1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: She was convicted after multiple trials and now multiple appeals 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: of hiring a hitman to kill her brand new husband. 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: And guess what it was all caught on tape, Meryl Streep, Beware, 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Dahlia Dippolito may have it over on you for acting skills. 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: Remember when she bent over double in quote pain quote 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: when she was told her husband had been shot. Yes, 8 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: and the whole time she had planned the whole thing. Well, 9 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: guess what I've got news about Dahlia Dippolito behind bars. 10 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. That's right. The former Floridian, 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: taught on camera in a murder for hire plot by 13 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: an undercover cop, is now leading wait for it, a 14 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: Bible study group behind bars. Yes, Dahlia Dippolito sent us 15 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: to hard jail time after she's found guilty for our 16 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: trying to hire hitman to kill her husband. Michael Dippolito 17 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: is leading a Bible study. Well, you know what, I'm 18 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 2: happy for her that she has ostensibly found the Lord 19 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: and she can continue her Bible studies behind bars. Reality check, 20 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: this is what we learned at trial kick it off 21 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: with our friends at Crime Watch Daily. 22 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: Dippolito is a guy working hard to get his life 23 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: in order. He's an ex con fresh out of prison 24 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: for running a phony investment scam, But after meeting Dahlia 25 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: on an online dating site, he falls into a whirlwind romance. 26 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: He called her up, made an arrangement, she showed up 27 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: at his office. He liked what he saw. Within a 28 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: short period of time, he divorced his wife and he 29 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 4: found himself married to Dahlia. 30 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: Reporter and crime writer Mark Ebner says Dahlia is a 31 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: woman who knows where she wants to go in life 32 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: and waste very little time getting there. He claims, after 33 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: the honeymoon, her next destination is Michael's bank account to 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 3: the tune of two hundred and forty thousand dollars. 35 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: She put her claws in him so fast in a 36 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: six month timespan, managed to take all of Michael Dippolito's money. 37 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 4: She managed to get his home didd over to her, 38 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: but all that is not enough. 39 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: She has everything she wants, but she reportedly wants it 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: all to herself. 41 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: Guys, what you're hearing is the plot laid out by 42 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: friends of the groom, But what really happened? Joining me 43 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: right now an all star panel. Brian Claypool, lawyer for 44 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: Dahalia Dippolito, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst, Joining us out 45 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: of Beverly Hills on insta at Doctor Bethany Marshall, James 46 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: Shellnutt twenty seven years Metro major case swat Now lawyer, 47 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: and Ray Capudo, lead news anchor Orlando News Wdbo Ray, 48 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: what happened? 49 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, these two it's a really good looking couple. 50 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 5: You see pictures of them. Dahlia was a Catholic schoolgirl 51 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 5: and Mike was a you know, inspiring investor who had 52 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: a little bit of trouble. But they hit it off 53 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 5: quick and they were they were married to this whirlwind romance. 54 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 5: This happened down in Boyton Beach, right by Palm Beyforden. 55 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 5: You know these two. It's just they were like fire 56 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 5: and ice, it seems, because everything wasn't as it appeared 57 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: on the surface. 58 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: Well you can say that again. Take a listen to 59 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: our friends at ABC twenty twin. 60 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 6: Terry Parker, investigative reporter for w PBF twenty five News, 61 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 6: covered the story. 62 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: So this guy Mohammed walks into the Boyton Beach Police 63 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: station and he says, I know. 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 7: A woman who's trying to hire a hitman to kill 65 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 7: her husband. 66 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 8: She has to find someone who can kill her husband 67 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 8: for her. 68 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 6: The man, Mohammed Shahati, was recorded as he talked to 69 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 6: detectives about his one time lover, Dahlia di Balito. He 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 6: tells Belice he's speaking out to save the man's life. 71 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: He scared of a gay, yes, because she's really, I 72 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: mean that serious on getting this Doug. 73 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 6: It's quite a story if true. Because while he can 74 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 6: describe Dahlia. 75 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 4: She maybe five six seven, dark black hair, which's a 76 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: good looking girl, really good looking girl. 77 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 6: Actually he can't even tell cops her last name or 78 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 6: her address. By the time, we didn't know what to believe, 79 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 6: who were kind of you know, whenn't sure what we had. 80 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: They had the reservations. 81 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 9: They had to say, let's see some proof. 82 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 6: To get proof, the cops make Mohammed a confidential informant. 83 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 6: He arranges to meet Dahlia at this gas station. Cops 84 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 6: are staked out as their mystery woman arrives. 85 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 2: So to you, Brian Claypool, renowed attorney, joining me out 86 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: of La. The lawyer for Dahlia Dippolito, the so called 87 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: black widow, Brian Claypole, I guess everybody is teaming up 88 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: against your poor client, Dahlia Dippolito. Here, you've got a 89 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: former boyfriend and I'm sure I'm using that term euphemistically, 90 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: but you've got a former boyfriend who walks into the 91 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: cops station and says, Hey, my lover, Dahlia Dippolito is 92 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: trying to kill her husband. What is he lying to? 93 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, one thing you're missing about Muhammad's first interaction 94 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 10: with the law enforcement was that he also said that 95 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 10: Dahlia conveyed to him that she was being domestically abused 96 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 10: and that either she was going to die or either 97 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 10: he was going to die. That's the exact first phone 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 10: call he makes. And that's the point that we were 99 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 10: making in the trial files, which was, look, the police 100 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 10: department did nothing to investigate domestic abuse, and they did 101 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 10: everything to make good TV for the cops televent. 102 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: Hold on just a moment, did she call police and 103 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: report domestic violence? 104 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 10: I don't know whether she called to report to. 105 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you know what, That's why you win 106 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: so many cases Royce lightened. You get people hook line 107 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: and sacred because you just said Jackie, did he just 108 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: say that the police never investigated all the domestic abuse. 109 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: But you're telling me you don't know if your client 110 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 2: your client, and you've got a pretty good trite record 111 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: choice lighton, and you don't know whether she ever called 112 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: cops and said I just got hit, I'm being abused. 113 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, this case was always about Dahlia's constitutional rights 114 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 10: being violated. That's why I took the case. And everybody's 115 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 10: seen that videotape where Dahlias says she's five thousand percent 116 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 10: sure she wants her has been killed, but they don't 117 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 10: see behind the scenes about the police department Boy and 118 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 10: Beach PD pressuring Mohammed, can I get. 119 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: Back to you claiming that she was a domestic abuse victim? 120 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: How long has she been married to her groom? 121 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 10: She she she did claim that she was domestically abused, 122 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 10: and that's in the recording. 123 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: How long they married. 124 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 10: I don't remember the exact amount of months they were married, 125 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 10: but Nancy, you. 126 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: Know, married a few months. 127 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 10: I don't know how long they were married. When it was. 128 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: Who jumped in and said five months is that compudo. 129 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: It's right, Ray Computo WDBA. So they're married five months, 130 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: the renowned defense attorney, and I'm not I'm not saying 131 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: that with a box assault because Troyle, excuse me. Brian 132 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: Claypool is a well known trial lawyer who represented Dahlia Dippolito, 133 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: who's won a lot of cases. Just told me that 134 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: police failed to invest gate domestic abuse. But you cannot 135 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: tell me, Brian Claypool, that she ever told police she 136 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: was a victim of domestic abuse. Correct. 137 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 7: When a woman is domestically abused, she tells her friends, Hey, 138 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 7: if I go missing, it's my husband who did it. 139 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 7: She never says, look, either he's going to die or I'm. 140 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 9: Going to die. 141 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 7: In thirty years of private practice and working with domestic 142 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 7: violence victims, I have never heard that line. Usually they're 143 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 7: afraid for their own lives. They're not threatening the life 144 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 7: of theirs. 145 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Spouse crime stories with Nancy Grace. 146 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: According to reports, Dahlia Dippalito actually tried to murder her 147 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: husband twice, once with a poison Starbucks and then once 148 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: with a hiddenman who turned out to be an undercover agent. 149 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: She was sentenced to sixteen short years behind bars after 150 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: being found guilty of soliciting first degree murder. Those claims 151 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: resulted in two retrials and a hung jury. That's right. 152 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: The reason she was caught on camera is because that 153 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: particular day the local police were being featured on the 154 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: TV show Cops. They happened to catch her. Antics I 155 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: will never forget them. Listen to her. 156 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: Carry on, is your husband, Michael? 157 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 11: Okay, I'm sorry to tell you man, he's been killed. 158 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 8: He's killed. 159 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: No, no, no, Ma. Brian Claypole, the lawyer for Dahlia Dipolito, 160 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: You're right. She doesn't say one hundred percent sure or 161 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: two hundred percent year, but five thousand percent sure. You 162 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: brought it, yeah, so I played it for you response. 163 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 10: Yeah. In my response is that that she was pressured 164 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 10: into having that meeting with the undercover police officer. 165 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 9: Just prior to that she was she was. 166 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 10: She had a meeting with Mohammed, the undercover informant, where 167 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 10: he was pressuring her and there were police officers all 168 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 10: around this restaurant. That that interaction was recorded by the 169 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 10: police department and it was destroyed by the police department. 170 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 10: So my argument in the case was that Dalia had 171 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 10: a large She had a big bark, but a very 172 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 10: small bite. In fact, she never even did you know, 173 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 10: there's Nancy. In a second trial, I got the undercover 174 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 10: a hit man to admit that Dallia never even gave 175 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 10: him a key to Mike's apartment, and she didn't give 176 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 10: him a picture of Mike to Palito, and he admitted. 177 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 10: That shows that she lacked the proper intent to have 178 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 10: him killed. And that's why we almost won the second trial. 179 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Key were there almost, But let me understand something. 180 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: You're saying. She didn't hand over a photo, But it's 181 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: my understanding she did hand over a photo, twelve hundred 182 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: dollars cash and a photo of Mike. 183 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 10: She handed over a photo to her ex boyfriend Mohammed. 184 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 10: Now when it went to the undercover police officer, not 185 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 10: the informant. When she's pressured into meeting the undercover pressure 186 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 10: who's pressuring The police department made probably over one hundred 187 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 10: phone calls. They were forcing, they were forcing Mohammed the 188 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 10: informant to call her, call her, call her. Mohammed's like, look, dude, 189 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 10: I don't want to be involved in this anymore. I 190 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 10: don't want to be in the middle of this. They're like, yeah, 191 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 10: you are going to be no, no, no, no, no. 192 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: No no. I'm not listening to what you're saying about 193 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: Mohammed because he's not charged with Simpson murder. Who pressured 194 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: your client, Dahlia di Palito to pay a hitman money. 195 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 10: The police depart Here's my argument, But four, I. 196 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: Thought you said this was a movie script one time. 197 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 10: Well no, let's focus on your question. But for the 198 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 10: police department pressuring Mohammad to pressure Dahlia, Mohammed is the 199 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 10: one that set up the meeting with the undercover hit man. 200 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 10: Dahlia didn't this all happened within a seventy two hour 201 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 10: window because that was the Cops TV show timeline to 202 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 10: get this script done in a nor dancy. You're aware 203 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 10: of this. In a normal undercover operation, it could take 204 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 10: a month or many months to get this accomplished. They 205 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 10: were on an accelerated plan to get her on tape 206 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 10: to try to kill her husband, and she would have 207 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 10: never done that. 208 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: Pause. 209 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: All that I got to cut through this and understand 210 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: what you're saying with me is veteran trial lawyer Brian Klaypool, 211 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: who represented Dahlia Dipolito at trial Now there have been 212 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: two trials. Now you're saying now today that she Dalli 213 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: di Palito, was pressured by her friend Mohammad via police, 214 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: police pressure. Mohammed Muhammad pressures her to have a hit 215 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: man with the meeting with a hit man. All right, coercion, 216 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: But isn't it true? At another trial, the defense was 217 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: that the entire thing was actually a script. That the 218 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: script was basically a screenplay for a movie. She wanted, 219 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 2: a reality show she wanted to do and they were 220 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: acting it out. 221 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 222 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 10: That was the first trial that I did not conduct, 223 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 10: and I will concede to you that that argument was farcical. 224 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 10: That was a silly argument that Dahlia's attorney put forward 225 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 10: to the jury. And we had an entirely different twist 226 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 10: on the case. It was based on due pross as 227 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 10: violations carried out by the Boyant Beach PD. 228 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: Let me go now to Ratapudo, the lead anchor for 229 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: morning news WDBO Ray. There have been a couple of 230 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: trials for Dahlia Diplito. At one trial, explain to me 231 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: the script defense. 232 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, here's the thing. Mohammed the gentleman that she 233 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 5: was talking to, and ic gentleman Moosely. 234 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: I don't know him. 235 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 5: He was a part time actor, and Dallia says that 236 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 5: him and Mike were in on kind of doing a 237 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 5: reality show based on an episode of Bird. 238 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: You say, Mike the hatband was in on it. 239 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 5: That's what Dalia says. Now, he Enmic an episode of 240 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 5: Burn Notice that had a similar storyline, and they wanted 241 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 5: to post it on YouTube and get famous, and this 242 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 5: is you know. Brian said that it was farcical, and 243 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 5: I agree because here's the thing. 244 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 10: The ant the idea of. 245 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 5: Getting famous on YouTube is really a modern thing. In 246 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 5: two thousand and nine, it was still kind of evolving 247 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: because they had that partner program and that just launched 248 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 5: at like the very end of two thousand and seven, 249 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 5: where people can start getting paid for their videos. 250 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 7: So I did. 251 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 5: Getting paid on YouTube wasn't like this big idea that 252 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 5: everybody now wants to do, like the bloggers and people. 253 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 5: So it just didn't make sense then that somebody would 254 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 5: be doing that. 255 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: I hear what you're talking about the intricacies of posting 256 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: video online and getting paid for it or not getting 257 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: paid for it. But I'm concerned about the trial and 258 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, because to James Shelnutt, twenty seven 259 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: years Metro major case swat Now lawyer. Here's the thing 260 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: about multiple trials. Whatever you say at the first trial, 261 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: there is a certified transcript of that. So if you 262 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: have a completely different defense, such as I was forced 263 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: by the cops to try to put a hit on 264 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: my husband, everything you said the first trial can come 265 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: in on cross examination. 266 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: You can say, well, why wha wall. 267 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: Wait, now you're saying the cops have made you do this, 268 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: But last trial you said this was all part of 269 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: a script you made up as a reality series with 270 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: you the hit man, and your husband that he was 271 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: in on it. That's not true. Then you're stuck with 272 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: what you said at that first trial. What about it, sy'all? 273 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 9: Nutt, I agree one hundred percent. I mean the credibility 274 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 9: is completely impeached at that point. I mean that, you know, 275 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 9: it's gonna be hard to uh, to go back and 276 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 9: retract that. You know, if you take a look at this, 277 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 9: and you know, all due respect to Brian Ah, he's 278 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 9: got a client to defend. I get it. I've done 279 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 9: criminal defense in the past. But you know, if you 280 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 9: take a look at it, nothing is consistent with what 281 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 9: this lady is claiming as being a domestic violence victim. 282 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 9: You know she she was with this guy very short 283 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 9: period of time. They were traveling. Uh, you know in 284 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 9: addition to that, you know, the day that this supposedly 285 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 9: was going to occur, this hit man was supposed to 286 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 9: gonna kill her husband. She's going to a gym she 287 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 9: regularly went to. You know, if you take a look 288 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 9: at the whole situation, nothing that's up. 289 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: Straight back out to rate capudo, lead news anchor Morning 290 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: News WDBO. So what have She's at the gym when 291 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: the hit goes down. 292 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 5: The supposed hit. Yeah, Nancy, And I'll tell you what. 293 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 5: She wanted to be on reality TV. And she got 294 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 5: on it all right because the cops were filming an 295 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 5: episode of that show. So they bring her back from 296 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 5: the gym to this staged crime scene and they got 297 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 5: this all on video, and they they get her reaction 298 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 5: when they tell her that Mike has been murdered. Now, 299 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 5: of course he's still alive and this is all stage. 300 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 5: But I'll tell you she puts on a type of 301 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 5: act that would have been great for reality TV. She 302 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 5: starts wowling, she she tremors, starts you know, kind of 303 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 5: hunching over. But one thing you don't see is you 304 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 5: see tears, you know. And this woman puts on quite 305 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 5: an act thinking, you know, considering the videos that we 306 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 5: saw before that she, you know, was behind this. She 307 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 5: puts on quite an act trying to sell the fact 308 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 5: that she was upset that Mike apparently was murdered. 309 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 2: Okay, take a listen. 310 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 6: The TV show cameras are rolling when police wake up Mike. 311 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 6: That's Officer Marino at the door. 312 00:17:59,520 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: Your wife. 313 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 6: It's hard to person you kill you? 314 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: Well, I just just take a look. 315 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 10: I think you. 316 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: Guy was totally in shock that this was going on. 317 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: I was very surprised. I was like because then it 318 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: hit me like this is a this is a mess. 319 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 6: They drive them away and transform the street to make 320 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 6: it up here they're really investigating Mike's murder. The TV 321 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 6: show cops, along with Boyd and Beach Police have cameras 322 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 6: rolling when a detective calls Dahlia at the gym, we're. 323 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 10: At your residence, ma'am. 324 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 4: Can you come right back to your residence please? 325 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 6: She's back in a flash. And now watch carefully. You 326 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 6: be the judge of what happens next. 327 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 11: Is your husband, Michael, Okay, I'm sorry to tell you, man, 328 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 11: he's been killed. 329 00:18:49,800 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 6: We know the cops are acting. What about Dahlia. 330 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: Okay, Ryan Claipe, you're stuck with that video and audio 331 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: at trial number two? What do you make of it? 332 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 9: Yeah, here's what we argued. 333 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 10: You just heard Amy Roback say the police officers were 334 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 10: acting as well. What I argued in the second trial 335 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 10: was that the fact that the police department went to 336 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 10: such an extreme to set up a stage crime scene. 337 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 10: And then Nancy after that, the media person at Bot 338 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 10: Beach PD takes that video clip that you just played 339 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 10: for your listeners and she posts it online for the 340 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 10: world to see, and it goes viral internationally within seven minutes. 341 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: And the fault is that that's Dahlia Dippolito's fault. She's 342 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: the one out of the street crying. I mean, as 343 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: I love to say, Meryl Street, don't worry, Okay, you're safe, 344 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: because but she certainly put on a performance. 345 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 10: Well look, I know that you're in love with that. 346 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 10: That that her her crying as I am staged crime scene. 347 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 10: And I'm surprised you haven't brought up the Chai Ti 348 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 10: latte yet to listen at. 349 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: The end and said that I was just waiting for 350 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: My answer was she illegedly tried to poison him before 351 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: she hired the hit man. 352 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 10: That wasn't true at all. There's no evidence of that 353 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 10: and no investigations. Let me make one more quick point. 354 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 10: The whole the whole point and cross exam of the 355 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 10: media director was that there is a pending criminal investigation ongoing. 356 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 10: You don't jeopardize or contaminate an investigation by circulating this 357 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 10: video worldwide. That was our argument. Her due process rights 358 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 10: were violated. 359 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 2: Well, if she had Brian to kill her husband, hired 360 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: a hit man and carried on double is she's physically 361 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: doubling over in grief. She did that, not the cops. 362 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 10: Nancy, Nancy, You're one of the brightest people I've ever met. 363 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 10: There a legal doctrine called fruit of the poisonous. You've 364 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 10: heard of that. Our argument was that did that stage videotape, 365 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 10: that that tape where Dahi is five thousand percent short, 366 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 10: that is all toxic and contaminated and the result of 367 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 10: unconstitutional violations by the Boytant Beach Police Department. 368 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: Okay, did they make Muhammad come in the friend Muhammad 369 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: and say, hey, my ex lover is planning a hit. FYI, nobody. 370 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 2: The police didn't make that happen. What they did do 371 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: was do get an undercover cop to pose as a hitman. 372 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: And that's absolutely constitutional. She didn't have to take that mating, Nancy, 373 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 2: we get twelve hundred dollars the ATM. 374 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 10: There was an audio tape. There was an audio tape 375 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 10: of the police officers laughing at Muhammad when he went 376 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 10: in because he couldn't remember her name. They weren't even 377 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 10: taking this that's serious. And then Ray Ray, actually one 378 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 10: of your other guests, made a good point that I 379 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 10: actually made to help Dalia. Almost in the second trial, 380 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 10: Ray just said, oh wait a minute, Gallia could have 381 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 10: hired somebody else to go kill Mike. That's why they 382 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 10: needed to ex this expedite this investigation. What I argued 383 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 10: what at trial was the police department never even called 384 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 10: up Mike. They never even called this guy up and 385 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 10: to say, hey, Golli, you might kill you. You might 386 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 10: want to get somebody to protect you or get a 387 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 10: security guard, because they never took it serious, and all 388 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 10: they were doing was setting up a view. 389 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: They were trying to do before the guy did cops, okay, 390 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, there's something toxic, all right, but it's 391 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 2: not the cops. 392 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 7: I'm just listening to all these facts and trying to 393 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 7: assess the mindset of get Blito, and it seems to 394 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 7: me that she's one of these rare female sociopaths who 395 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 7: uses her sexuality and charm to preferentially relate to men 396 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 7: so that she can get something from them, that this 397 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 7: is her emo in the world. And she turns on 398 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 7: that same kind of charm in this YouTube video. So 399 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 7: when I looked at it, the cop says, you know 400 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 7: your husband's dead. She burst into tears. And you and 401 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 7: I both know that when you get bad news, the 402 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 7: first stage is shocked, right, you can't believe it. You're 403 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 7: trying to take in the information, you're rejecting it all 404 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 7: at the same time, she is prepared for this. She 405 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 7: starts crying big crocodile tears. But then she cozies up 406 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 7: to the police officer who has just given her the 407 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 7: so called bad news, kind of presses her body up 408 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 7: against him a little bit. He has his arm around 409 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 7: her waist. It's a very sexualized interaction. So here as 410 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 7: she supposedly learns that her husband is dead, she becomes 411 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 7: very sexualized in her relationship with the police officer. 412 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 413 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 7: That small fact just has stood out to me about 414 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 7: this case all along. 415 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: You know what mentioned, You mentioned something that triggered what 416 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: Brian Claypool just said about claims that Dahlia di Palito 417 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: had tried to poison the husband. This is after just 418 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: six months of marriage. They're on the honeymoon phase. Reports 419 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: that Dollia di Polito, the ex lover turn informant, testifies 420 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: Dippolito tried to poison her husband before she hired a 421 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: hit man to kill him. Well, that's neither here nor there. 422 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: That's background information for you. 423 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 7: But men are just wallets for her. Men are needs 424 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 7: satisfying objects. 425 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 6: That's all they are. 426 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 2: Troy. Excuse me, Brian Claypool, I've got a question for you. 427 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: Your client, Dahlia Dipolito, Was she ever a hooker? 428 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 10: Absolutely not. Her contention was that they met at a 429 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 10: Starbucks coffee shop. 430 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 431 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: Eleven years, three trials and two convictions later, her defense 432 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: lawyer is commenting on her new life behind bars, and 433 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: that's all about her Bible study, and I respect that. 434 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: I applaud her she can still continue her Bible studies 435 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: behind bars because she is stone cold guilty. And this 436 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 2: is why with me, a renowned trial lawyer that represented 437 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: her at trial too. And I gotta tell you, I've 438 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: never seen anybody fight as hard as Brian Claypole did 439 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: at trial. But sadly for him, there are some hurdles 440 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: you just can't get over. Listen to this. 441 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 11: I'm Sorge Ramsey. 442 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 7: I'm going to call you. Thank you for comment. 443 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 11: I'm sorry to call you. 444 00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 9: Listen. 445 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 11: We had a report of the disturbance at your house 446 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 11: and there were shots fired. Is your husband, Michael? Okay, 447 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 11: I'm sorry to tell you man, he's been killed. He's 448 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 11: been killed. Man, try to calm down right now. 449 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: We need to get you to the station. 450 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 6: We need to get you to the stations. 451 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: I can't let you, man. 452 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 6: We have to do our job if you want to 453 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 6: find his killer. 454 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 8: Okay, we need you to comm down. 455 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 11: I'm gonna need you to go with these defintives. Okay. 456 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 8: Is you have enemies? 457 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 11: Is there anyone that would want to hurt Okay, who 458 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 11: would want to hurt him? 459 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 8: Witness he said he saw a blackmail running from me. 460 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 11: I can't let you see him, mam maam, I cannot 461 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 11: do this right now. I can't go. 462 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 9: I need you. 463 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 11: I need you to take it to the stations. I 464 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 11: can't man go with these detectives. 465 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 8: If you want to help your husband, okay, if you 466 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 8: want to help your husband, you need to go to 467 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 8: the station with these gentlemen and tell us everything you 468 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 8: know about who he knows, who's connected to. Don't worry, 469 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 8: We've already taken care of dogs. What I'm looking for for. 470 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 8: Everything's under control. 471 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: Okay. I'm just letting that soak in for just a moment. 472 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall' psycho analyst joining us in Beverly Hills. 473 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 2: What do you make of all of that in the 474 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: midst of screaming about the death of her husband? This 475 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: is a sting. The husband's alive, he's in on it. 476 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: Did she actually ask about her dog? 477 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 5: Oh? 478 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 3: She did? 479 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 7: She asked about the dog. 480 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: Thought I heard them say, yes, your dog's okay, he 481 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: with animal control. Did I hear that? 482 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 7: Oh? 483 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: I did, Jackie. Okay, that's a detail I admissed after 484 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: watching this one hundred times. So Brian Claypool she's in 485 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: such grief and shock. She asked, is the dog okay? 486 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 10: And Nancy, all I can tell you is that what 487 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 10: you just played actually almost helped me almost win that 488 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 10: second trial. Just so we have a fair playing field, 489 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 10: your listeners need to know. At the second trial we 490 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 10: had a hung jury three to three, and the two 491 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 10: alternate jurors were also voting to equip five to three. 492 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 10: Why because we argued and Ramsey, the guy you just played, 493 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 10: Sergeant Ramsey testified on cross examination when I asked him questions, 494 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 10: I got him to admit that that was completely inappropriate 495 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 10: what that police department did. That that went beyond the 496 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 10: bounds of fairness to go out and stage a freaking 497 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 10: crime scene and then go spired off on social media. 498 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 10: Why aren't you addressing those issues? 499 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: Because improperly posting something on social media only impacts a trial. 500 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: If one of the jurors has seen not only seen 501 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: the posting on social media prior to trial, but has 502 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: been so effective, they can no longer render a verdict 503 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: that speaks the truth. That is the law. So you 504 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 2: can carry on all you want to, Brian Claypool, but 505 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: the law is what I just said. And on jury 506 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: selection and what dire which coit's Dilley is French for 507 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: to speak the truth. 508 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: It was your. 509 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: Duty, Brian Claypool, to ask the jurors one by one 510 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: if they have been so affected by media by TV 511 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: that they cannot render a tree verdict. And I assume 512 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: that you did do that because you're a good trial lawyer. 513 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: And I assume because they made it onto the jury 514 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: that they swore under oath they had not been affected 515 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: by social media or news accounts, which means your argument 516 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: can't carry the water. It's not worth a hill of 517 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: beans as far as an appellate court is concerned. And 518 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: I would like to point out that the appellate court 519 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: heard your argument as well. But while we're going take 520 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: a listen to this. 521 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 7: I want to know if you know this guy. 522 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 6: They bring in, Officer Witty Jean, the supposed hitman from 523 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 6: the car. 524 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 4: It's over weird. 525 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 5: You know who this guy is? You've never seen any 526 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 5: before and not. 527 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 6: Anything ever than she just stared at him. She says 528 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 6: she didn't know him, and then call it a resurrection. 529 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god, here's a. 530 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 6: Police have another surprise for Dahlia Toplito. 531 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: Please come here. How you came here, she sees her 532 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: husband and he's love. 533 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 6: The show Cops captures this moment as well, come. 534 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 8: Here, please come here? 535 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 6: Why not? 536 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 8: Why come here? 537 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: Please? What you're alive? I love that moment and I'm 538 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: sure a jury will too. 539 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 11: You're going to jail today for solicitation. 540 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 7: You're under arrest. 541 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 11: Did you hear what I just told you? 542 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 6: You kept saying I didn't do anything? 543 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 5: I didn't do anything? 544 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: Was that all you could think of to say? 545 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 9: They were accusing me of trying to man? 546 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: I think, how then? I then? 547 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: So police have her in the station. They then bring 548 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: in the hit man, the undercover cop and go you 549 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: know this guy goes no, she's on tape negotiating with 550 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: the hit man. Then they bring in the husband and 551 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: she learns for the first time that he's actually alive. 552 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: It was all a sting. What can you imagine went 553 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: through your client's mind at that moment with me? Veteran 554 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: trial lawyer Brian Claypol who represented Dippolito at trial. Now, 555 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: before you give Claypool too hard of a time, you 556 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: got to remember that this trial was tried one time 557 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: before he got the case, so he's stuck with that 558 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: transcript where Dahlia Dippolito has taken the stand given all 559 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: kinds of statements contrary to what he then must argue 560 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: to a jury. So what's going through her mind, Brian, 561 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: how did you put it to the jury when she 562 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: sees the hit man come in and she says, no, 563 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: I've never seen him in my life, when the cops 564 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: have her on video and audio negotiating a hit with him. 565 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, he answered. Before I answer that question, I wanted 566 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 10: to recognize You've made a great point, So did Ray 567 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 10: about the first trial where she said it was for 568 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 10: reality TV. So what we had to do in the 569 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 10: second trial is we had to we couldn't call her 570 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 10: as a witness because of what you said and Race said. 571 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 10: We could not call her as a witness because then 572 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 10: the prosecutors would have taken that testimony under oaths from 573 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 10: the first trial and would have completely gutted the argument 574 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 10: we were making in the second trial. It's the first 575 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 10: point I wanted to make. Second point as to this video, 576 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 10: when they're bringing in Witty Jean and they're bringing in 577 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 10: Mike Pippalito. What I argued was I didn't go into 578 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 10: the mind of Dally. I just said, look, this is 579 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 10: completely inappropriate police practices. In fact, what is the Cops 580 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 10: TV show doing in a police station when they're about 581 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 10: to arrest a woman for alleged solicitation to commit murder? 582 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 10: Completely inappropriate, out of bounds and unconstitutional. 583 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: Okay, can we now address your client in jail after 584 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: hiring a hit man to kill her husband, and she 585 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: sees the hit man walk into the police station and 586 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: then says, well, I don't know him. 587 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 10: I mean the fact that she died, it looks that's 588 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 10: not that clearly, I agree with you, that's that's nonsensical. 589 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 10: She should have said she knew who he was and 590 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 10: she and she made a mistake on that. But with 591 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 10: respect to Mike, I mean, what would you what would 592 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 10: you expect her reaction to be when Mike walks in. 593 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 10: She's been told that Mike has been killed, and now 594 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 10: Mike walks in, So she was genuinely surprised at that. 595 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: I bet she was regarding the hinman. You said she 596 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: made a mistake, she outright lied because she couldn't say, yeah, 597 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 2: I know him, I hired him to kill my husband. 598 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 2: So she said, no, I've never seen him. 599 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 10: Look, she didn't hire him to kill her husband. Look, 600 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 10: she was supposed to be fifteen thousand dollars. Who goes 601 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 10: out and tries to kill somebody on credit? She gave 602 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 10: a lot of people. 603 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: So surprised at how many people I'm telling you, you keeps saying, please, please, please, 604 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: many many people put a down payment on a hit. 605 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: I mean you just saw it a tiger king. You 606 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 2: put down a payment on a herd. 607 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, you. 608 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: Put a payment on a hit and you pay the 609 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: rest with the deed is done. As a matter of fact, 610 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: that's pretty much sob maybe not. 611 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 10: That cheap that she really didn't want it done. That's 612 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 10: what I argued in this second case almost won. She 613 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 10: didn't give any money. 614 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 2: You know what, You know what, Brian Claypool, if I'm 615 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 2: ever charged with murder, get ready because you're still you're 616 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: still you're going down swinging. You're still fighting for Dahlia Dippolito. Guys, 617 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 2: whether you agree with this defense attorneys or not, and 618 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 2: I don't, you got to respect somebody that never gives up, 619 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: and that is Brian Claypole. I gotta say that. So 620 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: bottom line right now to Raykapudo, lead news anchor, WDBA 621 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: Morning News where does the case stand now? 622 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: Bottom line? 623 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 5: Bottom line, she is serving sixteen years in prison, a 624 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 5: woman's prison in the o'kalla and Marion County, and she's 625 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 5: not getting out for a while, Nancy. But you know, 626 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 5: in the grand scheme of things, some might think that 627 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 5: that punishment isn't enough that this woman's going to be 628 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 5: getting out of jail now. One thing, Nancy, she was 629 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 5: on house arrests for years between it's happening and her 630 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 5: finally getting convicted. She's not a mother. She's thirty six 631 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 5: years old. She got pregnant while she's on house arrests. 632 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 5: So this woman's life is sort of continuing to go. 633 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 5: Is all this has happened? 634 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: Well, clearly the ankle monitor kept her from leaving home, 635 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: but she apparently had a visitor. Dahlia Dippolito says it's 636 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 2: very quote painful to be behind bars and away from 637 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 2: her son. I got to tell you something that would 638 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: be the worst thing in the world for me to 639 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: be alive and separated from my twins, John, David and Lucy. 640 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine that kind of pain, And that is 641 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: the sort of thing one should consider before attempting to 642 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 2: murder one's husband, Dahlia Dippolito behind bars, launching a brand 643 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 2: new appeal and leading a Bible study class. Is it 644 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 2: real or is this just her way to try to 645 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: convince a pardon a parole board to release her early. 646 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. We wait as justice Entfoles. Nancy Grace 647 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: signing off goodbye friends,