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Speaker 1: Least. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson and say lovely Friday here in Pittsburgh. And uh

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Speaker 1: we are joined here in this segment by somebody who

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Speaker 1: is not here in Pittsburgh. I believe you're out in Houston,

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Speaker 1: are you not? Landsier Line? Yeah, that's correct, Yeah, of

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Speaker 1: course a Lansa and NFL network analysts. You can follow

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Speaker 1: him on Twitter at at Lance zer Line And if

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Speaker 1: you check out the NFL draft for rankings on NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com, that is Lance's work there. He's he's pouring

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Speaker 1: through all that stuff. And uh, um, I guess you've

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Speaker 1: you've come out from the uh from wherever it is

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Speaker 1: you do all your your tape room, your film room,

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Speaker 1: and UH are making the rounds here. Lance. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you dropping by today and we we do want to

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Speaker 1: dig into this draft. Obviously here in Pittsburgh gets a

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Speaker 1: big deal. Big deal and in a lot of places,

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Speaker 1: and uh, Matt and I have been doing. Are some

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Speaker 1: from some different rankings for Steelers dot Com. Lance and

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Speaker 1: the one thing. That's kind of a couple of things

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Speaker 1: that have stood out to us. Um. Obviously, the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver position is deep. But one position that that I

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Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people have been talking about

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Speaker 1: remember in the late nineties, I was here in Houston, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I started hearing about Danny Arnolds who was training people

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Speaker 1: And they were all training here in Houston. And and

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Speaker 1: And I think more of these guys take it seriously.

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Speaker 1: and you didn't think he could play. But there he is,

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Speaker 1: which you know Max Starts me, but he's a better

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Speaker 1: going to rely heavily on just analytics. So much is

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Speaker 1: made of you just don't draft backs in the first

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Speaker 1: Don Harrison and et Ten and Javante Williams can make

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Speaker 1: that Steeler running game much better. I don't care who's

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Speaker 1: up much. Yeah. We had Greg Coachell on a few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago and he said, look, the quickest way to

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Speaker 1: fix your running games have great running back. Yeah. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers have to be slow guys, and I want

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Speaker 1: a fan of who they got last year from Maryland.

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Speaker 1: I think these guys are stud all three of the

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Speaker 1: ones we talked about, and it is a big drop

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Speaker 1: to number four. So if I'm the Steelers and you know,

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Speaker 1: and that might be a trade back situation into the

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Speaker 1: early second where Don Harris and Javant Williams is film

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Speaker 1: on the board at four, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And so would you rather have a huge proponent of that?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: And of course you gotta find a trade partner. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the whole uh, you know, longest short of it,

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Speaker 1: and that's sometime easier said than done. Uh Lands, We

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Speaker 1: don't we don't want to hold you up here any longer.

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Speaker 1: I know you've got a lot of stuff to do

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Speaker 1: and probably have other radio shows do, but we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you stopping by here with us and uh and discussing

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Speaker 1: the draft here. Maybe we can catch you next year

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Speaker 1: at the Combine hopefully there's one of those things going on,

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Speaker 1: I know, hopefully, And it's good. It's good talking to

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Speaker 1: you guys that I should have known with Matt or

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Speaker 1: we be able to actually, you know, talk about player.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have to just answer a bunch of Justin

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Speaker 1: Field's questions. We dig a little bit deeper than that, Lance, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we dig a little bit deeper. All right, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: let you go here and Matt and I are going

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Speaker 1: to chat about what you had to say. But we

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. That was Lance deer Line of NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Of course you can check him out follow

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Speaker 1: him on Twitter at at Lance zer Line z I

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Speaker 1: E l z I E r l e I n Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's always great to follow. Yeah, easy to find out there.

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Speaker 1: Great guy. I've been following his stuff for years. And

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Speaker 1: of course his uh, his dad was Steeler's offensive line coach,

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Speaker 1: know him as well, So good stuff with coach lines. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there you go. But great to have him on

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Speaker 1: the show. We appreciate him dropping by and uh, interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff there, yeah, real interesting stuff. And I've been a

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Speaker 1: big fan of Lance's work and he and I actually

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Speaker 1: used to do a podcast sort of regularly as guests

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Speaker 1: with Sigmund Bloom football guys, and always had great back

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Speaker 1: and forth. And I listened to him now all the

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Speaker 1: time too. Really knows offensive lineman, but certainly isn't limited

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Speaker 1: to that too. I mean, he's written what three profiles

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Speaker 1: or something, probably more than that. I mean again, if

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Speaker 1: you go to NFL dot com and look up on

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Speaker 1: their draft board, all the prospect write ups on there

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Speaker 1: are are ingrades are from Lance. Obviously he has to

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Speaker 1: go to previous years. We really didn't talk about the

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Speaker 1: top of the board stuff there is He mentioned he

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Speaker 1: has Lawrence's number one, obviously, but he has he has

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Speaker 1: Pitts his number two would as well. He only has

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Speaker 1: five guys in this draft with a grade of seven

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Speaker 1: or more seven seven of them an elite. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's Lawrence, Pitts, Davante Smith, Jamar Chase, and Patrick's certain

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Speaker 1: those are his his top guys. And Parsons comes in

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Speaker 1: at six eight nine. They mentioned Parsons. Uh, he has

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Speaker 1: a woas of Corema at six eight h six eight two,

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Speaker 1: so not far behind. I thought it was interesting when

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Speaker 1: you asked him. You know, for the first round with

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, there are gonna be some linebackers and including

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Speaker 1: j Okay Davis Collins. I don't think Parsons is even

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Speaker 1: and no, he's not going to be in the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Three would be in the conversation. They're tempting. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean they really are. Yeah, they are going to be.

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Speaker 1: And as I mentioned with Farley as well, Uh man,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough boy. You'd love to have Farley, those

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Speaker 1: three and the three backs and trade the thirty five

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Speaker 1: and just gets there. Yeah, even if you have to

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Speaker 1: go you know, okay, we can only go back to

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Speaker 1: twenty eight and get whatever. Yeah, whatever it would be

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Speaker 1: if you get to that point and there's seven or

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Speaker 1: eight guys. Again, the way the Steelers will do this

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Speaker 1: is they'll have a twenty four man board if because

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Speaker 1: they if there's if there's you know, ten of those

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Speaker 1: guys still available, then you can easily trade back to

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Speaker 1: especially if it's three of them are running backs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're not all gonna get teams maybe considering a running

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Speaker 1: back early in this draft, and most of them have

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Speaker 1: huge other needs. Yeah, so in Miami, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interesting. I can't I can't wait. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned trade back, though we mentioned that

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Speaker 1: a lot. We're three weeks out now from from Day

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Speaker 1: two week two weeks out from Day two of the

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Speaker 1: drafts April ninth. Yeah, I think it's well, no, it's

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Speaker 1: the end of it's the end of three weeks, three

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Speaker 1: weeks out from the end of the month. I can't wait. No, right,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be goodtuff because then after the draft we

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Speaker 1: get to see him football for real again, actually hopefully

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Speaker 1: see practices and all that stuff. Good stuff. Yeah, optimism

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Speaker 1: abound across the NFL. He's gonna couldn't believe this guy

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Speaker 1: was available. I couldn't believe that guy was available. Really

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Speaker 1: happy with our draft. Nobody's ever walked in and said, man,

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Speaker 1: we screwed that up. And Lance has been around in

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Speaker 1: his whole life. I mean he kind of said it

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Speaker 1: without saying it too. He mentioned medicals quite a few times.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned character a couple a few times. You know

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Speaker 1: that boy, we can't imagine. Fans are like, how did

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Speaker 1: that guy fall to the third round? Oh, there's something,

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Speaker 1: There's there's medicals, there's character. Um, maybe you don't want

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Speaker 1: him in your building, and maybe you just don't have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of information on the guy this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're there's gonna be some some ties when

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Speaker 1: we broken some leaps of faith. Yes, absolutely, you know,

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Speaker 1: which will be interesting when we look back in the

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Speaker 1: draft five ten years from now. He might be like

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Speaker 1: everybody liked this guy in the fourth round you end

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Speaker 1: up being a five time pro bowler. Man, it just

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Speaker 1: wasn't much information, so you took someone at his position,

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Speaker 1: you know, because tie comes down to the two. They

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Speaker 1: took this one, about it two to take that one

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Speaker 1: and that guy falls. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: this year, maybe more so than than any year previously

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Speaker 1: because of that not having that combine information but interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff from Lance. We appreciated him stopping by that. But

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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this segment. So for

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Speaker 1: my partner Matt Williamson, for Jacob breckt here on site

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Speaker 1: keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lilly. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you listening to this edition of The Drive on Steelers

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