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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left That's podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Michael de Barr, who you know

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Speaker 1: from television, movies, records and radio. Now he has a

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Speaker 1: new documentary streamable on Amazon Prime. Who do you want

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Speaker 1: me to be? Michael? Well, who do you want me

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Speaker 1: to be? Boom? I want you to be your most

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Speaker 1: entertaining self, which you normally are. I'm not that worried,

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Speaker 1: but let's let's start. How did the documentary come into being?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm fabulous and I'm doing a TV show, um,

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Speaker 1: and guy called Josh Weinstein, brilliant comedian and filmmaker, and

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Speaker 1: he comes up to me and he says, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been watching your stuff and I just read your

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Speaker 1: X wife's book and I want to do a documentary

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Speaker 1: on basically that's miss Pamela who wrote that I'm with

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Speaker 1: the band. You know, it's a fabulous book. And he

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Speaker 1: did that and for the next two or three years

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Speaker 1: we shot amazing stuff. And the interesting thing about it

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Speaker 1: was I didn't look at a frame of it until

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Speaker 1: it was done, so he had that trust. Why I

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Speaker 1: did that, I know, you know, you want to reduce

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Speaker 1: through anxiety, but that begs my next question, which always

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Speaker 1: going to ask are you happy with the finished product?

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Speaker 1: I'm just absolutely so happy about it because I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: people that I love, you know, saying these wonderful things,

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Speaker 1: and certainly some sort of descriptive lee on cool things.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's all part of the thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's all part of this wonderful I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be worshiped. I just want to be understood and seen.

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Speaker 1: And you know, a guy who stayed there has been

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Speaker 1: deliberate and delivered what was necessary, and I think that

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Speaker 1: that's very good for people to see, you know, after

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Speaker 1: fifty years of it. So what do you want people

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Speaker 1: to see? What image do you want to present or

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Speaker 1: what identity do you want to press present in life?

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Speaker 1: Whether it comes across from the documentary or not, well,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, it has to be the truth. I

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Speaker 1: mean as an actor, as a singer, or whatever, as

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Speaker 1: a husband, as her father. Um, the truth is everything.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not honest about it, if if I told

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Speaker 1: stories like, for instance, my childhood was very traumatic, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that I went to these absurd mastemetry, hypocritical aristocratic

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Speaker 1: you know about, which is a British institution. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I went through and I wanted to tell the truth.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to tell people, you know, what happened to

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Speaker 1: me and how I would travis these things and change

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Speaker 1: these things and transition from that this marquis into a

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Speaker 1: working class hero. Because when I left those schools and

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Speaker 1: went to London and went to drama school, rock and roll.

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Speaker 1: Rock and roll was the aristocracy, and that you MARKI

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Speaker 1: meant nothing. Mick Jagger would get a better table in

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Speaker 1: the restaurant that Bill Wyman and then Prince Charles. Shall

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Speaker 1: we say, you know so as I had to reinvent

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Speaker 1: myself every couple of years. Okay, let's start at the end,

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Speaker 1: as we're all on the downward slope in terms of

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Speaker 1: past our median age. Do you feel comfortable with what

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Speaker 1: you've accomplished or did you want more? And is there

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Speaker 1: the remaining time you left, whether it be thirty years

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Speaker 1: or thirty minutes. Fantastic question. Um A, I have no regrets,

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Speaker 1: see there are no nightmares anymore in my life. I've

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Speaker 1: achieved something in myself that is important, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not number ones, and it's not smash movies,

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Speaker 1: and it's not a series that runs forever. It's not Emmys.

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Speaker 1: All of these things mean nothing to me. The only

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Speaker 1: thing that means anything to me at all is enjoying myself,

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Speaker 1: expressing myself in any way that I can. I'm seventy two,

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Speaker 1: I have a twenty nine each way fast. Well, you

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Speaker 1: certainly are trim. I know that from interacting with you live.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that you are let's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a bogus institution, but as a pinnacle. The fact that

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Speaker 1: you're not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: does that bother you none? In the Scientist, I don't

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Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame down and be piste off.

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Speaker 1: How did you develop? Which comes through at the end

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Speaker 1: really a nihilist, but saying, don't get hung up in legacy,

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Speaker 1: don't get hung up and what it means, just move forward,

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Speaker 1: Try to enjoy yourself, certainly within a moral framework. How

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Speaker 1: did that come about? Well, I realized that ambition was toxic.

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Speaker 1: So therefore trying to you know, reach scale heights that

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Speaker 1: don't exist is a fucking stupid endeavor. That's why. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but you're someone who certainly had peaks in your career,

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Speaker 1: you sustained over decades without having ambition? Well, it's not ambition.

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Speaker 1: The word itself is useless. It's this sort of desire

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Speaker 1: to go further. Well, it's not that corny to me.

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Speaker 1: All I ever did was what was in front of me,

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Speaker 1: and I did it well, and I did it again.

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Speaker 1: If you go, if you complexify that concept of a

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Speaker 1: You know, I believe in the moment, great artists can

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Speaker 1: only deliver the goods in the moment. You can't calculate

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Speaker 1: the producer said sing. You know, I would just free

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Speaker 1: myself of it and somehow a it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: metaphysical thing. It's a feeling of confidence that's very different

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Speaker 1: from ambition. Okay, but one thing we know about you,

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Speaker 1: You've you've really hung in there. Most people had a

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Speaker 1: with people, what do we know? They're very talented people

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Speaker 1: who never made it. So at most fifty percent is talent.

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Speaker 1: The other fifty percent is amalgamation of a number of things.

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Speaker 1: Hooking yourself up with the right people, but being able

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Speaker 1: very endearing, likable guy. Whatever the image of the rockery

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Speaker 1: is it someone to meet you personally? Is that something

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Speaker 1: you're conscious of? Is that something you wanted to achieve?

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Speaker 1: Do you understand that it's paid dividends? That is just

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Speaker 1: such a great question. I've been asked so many dems questions. Listen, um,

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Speaker 1: my currency is my charm? And was that inborn? Or

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Speaker 1: how did you develop your charm? I didn't develop it.

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Speaker 1: I was born with it. I never thought about it.

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Speaker 1: I just realized that to make people feel at ease, right,

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Speaker 1: I realized that that was the key to go further,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've I've I've spiritually hoard myself all these

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Speaker 1: I made it okay. I didn't make it like it

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Speaker 1: a lot of time. That goes hand in hand with

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Speaker 1: a chameleon personality. Now for someone like me on the outside,

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Speaker 1: the opposite. I changed my skin when I was in

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Speaker 1: that there was nuanced and loving and sexy and and

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Speaker 1: in the moment. You know, most people live have a script,

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Speaker 1: and they live by the script. Then not even that character. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning, which you certainly do in

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Speaker 1: the beginning of your documentary, where there's long history going

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Speaker 1: back hundreds of years to the derivation of your blood

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Speaker 1: lineage and title. Please describe that. Well, it was eight

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Speaker 1: armor and game. De Barn killed them. As a result,

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Speaker 1: that sustain for eight hundred years? Well, you know Europe

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Speaker 1: the Huguenos. It was a religious thing. They went to

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Speaker 1: So it spread across the globe, Australia and a lot

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Speaker 1: of my other marquees. I'm the twenty seventh. You know,

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Speaker 1: back to the blood lineage. So they've only been twenty

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Speaker 1: my education, which was considerably expensive. Well, let's slow down

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Speaker 1: a little bit because we'll get to there. And you've

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Speaker 1: never at a loss for words, So tell your father

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Speaker 1: is the twenty five marquet? Yeah? How where? What are

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Speaker 1: his circumstances? How does he meet your mother? He meant,

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Speaker 1: you know, he'd already been married four times. He met

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Speaker 1: was seventeen and he was fifty and they had me,

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Speaker 1: and I was a bastard till I was thirty. Okay.

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Speaker 1: by Sydney pot Bob you know. Um he. What happened

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Speaker 1: She was severely ill and dying, so he married her.

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Speaker 1: Thirty years later, they actually got married. I got a letter.

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Speaker 1: Take this, You'll love this. I got a letter from

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Speaker 1: the lawyers saying, well, Michael, you're not a bestart anymore. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I said, no, you're wrong. You get um And I thought, wow,

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Speaker 1: me with Deep Purple Records. He got me a record deal, okay,

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00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: just a little bit slower. Prior to that evening at

424
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 1: Andrew Lloyd Webber's how long had you been playing the guitar?

425
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: Three weeks? Okay? And you go and you play, there's

426
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: no band, no, and what is Deep Purple Records? Deep

427
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: Purple Regors? Was was was Purples Records. The band Deep

428
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: Purple Purple have their own label, and they had their

429
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: own you know that, Yeah, they had their own label. Um.

430
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: And Ian Gillen had sung for Andrew on the on

431
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: the Jesus Christ Superstar exactly, so I'd sung with demos

432
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: so and you sang the demos for Jesus Great Superstar. Yeah.

433
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: After him seeing me in this this new musical, Andrew

434
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: and Tim Tim took my band. But that's another story.

435
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: So I get this vibe by saying for him, I

436
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: had no idea. I thought a p A was a

437
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: personal assistant. I had no clue about how this whole

438
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: band thing worked. But he put me with Purple Records

439
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: and they were great to me. Johan Collector, and Tony

440
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: Edwards and Ian Gillen, you know, and Deep Purple thought

441
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: I was cool and we put a band together to

442
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: put a note in them in the Melody Maker. Looking

443
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: for erotic musicians is how I worried it. And they

444
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: showed out, and I took the first four skinny guys

445
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: in the way we went silver Head. Okay, you kind

446
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: of pooh pooh Silverhead in the movie, but there are

447
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: some significant Silverhead fans. Oh yeah, I I you know,

448
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: I don't really pooh pooh the band. I really feel

449
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: that the band could have gone a lot further if

450
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: I hadn't been so messed up on cocaine. That's really

451
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: was the negative. The band was fantastic. I mean we

452
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: had nights that were we were the best band in

453
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: the world. And I think that's true of any musicians

454
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: that are listening to There's Any band is capable of

455
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: being the best band in the world on any given night.

456
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: I believe that to be true, and we were sometimes,

457
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: but I was distracted. Okay, how did your love affair

458
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: with cocaine begin? I consider the beginning of my coke

459
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: Habit was as important to me as the airring that

460
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: Keith Richard's wore. Very significant. Yeah, it was to you.

461
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: It is because you you understand the symbols rather well.

462
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: But it was de rigur to be the thinnest and

463
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: the most stoned person in the room. And that's what

464
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: I did, and that's what I was. Unfortunately, it doesn't,

465
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, go so well with people that are living

466
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: with you and working with you and composing with you

467
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: and producing with you. Because I was late for everything.

468
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: I didn't show up all of that bullsh it, all

469
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: of that sort of just obvious rock and roll stuff,

470
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: which is I despise, you know, because you're wasting people's

471
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: time and lives. But I beginning it was like anything.

472
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: It was fantastic, and me, my Wendy, my girlfriend, my wife. Subsequently,

473
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: UM were you know, monkeys on coke and it was

474
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: it was got out of hand. Anything that owned me

475
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: was I thought was dreadful. In the last two years,

476
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I was only getting high for seven years. The last

477
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: two years were hopelessly uncool, you know, with Led Zeppelin

478
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: and that whole dark period of zeven which I was

479
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: part of. UM and then I in one I go

480
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: stop it. I looked in the mirror. I think vanity

481
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: got me sober. Okay, but let's go back to the

482
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: initial days. Cocaine is not cheap, and you're living this

483
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: peripatetic career lifestyle. Is money just never an issue. There's

484
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: always enough money coming in. I could get anything for free,

485
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: literally the nature of being prominent. These people give you

486
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: things for free. But did you also ask for things

487
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: at four am on the third day? You know? I mean,

488
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: but I never, I never really had to do that.

489
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: It clothes where we lived always provided by very wealthy

490
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: people that wanted to be around rock and roll, you know,

491
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean we were toys, we were prop stars. Has

492
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: that okay? And now you get off drugs in due

493
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: how did you get off it? I stopped? Um, Danny Goldbergy,

494
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know who is my dearest friend. I've

495
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: got further to his children. And I met it through

496
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: Zeppelin and he realized I was getting just out of

497
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: control because he was with me through the Zeppelin years.

498
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: And um, he said, my my dear friend, Paul Fishkin.

499
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Do you know Paul fit Chikin. I've met Paul. He's

500
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: a beautiful man to this day, on every day of

501
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: my birthday, as it were, you know, bright egg, I

502
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: speak to Paul, beautiful man again. And he was with

503
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: Stevie Nicks and he wasn't using coke and he wore shades,

504
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: and I thought, this is for me, and he took

505
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: me through a meeting and I just stopped. There was

506
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: no rehabit that time. I mean I was a pariah

507
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: on a rock and roll level pop you know, I

508
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: was a leper. Okay, so you stop overnight, but you

509
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: you do go to meetings? Oh god, I went to

510
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: two meetings for the first ten years a day. I mean,

511
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I would you still go to meetings today? I do not.

512
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: I can stop about twenty years ago. I consider my

513
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: radio programs meetings. Okay. Do you ever feel the desire

514
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: for substances? No? Never, absolutely not. The only substance I

515
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: want is you know, love and honestly and romance. But

516
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: any buddy who has been had a love affair with

517
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: drugs or alcohol, even if you can physically stop, mentally,

518
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. For no other reason. You don't have

519
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: this in your life. And what are you gonna do

520
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: with all this time? Substitute something? Your substitute? Do you

521
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: that guitar, that song, that role? You know I would

522
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: have worked constantly in my whole life. I mean, look

523
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: at my AMDB it you know it's massive. It's a

524
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years of American television and forty movies

525
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: and twenty albums. You know, So I worked that. Then

526
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: the drug became how can I be every second involved

527
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: in something spectacular? And it worked? I mean I happened.

528
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: So how did silver Head end badly? I? You know,

529
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: we were in London. We've done you know, massive to us.

530
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: I think we toured constantly to the Native shows a

531
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: year for two or three years. I was just exhausted

532
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: and skinny and strong out. And you know, I've met

533
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: miss Pamela, and I was already married to somebody else.

534
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: To Wendy's I've alluded to earlier and America. So I

535
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: wanted to leave the band and go to America. And

536
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: so you literally pulled the pull the ripcord yourself. I did.

537
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: The band were hired by the record company in the management,

538
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 1: and you know, they were on salary, and you know,

539
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: I was the guy, and I just said, I just

540
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: can't do this anymore because I wasn't used to. You know,

541
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: there's two albums made and we could have done a third,

542
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: and that could have been huge, but I didn't know

543
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: anything about that. I was an extremist. I dealt with

544
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: it right then and said, I don't want to do this.

545
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: I want to go to America. Prior to going to America,

546
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: you marry Wendy, your long term girlfriend. How do you

547
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: decide to uh tie the knot? I think out of

548
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: a question on uh of giving her the name. We

549
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: were together seven years and she said in the documentary

550
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: she's passed away since then, God bless her. I think

551
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: it was giving her that, you know, that marquise. You know,

552
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: she became a marquis. She was always obsessed with being

553
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: a marquis, which is a feminine part of a marquis.

554
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, subconsciously, I was doing it

555
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: in order to give her that name. Okay, how do

556
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: you break it to her very shortly after you're married

557
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: that your in love with someone else and you want

558
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: to get divorced? And to what degree did that affect

559
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: her life? Thereafter? She became a professor emeritis of science

560
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: and wrote five books, so she did pretty good. Immediately

561
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: of me leaving, she had an affair with you know

562
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: who I do. It is amazing, you know, you know,

563
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: even then and so she was cool, I mean, she

564
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: was very cool. It was all cool, It's okay, you know,

565
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: all right, So he met Miss Pamela, the queen of

566
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: the group. Is great, go do that, and I'm going

567
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: to do this. And did she ever get married and

568
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: have children? Yes? Okay, so she lived a full life. Yes, okay,

569
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: So tell us how you meet Miss Pamela or the

570
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: g T. Well, I'm in New York and there's a movie.

571
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: You know, I was with the Warho Vibe and and

572
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: there was a movie being made and Keith Moon was

573
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: going to play this role in this movie, which Ms

574
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Pamela was in. So they, you know, Keith went missing,

575
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: what a shark, And they were looking for a rock

576
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: and roll guy. So it was in town and I

577
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: think it was Wayne Forte, you know Wayne for I

578
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: heard from him today. Wow, Well I love this guy.

579
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: He's a pretty good friend. Fucking love him. But so

580
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: he's an agent. Yeah at that time, really represent Bowie,

581
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: a million other everybody. He was. He put me in

582
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: the power station. Um. But so he says, okay, get

583
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: this one, the mean mean empty big and they did it,

584
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: and I went and made this movie. And I remember

585
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: I've been up for two or three days this year,

586
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: as you and I walked on that set and Betty

587
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Grabel was standing with her back to me. She was

588
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: in a sort of forties swimsuit, and I just felt it,

589
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: you know. She turned around and I fell in love

590
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: and I was with it for the next twelve years. Okay,

591
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, just talking about her for a second, what

592
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: do we know? She would be a self described groupie

593
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: who Frank Zappa usher to a recording career with the

594
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: other women girls together outrageously. But when you met her,

595
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: what was the what was going on in her life?

596
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Because she sounded like you know, it's a great question.

597
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: She symbolized America to me, but she was America to me. Say,

598
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: I was schooled on the movies and the music. So

599
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: she was this absolute beaming human, you know, with with

600
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: a smile. You've seen That's why you've seen the photoguess,

601
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: the g t O s. I mean, they were amazing.

602
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Zappa had got hold of them and made a record

603
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: that Rod was on and Lowell, George and you name it.

604
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: So she had and I adored the resume. You know,

605
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: to me, pet they can Okay, you know a lot

606
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: of times people get involved with musicians for not only

607
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: the status, but the money and to be taking care

608
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: of Did she have a pot to pisson at that time?

609
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, shoot, shoot, lived by making Jimmy Page cowboy shirts,

610
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, which really meant, you know, thousand dollars for

611
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: their shirts. You know. Graham. She was a big, big

612
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: friend of Graham's and they just existed, these girls, and

613
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: they did a couple of gigs and Frank put them

614
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: on salary, you know. Um. And and she hung around

615
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: with Jim Morrison and Mick Jagger and you know she

616
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: was oult him on with mecha, I mean, and all

617
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: of these things made sense to me in the great

618
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: puzzle that I was trying to piece together, that she

619
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: was very much a part of that, you know, just

620
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: just mythologically, as well as the sexiest woman I ever met. Yeah,

621
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: in the Betty Gravel sweet suit. Okay, this beg This

622
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: begs the question you were just recently married, which she

623
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: involved with someone when you met Huh, Bob, that's a

624
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: therapist question. Um no, no, no, no, that wasn't the

625
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: scenario at all. We we left, you know, we we

626
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: we agreed that to part. It was very very pure.

627
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: We love it to this day. My wife now, Brenda A. Doors.

628
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: They did door each other, and it was it was

629
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: pretty soulful, the whole thing because I was sober, you know. Okay,

630
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: so you do this little movie, then you go back

631
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: to the UK, right right, I go back on the road,

632
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: you know. And she goes to l A and she

633
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: was going out with Whale and Jenny's at the time.

634
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: I said, going out whatever the phrase would be, um,

635
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: and I you know, I was doing a week at

636
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: the Whiskey Go Go in a month. So when I

637
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: got to l A. I called her up. I said,

638
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, can we get together? She said, no, we can't.

639
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: So I knew her best friend. I told her his friend,

640
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand on top of the Hightt House,

641
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: the Riot House, and I'm going to jump off the

642
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: fucking roof unless she comes over. And so the girlfriend

643
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: tells Miss Matter that she said, I'm coming over, and

644
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: she said, but I'll go see him tomorrow. She came

645
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: over that morning and we were together ever since. I okay,

646
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: you were obviously smitten from when we were making the movie.

647
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 1: When she walked in the door at the Highatt House.

648
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: What does it take to close her? That's so genius, Um,

649
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: we think the same. We have the same feelings both

650
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: above and below waste, we love the king, and we

651
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: just great man. There was this rock and roll kind

652
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: of blood in our veins, and they eventually her blood

653
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: was in my veins and my blood was in her veins,

654
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: and we wore leverskin. Okay, now it's after that that

655
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: you've decided you're done and you're gonna move to l A. Yeah.

656
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean I arrived in LA with two hundred dollars

657
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: and a head dry, and your plan, other than being

658
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: with miss Pamela, was conquer the world, but but a

659
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: little bit more granular. But I knew that, you know,

660
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: I would be taken care of. See the thing is, Bob,

661
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: this life of mine, I have expected to be looked

662
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: after um and cared for. I've expected it, I've had it.

663
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: I knew there was something about it that was seductive

664
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: and fun, and I was always good and cool, and I,

665
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, I to see her parents. I was in

666
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: a fur coat of silver jump suit. I had but

667
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: a sudden cup but here, but a suddain cup but there,

668
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: and I walked in and they Her father was a

669
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: stage Republican working at bud Wise, and her mother was

670
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: just from Kentucky and nice woman, and I just loved

671
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: them both so much. Yeah, their parents, and I fell

672
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: in love with the whole family, and I just sleep,

673
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: did they fall in love with you? Right? He loved

674
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: me right away? He loved me, and he was a

675
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: Republican racist, and you know, you just nod your head

676
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: at appropriate moments, you know, and uh and and and

677
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: seduced the family. What comes first when you're in l

678
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: a acting or music music, Because what happened was this

679
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: massive coat dealer I met, and mr Family immediately got

680
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: a soap opera in New York. She went up to

681
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: New York's. I couldn't drive. I didn't have any money,

682
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even know how to pay bills, you know,

683
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: and this coat sort of took me under his wing,

684
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: as there were and I lived with him in Benedict Canyon.

685
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't drive in all of that, so I was

686
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuck. But he introduced me to Michael Monarch.

687
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: Michael Monarch was the guitar player and Steppenwolf when he

688
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: was seventeen, and he was great, and he said, well,

689
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: let's put a pan together, you know. So we did,

690
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: and already quickly the coke dealer paid for rehearsals, paid us,

691
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, a monthly salary, and we just created some

692
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: songs and we played a couple of gigs and Jimmy

693
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: came to town. Um you know, the Seven came to

694
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: down there, all in Malibu, all in houses next to

695
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: each other, not talking, and I was the conduit between

696
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: them and UH and they came down to s I

697
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: R To watch us play and Jimmy said, you know

698
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: you want to be on the label. I said, okay,

699
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: how did you know Lad's up one? Well, Silver Had

700
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: is you know, a tough band that a lot of

701
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: people in music musos as they say, you don't really like.

702
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: So we're in a club in Birmingham one night and

703
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: we're playing. It was a great show. There's eleven people

704
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: in the club. Four of them will led Zeppelin because

705
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: were they there. Bonzo had a farm ten minutes from

706
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: the club and they all have to be rehearsing. That's how.

707
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: And BP Fallon, the legendary BP Fallon, who you may

708
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: or may not have heard of, is a brilliant sort

709
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: of Yoda rock figure at the side of Bonno and

710
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: plants and a lot of it. Mark Bonn and they

711
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: took us back to the farm after the gig, and

712
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: we stayed there for three days and nights, and you

713
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: can imagine um that we sort of got it together.

714
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: Plus Jimmy had already been with Ms Pamelas, so there

715
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: were connections all over the place. Okay, how do you

716
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: decide on the name detective? I originally wanted to call

717
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: it defective, but I was turned It had a sort

718
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: of searching forties Humphrey Bogot feel to it that I've

719
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: always thought was very rocking around. I thought bo got

720
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: was you know, the ship, you know, and he had

721
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: that that lighting, that black and white lighting always appealed

722
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: to me, and I always thought it was just so

723
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: powerful to be a private eye, to be a detective,

724
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: to search, to find, to conquer, to suss it out,

725
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: to to you know, put the dupths together. In all

726
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: of that, it just sent to me powerful and sexy. Okay,

727
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: So led Zeppeland has this amazing success. They formed swan song.

728
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: Danny Goldberg, their pr person, runs it in the US

729
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: first album out Monster Bad Company. Yeah, but nothing really

730
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: after that. Maggie Bell I think they did a pretty

731
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: things record, but you know, it was U Led Zeppelin's label.

732
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: Why did it ultimately not work for you? Vanity labels

733
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: do not work because Atlantic works. Swan song doesn't work.

734
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: When Bonzo owns the fourth of you, you've got a problem, right,

735
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: So there was nobody to turn to that, you know.

736
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: What had happened was clearly on it, you know, signed

737
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: the Zeppelin and gave them a label. And look at

738
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: the Stones and label? Did anybody ever become famous on

739
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: the Stones label? The Peter Clash record I think was

740
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: successful and was the only one, right, but Chris follow

741
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: and all the cats you know not didn't happen. Well,

742
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with us. I couldn't get hold

743
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: of Jimmy, you know. Jimmy was you know, should we

744
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: say um, you know, under the weather. And it was

745
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: very difficult to get hold of him. So he was good.

746
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: The deal was Jimmy will produce the record. We waited

747
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: a year for Jimmy Page. And you give a guy

748
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: at twenty four years old a million dollars, what do

749
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: you think is going to happen? You know? And I

750
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: spent it as it all of those boys, and we

751
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: were so strong out and and and confused and just

752
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I wanted to be married. It's a

753
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: come in and do it because I love to be

754
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: married and humble Pine. I'm sure you do too. I

755
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: think it's one of the grades, and that raw rock

756
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: and roll thing. I didn't really want to do the

757
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: sort of the butch bonzo Zeppeler thing. I wanted it

758
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: to groove a little more. But the band was the band,

759
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: and I think we lost because of that year. We

760
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: lost the really the heart of it. And were you

761
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: were you happy with the two records that came out

762
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: Antoine Song? Yes, you know I was. I thought they

763
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: were great, as though they were. They sound great, you know,

764
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: but they should. They cost a million bucks. I mean

765
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: we spent three hunder thousand dollars getting a drum sound Bob.

766
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: It was ludicrous, you know, the money and the decadence

767
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: of that time. I mean we spent most of that

768
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: recording time in the jacuzzi. Yeah, okay, but while you're

769
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: doing Detective? How many live dates to Detective? Ultimately? Do

770
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: everybody returned with kiss? Imagine her we kiss and playing

771
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: to kids dressed as Jane and Paul? You know, I

772
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: mean every we played with everyone? You're right? He you

773
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: name it, you know, and all of these bands. He's

774
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: arena bands and then at night we go play the

775
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: clubs and have you know, it would be different, but

776
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: it was always secondary. It was never primary, you know,

777
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: and that's no good for me. And again to how

778
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: did it end? But you know, very badly um and

779
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: stupid and lame and you know, shouting, and you know,

780
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: we had Tom Dowd come in and there was a

781
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: guy called John Cougar at the time and John mellon

782
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: camp and he had a song and he had a

783
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: love of World job crazy actually had a hit with

784
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, and I turned it down like a schmuck.

785
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: And uh so we broke up, you know, like any band.

786
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: These two records that you know, it's sold, but it

787
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: didn't sell enough to you know, didn't make a real

788
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: dent in the in the luxury car of rock and roll.

789
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: And I just quit. I just said that's enough. And

790
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: then I plus I saw the Pistols, you know, I

791
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: saw the Sucking Pistols in Sarrancisco. I was there and

792
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: Steve Jones, you know, I saw the show. I'm in

793
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: the hotel there, in the same hotel Steve Jones coming

794
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: down the hallway. He goes here, Michael I stole silver album,

795
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: So this is a pretty good introduction, right, So then

796
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, now, let's strip this down. Let's forget

797
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: the glamour of the seventies and the butch cocaine shop

798
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: edges of the you know, the late seventies, and you know,

799
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: let's get into this. And I got into that, and

800
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: I met Mike Chapman and he signed me as a

801
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: solo art and what happened to who produced? What would

802
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: happened on Dreamland? Right? Chairman produced my record, you know.

803
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: And I was writing with Holly Night. We wrote Obsession

804
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: and you know the rest history on that level. You know,

805
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: that was number one all over the world. Okay, a

806
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: couple of questions. Mike was the hottest. He starts his

807
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: own label, not one single thing, hits eight different acts.

808
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: Eight acts. I bet I could name them nothing but

809
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: Cinema good boy. That's fucking genius, you know. And Device, right,

810
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember that device was Holly Night. I remember

811
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: Holly Knight, but I don't remember the name of the band.

812
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: That was the name of the event. But Holly went

813
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: under right love as a battle of course, of course,

814
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: so he put me with I wrote it. I wrote

815
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: the words of a session because I was just getting soap, okay,

816
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: a little bit slower. How does obsession? What's the motivation

817
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: to write a song? To begin with? This song came

818
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: out of the fact that when I was going to

819
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: meetings and every other word was obsession. But I made it.

820
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Remember that movie The Collector with Terry Stamp. I did

821
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: not see such a beautiful movie. It's about a guy

822
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: who wins the lottery and kidnaps the girl of his

823
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: dreams and brings it back to the country and state.

824
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: So I took that story and put it together with

825
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: the word obsession. So now obsession is love, sex, whatever.

826
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: But then it was really written about narcotics, and I

827
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: just Holly was sober. It is so very played the thing,

828
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: and I say, who do you want me to be

829
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: here to make you sleep with me? You aren't upset?

830
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: Boom there it was ten minutes. Okay. Was it written

831
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: for the movie it was in? Or it just placed

832
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: in that movie. Danny placed it in it. Danny Gober

833
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: was the whatever they call it, you know, the guy

834
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: the right So he puts it in this Christopher Atkins

835
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: playing a chip and Dale stance, so it Leslie Warren,

836
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: who I dare to this day movie not a great

837
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: movie song, huge and our guy. I want that for

838
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: my band and Emotion and Emotion cuts the song as

839
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: massive one. Okay, how come me out of Motion had

840
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: the hit and your version, which is superior, was not. Well,

841
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: you're very kind to say, no, I thought that back then.

842
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I don't know why. I think

843
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: because it was a very new wavy vibe, you know,

844
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: it was unthreatening. Our version was dark, you know. But

845
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: that's why I liked it. Of course, that's why you

846
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: bob libs, so, you know, because you understand darkness, but

847
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: in fact you shine a light in the darkness. But

848
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: I I just love the fact that working with Holly,

849
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: because when you were with somebody that precise and that

850
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: clever and that melodic and that's sort of smart and spiritual,

851
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: you come up with good stuff, you know, and we

852
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: did and it was divine. I'd love it. Listen twenty

853
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: seven countries it was number one. That's okay. That begs

854
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: the question. Since you had a deal with Dreamland, who

855
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: owned the publishing Mike, so he spent all this money

856
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: on records, did you ever get paid on obsession. Obsession

857
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: has bought houses for two lives. Okay. So if there's

858
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of the song, fifty of it is

859
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: Holly's of your hundred percent, which is fifty percent of

860
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: the song, how much do you have? Three million dollars?

861
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: Not a different question? What percent of the song do

862
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: you own? Well? You get okay, Mike gets fifty. We

863
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: got fifty. We cut it up. It's still made me millions. Wow.

864
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: So i'd been okay since then, I'd been okay. Yeah,

865
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: well yeah, so does it still rain any coin? Oh

866
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: my god? Yes. You get the Spanish version, you get

867
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: the reggae version, you get the Flamenco you name it.

868
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: Man who just cut it? Um karen O, just cut it? Okay.

869
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people, uh in our demo

870
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: who sell the rights. Would you ever sell? Stupid? Don't

871
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: do that. I agree with you totally. But that's why

872
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm asked keep it. I kept everything, and you know,

873
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: and I make it. You know I do good. Okay.

874
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: Just to go one step further, if you remember, was

875
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: your publishing interest cross collateral lives on your record deal? Uh?

876
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: It was not because you know my Nikki chin right,

877
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: chen is Chairman's Yeah, Chitty Chap didn't write a word,

878
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: was on all the song. Yeah. So Nikki Cher was

879
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: a good friend of Peter Graham. Why British gangsterism, They

880
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: were both gangsters. Peter Grant drove you know, Don Arden

881
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: around don't hard and was the Crate Twins guy Don

882
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: Harden held Stevie married out the fucking window for the publishing,

883
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about publishing. So I was

884
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: hip to all of that. I knew Nikki. In fact,

885
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: Peter wins Evan spent up. Peter said fun Kim fuck them,

886
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: you know. And Nikki Chi was the only guy that

887
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: could tell Peter say, look I want to I want

888
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: to have my and and and he gave me, you know,

889
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: he gave me. Can you imagine that gave me to

890
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: Nikky chin Man. That's the head of a story, you know.

891
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: And Mike was great. It was just a brilliant producer.

892
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: I did a solo record with him, you know, and

893
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: it was fantastic. It didn't sell that, As you said,

894
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: a dream then was a nightmare. Okay, since you know

895
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: some of these characters, to what degree was Peter Grant

896
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: responsible for Lad's upland success. I think he was responsible

897
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: for guiding an incredible band. I mean, if you listen

898
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: to that first record, that first record is the key

899
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: record in terms of hard rock and roll, and it's

900
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: dynamic and it's absolutely so. You're in office, you know,

901
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: you know full well the impact that Jimmy Page's production

902
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: was on the fucl lived Stairway Heaven from that of

903
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: the band and all of these silly excuses, and it

904
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: was about the first album. Yeah, absolutely, the first album

905
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. The first album changed things. Now,

906
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: Peter took this said right, Okay, no middleman, no promoters,

907
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: fuck off merchandising. You better fucking put that t shirt

908
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: down your bustard. You've seen it in the movies. It

909
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: was that's who he was. He was this gypsy pirate

910
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: captain who loved and I'm not exaggerated the word loved

911
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page. There was his son. I mean, he would

912
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: have and I've seen him, you know, I love I

913
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: was part of that tribe for a little bit, man,

914
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, and it was exciting beyond belief because it

915
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: was so violent and it was so dramatic. Okay, now

916
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: you have continued to create Jimmy Page, once past his

917
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: peak in a couple of four days in the eighties,

918
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: has not. Why do you think that is? When you

919
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: reach the stratosphere, you want to stay there. So therefore,

920
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: every time you go out and try and do something,

921
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: you're active that your modus overanda is to be as

922
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: good as you were. It's impossible, so you find that out,

923
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: but you still do it. Now that creates a storm

924
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: and drang in your psyche, and I think that's what happened.

925
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: But what Jimmy did was not do that for these

926
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: last ten years. What he did was he turned to

927
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: the library and recreated these records and that's I think

928
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: were exactly what he should have done. The beautiful photograph books.

929
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, I have the deepest respect for Jimmy Page.

930
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: You know, both as an artist and as a man.

931
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: He became sober. Okay, and it ends with dream Land.

932
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: Then you have checkered past. How does that come together? Well,

933
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: it came together quite quickly in that um. You know,

934
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: I was working with Chairman. That didn't work, but I'm

935
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 1: still with Nigel Harrison. So I thought, well, Nigel, let's

936
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: put some band together. I'm only human and the album

937
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: that I made with Mike was a hit in England.

938
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: We went to England, we played a few shows. I

939
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: was really really stoned. Um this is came back to

940
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: New York and I was living in New York and

941
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: Nigel lived there. So we got Frank Infancie from the

942
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 1: original Blunde, Nigel and Jonesy. Jonesy was in New York,

943
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: strung out, broke, post pistols. Malcolm took all the money,

944
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: fucked up claim the greatest drummer in the world, you know,

945
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: for me was available. We did one gig at the

946
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: Peppermint Lounge. We and all the punks that they're packed

947
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: because of Jonesy and the vibe you know, Blondie and

948
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, so we opened with Vacation by

949
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: the go goes okay, you know, I know Jaffe Valentine

950
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: that that's her in emotion obsession. So how did you

951
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: decide to open with the gage because they pissed him

952
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: off because it was bulls and it was like the

953
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: perfect lace my idea. Yeah, oh, we have but one

954
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: say vacation to get away and the punks going and

955
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: and but by the middle of the song and Steve

956
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: is like kicking as and claims going wild. It was perfect.

957
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: It was like some subad or Dully three good rock

958
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: and roll pistols meets Belinda carlyle Man. It was. It

959
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: was just so arty, you know that they kids just

960
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: went nuts and the band went. Okay. So we go

961
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: to l A and we got another guitar with Tony

962
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: sales from Tim Machine, Soupy's son, in fact, junior rehearsals.

963
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: When we got stuck, we get Tony to get Soupy

964
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: on the line and make us laugh so we could

965
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: carry almost from and again that's what happened. And you know,

966
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: Tony was genius, so beautiful looking, and it was a

967
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: great rock band, great live album sucked. Yeah, okay, so

968
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: you've had four record deals. Oh yeah. In the in

969
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: the movie you say that Danny Goldbrook says your time

970
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: is up. What are you thinking? I disagreed any and

971
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to prove it to you. But but but

972
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: what happened was my acting career, you know, and the other,

973
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: of course, the other thing that happened was a little

974
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: band called power Station. You know, because what happened was

975
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: in eighty four something. Obsession was over everywhere. I'm in

976
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: Texas with Don Johnson and he's making a movie. And

977
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, we're all become such big buds with Don

978
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: Johnson because I met him in seventy two snorting coke

979
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: in Hempstead. That's how in London, and I known him

980
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: for years, way before Sunarly Crockett. So we I go

981
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: to this you like this. I go to Marshall, Texas.

982
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: He was shooting The Long Hot Summer, which is the

983
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: pot Neman movie. And we're in marshal to Ava Gardner.

984
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: Ava Gardner walked in one day with the with the

985
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: white towel and a buttle of vodka. Fa tastic. So

986
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: I get a call from Wayne. Wayne says, what are

987
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: you doing this summer? I said, I man joined the

988
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: luxury being number one all over the world. What you're doing?

989
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: And he's this, this is a band that needs a singer.

990
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: I said, what bad? He said, I can't tell you.

991
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm mysterious. Okay, will you come to

992
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: New York and meet this band? And I said, if

993
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: you send a limo for me in and you know,

994
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: and I'm at the car Alyisle. Yes, he does all

995
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: those things. I arrived JFK get in the car, go

996
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: straight to the office up to seventy for Wayne Forte

997
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: and John Taylor and Tony Thompson are sitting there looking

998
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: extraordinarily enoughous. They have a six month to a book.

999
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: There's hundreds of millions at dollars Bob and I go,

1000
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: oh ship Man, okay, so this band is number one,

1001
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: something like a hard Indeed, they take me to the studio.

1002
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: They take off Palmer's vocals. I get on the concorde.

1003
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: I fly to London right away, no sleep, to meet

1004
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: Andy Taylor, who really ran that band. So Andy comes

1005
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: in eight hours late, billowing marijuana smoke, two bodyguards. I'm

1006
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: in the control room. You know your dirty street and

1007
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeoma girl, get it home bag. You go okay, press

1008
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: the button, but let's go shopping. We go shopping. I

1009
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 1: go to Vivian Westwood. I get twenty dollars worth of clothes.

1010
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: I get back on the concorde. I got to New York.

1011
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: I get to New York at the Carlist Dons in town.

1012
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: We decided to go to she was to have dinner.

1013
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: The phone rings. I pick up the phone. You're out,

1014
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: You're out, I said, can I keep it close? And

1015
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: they said no. So they're only boxes and the thing,

1016
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: so that I thought this is very simple, Like I

1017
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: kind of casually looked over, you know, like oh yeah.

1018
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: And and so we go to dinner. You love this

1019
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: where in a restaurant she was Mamber, she was in

1020
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: New York was and we're having this, you know what,

1021
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: wonderful meal and I'm sobbing. And who who looks in

1022
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: the restaurant John Taylor. John Taylor walks at the restaurant,

1023
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: six tables away. Don Johnson goes over to the table

1024
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: and says, John garo were we even Can you come

1025
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: outsand the sidewalk and you can talk to you? And

1026
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: John says, well, yeah, all right? And how they go.

1027
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: He comes back to the table ten minutes later. I

1028
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: don't ask him what went down at all. I don't

1029
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: even talk about it is too depressed. Go back to

1030
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: the hotel. Seven am. The phone ranks, You're back in

1031
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: What how come? Because Danny Goldberg had gone to Palmer's

1032
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 1: people said give me more of the merch, give him

1033
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: more the fucking merch and MTB and boom phone call

1034
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: we need you at noon. Simple as that, well a

1035
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: little bit slower. Why did they not want you? No?

1036
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: They didn't want me because Palma dropped in again. He

1037
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: Palmer dropped him again. It was a device. Ah, it

1038
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: was all scared. I think. So I'll leave it to

1039
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: your listeners right to figure it out. But I mean, right,

1040
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm there, I'm sucking in New York, ready

1041
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: to rock. I'm skinny, I'm Leana, I can sing my

1042
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: ass off, and why would you know? So that's why,

1043
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: you know. And they knew also they only had ten songs,

1044
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: and they knew that I came with a bunch of songs,

1045
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: you know. And so the live thing was all about

1046
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: the life. There was so much money involved and live aid.

1047
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: So Palmer said very cleverly, and I respected and I

1048
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: love him and I loved him ten years before we

1049
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: got hide together. I loved his Ben Vinegar Joe, you

1050
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: remember that band, He'll keeper Brooks, loved his word Marvin Gay, gorgeous, brilliant,

1051
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: and and I dropped in and noon there I was.

1052
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: And as I go to a story of studios in

1053
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: New York, they say, well, you know, there is big

1054
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: gig in four days. It's kind of a big concert.

1055
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: I said, what's that? I said, live age. I said,

1056
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: that's a big concept. Okay, you know, and I remember

1057
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: that moment, you know, because a lot of people say, well, Michael,

1058
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: when you terrified about that? And they asked, It's absolutely not.

1059
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: I was made for moments like that. And I sang

1060
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: and I rehearsed, and I learned everything, every note, every

1061
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: syllable of Robert Palmer. I sort of did effect simile

1062
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: of it, but not really, you know, because I sing

1063
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: in a Steve Mary arrange and he's sort of down here,

1064
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: had that good jug and I'm way above that. So

1065
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: we did. We rehearsed, and we did live age. Okay,

1066
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: and you go on tour, you have this great success.

1067
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: Why does the power station not sustained? Oh, because it's

1068
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: so coked out that the kids, you know, I was

1069
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: thirty something and John and Andy were twenty two years old,

1070
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: and they were top of the the Beatles. I've never

1071
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: a scene anything like that. I've played with a lot

1072
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: about yeah, and a lot of audiences, but I have

1073
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: never seen that tsunami of sweat and topless teenagers, twenty

1074
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: thousand girls screaming their asses off. In fact, the first

1075
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: gig that I did, I walked out in the middle

1076
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: and I felt like child and motherfucking Heston as Moses

1077
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: when the Red Sea parts, because they all went over

1078
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: to John's side, they all went over to Andy's left

1079
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: with this big trough, you know. But that was I

1080
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: didn't worry about that stuff. The one time I got

1081
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: upset was one guy, and I was very wicked about this.

1082
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: But one guy comes up with the Robert Palmer album

1083
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: in the front. Always one guy, and that's the guy,

1084
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, obsessed about it, you know, but not me,

1085
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: not me. I kicked him in the face with my capizios,

1086
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: which probably didn't hurt very much because only way like

1087
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: ninety two pounds at the time. But he yeah, he

1088
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: got what he deserved. And and then once I didn't

1089
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: really hit him, you know, but what happened was the

1090
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: girls around him jumped him and started to scratch his

1091
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: face and it was so fulliny, you know. And that

1092
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: was one of the very first gigs. And John and

1093
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: Andy were over looking and looking at me, what has happened?

1094
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: Amazing episodes, but that was one of them. But the

1095
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: live and experience by Bill Graham, who was a monster

1096
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: on anybody's determination, would you agree, well, he was fantastical.

1097
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: The finances worked for him. Shall we say he introduced

1098
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: acts and music to you know, hundreds of thousands of people.

1099
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: The problem was he was a monster while he was

1100
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: doing it. You know. What happened to us was we

1101
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: came on to do the thing and Andy's amper blown

1102
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: up and Bill Graham was reaching, I mean really screaming

1103
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: at us. I smiled my way through. You can look

1104
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: at the thing on YouTube, but I'm just grinning from faith,

1105
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, because nothing was going to get in my way.

1106
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: And then we get the right amp and Bill Graham,

1107
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, you'll never eat lunch in this town again,

1108
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, God bless you, but

1109
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: get out of my way. And I just sang ten

1110
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: minutes and it was beautiful and enjoyed every fucking minute

1111
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: on me. Okay, when power station comes to a close,

1112
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: where does that leave you? Emotionally leaves me in a

1113
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: white Rose RoCE driving to Paramount Studios to audition for mcgever.

1114
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: That's how did that? How did that? Opportunity wright? My agent?

1115
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: My agent called me said they want an assassin for

1116
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: one episode. You want to go up to Vancouver and

1117
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: make Tim Grant? I said yeah, and I go, okay, Well,

1118
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: well how did you get an acting agent? Um, well,

1119
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: everybody wanted me at that time because I spent there

1120
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: was five months, six months making relationships. I got tickets

1121
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: for people in different cities. When I played New York,

1122
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: I got people at the Ritz, you know, a surprise gig,

1123
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: and I made relationships with agents and publicists. I knew

1124
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: I had to think of something to do after this.

1125
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: When I came to l A, I had a lot

1126
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: of people come and see me free. I got the tickets,

1127
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: got them at Lamin at the leamits simply said get

1128
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: it off. Yeah, because I would hand them out to girls.

1129
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: But that's another story. So they all come in. So

1130
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: I've made relationships book, I'm not an idiot, and they

1131
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, an agent, said Articia, And uh. The first

1132
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: gig that they you know that the auditioned for was

1133
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: to play Murdoch on mc ivor, which went down very well,

1134
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: and I did it for the next five years and

1135
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: other As you referenced, Drulier IMDb credits are very long.

1136
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: How did all these other opportunities come as a result

1137
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: of agent relationship or your work on a diver? Both

1138
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: the agents? Would you know? Because I became the dere

1139
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: Goo rock star. So I did that everywhere, Rockford Files,

1140
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: just shoot me, you know all of it. I played,

1141
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, rock and rollsters forever. But then I started

1142
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: to get this high cheekbone Jeremy Iron's bad guy English cheek.

1143
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean that that you didn't

1144
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: mind being type cast? I love the cast. Who cares?

1145
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: Who gets what the type is? Baby? You know, I

1146
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: just want to be cast. Okay, So how does it

1147
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: end with Miss Pamela? Well, you know, horrible Nick was

1148
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: twelve just breaks my heart even to this day. You know,

1149
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: we we were good friends, and she's good friends with

1150
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: Britt and my wife, and but it was very, very painful.

1151
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: But I had to do it. I had to become

1152
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: a singular human being for a while and not depend

1153
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: on everybody. That's what the real trip is. You know,

1154
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: permitted everything for me. You know, I never never, as

1155
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: I said before, and I say it with any sense

1156
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: of pride or you know, any of that stuff. I

1157
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: just couldn't work the system, and I had to learn

1158
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't drive a car. My son had a few

1159
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 1: psychological issues, and we put him in a beautiful place

1160
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: to work stuff out, and it was way way way

1161
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: from me, and I learned to drive in order to

1162
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: see him and be with him, and I started to

1163
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: grow up. And that's what happened, and that's what I

1164
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: learned from my time with Miss Pamela. And she knew that,

1165
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: she knew that I had to break away to become,

1166
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, a man. Then how did she take it? Badly? Weeping?

1167
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: You know? So long did it take her to get

1168
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: over it? If she ever got over it? Nobody ever

1169
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: gets over leaving me, Bob. I don't think anybody gets

1170
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: over no matter even if they're not you. You have

1171
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: to make it more difficult. Now, I've always stayed in

1172
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: touch with people. I don't just drop the thing, you know.

1173
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: I always try, you know, with everyone to ease it.

1174
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: I've never been wicked about it, you know, I just

1175
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: have a short attention spa. Okay, So how do you

1176
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: end up poking up with little Stephen and getting your

1177
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: radio show check it past? Supported Stephen with those five

1178
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: out you know, those five incredible holms you made, and

1179
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: I think it was the second one, and were supporting

1180
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: him and I got to know him and I just

1181
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: fell in love with his commitment, as everybody does. Because

1182
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: this guy is the most important guy to me in

1183
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: my life, and I dore him, you know. And what

1184
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: happened was I had an internet interview show and I

1185
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: was interviewing Marianna Williamson and Maureen van z and his

1186
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: beautiful wife saw it. Andrew Lou Goldham, who was the

1187
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: DJ at Little Stephen's undergand Garage, as you might recall,

1188
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: brilliant man, love him. Um, you know, I had to

1189
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: leave for various personal reasons, and Stevie was stuck with

1190
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: Who's going to be the morning Daja in New York

1191
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: and Maureen I had seen this thing and said, you know,

1192
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: whispered in Steven's he get him, you know, And he did.

1193
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: And I've been there almost seven years. Wow. And it

1194
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: continues that long because because I'm really good at it.

1195
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: What makes you so good? Because I give context? That's

1196
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 1: a good answering. I have no response to that. Okay,

1197
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: how much acting or how much interest in acting do

1198
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: you have? At this point? They pay me a fortune

1199
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: to do the reboot of mc ivor a couple of

1200
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: times this season, but right now that's moot. You know.

1201
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: I've been working on the two things. One a book

1202
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: of poetry, two, The Sadest, which is a musical about Desode. Okay,

1203
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: so in this long career, what did you learn? Be kind,

1204
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: be cool, be courageous? And now that you've lived through

1205
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's a There was the Elvis period and

1206
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: then of course the Beatles started the British invasion and

1207
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 1: blew up the business. All this sixty years of music history,

1208
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: maybe seventy years. What's your perspective on it now? Is

1209
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: supposed to living through it? Oh wow, but come on, man,

1210
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. My perspective on music now is very much

1211
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: buried in the in the in the past and bringing

1212
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: that into the present. These songs that I play on

1213
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,440
Speaker 1: this radio station, Stephen did the playlist for our mantras,

1214
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: and I treat them as such. I believe that, you know,

1215
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: you keep me hanging on from Vanilla Fudge uh Reinterpreting

1216
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: the superin is a fantastic thing. I love the temptationous,

1217
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: I love about his writing. I left generally hook up,

1218
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: but I also love Turned Resident and you know, and

1219
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: Jack White and you know, we play that and we

1220
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: play new baths. We have interduced used a thousand new

1221
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: bands on Little Steven's underground gross since its inception, and

1222
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, do play this music and giving this music,

1223
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, two people as a gift rather than taking

1224
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, the crown and the gold records and stuff.

1225
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: Do I listen to contemporary music, Yes, of course I do.

1226
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,480
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a huge Billy Ilish man obviously,

1227
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: and lyrically. I think that, you know, black songs matter,

1228
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean the rap world

1229
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible dialogue from them, so I'm very fascinated

1230
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: by that. But you must remember that I'm doing a

1231
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: three hour a day radio program. Yeah, you know, you

1232
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: work your ass off. I don't even know how you

1233
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: do it. I don't know how you watch Netflix so much.

1234
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: You do so much work as I do. You know,

1235
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm always working and that's the way I live my life.

1236
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: But I don't really spend much time on current music.

1237
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: I really just as ocup otis redding, you know, and

1238
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: and give it back to the people. Okay, I'm Little

1239
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: Steven's underground garage. He picks the songs that you play. Yes,

1240
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: his playlist is static. Every now and then new songs

1241
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: will come in. He has a label called Wicked Cool Records,

1242
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: so he has new bands on that and and certainly

1243
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: some bands that have you know, other bands and they

1244
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: create you know, clamors in a thousand bands, you know

1245
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: clamb and he puts out this extraordinary rock and soul music. Um,

1246
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: he's got signed a new artist called Jesse Wagner. So

1247
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: we play new music. You know. I just did a ballad,

1248
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: made a ballad Adamantic in the UK, which which Stephen produced,

1249
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: which we used an orchestra with that song because of

1250
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: what's going on, um to quote Marvin Kay. So there

1251
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: is a contemporized action. But the playlist is very biblical

1252
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: and very clear. Okay, Now you made these records for

1253
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: Wicked Cool Records. Uh, that's a fun experience and there's

1254
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: a certain amount of exposure through your friends and the

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Speaker 1: radio station. Is there any personal plan to try to

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Speaker 1: make that bigger? Well? I the monetization of the songs

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Speaker 1: that I've written a incredible because it sounds exchange, which

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're aware of it and you listen as

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Speaker 1: you know, that is a thing that gives you the

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01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: money from satellite you know, another internet play. Yeah, and

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: I make a lot because I've done a lot of

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: songs for Stephen, you know, and yet another reason to

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 1: love him right now. In the movie, you also say

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Speaker 1: I always ask to some creative people because uh, like

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Speaker 1: the A C. D C song A long way to

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Speaker 1: the top. Most of them been ripped off and underpaid.

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Speaker 1: But you say, you have enough money to get to

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Speaker 1: the end, get stopped today. No, I have that a

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Speaker 1: long time. You know, I've got my ass out over

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Speaker 1: the is. And you know, I wonder if he has

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Speaker 1: an American television that means somewhere you're gonna see me

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Speaker 1: as a major? Do you as a rock and roor

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01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: as an assassin in Sweden? You know, if I get

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Speaker 1: three dollars, but those three dollars mount up and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, residuous royalties, all of these things. My incredible

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Speaker 1: radio experience. You know, I have five million listeners every

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Speaker 1: day and they buy things from me. And for you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm an imposition, having for quite some time to not work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but then what would you do with yourself? Exactly? And

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01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: you finally married your girlfriend? What was the motivation there?

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: She wanted to be married and I wanted to marry her.

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: It was at the winter solstice I proposed to the

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01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: hunted in Hartford. It was spectacular, but because she wanted

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Speaker 1: to get married on the winter solstice, the only place

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01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: and that day that was open was a facility in Compton.

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Speaker 1: So we go to Compton. It's brilliant black a woman

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Speaker 1: married us and the witness was a young back girl

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Speaker 1: and it was one of the most unbelievable. Nobody there

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Speaker 1: nobody that, no celebrities, no nothing. Don Johnson wasn't my

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01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: best man. Gabriel Burn did not give a bouquet to

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Speaker 1: my wife, none of that. And I could have done

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Speaker 1: all of that bollocks, but I thought, let's do this,

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Speaker 1: Let's just do this together. Then we went to an

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Speaker 1: English tea restaurant owned by Edmund, who wore a green

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01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: velvet jacket with slightly ripped on the show. But you know,

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01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: it gave us the worst sandwiches ever, you know, with

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Speaker 1: a crust cutter. But it was a beautiful day. And

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Speaker 1: I'm so proud to be married to my wife. And

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Speaker 1: we're a great team, especially now where we've got to

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Speaker 1: be on a good team. Oh absolutely, in isolation. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for telling your story to my audience. I

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01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: know you have a lot of fuel left in the tank.

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Speaker 1: This has been great to have you, Michael. Thanks so much, Bob.

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Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to it tremendously. I love everything

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Speaker 1: you do, I read everything's and for the most practically Okay,

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Speaker 1: on that note, till next time. This is Bob leftsas