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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now Here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer. Excited for my guest today. He's done

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Speaker 2: so much former NFL player for your Detroit Lions and

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Speaker 2: Detroit Man. They are very relevant this year. But he's

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Speaker 2: also done something that I've tried to do as well,

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Speaker 2: where I'm trying to use my issues to really help

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Speaker 2: other people take hold of their mental health and turn

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Speaker 2: it into mental wealth. But before I get to them,

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Speaker 2: before I introduce them. If you're like many people, you

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Speaker 2: may be surprised to learn that one in five adults

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Speaker 2: in this country experienced mental illness last year, yet far

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Speaker 2: too many fail to receive the support they need. Carol

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Speaker 2: in Behavioral Health is doing something about it. They understand

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Speaker 2: that behavioral health is a key part of whole health,

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Speaker 2: delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs.

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Speaker 2: In tantum, Carolin behavior health raising the quality of life

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Speaker 2: through empathy and action. I welcome into Unbreakable, a mental

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Speaker 2: wealth podcast with Jay Glazer and my guest today, I'm

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Speaker 2: really proud to have him on.

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Speaker 3: I'm really proud of him.

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Speaker 2: I watched him as a quarterback when the Detroit Lions

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Speaker 2: used to be relevant with Parry Sanders. But what he's

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Speaker 2: doing now is even more impressive. Eric Kramer four quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Like I said of those lines, also just came out

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Speaker 2: with a book recently before the holidays called The Ultimate Comeback,

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Speaker 2: Surviving a Suicide Attempt, Conquering Depression, and Living with a Purpose.

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Speaker 4: Eric Wire, My dude, I'm very good man. And just

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Speaker 4: I love the fact that you change your podcast name

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Speaker 4: to The Mental Wealth because mental health is mental wealth,

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Speaker 4: isn't it right?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: I made effort to that because I'm talking about mental

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Speaker 2: health a lot, and I used to, you know, go

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Speaker 2: to some people say hey, you know.

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Speaker 3: They'd love to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we don't really want to talk about

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Speaker 2: our you know, our depression, our ying's at our issues,

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Speaker 2: and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, no, no, no, it's not just about that.

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Speaker 2: It's about you know, our struggles that we have to

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Speaker 2: build ourselves up. It's about the things that we've overcome.

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Speaker 2: It so a Gailli, you know, structures and struggles that

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Speaker 2: lead us to success. And through the other side of

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Speaker 2: that tunnel to get us where we are. And you're right,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to, you know, kind of change it to

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Speaker 2: mental wealth because you know, the more we tackle it,

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Speaker 2: the more daily routines and structures you gets just can

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Speaker 2: lead to more wealth between our ears.

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Speaker 4: I love it, great concept. I love the fact that

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Speaker 4: you're taking one of the leads on that. And you're right,

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Speaker 4: it's gone from something where nobody wants to talk about.

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Speaker 4: You know, Laura Oapmen, I was at the radio road

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Speaker 4: last year and we were talking because she and I

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Speaker 4: when I was just Fox, we did one and she goes, interesting,

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Speaker 4: how back when you were playing Eric, those two terms

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Speaker 4: mental and health did not go together right anywhere, and

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Speaker 4: now it's kind of everywhere. So it is. And thank

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Speaker 4: you as you know, as someone who has had not

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Speaker 4: only issues yourself, but sees them in others as of

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Speaker 4: I and taking the lead on kind of getting this

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Speaker 4: out there where Why shouldn't this be talked about and

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Speaker 4: dealt with, just like talking about the weather. Right, absolutely

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Speaker 4: go through either you go do you're going through it

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Speaker 4: or someone you know is.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's great when a guy like you

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Speaker 2: who is a duly dude play quarterback in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: Me dutely dude. Man, when you could have kind of

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Speaker 2: dudes show people man. No one's question my manhood. I

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Speaker 2: I'm fucked up. No one's going to question my manhood.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where a lot of dudes struggle

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Speaker 2: with it. They think, Oh, if I say something, it

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Speaker 2: makes me weak. Fuck no, it doesn't make you weak,

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Speaker 2: have vulnerabilities. What makes you stronger. Your story is what

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Speaker 2: And even like you you play in the NFL's not

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Speaker 2: that doesn't leave when the uniform comes off.

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Speaker 4: And you could use that for.

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Speaker 2: And you've had to use that in some really difficult

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Speaker 4: The Lions right playing this coming weekend which is always happening.

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Speaker 4: Right exactly, And they're and they're looking good to get

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Speaker 4: a win. So I love the fact that the bulk

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Speaker 4: And and you know, I think what I learned there

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Speaker 2: Did you know back then, before into reserve, did you

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Speaker 4: But I wasn't recruited out of high school and I'll

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Speaker 4: And but eventually, you know, through reaching out and these

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Speaker 4: at least in my case, it was temporary. You don't

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Speaker 2: you talking about Barry Sanders?

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Speaker 4: I have a segment where Barry comes on talks about me.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I just watched they would hand off.

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Speaker 2: The pass of one nothing right, Like, there's nothing like

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Speaker 2: Barry said, like his balance and his vision is just

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Speaker 2: like man, there's just there was nothing like him. I

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Speaker 2: mean shit, actually no, we'll just talk about it right now.

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Speaker 4: Of the greatest things about Barry Sanders was that there

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Speaker 4: And so he could make the greatest run in NFL

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Speaker 4: And he just you know, he kind of had this

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Speaker 4: this very low key demeanor. He doesn't carry himself opposite

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Speaker 4: So here to that point exactly, we would have we'd

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Speaker 3: And I've done appearances Barry a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: Which is which is great. That's great to see the

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Speaker 3: Right right?

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Speaker 2: You definitely want to beat a foxhole with the man.

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Speaker 4: things like, you know, do you have your friends?

434
00:21:59,840 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 2: Bet?

435
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 4: Are you a good friend? Are you a bully yourself?

436
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: Probably not if you don't. If you have friends, that's

437
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 4: probably not you. And things that build your home team

438
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: around you. It doesn't have to be a lot of people,

439
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 4: but you take two or three friends, absolutely, and people

440
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: that really will notice in you. Is anything all right

441
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 4: because just last week or so and Dan who knows

442
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: where it is. But it's also good things that you

443
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 4: want to announce to somebody that receives him and goes

444
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: and is happy for you, builds you up that way.

445
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 4: So those are things that long before depression strikes can

446
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 4: be done.

447
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things you did early on that

448
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: I always try and preach now, which is great, as

449
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: you did.

450
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: You reached out terror Kipple. You talked to one of

451
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: your teammates, you know, and I hid my ship for

452
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 3: so long, and you know, I tell.

453
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: People like I didn't you know, my best friends Michael Strand,

454
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: I didn't tell him anything.

455
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: Until thirty years. In one night, I was like, I

456
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: ain't going out to night. Man, it's the piece got

457
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 3: out of the box.

458
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: He's like, well, I've never told me and I just

459
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: hit it with Viking and alcohol and for all those years.

460
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: And now that I do have teammates to talk to you,

461
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: it's a lot more helpful and it's got me a

462
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: lot closer.

463
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 3: But you were waiting ahead of your time. No one

464
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: that's okay to talk about that.

465
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I feel grateful really for the people

466
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 4: in my life that come along. You never know who's

467
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 4: come and win. And sometimes it's in situations that are

468
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 4: tough that someone appears one of the things I want

469
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 4: to do now is there's a mental health program I've

470
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 4: helped develop with a couple other people, and we're going

471
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: to start out as an after school program with kids

472
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: and families. And one of them is a guy named

473
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: Tim Thane, who when Griffin was around that age again

474
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: on twelve thirteen, therapist Marshall and I were seeing mentioned

475
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 4: this was a wilderness therapeutic Wardner's camp. The one that

476
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: he specified was in Utahs called second Nature, and it

477
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 4: was the transition home though from what you do there

478
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: called homework. A guy named Tim Thane and comes into

479
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 4: our house for three days and live there, but basically

480
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 4: as an in home works three in home workshop. And

481
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: I thought it was the greatest thing at ever because

482
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 4: it's really based on the solution talk, meaning you know,

483
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 4: let's say you know with your son or daughter, you

484
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 4: know they're just not going to want to speak to

485
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 4: you for any reason. Well, you can find the one thing.

486
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 4: There might be fifty things they're not doing. You find

487
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 4: the one thing they are doing and strike up a

488
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 4: conversation that way to make them feel good about themselves

489
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 4: and then build the relationship that way, and rules and

490
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: consequences will come as a result of learning that you know,

491
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 4: they don't want to disappoint you, meaning your kids. I

492
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: remember one of the first exercises we did is Tim

493
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 4: hands out a sheet of paper to both to all

494
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: four of us, Marshawn, Griffin, and Dylan. Now Dylan was

495
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 4: probably eight years old and Griffin was probably thirty. And

496
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: who do you think Griffin put down? Of the four

497
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 4: of us at the top, what do you have to

498
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: write down the hierarchy of the family. Who do you

499
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 4: think Griffin put up there? You himself?

500
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: Really really right?

501
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: So and to a degree he was probably right. And

502
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 4: so the idea is to no, no, no, no, we

503
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 4: run this ship, meaning Markshawan and I run this ship,

504
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 4: and you guys we love and but you're you're you're

505
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 4: not steering the ship, right. You don't want the thirteen

506
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 4: year old guiding the Titanic. And so anyway, that that's

507
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 4: the idea is that communication is of the utmost importance,

508
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: meaning that you're always building each other up. So that's

509
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: that's what we're going to start out doing.

510
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: Did you that was who's that attempt?

511
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 4: I certainly did. And so it wasn't long after I

512
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: got back in. Uh, I want to say it was

513
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 4: too going out to see Eric out there, hippo. I

514
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: want to say that was probably sometime in June ish

515
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 4: of twenty fifteen. I was out there for I'm told

516
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: thirty days. Came back home, and I don't remember that.

517
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: At some point, I just I was left to my

518
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: own devices and sat down, and I don't know what

519
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: day this was, but I was alone at my house

520
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 4: and started on my computer researching how to do this

521
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: and then you know, financially, figuring out what money goes

522
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 4: where as if any of those people care. And so

523
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 4: there was a day when eventually all the planning was

524
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: over and then I just I remember standing outside of

525
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: my bedroom at the top of the stairs, feeling just uneasy,

526
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: like okay, well, I guess now it's time. So I

527
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 4: think it was later that day. Dylan wasn't with me

528
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: at the time, he was living with his mom, but

529
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: I didn't want to take the chance on him coming

530
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: home and having me there by myself in the aftermath,

531
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: and so I went to of all places, the good

532
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 4: night in and so yeah, apparently I don't remember doing

533
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 4: any of this stuff, but I you know, I didn't

534
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: take much and I took a gun and had a bag,

535
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: and I guess I started calling or texting or whatever.

536
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 4: So some people were on the receiving end of text

537
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: they did not want to get. And one in particular

538
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: was a friend of mine that I went to high

539
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 4: school with who was at Lost Hill Sheriff's Department. He

540
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: ran their live detector division, and he wasn't there though

541
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 4: he apparently was getting his son checked into college in

542
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: louis in New Orleans. I think so Chris sees this like,

543
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 4: apparently I put in there where I am and what

544
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: I'm about to do, and which wasn't far from Lost

545
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: Hill Sheriff's Department, so he obviously called there, actually called me,

546
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: I think, and I guess there was no answer on

547
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: the room, but he called myself. I guess I picked

548
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: up afterwards. This is all coming from him. I have

549
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: no recollection of this, but he said something the effect of,

550
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 4: you know, hey, whatever's in your hand, drop it and

551
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: uh he said, there's somebody at the door waiting for you, meaning.

552
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Like they had a gun in your head.

553
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 4: This is after I shot myself.

554
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: Oh you left that part out.

555
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: Oh no, this is after I did that.

556
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: You did so you shot yourself.

557
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 4: I did right here.

558
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

559
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: And so I'm sitting up against that and after doing that,

560
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: I pick up the phone, I guess, and Chris was like, hey,

561
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: there's somebody at your door right now. So I don't

562
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 4: have any recollection. I guess. I got up and went

563
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: to the door, and what I'm told is I walked

564
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 4: down and got in the ambulance. So you know, there's

565
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 4: probably jay two or three years that went by that

566
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 4: I don't remember. But at the same time, there's nobody

567
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 4: on this earth any more grateful than me for still

568
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: being here. And uh, you know, I guess that comes

569
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: with living with a purpose, because now I got many

570
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: many Wow.

571
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: That's incredible.

572
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: First of all, you know, you did get to see

573
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, the people I did love you that that

574
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: you know, sprung in action, and I, you know, try

575
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: to help a lot of people, you know, a lot

576
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: of our events and a lot of X players with this, Like.

577
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure if you completed your task. And I always

578
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: tell these guys.

579
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to be in the afterlife,

580
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: whatever after life you believe in, look down on us

581
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: crime that you're gone and you're gonna be there going. Yeah,

582
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: I think you're going to look at and go, oh, no,

583
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: what did I do? I don't want to leave these

584
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: people in this kind of grief. No, what did I do?

585
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: You had a chance to have a giveback, right that

586
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: you have a due over. I think a lot of people,

587
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: if you know they're sitting in the after life home,

588
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: I wish I had chance to have a do over.

589
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 4: You had that magical chance to call the ultimate comeback, right,

590
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: it probably could be called the ultimate second chance. So

591
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: I don't know how many people are sitting in this

592
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: chair right, and I would guess not many. And I

593
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 4: remember a woman I was speaking. I was back in Chicago,

594
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 4: back in the early party of November and talking at

595
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 4: this company, and afterward we were just kind of idle

596
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: chit chat and she started to cheer up, and I said,

597
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 4: what's wrong And she says, well, my mom died about

598
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 4: I forget how long ago, And she says, in about

599
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: ten months after that, my sister committed suicide. And I said,

600
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: you know what those of us who are in that

601
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: state of mind don't realize, is that and this is

602
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: a bad word to use in this case. When you're

603
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 4: successful at committing suicide, for you, it's over for those

604
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: around you. It's just beginning. And so yeah, she said, yeah,

605
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: it's all you can do at that point. You know

606
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: you can't. There's nothing to figure out. All you have

607
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 4: to know is that it wasn't your fault and whatever

608
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: was internally working with that person that guided them down

609
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: that path had nothing to do with you or anybody else.

610
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: That person's sort of perspective and deluded, delusional perspective guided

611
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: them down a path that was a separate from everybody else,

612
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: when really it's all of our human nature, just like breathing,

613
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 4: to be connected to people. But depression and those sorts

614
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: of things steer you away from that. And so you know,

615
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: my best advice to her at the moment was just

616
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: to say, you know, this has nothing to do your

617
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: sister's decision, an ultimate outcome, had nothing to do with

618
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: you or anybody else around you.

619
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: What a powerful message.

620
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: And I try to villainize suicide because it is a

621
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 5: choice and some of my friends cant be shited some

622
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 5: on my friends, no, but try to villainize it the

623
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: exact reason you're saying, like, you make the choice, and

624
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 5: a lot of people do not because of depression and anxiety,

625
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: because they're having problems, they're going through problems.

626
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: Problems are not the same thing as mental health issues.

627
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: And when you do that, your pain's gone. Or you

628
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: just gave all of yours to all.

629
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: All of us, and it's selfish, it's not fair to us.

630
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: And you know, I know people with you know, I

631
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: have a friend who jumped off the goulding get bridge

632
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, you know, was it selfish? Like

633
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: my mental illness, I had these voices talking to me

634
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: and tell me to do that, and that's not so

635
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, I understand, you're right, that's different, that's

636
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: not But for those of us who are going through

637
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: over content having problems, man, we've got to hold on

638
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: and stick around for everybody else, so we don't give

639
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: everybody else our pain.

640
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: But also you never know what lives around next Tuesday.

641
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: I mean, look at it, Look, look what's happening for

642
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: you right now? Right like are you living your best life?

643
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: Now? For sure? Here you go right for sure? So

644
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 4: I don't have to say this often, but I live

645
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: thinking that my best failure in life was that suicide attempt.

646
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: There was a former teammate of mine never called me

647
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: before ever, gets a hold of me to tell me

648
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 4: he was struggling, and only you know, basically, only I

649
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: would understand. And this came on the heels of me

650
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: being in Detroit talking about this book, and the woman

651
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Speaker 4: starts off the interview by saying, you weren't supposed to

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Speaker 4: be here, were you? And I go, well, I guess

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Speaker 4: I wasn't, but I am. And she goes, why do

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Speaker 4: you think that is? And I said, well, I think

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Speaker 4: it's to help people. And that phone call came couldn't

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Speaker 4: have been four hours later.

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Speaker 3: Wow, And that amazing better than any touchdown you could throw,

658
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Speaker 3: for sure by far right.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, I check on him, he checks

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Speaker 4: on me, and there you go. And that's how it works.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I talk about it too now, like

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get words like where people never

663
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Speaker 2: had words, you're giving it words for teammates, yeers or whoever,

664
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Speaker 2: like you never know who it's gonna it's gonna affect

665
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Speaker 2: in how many lives you could save.

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Speaker 3: And that's where man, I'm just so proud of you, dude,

667
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Speaker 3: I am, I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 2: I know, you know, we have to go through a

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Speaker 2: lot of fucked up shitting a lot like in order

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Speaker 2: to get to the level you played at the NFL,

671
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Speaker 2: you gotta be fucked up going in, all right, So

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Speaker 2: right for me to get to where I am in life,

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Speaker 2: I'm fucked up, but I'm good with my fucked up this,

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Speaker 2: or at least I'm working on that, right, I'm learning

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Speaker 2: to be and you know, for us to be able

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Speaker 2: to use our scars and our damage and or things

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Speaker 2: like that now to help people.

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Speaker 4: That's I don't have depressed anymore, okay, but I still

679
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: see a therapist, right, and I'm and I tell her

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Speaker 4: her name is Kim. And I told Kim today, I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, she goes, what do you want to work

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Speaker 4: on today? And I said, the same thing we've been

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Speaker 4: working on for the last six months. I want to

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Speaker 4: get back and continue putting myself, whether it's sitting in

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Speaker 4: this couch or laying this couch, I don't care. I'd

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Speaker 4: like to get back to that guided imagery and then

687
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Speaker 4: also weave in when something doesn't quite fit with that. Right,

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Speaker 4: So life comes up like there's always sort of what

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Speaker 4: you're doing, and they're kind of like kind of like

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Speaker 4: a red light probate light, right goes from green then

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Speaker 4: there's a transition to yellow. And you know when you

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Speaker 4: see yellow, red's not far behind. And so kind of

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Speaker 4: like there's going to be cues to you throughout a day.

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Speaker 4: Even if you're in that calm state of mind, something

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Speaker 4: yellow is going to happen. And you know, if you

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Speaker 4: don't get back to that green, Red's coming right around

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Speaker 4: the corner. And so like, like she and I were saying,

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Speaker 4: there's no finish line of that. You keep you keep

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Speaker 4: honing that every day and you don't want it to

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Speaker 4: be an end.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and I look at therapists like coaches, and

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Speaker 3: that's it. You know, we drill.

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Speaker 2: I have a wrestling background, and we drill it. We

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Speaker 2: drill it, We drill and we drill and we embrace

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Speaker 2: the grind. And mental health needs to be approached the

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Speaker 2: same way we do with that physical health. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: people like you talking about it, it's easier for the

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Speaker 2: world to get there.

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Speaker 3: So a man, I'm proud of you. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Their name of the book, The Ultimate Comeback, Surviving a

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Speaker 2: suicide Attempt, Conquering Depression, and Living with a Purpose. My dude,

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Speaker 2: my battle buddy, Eric Kramer, Man, I'm proud of you brother,

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Speaker 2: I'm really proud of you. Keep saving lives well you too, man,

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Speaker 2: and we'll do I love it, love it. I love you, brother,

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Speaker 2: Eric Kramer.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Bob,