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Speaker 1: Welcome to Had a Money.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joel and I am Matt, and.

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Speaker 3: Today we're talking digital nomadism, if that's a word on

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Speaker 3: a dime with Becca Siegel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So you've heard about being a digital nomad, right.

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Speaker 2: You've probably seen it in the headlines where they're talking

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Speaker 2: like there's always like these future articles like featuring somebody

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Speaker 2: awesome looking doing something really cool, and you probably thought

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Speaker 2: to yourself, nobody actually does that wrong because we are

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Speaker 2: joined by a real life digital nomad, Becca Siegel from

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Speaker 2: Half Half Travel. And of course Becca is a well

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Speaker 2: traveled photographer and digital content creator. She's got a unique

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Speaker 2: approach to travel, blogging, and remote work that we're going

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Speaker 2: to spend a lot of time discussing today. She has

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Speaker 2: contributed her travel expertise to various publications like USA Today,

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Speaker 2: Huffington Post, and her and her husband have been featured

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Speaker 2: in the Oprah magazine, Lonely Planet, Travel and Leisure, lots

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Speaker 2: of other places. And today we're really excited to talk

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Speaker 2: about the ins and outs of being a digital nomad,

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Speaker 2: how to go about doing it, how to find that

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Speaker 2: flexible job that remote work. But then in addition to that,

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Speaker 2: we're going to hopefully talk about like choosing where to

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Speaker 2: go and even traveling with a baby. Maybe we'll have

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Speaker 2: time to get to that as well. But Becca, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us today on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for having me.

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Speaker 5: As you know, I am a huge how to money

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Speaker 5: fan and being here is just super cool for me.

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Speaker 4: So thanks for having me today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was telling you before we start recording, most

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Speaker 3: guests are like, I don't even know who you guys are,

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Speaker 3: but I joined you because you asked. But yeah, the

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Speaker 3: fact that you actually listen is awesome, So thank you

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Speaker 3: for that.

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Speaker 2: Like, honestly, that's what was so cool about podcasts at

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Speaker 2: least our show is. I mean the fact that like

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Speaker 2: one episode we can we can talk with an editor

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Speaker 2: at a highly esteemed publication whose work we've been following

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Speaker 2: for years, and the next week we're able to talk

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Speaker 2: to somebody that we would not have otherwise known if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't for the podcast because she listens to us.

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Speaker 2: It is so cool. Such a I don't know, accessible medium.

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Speaker 2: It's small one of the many reasons I like podcasting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, Okay, The first question we have to

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Speaker 3: get to with you, Becca, as you know, is what's

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Speaker 3: your craft beer equivalent?

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Speaker 1: What are you.

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Speaker 3: Spending money on cheap? Answer will be trappable. What are

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Speaker 3: you spending money on proactively in the here and now

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Speaker 3: while you're also doing the smart thing, you're saving and

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Speaker 3: investing for your future.

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Speaker 5: So I thought long and hard about this, and I

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Speaker 5: thought I would mention flights, but that has been said

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Speaker 5: a lot of episodes recently on your show.

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Speaker 4: So I said, I have to be different.

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Speaker 5: I think that my craft beer equivalent is shelter, and

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Speaker 5: that is because I have spent a lot of my

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Speaker 5: life in high cost of living areas. And while many

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Speaker 5: people in the country might think, hmm, that's not for me.

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Speaker 5: I want my money to go to other places, you know,

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Speaker 5: like whatever they else, whatever else they enjoy in life.

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Speaker 5: For me, living in places like New York City and

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Speaker 5: important and has added value to my life.

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Speaker 4: So that is somewhere that I put a lot of value.

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Speaker 3: Is that because of like proximity to cool stuff or conveniences.

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Speaker 3: The what's the main reason you're willing to spend more

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Speaker 5: I might be biased, but having been born in New

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Speaker 5: the world. Sorry, Atlanta, but I think there's just a

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Speaker 5: the culture, and then of course, as we were saying

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Speaker 5: having a big array of flights to choose from when

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Speaker 2: That's right, And we want to hear about your history

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Speaker 2: because from what I understand, you met your husband Dan

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Speaker 2: at a craft beer bar, which is something that we

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Speaker 5: Yeah, our story is a bit of a unique one.

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Speaker 5: So we met actually a very run of the Millway.

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Speaker 5: We met on a social dating app on our phones

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Speaker 4: So we met and we our first date was at

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Speaker 5: So we met and within a few of our first dates,

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Speaker 5: Dan said, you know, I'm really interested in traveling. I

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Speaker 5: big part of me is that I spent two and

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Speaker 5: a half years living in East Asia in my twenties.

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Speaker 5: I studied abroad in Hong Kong, and then I worked

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Speaker 5: He's a web developer, and during that time we were

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Speaker 5: which if you check out our Instagram, which is half

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Speaker 5: My mom was blown away. There was very cool stuff

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Speaker 5: So now we're reaching millions of viewers on half half

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Speaker 5: travel dot com, where we share everything from you know,

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Speaker 5: you know, things just kind of unfolded from there, and

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Speaker 5: so Dan and I got married in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 5: we all travel as a family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's so cool, and like the way it started.

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Speaker 3: Your love together from abroad, you know the photos, it's like,

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Speaker 3: that's just a cool way you're apart. This is a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was well.

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Speaker 5: And during that time, I was living and working in

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Speaker 3: Remote Year versu kind of DIY digital nomadism. What is

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Speaker 5: with family, maybe you actually don't, you know, have a

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Speaker 5: home and you just pay for wherever you're living. And

444
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Speaker 5: I know people who actually in our like remote year community.

445
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Speaker 5: We know other people who are full time geographic arbitrageers,

446
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Speaker 5: like full time digital emads. They do not have homes.

447
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Speaker 5: They just they'll go to Mexico for three months, They'll

448
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Speaker 5: go to Morocco for three months.

449
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Speaker 4: You know that.

450
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Speaker 5: Then home is wherever your WiFi connects automatically.

451
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Speaker 4: That's what people say. I don't know if you've heard

452
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Speaker 4: that before.

453
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Speaker 2: It seems like a digital nomadism.

454
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Speaker 4: I would love to, you know, I'm sure people have

455
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Speaker 4: it like tattooed on their arms and stuff.

456
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess crossed it. I guess it's crossed it.

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Speaker 5: So what you're asking about the financial aspect is are

458
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Speaker 5: you paying two rents at one time or you know,

459
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Speaker 5: are you out and about and you don't have any

460
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Speaker 5: strings attached back home.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm getting at.

462
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Speaker 5: And then for the community that you asked about, so

463
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Speaker 5: I think a big plus of if you want to

464
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Speaker 5: go and work remotely, and you want to go for

465
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Speaker 5: months at a time and you want to never look back,

466
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Speaker 5: and you don't want to do it, alone going with

467
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Speaker 5: a program like Remote Year or Wi Fi Tribe or

468
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Speaker 5: Hacker Paradise. You can look all these up online, but

469
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Speaker 5: going with a program like that automatically buys you into

470
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Speaker 5: the community of people who I don't want to say

471
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Speaker 5: are like you, but are different from you at the

472
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Speaker 5: same time. And I think one of the biggest aspects

473
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Speaker 5: is you're meeting people who you never would have met

474
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Speaker 5: at home because they're from all over the country and

475
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Speaker 5: all over the world, and the one thing you have

476
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Speaker 5: in common is that you are all working remotely, hopefully

477
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Speaker 5: full time, hopefully on somewhat of the same schedule, and

478
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Speaker 5: you get to all socialize whenever you're not in your

479
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Speaker 5: coaking space working on your work. When we did the

480
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Speaker 5: same type of digital med travel on our own.

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Speaker 4: It was lacking in the community aspect.

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Speaker 5: I mean when I keep mentioning Taiwan because I love

483
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Speaker 5: it there so much, But when we went there, I

484
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Speaker 5: was lucky enough to meet up with a friend from

485
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Speaker 5: high school and meet up with a friend of the family,

486
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Speaker 5: and we actually even met up with someone we met

487
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Speaker 5: in Columbia, which was totally wild and at a house party,

488
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Speaker 5: like you really never know what can happen but we

489
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Speaker 5: didn't have, like, you know, a group of friends, or

490
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Speaker 5: we also weren't there long enough to meet those types

491
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Speaker 5: of people who we could trust in form relationships with

492
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Speaker 5: and you know, share our lives with and stuff, because

493
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Speaker 5: at the end of the day, we had flights out

494
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Speaker 5: back home.

495
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Speaker 4: So we've done it both ways.

496
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Speaker 5: And I'm a very community oriented person, which is why

497
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Speaker 5: I'm so happy with where we've moved recently, and it

498
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Speaker 5: is why I was so happy in New York for

499
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Speaker 5: so many years, you know, as a young couple, just

500
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Speaker 5: like with all these friends from all these.

501
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Speaker 4: Different parts of my life.

502
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Speaker 5: Community is very important to us, and I think if

503
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Speaker 5: someone is looking for community, you're not going to really

504
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Speaker 5: get that by doing the whole thing like hodgepodge on

505
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Speaker 5: your own.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, that makes sense.

507
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Speaker 2: That's yeah.

508
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Speaker 3: Another plus for a program like that, right, just making

509
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Speaker 3: it a little more seamless, and also just helping connect

510
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Speaker 3: you to other people who are in a similar phase

511
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Speaker 3: of life, wants some similar things. All Right, We've got

512
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Speaker 3: more questions to get to with you, Becca, and specifically

513
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Speaker 3: you want to talk about how you decide where what

514
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Speaker 3: destinations you're going to go to and wyte to travel

515
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Speaker 3: for less. We'll get to some questions on that front

516
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Speaker 3: right after this.

517
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Speaker 2: We are back for the break, talking with Becka s.

518
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Speaker 2: Siegel about, like Joel said at the beginning, being a

519
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Speaker 2: digital nomad on a dime, and Becca, like you were saying,

520
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Speaker 2: a big part of literally being a digital nomad is

521
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Speaker 2: the ability to kind of sustain your life essentially just

522
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Speaker 2: like you went at home, except for your somewhere else.

523
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Speaker 2: And a big part of that is also generating income,

524
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Speaker 2: having some revenue and so having a flexible work from

525
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Speaker 2: home job seems like it's kind of a kind of

526
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Speaker 2: a necessity, and it sounds like that's something that you

527
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Speaker 2: and your husband were able to negotiate with the kind.

528
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Speaker 1: Of work that y'all had.

529
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Speaker 2: But if folks are working in person and their employer

530
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Speaker 2: isn't flexible, though, like where would you suggest that they

531
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Speaker 2: start looking for jobs? Because I could see some folks

532
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Speaker 2: saying that, oh my gosh, like I hear Beca speak,

533
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Speaker 2: she's clearly passionate about this. I love hearing about this

534
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Speaker 2: wild house party and Taiwan like, and folks were.

535
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Speaker 1: Saying, like, I want that, but my boss said no.

536
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Speaker 2: Or they're just in a completely different line of work

537
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Speaker 2: and so I think there might be some folks who

538
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Speaker 2: are just building something from scratch when it comes to

539
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Speaker 2: online work. Do you have any advice for folks there?

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Speaker 5: Wow, this is a tough fee honestly, because from time

541
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Speaker 5: to time, during you know, these years in New York,

542
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Speaker 5: that I was unhappy at my job and which kind

543
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Speaker 5: of sparked in to say like.

544
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Speaker 4: You should quit, and I was like, but I don't

545
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Speaker 4: want to quit.

546
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Speaker 5: But I finally did quit and went back you know,

547
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 5: remote part time and didn't love it, but.

548
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Speaker 4: Did it because it allowed us to get out and travel.

549
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Speaker 5: It's really kind of like a double edged sword because

550
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Speaker 5: if you like what you do and it just won't

551
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Speaker 5: let you be remote. I mean, some people are really

552
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Speaker 5: passionate about what they do or they're very specialized in something,

553
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Speaker 5: and if that's not a remote type of job, you

554
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Speaker 5: can get creative by you know, becoming a type of consultant,

555
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Speaker 5: maybe on the road, consulting in what it is you

556
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Speaker 5: are an expert in. And then aside from that, I

557
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Speaker 5: would recommend checking out a lot of the remote job

558
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Speaker 5: boards that just exist out there. And I think what

559
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Speaker 5: you have to go into it knowing is that a

560
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Speaker 5: lot of remote jobs are maybe paying a little bit

561
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Speaker 5: less nowadays because so many jobs want to bring people

562
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Speaker 5: back into the offices. Like having listened to How to

563
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Speaker 5: Money for the last four years, you guys talk so

564
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Speaker 5: much about the remote work revolution and being flexible, but

565
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Speaker 5: I've also listened to all your episodes on about how

566
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Speaker 5: people who don't go into offices aren't getting promoted and

567
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 5: aren't really seen as you know, the people who kind

568
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Speaker 5: of mill around the office being present.

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Speaker 4: So it's a tough time I think right now. And

570
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Speaker 4: I don't know if the.

571
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Speaker 5: World is going to slide back into a remote work revolution.

572
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Speaker 5: Maybe this hybrid thing is going to go out of

573
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Speaker 5: style in a few years. We might kind of see

574
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Speaker 5: that in the future. But there are still a lot

575
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Speaker 5: of remote roles out there. It's just that not all

576
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Speaker 5: of them are like based in New York or LA

577
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Speaker 5: or San Francisco, paying those types of salaries.

578
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Speaker 4: So there are a few sacrifices that may have to be.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, the financial sacrifice. Did you see me folks

580
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Speaker 2: who are out there doing the odd jobs on some

581
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Speaker 2: of the different platforms out there, like I'm thinking of

582
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Speaker 2: like up work or fiver or something like that, were like,

583
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Speaker 2: did you see many folks who were able to sustain

584
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Speaker 2: enough income people living abroad. Yeah, while piecemealing it together

585
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Speaker 2: with various projects like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: I think it depends and this will lead us definitely

588
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Speaker 5: into a great topic. But it depends where in the

589
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Speaker 5: world you're really trying to make a living, Because if

590
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Speaker 5: you're in Norway, you're going to have to be bringing

591
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Speaker 5: in thousands of dollars on upwork.

592
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Speaker 4: But if you're in Thailand you could make it work

593
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Speaker 4: with you know, a lot less.

594
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Speaker 5: And it also I think a lot of Originally I

595
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Speaker 5: thought a lot of digital nomads are doing engineering work

596
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Speaker 5: like web developers, web designers, ux the tech stuff. But

597
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Speaker 5: I've met a lot of people who are real designers

598
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Speaker 5: and writers and consultants and people who do like things

599
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Speaker 5: you've never heard of, just remotely. And I think it's

600
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Speaker 5: been inspiring to see new jobs are being invented all

601
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Speaker 5: the time. I think that's if someone is getting a

602
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Speaker 5: bit down about the fact that they have to go

603
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Speaker 5: into an office or you know, something like something like

604
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Speaker 5: what I do can't be done remotely, there's always a

605
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Speaker 5: first person who's going to say, no, I'm the first

606
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Speaker 5: person who does this type of work remotely. You know,

607
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Speaker 5: if it can be surgery, not so much. But if

608
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Speaker 5: you can become just an expert for hire in what

609
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Speaker 5: you do, I think there's probably some potential there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't do surgery be a zoom yet maybe someday,

611
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Speaker 3: let's take a game of no I would game of

612
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Speaker 3: operation or something like that. Okay, So you mentioned the

613
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Speaker 3: dichotomy between a place like Thailand and Norway. I don't

614
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Speaker 3: know if you can get a much starker contrast. You've

615
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Speaker 3: avoided Norway to this point for that reason. I've been

616
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Speaker 3: to Norway. It's very costly, So I can't imagine there

617
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Speaker 3: are many digital nomads making Norway their home over an

618
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Speaker 3: extended period of time, because you just gonna run out

619
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Speaker 3: of money a lot faster. So how do you decide

620
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Speaker 3: on destinations? And the thing is too when with digital nomadism,

621
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Speaker 3: airfare prices matter less because you're going on to extended trip,

622
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Speaker 3: you're thinking about all the other costs associated with it.

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Speaker 3: For most novice travelers who are going somewhere for five, six,

624
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Speaker 3: seven days, the airfare price is like top of mind. So, yeah,

625
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Speaker 3: what's most enticing to you when you're thinking about where

626
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Speaker 3: you want to travel.

627
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Speaker 5: Yeah, still to this day, even though we are no

628
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Speaker 5: longer going for really big trip.

629
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Speaker 4: Well we've just went on a kind of big trip,

630
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Speaker 4: but we're no.

631
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Speaker 5: Longer going on huge you know, open jaw or one

632
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Speaker 5: way tickets because we have a kid. We're still hyper

633
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Speaker 5: focused on the cost of travel where we're going, and

634
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Speaker 5: we think it's more fun to go places where you

635
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Speaker 5: don't get bogged down by the cost of accommodation and

636
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 5: eating out and you know, entertainment. We love going places

637
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: where you get a huge bang for your buck, you

638
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 5: feel like a king, you feel like nothing can get

639
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 5: in your way of ordering whatever you want on the menu,

640
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Speaker 5: and staying in a really great type of accommodation, where

641
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 5: a place where your budget is going so much farther

642
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 5: than it would in Yes, Norway, Singapore, Switzerland, places like that.

643
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Speaker 5: So some of our favorite trips to date, and not

644
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Speaker 5: necessarily where we've done any type of remote work, but

645
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 5: just places we've gone that have had the best price

646
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 5: of travel to name have been me and Maar, Vietnam,

647
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 5: parts of Mexico, parts of Colombia, Sri Lanka, and Lithuania.

648
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Speaker 1: So all over the place.

649
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Speaker 2: You definitely didn't mention London or Paris. What I think

650
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Speaker 2: what you said to say true though, like the ability

651
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Speaker 2: to have more fun because you're not constantly thinking, oh

652
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Speaker 2: my gosh, this better be worth it because we're paying

653
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Speaker 2: out the nose for this trip or for this I

654
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Speaker 2: don't know, Eiffel Tower tour or something.

655
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Speaker 3: I mean, like a big mac meal in Oslo, like

656
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Speaker 3: literally just going to McDonald's. It's like twenty four So

657
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Speaker 3: that's going to send you back.

658
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Speaker 2: Well, I think so much of what makes a fun

659
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Speaker 2: trip are some of the things that you do while

660
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Speaker 2: you're there, of course, but like I'm thinking about finding

661
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Speaker 2: free things to do and so like where do you

662
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Speaker 2: turn when you are trying to figure out what it

663
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Speaker 2: is that you want to do, like and where to

664
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Speaker 2: go within a new city, within a new location. And

665
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Speaker 2: I guess I'm curious too, like how strict are you

666
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Speaker 2: when it comes to planning out your travel, Like do

667
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Speaker 2: you have a really strict approach to planning out your

668
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 2: day or is it more kind of like flying by

669
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Speaker 2: the seat of your pants? But I guess, yeah, I

670
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Speaker 2: would love to hear you maybe your overall philosophy of

671
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Speaker 2: planning a vacation or a trip like that.

672
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I used to be in the boat of

673
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Speaker 5: like someone who wanted to go somewhere and see literally everything,

674
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Speaker 5: and if I didn't.

675
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Speaker 4: See it, I was going to be really disappointed.

676
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Speaker 5: And I'm thinking specifically of the time I went to

677
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Speaker 5: Guatemala for my first time with my friend, and we

678
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 5: wanted to see everything, and she was totally down to

679
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 5: see everything, and we spent so much time in transit

680
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 5: that we did see all the things, but we were

681
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 5: and we were on buses every other day when we

682
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: could have been all so seeing things. So I think

683
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Speaker 5: that was the last time. And I was about twenty

684
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Speaker 5: five or twenty six years old on that trip. I

685
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 5: think that was the last time I said, my gosh,

686
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Speaker 5: I don't have the energy for this anymore. I have

687
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: to figure out, you know, a way to go places

688
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 5: and travel slower. And that's something that's also trending these days,

689
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 5: is called slow travel. Actually, there's been another term developed

690
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: called digital slowmadism.

691
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Speaker 2: Oh, we have to change the title episode.

692
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Speaker 5: That's for people who want to travel slower and spend

693
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 5: more time in a place, getting to know that place,

694
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Speaker 5: getting to feel like you live in that place. It's

695
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Speaker 5: also better for the environment, and it's less hiring than

696
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: really flying around, you know, taking lots of flights, taking

697
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 5: lots of buses. None of this is good for the environment,

698
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 5: and it's not good for anyone's like health either to

699
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 5: be sitting on a bus or trainer even in a

700
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Speaker 5: car all the time. But the question was, how do

701
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: I really plan my travel? So these days it depends

702
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Speaker 5: if we have our daughter with us, but typically we do.

703
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Speaker 4: We recently went to Mediine.

704
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Speaker 5: Columbia with our daughter, and we had a bunch of

705
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Speaker 5: things that like we wanted to do in general, Like

706
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Speaker 5: the first half of this trip we stayed with friends

707
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Speaker 5: and I really just wanted to see the village where

708
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Speaker 5: we were staying and it was beautiful, and I loosely

709
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Speaker 5: wanted to go do some hikes, but you know, actually

710
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Speaker 5: we have a baby. We didn't get around to any

711
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Speaker 5: of it. There's nap time, there's meal time, there's early bedtime.

712
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Speaker 5: You have to account for either you getting sick, baby

713
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Speaker 5: getting sick.

714
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: Someone gets sick.

715
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Speaker 5: So we didn't get to do any hiking, but we

716
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Speaker 5: got to see a really beautiful village, and then we

717
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 5: spent some time in Mediine, where the only thing on

718
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: my agenda was let's drink really good coffee. And I

719
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Speaker 5: think at this point in my life, you know, just

720
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Speaker 5: being somewhere. And I recently wrote a piece for our

721
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Speaker 5: blog about this, called how traveling with the baby has

722
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Speaker 5: changed the game. It's not that my expectations are lower,

723
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Speaker 5: It's that I'm happy with less, Like I'm happy being

724
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Speaker 5: away and enjoying just where I am, you know, just

725
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Speaker 5: like appreciating looking around and just not being home, being

726
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Speaker 5: somewhere and taking that all in. So even having a

727
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Speaker 5: really good cup of coffee at a coffee shop, we're enjoying,

728
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 5: like checks my boxes for the day.

729
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotcha, So okay.

730
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Speaker 3: Used to be like it's got to be an eight

731
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: mile hike, or I got to go see three top

732
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Speaker 3: things on my list, or but now it's like a

733
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Speaker 3: super chill morning at a coffee shop.

734
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Speaker 1: That's what kind of hits the.

735
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Speaker 3: Right note, which makes sense, Like as we get older,

736
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: the things that we want out of our travel experiences

737
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: they morphin, they change, and the things we're comfortable with

738
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: morph and change too. Think about I did CouchSurfing back

739
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: in the day. One of my good friends met his

740
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: wife CouchSurfing in New Orleans. I mean, those are the

741
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: kind of experiences I was willing to sign up for

742
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: back in the day, sleeping in a tent, all that

743
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And I'd still be down with a

744
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: tent sleep every now and again. But my standards have

745
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: changed and I'm not like four seasons are bust, but

746
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: like not a like hostele with like eight people I

747
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: don't know yet right or currently, So okay, talk to

748
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Speaker 3: me about settling down having a baby and what that

749
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Speaker 3: does to your wanderlust in general, Like do you feel

750
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Speaker 3: like you've dialed back your expectations for how much you

751
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: can and want to travel and how often you're willing

752
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: to get out there too?

753
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Speaker 1: Wow?

754
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Speaker 5: These are questions that I've actually really mulled over in

755
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 5: the last week since I wrote this pace for our blog.

756
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Speaker 4: About traveling with the baby.

757
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Speaker 5: And when I had the baby, I kind of just

758
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Speaker 5: like I stepped back and I was like, oh, my god,

759
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 5: having a kid is so hard. You're caring for a

760
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 5: new person. This baby didn't come with a guidebook, like,

761
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: you know, how do we do it?

762
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: No one's sleeping.

763
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 5: We're figuring out what this baby eats and how they

764
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Speaker 5: like to play.

765
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Speaker 4: And I said the fact.

766
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Speaker 5: Of going away again is so overwhelming, you know, how

767
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 5: do we bring all this stuff the baby needs?

768
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Speaker 4: But with time we figured it out.

769
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Speaker 5: And for our first flight with her, we went to

770
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Speaker 5: Canada last summer, and you know, everybody survives, it went

771
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Speaker 5: well and we had a great time.

772
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Speaker 4: Like taking our baby around. People are like, oh my god, your.

773
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Speaker 5: Baby's so cute, and we're like, hah, we don't now,

774
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Speaker 5: but like, yeah, that was the first travel experience we

775
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 5: had that was like far away and really felt like

776
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 5: we were in our element again, you know, like going

777
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: through an airport, getting the bags, using our passports, using

778
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Speaker 5: our global entry, doing all those things we love that

779
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 5: give us a high. We just had another tiny person

780
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Speaker 5: with us. And so now having gone to South America

781
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 5: recently with the baby doing it all again.

782
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Speaker 4: We got her a passport and we got her a

783
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Speaker 4: global entry. That's been very exciting for her. And she

784
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Speaker 4: has no idea.

785
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Speaker 1: She's gonna have more stamps than me soon, oh I know.

786
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: And plus I'm just picturing a baby's photo, Like don't

787
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: you have to like just hold a baby up like

788
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Speaker 2: into the frame, Like what does that look like for

789
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: a baby's passport photo?

790
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Speaker 5: We have We put her down on a white blanket

791
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 5: and then Dan like photoshop the wrinkles out, and then

792
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 5: it's so funny.

793
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: It's like she's just floating.

794
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Speaker 5: I think eight weeks old in her photo. So even

795
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 5: the last port officials laugh at her though, they're.

796
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: Like, that's so funny, so funny.

797
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah. So, I mean now we kind of

798
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: got the hang of it again, and now.

799
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Speaker 5: That we've gone to South America with her toddler, we're like,

800
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 5: all right, what's next?

801
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Speaker 1: Nice?

802
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Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm curious because that you are a very

803
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Speaker 2: experienced traveler, Like I imagine a whole lot of new

804
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Speaker 2: parents who like to travel and they're just packing like

805
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: everything but the kitchen sink, because they're like, oh, I

806
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: gotta do this, gotta take this, gotta take that, which

807
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: is largely probably unnecessary because they probably don't touch half

808
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: of the stuff anyway, you just think that you need it.

809
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Speaker 2: And so I'm curious, given your experience traveling and with

810
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: you being a a fairly new parent, what have you

811
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: found and we're going to get very practically here, what

812
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: do you think is totally overrated when it comes to that.

813
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: Maybe the type of gear that parents are bringing along

814
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: when they when they travel, and then what's something that

815
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: you think is like, oh my gosh, we would have

816
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: died if we did not have X piece of equipment.

817
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear your thoughts there.

818
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Speaker 5: Okay, amazing question. I actually I think having traveled, but

819
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 5: we took a bunch of road trips with our daughter

820
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Speaker 5: to actually quite a few places. We went to Upstate

821
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: New York, Maryland, Pennsylvania, where else, Connecticut and New Hampshire

822
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 5: before we went to Canada. So we had a bunch

823
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Speaker 5: of time in the car with her, and what we

824
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: were able to do was bring literally everything we wanted

825
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 5: because we were like, it'll fit in the car, this

826
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 5: will fit in the car too, and this will fit

827
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Speaker 5: in the car too. But then we went to Canada

828
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Speaker 5: and we realized the one thing we forgot because she

829
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 5: was spiking a fever was a thermometer. And when you're

830
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: in another country that doesn't use fahrenheit, you're gonna wind

831
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Speaker 5: up with the Celsius. So now our best souvenir from

832
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 5: that trip is a thermometer in Celsius that every time

833
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: we use it, we're like, why are we using this?

834
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Speaker 4: We just have to convert this, you know, with.

835
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 5: Google and so now we traveled with a thermometer, and

836
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Speaker 5: I actually think that's something that adults can trouble with too,

837
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Speaker 5: because you never want if you think you have a

838
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 5: fever and you want to, you know, either get more

839
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 5: help or take some medication.

840
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: You never want to have to run out for one.

841
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: So right, so maybe broadly speaking back in that out

842
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: just like a certain amount of medicine or healthcare, not healthcare,

843
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: but like band aids.

844
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all the all the time and all types

845
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Speaker 4: of stuff. So now that's like top of mine.

846
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Speaker 3: There's websites out there now too that will let you

847
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: rent baby stuff. Is it baby quip dot com?

848
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Maybe that?

849
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 7: Uh?

850
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Speaker 3: Or we've had how the money listeners? I think who said,

851
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: guess what? I listed my baby stuff on there. I'm

852
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: making money now renting out my baby gear. So that's

853
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 3: a cool side hustle to make some money too.

854
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 4: Is cool? Right? Yeah, that's super smart.

855
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: So uh, I guess that's a way too to maybe

856
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: avoid some of the you know, the hassle of bringing

857
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: all the big mountain load of baby stuff with you

858
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: is potentially ransome stuff when you're in a specific location too.

859
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and my other hack, because you said, what are

860
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 5: the things that we haven't had to take with us

861
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 5: or that we don't need. My main hack to this

862
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 5: day has been stay in other places where you know

863
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 5: people who have kids or babies.

864
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Speaker 4: Because we went to.

865
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Speaker 5: Columbia and we visited my friend Alex, who I actually

866
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 5: met in Shanghai, so you know, everything comes full circle.

867
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Speaker 5: She lives in Columbia with her friend Ryan. They also

868
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 5: have an amazing blog about couples fitness. It's called Alex

869
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 5: and Ryan du A Life, and they will probably love

870
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Speaker 5: that I gave them a shout.

871
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: But they have a.

872
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 5: Child eight months older than ours, and so we were

873
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 5: able to go to Columbia without taking a high chair,

874
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 5: a baby club, a baby bath, and they even said

875
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 5: if you need any clothes you can borrow the stuff

876
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 5: are perfect out real, So that really.

877
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 4: Helps you pack light.

878
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: If you're able to visit and stay with people anywhere

879
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: you can think of who are going to have that

880
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 5: type of baby.

881
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that makes sense because then you can just

882
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 2: fly spirit or you can go ultra cheap. I mean,

883
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: so all that note, Actually, we've got more I guess

884
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: maybe general travel questions that we have for you. We'll

885
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: get to all that and more, right after this, we're

886
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: back to the break. We're still talking digital slowmatism. Yet

887
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: we just changed the title of the episode. That one

888
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: right there with Becca's Eagle.

889
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: Becca, we got a bunch of questions we got to

890
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: get to, specifically on the money front and kind of

891
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: how you handle and pay for some things when you're

892
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: abroad too. First question, what cell phone service do you use?

893
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: There's ah, do you use Google Fi? Because that's, in

894
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 3: our estimation, one of the best, you know, cell phone

895
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: services for people who travel frequently or using local simcards

896
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: in different countries. What's the best route for regular travelers?

897
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 4: Okay, such a good question.

898
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 5: I have actually recently changed my answer to this question.

899
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 5: So we used to use Google Fi and that performed

900
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: really well for us in all of Latin America, Europe

901
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 5: and East Asia. And however, on our most recent trip,

902
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: I tried aer ralloh Ai r Alo and Dan helped

903
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 5: me set that up in my phone. It was very fast,

904
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 5: so as soon as I landed in Colombia, I had

905
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 5: service from an e SIM And I'm gonna be writing

906
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 5: something about that on our website, so check back soon

907
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 5: and I'll be able to provide everyone with how that went.

908
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: And how to do it?

909
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: Okay, cool?

910
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: What makes it better? What makes it because if you've

911
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: had a good experience with Google Fi, why is it.

912
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: Just is it just a more robust service? Because it's

913
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: the it's the local provider.

914
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 5: I mean, there's not much of a difference except it

915
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 5: is hooking you. They're both hooking you into the local services,

916
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 5: kind of what I call piggybacking.

917
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: But this was very cheap. It was like twelve bucks.

918
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 5: I got a three dollars discount from another blog, kind

919
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 5: of if you search for Rollo, everyone's giving their own

920
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 5: referral code. I paid twelve dollars for two weeks, and

921
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: that just can't be beat.

922
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 2: I think that is so stinking affordable. Oh my gosh.

923
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: So it's a few dollars a day.

924
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: We talked about our consternation when we went to Scotland

925
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: and we're like, oh, yeah, well maybe we'll like drop

926
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: twenty by on the mint Mobile International. And we've just.

927
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: Changed their plans since and I think it's gotten better,

928
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: but it's still not great.

929
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: Well, you just.

930
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: Blow through data faster than you realize. I guess that's

931
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: what you realize is how much everything weighs. Once you

932
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: start consuming when you're not on Wi Fi because obviously, yeah,

933
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: you're not even thinking about it at home. But then

934
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: when you are actually looking at the data that you're consuming,

935
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: especially abroad, it makes much more of an impact. But uh, Becca,

936
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: what is the best way for folks to access cash

937
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: when they need it? I'm assuming most of the time

938
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: you're using your credit card that way, you're not carrying

939
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 2: around a lot of local currency, but I guess are

940
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: there instances where you might need some pesos or whatever

941
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: it is they're working for.

942
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the more you discover as you travel

943
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 5: is well, first of all, a lot of the world

944
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 5: is digitalizing, but if you are traveling in developing countries

945
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: like India, like where else have I been?

946
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: Places like Zambia.

947
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 5: Maybe not everyone's going to Zambia, but a bunch of

948
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 5: East Asia, bunch of Latin America, cash is still going

949
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 5: to be king And some places might be charging a

950
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 5: credit card fee for use of a credit card there,

951
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 5: and so that might actually not even make it worth

952
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 5: it once you are either getting your cash back or

953
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: foreign transaction fees whatever you're running up there. When we're

954
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 5: not using cash though, it's credit all the way for sure.

955
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 5: And what you want to do is, especially if you're

956
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 5: using a new credit card, is make sure before you

957
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 5: leave home that there are going to be no foreign

958
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 5: transaction fees. Because while Dan and I are experienced travelers,

959
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 5: we have gotten new credit cards because we do shuffle

960
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 5: through them and cycle through them. And we once went

961
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: away or I think I actually went for my second

962
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 5: time to Guatemala with a new card. We were trying

963
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 5: to work toward, you know, getting the miles or the

964
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: points back. And I came back and I had run

965
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 5: up a bunch of foreign transaction fees that I negotiated

966
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: with the credit card company and.

967
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 4: They removed nice.

968
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: But you want to be sure that you're not going

969
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 5: to get those fees in the.

970
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: First placendred percent. And that's that's so much easier to

971
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 3: do now than before. Like for a while, there were

972
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: just a handful of credit card credit cards that had

973
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: came with zero foreign transaction fee. Now there's a lot

974
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: of them, but yes, for sure, because you don't want

975
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: to pay three percent more for everything when you're traveling.

976
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: How important are credit card rewards points to you today

977
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: and when it comes to reducing your out of pocket

978
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: travel costs? Because clearly the sign of bonuses and then

979
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: what you're accruing by just using those credit cards regularly,

980
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: they can defray a decent chunk of the cost of

981
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: your travels.

982
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: I guess yeah.

983
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 5: One of our greatest success stories was with the Capital

984
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 5: X Capital one Venture X card, which at the time

985
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 5: we got it was giving away one hundred thousand points

986
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 5: if you got through the I think it might have

987
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 5: been six thousand or maybe even ten thousand dollars spend

988
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: in six months if you think about it, and if

989
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: you have two users on the account, you can kind

990
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 5: of hit those minimum spends to get all the miles

991
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: in the points if you really put your mind to it,

992
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: and if you put a bunch of things on credit

993
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 5: that maybe you don't typically do, like if you're able

994
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 5: to put your rent on credit, or really just some

995
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 5: like large house expenses, if you're able to time that correctly,

996
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 5: what we got back was one hundred thousand miles from

997
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 5: hitting that minimum spend, and then we got the three

998
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 5: hundred dollars account credit also, which is part of the

999
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: yearly fee, which I think at the time was also

1000
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 5: like five fifty but three hundred dollars if it comes

1001
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 5: back and then you can use that toward any qualified

1002
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 5: travel expense. So I think for us, we use the

1003
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 5: points to book an entire two person round trip to

1004
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 5: Vancouver for a wedding, and then we used a bunch

1005
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 5: of the points left along.

1006
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 4: With the travel credit to book our hotel in Vancouver.

1007
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 5: So we pretty much went to a really high cost

1008
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 5: of travel place totally for free.

1009
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: Let me lead back to like we were talking about

1010
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: credit cards. Talk to us about the difference between paying

1011
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: for a purchase when you are abroad somewhere in local

1012
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: currency versus paying for it in US dollars. I guess,

1013
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: tell me your experience with buying stuff abroad.

1014
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 5: There's actually this is really good to know, and it's

1015
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 5: a really good point you bring up, because so we

1016
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 5: were just in Colombia. A lot of times when you're

1017
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 5: in a restaurant and they give you, like the credit

1018
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 5: card reader to punch out and add your tip, and.

1019
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: You have to like sign and hit enter.

1020
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 5: Sometime these machines give you a choice of like would

1021
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 5: you like to be charged in local paysos currency or

1022
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 5: would you like to be charged in usd If you're

1023
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 5: in a hurry and you don't realize you will just

1024
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 5: hit USD because you're used to that. But what you

1025
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 5: want to do is hit payesos. You want to be

1026
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: charged in the foreign currency because it will be converted

1027
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 5: on your bill at the most optimal rate at the

1028
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 5: time of purchase. Typically paying a USD is going to

1029
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: be a worse deal for you, even though it seems

1030
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 5: like a safe thing to do. So everyone should opt

1031
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 5: to get charged in foreign currency. And also when you're

1032
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 5: exchanging your money. If you're exchanging your money, the best

1033
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 5: way to do that is to pull money out of

1034
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: a local ATM in local currency. And an even better

1035
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: thing to do is to go with a card from

1036
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 5: like Fidelity or Schwab and get all of your foreign

1037
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: ATM transaction fees rebated to you at.

1038
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: The end the morning.

1039
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: That's a good point because just getting the money can

1040
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: sometimes be kind of costly, and some people think, oh,

1041
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: I'm just to bring like five hundred bucks and I'm

1042
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: gonna go to the counter at the airport and that's

1043
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: where I'm gonna exchange. You don't get as good of

1044
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: an exchange rate. You pay additional fees. It's just a

1045
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: bad way to get money, and it just cost you

1046
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: additional dollars that you don't have to spend. So that's

1047
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: a I think it's a really good point. Okay, Becca,

1048
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: What have we not covered that we need to cover?

1049
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: What is it that people need to know about slow

1050
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 3: travel saving money on travel that we haven't talked about yet.

1051
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 5: I think I would love to hone in more or

1052
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: in a final type of way, on the fact that there.

1053
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 6: Are places out there that are not London, Paris and Rome,

1054
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 6: and there are just places in the world that are

1055
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 6: so cheap that they'll blow your mind in like a

1056
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 6: great way where you could have an amazing getaway from

1057
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 6: home and you can spend a fraction of what you would.

1058
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: In Western Europe.

1059
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 5: And don't get me wrong, I love Western Europe. And

1060
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: I actually just wrote a piece for our blog called

1061
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: why I've never been to London, Paris or Rome. Before

1062
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 5: everyone gets at me, it's because I've been everywhere else

1063
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 5: and so what I would love for people to just

1064
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 5: you know, from a financial perspective too, if you can

1065
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 5: just take your boundaries a little farther, you can have

1066
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 5: so much of a long you can travel longer and

1067
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: better when you're not bogged down by the costs of

1068
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 5: high places or places that have.

1069
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: High costs of travel, which makes sense, but like, for instance,

1070
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: Vietnam is one of the places you mentioned that's like

1071
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: top of the top of the pile for you. But

1072
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: a lot of times some of those flights are so

1073
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: dang expensive. So is there any place that's it's abroad

1074
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: but it's not as expensive of a ticket, but the

1075
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: cost of living is crazy low and it allows you

1076
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: to really travel a lot more on a limited budget.

1077
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: So yes, And I'm so glad you asked.

1078
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 5: Because there is a country right next door to us

1079
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 5: called Mexico. And if you don't go to resorts, and

1080
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 5: I really mean this, if you go past Cancun and

1081
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 5: the resort strip, if you go to the city where

1082
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: we spend a month called Merida, and I guess you

1083
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 5: know you guys have so many listeners, the secret is

1084
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 5: going to be totally out. Everyone's going to book a

1085
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 5: flight to Merida. If people in the United States go

1086
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: to even just like second I don't want to say

1087
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 5: second rate, but like places that don't come up number

1088
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 5: one in Google's search, like in Mexico, like Guadalajara, Wahaka,

1089
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 5: wherever else, even Mexico City, like you will be amazed

1090
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 5: at what your dollar can do for you in places

1091
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 5: like this, And I really do mean this, go past

1092
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 5: the resorts cool.

1093
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: I like it a lot of good tips. Becca, Thank

1094
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: you so much for joining us today on the podcast.

1095
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 3: Where can our listeners find out more about you and

1096
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: your travel excursions?

1097
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: Sure? I am totally reachable.

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Speaker 5: Anybody can email me at Becca B e Cca at

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Speaker 5: half half travel dot com and we are half half.

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Speaker 7: Travel on Facebook, Instagram, and Pinterest, and of course visit

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Speaker 7: half half travel dot com for all of our experiences

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Speaker 7: and personal recommendations in remote work and travel, traveling with

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Speaker 7: a baby, travel gear, travel advice, and travel destination guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I think we'll probably end up linking to

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Speaker 2: a ton of the topics that maybe we just barely

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Speaker 2: touched on, but if you want like the full ride up,

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Speaker 2: we'll link to some of those in the show notes

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Speaker 2: up on the site. Becca, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: taking the time to speak with us today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, guys. As you know I'm a number one listener.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate it. All right, Maddie, where we traveling next?

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Speaker 3: That's the uh, that's the question I have for you?

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Speaker 1: Now? Do you have the fever?

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Speaker 2: You got? The bud because I feel like I do

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Speaker 2: man like truly, the ability to hear Becca's excitement about travels,

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Speaker 2: it's obvious that is something that she's really pumped out,

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Speaker 2: but she's enjoyed doing. The only cure for my fever

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Speaker 2: is more cow Bell, though I think the cure of

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Speaker 2: my viewer is is it Mereda or Marita Merida?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So it's over there on the Yucatan Peninsula. So I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to looking more into that.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it might be too hot for me. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We live in Atlanta. We get enough heat. I might

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Speaker 1: go somewhere a little cooler.

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Speaker 2: Can we go there?

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Speaker 1: Wait?

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Speaker 2: She said that they were there in January and it

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Speaker 2: was still and it's still like in the eighties, and

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Speaker 2: I felt like a Colt snap. Yeah that does seem

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Speaker 2: pretty hot. Yeah, don't go.

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Speaker 1: In July for my blood.

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Speaker 2: But what was your big takeaway?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 3: So I think my big takeaway was when she talked

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Speaker 3: about negotiating for part time work or for remote opportunities,

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Speaker 3: and we we've talked about the trade offs, and she

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Speaker 3: even mentioned it that you listening to this podcast, she's heard, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're probably gonna make less money. Work from home, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's a supply and demand thing if you

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Speaker 3: want to work remotely, unless you're really lucky and your

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Speaker 3: employer says, no, sure, we love you so much like

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Speaker 3: you go work from.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you want.

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Speaker 3: We'll pay you the same amount of money. That is

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Speaker 3: best case scenario. But these are things you can negotiate.

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Speaker 3: And guess what, if you're willing and able to get

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Speaker 3: rid of some of your current expenses, the apartment that

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Speaker 3: you have, maybe you're willing to sell your car and

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Speaker 3: you don't have those recurring monthly bills, you're not paying

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Speaker 3: for the insurance on that car as well, you can

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Speaker 3: maybe afford to take a little bit of a pay

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Speaker 3: cut and jet set to a cheaper cost of living

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Speaker 3: location for a little while. But those the kind of

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Speaker 3: trade offs you're gonna have to make, and it's worth

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Speaker 3: starting to have that conversation with your boss if this

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Speaker 3: is something that insters you, if you've kind of gotten

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Speaker 3: bitten by the bug.

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Speaker 2: Listening to Becka, yeah, I totally agree. Man. My big

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Speaker 2: takeaway is going to be that you don't have to

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Speaker 2: completely diy figure all of this out yourself, because I

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Speaker 2: think for a lot of folks who are listening again,

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00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: you get inspired and then you start looking into it

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00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: and you don't know where to start right. And so

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Speaker 2: I think there's a previous version of not just Matt,

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00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: but Joel Enman where we would say, guys, you don't

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Speaker 2: need these communities. You don't need remote year or Wi

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Speaker 2: Fi tribe or Hacker Paradise in order to put together

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Speaker 2: a slomatic life. Just Di Wyatt put it together yourself.

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Speaker 2: You're going to save so much in fees. You don't

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Speaker 2: need all of that, but you're not flushing money down

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Speaker 2: the toilet. There's something that you are receiving from that,

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Speaker 2: the ability to have the expertise, and these are locations

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Speaker 2: that are vetted and they know what it is that

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Speaker 2: remote workers are looking for. There's a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: value that is provided therefore, you plus the added component

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Speaker 2: of community, you know, like hearing her talk about how

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Speaker 2: when they put it a piece of it together themselves,

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Speaker 2: how they kind of got a little bit lonely. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I could totally see that being the case. And especially

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Speaker 2: if there's a language barrier, Oh my gosh, I think

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Speaker 2: you could feel really isolated and I could really have

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Speaker 2: you pining to get back home. Sooner than maybe you're planning.

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Speaker 2: But if you're surrounded by a bunch of folks who

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Speaker 2: predominantly speak English and you're all kind of on the

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Speaker 2: same schedule, I think that could be more than worth

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Speaker 2: the money. Plus, yeah, it just makes life a little

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Speaker 2: bit easier. It allows you to focus on the things

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Speaker 2: that you're good at doing your jobs. That then your

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Speaker 2: additional time you can spend having fun that's.

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Speaker 1: While you're there.

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Speaker 3: I think it complete can completely change your experience of

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Speaker 3: slow travel and digital nomadism. And so if you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I was worried about the logistics. I was worried about

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Speaker 3: the overwhelm of planning how to do this, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of cool to have an organization that you know, you

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Speaker 3: partner with her, and then you pay money. I guess too,

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Speaker 3: I didn't ask her how much. I'm curious about that

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Speaker 3: there's a fee. Yeah, that sounds like but like man

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Speaker 3: to think about, Oh cool, you're planning, help me, help

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Speaker 3: me plan this out for me, and you're also hooking

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Speaker 3: me up with a tribe of yes folks who are

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Speaker 3: doing just the logistics.

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Speaker 2: It's also also the community, and I think that can

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Speaker 2: be more than worth the money.

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Speaker 1: But cool.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's mention the beer. You and I both

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Speaker 2: enjoyed a juice party.

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Speaker 1: This is a hazy Imperial.

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Speaker 2: You have to say it like that when you say

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Speaker 2: the jew party, hazy Imperial.

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Speaker 1: I p a.

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Speaker 2: This is by fire Maker Brewing. These guys are ruined

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Speaker 2: here in Atlanta, or at least it was. I think

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Speaker 2: it started in They're.

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Speaker 3: Still yeah, yes, okay, So this one, in my mind

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Speaker 3: tasted like torched oranges.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh it did it remind you of digits

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00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: burnt hickory for sure?

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Speaker 1: Like a blood orange variety. Did they close? They did?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like a brewery not too far from

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Speaker 3: where we are, and it was an og It was

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Speaker 3: a good one and it's gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this one like a blood orange IPA.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's because the dragons on the cover and dragons

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Speaker 3: breathe fire. But I was just thinking as I was drinking,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, this tastes like roasted oranges, almost

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Speaker 3: in IPA form.

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Speaker 2: Like you're sitting there at a bar, someone's making you

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Speaker 2: an old fashioned and they got the orange zest and

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Speaker 2: they kind of squeeze it and light it on fire,

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00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: like right, that fragrance that Aroma exactly. Yeah, in my mind,

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Speaker 2: it's sort of had more of an old school kind

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Speaker 2: of IPA vibe to it. It's certainly not like a

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Speaker 2: New England hazy like it says hazy on here, but

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Speaker 2: it's not like it's not that kind of hazy kind

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Speaker 2: of like the ones you get from Boston. They're stretching

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Speaker 2: the truth a little bit by calling themselves a hazy

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Speaker 2: Imperial IPA. But this was really tasty. Glad that you

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Speaker 2: and I got to enjoy it here on the podcast. Sure,

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Speaker 2: but we'll make sure to link to the different resources

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Speaker 2: that we mentioned that we talked about with Becca where

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Speaker 2: you can follow along with her and Dan their adventures travels,

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Speaker 2: especially with a new baby, because it's like a whole

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Speaker 2: new I bet for folks who follow them way back

1246
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: in the day, they're probably really excited to see them

1247
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: like embark on this next sort of journey because it's

1248
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: almost like you're kind of hitting reset and you're relearning

1249
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: how to do certain things, and so there's like a

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I bet there's like a renewed vigor

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Speaker 2: to what it is that they're doing over at half

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Speaker 2: half travel dot com. But we'll make sure to link

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Speaker 2: to that in the show. It's at how to money

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 1: No doubt.

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Speaker 3: All right, buddy, until next time, Best Friends, houst Friends

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Speaker 3: Out