1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: eighty four, and today we are joined by the legendary 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: white tail bow hunter Andre de Quisto for a follow 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: up to our previous discussion this summer, and this time 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: we're diving deep into the white tail rut. All right, 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire Done podcast, brought to you by Onyx. 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Today we're joined again by Andre de Quisto. Now, Andre 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: was a guest back on episode three sixties six, and 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: it was a It was a pretty exciting thing having 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: him on. He has not previously done podcast interviews up 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: to that point, so it was interesting to get to 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: hear from him. We talked for over two hours and 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: we still weren't able to cover everything I wanted to though, 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: and after hearing from many more of you saying you 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: wanted to hear more as well, we had to make 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: it happen. So if you didn't hear episode three sixty six, 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: be sure and go back listen to that. Get the 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: foundation of Andre's hunting style. Um, get all that figured out. 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about his scouting, talked about some 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: of his aggressive tactics, talked about really a lot of 24 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: what he does in October and preseason. But uh, really quick, 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: if you're not familiar, Andrea is one of the foremost 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: white tail hunters in the country. He's I think it's 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: fair to say, kind of legendary within the do it 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: yourself crowd. He revolution revolutionists, excuse me, the mobile hunting world. 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: When he founded Lone Wolf tree stands back in the day, 30 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: he popularized a series of aggressive hunting tactics that are 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: now widely used and talked about. Uh. He's now the 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: founder of Lone Wolf custom gear and a host of 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: their white Tail Addictions TV show. So he's doing a 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And he's also I mean, he's he's 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: he's aggressive, he's confident, he's unique, and he's wildly successful. 36 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: So he's someone to listen to, he's someone to learn from, 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: and today different than the last time. Today, what we're 38 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: gonna do is grill him on the white tail Rut. 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: And that's because this episode is launching right now on 40 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: the doorstep of the white tail Rut. That's it. The 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: super Bowl of the white tail season. That the high 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: point of our year, the grind, the marathon, the big show. 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: This is it. This is happening now. So we're gonna 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: dig into everything Andre thinks about during the rut. Why 45 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: sometimes the rut is frustrating for him, how he still 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: has success many times during the rut, what he does, 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: how his perspective might be different than most other rut hunters. 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: It's interesting stuff. But before we get into that, I 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: do want to leave you with some of my thoughts. 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: I want to kind of open with with some high 51 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: level principles of hunting the rut, because, especially if you're 52 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: new to deer hunting, um, I want to make sure 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: you have these basic foundations covered as we go into 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: this time of the year because now, like the last 55 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: few days of October and the month of November, this 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: is that breeding season for white tail deer, which is 57 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: when kind of a lot of their caution gets thrown 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: out of the wind or thrown out. I don't know 59 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: what the saying as I can't think of it right now. 60 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: Putting us thrown cautions, thrown to the wind, that's it. 61 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: And uh, they let their guard down and they move 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: a lot more, and it presents us as hunters new opportunities. 63 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it requires of us as 64 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: hunters to put a level of time and dedication into 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: the woods that's different than the rest of the year. 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: If if this is what you really want to do, 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: so let's cover off on a few of those basic principles. 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: Whether you're new or you've been doing this forever, this 69 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: is important stuff to just always keep in the back 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: of your mind, These principles of run hunting success or 71 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: something that I always come back to, And you've heard 72 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: me talk about it before, but but hear me out 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: because every year I find myself getting tangled up in 74 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: the moment of how this hunt went, and how that 75 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: went hunting, what this buck's doing, and what that siding 76 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: told me, what this trail camera image is telling me, 77 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and what the wind is doing, what the weather is doing, 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and all these ingredients get tossed into a big pot 79 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: and spun around, and then all of a sudden, I 80 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: spend hours and hours up at night stressing about what 81 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: I should do and why I should do it and 82 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: what does this mean. Um, there's there's so many different 83 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: ingredients here that you can get confused, you can get frustrated. Um, 84 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: it's it's important, I've found, at least for me to 85 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: remember that whenever I find myself in that place, to 86 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: take a step back and look at the big picture again. 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: So here's the big picture. Maybe this will help you 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: in moments like that. The principles of run hunting success. 89 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Number one, think about two different types of hunting setups 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: at this time that almost always your plans should fit 91 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: into this to some degree, because this is really the simplest, 92 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: most base level of how to find success. You want 93 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: to be doing one of these two things. Number one, 94 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: focusing on the dough on dope hot spots. Right at 95 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: this time of the year, bucks are looking for a 96 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: doll that's ready to breed, or they are on a 97 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: dough that's ready to breed and trying to breed here. 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: But either way, bucks are with or around does because 99 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: they this is the time to mate, to procreate. That's 100 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: all they have in their mind right now. So if 101 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: you can know where the does are, that's where the 102 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: bucks are gonna be. So this can be one or 103 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: two things. This can be either dope feeding areas or 104 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: this can be dope betting areas. In the morning's usually 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: dope betting area is the place to be usually all 106 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: through the rest of the middle of the day. That's 107 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: the same case in the evenings doe feeding areas. Now, 108 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: something that happens, excuse me, something that happens often is 109 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: that these bucks will try to check multiple dope hot 110 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: spots throughout the day, and to do that, they're usually 111 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: gonna cruise along the down wind side of those dope 112 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: hot spots. So, if you're trying to choose where to hunt, 113 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: and you know you want to be hunting a dope 114 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: hot spot in the morning, let's say a dope betting area, 115 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: But when you're trying to pick the spot, hunt around 116 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: the doll betting area. Usually a good place to start 117 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: is on the down wind edge of them, because that's 118 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: where the bucks are gonna cruise and your scent can 119 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: be blowing away from that back behind it. So think 120 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: about that. Number one, one of those general filters to 121 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: pass your potential hunting spots through is is this a 122 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: doll hotspot? Or Number two, is this a funnel or 123 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: pinched one? Is this where some kind of feature, whether 124 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: that be cover like how much how many trees and 125 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: bushes there are or terrain like is there a saddle 126 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: and a ridge or is there a lake and a 127 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: pond over here in just one narrow bridge of landing 128 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: between it. If there's some way that the natural habitat 129 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: funnels deer movement into a narrow area, you've got a 130 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: significantly higher chance of encountering one of these bucks as 131 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: they travel from Doe hot spot to dol hot spot 132 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: because they're moving more now than any other time of 133 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: the year. So if you can find where these concentrations 134 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: of movement are sit there, that's another great red spot. 135 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: Best case scenario, you find a funnel like this in 136 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: between a couple of dough hotspots, then every book that 137 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: wants to get from point A to point B has 138 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: to pass through this narrowed area where you can hunt. Again, 139 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: try to think about wind, trying to make sure your 140 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: downwind of that point they're going to be passing. But 141 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: this is a high level concept that we always talk 142 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: about when it comes to the rut simply because it works. 143 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: So when you're confused, or when you're frustrated, or when 144 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: you're bouncing around seven different stands side ideas for your 145 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: next rut hunt. Look at these two principles of rut success. 146 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: Does a fit idea one? Does it fit idea too? 147 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: If it doesn't, maybe you're overthinking things. Now, that's about 148 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: where to hunt. The next and maybe most important principle 149 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: of rut hunting success, I think is the mental side 150 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: of things, and we talked about this last week. We 151 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: had this conversation with Ryan Holliday, all about these different 152 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: ways to deal with adversity and perseverance and learning from 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: fail and all that kind of stuff. And that's important 154 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: to the entire hunting season, but never more so than 155 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: during the rut, because at this time of year, at 156 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: least for if you if you're like me, this is 157 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: the case because if you're like me, you look at 158 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: the rut as a two or three weeks where you've 159 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: saved up your vacation days for this time. You're gonna 160 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: put in all your eggs into this basket. This is 161 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: when it's supposed to happen, right, This is when you 162 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: know fireworks are supposed to be going off in the woods. 163 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: You've got to be out there as much as possible. 164 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: And there's a certain amount of pressure that goes with 165 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: that too. And then if you want to hunt these 166 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: days the way, you know, you should spend as many 167 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: hours in the tree as you can, for as many 168 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: days as you possibly can. That is a lot of work. 169 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: It's a lot of three thirty a m. Wake up calls, 170 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: and that's a lot of long walks to the tree stands, 171 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: setting up stands or saddles or whatever, climbing up with 172 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: your sticks. It's sitting in the tree for twelve or 173 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: thirteen hours straight and it's freezing cold and rainy and windy, 174 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: and you're you're tired, and you're exhausted, and you haven't 175 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: ate enough and you haven't drank enough, and it sometimes 176 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: it's boring, Sometimes it's exciting. Sometimes it's frustrating. Things go wrong, 177 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: and then you get home that night and you have to, 178 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: you know, do the tours around the house and put 179 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: the kids to bed and get work done, and then 180 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: your back up three hours later do it all over again. 181 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: You've got ten more days of that. Um that can 182 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: be a grind. Now, it's it's the best kind of grind, right. 183 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: We love it. We live for this, We've dreamed about it. 184 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: This is what we have looked forward to all year. 185 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: But it's still it's still tough. It is not an 186 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: easy thing. And so if you are dedicated to this 187 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: thing and not saying you have to be, you can 188 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: be a deer hunter and just go out there a 189 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: few times here and there for a weekend and and 190 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: that can be a fun release. That's totally fun. Go 191 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: for it, have a good time. I'm glad you're doing it. 192 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: But if you are kind of the nutty version of 193 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: a white tail hunter like I am, and a lot 194 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: of my buddies and a lot of you I know are, 195 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: If this is your thing and you are dedicated to 196 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: this goal, then this is the grind that you have 197 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: to prepared to go through. And that channel engine that work, 198 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: that is part of it. And so the for lack 199 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: of a better turn, that the boys are separated from 200 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: the man or the wheat, separate from the chief, whatever chaff, 201 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: for whatever you wanna call it, this is where this 202 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: is where the separation happens. Is that if you can 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: just be a big talker about this or can you 204 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: actually be a big walker and pushed through the grind, 205 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: this is where this is where it happens. So can 206 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: you persevere? Can you remember that, Yeah, it's been seven 207 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: days and I haven't seen a shooter buck. But I 208 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: know I have to keep going, and I know I 209 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: need to stay positive because things can change when tough 210 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: things happen, when you drop your bow, when you miss 211 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: a deer, when you know when the neighbor shoots the 212 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: buck you were after, when you've had ten days of 213 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: not seeing any deer, when all these things happen, how 214 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: are you going to handle it? This is this is 215 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: what we talked about last week, right, It's it's how 216 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: do you bounce back from something like that? Do you 217 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: get so focused on the mistake or the karding thing 218 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: that happened that you lose your momentum in your edge 219 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: or do you say, Okay, yeah, that thing happened. The 220 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: obstacles the way, right, So we talked about the obstacles away, 221 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: this thing happened. Can I be frustrated, Yes, But the 222 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: bad thing, the challenge, the bumping the road, that's not 223 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: gonna break me. That's gonna be my next step, that's 224 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: gonna lead me to the next level of growth, or 225 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna take me to be one step closer to 226 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: achieving my goal. This this just happened to me the 227 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: other day. So I'm kind of in the middle of 228 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: my rut grind. I started last week hunting public land 229 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: in Ohio, just dealt with a bunch of hunter pressure, 230 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: hunting pressure, never got any good deer, just basically scouted 231 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: for four days. It was frustrating, but that that just 232 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: kind of is what it is. So that that happened. 233 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Then it came back and started hunting some of my 234 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: local properties in Michigan that I've been saving for this 235 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: time of year. Have been very excited to try to 236 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: get after tram my number one buck, to other nice 237 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: mature bucks in this area that I want to get after, 238 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: So I've been hunting some edge off well. I got 239 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: access to a little area that I haven't been able 240 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: to hunt in the past, so I've been waiting for 241 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: the right wind to get in there. And I knew 242 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: that it was gonna be great because there's a there's 243 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: a standing corn field there that had just been cut 244 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: and still is in the process of being cut. So 245 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: I know this is the absolute best, hottest food source 246 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: right on the edges from the very best betting that 247 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: I know my target buck lives in. You want to 248 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: be there, you want to be in between it, right 249 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: right in the edge of that betting, in between the 250 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: betting and the cover. So I finally had the right 251 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: wind for this last night, I slip in super duper quiet. 252 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: There's a light drizzle, so I was able to get 253 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: in there quietly. I took a really long route awround 254 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: to get in there, to make sure my wind didn't 255 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: blow anything out. I scouted my way in through the 256 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: edge and saw more fresh sign than anywhere I've seen 257 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: all year. I mean probably ten to fifteen fresh scrapes, big, 258 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: like brand new fresh, no leaves in them, scrapes that 259 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: were made all around this spot. I wanted to hunt 260 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: big rubs, the biggest rubs I've seen in the area 261 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: yet this year. I mean, this is where he's at, 262 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm jacked. This is what I've been dreaming of. 263 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: So I slowly ease my way in considering the wind, 264 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: trying to be conservative to make sure I'm not going 265 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: to blow into that bedding air, but at the same 266 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: time put myself in a position that I can get 267 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: a shot in the areas. I think he's going to 268 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: travel down this inside edge between this thick grassy cover 269 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: and the trees and then the corn. Finally find a tree, 270 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: Get all set up, get up there. I'm feeling great, 271 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: feeling confident, texting my buddies, saying, man, this could happen tonight, etcetera, etcetera. 272 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: Then the wind dies more than it was supposed to, 273 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: and then the winds shifts different than it was supposed to, 274 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: and instead of a southwest, it starts edging to straight west, 275 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: and I'm getting concerned. I'm tossing milk weed up. I'm like, 276 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: oh no, please, no, oh no. And then it shifts 277 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: more and it starts going northwest, right towards that betting air. 278 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh no, please, no, don't let this be 279 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: the case. And as this happened, the rains coming down. 280 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: It's been raining. It went from a drizzle to more 281 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: of a steady rain, so it's hard to hear things. Um, 282 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm throwing milk weed and looking at this, and then 283 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know what I think? I think I 284 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: had to get out of here. It's down to two 285 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: hours left a daylight. I mean, the best spot I've 286 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: been an all year. This is the spot to kill 287 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: the buck I've been dreaming of for three years. I've 288 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: been following this deer, studying this deer hunting this deer 289 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: plank cat and mouse in this buck for three years 290 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: and finally in the best spot I could possibly be, 291 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: and I think for right now in late October, and 292 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: the freaking wind changes from what I was supposed to be, 293 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: and it is now blowing to the worst place, or 294 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: close to the worst place. I need to get out. 295 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: And then right at that moment, as I'm coming to 296 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: the realization that I have to bail on my most 297 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: highly anticipated hunt, I hear what wow, And I jump 298 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: out of my saddle. Basically, and and to give us 299 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: a little more context, I'm hunting inside the timber from 300 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: a just cut cornfield. I'm probably thirty yards into the timber. 301 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: And then the bedding, kind of thick stuff, is another 302 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: like four of yards further inside from where I am, 303 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: and this crop field is on a different neighbor's land. Right, so, 304 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: I hear his cow. I don't know how to make 305 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: the sound, but basically it sounds like a bow going off, 306 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: and I jump out of my seat and I turned, 307 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: I look out into that field, and I looked down 308 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: another fence row, and there sixty yards away. Unbeknownst to 309 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: me this whole time is a neighbor hunting shot a 310 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: deer basically right out from behind me. And this guy 311 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: is not practicing any kind of sent control. This guy 312 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: does not have any of the things that I obsessed 313 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: over trying to make sure that deer aren't winding me. Um. 314 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: He's just out there and whatever. Um. So he shoots 315 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: a deer, the deer goes running off, crashing off, deer 316 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: blowing everywhere, and then the wind continues to be bad. 317 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here realizing, Okay, I've got this thing happening. 318 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: He's blown into everything. For sure. I was on the 319 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: edge of the stuff. And what do you do? I mean, 320 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: I know, I don't know that he's gonna be blowing 321 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: his scent into this thing the entire night. He's gonna 322 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: be tracking around the entire night. So basically this spot 323 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: is blown up for the evening. So I ended up saying, Okay, 324 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: this spot's blown the haunts of bust, I might as 325 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: well not blow up another place too. So I sat 326 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: it out till the end of the night, went and 327 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: share with my neighbor, helped him look for his era, etcetera, etcetera. Um. 328 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: But the point being, I went from the highest of 329 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: highest thinking I'm in the spot to kill my buck. 330 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: Finally everything's coming together. I went from that too. Now 331 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: instead having two people's wind blowing into an area I 332 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: didn't really want to be blowing a guy walking all 333 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: over the place. Uh, you know, every kind of commotion 334 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: you can imagine is happening now, not what I expect 335 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: and not what I wanted. I could be frustrated. I 336 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: was frustrated, very frustrated. I was still frustrated this morning. 337 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I could stay that way. At the same time, I 338 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: realized that nothing good is going to come from letting 339 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: that continue. I can't let that take me out of 340 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: the game. So now out today, I gotta shake it off. 341 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: I gotta keep at it. I gotta stay positive, and 342 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: I gotta remember they can all change in the second. 343 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: They could change tomorrow, it could change tonight. And after 344 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: three hours hunting tonight, it's down a half hour left, 345 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: it's down to ten minutes left, it's down to four 346 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: minutes left. It could change in a second. Right then, 347 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: that is the rut. That's what you gotta be thinking about, 348 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: and that's what I've encouraged all of you to do 349 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: this season. So with that out of the way, let's 350 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: hear from Andrew to Quisto. I hope you enjoy it. 351 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: I hope you have some incredible hunts in these coming 352 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: days and good luck. All right, back with me for 353 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: part two of our discussion from earlier this year is 354 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: Andre to Quisto. Andre, thank you for making time to 355 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: come back. Hey, how are you doing that? I'm good, 356 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm good, and I'm glad we can be having this 357 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: conversation because back in August when we chatted last time, 358 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: we cover a lot of interesting things, got a ton 359 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: of feedback from people. People really enjoyed it, but they 360 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: wanted more. So you gotta give the people they want, 361 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: right right. I don't realized that far away. I guess still, Yeah, 362 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: time flies right that that period of the year can 363 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: go really quick. Um So, so yeah, that's that's what 364 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: I want to do, Andres. I want to try to 365 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: cover some of the things we never got to last time, 366 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: and then maybe go deeper into a few things that 367 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: people had foul up questions on. Um So, if that 368 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: all sounds good to you, I do think that a 369 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: good place to start might be in your real life 370 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: right now, which is how you season is going. Are you? 371 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: Are you willing to share this how that season has 372 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: gone so far? Yeah, what what's the story? Well, it's 373 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: been an absolute nightmare. So this is probably the first 374 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: time I ever started all season will not being able 375 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: to even walk in the woods look at anything at 376 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: any time at all to scout or prepare. I'm still 377 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: ordering sox and still ordering broadheads, and um so I'm 378 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: lipping by the little all my old equipment. I'm still 379 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: hunting out of my original one point because I still 380 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: can't get one for myself, uh, because we've been so busy. 381 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: Um but other than that, for the hour and a 382 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: half a couple of hours that I get to jump 383 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: on early morning evenings, um, I mean I could have 384 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: filled my take probably ten times over already, but not 385 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: locating the caliber there yet that I want to hunt. 386 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: So I was hoping this this would be my big week, 387 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: and it turns out that it's gonna be the busiest 388 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: week for all our products coming in and shipping out. 389 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: So I will become a rough hunter this year probably, 390 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: And that's a present. And that's something that traditionally you 391 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: usually don't care for it too much, right, No, I don't. 392 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: I mean not that I don't care for it. I mean, um, 393 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: but seeing I don't have a target buck to go 394 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: after right now anyhow, I guess it's irrelevant. Um. Um, 395 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: hopefully there's something out there, you know, I said, I 396 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: lost standing corner around or something out there that will 397 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: pique my curiosity or um, maybe we take care of 398 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: some of these big, big, ugly apes that are running 399 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: around on his property. I'm not trying to get rid 400 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: of for years. So so what do you do in 401 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: a situation like that though, where you just aren't finding 402 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: the bucket you want? How are you searching him out? 403 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: Is it just you're running a ton of cameras? Are 404 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: you observing every night? What's what's that? A bunch of 405 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: cameras out there? Um getting little business and pieces of 406 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: stuff that Cody has posted online asking asking neighbors and 407 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: other farmers if they've seen anything anything good, you know, 408 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: just your traditional short little leads that you could get. Um, 409 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: because I really haven't. I did. I didn't have a 410 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: chance to take a walk the other day and and 411 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: located what I what I like to look at is 412 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: just a massive rubs um reopen. So that tells me 413 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: there are some obviously it's a big mature dominant deer there, 414 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: but it doesn't tell me that, bro, they are so 415 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: um all the things I've had a pictures of so 416 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: far just um, you know it's some decent deer, but 417 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: nothing nothing news shattering. So yeah, so then you're becoming 418 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: a right hunter. Well I will be. I can't yeah, 419 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: get it done here. Well, I guess that's a good point. 420 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: Then let's let's tell me what you're gonna do over 421 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: this next week. Then, so the last handful days in October? 422 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: What's that going to look like for you? This year? So? 423 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: How wash? So I jumped on posts uh the other day. 424 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: I decided to do it as a pretty big eight 425 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: duck could be taken out, and I probably should have 426 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: been there a day earlier. Checked out of the cameras 427 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: and and there was a primary scrape there that about 428 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: four bucks we're battling over. I got all kinds of 429 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: view on the camera and stuff and and um, so 430 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: I went to set up on that and I had 431 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: to two bucks come down when work is great, but 432 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: not the not the big ones. So I'm concentrating on 433 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: right and um scrapes. Would be nice to know the 434 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: caliber deer that's on him so, um, this deer will 435 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: probably push one seven years and eight. And there's a 436 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: couple other ones that are in that caliber. But uh, 437 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: and these are traditionally the type of deer that will 438 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: keep the ones you want off your property because they 439 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: they take up space, um pretty aggressive. But the times 440 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: that I'll get on early in for evening and mornings. 441 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: Now obviously if I'd love to be able to sit 442 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: later right now on some midday stuff um or later mornings, 443 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: so I'll just um keep bumping around, keep checking cameras 444 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: and in between work, it stands out, coordinate things with 445 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: the business. And and I think we're gonna be all 446 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: caught up by around November one, so that'll give me 447 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: some time to get out and spend a little more 448 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: um time you go. Now, these late October hunts you 449 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: mentioned focusing on those primary scrapes. Um, can you describe 450 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: a little more and a little more detail what you 451 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: mean by that. There's there's a lot of different people 452 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: that use that term, but I've found that everyone kind 453 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: of envisions something a little bit different. What are these 454 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: scrapes look like, where are they located? These are active scrapes. 455 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: There's a lot of their scrapes everywhere. Everywhere you look, 456 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: everywhere you walk up and down, log and rolls, um, 457 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: there's scrapes. And a lot of those are like half 458 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: hearted scrapes where a deal just to shrug a donalog 459 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: and roll running to where some dolls went through and 460 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: and lay with down. These are traditionally scrapes. They are 461 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: there every year. Um, even in the spring. It looks 462 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: like there's you know, there's nothing work in it, but 463 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: it looks like there's a scrape there because they're just 464 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: every year, the same same trees, um, same areas are 465 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: usually the biggest dominant dealers running running off that, and 466 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: other ones will we'll work at the same branch. So um, 467 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: you got another note to one of my one of 468 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: the best ones on his property. It was just the 469 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: farmer trimmed his if I mentioned that last time, but 470 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: he trimmed the lanes along the fields and he cut 471 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: he cut the best primary. I don't know property branch off, 472 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: So I don't know if I was gonna try and 473 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: do a lot of these guys do them and put 474 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: some new branches in there and make it work. But 475 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: I just just kind of let it go and um 476 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: it with a tragedy. But so that's what I'll be 477 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: concentrating on. Bold scrapes. Again, I got a picture of 478 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: something that is probably the biggest that I've seen. So um, 479 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: and then we'll just stuff starting to move. Now where 480 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: it was a short short movement, these there are starting 481 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: to travel more and work more scrapes. And then, um, 482 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: so you're gonna get some stuff that you probably haven't seen, 483 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: some stuff spilling off the neighbors or it might have 484 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: been on the border property starting to work you know 485 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: where somebody's uh, scrapes that are on the property. So 486 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: when you're setting up, when you're setting up on a 487 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: scrape like that, are you setting up to be within 488 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: shooting range of the scrape or are you you trying 489 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: to set up on like a down wind access route? 490 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: How do you how do you think through that? No, yeah, 491 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: you never want to do that. The old down win 492 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: series of days gone past, where deer will scent check 493 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: a scrape, That's that's all bullshit, because I've I'd sit 494 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: down the wind of a scrape and I'd have a 495 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: deer coming from the tour opposite direction work to scrape 496 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: and lead would helping him a get shots. So you 497 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: want to be able to shoot that scrape, but you 498 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: gotta have your A game on. And right now you'll 499 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: see in your cameras are are just most of it 500 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: was after dark. Now they're starting to get right after dark. 501 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: And this next week now they're going to get just 502 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: a little earlier and early enough um where they'll be there, 503 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, in daylight hours. So this is the week 504 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: to capitalize on it. Um. And like I said last night, 505 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: I had when I could have one of these smaller 506 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: bucks that was working that area came in and worked 507 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: one of the scrapes off of that big one, um, 508 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: which I also could from the next tree. So I 509 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: might even give that. Now we just got a fresh 510 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: stoll uh he didn't show last night. I might get 511 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: that one more, one more shot here, um before I 512 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: start heading to some stuff, wander into some stuff a 513 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: little closer to food sources. Now we got snow on 514 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: the ground, a little nastier weather. So yeah, so when 515 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: do you switch to more of a you know, when 516 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: you move away from the scrapes and focus on core 517 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: rutt stuff. Is that like November one on the dot? 518 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: Or is something else? Last year it ended up around 519 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: that that time usually, um, you just get a feel 520 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: for what's going on on the property with the activity 521 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: of the deer. Um Like now you're deer feed and 522 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: heavy are still in the corn fields and all that, 523 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: and these deer are out searching and putting down other 524 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: scrapes for um for groups of deer that are in 525 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: different areas, so they're traveling more. So now you can 526 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: you can be on some of those scrapes or on 527 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: field edges where the or where a lot of the 528 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: dolls are starting to um or are feeding, and then 529 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: some of them bucks will start coming out, and it 530 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: seems like they move earlier and earlier, and all of 531 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: a sudden they're up and they're moving and they don't 532 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: stop moving. So UM, I was hoping last night, and 533 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna happen, because one of the 534 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: bucks that that came in down there obviously got booted 535 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: out off the mountaintop there from another dear and he 536 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: come running through like a scared little a little b 537 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: and uh, and I thought for sure that thing would 538 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: come down to work that's scrape, but it never did. 539 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: And I was hoping another buck would come in and 540 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: get on that scrape where he would see that then 541 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: get get a gander up and come on down, but 542 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: never never came off the the mountain sol Um. Now 543 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: they'll start moving out and moving earlier, and and they'll 544 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: be a little tougher to pin him on the actual 545 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: one scrape, you know. So yeah, so once November does 546 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: hit and it's it's feeling like the ruts on um. 547 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: And now I know you say that the rut has 548 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: been frustrating for you in the past, as you like 549 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: to be after one specific buck. But in this kind 550 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: of case where you don't have the one specific buck 551 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: that your heart set on, which is a situation that 552 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people listening are in right, they just 553 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: want to kill any good buck. Um, what's it? Then? Yeah, 554 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: so what do you what are you doing once the 555 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: rut hits? What does your day and your setups look like? 556 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: So I still scout during that that time because certain 557 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: areas and spots that are the farm will will heat up. 558 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: But their traditional stand set ups or locations that you 559 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: know from time tested or you read the sign, you 560 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: want to be set up in those spots proper with 561 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: the wind and the whole goal is that anything that 562 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: comes through there, um, you are able to kill. So 563 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: let's say you set up on a spot like that 564 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: and you get a bunch of deer come through and 565 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: nothing that you want to shoot. As long as everything 566 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: that came through could have got an arrow on it, 567 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: and you could have been successful until the tag it 568 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 1: was successful set you just had to you know. Um 569 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: And and the biggest thing, the highest thing for me, 570 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: is to make a last minute decision because we've got 571 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: a lot of rack bocks around here, in big rack 572 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: bocks of it's the one you want, and that's very 573 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: very hard to do on the fly. So it's really 574 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: nice to identify something with a camera before. And you know, 575 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, when you see that deer, you know, you 576 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: get yourself in gold mode and you're, um, you're you're 577 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: ready when it comes through. Otherwise you're just you know, 578 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: right to the last minute, you're gonna make it. Have 579 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: to make a split decision whether you want to harvest 580 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: that deer or not. You know, so um and guys 581 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: make the mistakes. So it matter of fact of just 582 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: the buddy of mine just all happened real quick, and 583 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: he's got a deer in the ground that's nice, but 584 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: not all that big that he wished you would have, 585 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, wish you would have took a second look 586 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: or had an opportunity to figure it out. But it's 587 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: just it's more than what he wanted, you know. So um, 588 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: and that happens a lot. So you mentioned that you're 589 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: still scouting at this point looking for sign. What's the 590 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: sign that matters for you during the rut? Because we 591 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: covered a lot about what matters to you in October? 592 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: But is that different at all now? So there's obviously 593 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: it's it's been raining here, like I think we had 594 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: six inches in the last few days. There's mud everywhere. 595 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: You can read sign. Her blind man could read sign 596 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: right now. Um, I'm gonna concentrate on groups of dolls 597 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: now where all the dolls are feeding, where they're at 598 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: for in a little bit they're probably going to height 599 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: and mode. But wherever those wherever those dolls are now 600 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: and feeding now, there's gonna be a lot of bucks 601 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: round around, poking around, even though the dolls aren't ready. Um, 602 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna concentrate on spots like that that are 603 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: heating up, especially picked corn fuel. Over here. Your alfelfa 604 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: is dying ao, but now our clover are still kicking 605 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: in pretty good. Um. So they're they're feeding a lot 606 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: in that you know, clover field. Uh, and then we 607 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: got some turnips and radishes in those will start kicking 608 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: in so um. You know, you start getting a lot 609 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: of dolls feeding on that, you're gonna want to be 610 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: hunting basically those spots even though you're not hunting the 611 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: dolls them bucks will be there and it will be 612 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, out in the fields sniffing around and stragging them. 613 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: So and that's mostly for evenings on those food sources 614 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: or even will you be close to that even for 615 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: those mornings evenings you could be on those spots even 616 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: depending upon your moon faces in the mornings, but traditionally 617 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: off of those spots in the morning where they're coming 618 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: back to bed, yeah not be Let's say you're back 619 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: in the timber. You know, those deer out there all 620 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: feeding and they're gonna be trickling back in um to 621 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: bed in the morning. And and and now they're starting to 622 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: especially when the corn starts coming down or starting to 623 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: have a little bit longer of a a run back 624 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: to betting instead of betting right, But where they're at 625 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: a lot of them, dear, been just living in that corn. 626 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: Mostly you're you know, just parking it. They're eating and 627 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: and milling around. So do you do anything different once 628 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: that corn comes down to that flip any switches for you? 629 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: Because I know across a lot of parts of the 630 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: country that's happening right now. It's happening for me in 631 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: a proper DWN hunt. It's it's nice because you know, 632 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: well the outside is most of my corns out and 633 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: all my neighbors stilling, which is a very bad thing. 634 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: So once all the corn comes down, that cuts your 635 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: more than half your cover that those deer can be 636 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: in is gone. So that's just it just makes it 637 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: an easier, easier hunt. Um, if you've got corn and 638 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: all year you can have bucks living in that corn 639 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: most of all, you know, then those could be out 640 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: in there and it's just a little tougher tougher to 641 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: get to them. So yeah, So those those the food 642 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: sources you mentioned, like a recently cut corn field or 643 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: a turnip field or elf helfa or whatever um you mentioned, 644 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: usually gonna hunt those in the evenings. Can you walk 645 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: me through how you would specifically set up a stand 646 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: to be hunting one of those food sources, because some 647 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: people might hear you say that and think that you're 648 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: just randomly on the edge of the field. I'm guessing, 649 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, are you thinking about certain things with 650 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 1: how dear getting down into the food source or areas 651 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: where you can find a wind safe position wherever you're 652 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: ambush So it is you're just you're going to make 653 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: sure your your wind is it's right for that. I'm 654 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on one of my favorite foodstre spots. 655 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: Uh quarantine left to me over field to the right, 656 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm on a hedgerow in a pine eight feet off 657 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: the ground that's just stark naked, that strategically located where 658 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: I can even get some on the right wind with 659 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: the right speed, I can get the wind literally growing 660 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: blown over the top of deer. They're coming down onto 661 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: me and up, and it's just it's phenomenal. I'm not 662 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: even in the timber, I'm I'm kind of out on 663 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: the edges of it um. And that's what's really nice 664 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: about that is you can get a glimpse at something 665 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't normally see if you're just inside the woods. 666 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: All of a sudden you see, you know, big old 667 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: buck pop out way at the end of the clover field, 668 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: chase a few dolls around and jump back again. Um, 669 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: that's some great until to have the slide over the 670 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: next day and and make a move on it. Where 671 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: if you're a lot of guys like to stay back 672 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: in the timber a little bit catch from coming out, 673 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: you don't see half of what. Um um, you know 674 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: what you're learning on on pole so that I don't 675 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: know if a lot of guys know that. But years 676 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: ago I was a big, big field edge hunter. I 677 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: mean I spent every evening was on a a field 678 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: edge and never even really went back into the timber 679 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: and stuff. And so you get a chance to learn 680 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: a lot from that and um um, some exciting hunting. Yeah, 681 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: now what we kind of talked about this in August, 682 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: but I want to just bring it up again and 683 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: really specifically focus on during the rut, and that is 684 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: the snare you just described there where you're sitting somewhere 685 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: and you see a buck pop out and he chases 686 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: a dough off the food plot or the field and 687 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: he's back in the timber. So you saw a buck 688 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: you want to shoot, and you saw him do something. 689 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: So in a lot of cases i'd say, are right, 690 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: go there and hunt there the next day. But in 691 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: this case rut. Yeah right, So tell me now, now 692 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: you're just something chasing a dell. It could be random, 693 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: right would you would you move over there? Yeah? If 694 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: it's small bucks shagging around, you can kind of tell when. Um, 695 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: but that might be a just an area that dead 696 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: deer is coming to frequent dead feel to see what's 697 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: on it and then popping off. Um, those dolls. If 698 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: you can identify or or see a group of dolls 699 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: where dolls coming into heat, it's like having live bait 700 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: for you. So traditionally that doll will not get bread 701 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: for four days. You'll have the stink where the buckle 702 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: know it's getting close. Um. And those deer are not 703 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: like the rut where they change their their patterns. They 704 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: still go to their bedding and they're feeding. So you 705 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: can kind of if you know that section of your 706 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: area of woods and you know them, then deer traditionally 707 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: comes to that field and go back on that corner. 708 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: You know, there could be four other groups of deer 709 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: coming that go off totally different ways to bed and 710 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: coming from different ways. So now you know that buck 711 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: is concentrating on those dolls. So you go over there 712 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: and you you put yourself in that corridor. Um, you've 713 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: got a portable stand. You go over there. You see 714 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: what you know, which what trails are really heavy. You know, 715 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: you get get down one the bums to twich you're 716 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: spot your hunt them. Um, so okay, this is this 717 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: is important. I think you're basically saying that, well, you 718 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: might not be able to usually pattern a buck during 719 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: the rut, you can pattern the dos. And when you 720 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: know that a group of does or one of them 721 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: within a family group is either in heat or shuret 722 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: seems like it's close, and you know where those doughes 723 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: spend the time, focus on that spot for the next 724 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: few days, and you you you kind of pattern a 725 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: buck by doing that, because you really can't you really 726 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: can't pattern a buck at that time, or they just 727 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: are I think I mentioned that and somebody else's podcast 728 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: over they don't know what they're doing the next day. 729 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: That could be, you know, once that ship starts sitting 730 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: a fan. That's ah, it's pretty chaotic, and it's weird 731 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: that you you know, you got these deers there pattern 732 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: they're in certain areas, these books, and as they start 733 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: branching out and traveling more, they're just men are off 734 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: on tangents, you know, and they don't know what they're 735 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: gonna run into. And um, so you're kind of like 736 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: I said, right now, a good is a good time 737 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: to um. They're still still working those scrapes. But once 738 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: it gets to the point where you just don't start 739 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: coming a little bit, those scrapes are really hit or miss, 740 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: and I don't like to um burn up a lot 741 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: of time on them, you know, unless they're writing a 742 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: corridor where the deer are traveling. Um, then obviously the 743 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: bucks coming through, he'll he'll work it. But um, yeah, 744 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: you can pattern pattern in dolls, patternet spot, get that 745 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: spot and then just just hunt it. That's uh. Now 746 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: is that more of what it was done? Is that 747 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: more of a thing that just works at the very 748 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: beginning of the run. I'm wondering if once you're in 749 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: November ten and a percent of the dos or heat, 750 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,479 Speaker 1: it probably isn't as effective because because everything's lit up, right, 751 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: So then then what you want to do is now 752 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna look. Now you're on located adult that's literally 753 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: in heat, and the bucks are dogging her. She could 754 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: be bread. In a couple of days, you're gonna have 755 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: not one buck on her. You're gonna have a shiploadle 756 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: bucks and that and that little I don't know if 757 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: you ever experienced the turn the ruck. You'll be on 758 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: a wherever you're actually least your property, and all of 759 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: a sudden, for two or three days, four days, the 760 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: thing just it's just ice cool. It's like a ghost town. Um. 761 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: It was like on fire for a minute, and then 762 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: just pull all those bucks might be on one doll 763 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: that's going on to heat and just trailing her and 764 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: telling her and wherever the hell she's at or traveling too, 765 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: that's where they're at. So you have to have the 766 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: werewold all to go find that, um situation. It's pretty 767 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: it's pretty easy with scouting and I do the old 768 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: bumping dumb at that time, you'll you'll jump a bunch 769 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: of bucks in a drawer in a certain spot. Uh. 770 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: And if there's a bunch of them there and someone 771 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: may even moving or running off, you kind of know 772 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,240 Speaker 1: that you're in the right draw so you could, um, 773 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: you know, you can step up and hunt hunt that 774 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: spot and if you're not, if you're on the other 775 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: side of the farm, you'll you'll burn up to three 776 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: days and not literally not see you see a thing. 777 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you've experienced it, but I've 778 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: had his menus. You know, ten twelve bucks all in 779 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: one draw, um, trying to get ahold of one dough 780 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: that's that's coming in, you know. Yeah, And this is 781 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: one of those things that I want to dive deeper 782 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: into because you mentioned this real lightly last time, But 783 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about the scenario where 784 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: you would do this. So I know you said, Okay, 785 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: during the rut and it's cold and cold by like 786 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: you're not seeing a lot of activities. So is there 787 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: a certain window like dates is it? Is this a 788 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: thing that from no feeling okay, yeah, you'll be sitting 789 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: in it's like Jesus Christ, you know, this is this 790 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 1: is insane. You're sitting here. It's just uh you're thinking, 791 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: you're all you're in your traditional good spots, uh, and 792 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: it's just it's just stuff just goals just goes cold 793 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: on you and you just, um, you gotta find out 794 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: where the action is happening, you know, and it's and 795 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 1: it's happening somewhere and sadly, if you've got a small piece, 796 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: it could be happening on somebody else's deal and you're 797 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: you're stuff just waiting for um, waiting for it to happen. 798 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: So are there any specific kinds of places that you 799 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: are going when you're trying to find where this rut 800 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: fest is happening? Is it? Are you gonna walk right 801 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: away or hit each betting area or what I know? 802 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: Um like on this property? You know, and and with 803 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: experience of hunting us a spot you should over over 804 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: years you should learn those. We have an area here 805 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: that there's a long drawn out, really sick nasty cedars 806 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: grass is an old pastor area that literally comes to 807 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: a law ms rowing on the point and ends up 808 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: going nowhere. It comes to all open fields and at 809 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: that time of the year, them those just they all 810 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: everything puts down into that type point. It's like really 811 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: thick where they can kind of height and try and 812 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: say for them dolls, and it just it just lights 813 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: up like you wouldn't believe in that corner and you 814 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: will just see big buck after big buck just heading 815 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: down into that corner shopping for somethone heading back out 816 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: you know, looking if they're if they're in there, if 817 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: they're stacked in or and I have a numerous, numerous 818 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: big deer um in that spot and now I already 819 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: have now I have stands set for where they come 820 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: in and out of there. So it's it's a really 821 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: nice set. Um. I got a buddy coming out this year. 822 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him on that spot. And hell, that 823 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: was stuff a good time, so um kind of a 824 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: it's thick, but it's grassy. It's thick with mixed pines. 825 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: So where you're sitting you can see a lot, if 826 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: that makes sense. You know, you're not real high in 827 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: the stand, but you get a chance to see all 828 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: the action and uh. And some of the spots are 829 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: where you're you're so thick at the pint. It really 830 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: sucks because it's it just happens all of a sudden boom. 831 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,280 Speaker 1: There's you know, there's a hundred and sixty bucks sitting 832 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: right there, and you didn't even have time to react 833 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: or get ready, and you know you got about whose 834 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: seconds to make a move or it's or it's gone 835 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: type of things. So I hate those spots. But there 836 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: are some that are that are really good that a 837 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: guy just has to sit, you know. Let's say then 838 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,439 Speaker 1: we we are searching for a place like that. Let's 839 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: say you know, I went out, it's been a lousy 840 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: two days of red hunting, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay, 841 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,839 Speaker 1: there must be something going on somewhere else. I'm gonna 842 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 1: try to find it. I'm getting aggressive, so I'm walking 843 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: around like you're describing. I'm checking out some of these nasty, grassy, 844 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,439 Speaker 1: thick spots and I find it. I get in there, 845 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,919 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, two bucks go running off, 846 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: and I see a doe squired out, and I'm thinking, okay, 847 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: this might be what we're talking about. Can you tell 848 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: me how you set up in that spot? Like, because 849 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: do you want to walk through it all and see it? 850 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: Do you stop right then? You're you're there? Actually found 851 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: them other load. Now you just you know, you look 852 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: for the beat trail or a sign that that's that's 853 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,399 Speaker 1: good with the with the wind there, and you get 854 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: on that. Uh you get on that that trail and 855 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: you set up and you you sit tight. I've had 856 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: a lot of times where I'd be setting up a 857 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: stand and uh um. Sometimes I'll run and grab a 858 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: stand and and and bring one back in and set 859 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 1: up on that. And I've had a lot of times 860 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: right how to stand with me? And as I'm setting up, 861 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: lo and behold a freaking deer come piling right back 862 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: in through. And um you got you got a buck 863 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: standing there watching you set up your stand too. So um, 864 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: that's why I traditionally like to stay kind of low 865 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: and um, kind of out of the way. But yeah, 866 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: when you find those little uh louting honey hooles, I've 867 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: done a lot of times. I've pushed them all out 868 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: of there, got my stand, and boom, they all come 869 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: just you know, toward evening, even if they went and 870 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: bed and a little further, just come come piling out 871 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: of there. Um, those bucks all tuntings and stuff. Soon. 872 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: How long will you give a spot like that? Will 873 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 1: you hunt it for two more days? Will you sit 874 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: on it for a while? A spot like that, you're 875 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: gonna you'll capitalize on it right away. You're in, you're 876 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: in the ship. It's gonna happen right then that night 877 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: you're on red hot sign. Um. If it's if it 878 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: takes two days, those they're they're not there. They they 879 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: had an offer who knows what the hell happened. You know, 880 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: mighty ran across the road, you might chase to cross 881 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: across the road or something back in there, and some 882 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: other big guy got onto it and they're battling over there. 883 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: But traditionally, um, when it does, when they're kind of 884 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: that doll, they're gonna they don't give a ship what 885 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: you are as long as you're not bumping and spooking 886 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: the dough. And a lot of times they don't the 887 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: dolls I even't seem to care. I've almost had the 888 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: assumption that some of them dos literally bring them bucks 889 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: by you, hoping the freaking that you can get the 890 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: hell that that thing off their aft, you can punted back, 891 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 1: you know, so help me out. But it's, uh, yeah, 892 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: it's weird. It's and they don't give a ship. They 893 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 1: got a hot goal. They can see you, they can um. 894 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: They ain't leaving her side. Wherever she's going, she's they're following. 895 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: What about What about a situation like you personally might 896 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: find yourself in where you go and you find one 897 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: of these hotspots you're hunting and you're in the middle 898 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: of it, there's a dough run around, there's seven bucks 899 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 1: all over the place, but none of them are the 900 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: buck you want, so you're not gonna hang around just 901 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: in case a big one. Absolutely. So like early season 902 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: this year, I'm I'm sitting observation post. Nothing's going on yet, 903 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: everything's uh. I go into certain fields that I got 904 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,760 Speaker 1: food plots, hel Delfa, and I sit back and I watch, 905 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: and let's say I got five seven bucks off the 906 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: field feeding a bunch of dolls out there. None of 907 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: them are acknowledging each other, They're just on the feed. 908 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: It's it's second week October. I basically know that what 909 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: I've seen that night there is what that place has 910 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: to offer. And I I just get down and I 911 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: go look at the next spot. And then I, uh 912 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: so I went to another spot that well, it was 913 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: actually spot three, and that's where I located three monstrous 914 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,399 Speaker 1: eight points right off one of our food plots. Just um, 915 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: and you'll see some of the stuff on white peledictions 916 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: this year. I got on video, but um, you know, 917 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty excited. I've seen some nice cages coming out 918 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: and shoot and um and they're all freaking eggs, big disavates. 919 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: Uh So I kind of know that that's what that 920 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,959 Speaker 1: spot has to offer. So I kept bouncing a little 921 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: bit of time that I had. Uh a matter of fact, 922 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: I think that one spot I had to come back 923 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: to one time because I got a call a truck 924 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,319 Speaker 1: was coming. I had to get down at a half 925 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:53,280 Speaker 1: hour before dark and go onload the truck, which um 926 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: just about killed me. But that last half hour could 927 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: have been where maybe a magna would have came out 928 00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: and I had a glimpse of them, So I didn't 929 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: get the until that I really wanted there. But normally, 930 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: like I said, you your weed through it. Most guys 931 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: are they an't leaving that you know they're parking her 932 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: grass or seeing them here, that's they're not leaving that spot. 933 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: And um, and also the stand that will have a 934 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,399 Speaker 1: shipload of one fifties come through and I'll get done 935 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: and I won't come back because there's just not what 936 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking for in that spot. So ma'am, yeah, well 937 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: you know what you want and I gotta go find it. 938 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: I get that. What about uh the next scenario in 939 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: here where you found this pocket of excitement and you 940 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: do see a buck you want, but he's locked on 941 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: that dough hard and you know they're not they're not 942 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: coming your way. Do you walk me through what you 943 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: are you gonna throw the throw the book at him 944 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,919 Speaker 1: with every call and rattling sequence you got chasing down. 945 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: I've done a little of that stuff, but all the 946 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: call and adela and you want and taking that buck 947 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,479 Speaker 1: off that door, you're gonna have to. So let's say 948 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: maybe it's a doll that you know, Maybe it's a 949 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: dough you've seen before and you can identify and you 950 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: know her travel routes, or we're you know, you're just 951 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: try and get on that corridor. Um. A good calling 952 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,919 Speaker 1: card for you to key in on is when when 953 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: a big dominant deer, if he's got other bucks harass 954 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: and trying to get to her, they will leave some aggressive, 955 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: aggressive rubs on those trails that that dough is using. 956 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: And that's when you find that just you sit that 957 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: trail because you're you're gonna get your crack the next 958 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: day that doesn't come through there and he's gonna be 959 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: on ear and of seeing that just dozens of times 960 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: over the years. So um, you can get some good 961 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 1: until that way, it's still a little still a little 962 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: bit of scouting. Um, I've already grabbed the stand, freaking 963 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: ran around almost think I was outcometing, and tried to 964 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: set up um where there was more of a pinch point, 965 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,879 Speaker 1: thinking that doll was heading that direction. She go through, 966 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: and I just I'd just be awf a little too 967 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: far and the head through and hit up somewhere else. So, um, 968 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: but I don't know how you could call a buck 969 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,919 Speaker 1: off a doll that's in heed, he's got why would 970 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: he want to do anything? But um, hey, litter, you 971 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: also what he wanted. So you would you go back 972 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: in there as soon as you possibly could and get 973 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: set up on that corridor somehow that's gonna be. So 974 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: let's say, like I said, it's let's say it's a 975 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,879 Speaker 1: four day window. Let's say he's on two day two. 976 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: You have to get on you have to be on 977 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: that trail um that that doll is using, and he 978 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: will be following up not far behind. So uh and 979 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: if you miss that, you miss it. If he breeds her, 980 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: then he's off running somewhere else and he's not on 981 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 1: that spot, and he just that's the rut is just 982 00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a total luck and and percentage 983 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: game and it really is. And in the favor of 984 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: a guy the hunter, you know. Mostly that's why most 985 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: of these guys don't the rut because you can you 986 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 1: can get out there and get a crack every day 987 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: bucks that are traveling, there's not you know, I'm just 988 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: more tuned the one that I want. But if I 989 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: had to feed my family or just get a deer, um, 990 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned me many times of a buff 991 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: that will get up and I'll go buy you know, 992 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: ten or six different seven different different sets on the 993 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 1: property and one night where before you can get it. 994 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: You can get them to go by one. Yeah, as 995 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: all spots. So it's really um best for if you 996 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: want to fill tag and harvest um. And it's probably 997 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,319 Speaker 1: your best bet for the buck of your life too 998 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: because at that time of year, some of them deer 999 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: that you know, how the big deer are there. Um, 1000 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 1: they don't move a lot. They're they're hung up in 1001 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 1: their own area. There's solitary you don't make a lot 1002 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: of you know. And now they're up playing and getting 1003 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: stupid and doing stuffy shouldn't be doing so their their 1004 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: their guards. They're leaving herself wide open, you know, So 1005 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: it would be your it'd be into your advantage to 1006 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: be in the woods every freaking minute you could at 1007 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,520 Speaker 1: that time of year. And and is that what it 1008 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,319 Speaker 1: looks like for you? I think I remember hearing something 1009 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,719 Speaker 1: at some point that you don't like to hunt all day, 1010 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: or you're used to, but don't anymore. Is that right? 1011 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 1: I can't hunt all day? That's just too long about 1012 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: you know. It's it's one thing if you go on 1013 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 1: a hunt. Here's the big dilemma. With all my own 1014 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: farm here and run a business and half farming. If 1015 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: I was away for a week and just hunting, I 1016 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 1: could sit the whole day, but I'd never sit in 1017 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,360 Speaker 1: the same stand a whole day. I would sit in 1018 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: three three different spots throughout the day to break it up. Um, 1019 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: but a lot of time, you know, those spots to 1020 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,239 Speaker 1: these all day hunts. I could tell you that the 1021 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: two or three hour window you're gonna see your damn 1022 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: deer on that whole day sit. And I used to 1023 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: tell him about it at all the time, as you know, 1024 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: he's he said, all freaking day, I see my action 1025 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 1: and then uh early and late, and he see just 1026 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,399 Speaker 1: one set of action too during the day. So um, 1027 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: but this rut time, those they are they get up 1028 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: and they're moving. Even when the doose are better, they're searching, 1029 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: they're they're just they're just traveling a lot more so 1030 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 1: it's it really is to your advantage to um to 1031 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: be in there. And I get down way too early, 1032 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of that. A lot of times some 1033 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: bucks will let those dogs go back to bed everything, 1034 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: let us settle down, and that's when they get up 1035 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: and start shagging and running big, you know, big miles 1036 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,720 Speaker 1: and putting some miles on to look for for dolls, 1037 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: going to heat if they haven't got one already, you know. Yeah. 1038 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: So do you ever hunt midday anymore? Is that something 1039 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 1: you ever tried keying on somewhere? Yeah? When I do? 1040 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: And oh it's good that I lost the point of 1041 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: that is that when you're hunting out of your own home, 1042 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: you know how it is, there's something always comes up. 1043 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 1: You're trying to do something a little bit before you. 1044 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,320 Speaker 1: I just think we are right now, we're trying to 1045 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,800 Speaker 1: get this podcast on. So we both get in the 1046 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,919 Speaker 1: woods right then. I gotta run their shop. I gotta 1047 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: do was some you know, see what they're doing there 1048 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: and making sure they're building the right stuff. And then um, 1049 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,280 Speaker 1: you just get you're you're not really hunting full full scale. 1050 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: Your you're juggling stuff where if you're out on a 1051 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: hunt or um just strictly they're hunting what's in somebody's peace, 1052 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: and you're you're spending your whole time doing that. You 1053 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: got a lot more effective. But to get to that point, 1054 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,800 Speaker 1: if the moon face says activity at twelve thirty in 1055 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,879 Speaker 1: the afternoon, like when I used in October, I'd said 1056 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,319 Speaker 1: I'd be taking corn out or my crops out, um, 1057 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,800 Speaker 1: and you know I'd have to unload trucks at primetime 1058 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: in the evening, or you do want to get going 1059 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,920 Speaker 1: right away in the morning. I could dive out for 1060 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,680 Speaker 1: an hour and a half in midday and get a 1061 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: get a little sit in or something like that. So, um, 1062 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: it's just a long that's a long day. In one stand, 1063 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: I've never been real patient. Um, you'll be able to 1064 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 1: doing that. I always thought it was more beneficial to 1065 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,280 Speaker 1: get down and look around them. It was to sit. Um, 1066 00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: scout scout scout hunt. You know, so you've mentioned the 1067 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: moon phase. This is something that I know you've You've 1068 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,960 Speaker 1: put a lot of weight behind over the years. We 1069 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: didn't really touch on it in our previous conversation. Can 1070 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: you can you walk me through what it is you're 1071 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 1: king in on when it comes to the moon phase 1072 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: or times, um, and how that changes your strategy the general. UM, 1073 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,880 Speaker 1: So I don't ever let it be an excuse for 1074 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,440 Speaker 1: not getting the woods, and I probably use it for 1075 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 1: an excuse to stay a little longer or you know. 1076 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: So so if I hunt and I traditionally get down 1077 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: at nine thirty or ten earlier in October and it 1078 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,720 Speaker 1: says that you know there's gonna be activity at ten thirty, 1079 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: I'll sit the extra hour, um and watch it. But 1080 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 1: traditionally you're, um, you're deeral move and they move a 1081 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: little later every day, a little later every day, so 1082 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: you can kind of follow that around, and it's, uh, 1083 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,719 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're back, you're doing your fireman and 1084 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 1: you're seeing dear mid day because that's the time they're 1085 00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: up in moving mid day. But you're doing what you're doing. 1086 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 1: You know, you only got time to hunt in the morning. 1087 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,760 Speaker 1: So it's, um, it's a little frustrating that I almost 1088 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: wish I didn't know about that, because it's like dam 1089 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: I wasted my time here today or I should I, um, 1090 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 1: you know, do that or sleep in and go out 1091 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,120 Speaker 1: a little bit later. And just the day you do that, 1092 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,839 Speaker 1: it ends up costing you big. So um hunt as 1093 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: budget you can, as often as you can. You can't 1094 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: kill him from you know. Yeah, I'm a tractor in 1095 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: the hall. So true. And and the moon when you 1096 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 1: said when the moon times tells you to you know, 1097 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: stay a little later or something, am I right in that? 1098 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: The moon information you're paying attention to. You look at 1099 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,920 Speaker 1: the red moon days right, the dial that just follow 1100 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: So before even the moon charts, I got animal his 1101 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: dials that I've been following. Um uh that all that 1102 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: Murray studies they did. And traditionally what I found before 1103 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,439 Speaker 1: even that is the closer to full moon, the later 1104 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,279 Speaker 1: to deer move when it gets full moon. They just 1105 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: moved late, and they're they're coming out after dark. But 1106 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,960 Speaker 1: traditionally on that then your mornings are better late morning. 1107 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 1: So in the morning when you get in and go 1108 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: hunt right at the sun up, a lot of those 1109 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,879 Speaker 1: they are betted and they're not up there moving yet. 1110 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: And everybody that's fun it has seen that you'll go 1111 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 1: in sometimes I can go in. I go in to 1112 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: the center of my property because it's the only way 1113 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,400 Speaker 1: I can go in through a bunch of fields. And 1114 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,440 Speaker 1: I could travel this whole property and not see a 1115 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: deer up on its feet anywhere near the corn any 1116 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: of the fields, get into my stand and it ship 1117 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: won't happen fill nine o'clock, you know, it just it 1118 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,879 Speaker 1: just is not. And then there's other times that you'll 1119 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,680 Speaker 1: go and you'll blow forty deer on the land because 1120 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,759 Speaker 1: they're they are up feeding at that time early in 1121 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: the morning, right at sun up and then heading back in. 1122 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: So you can kind of you can kind of use 1123 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 1: that as a guideline too when the most activity is 1124 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: that maybe hot to get in a little different or 1125 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 1: use it to whatever advantage you can. You know you can, um, 1126 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 1: you can use it too. So UM, but one thing 1127 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: is that's usually on feeding and you've gotta be also 1128 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,479 Speaker 1: smart about it that. Um the rut and big deer 1129 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: activity is totally different from this has nothing to do 1130 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,800 Speaker 1: with feeding patterns. It's got nothing to do with anything 1131 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 1: but checking order and ruts. So, uh, you still have 1132 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: that information. But uh, some of these deer is big 1133 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: deer out moving around because not because the moon face 1134 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 1: says they should be on feeding. It's because they're going 1135 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: checking scrapes or making scrapes, you know, early October and 1136 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: maintaining a scrape line or things of that nature too. So, um, 1137 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: you gotta take that all into count you know. Yeah. 1138 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: So basically, once you get to this part of the 1139 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: year and into November, there's there's bigger forces at play. 1140 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of what you're saying, yeah, yeah, so um 1141 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: yeah you wanna um E said that bucks are up 1142 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 1: and they're moving. They're moving just about all data. They're 1143 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 1: still bedding somewhere here or that, but they're so um 1144 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: they can come through anywhere at any time. So so 1145 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 1: here's a very specific scenario for you that I actually 1146 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: encountered recently and I'm just kind of curious how you 1147 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: would think about it. Um. Basically, there's a I spotted 1148 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: a buck that I think it was a very brief sighting, um, 1149 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,560 Speaker 1: just a flash, but I think it was a target buck. 1150 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 1: But he was doing something that I wouldn't expect him 1151 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: to do. He was heading kind of into a little, tiny, 1152 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: little little betting pocket, like a quarter acre little pocket, 1153 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 1: um where it was next to a dirt field that 1154 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: got disked under. It's not where the really good stuff is, 1155 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 1: So we went. He dove into this little tiny pocket 1156 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,040 Speaker 1: on an evening hunt. While I would have thought that 1157 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: if he was going anywhere, he'd be going to another 1158 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: part of the property that I could also see where 1159 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: they're cutting the corn right now. So this there I'm 1160 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,520 Speaker 1: looking at is okay. I know that with the corn 1161 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: being cut right now, that most every day is gonna 1162 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,320 Speaker 1: be flocking to that cut corn field. So you would 1163 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: think that the best place would be would be somewhere 1164 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: near that. But you just had this sighting of a 1165 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 1: buck year after on the other side, UM going into 1166 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: a random place that you wouldn't have thought to hunt 1167 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,800 Speaker 1: except for the fact that you just saw him there. 1168 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 1: Would you hunt the random spout where you just saw him, 1169 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,640 Speaker 1: or would you say, and that was probably a fluke, 1170 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 1: I should focus on the spot where probably he'll be 1171 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,919 Speaker 1: absolutely And I always go with what what my eyes 1172 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: have seen and told me, and not what preconceived perfect 1173 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 1: scenarios and conditions are. I've found so many huge books 1174 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: that hundreds of years ago um in Wisconsin, and spots 1175 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,080 Speaker 1: just like that, heavy plowed fields you could barely walk 1176 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: across them in a bucket. Go better than spots, and 1177 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: nobody's just to walk to that little stick of the 1178 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 1: brush out there. You'd break your ankles trying to get 1179 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 1: to there. Uh. Now, if do you think he was 1180 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,480 Speaker 1: diving in there too, bed that he was just gonna 1181 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 1: go in there and that's where he was gonna lay low? 1182 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Or did you think he was just traveling from playing 1183 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,120 Speaker 1: to point B or I mean, that's that's the thing is. 1184 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,600 Speaker 1: It's hard to say because he was leaving where I 1185 01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,960 Speaker 1: thought his traditional betting or would be, and he was 1186 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 1: and this is in the this is like an hour 1187 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 1: more than an hour before dark in the evening, and 1188 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,000 Speaker 1: so he's leaving the main betting area and was going 1189 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,920 Speaker 1: into this little tiny kind of secondary dough betting area. 1190 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: So my thought was that if if that was actually him, 1191 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 1: like I think it was, maybe he was just checking 1192 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: out one of these little tiny dough pockets and then 1193 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,520 Speaker 1: circling down the next day. I would have been ant 1194 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 1: set up in that little low thicket for him maybe 1195 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: to do that same thing. Maybe that's the route he's 1196 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 1: taken from, maybe that's not his territory. Other way, all 1197 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 1: that prime shouldn't he has to go to that little 1198 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 1: plot across another plowed field into another whole area. Was 1199 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,720 Speaker 1: where his travel is going out at night that way, um, 1200 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: and that's a little stepping stone to get there. So um, 1201 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: if you thought he was betting there, you can actually 1202 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,000 Speaker 1: just go blow him out of there too in the 1203 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 1: middle of day and see if feels he was betting 1204 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 1: an earn held up or and then a spot like 1205 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 1: that too. Sometimes you don't want to hunt him where at. 1206 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 1: You want hunt where you're going. So um, you know, 1207 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,560 Speaker 1: maybe you leave. That's not gonna be a good deal 1208 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 1: for you to go across that ploid field and there's 1209 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: not enough in there a set of stand If you've 1210 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 1: seen where he came out, you get on the edge 1211 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: of that and you wait for him to make that 1212 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,640 Speaker 1: move and had that direction again, and you can go 1213 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,320 Speaker 1: over on a plouid field where you've seen him come out, 1214 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:38,600 Speaker 1: go over there and take a look and see the 1215 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,520 Speaker 1: tracks he left behind. If there's three or four sets 1216 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,120 Speaker 1: of him going that way, he's doing that pretty damn consistently, 1217 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,440 Speaker 1: and you know that you've you've found something that nobody 1218 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,280 Speaker 1: else is gonna even think. You got the honey hole. Man, 1219 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,520 Speaker 1: he just got you know, um there it's it's been 1220 01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 1: keyed up for you already to go do it. So yeah, yeah, 1221 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna that that that's that happened last night. So 1222 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going out there tonight and uh and gonna 1223 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 1: gonna go over to that spot where I saw him, because, 1224 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 1: like you said, even though it doesn't make a whole 1225 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,560 Speaker 1: lot of sense, it seems like you shouldn't you should 1226 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,120 Speaker 1: here's the worst what's the way worse? Nay, And you 1227 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,080 Speaker 1: sit on the field edge he comes out again, and 1228 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,680 Speaker 1: that's not worst case. It's probably best cage and you 1229 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080 Speaker 1: kill it the damn thing going out. You sit there 1230 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 1: and you don't see him come out that way tonight, 1231 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 1: and then you get down, or before you go, I 1232 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,360 Speaker 1: would even look around and check them tracks. You get 1233 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,120 Speaker 1: it pretty excited if you see that there's a trail 1234 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: actually started on the beginning of that beat PLoud Field 1235 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,480 Speaker 1: and he's said in that way, and now you know 1236 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,280 Speaker 1: you've got him coming that way. Now you're just gonna 1237 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: be concerned that he gets out there early enough where 1238 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,640 Speaker 1: I think it's getting to where they're moving a little 1239 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: worse right now. By if I recall, Um, it's like 1240 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,200 Speaker 1: getting later and later. But uh, you know, you learn something, 1241 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: you sit it, and you take a shot at it. 1242 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: That's a worth kill one. So would you rather be 1243 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 1: sitting there at a chance at that or on a 1244 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: busy field with a shipload of dolls and small box 1245 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,720 Speaker 1: and um having a good old time looking at all 1246 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,560 Speaker 1: that action or yeah, or getting out to where you 1247 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:16,720 Speaker 1: want what you want sit or look you know, Yeah, Yeah, 1248 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,160 Speaker 1: that's that seems to be the thing to do. So 1249 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: it seems like it's either going to be one of 1250 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: those sits where I see nothing or I see the 1251 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: one I want and and I guess when you're after 1252 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,520 Speaker 1: a buck like that, that's what you gotta do. Yeah, 1253 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,520 Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with see a day or somethhere 1254 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,760 Speaker 1: you learn something new. Or yeah, I want to I 1255 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,080 Speaker 1: want to rewind the tape just a little bit back 1256 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 1: to a foul up question I had when it comes 1257 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,960 Speaker 1: to the buck locked on a dough situation, because this 1258 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,800 Speaker 1: is this is something I want to make sure recovered. 1259 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,040 Speaker 1: You talked about the fact that when you see that, 1260 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: you should move right in there into that whatever that 1261 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,720 Speaker 1: most likely travel corridors for that dough and be there 1262 01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,040 Speaker 1: to hopefully intercept them coming back or forth, um again 1263 01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,960 Speaker 1: the next day. But how long will you how long 1264 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,120 Speaker 1: would you give us about like that? Would you say 1265 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:05,960 Speaker 1: just the next day or would you give it a 1266 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 1: couple of days because it might be two or three 1267 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 1: days there together. That's ah. Um. If it's like I 1268 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,000 Speaker 1: said to rub on a trail, that's a I mean, 1269 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,880 Speaker 1: it's happening right then and there. It's you know, you're 1270 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: you're doing that, You're you're setting up, you're hunting right 1271 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 1: you know. It's almost like there isn't a delayed time 1272 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,560 Speaker 1: to us. So there you're like that, you're not getting 1273 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: um times of the essence. You know. Once once he 1274 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,680 Speaker 1: breathes that dough and it's he'll take her out somewhere 1275 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 1: that um, nobody's getting to an other bucks and other 1276 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,560 Speaker 1: people and a breeder. It's and it's over. So you 1277 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 1: just you capitalize on sign as quick as you can, 1278 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,440 Speaker 1: just like you did there. You're seeing something, you move 1279 01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: on it now tonight. Then you see something else from there, 1280 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 1: you move on. You don't you don't backpedal, and you 1281 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,920 Speaker 1: don't wait. Um uh. You want to be on a 1282 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: red hot sign, purchase it you'll you'll be in the game, 1283 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,520 Speaker 1: UM like you've never been before. You your opportunities and 1284 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,720 Speaker 1: your chances are just gonna start going up for you. UM, 1285 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm seeing it on a page do I'm reading stories 1286 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:15,240 Speaker 1: from guys Deppen him hauling around for ten years, six years. 1287 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,080 Speaker 1: They got mobile, they got aggressive, they went in and 1288 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,560 Speaker 1: they got a freaking done. Um. You know what's your 1289 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,000 Speaker 1: level of aggression. It's it's hunting and you know, go 1290 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,120 Speaker 1: hunt them down. And UM, you're literally like a world 1291 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,320 Speaker 1: hunting them down. And your stand is your set up 1292 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,720 Speaker 1: at the point that you're gonna you're you're gonna try 1293 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,720 Speaker 1: and ambush. I mean, also stick with the hot sign 1294 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:43,600 Speaker 1: and keep keep going. You're good percentages will be away 1295 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:48,080 Speaker 1: in your favor than just now. Are guys that got 1296 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,240 Speaker 1: there old. You know, I sit back and wait until 1297 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,640 Speaker 1: the ship hits the fans that I go on that 1298 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 1: you know that's fine for you if that's what works 1299 01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,640 Speaker 1: for you, um, or you know you got um whatever 1300 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,959 Speaker 1: scenario would be. You know you got this perfect stand. 1301 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,520 Speaker 1: You need this perfect wind to hunt the spot. So 1302 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,240 Speaker 1: the spot's red hunting red hot, and you're not getting 1303 01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,000 Speaker 1: the perfect wind, why not take a portable and going 1304 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 1: to manipulate that spot right now it's red hot, instead 1305 01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,439 Speaker 1: of waiting for the ship to peter out and missed 1306 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,600 Speaker 1: the boat. It doesn't make any never made any sense 1307 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,200 Speaker 1: to me from from day one. Soul Um. You know 1308 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,360 Speaker 1: I heard you. I can't remember where I saw this, 1309 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: but you were talking about this idea of finding a 1310 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,680 Speaker 1: red hot spot like that. But you mentioned that a 1311 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,840 Speaker 1: mistake a lot of people make is that they're afraid 1312 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,000 Speaker 1: to over hunt a spot like that. So the hunted 1313 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,720 Speaker 1: a day and then they think, oh, well, the first 1314 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,760 Speaker 1: hunt's done. Uh, I should go somewhere else, But you 1315 01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,960 Speaker 1: said that, no, Um, you need to keep pounding it 1316 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,000 Speaker 1: because if you leave, it's gonna fizzle out. Um, you 1317 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 1: hunt it while it's hot. That's so, that's traditionally October 1318 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,240 Speaker 1: hunts earlier. You know, your best time in is your 1319 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 1: first crack. Uh. Then you've kind of polluted a little bit, 1320 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 1: you kind of Um, Um, I got a deer to 1321 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 1: one one up. But when you start getting more towards 1322 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,960 Speaker 1: the rock and all that, and you get this, you 1323 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,800 Speaker 1: get a spot that's like a freaking zoo. None of 1324 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 1: them dear to give a shot anymore. They're gonna. They're 1325 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,920 Speaker 1: just they're running. And it's where you would watch those 1326 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,480 Speaker 1: I would check trails up and up in Wisconsin and Nicola, 1327 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:24,160 Speaker 1: I had open hardwoods i'd hunted, and there's a faint 1328 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,360 Speaker 1: trail that would go around the edge of the swamp 1329 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,800 Speaker 1: on the edge of the um the hardwoods and where 1330 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,360 Speaker 1: the traditional betting was. And I remember every year I 1331 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,200 Speaker 1: would just be anxious. I always go over and look 1332 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:37,960 Speaker 1: at that trail, and I go over there and look 1333 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,080 Speaker 1: at that trail. And then one day I go over 1334 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,360 Speaker 1: look in that trail and overnight the thing is just 1335 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,880 Speaker 1: beat the freaking mud. It looks like a all of 1336 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 1: them deer running that trail. It's the same amount of 1337 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,840 Speaker 1: deer running that trail and they're just running back and 1338 01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,040 Speaker 1: forth up and pretty rough before that rock where and 1339 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,360 Speaker 1: they're just it's it's red hot. Everything's happening. Time to 1340 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,840 Speaker 1: sit that trail. But get on there and and stay 1341 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,080 Speaker 1: on it because it's um you know. Like I said, 1342 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I've gone on bump bucks that seeing me bump them 1343 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,080 Speaker 1: and came right back. They don't give a shoot. So 1344 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,520 Speaker 1: hunt it well. It's hot, and when it fizzles out, 1345 01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:16,200 Speaker 1: then then move them. We'll find the next hot spot. Um, 1346 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,200 Speaker 1: and so when all the time, yeah, you know you're 1347 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,920 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna capitalize. So when you say fizzle out, 1348 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,720 Speaker 1: basically you mean don't stop hunting that spot until you 1349 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,040 Speaker 1: stop seeing the deer you're interested in. If you're sitting there, 1350 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,120 Speaker 1: and if it's been three days, they keep seeing it, 1351 01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,960 Speaker 1: still using it, you hunt it and all of a sudden, 1352 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,760 Speaker 1: now you know, the next day comes around and the 1353 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,280 Speaker 1: deer don't show and they move or whatever, then then 1354 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,840 Speaker 1: you get done and start poking around again, go go 1355 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,160 Speaker 1: after a middle Yeah, now what about We kind of 1356 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 1: talked about some specific situations related to hunting the rut 1357 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,759 Speaker 1: with lockdown doors or hunting those evening sits by food sources. 1358 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,280 Speaker 1: But what about mornings Because for a lot of people, 1359 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,120 Speaker 1: mornings are what people think of is like your us 1360 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,280 Speaker 1: to run opportunity that because late morning movement and cruising 1361 01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,840 Speaker 1: and chasing, and where are the spots you're focusing on 1362 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:11,200 Speaker 1: for the first part of the day during these November hunts. 1363 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,320 Speaker 1: So if it's uh that time of year, and like 1364 01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,680 Speaker 1: I mentioned, you have traditional spots that are good that 1365 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:22,559 Speaker 1: you've so, um, if I mind my farm here everywhere 1366 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,960 Speaker 1: I got stand set in these certain areas. It's in 1367 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,280 Speaker 1: the perfect spot for certain wins, um, sometimes for multiple wins. 1368 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,800 Speaker 1: But if there's a deer traveling through there, you can 1369 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,400 Speaker 1: get them shot there. Um. So you're gonna start now, 1370 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna start, just start balancing around. You're gonna hope 1371 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 1: if it's still a deer that you're looking to get, 1372 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna hope it's gonna be luck that he just 1373 01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 1: happens to come through there. Now that spot that day, um, 1374 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,800 Speaker 1: for whatever reason it is, it's not pattern, but you 1375 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,760 Speaker 1: have a spot that you know it's good that you 1376 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,880 Speaker 1: know you can get ship killed. It's a good set 1377 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,600 Speaker 1: clean um, a good opportunity it comes through there. And 1378 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: if it doesn't, you could try and sit that again. 1379 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,680 Speaker 1: It's like rolling the dice or you jump to the 1380 01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,280 Speaker 1: next spot that's really good um and hot and you 1381 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 1: go you go sit and you said that, and you 1382 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,120 Speaker 1: just start bounce around and you see something you like 1383 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,920 Speaker 1: and if you see something you can slide over the 1384 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:25,840 Speaker 1: portable or um, what are these what are these spots? Though? Yeah, 1385 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,400 Speaker 1: because you're saying that you're hunting a traditionally good spot 1386 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,760 Speaker 1: that is safe from a win perspective. It kind of 1387 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,639 Speaker 1: makes me think, like you're saying like therese are pinch 1388 01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,360 Speaker 1: points or you know, so let me tell you what 1389 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,760 Speaker 1: I think about pinch points. Dear, no pinch points there 1390 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,120 Speaker 1: live there and know it's a pinch point that there 1391 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,280 Speaker 1: there's a So when I hunt those most spots, I 1392 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: kind of like to sit out where I can cover 1393 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,800 Speaker 1: anything getting through a pinch point, cause sometimes geographically they 1394 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,559 Speaker 1: have to go through the spots, and I don't think 1395 01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,479 Speaker 1: do you really like to do that? Um? I think 1396 01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,040 Speaker 1: the guard gets up on that. So and let's just 1397 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,759 Speaker 1: the rock. It's deer that never been through there before, 1398 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,759 Speaker 1: don't know the area, good flying, But um, I'm more hunting, 1399 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, specific early it don't then start your tough 1400 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,840 Speaker 1: got an open gate that the deer can walk right through, 1401 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,040 Speaker 1: and then the big buck just jumps the fence forty 1402 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: down froment and cuts it short and doesn't go through it. 1403 01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,800 Speaker 1: You know, I just, um, not a big fan. But 1404 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 1: the g you know, I got areas here that are 1405 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,479 Speaker 1: big draws on both sides that or maybe a hundred 1406 01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,400 Speaker 1: yard to cross. If a deer is coming through there, 1407 01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,479 Speaker 1: it's got to come through from one room wall to 1408 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,400 Speaker 1: the other. Um, and I have those spots where over 1409 01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,519 Speaker 1: the years I watch and I see how the deer 1410 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,320 Speaker 1: moved through them, and somebody's bucks will climb up a 1411 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,479 Speaker 1: mountain like you won't believe, cross the bottom and climb 1412 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,320 Speaker 1: up another mountain on the other side. But over the 1413 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,479 Speaker 1: years you'll notice that all the biggest deer seem to 1414 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,000 Speaker 1: do the same thing in that area. So you you 1415 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,680 Speaker 1: set up a stand for that spot, and if a 1416 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,920 Speaker 1: big buck is traveling through there that day, whatever big 1417 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,280 Speaker 1: bucket is you're set up from, you know, you get 1418 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:12,240 Speaker 1: your crack at them. Um, how about this uh situation 1419 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,559 Speaker 1: like that. Let's say we we've found a spot like this, 1420 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,439 Speaker 1: it's and we've we've we've never hunted in there, but 1421 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,320 Speaker 1: we've seen this big I don't know, big oak that's 1422 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,479 Speaker 1: in the middle of what's obviously a betting area. And 1423 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,479 Speaker 1: over the years you've you've seen big bucks past this 1424 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,599 Speaker 1: tree over and over and for whatever reason, you never 1425 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,160 Speaker 1: hunted there. But well, let's say the reason why you 1426 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,720 Speaker 1: never hunted there is because it's like smack dab in 1427 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,479 Speaker 1: the middle of the bedding and there's no doesn't sound 1428 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,559 Speaker 1: like a very good Yeah, it sounds't gonna get one 1429 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,479 Speaker 1: good hunt of that, and then the jinx is gonna 1430 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:47,160 Speaker 1: be up and every freaking deer that comes through here's 1431 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,000 Speaker 1: gonna all um So that was so would you just 1432 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,800 Speaker 1: never hunted or do you know if if I've seen 1433 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,360 Speaker 1: a big deer going by there, I would go take 1434 01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,000 Speaker 1: my one crack at it right and um uh. And 1435 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,920 Speaker 1: it could be a spot that throwing the rut dear 1436 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,080 Speaker 1: travel through that. There might be every week or every day. 1437 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,759 Speaker 1: It could be a different buck going through there. That's 1438 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,120 Speaker 1: you're getting a fresh ambush on them. What trisially happens 1439 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,519 Speaker 1: to spot like that when you hunt them early, then 1440 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,320 Speaker 1: big alpha dos we'll learn that that's a tree that's 1441 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:16,920 Speaker 1: being hunt out of it, and they will really be 1442 01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,840 Speaker 1: um cautious on coming through. I had it this morning. 1443 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna this is the most phenomenal little spot where 1444 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,320 Speaker 1: they trickled through and by to go to bedding, and 1445 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,280 Speaker 1: the deer kind of no. I dropped my hat, I 1446 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,320 Speaker 1: believe it or not. And I always carry an extra hat, 1447 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,840 Speaker 1: so climbing alway on a tree, I put another one on. 1448 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,919 Speaker 1: But these big alpha dolls where they would have traditionally 1449 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,800 Speaker 1: just came through, I'm hunting on the right wind. I'm 1450 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,439 Speaker 1: really careful about what I do there. Um, I don't 1451 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,880 Speaker 1: have anybody else not all spots they get through and 1452 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,160 Speaker 1: go about their business. Bucks will follow through. But now 1453 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,920 Speaker 1: because there's a freaking hat land there and they're getting 1454 01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,599 Speaker 1: a little sent from down although as you know, they 1455 01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,439 Speaker 1: stop start looking around, looking up in the tree at you, 1456 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,080 Speaker 1: and just um and all of a sudden, you know, 1457 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,760 Speaker 1: they learned that that's an ambush spot in that big 1458 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 1: Mama's in a show. Every other doll coming through that 1459 01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,120 Speaker 1: stay away from that tree, slide over here, and then 1460 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:19,360 Speaker 1: you're ruining a you're ruining a really good spot. And also, um, 1461 01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:24,240 Speaker 1: you gotta be careful on not scenarios like that. So yeah, 1462 01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,599 Speaker 1: So if you had let's say a week let's say 1463 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,200 Speaker 1: we're in a weeklong rut vacation and you've got an 1464 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,240 Speaker 1: area like this where you know there's a spot in 1465 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,240 Speaker 1: the middle that's amazing, but you also know what you 1466 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,479 Speaker 1: just described. If you go in there, a lot of 1467 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,400 Speaker 1: deer gonna wind you. Um. So if you've got a 1468 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,320 Speaker 1: seven day run hunt, would you hunt the edges of 1469 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 1: the downward edges of the area and and just wait 1470 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,840 Speaker 1: until the last day or something. I was still up 1471 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,160 Speaker 1: for a good set. I wouldn't go all that because 1472 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,719 Speaker 1: you know, you screw up the doll that's coming through first, 1473 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,639 Speaker 1: and and the money loads what's after her. So you 1474 01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,160 Speaker 1: you still got to be able to have a good 1475 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,320 Speaker 1: clean set where deer can get through there. Would I'll 1476 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,800 Speaker 1: be a molested not knowing they're being hunted to get 1477 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,800 Speaker 1: your crack at a um. You know that big deer. 1478 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,000 Speaker 1: If you start educating every doll that's in there that 1479 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,120 Speaker 1: you're in that tree and they start staying away from 1480 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,320 Speaker 1: it or creating all kinds of havoc, it's not a 1481 01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,599 Speaker 1: good deal, soul Um. Some of them spots are just 1482 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,760 Speaker 1: not vulnerable, brother, or they're just there's not the timber there. 1483 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,759 Speaker 1: But traditionally I'll get in some pretty small little trees, 1484 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,360 Speaker 1: reggae trees on the edge of that. And and you've 1485 01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,360 Speaker 1: heard the term. I think I've heard. I know I 1486 01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:40,920 Speaker 1: read that before it was Bill Winky wrote an article 1487 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,559 Speaker 1: about hunting the fringe. You don't whatever really want to 1488 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,760 Speaker 1: be in the midst of the pot. You want to 1489 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,200 Speaker 1: be in all the chast that goes on. It's even 1490 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,479 Speaker 1: though they're traveling like a main trail. Just think all 1491 01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,680 Speaker 1: of the interactions and the walking off to the right 1492 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,599 Speaker 1: as rail and the left the trail on the bullshits 1493 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,360 Speaker 1: it goes on. You want to kind of be on 1494 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,519 Speaker 1: a on the fringe of that where you can get 1495 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,800 Speaker 1: the job done but not not really mess it up, 1496 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:13,120 Speaker 1: you know. Um, Like, I had a uh, some guys 1497 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:14,760 Speaker 1: that told about a good spot once and there was 1498 01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,439 Speaker 1: like three trails that branched off and they were sitting 1499 01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,240 Speaker 1: in the in the middle trail. They set up on him, like, 1500 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,800 Speaker 1: what the frick are you doing? There's there's never gonna 1501 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,840 Speaker 1: be a scenario that that's gonna be good. There's gonna 1502 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,880 Speaker 1: be something down when you off the side. Every time 1503 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,120 Speaker 1: get off the side, way off the side of one 1504 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,599 Speaker 1: or three, and the ones that are on the fire 1505 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,479 Speaker 1: trail you you don't get. But everything coming through a 1506 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,760 Speaker 1: trail one and two you get. And then the opposite 1507 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you go on the other side and 1508 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,040 Speaker 1: you hunt it, you're parking a fricki permanence stand the 1509 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,040 Speaker 1: middle of that. You just probably ruined that spot for 1510 01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,400 Speaker 1: antibody else for the future. Um, you know, it doesn't 1511 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,200 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. So I think allot of 1512 01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,160 Speaker 1: it's this common sense with yeah, well, it's easy to 1513 01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,599 Speaker 1: get stuck in overthinking these things sometimes and and yeah, 1514 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,759 Speaker 1: you just gotta focused on the basics and that'll usually 1515 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,639 Speaker 1: do it for you. You you mentioned the funnel thing. 1516 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,360 Speaker 1: I want to dive a little bit more into that. 1517 01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,160 Speaker 1: You said that you feel like sometimes he's deer feel 1518 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,800 Speaker 1: uncomfortable being in these funnels. I just I don't know, 1519 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,680 Speaker 1: I just never really liked so is there So if 1520 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,080 Speaker 1: that's the case, then my question is is there any 1521 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,120 Speaker 1: type of funnel that you do still like to hunt? 1522 01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 1: Is there something I like him? But I don't sit 1523 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,719 Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of that. I'm off where 1524 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,960 Speaker 1: it widens out and the opportunity is. So let's say 1525 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,040 Speaker 1: you get an opportunity at the deer before it gets 1526 01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,760 Speaker 1: to be unfocused, or you get the opportunity at the 1527 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,760 Speaker 1: deer after he's made it through the Leary's own and 1528 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,120 Speaker 1: he thinks he's home free, so you're kind of again 1529 01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,640 Speaker 1: on a fringe instead a right smack dab in the 1530 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,960 Speaker 1: middle of Tell's gate, you know, just so, not at 1531 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,519 Speaker 1: the narrowest point, more at the top of the kind 1532 01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,800 Speaker 1: of situation. And you'll notice someone in them dear. You know, 1533 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,439 Speaker 1: they crawl up on some goofy I ship that you 1534 01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,519 Speaker 1: you know, they take it wide or they take it 1535 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:16,040 Speaker 1: so um, but it's so Yeah. It's interesting how sometimes 1536 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,040 Speaker 1: you find the sweet spot the wind's right and everything 1537 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,960 Speaker 1: it's in right area, and it's just just like taking 1538 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,599 Speaker 1: cane from a baby. And other spots they are spot 1539 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,800 Speaker 1: they're just um, not honible, and you really can't learn 1540 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,559 Speaker 1: a lot of them until you get in there, and you, 1541 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,200 Speaker 1: especially on a new set, you do all education you 1542 01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,320 Speaker 1: can and what you've known about thermals and about wind 1543 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,280 Speaker 1: direction and everything, and it almost it takes a sit 1544 01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,760 Speaker 1: to learn. I mean, I've said it and I thought, man, 1545 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:44,439 Speaker 1: it should work, and it's like, man, there's just no 1546 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,120 Speaker 1: way you can ever get away with nothing here. It's 1547 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,840 Speaker 1: I love to be here. I'd love to park it 1548 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,920 Speaker 1: here and have a permanent here, but UM's just not 1549 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,560 Speaker 1: in the cards, you know. That's that's gotta takes some 1550 01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,280 Speaker 1: discipline though, to inexperience, of course, but to be in 1551 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,519 Speaker 1: a spot that looks great and feels great, but then 1552 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,320 Speaker 1: you see, oh, ship, it's not It's not what I 1553 01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,599 Speaker 1: was hoping it would be. A lot of people would 1554 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,400 Speaker 1: just stick with it and think, well, maybe I've just 1555 01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,360 Speaker 1: gotten lucky. Maybe it'll be better next time. So that's 1556 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,120 Speaker 1: set the other day for the scrape. That's right in 1557 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,559 Speaker 1: the right in the bottom. So and this is so here, 1558 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,000 Speaker 1: just thick of this. You're you're in a colosseum and 1559 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,599 Speaker 1: you're in the bottom of it, and all the deer 1560 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,639 Speaker 1: are better than a rim. I mean, that's some crazy 1561 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,040 Speaker 1: ship to be watching. You go to your ship. So 1562 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,479 Speaker 1: I take the creet bottom and I take the lay 1563 01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,800 Speaker 1: at the land, and there I get gets set and 1564 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 1: I know what the wind does. No matter what the 1565 01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,599 Speaker 1: wind does direction wise, it doesn't matter when it gets 1566 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,880 Speaker 1: into these draws, even though it might be a north 1567 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,400 Speaker 1: If it hits the draw that's running a little bit 1568 01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,280 Speaker 1: one direction, and the winds coming down the draw. So 1569 01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,599 Speaker 1: I got a flank trail that's gonna be my bad trail. 1570 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,479 Speaker 1: That's gonna if something comes up. I'm screwed with the wind. 1571 01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,240 Speaker 1: But I see there's another big valley off to the left, 1572 01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:57,960 Speaker 1: and I can't even see what my wind bottle. But 1573 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,519 Speaker 1: I know from experience there's an to be a flow 1574 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,880 Speaker 1: of air coming down that draw, and the wind coming 1575 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,040 Speaker 1: down the draw to my right, it's gonna hit that 1576 01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,479 Speaker 1: flow of air and lo and behold, I had the 1577 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,360 Speaker 1: one buck that I got all the video on working 1578 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,040 Speaker 1: the scrape come down that and I'm like, the sun 1579 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,479 Speaker 1: of a bitch is gonna you know, is he gonna 1580 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,120 Speaker 1: get me? And he did not have a fricking clue, 1581 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 1: and the wind was going right right at him, but 1582 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,679 Speaker 1: I think it was hitting that that wall of win directually. 1583 01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,840 Speaker 1: I worked perfect. And then I knew the wind was 1584 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,160 Speaker 1: gonna die down and I'm on a creek edge where 1585 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm on the ledge of it and all the therminals 1586 01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:35,960 Speaker 1: are going to just fall into the creek bottom and 1587 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,479 Speaker 1: flow away, And I mean I could have killed the 1588 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,320 Speaker 1: deer um and everything worked out perfect. So now I 1589 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,679 Speaker 1: know a spot that's hot. It's a red hot spot. 1590 01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,280 Speaker 1: If a big deer is there next year, it will 1591 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,920 Speaker 1: be a good spot. And I have a tree I 1592 01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,240 Speaker 1: know that works for a certain wind northeast, and I'm goals. 1593 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,840 Speaker 1: You know, I might go down there on the northwest 1594 01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,800 Speaker 1: and something might be a little different. Um. So it's 1595 01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,760 Speaker 1: it's you know that kind of your's a trial and 1596 01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,639 Speaker 1: error that you learn stuff like that. So he's speaking 1597 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,479 Speaker 1: the thermal and weird little wind things like that. But 1598 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned how your thermals would drove to the creek 1599 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,680 Speaker 1: and then just follow the creek out. Um, do you 1600 01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,400 Speaker 1: see that happening just in a location like where you 1601 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,519 Speaker 1: were at there, where you're in the bottom of a 1602 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,920 Speaker 1: big you know draw or will that even happen in 1603 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,559 Speaker 1: flat country? If I'm in flat country and I'm next 1604 01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,720 Speaker 1: to a creek in the evening, life fades. So if 1605 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,519 Speaker 1: if the creeks running cricks, obviously it's it's gotta be 1606 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,200 Speaker 1: running there, so I gotta be some great to it 1607 01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,200 Speaker 1: for it to be running downhill. So in a perfect 1608 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,200 Speaker 1: scenario on a creek setting, you want to be on 1609 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,759 Speaker 1: the down current side because that's where let's say everything 1610 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,519 Speaker 1: goes just dead com for your setup. If you're up 1611 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:51,679 Speaker 1: that creek, your sense gonna slowly fall to the ground, 1612 01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,720 Speaker 1: and it's gonna slowly fall the direction that the water 1613 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:59,560 Speaker 1: is running. So uh. In the thermals, it's a powerful 1614 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 1: blob of air that just moves a little bit of 1615 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,800 Speaker 1: a gust here, a little bit of a gust there. 1616 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't do shipped to that massive movement of air 1617 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,840 Speaker 1: moving that way. So you're any and I hunt these 1618 01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,720 Speaker 1: field edges that are all everything is coming down no 1619 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,640 Speaker 1: matter what happens. I can't get on the opposite of 1620 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,280 Speaker 1: the field because even when the wind is right for 1621 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:23,559 Speaker 1: that towards dusk, it's all heading across the field. So 1622 01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,920 Speaker 1: now I'm sitting on the opposite side where you think 1623 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,160 Speaker 1: the wind was wrong, and I'm playing that thermal against 1624 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,120 Speaker 1: the wind and the thermals beating the ship out the wind, 1625 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,479 Speaker 1: and I'm getting a with murder. Nobody in the right 1626 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:36,080 Speaker 1: mind is gonna think I'm going to sitting on that 1627 01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,160 Speaker 1: side right now because the winds blowing into the field. 1628 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,000 Speaker 1: It's really not the wind is blowing through the field, 1629 01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,040 Speaker 1: but the massive air is going the opposite way, and 1630 01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,599 Speaker 1: as it bumps and it grabs that, it slowly goes 1631 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,840 Speaker 1: the right. Then again, did not get I've been getting 1632 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,000 Speaker 1: really good at they should for the last Year's almost 1633 01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,840 Speaker 1: surprising myself sometimes with what if you can get them 1634 01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:04,200 Speaker 1: spots figured out for it win direction of thermal and stuff. 1635 01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,439 Speaker 1: You're gold man, you can. You don't need anything else, 1636 01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,080 Speaker 1: but just don't let any of that air mass hit 1637 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,040 Speaker 1: them there, and you're you should be good to go. 1638 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,040 Speaker 1: And that just comes with experience probably or keep traling error. 1639 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,559 Speaker 1: And I've had spots that you go three ft higher 1640 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,479 Speaker 1: in a tree stand and the winds going in opposite 1641 01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:28,559 Speaker 1: direction you go a little bit lower. Um it's it's 1642 01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't select set some engineers, it's about the errors 1643 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,160 Speaker 1: to do what it's gonna do, and it's you don't 1644 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:35,960 Speaker 1: know what the hell is hitting on the way through 1645 01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:41,240 Speaker 1: all those um draws and rocks and timber and stuff. 1646 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,120 Speaker 1: So some trial and error. But yeah, I guess that's 1647 01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,040 Speaker 1: all you can do is get out there, try things, 1648 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,040 Speaker 1: learn from learn from it, and keep trying. So to 1649 01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:53,960 Speaker 1: think about it, always think of this, where would I 1650 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,719 Speaker 1: want my cent to go? In a perfect scenario, where 1651 01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,599 Speaker 1: would I like the scent to go? The other night, 1652 01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,840 Speaker 1: I want I'd love this scent just so I come 1653 01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,320 Speaker 1: off the flat and I'm a little bit of a 1654 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,160 Speaker 1: hill toward the creek, so my sense starts settling. It's 1655 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,559 Speaker 1: not settling on the flat, it's it's on that angle 1656 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,320 Speaker 1: going down, and I want that scent just to slowly 1657 01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:20,080 Speaker 1: pour down to the creek and then just flow that 1658 01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,880 Speaker 1: direction with all the other air masks that's going there. 1659 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,360 Speaker 1: And it just it worked out perfect that's exactly what 1660 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,479 Speaker 1: it what it did once once the wind stopped blowing, 1661 01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,160 Speaker 1: and then then thermals all tooked over. Um. It was 1662 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,360 Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's an excellent spot. Now now 1663 01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,720 Speaker 1: the morning hunt will be a whole another animal. You know, 1664 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,960 Speaker 1: it's um. Now it's a totally different deal there. So 1665 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,160 Speaker 1: uh again, I'd have to probably hunt that, and I 1666 01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,080 Speaker 1: probably set up different note on the more. Anyhow, I 1667 01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,120 Speaker 1: would get up on a rim and get up a 1668 01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:53,040 Speaker 1: little higher what it's carrying out. So so let's jump 1669 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,160 Speaker 1: a little bit back from the wind thing and back 1670 01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:00,840 Speaker 1: to just standard hunting the rut in November. We we we 1671 01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,400 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about what you're thinking when food sources. 1672 01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,000 Speaker 1: We talked a little about what you're thinking about for 1673 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,599 Speaker 1: those morning hunts, pinch points, um, We've talked some about 1674 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,000 Speaker 1: betting areas. Does this change at all as the month 1675 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,639 Speaker 1: of November progresses? Is there something different you're doing mid 1676 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:20,719 Speaker 1: November versus the very first few days versus the last week. Yeah. 1677 01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,679 Speaker 1: So let's say the ruts pretty much cooked. A lot 1678 01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,600 Speaker 1: of those are bread and then you have these I 1679 01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,439 Speaker 1: think traditionally a big run hunters say that that's really 1680 01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,040 Speaker 1: your chance that your biggest deer that they'll these big 1681 01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,639 Speaker 1: bucks are all welling up and there they're gonna go start. 1682 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,639 Speaker 1: Now they're gonna travel big, vast amounts of distance looking 1683 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:44,760 Speaker 1: for sub scribblers that they can get. Um. Now, you 1684 01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,160 Speaker 1: got a deer that's coming through a property that's not 1685 01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,800 Speaker 1: on all the little intricate as raw as this, where 1686 01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,960 Speaker 1: that we got big big ravines or big crick bottoms 1687 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,599 Speaker 1: that come up with with the cliffs on both sides. 1688 01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,040 Speaker 1: For that week, you'll get deer that coming from who 1689 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,920 Speaker 1: knows where two miles away, and they'll just come and 1690 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,840 Speaker 1: they'll run that hole. There's actually an old logging road 1691 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,200 Speaker 1: that goes up the whole thing, and they just get 1692 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,280 Speaker 1: on that thing and they run through the whole freaking properly, 1693 01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:19,800 Speaker 1: just traveling looking for some little you know, stragger going 1694 01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,599 Speaker 1: to heat or whatever. So that's a that's a big 1695 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,479 Speaker 1: travel um. So you'll set her stands for some of 1696 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,639 Speaker 1: the intricate action coming off of those, but you'll include 1697 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,719 Speaker 1: that travel quarter toward which is normally not as great 1698 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,559 Speaker 1: in your in your package. I mean, maybe you'll slide 1699 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,280 Speaker 1: your standover so you get a little of that and 1700 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,479 Speaker 1: you get the normal movement from side to side or um. 1701 01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,640 Speaker 1: Are you a spot hog or do you like to 1702 01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,599 Speaker 1: sit one solid trail and just get the wind good 1703 01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,439 Speaker 1: for that and hunt that wound piece or you try 1704 01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:58,720 Speaker 1: and hog a bunch of three or four trails. Yeah, 1705 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,160 Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting question. That's something I've been 1706 01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,080 Speaker 1: kind of changing on. I used to I used to 1707 01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,519 Speaker 1: try to be trying to get as many things going 1708 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,519 Speaker 1: firm as possible, but recently I've tried to switch more 1709 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,840 Speaker 1: towards what do I think is the absolute most likely 1710 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:15,160 Speaker 1: option and then just be perfect for that one best option. 1711 01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,559 Speaker 1: What do you think? It is very tough to manage 1712 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,080 Speaker 1: it all, and as I mentioned, the worst the worst 1713 01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,800 Speaker 1: spot in the world is where you freaking you can't 1714 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,479 Speaker 1: watch everything out in front of you. There could be 1715 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,160 Speaker 1: some ship behind the right or left or that is 1716 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:34,479 Speaker 1: an ugly situation. And I'd like to say that I 1717 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,080 Speaker 1: could I can handle those and manage them, but it's uh, 1718 01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,800 Speaker 1: isn't it nice to just be down When I ought 1719 01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,160 Speaker 1: to sell of a beat the ship spot where you're 1720 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,080 Speaker 1: just focused and you can sit tight and manage. So 1721 01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,639 Speaker 1: there's a little both for that UM going on. I'm 1722 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,360 Speaker 1: curious how many other guys are I like to be 1723 01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,920 Speaker 1: the spot hog. She'd like them the more I'm a 1724 01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,559 Speaker 1: spot hog, which I still kind like to get as 1725 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,840 Speaker 1: much trampling through, but I don't get as done as 1726 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,040 Speaker 1: much as if you're just a set shot. You know, 1727 01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,599 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, here it comes, twenty of your yards 1728 01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,200 Speaker 1: will be twenty yards shot coming through when it's perfect, 1729 01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, no scenarios and um, yeah, got nice to 1730 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:21,360 Speaker 1: have that role to but yeah, yeah, which which you know, 1731 01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,519 Speaker 1: when it comes to betting area is another rut thing 1732 01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,599 Speaker 1: that we've briefly touched on. This kind of goes back 1733 01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,560 Speaker 1: to what we talked about a little earlier when it 1734 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,320 Speaker 1: comes to do you want to be right in the 1735 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,760 Speaker 1: middle of them or on the fringes? Yeah, right in 1736 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,840 Speaker 1: the middle would be where the most activity is. There's 1737 01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,000 Speaker 1: stuff coming from all over the place. But if you 1738 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,519 Speaker 1: if you can't, if you can't hunt it without deer 1739 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,000 Speaker 1: know when you're there, then it's worthless. So and again, 1740 01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, again, a big buckles in there and starts 1741 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,720 Speaker 1: shaking the dose around. Just I don't know if you 1742 01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,280 Speaker 1: can look at it and the snow sometimes or just 1743 01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,760 Speaker 1: watch it's like they cover every freaking inch that whole 1744 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,000 Speaker 1: area anyhow, So it's at some point in time they're 1745 01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,160 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get within range where you can shoot them. 1746 01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,240 Speaker 1: So let them cut their own throp by. You know, 1747 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,760 Speaker 1: how are you possibly going to sit in the middle 1748 01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,519 Speaker 1: of that with them? Do you're running up, down, all 1749 01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,640 Speaker 1: around backwards? You know? And what a damn dole is 1750 01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,200 Speaker 1: gonna catch her or gonna go this stor um? Yeah, 1751 01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,679 Speaker 1: then the jig's up and I would sit. I would 1752 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:21,160 Speaker 1: sit more of that that fringe it out hunt, the hunt, 1753 01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:25,080 Speaker 1: the down wind fringe. Right? Yeah? Is there is there 1754 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,360 Speaker 1: anything else andre when it comes to the rut that 1755 01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,800 Speaker 1: you're doing that that has helped you. That's that's different 1756 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,920 Speaker 1: than most folks or that you that you kind of 1757 01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,640 Speaker 1: view as your secret sauce. And again, I know this 1758 01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,880 Speaker 1: isn't your favorite time, but I know you've also killed 1759 01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:44,000 Speaker 1: a lot of slammers during November. Um anything any other 1760 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,160 Speaker 1: tricks up your sleeve that we haven't touched on. Uh No, 1761 01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,680 Speaker 1: it's just basically at that time, you're even you know, 1762 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,280 Speaker 1: being out there and being the most Um, I know 1763 01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:58,639 Speaker 1: that a lot of slammers is h I almost didn't 1764 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,840 Speaker 1: get or didn't get the because I just just the 1765 01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,479 Speaker 1: guy who can't sit late enough. And I do know 1766 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,720 Speaker 1: that I get down and I leave some of the 1767 01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,000 Speaker 1: best hunting on the table. But it's just just the 1768 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,479 Speaker 1: way I've been hunting all my life, and it's it's 1769 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of hard to change. I know, when I hunted Illinois, 1770 01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,880 Speaker 1: I had never got out there early enough. I always 1771 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:22,920 Speaker 1: got out there when I don't know how many times 1772 01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,040 Speaker 1: I come to my stand there's a monster standing right 1773 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,760 Speaker 1: under it was on its way through that just just 1774 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,640 Speaker 1: late to the dance, you know. So um, some of 1775 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,519 Speaker 1: those spots you almost gotta be there for your evening 1776 01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,760 Speaker 1: hunt at like noon, you get in a good setting. 1777 01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,840 Speaker 1: I just just not accustomed to that, you know, So, 1778 01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,160 Speaker 1: so put your time in right. So it's it's yeah, 1779 01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,360 Speaker 1: you gotta put so most guys are, I think are. 1780 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:50,280 Speaker 1: But again, you can get caught up into spending too 1781 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,840 Speaker 1: much time and not being in the right spot, which 1782 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,880 Speaker 1: is I think a bigger tragedy than um not being 1783 01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,000 Speaker 1: in there early enough. You know, so you're you're burned 1784 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,320 Speaker 1: in a spot just you know, you're you're putting hours 1785 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,680 Speaker 1: in it somewhere does not not the hot sign or 1786 01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,800 Speaker 1: um you know, or just over the hill. If you 1787 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:12,240 Speaker 1: looked around a little bit to you definitely pick that spot, 1788 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a 1789 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,240 Speaker 1: tricky thing with a rut in, especially if you're hunting 1790 01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:20,800 Speaker 1: a travel corridor, a pinch point type area where maybe 1791 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,200 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of maybe it's not high deer density, 1792 01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,639 Speaker 1: but you know that eventually a good one should come through. 1793 01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,200 Speaker 1: That's something I've struggled in certain places. You're not going 1794 01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,280 Speaker 1: to see a lot of deer. But half you says, 1795 01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,920 Speaker 1: all right, I should move because I'm not seeing much 1796 01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,360 Speaker 1: at all. The other half of me says, well, you know, 1797 01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,799 Speaker 1: if you you could sit this thing three days straight 1798 01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,840 Speaker 1: and the buck you're after might not be in the 1799 01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,000 Speaker 1: area at all, but on day three he will come 1800 01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,320 Speaker 1: through if you just stick it out. And that's that's 1801 01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,400 Speaker 1: a tough one to know if you're wasting your time 1802 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,800 Speaker 1: or biding your time. Um, and at that time of year, 1803 01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:58,679 Speaker 1: like you said, that's it's it could happen. I made 1804 01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,080 Speaker 1: us and now is a million times that I could 1805 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:03,800 Speaker 1: sit on the strict and telephone poll out here in 1806 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,840 Speaker 1: the road during a rug and if I sat there 1807 01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,479 Speaker 1: long enough, I could shoot a good deer I actualting 1808 01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,120 Speaker 1: off my porch, probably during a rug, but I just 1809 01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:11,760 Speaker 1: don't know if I got to wear it all to 1810 01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:17,040 Speaker 1: climb up a spot, that's just not I'm not feeling it, 1811 01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:22,559 Speaker 1: you know. And just wait for that. I guess That's 1812 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I'm not a very lucky guy, 1813 01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,200 Speaker 1: so I like to make my own luck, and just 1814 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,240 Speaker 1: the roll advice on that, it's just not, you know. 1815 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:30,680 Speaker 1: And then for it's the deer that I don't know, 1816 01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,320 Speaker 1: it's it doesn't make a lot of sense for me. 1817 01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,559 Speaker 1: So I still rather go, you know, why not get down, 1818 01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:37,800 Speaker 1: run a round during a run. You can wear a 1819 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,680 Speaker 1: murder during a rug. You're not messing anything up, you 1820 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,639 Speaker 1: know where you got a little little touchure in October 1821 01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:47,080 Speaker 1: and that. So yeah, and and so tell me just 1822 01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more. Let's wrap it up with this, 1823 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,960 Speaker 1: because this is something that I used to be me 1824 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,599 Speaker 1: personally a lot of guys, especially in higher pressure areas 1825 01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,960 Speaker 1: where there's more hunters. Um, I used to be all 1826 01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:01,320 Speaker 1: year round, just obsessed where making sure no deer ever 1827 01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,280 Speaker 1: knows I'm there, and really beating myself up if if 1828 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,760 Speaker 1: a deer did win to me or something went wrong. Um, 1829 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,080 Speaker 1: even during the run. But it seems like sometimes we 1830 01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,280 Speaker 1: can get away with being a little more aggressive or 1831 01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,760 Speaker 1: getting away with a few bumps here there during November because, 1832 01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,200 Speaker 1: like you just said, their mind is elsewhere. UM, would 1833 01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,479 Speaker 1: you agree with that? You're talking about this scenario of 1834 01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:24,200 Speaker 1: the day you hunt. But if you think that a 1835 01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,439 Speaker 1: deer that when you go to a stand and you 1836 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,800 Speaker 1: hunt it and you leave it and you got away 1837 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:32,519 Speaker 1: with it that night, if you think them deer in 1838 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,920 Speaker 1: the middle of the night and your travels don't know 1839 01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,280 Speaker 1: that something that's been there, I haven't crossed it, you're 1840 01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:42,519 Speaker 1: always going to have UM. So in all the chaos 1841 01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,840 Speaker 1: of it, um, you know, I call it the Virgin said, 1842 01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,000 Speaker 1: you can mess everything up, and then in that area 1843 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,840 Speaker 1: there is a spot that you didn't mess up where 1844 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,120 Speaker 1: the sign all reads good. And you you work at 1845 01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,719 Speaker 1: that point and you hunt that spot. You take a shot. 1846 01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,600 Speaker 1: It's your best shot, it's your first time in. You 1847 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,320 Speaker 1: read sign, it's red hot. You can't get any better 1848 01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,679 Speaker 1: than that. Then you get down and go find another 1849 01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,439 Speaker 1: spot like that the next day, or another spot the 1850 01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,880 Speaker 1: next day, or you know, and you keep on the 1851 01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,800 Speaker 1: moving it. You know, UM, you have these spots that 1852 01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,680 Speaker 1: are just prime and you get down and you go 1853 01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,439 Speaker 1: to the next one. That's I mean, I think we 1854 01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:23,519 Speaker 1: got a huntred hundred sets on this property that are all, 1855 01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, in good spots if something were to be there, 1856 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,840 Speaker 1: and maybe thirty of them are really active good areas 1857 01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,559 Speaker 1: yet to this day that haven't changed. But um, still 1858 01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,040 Speaker 1: wonder one of those good spots, you know. Yeah, I 1859 01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,880 Speaker 1: mean them those looked up at me. They knew something 1860 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,200 Speaker 1: was up on that tree. But I got the old 1861 01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,519 Speaker 1: head massed down and just played played it good and 1862 01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,080 Speaker 1: they didn't really get to win. And then they'll be 1863 01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,759 Speaker 1: back through there again. It's just one of those spots. 1864 01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,320 Speaker 1: I know. They just they just traveled through there and 1865 01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:55,720 Speaker 1: they just um, it's really good consistent spots. So um, 1866 01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,439 Speaker 1: some point being seek them out, hunt them down sometimes. 1867 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:03,040 Speaker 1: But if you're a the right place, um, it's you 1868 01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,320 Speaker 1: can get away with a little more if if you 1869 01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:06,840 Speaker 1: know you're the right place. Yeah, And like we go, 1870 01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,200 Speaker 1: I mentioned about this property in the middle of it, 1871 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,320 Speaker 1: I have to get it out of here, and I 1872 01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,680 Speaker 1: ain't walking, you know, walking three a mile and three 1873 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,439 Speaker 1: quarters back every freaking day in and out of there. 1874 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,320 Speaker 1: So these deer are accustomed to like the farmers, they're 1875 01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,840 Speaker 1: accustomed to them. Bikes ripping through there, they're accustomed to 1876 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,080 Speaker 1: sometimes if you're too careful with it. Now it's a 1877 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:29,360 Speaker 1: different scenario. You're going out there to hunt, and now 1878 01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,799 Speaker 1: it's not a norm to them to see the chaos. 1879 01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,720 Speaker 1: That might be a worse scenario than you know that 1880 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:38,720 Speaker 1: been bedding back in there and here and you drive 1881 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,479 Speaker 1: through on your bike, that you're out there again, that's 1882 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't I've never really I shouldn't say that. 1883 01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:48,560 Speaker 1: Years ago I probably felt a victim for that. But 1884 01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,240 Speaker 1: what all of scouting and the and the stuff that 1885 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,439 Speaker 1: I do is um that I've learned over the here 1886 01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,360 Speaker 1: is I just it does not bother me a bit 1887 01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:58,920 Speaker 1: too even jump a deer on the way in, or 1888 01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,960 Speaker 1: um jumped the deer I'm after on the way in, 1889 01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,120 Speaker 1: or or have him no one I'm hunting them. I 1890 01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:08,000 Speaker 1: just I just don't let it bother me. So just 1891 01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:12,800 Speaker 1: keep keep moving on him and a man, it's he's 1892 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,040 Speaker 1: only one way that you can avoid it is to 1893 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,600 Speaker 1: get the hell out of this property. Leave and a 1894 01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,320 Speaker 1: big deer is there ain't no way I'm getting out 1895 01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:21,920 Speaker 1: of the cell for this property. Leave and I own 1896 01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,400 Speaker 1: this property, I live here, and I'm staying too. So 1897 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,360 Speaker 1: so let's you know, let's do the dance. Let's play that, 1898 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,600 Speaker 1: play the game, and then so who comes down on 1899 01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,280 Speaker 1: the top? You know, yeah, there you go. Well, I 1900 01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:36,920 Speaker 1: guess if if there's any kind of theme to this conversation, 1901 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:41,040 Speaker 1: then it's probably go just like all of your hunting. 1902 01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,640 Speaker 1: It seems like really the moral of the story to 1903 01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,560 Speaker 1: killing bucks or in the rut for you is to 1904 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,320 Speaker 1: find them, hunt them down, and then put in enough time, 1905 01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:53,760 Speaker 1: keep on adjusting, and eventually good things can happen. It's 1906 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,120 Speaker 1: not rocket science. It's simply being smart and hunting hard 1907 01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,240 Speaker 1: and hunt where you're at. You gotta be you where 1908 01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,200 Speaker 1: they're at if you know they are what they are, 1909 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,320 Speaker 1: and if you're not, um, you might as well be 1910 01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,320 Speaker 1: a million miles away if you're you know, if you're 1911 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:12,280 Speaker 1: ten acres off. So um, alright, Andrea, let's hope some 1912 01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,439 Speaker 1: let's some slammer from like three miles away, it comes 1913 01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,720 Speaker 1: over and starts to running some bulls in here here, 1914 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,760 Speaker 1: and we'll be I'll be happy if I get a 1915 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:21,720 Speaker 1: glimpse of one. So I hope so, well, I know 1916 01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,360 Speaker 1: you want to get in the stands. So I want 1917 01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:24,559 Speaker 1: to I want to let you go so you can 1918 01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,439 Speaker 1: wrap up your other work and go find that slammer. 1919 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,200 Speaker 1: So Andrew, thank you for making the time to do 1920 01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,800 Speaker 1: this and and real quick before we do shut it down. 1921 01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,080 Speaker 1: Do you have any updates for folks as far as 1922 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:39,400 Speaker 1: anything with custom gear or YouTube or any other content 1923 01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:43,160 Speaker 1: you want folks to check out? Yeah, so check out 1924 01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,920 Speaker 1: a page Mobile Hunters United. Uh see what some of 1925 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,160 Speaker 1: the stories and guys are success stories. Um, you can 1926 01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:54,720 Speaker 1: learn learn a lot from that. After this week, we 1927 01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,559 Speaker 1: should have all orders fulfilled that are in the system, 1928 01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,880 Speaker 1: and we now should have a little stock for you 1929 01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,479 Speaker 1: to these items. And so if a guy gets the 1930 01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,800 Speaker 1: bug just before UM, so I guess we're on time. 1931 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,920 Speaker 1: When everybody for the rut. Now for the next it's 1932 01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,559 Speaker 1: what guys will be hunting. UM, you should be able 1933 01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:12,760 Speaker 1: to pick up just a bot every one of our 1934 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,519 Speaker 1: models here in the next. Um, we can have two weeks. 1935 01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,439 Speaker 1: We should have some stock. UM, so you can order 1936 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,839 Speaker 1: that and and let's sit it hard man send photos. 1937 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,479 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear the stories and and see some 1938 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:31,240 Speaker 1: of them photos too big and small, UM, so perfect 1939 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,400 Speaker 1: and let me know what Let me know what happens 1940 01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,599 Speaker 1: to you this next when you go in there. Now, yeah, 1941 01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:37,840 Speaker 1: I want to I want to get a call. All right, 1942 01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best to uh stick an arrow 1943 01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,439 Speaker 1: in midnight and I'll send you a picture. All right, 1944 01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,240 Speaker 1: sounds good, brother, all right? Thanks, get under all right 1945 01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,519 Speaker 1: by and that's a wrap. I hope you guys enjoyed 1946 01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,360 Speaker 1: this one. Like I mentioned the end of my introduction, 1947 01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,720 Speaker 1: good luck in the woods. Have a blast, pushed through 1948 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,679 Speaker 1: the tough times, grind it out, but ultimately, always remember 1949 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,519 Speaker 1: to have fun. This is what we've looked forward to 1950 01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,120 Speaker 1: all years. So don't get so stressed out, don't work 1951 01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,439 Speaker 1: so hard that it's not fun anymore. As well, you've 1952 01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:11,200 Speaker 1: got to balance those things. Enjoy yourself at the best 1953 01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,200 Speaker 1: hunting season in your life, and until next time, stay 1954 01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:42,880 Speaker 1: wired to hunt. H