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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the A Girl Podcast. I'm here

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Speaker 1: with my friend Sophia, the stunning, gorgeous model. Your makeup

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Speaker 1: looks insane.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Beyonce's makeup artist just did it.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. Do you feel like Beyonce?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I can't even come close to her,

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Speaker 2: but I do feel like a little smitch of her.

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Speaker 1: You were Beyonce's stunning without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So you're a model and you're an incredible artist. But

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Speaker 1: walk us through your modeling journey. Hence why you had

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Speaker 1: your makeup done by Beyonce's makeup artist. But take us

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Speaker 1: through your modeling journey and how you got started.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so out of context, Yeah, it is kind of

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Speaker 2: like a random little tippit there. But today I had

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Speaker 2: a really cool makeup and hair test for the Sergio

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Speaker 2: Hudson Show which is tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: But it was definitely a long journey to get here,

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Speaker 2: a very very long journey. I am now twenty two

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Speaker 2: years old, and I don't think I've hit my peak.

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Speaker 2: I think hopefully I haven't hit my peak.

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Speaker 1: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 2: There's still so much out there. But I started modeling

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Speaker 2: officially I think when I was fifteen, and prior to that,

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Speaker 2: I was like a child, but I had submitted to many,

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Speaker 2: many agencies across the United States. I think at the

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Speaker 2: time I was fourteen when I was looking for agencies,

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Speaker 2: and I always was very persistent and optimistic. I still

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Speaker 2: think I'm the same way now. And at the time

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Speaker 2: I told myself, I was like, it's really a numbers game.

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Speaker 2: I think everything in life is a numbers game. And

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Speaker 2: I told myself, if I make a list of every

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Speaker 2: agency in America that will take a fourteen year old,

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Speaker 2: what are the odds that I don't get an agency?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I love that mindset.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did, and I ended up getting a

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Speaker 2: mother agency at the time. Now, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: she wraps anyone outside of Minnesota because I had never

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Speaker 2: lived in Minnesota. I was living in the suburbs of

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Speaker 2: Chicago at the time. But she was so sweet. Unite Models.

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Speaker 2: They signed me when I was super super young. I

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Speaker 2: totally lied about my height. Looking back at it, I

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Speaker 2: said that I was five ten and a half. I

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Speaker 2: up to my expectations. But yeah, they signed me, they

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Speaker 2: developed me, and then at sixteen years old, they placed

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Speaker 2: me in New York. They also placed me in Dubai

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, in Chicago, in Greece too, So it's

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Speaker 2: been a journey coming here.

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Speaker 1: What does being a model in New York feel like

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Speaker 1: versus anywhere else?

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Speaker 2: Oh, the clients are very different, The goals for your

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Speaker 2: career are very different, especially that I've modeled in multiple countries,

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Speaker 2: so there's all different kind of expectations for the areas.

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Speaker 2: For instance, in New York, I think here, I think

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Speaker 2: it used to be a little bit more of a

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Speaker 2: high fashion market. I think now it's become a little

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Speaker 2: bit more commercialized. There's more commercial clients here. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of big opportunities and big jobs, a big budget

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Speaker 2: commercial jobs here. But LA is definitely the commercial hub.

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Speaker 2: I think that over there they have a little bit

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Speaker 2: more fast fashion. The sample sizes are a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: And then in Europe it goes very edgy, very high fashion.

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Speaker 2: The sample sizes are very different. Yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 2: really what you kind of want out of your modeling

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Speaker 1: Can you give us, just give me a day to day,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? Let's say you have a shoot

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Speaker 1: that day. What is a day in the life of

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Speaker 1: a New York City supermodel?

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Speaker 2: I made so many blogs on these and I love

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Speaker 2: doing that. It's been so fun. Okay, well, wake up

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Speaker 2: and I cannot start my day without breakfast, so I

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Speaker 2: immediately Usually we have some sort of green tea or

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Speaker 1: I love knowing what models eat. This is like, oh

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Speaker 1: my bread and butter.

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Speaker 2: I've been wanting to do like a really good what

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Speaker 2: I eat a day because people always ask me, and

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Speaker 2: I have a very healthy regimen and I like to

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Speaker 2: get a lot of whole foods my day. But so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I usually start off with a very hearty breakfast because

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Speaker 2: when you're modeling, you don't really know what your hours

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Speaker 2: gonna be. For instance, It's why I came with the

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Speaker 2: whole thing of trail mix here. But I always start

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Speaker 2: with something that has protein, carbs, fats, and then fruit.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be usually bagel, salmon, cream, cheese, dairy freedom

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Speaker 2: and then always kiwis or blueberries and then you know,

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Speaker 2: the bagel for the carbs and then some nuts maybe.

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Speaker 2: So that's the breakfast part of it that took up

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Speaker 2: the entire episode.

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Speaker 1: No, we need to know what the supermodels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it starts off with a really good breakfast,

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Speaker 2: lots of water, and then I will go to my castings.

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Speaker 2: Recall times. I can tell you what a day right

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Speaker 2: now looks like, because now a week insane fashion week.

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Speaker 2: I swear I was. I was planning to come here

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Speaker 2: with like my hair curly and you know, like natural

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Speaker 1: I love the glam goddess in the thick of it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, today I woke up breakfast and then I

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Speaker 2: had a fitting and a hair makeup test and then

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Speaker 2: I'm here with you today. And then after this, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to a Versace magazine magazine release something like that,

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Speaker 2: and so hoo it's on Green Street. I'm really looking

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Speaker 2: forward to that. And then after going to the ballet,

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Speaker 2: then Omakase and then a Mumu video. It's like a

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Speaker 2: movie premiere thing. So that's near fashioning. But usually if

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Speaker 2: it's just a chill day, you know, I eat ready

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Speaker 2: shoot or a film or whatever it is. And then yeah,

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Speaker 2: I come home and I usually watch a movie or

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Speaker 2: I work on my art.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love it so chic amazing. Has there ever

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Speaker 1: been a casting that has really impacted you or shifted

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Speaker 1: the modeling experience for you? Could be positive or negative.

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Speaker 2: I think so when I was really that was really young.

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Speaker 2: I'm still really young. But when I was a lot younger,

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Speaker 2: I went to a fashion weing casting and I really

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Speaker 2: they didn't ask me to go back to try on

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Speaker 2: you're fine, You're fine, this is not your entire life.

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Speaker 2: You were totally fine. And I didn't get the job,

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Speaker 2: of course, but from that day on, I was like,

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I think in that moment, he

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Speaker 2: you're like, hey, you're fine, Like, this is not the

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Speaker 2: the determining factor in whether or not you succeed.

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Speaker 1: That's so kind. I feel like somebody probably did that for.

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Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, probably, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So you'll have to do that for a girl one day.

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Speaker 2: I know, I definitely will.

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Speaker 1: It's always back around.

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Speaker 2: I was giving him those cookies and my portable charger

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Speaker 2: models that are starting out or that are from suburban

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Speaker 1: And New York is just scary.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's really scary when I move.

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Speaker 1: Let alone, if you're being like judged by on how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sucks, especially when you have like a

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Speaker 2: more I'm perhaps charming or like I'm like people might

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Speaker 2: like me more after meeting me. I think with model castings,

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Speaker 1: Mine worst nightmare. What is the biggest shock about the

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think it lives up to like all

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Speaker 2: the stereotypes. Like I think a lot of ways that

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Speaker 2: They smoke a lot, they drink a lot. But a

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Speaker 2: it's different from person to person, and it's different from

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Speaker 2: that those like stereotypes really follow you. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to talk about too, because I think, yes,

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Speaker 1: of course there are those stories in those realities, but

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Speaker 1: because it's changed a lot.

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Speaker 2: It has one hundred percent, it's definitely changed. I mean

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Speaker 2: even from when I started, it's changed a lot. I

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Speaker 2: time management. That is one hundred percent true. But I

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Speaker 2: do know a lot of girls that do it as

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Speaker 2: So it's really what you can make out of it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. When going into this, I had

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Speaker 2: an outside perspective. But I think it's grown to a

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Speaker 1: So the America's NextUp model of it all? Was there

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Speaker 1: you were like, Okay, this really elevated things. I'm a model.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just did a really cool social media thing

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Speaker 2: for Nordstrom in Arizona, but that was more of the

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Speaker 2: Lang campaign and it was the most insane editorial. They

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Speaker 2: bleached my brows. They gave me a huge headcrown, and

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Speaker 2: working with Vera herself was just a really cool opportunity.

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Speaker 1: There was something you did and I couldn't find it

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Speaker 1: or remember what it was, but you I was like,

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Speaker 1: was either scrolling on the Instagram or walking down the

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I know her, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've done set days as a stylist on magazines where

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Speaker 2: and people like John Galliana, like I don't. I just

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Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, can we just make really nice clothing

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Speaker 1: And make a statement. Yeah, And I feel like brands

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Speaker 2: done a million things. I was a chef. Again. The

436
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 2: modeling influencing is acting right now too, which is that's fun.

437
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 1: But so to have being an artist being your highest

438
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 1: revenue stream is huge. That's amazing. That's normally the last

439
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 1: place you're going to make a dollar.

440
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. I mean, if I think

441
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 2: I can say this, but I made more in the

442
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 2: first nine months as a painter than I did. I

443
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 2: think my entire modeling career.

444
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 1: You were like a full blown working artist.

445
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was insane. I mean for me, I just

446
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 2: am grateful at at all points of the art stuff.

447
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 2: But I think I started painting when I was two. Obviously, wow, great,

448
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: But my mom just gave me a bunch of things.

449
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: And then when I was younger, she would just leave

450
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 2: me alone at home, like I didn't have any I

451
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,479
Speaker 2: wasn't playing soccer, I wasn't doing tennis or anything when

452
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: I was younger, and I would just paint. That's all

453
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 2: I did. I lived in upstate New York and it

454
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: was very peaceful and very freeing, and I would just

455
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 2: paint whenever I was at home. And I didn't take

456
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 2: my first art class until my senior year of high

457
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: school because I needed an art credit to graduate. And

458
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 2: then it was ap art and I got the five,

459
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 2: which I was very happy for. Although I didn't go

460
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: to college. Okay, I mean, I felt a lot of

461
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 2: other classes, so it's fine, but yeah, it was really cool.

462
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 2: And then for me, I was supposed to be an engineer.

463
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of the path that I

464
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: was headed towards, but I had taken a gap year instead,

465
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 2: mainly because I procrastinated. I didn't really fill out all

466
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 2: my applications some time, so I took a gap year

467
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: and that's when I traveled around. I went to Greece,

468
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: I went to Dubai. I really saw the world, and

469
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 2: I think my modeling sort of picked up a little bit.

470
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: And then in twenty twenty four, I was living at

471
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: home and I'd moved back. I was in between agencies

472
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: and I was working at a country club and I

473
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: think I made maybe like five thousand dollars and I

474
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: was working my ass like I was. Really it was

475
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: twelve hour shifts multiple times a week, like I was

476
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 2: out here. At some points it was like disgusting having

477
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: to clean trash cans and like, I'm not going to

478
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: tell you what it was in the tres It was

479
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: not a great It was a great job. It was

480
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: a great learning activity, but some of the work I

481
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: just I was like, I'm gonna use all this money

482
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 2: to do better in life. So yeah, all of that

483
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: money went towards art supplies. And I had art supplies

484
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: growing up. You know, I was always an artist, but

485
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 2: I really wanted to push I told myself. I was like,

486
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 2: look at the end of the summer, I'm it was

487
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 2: the numbers game again. I did it again. I made

488
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: an Excel sheet and I it was every gallery in Chicago,

489
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: because I was like, what's the worst they all are

490
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: going to reject me? Like I knew that my art

491
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: was head.

492
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Speaker 1: This is such a great mindset. I love this, Like, yes,

493
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: you have to cast a wide net.

494
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: Always, and I tell that to everyone. I mean, it's

495
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 2: the same thing with dating. I mean, if you date

496
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 2: eleven people, chances are probably gonna get a boyfriend. Maybe.

497
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't succeeded yet, but.

498
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: Dated five hundred people, I'm not going to Yes, yeah, yeah,

499
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: the numbers. I gotta girl the numbers.

500
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, figure excel. She but yeah, so I made it,

501
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: I mean, and she and I told myself I was

502
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: going to at the end of the summer when I

503
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: was working at the club, I was like, Hey, I'm

504
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: going to make a bunch of paintings and I'm going

505
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: to reinvent myself. I'm going to work harder on my socials.

506
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna post every single painting. I really was determined

507
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: to make a name for myself and try harder because

508
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: I always knew that I was. I feel like saying

509
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: Dustin for greatness is very corny, but I just love

510
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: the spotlight and I love you don't.

511
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: Believe that about yourself. Nobody else is going, Yeah, really

512
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: have to believe that about yourself. I don't care where

513
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: you are, who you are, what you're doing. You have

514
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: to tell yourself every day that that's what you're doing.

515
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: And also my mom was my biggest support and she's like,

516
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: your art's good, just do what you want. I'm like, okay, period.

517
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I started painting and before I even was

518
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: able to submit to any galleries, my gallery found me

519
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: on Instagram and he set up a meeting and then

520
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: meeting led to a contract and we ended up doing

521
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: my first show the end of the summer. So that's incredible.

522
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: I love just knowing that you sit down find every

523
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: single gallery or every single modeling agency and you make

524
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: a list and you're like, if I reach out to

525
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: every single one of them, that was like, that was

526
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: what I did with it. Girl. It was like if

527
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: I every single influencer in New York and to say yes,

528
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: two more are going to see it, and then those

529
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: girls are going to want to do it because they

530
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: saw their friends do it.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

532
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great, great mindset to have,

533
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's such a credit to your success.

534
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: Does modeling and the lack of control you have in

535
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: modeling make you want to have more control creatively? Does

536
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: it play into your art?

537
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: This is a really good question. Yes, I agree. I've

538
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 2: always had to have creative outlets my entire life, whether

539
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: it was painting, drawing, singing, playing instruments, whatever it was.

540
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 2: I love modeling because I am a fashion person. First.

541
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Speaker 2: When I was younger, I was watching The Shane the

542
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: Metiadachtavic with my mom, and for me, fashion was always

543
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: something that I was interested in. But I never thought

544
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: that I would be a model. So I started making

545
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: clothing when I was super super young. They were horrific clothing,

546
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: but I made them nonetheless, and being in the modeling

547
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: industry degree, but there's always it's like a missing a thing,

548
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 2: you know sometimes when you're a model, actually most of

549
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: the time when you're a model, you don't have any

550
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: creative control. Like I can't tell you, hey, I want

551
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: my eyebrow to look different, I want different shoes, I

552
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: want to differ.

553
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: Army Doll, you are a Barbie doll, which I love

554
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: being a Barbie doll.

555
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm a curly girl, like I love

556
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: being a Barbie doll. But I do feel like it

557
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: kind of makes you feel at a loss of control.

558
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: So that's why I sort of like make more clothing

559
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: for myself now, and especially social media gives me that

560
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: sense of control back, Like I get creative control over

561
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 2: my content when I post what I'm wearing, how my

562
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: hair is styled, how my makeup is looking. So yeah,

563
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: it's something that you kind of have to give up

564
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: when you model. You just have it's like out of

565
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: your hands, you know.

566
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: And art gives you that back.

567
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say art gives it back. I think

568
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 2: it gives me creative control over different aspects of my life.

569
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: It's a different situation because it's obviously not a shoot,

570
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: but I think being able to express yourself creates Being

571
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: able to express yourself in a creative way and another

572
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: aspect of your life is rewarding and kind of fills

573
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 2: that little gap that you have.

574
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself moving in one direction eventually, whether

575
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: that be modeling, acting, art, Do you see yourself eventually

576
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: taking some of those things off and going in one place.

577
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I quit my job as a chef, so

578
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 2: that's like the only one that I'll give up, But

579
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: the rest I don't. I feel like everything gives me

580
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: something different, and without one, it's like, ah, like what

581
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: am I doing?

582
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: What does acting give you that the others don't?

583
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: Acting is it's very much me raw and I get

584
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: to play a different character, which on my social media

585
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: I am myself in modeling, I am a Barbie Doll.

586
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: In acting, I completely give up complete like control over

587
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: everything and I am somebody else's character, and I really

588
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: enjoy it. I like being behind the camera and it's

589
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: it's a way to be a little bit kookier. The

590
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: movie that I'm shooting right now, my character, it's funny

591
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: because I'm definitely typecasted, but my character is also an

592
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: artist and a musician and she DJs, so it's really

593
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: a love life.

594
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that'll be next year, You'll be

595
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: a DJ.

596
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: I know, well, I am working on music right now

597
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: with the band, but I cannot release information on that yet.

598
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: But it's cool. That will actually be my next project.

599
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I.

600
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: Love the DJ pipeline is like it's gonna it'll happen.

601
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: Yet, Yeah, in some way, at some point I love that.

602
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: What is your favorite part of the painting process. Do

603
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: you love the creativity that comes when you're starting. Do

604
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: you love the middle where you see it coming together?

605
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Or do you like just knowing that it's done and

606
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: it can be hung up and you don't have to

607
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: do it anymore.

608
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: I think my favorite part there's like two the initial beginning.

609
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: When I'm doing my bassis, so on my Instagram, I

610
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: usually will film the base process of it because the

611
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: actual details are kind of meticulous and nobody cares it's yet,

612
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: but especially when they're really large and I paint with Really.

613
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: I love your large paintings. I think they're so fun

614
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: and beautiful and just expansive.

615
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm working on right now, on one right now,

616
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: it's eight feet six feet wide.

617
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: See looking to me, This is why I asked that

618
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: question was because to me, if I looked at an

619
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: eight foot blank canvas, I would faint.

620
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: It was huge. I got cat called over my canvas,

621
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: which is weird because I was like, wouldn't you want

622
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: to cat call me? But I was walking from the

623
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: art store to my studio in Tribeca and this guy

624
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: was like, damn, mama, Like that's a lot of canvas.

625
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: Can I get a couple of yards? And I was like, wait,

626
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: but what about me? Like you don't want to cat

627
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: call me? Anyway? It was funny, but yeah, So the

628
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: one that I'm working on right now is eight by

629
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: six which is humongous, biggest canvas I've ever done. But

630
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: the initial start to the paintings is my favorite part,

631
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: and then towards the end, I whatever I'm doing in

632
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: life at the time, I like to collect in a

633
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: journal or in my notes app and then I add

634
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: that to the canvas. But nobody sees it unless you

635
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: are either at my show or I'm pointing it out

636
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: or somebody zooming into my painting. But I capture different

637
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: aspects of my life. So I'm a huge romantic person,

638
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: so I'm often drawing people holding hands, exchanging flowers. There's

639
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: some like pregnant women in it. I love drawing plants, ice, skaters,

640
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: people playing volleyball, people eating cake, blowing out candles, playing

641
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: chess is something that I dropped. And so whatever I'm seeing,

642
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: I draw and I capture.

643
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. How would you describe your work

644
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: to someone who's never seen it? If there's someone listening

645
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: right now that's never seen it, how would you describe it?

646
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 2: Very? Okay, expansive, colorful, detailed, aboriginal styled work. Oh yeah, yes,

647
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know what aboriginal artwork was before I started

648
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: with my galarus, and people kept pointing it out, and

649
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: I was like, I should have maybe educated myself more

650
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: on art history before I started.

651
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: But I love that you're, you know, free flowing doing

652
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: it and learning as you go. I feel like that's

653
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: a beautiful way to be an artist. Is there anything

654
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: about being an artist that people romanticize that you feel

655
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: like is not accurate?

656
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: I mean, i feel like I'm coming from the artist's

657
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: standpoint in a very privileged sense because I found so

658
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: much success in it at a very young age. So

659
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there are a lot more difficulties that

660
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: I have not yet dealt with, and I hope I don't.

661
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: But I feel like with art it's it's hit or miss.

662
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: There are shows that I don't well, actually there's not.

663
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: I mean I can't. I don't know.

664
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I'm great and everything's

665
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: gone great and everybody loves my art.

666
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: Hey, It's like, from what I've heard from artists, I

667
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: feel like it can be really hit or miss, Like

668
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: there are people who don't like my art and they're

669
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: very outspoken about it. When I show up to the shows,

670
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: most of the time, I'm dressed very professionally because that's

671
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: just the kind of person I am, and I have

672
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: asked people before. I'm like, oh, so, like, what do

673
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: you like about the art? My galerius has trained me

674
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: to talk to potential buyers, clients, friends, whoever comes up,

675
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: I always engage them in conversation. And one time I

676
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: went up to a guy and he was like, this

677
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: color is horrific. This looks fluorescent or no, he said

678
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: it radioactive was his words. I don't know. He said

679
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: something about the way that I did the colors, and anyway,

680
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: he didn't that I was an artist. But it's interesting.

681
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get feedback that you didn't expect and you

682
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: have to kind of take it all. I think art

683
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: is really really subjective, so you just can't take anything

684
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: too much to heart. If somebody hates your painting doesn't

685
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: mean your painting's not good. I always tell myself there's

686
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: a buyer for everything. So when there's paintings that I'm

687
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: working on that I don't either I don't love the

688
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: color palette, or it's going one direction and I expected

689
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: it to go another direction, I'm like, look, someone will

690
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: buy this, or if somebody doesn't buy it, someone will

691
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: like it. You don't have to like it to finish it. See.

692
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: That is another amazing mindset because I putting myself out there.

693
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: If my job was to put myself out there based

694
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: off my art and put myself out there based off

695
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: my looks, I don't know if I would survive. How

696
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: much of being creative today when it comes to like

697
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: the social media aspect, just the way that everybody has

698
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: a platform. How much of it do you think is

699
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: talent versus strategy?

700
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, now it's a lot. Well, I don't know.

701
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: I think those work hand in hand. I know some

702
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: artists that, as much as I may dislike their work

703
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: so much, they have great strategies. They have a really

704
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: good viral moment that they turn into momentum, and then

705
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: they end up selling things like I won't name any names,

706
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: but there are certain artworks that I think are very

707
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: gaudy and they're very cartoonish, and they don't really give

708
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: fine art by any means, But because they make so

709
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: much money and they're great at selling and marketing themselves,

710
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: I do respect those artists a lot. I will always

711
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: say that, But I do think strategy plays into a

712
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: big part of a lot of things, and I do

713
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: think access plays into a big part of things. I

714
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: know a lot of a great artists and a lot

715
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: of very talented individuals and different aspects of things in

716
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: different fields that either don't have the chance right now

717
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: or may never because of their connections and their polls

718
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: and the cards of life have dealt them interesting. Interesting.

719
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: What are you consciously building toward right now?

720
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be like a better friend and

721
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: better daughter. I'm a very impatient person, and sometimes I

722
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: feel like I need to slow down and like check

723
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: in on my people and checking on everyone's lives. Because

724
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: you got a lot of jobs. I have a lot

725
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: of jobs I do, and I feel like it's sometimes

726
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: difficult because the majority of the people of my life

727
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: usually have one and trying to relate with them and

728
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: trying to get them on the same page as me.

729
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh wait, I have to slow down, and

730
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: I have to realize that not everyone else is doing

731
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: all these things and juggling all these things, so you know,

732
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: I have to like think about that aspect of my life.

733
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: I'm also working towards I want to make a nonprofit,

734
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: so that's another big thing that I have. But I

735
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: also say that that's like my goal when I'm in

736
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: my sixties. I want to have this huge art nonprofit

737
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: for kids to show off the art where I don't

738
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: profit anything. I literally make no money. I probably lose money,

739
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: but I just want to showcase different kids artwork around

740
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: the world, like developing artists, but close to my age.

741
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: Now I am working on music, and then I'm also

742
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: working on a podcast, which is really interesting. It's gonna

743
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: be fun. Love.

744
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: What's your podcast gonna be about? Can you say I can?

745
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, as long as nobody still the idea.

746
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know when this is coming out, but yeah,

747
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 2: it's an art podcast, and I'm really excited about that.

748
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: I kind of have a concept where I want to

749
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: film in a different gallery weekly and it follows the

750
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: the question what was the color of So I want

751
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: to bring on different people and like for an actress,

752
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: for example, I was going to ask, like, what was

753
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: the color of your first movie premiere? And then they

754
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: could say it was red because the carpet, or it

755
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: was gold because I was super excited, or it was

756
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: green because there was so much nature outside, or something

757
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: like that. And I wanted to have a bunch of

758
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: color cutouts on the tables and just sort of like

759
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: a story time about their life and the colors that you.

760
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: Know Hannah No oh, she has an incredible gallery on

761
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: the Lower East Side. Yes, you should.

762
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: Definitely, I'm gonna need all these.

763
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: Definitely, She's done it roll a couple of times. She's fantastic.

764
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Her gallery is absolutely credible, and she's like a young

765
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: girl with her own gallery. She's really amazing.

766
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: She did.

767
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I met her because she did a collab with Modaparandi

768
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: and Franky Shop, and she was like the model because

769
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: they were showcasing different amazing New York artists and she's

770
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: just like young and on it and incredible. So you

771
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: should definitely damn her to do that because or try

772
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: to do something in her gallery because I think her

773
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: gallery it's small and it's just really intimate and beautiful.

774
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: Definitely want to check out to do that. What does

775
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: making it mean to you? What would you What needs

776
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: to happen for you to say, Okay, I've made it,

777
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm successful, this is what I wanted.

778
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: I feel like for me, it would be a finance thing.

779
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: I think I will know I will make it when

780
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: I can afford my dream apartment and I can afford

781
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: children on my own. I don't want to have children

782
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: on my own, but if I can, I tell I

783
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: want to have a husband. But I think if I

784
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: can afford all of the necessities in my life obviously,

785
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: like there are things that I don't need. I don't

786
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: need a gewagon, but I would like to afford one.

787
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: I think at that point in my finances, if I'm

788
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: able to afford all those things on my own, that's

789
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: when I feel like I will have reached success. Obviously,

790
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: maybe there'll be a husband that will help me with

791
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 2: those things. But yeah, I think finances would be one

792
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: and then two would maybe be I think maybe like

793
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: a company of my own. I think a really well

794
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: oiled machine, like a good running company, and I have

795
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of investors, and maybe we're.

796
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: Privacy for your art or like a modeling agency.

797
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: I maybe of skin care line. I don't know. Yeah,

798
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: I mean like in the future obviously, and then definitely

799
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: in the modeling aspect of things. I want to be

800
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: signed in Paris, Milan, in London, and I would love

801
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: to be doing those runway shows, like I think genuinely,

802
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: if I was a consistent return at like Marziella or

803
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: I was.

804
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Gonna say I could see I see you on a

805
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: G BUNCHI yeah, sure.

806
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Or like an exclusive or something. I feel like that

807
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: would be success. But for me, I don't know. I

808
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: think there's always things that I'm working towards, and I

809
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: hate to be one of those people that I like,

810
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: I am never satisfied, but like, genuinely, I always feel

811
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: like there's something else I could be doing, and if

812
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: it's not for me, then it's for someone else.

813
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean, complacency is dangerous.

814
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: I think, yeah I am.

815
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: I despise complacency, and I'm always telling people like, shake

816
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: it up, shake it up. Is there something that you

817
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: haven't done yet that you just know that you're gonna do?

818
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: I want to do a movie premiere. I have never

819
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: done a premiere for a movie, whether it's my own

820
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: or another one, but I just kind of want to

821
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: go to a premiere and talk to cameras and be

822
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: really annoying, like something like the Golden Globe carpet or

823
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: maybe that's a little bit out there, but I see it.

824
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: I love that idea. I also feel like I love

825
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: when people hold the microphones to me and they're like

826
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: la da da da, and then I just love talking.

827
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: So I just don't want to be interviewed by one

828
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: of those comedians on a carpet that they have and

829
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: they do socialism and stuff. I think they're so funny.

830
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: I see this deeply.

831
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: You just need to get in one movie. Yeah, it'll

832
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: have a premiere. Like if you just do one movie,

833
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: it'll have a premiere and you'll get that moment. So

834
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: I do think you'll do that. I see that. I

835
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: see that. For you hardcore, I.

836
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: Think it's crossed.

837
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you want to make sure you

838
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: speak into existence before you leave today? What is something

839
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: you want to say out loud to the public that

840
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: you can speak into existence that you know you can

841
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: make happen if you say it out loud.

842
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is so silly, But I want

843
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: to like have animals. Is that crazy? I don't know.

844
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: I feel like that's not even that big of a goal.

845
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: But I really just want a really nurturing home soon,

846
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: like not in ten years, like me in New York

847
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: or not in New York. I would love to have

848
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: a really industrial loft, which I feel like everyone's dreams.

849
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: That's gonna say me too.

850
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: I know I would like the brick and the Yeah, well,

851
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: I'm very simple, you know. I like I like my

852
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: nice things. But I would love to have a loft

853
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: with multiple cats and a lot of plants and a

854
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: lot of sunlight, very clean, and I have an art

855
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: studio on one side and then my bed in another,

856
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: and I have a beautiful fire burner stove.

857
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean, is love that you have to speak it

858
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: into existence. That's everybody. There are things that people have

859
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: spoken to existence on the podcast that have come true,

860
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: So you have to speak in it.

861
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 2: You'll see me in my beautiful apartment soon.

862
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: I see it. And I love that you have like

863
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: an art area in the corner. This is I love this.

864
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: Mine would basically just be an industrial ofwful of clothes.

865
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Oh just I want like hundreds of just I want

866
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: people to walk in and be like, is this a store?

867
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Last question, who do you think is the ultimate

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Speaker 1: IT girl and why does she inspire you? And it

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Speaker 1: can be a family member, it can be five people,

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Speaker 1: it can be two people. It can be someone who

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Speaker 1: paved the way for you.

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Speaker 2: And oh my god, this is such a good question.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking I The first person that came to my

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Speaker 2: mind was Carrie Washington, Oh, which is super random, But

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about her hair and just the movies

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Speaker 2: that she has been in and her personality on and

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Speaker 2: offline is something just so classy and elegant, and I just.

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Speaker 1: She is classy. That's a great way to describe it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the first one that came to mind, So

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick that and Scandal Don't get

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Speaker 2: Me started?

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Speaker 1: So good, so great. She changed television she really didn't

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Speaker 1: need she really did change TV, and she did it

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Speaker 1: in a pantsuit, which is just not easy to do.

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Speaker 2: And she looks so good on a pants she does.

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Speaker 1: She looks good that entire time. Yes, Okay, we've never

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Speaker 1: gotten her. And I literally love that answer because what

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Speaker 1: a classy, elegant, sophisticated, talented mole. Yeah, I love her,

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Speaker 1: Kerrie Washington, We love you. You're a net girl. Okay,

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Speaker 1: do you want to shout out your socials?

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Speaker 2: Yes, my social Sophia buno s O p.

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Speaker 1: H I A b o U n o U fabulous

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Speaker 1: And we are at a Girl the series and at

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Speaker 1: Bailey T.

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Speaker 2: Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Stay tuned next week for another girl.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Sopvia yay girl.