides.

612
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely remember these guys flying around my dad's garden.

613
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, they're very cute. But I had no idea

614
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: they they have a whole idea. Seen their final form yeah.

615
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: They have a very awkward teenage phase.

616
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not a day to tell me about I'll

617
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: always be awkward mal.

618
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: All right, Well, before we go, we gotta play a game. Maggie.

619
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Do you want to play the Mystery Animal sound game.

620
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I've been practicing.

621
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Just like listening to random animal sounds. Yeah. Yeah, call

622
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: me part of my meditation, the soothing call of uh

623
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: a whale, powler, monkey, howler monkey. So, last week's mystery

624
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: animal's sound hint was this, Please chew with your mouth closed, Bruce.

625
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: All right, Maggie, did you hear that? Yes?

626
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: I initially I thought it was like a panda eating

627
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: bamboo until it made that other noise.

628
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

629
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: Baby, I want to say, like cricket, a cricket, but

630
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: it can't be a cricket. It can't be a cricket,

631
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: and it almost sounded like a bird. But I guess

632
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: I'll say cricket.

633
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: That's not right. Sorry, you lose, you get dunk in

634
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: the tank. But yes, this is a young gray headed

635
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: flying fox from a bat rescuer. So this one is

636
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: from a bat rescuer on YouTube named Megabatty. This little

637
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: baby bat is talking with her mouth full. She is

638
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: squeaking angrily at something while chewing down on some fruit.

639
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that all makes so much more sense. I love bats.

640
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: If I could have a bad as a pet, I would.

641
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not recommended on account of the rabies and

642
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: so on and other zoonotic diseases, but I agree. I

643
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: feel like if I could get like one, sort of

644
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: like free pass for a pet with like no negative consequences,

645
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: no ethical concerns. Bat is definitely a top contender, especially

646
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: a flying fox, because their faces are so cude. Oh

647
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: they look they look like little I don't know. They

648
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: have the faces of a cute little Chihuahua and then

649
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: the body of an amazing weird flying animal.

650
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, my cousins had a sugar squirrels.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh sugar letters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and I was like that, but a little

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Speaker 2: bit more goth.

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Speaker 1: A little more goth. Yeah yeah, No, I like the edge,

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Speaker 1: I like the edginess. But yeah. So. Gray headed flying

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Speaker 1: foxes are huge megabats found in Australia. They're actually the

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Speaker 1: of over three feet or around a meter, so you know,

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Speaker 1: wing tip to wing tip they're pretty big. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: eat fruit, but they will also eat nectar and pollen,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes they're cute little faces get covered in yellow

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Speaker 1: pollen dust. It's very cute. It's like they're trying to

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Speaker 1: eat a powdered doughnut. They get powdered sugar all over

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Speaker 1: its face, except that it's pollen, which is which is

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Speaker 1: great for flowers because then if they move on to

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Speaker 1: another flower, they will then pollinate that flower.

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Speaker 2: Spread it out. So the entertainment for the evening, if

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Speaker 2: you will.

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Speaker 1: So onto this week's mystery animal. Sound the hint. I

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Speaker 1: hope it doesn't have a sore throat. That would be

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Speaker 1: a doozy. Oh, Maggie, got any guesses?

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Speaker 2: Whoa? I mean, it sounds huge, so it'd be hilarious.

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Speaker 2: If it's really small, it's the most set I wish. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm jed I would be able to hear it coming.

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Speaker 2: I got five times.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah, they love me. I

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Speaker 1: don't love them back.

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Speaker 2: If I had a guess, I would say toad because

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Speaker 2: I don't want to think it's a giant.

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Speaker 1: Interesting guess. Well, we will find out on the next

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Speaker 1: episode of Creature Feature. If you think you know who

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Speaker 1: is making that sound. You can write to me at

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Speaker 1: Creature Featurepod at gmail dot com. You can also write

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Speaker 1: to me with questions and I try to answer them

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Speaker 1: either on the show in special listener questions episodes, or

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Speaker 1: I'll just reply to you or try to telepathically answer

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Speaker 1: your message. Let me know if that were.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I just got one.

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks, Uh it's like Katie, this is just a

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Speaker 1: picture of a hamster butt exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It answered everything I.

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Speaker 1: Asked, Maggie. Thank you so much for joining me. Where

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Speaker 1: did people find you?

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for letting me come on and

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Speaker 2: learn about Really, I got some fashion types I felt like,

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Speaker 2: So this was good for me.

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Speaker 1: Thinking. I can tell you're rethinking the lace wing fashion fashion.

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Speaker 1: It's warm, it's warming up to it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I am. Right after this. I'm gonna buy a

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Speaker 2: fuzzy bucket hat hopefully made out of a living other

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Speaker 2: crew the Ship of the US.

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Speaker 1: Those were a thing, Yeah, the furry bucketing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, pink fuzzy. I had one with like clouds.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I was ever actually cool enough to

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Speaker 2: wear it because they were like so.

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Speaker 1: In yeah cool girls. Yeah No I I I didn't

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Speaker 1: wear the pink fuzzy bucket hats myself, just just the

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Speaker 1: skirts over jeans.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that other cool.

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Speaker 1: Very cool.

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Speaker 2: It was very cool.

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Speaker 1: I I think Charlie's there on more at once, so obviously,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Charlene, I love her. And you can find

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Speaker 2: me online on YouTube just at my name maganete Fish,

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Speaker 2: and I guess on the other websites. Definitely, on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: kind of on Twitter, I don't really. I love my cats.

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Speaker 2: Look at my Twitter at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's I'm saying, it's like a slow

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Speaker 1: It's like a slow and magnificent train crash on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm cheering it along. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 2: ever seen like a parade that starts like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: just Domino.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people falling over Yeah yeah, it's yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll be in that parade just falling over

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Speaker 1: the next person. But yeah, yeah. I actually just very

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Speaker 1: very recently started a TikTok because apparently that's a whole

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Speaker 1: that's a whole thing. So I'll be doing animal related

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Speaker 1: content on TikTok. My TikTok is Katie Golden, just k

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Speaker 1: a t I E G O L D I N

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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a little baby, I'm a widow baby

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Speaker 1: on it. I've only posted like twice, but yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you want to check that out, I'd be so grateful

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much to the Space Cossics for

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Speaker 1: their super awesome song XO. Lumina Creature features a production

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Speaker 1: where have you listened to your favorite shows? D next

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