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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. Jmac went

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Speaker 1: out on the town last night, watched the Seahawks with

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Speaker 1: a friend. A lot of energy, a lot of energy,

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Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I try never to be a Homer.

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Speaker 1: I try not to be. It's hard, you know, you

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Speaker 1: grow up with certain teams. But Arroyo, JSN, Kenneth Walker,

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Speaker 1: Sam Arnold defensive coach, and I do think they have

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Speaker 1: as good a GM as the league has outside of

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman. I see Seattle, I see a lot of talent.

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Speaker 1: I see a super Bowl capable team. I do after

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Speaker 1: that performance last night, making your Super Bowl bubble pick

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Speaker 1: look kind of sharp?

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Speaker 3: Huh, kind of did so?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no greater example of where you land

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Speaker 1: matters than Sam Darnold, USC, Jets, Carolina, Especially Jets and Carolina.

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Speaker 3: They asked him at.

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Speaker 1: A very young age carry the franchise the last two stops,

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Speaker 1: good coaches, good roster. Suddenly he's elite, and oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's elite. Last two years, he's tied for the most

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Speaker 1: wins in the league by a quarterback. He's tied for

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Speaker 1: the most game winning drives with Patrick Mahome, and he

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Speaker 1: leads the NFL in big plays. And this is the

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Speaker 1: second youngest offensive roster. So he's doing it with kids.

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Speaker 1: Rookie tight end jsn the rookie from Colorado State Walker

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Speaker 1: is still young though he's doing it with kids. So

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Speaker 1: people say, well, at the end of last season, he

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Speaker 1: got blown out. I've seen Mahomes get blown out in

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Speaker 1: two Super Bowls. I love Lamar Jackson. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: freeze in the headlights multiple games in the playoffs. If

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Speaker 1: you look at what have the Jets and the Panthers

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Speaker 1: done since Sam Darnold left, they remain pathetic. Sometimes winners

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Speaker 1: in life can't elevate every loser.

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Speaker 3: High school.

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Speaker 1: He was a winner, USC Rose Bowl, he was a winner, Vikings,

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Speaker 1: He's a winner. Seattle, He's a winner. Nobody can help

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Speaker 1: the Jets and the Panthers, so like not everybody can elevate,

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Speaker 1: elevate everything. Four straight seasons with better coaching. Oh, his

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Speaker 1: When he went to New York, he was ridiculously young.

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Speaker 1: He was twenty one years old, and he wasn't ready

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Speaker 1: look at this young roster, and I think it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: We know, oh, Green Bay is a really young roster,

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Speaker 1: He's grown with these guys. So Jordan loves young. The

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Speaker 1: Donald keeps bouncing around to teams everywhere he goes. It

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Speaker 3: It worked.

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Speaker 1: Now he goes to Seattle, the opposite their kid's second

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Speaker 1: you the leadership. You know, I was thinking about this

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Speaker 1: last night watching him. I actually think Donald has great intangibles.

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Speaker 1: And I've always said this about Dak Prescott. I don't

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Speaker 1: better tangibles. Both have great intangibles. They're loved by teammates,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just look at Sam Donald

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Speaker 4: Sam's playing out of his mind right now.

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Speaker 3: And you see him.

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Speaker 5: He's just like just I guess, such a cool customer,

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Speaker 6: He's just so determined for us to be a great

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Speaker 3: And he's doing a great job leading us. He certainly is.

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Speaker 1: And I said yesterday I put the Seahawks in the

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Speaker 1: this week judging the best front offices in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you can argue that John Snyder is as good a

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Speaker 1: all I see with Seattle is they just don't miss

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Speaker 1: he's elite. So I was watching Kyler Murray last night.

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Speaker 1: I have defended Kyler Murray from his first day in

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Speaker 1: He's not terribly verbal. I feel like sometimes he feels detached.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like he's obsessed with football, but I

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Speaker 1: they're totally in sync. And I always watched Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's the fifth longest ten year quarterback

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Speaker 3: Fifth, who's he close to? Who's he connected to?

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching last night and again I've defended him

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Speaker 3: One of the guys.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of times, I'll watch politicians and I'll

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Speaker 1: been pretty good in close games. Why is Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: And I just don't know if he's a unifier. He

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Speaker 1: always feels detached. He's not a lead us over the

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Speaker 1: hill when games get close. When fit hits the shan

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Speaker 1: in life, people aren't looking for talent, They're looking for guidance.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think the body language, the head shaking.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 1: I will defend him and have defended him. Talent, no question,

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Speaker 1: He's the best slider.

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Speaker 3: In the league.

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Speaker 1: He's got a beautiful ball, he move and giving the

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Speaker 1: baseball background has helped him in football. But Baker is

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Speaker 3: Like, guys, get on my back.

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Speaker 1: I'm leading the way. You can see it with his

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Speaker 1: body language. And then I watched Kyler Murray It's just

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Speaker 1: like it's just sort of talented. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't feel like that he's like a unifier in this league.

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Speaker 1: I mean that game last night, they all doesn't it

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Speaker 1: feel like they all end like this? How many games

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Speaker 1: this year have like ended on the final drive Seattle

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Speaker 3: That's the league.

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Speaker 1: It's about unity and connectibility and how close you are

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Speaker 1: and who's going to lead us over the hill. And

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Speaker 1: that's the Darnold walks into a brand new club with

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Speaker 1: JSN and Arroyo and Walker.

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Speaker 3: And the coaching staff. And Kyler's just really talented.

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Speaker 1: I mean, his career record when trailing by ten points

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Speaker 1: he's not playing well, I feel like he just shuts

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Speaker 1: it down. I never feel that with Baker. Baker's a

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Speaker 1: great come from behind quarterback. I think Kyler's got more

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Speaker 1: talent than Baker, I really do. But Baker is fighting

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Speaker 6: Wasn't I wasn't clicking, was not clicking. You know, pretty

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Speaker 6: to make more place. We got to Goshal be ready

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Speaker 6: to go, you know what I mean. It's like we're

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Speaker 6: just floading, you know what I mean. And it's taking

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 6: Obviously there's the resilience of the team is you love

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Speaker 1: You know, there is there a team in the NFL

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Speaker 1: that always has good players, is in a ton of

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Speaker 1: close games and just doesn't win a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: more than Arizona. And I think sometimes you got to

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Speaker 1: say well, who's the quarterback, who's the guy taking the

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Speaker 3: It's not a lack of talent.

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Speaker 1: So J Mack, you have been bailing on Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: for a long time, and there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: reports that he's not obsessed about football and whatever I do,

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Speaker 1: I think he is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. He's certainly good.

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Speaker 1: But it was that was one of those games where

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Speaker 1: I don't know just the body language, the mannerism. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like when he trails, he bails,

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Speaker 1: and I think he can't do that as a quarterback.

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Speaker 5: That's not a great moniker to slap on him, but

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Speaker 5: that sounds accurate. Another part of the handicap yesterday, Remember

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Speaker 5: I really like Seattle. Kyler just can't do anything against Seattle.

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Speaker 5: I think he's lost like six or seven in Rowe,

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Speaker 5: some ridiculous number. He just can't generate offense. Now, it's

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Speaker 5: obviously not all on in The offensive line was bad.

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Speaker 5: I think he got sacked six times. But I just

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Speaker 5: need to ask you, Colin. When Josh Allen runs Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Think Baker Mayfield's a great example that dude plays hard.

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Speaker 1: Baker plays with a chip on his shoulder down twenty seven,

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Speaker 3: All Right, here we go. It is a Friday. We

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Speaker 1: It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 1: may be listening. Thank you for making house part of

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Speaker 1: your day. J Mack, I thought this was the strangest

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Speaker 3: You love the Lakers. JJ Reddick got a contract extension.

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Speaker 3: Happy for him. I like him.

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Speaker 1: Didn't think he had a great playoff series at all,

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Speaker 1: I think they were very intentional Offensively, I thought he

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Speaker 3: So I didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he won fifty games, he deserved credit, but

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Speaker 1: was like knocking down the door to get JJ Reddick.

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Speaker 1: But he got an extension yesterday after kind of a

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I don't think even JJ Reddick would acknowledge.

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Speaker 1: I think he would acknowledge it was not a good

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Speaker 1: playoff series for him. Remember that weird experiment where he

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Speaker 3: They were gassed in the next game.

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Speaker 1: And it had never been done before, so it took

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Speaker 1: a big swing, it backfired, and they gave him an extension.

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Speaker 3: Is that not WEIRDE?

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Speaker 5: Come on, let's lay off JJ rad He's a good guy.

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Speaker 5: He loves chat GPT, which I use a lot. I'm

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Speaker 5: using a lot for NFL gambling the season con There

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Speaker 5: is unbelievable info on there.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: JJ Reddick uses it. It's got to be good enough

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just thought usually how as season ends dictates how

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Speaker 1: regular season, Come on, I mean they stole Luca in

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Speaker 1: Like it was kind of a clunker against Minnesota. Took

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe maybe it's new ownership. Obviously they

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Speaker 3: It tells you.

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Speaker 1: They liked the new skinny Luca, they like Reddick. Because

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Speaker 1: it seems like my guess on why the Lakers did this.

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Speaker 1: They are doubling down on Luca and JJ Reddick, it

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Speaker 1: being the future, not Lebron. They're saying all the right things.

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Speaker 1: Rob Pulink is like, oh, I hope he ends his career.

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Speaker 1: Ownership is sending a signal to Lebron. This is JJ

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Speaker 1: Reddick and Luca's franchise. They're saying the right stuff on Lebron.

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Speaker 1: But what they're doing is Lebron, you're our third pitch.

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Speaker 4: Ac sends over words.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and That's my guess is that new ownership is

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Speaker 1: not going to send messages. It is a Luca team,

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Speaker 1: and I've told you I think Luca this year ends

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Speaker 1: And Lebron's going to be watching a lot of basketball

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Speaker 1: and one end of the floor not participating. All right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: they have the best week. I got some bad breaks. Undeterred.

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Speaker 1: Here's our blazing five.

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Speaker 2: Let's blaze it up.

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Speaker 3: Fired it up.

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Speaker 2: It's Collins Blazon five. H Kings versus Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Favorite bet on the board, I'm gonna take Minnesota minus

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Speaker 3: A run game.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why this line is only minus two

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Speaker 1: a good underdog team. They'll play like their hair's on fire.

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Speaker 1: But I think Minnesota twenty seven to twenty covers here.

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Speaker 1: Better staff, better offense, better defense. I'm a better road team.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Panthers aid Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the over forty three and a half. I

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Speaker 1: don't get the number. Listen, the Patriots outplayed the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: They just kept coughing it up Drake May. In the

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Speaker 1: The problem for them is they don't have a pass rush.

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Speaker 1: They're allowing the most big plays. So for New England

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Speaker 1: to win, they gotta win. They gotta score some points,

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Speaker 1: and I think they will because Carolina's defense, they don't

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Speaker 1: a very comfortable Drake May, who's gonna have time at

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Speaker 3: The weather's not an issue. The bad weathers out of town.

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Speaker 1: You have two defenses that don't get after the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and two quarterbacks when they're not pressured, who can complete

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Speaker 3: I think it's this. I think we get points in

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Speaker 3: this game. Three New England wins take the over.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young last week completed sixty seven percent of his throws.

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Speaker 1: If he's got time, he does that.

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Speaker 2: Colt sid rants.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good spot for the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay off a disappointing close loss, they come back home.

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Speaker 1: They have the second highest grade by PFF of.

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Speaker 3: Any team in the league.

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Speaker 1: Frams are a really good team that dominated Philly in

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Speaker 1: Philly for a half.

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Speaker 3: Pooka and Devonte.

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Speaker 1: Adams have been outstanding, the best receiving tandem in the league.

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Speaker 1: And the defense leaves the NFL in sacks. So Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones and he has a good old line, is gonna

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Speaker 1: face real pressure. The offense last week for the Colts

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Speaker 1: came back down to earth a little. They were two

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Speaker 1: for eight on third down. They weren't very good and

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Speaker 1: their defense has major holes on the back end. This

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Speaker 1: is not a great Colts defense on the back end, Pooka,

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Speaker 1: Tyron Williams, Matt Stafford McVeigh. At home, I think they

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Speaker 1: look much more comfortable. They beat the Colts thirty four

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Speaker 1: to twenty four. Thirty excuse me to twenty four. This

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Speaker 1: is a good spot for the Rams at home against

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Speaker 1: an average beaten up secondary.

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Speaker 3: Take the Rams.

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Speaker 2: Bears in Raiders.

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Speaker 3: I like the Raiders. They're a slight favorite. I like

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Speaker 3: the Raiders. Gino Smith.

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Speaker 1: Do you know this leads the NFL in big past plays,

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Speaker 1: second in passing yards only behind Justin Herbert. When Gino

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Speaker 1: has time to throw often this year he hasn't. He

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Speaker 1: can sling it, and I think it's the great opportunity

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Speaker 1: to get the running game going. The bigger story here

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Speaker 1: is we're concentrating on Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson for

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Speaker 1: the Bears defense has not been good and they're a

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Speaker 1: terrible road team, one to eight on the road last

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Speaker 1: nine games. Caleb has been bad on the road. The

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Speaker 1: Bears have been a bad road team, and their defense

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Speaker 1: is allowing six point seven yards of play. We're not

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Speaker 1: talking about the fact that the Bears defense is opposing

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are completing seventy five percent of their throwes against

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Bad road team. The Raiders come back

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Speaker 1: home trying to establish some offensive dominance up front against

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Speaker 1: the team. I think they'll run the ball on I do.

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Speaker 1: I think Jenti has a breakout game. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take the Raiders to win it. Twenty seven to twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Bengals and Broncos. Okay, Broncos are coming off two rough

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Speaker 1: road losses. They lost both games when time expired. Denver's

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Speaker 1: got the much better defense. Denver's got the better head coach.

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Speaker 1: Denver's got tremendous personnel up front. Defensively, I mean to

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Speaker 1: have the second best red zone defense, so even when

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Speaker 1: you get down into the red zone, it is hard

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Speaker 1: to get touchdowns out of Denver. They lead the NFL

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Speaker 1: in sacks. They also get their tight end, Evan Ingram back.

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Speaker 2: This is big.

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Speaker 1: This is big because Vonnicks hadn't have been great throwing

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Speaker 1: the ball deep this year. They've missed on big plays.

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Speaker 1: So Evan Ingram is in that twelve to fourteen yard space.

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Speaker 1: Big for Denver's offense. The Bengals worst rushing attack in

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Speaker 1: the league. Putting more pressure on an average quarterback Jake Browning.

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Speaker 1: They don't do a lot well offensively. You see the screen.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver is an undervalued team with a much

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Speaker 1: better roster against the shaky O line, an excellent pass rush.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver controls the game. Bo Nicks, by the way,

495
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Speaker 1: not great in September last year. Finally Clicks thirty twenty.

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Speaker 1: They cover the spread. Take the Denver Broncos so once again,

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Speaker 1: looking at our picks, I like favorites this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Vikings good road team.

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Speaker 1: I think they have the better staff, better weapons, better

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Speaker 1: run game, and playing better defensively. Minnesota to cover Panther's Patriots,

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Speaker 1: I think score points. I'm surprised at the O only

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Speaker 1: forty three and a half. The weather's cleared. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great spot for the Rams to cover. I

504
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Speaker 1: don't like the Bears on the road. I can't go crazy.

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Speaker 1: Bears are probably the worst road team in the league,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take Denver so. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: I think the one team in the league that's actually

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Speaker 1: really really good that hasn't looked like it is the

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos So. Bow Knicks last year was really bad

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Speaker 1: in September. Bow Knicks this year hasn't been good in September.

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Speaker 1: What a coincidence. Drew Brees his worst month as a

512
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Speaker 1: Saint was September. Why My theory has always been, Sean

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Speaker 1: Peyton puts a lot on your plate. And in Drew

514
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Speaker 1: Brees's last three or four years in New Orleans, starters

515
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Speaker 1: don't play in the preseason. Bow Nicks didn't taking a

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Speaker 1: lot of snaps in the preseason, and Sean Payton puts

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Speaker 1: a lot on your plate. And I think it takes October, November,

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Speaker 1: and December for Breeze and bow Knicks to get their

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Speaker 1: arms around the playbook. Sean Payton's career record in September

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's five hundred, thirty and thirty. The rest of

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Speaker 1: his career in October on is fifty and seventeen. So

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Speaker 1: Sean Peyton and his quarterbacks do not play well in September,

523
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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Sean Payton an all time coach, five

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Speaker 1: hundred in September, Drew Brees average in September. Drew Brees

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Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks of all time. So I

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Speaker 1: think as we get closer to the end, you get

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Speaker 1: a very weak defensive personnel in Cincinnati. They can't run

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Speaker 1: the ball third and longs. I think they popped this weekend.

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Speaker 1: And here was Sean Payton on the early struggles of

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Speaker 1: bow Nicks.

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Speaker 9: Just keep firing. You know he's going to hit plenty

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Speaker 9: of those. One of the things that's a gift is

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Speaker 9: his off schedule throws. So you just want to be

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Speaker 9: careful how much you tell. And then I think part

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Speaker 9: of it is when you when you settle into certain plays,

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Speaker 9: there's a rhythm to you know, the mechanics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there are things that are not a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton never been a great September coach, which goes

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Speaker 1: against everything. Drew brees all timer worst month was September.

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Speaker 1: Bo Nick suddenly wish Sean Payton really struggles in September.

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Speaker 1: Now you're saying to yourself, well, it's still September. I

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Speaker 1: believe this is a great spot. Extra day, you know,

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Speaker 1: they get the extra day at prep. They're at home,

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Speaker 1: high altitude, beat up defense for Cincinnati this game, I

545
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Speaker 1: think they click and they looked apart. I think this

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Speaker 1: is the last really special team in the NFL that

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Speaker 1: hasn't looked special yet. For the record that that Colt's game,

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Speaker 1: they had one, they rekicked and lost Chargers game. Couple

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Speaker 1: opportunities missed on big opportunities downfield. All right, Dave want

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Speaker 1: stats around the corner on the Bears, on USC, on

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: That's next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noone Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of times, especially in pro football,

556
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Speaker 1: because you've got a billionaire owner and a coach making

557
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Speaker 1: between nine and a half and fourteen and a half million,

558
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Speaker 1: and you've got a quarterback making three hundred million, there's

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Speaker 1: you know, we all know who's got the power in

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Speaker 1: the NFL.

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Speaker 3: It's the owner, it's the star coach, and it's the

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Speaker 3: star quarterback. GMS. Howie Roseman is a total exception.

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Speaker 1: Even John Snyder almost threatened to leave Seattle as one

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Speaker 1: of the top personnel guys unless he got more power,

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Speaker 1: and then Pete got pushed out. So in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: we know who has the power in the league. Like

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Speaker 1: in college football, the coach has it always the coach

568
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Speaker 1: has it, or the big donor has it. But in

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Speaker 1: the football, you know, there's an old business saying a

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Speaker 1: problem well defined, is a problem half solved.

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Speaker 3: The bigger issue in the NFL isn't who has the power.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know with the Chargers it's the owner,

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Speaker 1: the Spanos family, Jim Harbaugh and Herbert. Herbert just doesn't

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Speaker 1: use it. But in the NFL a lot of times

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Speaker 1: it's not who has the power, it's what's the problem.

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Speaker 1: You have a problem when people can't agree on what

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Speaker 1: the problem is. You know, the coach didn't he wasn't

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Speaker 1: hired by the GM Like in Chicago right now, everybody

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Speaker 1: thinks the problems. Caleb Williams, I would argue the problem

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Speaker 1: with the Bears is the ownership and the executive suite.

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Speaker 1: I think the quarterback's really talented, and I think the

582
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Speaker 1: coach is really smart.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can't get agreement.

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman has so much control in Philadelphia, he will

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Speaker 1: decide what the problems are and he will address them.

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Speaker 1: I think with Kansas City, you know, we know everybody

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Speaker 1: can agree what the problem is because Brett Veach is

588
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Speaker 1: a good and Andy Reid's a brilliant coach, and Mahomes

589
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Speaker 1: is one of the greatest ever. We just know it's

590
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Speaker 1: a personnel issue. On offense. They've missed on a couple receivers.

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's old and expensive. Mahomes is expensive and receivers

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Speaker 1: a hard position to draft. Even when they got it

593
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Speaker 1: right with Rashid Rice, he does something that's not very

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Speaker 1: smart and now.

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Speaker 3: He's suspended for six games.

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Speaker 1: And then you get Worthy and he's really good, but

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Speaker 1: he's small, runs in the Kelsey and he gets hurt.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of canvas of these issues are we

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Speaker 1: know who has the power, and we know it's not scheme.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to just everybody in the room

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Speaker 1: has to go. Our problem is here, we don't have

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Speaker 1: good enough players. Dave Wantstett has a belief on how

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Speaker 1: to correct it, but again I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: have the personnel to correct what Dave Wantstett, who was

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Speaker 1: our guest earlier has as a solution.

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Speaker 10: That Eagle Super Bowl when they were behind by ten

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Speaker 10: at halftime and Mahomes was limping, and they came out

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Speaker 10: the second half, and what did they do. They ran

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Speaker 10: the ball with Pacheco, remember, and that's how they won

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Speaker 10: the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: They ran the football.

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Speaker 10: I thought that that would Andy Reid would get back

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Speaker 10: to that more. What's the easiest thing to do to

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Speaker 10: help your quarterback run the ball, and they just haven't

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Speaker 10: really made a big, in my mind, a big commitment

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Speaker 10: to running the football.

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Speaker 1: And my question is, well they let Joe Toney go

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Speaker 1: they couldn't afford Joe Toney. Well, Joe Toney has made

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Speaker 1: the Bears better up front and had his loss is significant.

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Speaker 1: So I mean for the record, when I mean, you

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Speaker 1: could probably go look this up. When Toony left the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: their own line wasn't as good, and Tony left the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and their own lines not as good. And the

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Speaker 1: Bears all line this year is better than last year.

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Speaker 1: So when you have one of the you know, one

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Speaker 1: of the two or three best interior blockers in Joe Toney,

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Speaker 1: a tough guy, a smart guy, a leader, I don't

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Speaker 1: think they can run the ball. I think Kansas City

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Speaker 1: this weekend, if you gave me three points, I would

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Speaker 1: take the Chiefs at home at two and a half.

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Speaker 3: Stay away.

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Speaker 1: But I mean right now, the Kansas City Chiefs leading

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Speaker 1: rusher is Mahomes and that's the problem. They don't want

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Speaker 1: that to be the case because Mahomes more than once

635
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Speaker 1: in his career has got banged up and he's limping around.

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Speaker 1: He's not one hundred percent. I mean Jalen Hurts had

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Speaker 1: that for about a year before Saquon Barkley. You remember

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Speaker 1: that before Saquon Barkley. Jalen Hurts felt like he was

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Speaker 1: planning about eighty percent for two years. And then they

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Speaker 1: get Saquon Barkley. And now Jalen Hurts feels like he's

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Speaker 1: been healthy for a good year and a half two years.

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Speaker 1: So they don't want Mahomes to be the leading rusher.

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Speaker 3: I think I just don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's sustainable to have your quarterback as

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Speaker 1: a leading rusher. I don't think they want it, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's And this is not a knock.

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Speaker 3: On the GM.

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Speaker 1: You pay the quarterback, you and and and they've also

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Speaker 1: you got to pay Chris Jones. Kelsey gets paid, Mahomes

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Speaker 1: gets paid. They didn't want to let go of Joe Tooney.

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Speaker 1: That was not what they wanted to do. Watch their games.

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Speaker 1: There's no jews. You watched Seattle last night. You see jews.

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Speaker 1: I mean even Arizona. I see players. I just don't

654
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Speaker 1: see the leadership. So that's where we are. You know,

655
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Speaker 1: j Mack, I haven't ask you your NFL picture at

656
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Speaker 1: the end of the show. I generally take the home

657
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Speaker 1: team in college football, and they're two good teams. I

658
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Speaker 1: think the interesting one to me is Ohio State and Washington.

659
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Speaker 1: So Washington is unranked, they should be ranked, but they're unranked.

660
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Speaker 1: Ohio State's number one at Husky Stadium's an advantage. What's

661
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Speaker 1: sneaky about that game is Julian say In, the quarterback

662
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Speaker 1: for Ohio State, is young. He has never played on

663
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Speaker 1: the road in this environment. He played Texas, but he

664
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Speaker 1: was at home. He's a very good, great high school player.

665
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Speaker 1: It's just hard to see an unranked team beat the

666
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Speaker 1: number one team in the country. And Ohio State's got

667
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Speaker 1: the recruiting and the nil rolling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me ask you, Colin.

669
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Speaker 5: That Ohio State win over Texas at the moment initially

670
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Speaker 5: looked great.

671
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Speaker 4: What about in hindsight, Texas has been middling against Directional

672
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Speaker 4: State University the last like three weeks.

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Speaker 5: Do we know if Texas is that good? Well, again,

674
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Speaker 5: I'm not bashing Ohio State at all. I'm just starting

675
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Speaker 5: to question that Texas went in the same way LSU

676
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Speaker 5: Clemson like that. LSU wouldn't look great now it's like

677
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Speaker 5: Clemson ain't great, what's the big deal?

678
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Speaker 1: No, I mean, Ohio State running back room was much

679
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Speaker 1: better last year. They were much more explosive out of

680
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Speaker 1: the backfield last year. There's no question. I think Ohio

681
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Speaker 1: State was a much better team last year. I also

682
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Speaker 1: think a lot of the complimentary offensive players get drafted,

683
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Speaker 1: like Ibukau and now Smith, the superstar wide receiver. Teams

684
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: are much more capable of doubling him and bracketing him.

685
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Speaker 3: You couldn't last year.

686
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Speaker 1: You had him on one side, the freshman you have

687
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Speaker 1: a book. On the other side, you just they're just

688
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: and they had an unbelievable backfield, so you couldn't cheat.

689
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Speaker 1: I mean last year when you played Ohio State, you

690
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Speaker 1: could not cheat. Like it was just first rounder on

691
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Speaker 1: that side, first rounder on the other side. Two elite

692
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Speaker 1: running backs, experienced quarterback. O line got banged up, but

693
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Speaker 1: it was good. So it was a hard team to

694
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Speaker 1: face even if you had Tennessee athletes, if you had

695
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Speaker 1: Texas athletes, Ohio State was hard to face last year.

696
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Speaker 3: You couldn't cheat. They're not as dynamic in the backfield.

697
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Speaker 3: Ibuka is a big loss.

698
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Speaker 1: He would be for any program, so They're talented, but

699
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Speaker 1: they don't feel as dynamic. And now they send a

700
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Speaker 1: very young and experienced quarterback in one of the loudest

701
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Speaker 1: venues against the Washington team that's gonna drop twenty eight

702
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Speaker 1: points on everybody in the country. So that is a

703
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Speaker 1: to me, that is a fascinating game. I just historically,

704
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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a number one team over an

705
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Speaker 1: unranked team. But Washington's about as good as you can

706
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Speaker 1: be to be unranked in college football. Yeah.

707
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Speaker 4: By the way, is it going to rain, because I

708
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 4: know all it does in the Northwest is reign.

709
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Speaker 3: Is it going to rain at that wide he's not

710
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Speaker 3: in the slow down?

711
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Speaker 4: Hey, by the way, we went to Seattle last summer.

712
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Speaker 4: It's amazing. I love that city.

713
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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer big noon kickoff. He's at the USC Illinois

714
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Speaker 1: game tomorrow and he is joining.

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Speaker 3: Us now live. Okay, So let's just ask you.

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Speaker 1: I anytime you go into a game with a young

717
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Speaker 1: quarterback into a hostile environment, a coaching staff generally thinks,

718
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Speaker 1: all right, let's get him some early, easy completions.

719
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Speaker 3: Let's not put them in weird environments.

720
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Speaker 1: But that kind of plays into Washington's hand because Washington's

721
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Speaker 1: gonna come into this thing with big swings. They've got

722
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Speaker 1: an NFL elite receiver, an unbelievable quarterback, a star running back.

723
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Speaker 1: So I would at Washington, they're gonna their take is

724
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Speaker 1: going to be so we're not beating these guys without

725
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Speaker 1: taking big swings. Ohio State may do the opposite and

726
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: let's bring it in, let's slow it down.

727
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Speaker 3: And that could get the crowd riled up. I mean,

728
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Speaker 3: do you are you worried for.

729
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Speaker 7: Ohio State in the spot? I'm worried about the early

730
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Speaker 7: part of the game. And I would always tell teams

731
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Speaker 7: going into that the mindset is that as a prize fight,

732
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Speaker 7: you're going to take some brutal shots or only in

733
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Speaker 7: the game just because the crowd, and you have to

734
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Speaker 7: understand the hotspots. The hotspots are third downs, the hotspots

735
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Speaker 7: are red zone and then punt and field go. That's

736
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Speaker 7: when the stadium becomes electric. But the best thing to

737
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 7: slow down to the stadium and calm down the stadium

738
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Speaker 7: is to sustained drive. So I always tell our players,

739
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Speaker 7: and I said this early in the Texas game for

740
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 7: arch Manning as well, get two first downs.

741
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Speaker 3: That's your job as a quarterback.

742
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Speaker 7: That way you automatically flip the field and you can

743
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 7: slow everything down a little bit, but they'd make a

744
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Speaker 7: mistake that just come out guns blazing in this game.

745
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Speaker 7: In my opinion, let this let the game slow down

746
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Speaker 7: a little bit.

747
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Speaker 3: How do you do that? Sustained drives?

748
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Speaker 7: And I don't think defense Washington's defense is that great,

749
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Speaker 7: so I think they can do come out of the

750
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Speaker 7: game a nice ten play drive. Crowd goes away in

751
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Speaker 7: the second quarter.

752
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Speaker 1: I think people Buka is such a great player now

753
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Speaker 1: he's in the NFL. Last year, you had two elite receivers,

754
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Speaker 1: two elite backs. I think your quarterback had more experience.

755
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: Ohio State doesn't quite look like it quite has the

756
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: offensive juice.

757
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Speaker 2: Is that fair?

758
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Speaker 7: I think they're still coming along, Carnell tait I said,

759
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 7: And that's the number two receiver for Ohio State. That's

760
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 7: the biggest question mark because he got all the skill

761
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 7: set you need to be a high draft pick and

762
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 7: to take some pressure off Jeremi Smith. But Jeremi Smith

763
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 7: had the perfect scenario. Last year. He had at Mecha.

764
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Speaker 7: On the other side, he had two great running backs.

765
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Speaker 7: Those are all gone. So it still remains to be

766
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Speaker 7: seeing because Texas like I heard you say earlier, how

767
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Speaker 7: good is Texas in the last three games?

768
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Speaker 3: To me were just warm up games. We're going to

769
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Speaker 3: find out here in Seattle.

770
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk to USC and Illinois. You know,

771
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Speaker 1: you and I talked years ago about this US. He

772
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Speaker 1: got small and then the nil came and I think

773
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Speaker 1: joining the big ten. Lincoln Riley looked at his roster

774
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Speaker 1: and said, Okay, Michigan Pentake, we have to go buy size.

775
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Speaker 1: And I got to tell you Urban their defensive front

776
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Speaker 1: for the first time since Pete Carroll. They got five

777
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Speaker 1: or six guys that are big. Now a couple of

778
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Speaker 1: them are freshmen. But do they look different to you,

779
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Speaker 1: at least just physically look different.

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Speaker 7: Wellin two seconds after turning on the film, I actually

781
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 7: called their line coach, Zach Hanson. Zach Hanson, I believe

782
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Speaker 7: his name is Yeah, and he's terrific, and he said that.

783
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Speaker 7: He said they had a staff meeting and the focus

784
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Speaker 7: of recruiting went from obviously great skill, that you still

785
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 7: need that, but they realized against Penn State, Ohio State,

786
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 7: the Wolverines, etc. You're going to get punched in the face.

787
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Speaker 7: You better get big. This is the biggest and most

788
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Speaker 7: NFL draft picks in the offensive line that they've had,

789
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Speaker 7: probably since of Pete Carroll air like you just said,

790
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Speaker 7: on the defensive side. So completely different looking team. And

791
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Speaker 7: I want to add this, I was talking to Matt

792
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Speaker 7: Leiner about this. A physical offense line changes your program.

793
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 7: How practice is different, the weight room's different, the way

794
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 7: you approach the games different. If you're a finesse team,

795
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 7: your program becomes finesse, and obviously that gets you only

796
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Speaker 7: so far.

797
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Speaker 1: For the record, you know, people look at Lincoln Riley

798
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Speaker 1: and think, oh, he loves to pass, But if you

799
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Speaker 1: go back to Oklahoma, he ran the ball all the time.

800
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Speaker 1: I think when I've watched every snap of every almost

801
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Speaker 1: every snap this season in US see, I think they're

802
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Speaker 1: a run first team.

803
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Speaker 3: What do you see?

804
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Speaker 7: There's no doubt that's exactly And you're right about Riley.

805
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 7: He you know, he comes across as an air raid guy.

806
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Speaker 3: He's not.

807
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Speaker 7: I call him a spread coach, a spread option or

808
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 7: a spread coach wants to run the pound the ball

809
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Speaker 7: first and that opens everything up. So Lincoln Riley, I'm

810
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Speaker 7: telling you, this is a This is a playoff looking team.

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Speaker 5: To me.

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Speaker 7: The other ones were not playoff looking teams. They were

813
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Speaker 7: fast teams that that scored points. They were not a

814
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Speaker 7: playoff team.

815
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Speaker 1: So Oregon's going to Penn State. So Oregon has not

816
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Speaker 1: Dante More, the quarterback has played, you know, Stanford, Arizona,

817
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Speaker 1: San Diego State. He never played in the stadium like this.

818
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Speaker 1: This thing is nuts. You played in this stadium and

819
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: Oregon's young. Are you concerned they get a little overwhelmed

820
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Speaker 1: in this spot against the Nidney Lions.

821
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've said Penn State overtook LSU to me as

822
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Speaker 7: the number one most difficult place I've ever been in

823
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Speaker 7: wide out at night. It's choreographed, it's it's a must watch.

824
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Speaker 7: It's something that you need to see this. And he

825
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 7: has never been in this You're right, And I taught coach.

826
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Speaker 7: Lanny called me this week and he heard me talk

827
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Speaker 7: about State and as I grew as a coach, the

828
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 7: thing you need to do is practice. And I mentioned

829
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Speaker 7: to the SECO is the stadium is not always loud.

830
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Speaker 7: It's loud during third downs.

831
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Speaker 5: So what do you do?

832
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Speaker 7: You practice that or you come up with some kind

833
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Speaker 7: of scheme. We would do tempo that means you go

834
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Speaker 7: real fast on third down. And not let the crowd

835
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Speaker 7: get into it. The other thing is red zone.

836
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Speaker 3: What do you do?

837
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Speaker 7: You go put those speakers right behind you in the

838
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Speaker 7: red zone of practice so you're ready for it.

839
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Speaker 3: And then the other one.

840
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Speaker 7: We lost a game there in two thousand and I

841
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 7: think sixteen fifteen fifteen, I believe, and that was because

842
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 7: we've got a field goal blocked. And that's another hotspot.

843
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 7: So again, third downs, red zone, field goal and punt.

844
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Speaker 7: Those are when the stadium becomes unglued, you better practice it.

845
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was thinking about you this week.

846
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Speaker 1: I thought Mike Dunny was a good coach, but he

847
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: didn't pivot very well on nil and Dabbo similarly, I

848
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: think it's a very good coach. And I've said this before,

849
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Speaker 1: you know, Bobby and I didn't want to do one,

850
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: and done Zevsky initially didn't, then he embraced it. Is

851
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: that nothing ruins or punctures brilliance like rigidity and stubbornness.

852
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: And I look at Dabo and I watched them against

853
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: Syracuse last week and I my only takeaway was they've

854
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: got a few really high end players, like defensively, but

855
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have the depth of athlete

856
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: of Ohio State or Penn State, and they haven't gone

857
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Speaker 1: into the transfer portal, and everybody thinks her.

858
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Speaker 3: But if you go to the transfer portal, it's just

859
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: to get five star guys.

860
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's to get another slot corner or a second

861
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Speaker 1: tight end. I just didn't feel Clemson was talented like

862
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: LSU talent at Ohio State. What do you think their

863
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: problem is?

864
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 7: So I talked to Dabbo before the season and he

865
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 7: made a comment to me, this is a national championship

866
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 7: calaider team. He felt there was depth, he felt that

867
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 7: he had a Heisman candidate, a quarterback. It's still early.

868
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 7: I got a feeling they're going to find a way

869
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 7: to run off a bunch of wins at a you know,

870
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 7: kind of average acc and they kind of get things organized.

871
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 7: But you know, you mentioned Mike Gundy as well. I'd

872
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 7: put those guys in the same category because to me,

873
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 7: Mike Gundy was untouchable. He is Oklahoma State. But Tulsa

874
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 7: goes in here and beats them. Nelson, that guy becomes touchable.

875
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 7: So Dubbo, I'm not ready to that ship's not going

876
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 7: to say. First of all, Dablos Sweeney's not going anywhere.

877
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 7: I think Klempston comes back. Maybe it's not one of

878
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 7: his best teams, but it's certainly good enough to at

879
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 7: least compete for ACC championship.

880
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: Finally, Urban Meyer and I'll see him tomorrow on Big

881
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: Newon kickoff, I said, I always thought the Big ten

882
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: was top heavy, but it wasn't good enough at quarterback.

883
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: It wasn't quite as fast as I'd like it.

884
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: It needed a little spice. The jumbaliye I need a

885
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: little spice. I think Oregon, Washington, Jedfish, USC they really

886
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: it was a perfect mesh. It's forced the West Coast

887
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: teams to get bigger and buy size, and it's made

888
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: the Big ten fast, creative, fun better quarterbacks. I mean,

889
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe how well it's worked. Are you surprised

890
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: by Listen? Oregon won the conference last year. I think

891
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: Washington this year is going to be very dangerous.

892
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: USC is back. Did you think it would be that

893
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: it would work this well?

894
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 7: No, I thought that PAC twelve would kind of come

895
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 7: into conference and get pushed you around a little bit.

896
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: That's not what happened.

897
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 7: I think the PAC twelve teams before you mentioned that

898
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 7: elevated the Big Ten right now. I did something on

899
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 7: Urban Analysis on the Big Ten Network that it's the best.

900
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 7: There's seven quarterbacks right now I think are the best

901
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 7: that I in my lifetime. The depth of quarterback position

902
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 7: in the Big Ten is better than it's ever been.

903
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 7: The style of play now the bottom of the Big

904
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 7: ten's bad. There's some really bad teams at the bottom.

905
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 7: But I'm telling you what, this is very SEC Looking

906
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 7: back when the SEC you know there's much more depth.

907
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 7: You got Indiana. I think the Illinois team just they

908
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 7: got hammered a little bit. They're still a good football team.

909
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 7: And this is with Wisconsin and Michigan. State's still going

910
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 7: through a rebuild. Once those teams get back, if they

911
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 7: do get back, I mean the Big Ten conferences. I

912
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 7: think it's a no more conference for college football. Urban Meyer,

913
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 7: Fox Sports college football coach.

914
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow. Can't wait to see you. Call

915
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: it all right, Urban Meyer, a friend, uh and just

916
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: a terrific work for us.

917
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Husky Stadium, Oregon. On the road at

918
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: Penn State, Urban said's the hardest place. Now it's surpassed

919
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: l s U and USC down the road Jmack.

920
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: With the news.

921
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: No, no, this is the Herdline news.

922
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 5: All right, big guy, let's get started with Lamar Jackson Colin.

923
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 5: He's been one of the few break spots for a

924
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 5: Ravens team that is one and two.

925
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Uh.

926
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: Obviously, he was runner up to Josh Allen last year

927
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 5: for League MVP. Entering this weekend's matchup against the Chiefs,

928
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 5: Chris Jones spoke about Lamar Jackson.

929
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 11: Any playing a game, he can, he can change the name,

930
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 11: mix of it. So you know, with him, it's always

931
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 11: tough to play. I guesst somewhere and about Timore RAVEI

932
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 11: it's you know, stopping Lamar's one. Ain't trying to contain

933
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 11: him as another. And over the years you look how

934
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 11: prolific as a passer he's become. I think he's completing

935
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 11: seventy percent of his passes, which I think he should

936
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Speaker 11: have won MVP last year.

937
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: Have so much respect for him, Yeah, you know, many

938
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: many people did.

939
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 5: Maybe it's just me, but did you not think Lamar

940
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 5: seemed uncertain against Detroit in the pocket, he seemed to

941
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 5: do a lot of pump fakes and next thing you know,

942
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 5: he's on his back because Aida Hutchinson and company were

943
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 5: breathing down. I don't know what was going on, but

944
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: if I were looking at props, I would be targeting

945
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson over rushing yards.

946
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 4: This feels to me right, high profile game against Mahomes

947
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 4: and the Chiefs. Lamar's like, I ain't letting us lose, guys.

948
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 5: I'm going down swinging and I'm doing everything I can,

949
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 5: and that probably means with his legs.

950
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: I don't like the Chiefs linebackers either. Find out. Let's

951
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: move on now.

952
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: This is spicy.

953
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 4: I gotta choose my words carefully. CJ.

954
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 5: Stroud and the Texans offense has struggled through the first

955
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 5: three games, by the way, dating back to the last

956
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 5: in they're just five and nine in their last fourteen,

957
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 5: averaging only nineteen points per game. So Diana Russini was

958
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 5: talking about CJ. Stroud and if you listen closely, Colin,

959
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 5: we have a percolating situation in Houston.

960
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 12: They are still trying to figure themselves out on offense.

961
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 12: They have a new play caller, they have a different

962
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 12: looking offensive line. I still think they're they're working some

963
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 12: kinks out. So he's still good.

964
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: I'm not on this. I'm not in the camp.

965
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 12: He's rooting his opportunity here to get some mega extension.

966
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 12: I still think CJ. Stroud can play. I just think

967
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 12: there's still a lot of work to be done and

968
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 12: there's some there's some things going on behind the scenes

969
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 12: that that that I think we're going to find out

970
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 12: about soon.

971
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: Oh that is spicy.

972
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 5: Okay, again, I gotta choose my words carefully because I

973
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 5: don't want to start a brush fire.

974
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: We don't have a lot of evidence here, Okay. That

975
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: being said, there was a weird article in the New

976
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: York Times this.

977
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 5: Week about is CJ. Stroud playing his way out of

978
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 5: an extension? And we would laugh at that, right, Like,

979
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: come on, CJ. Shroud, he's great.

980
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: So he shares an agent with Michaeh Parsons. Colin and

981
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 4: c J.

982
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 5: Stroud and Michael Parsons really were buddy buddy a couple

983
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 5: summers ago, hanging out a lot after Stroud's great rookie year,

984
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: and Michaeh Parsons had an interesting end to this offseason, right,

985
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: he kind of got in an argument with Jerry Jones

986
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 5: and forced his way out of town and was traded.

987
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: Do you think c J. Stroud is long for the Texans.

988
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: That's really interesting.

989
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to start something.

990
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 5: We don't know what's going on, but Russini hinting stuff

991
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 5: behind the scenes. They are on their new offensive court

992
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 5: in remember they dumped the guy last year slowick their

993
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 5: offensive line is what's going on here?

994
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: Stroud playing poorly?

995
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: You think CJ. Stroud is locked in in Houston?

996
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: I not after your two minutes segment there, no.

997
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: So he uh you know he's from California, right, Oh?

998
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: Rams maybe seeking another quarter of the I don't know.

999
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 4: I mean, would you think he'd love to play with McVeigh?

1000
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: Very interesting.

1001
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not trying to start something, but.

1002
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: McBay McVeigh does like pocket quarterbacks, He like golf, he

1003
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: likes Stafford. C J.

1004
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: Stroud he didn't need he likes you to run his play.

1005
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: Rands have a couple more extra draft picks, don't they.

1006
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: Ooh, very now you're onto something two ones for CJ. Stroud.

1007
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 4: It's gonna cost more than that.

1008
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: But uh, I know not when he's coming off back

1009
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: to back bad.

1010
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: Seasons and Texas are not moving off in that easily.

1011
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 4: But it's just a fun story. I thought I put

1012
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: out there Jamie.

1013
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: J.

1014
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: Mack with a news.

1015
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

1016
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: herd line news.

1017
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean, does C. J.

1018
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: Stroud get more than two first round picks? I don't

1019
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: think not off back to back bad years.

1020
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: I don't think so. If he's off great years, it's

1021
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: worth three and a five.

1022
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: But if you're off bad to back back to back

1023
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: bad seasons, you're not winning games. You're not getting three

1024
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: first round pick, two first rounders in the same draft.

1025
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 5: Well, I remember Snead was able to pull off the

1026
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 5: golf swap for Stafford. Obviously there would be no swap here.

1027
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 5: But uh, the fact that Michaeh. Parsons got traded because

1028
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 5: nobody thought we were good, they were gonna trade him

1029
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 5: and he shares an agent with Stroud mildly interesting. And

1030
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 5: now Houston fans are probably very upset with us.

1031
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: But don't be mad. Be mad at you.

1032
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything, all right, Jmack around the corners

1033
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: got his pick ses the hurt