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Speaker 4: My boyfriend is going on a vacation with his girl

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Speaker 4: Let's dive into this one. My boyfriend twenty nine Mail

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Speaker 4: wanted to go on a vacation this summer to his

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Speaker 4: mom's friend's house in Hawaii with me, twenty eight female,

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Speaker 4: and his two best friends twenty five male and twenty

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Speaker 4: nine female. We had been planning on this all spring,

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Speaker 4: and at some point twenty five male dropped out of

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Speaker 4: the trip, leaving just the three of us. For context,

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Speaker 4: my boyfriend and I have been going out since November

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Speaker 4: and it's been serious.

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Speaker 1: It's also been three months.

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Speaker 4: We had and still have been talking about moving in together.

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Speaker 2: No, stop, hey, hey, wake up, stop it it's been

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Speaker 2: three months.

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Speaker 5: But he has a place in Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: Also, it says we've been dating for three months. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't say we've been official for three months. So have

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Speaker 2: you only been dating for three months?

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Speaker 1: Woo?

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Speaker 4: All valid questions he has said, and I agree that

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Speaker 4: this is a long term situation.

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Speaker 1: Can't just say that.

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Speaker 2: You can't just be like, well, we're probably gonna be

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Speaker 2: dating forever.

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Speaker 1: That's what everyone thinks.

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Speaker 4: He says, we're in it for good. Well, where's the ring?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is insane.

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Speaker 4: In early June, once twenty five male unexpectedly dropped out

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Speaker 4: of the trip, twenty nine female called my boyfriend and

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Speaker 4: told him that now that it was just three of us.

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Speaker 4: She didn't feel comfortable with me, huh going on the trip. Huh,

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Speaker 4: wake up simply because she didn't know me that well

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Speaker 4: and she didn't want to be a third wheel. That's

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Speaker 4: when you uninvite herself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, her, Yeah, and then she goes, you know what, like, sorry,

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Speaker 2: I feel like we should just postpone.

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Speaker 5: Or very easily, Oh, this is your new girlfriend for

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Speaker 5: the long.

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Speaker 4: Term, let me meet her.

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Speaker 5: She sounds very cool.

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Speaker 6: This could be a fun trip for the three of us,

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Speaker 6: if that's okay with you two TB.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would want to go on

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Speaker 2: I don't really know. I would probably just say, can

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Speaker 2: we postpone this until other guy friend can make it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's two there's like, there's two options here. Either

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Speaker 6: you grit your teeth and your your third wheeling and

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Speaker 6: you figure yourself out in Hawaii, or two you don't go.

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Speaker 5: You just postpone it. Yeah, there's three options, three big options, right.

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Speaker 1: Three option just don't go.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine being like, yeah, your girlfriend can't come,

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Speaker 4: she can't come anymore on the trip to Hawaii. And

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Speaker 5: I'm Dakota, Sophia, I'm key On.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna read this story and we're gonna have our thoughts,

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Speaker 4: and you're gonna have your thoughts, and we're gonna say

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Speaker 4: ours out loud, and you can write them in the comments,

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Speaker 4: your thoughts. So she said that if I were to go,

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Speaker 4: she wouldn't go on the trip.

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Speaker 1: There we go, that's the answer.

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Speaker 4: Without telling me that this was happening, they changed the

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Speaker 4: and they changed the location to a beach in Costa Rica.

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Speaker 2: Why and why? Why? And also why?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, though, because now you probably won't move in

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think you had just his

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Speaker 4: trying to figure out when to ask for time off

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Speaker 4: this summer and hadn't heard news about the plans, so

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Speaker 4: I asked my boyfriend which week in August I should

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Speaker 4: be setting aside for the Hawaii trip. He let me

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Speaker 4: know that actually he had talked to his friend and

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Speaker 4: that she didn't want to go if I were going,

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Speaker 4: So he was going to go alone with her to

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Speaker 5: So much for the long term, right and you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty short term.

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Speaker 4: You can make the decision.

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Speaker 1: Right there.

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Speaker 6: You go.

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Speaker 4: That's great for you. Don't call me when you get back.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 2: He said that we.

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Speaker 4: Could go another week some other time, maybe to Mexico

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Speaker 4: City or something. I was upset and tried to talk

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Speaker 4: since this wasn't a case of a separate trip being

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Speaker 4: set up ahead of time. This was a case of

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Speaker 4: me being invited and then uninvited from a week long

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Speaker 4: tropical vacation with a girlfriend of his who I had

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Speaker 4: never met before. We eventually decided to do a trip

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Speaker 4: as some sort of compensation.

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Speaker 1: I also asked to.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, meet her so that I could feel

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Speaker 4: more comfortable with the trip they're doing by themselves without.

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Speaker 1: In their little bikinis on the beach.

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Speaker 4: We spent the fourth of July going to see her

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Speaker 2: Her boyfriend's cool with.

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Speaker 5: This, Her boyfriend's just your boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, her boyfriend is just yeah, it's the same person.

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Speaker 4: Although it was nice to put a face to a name,

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Speaker 4: it was ultimately a very cold trip and she was

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Speaker 4: My boyfriend remarked on how unfriendly she was to both

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Speaker 6: I wonder why.

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Speaker 4: I went out of my way to try to get

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Speaker 4: and usually this would be easy. But it didn't really click.

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Speaker 4: Even after several days, they were somewhat cold to each

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Speaker 4: something has happened. I wonder why, Maybe about some kind.

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Speaker 5: Of trip to Costa Rica.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they bickered a little bit about their future and

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Speaker 4: his own three week trip without her that was scheduled

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Speaker 4: for the same time as their trip. This had been

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Speaker 5: Oh, there we go.

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Speaker 4: This had been my effort to feel better about the trip,

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Speaker 4: So I told my boyfriend that I still didn't feel

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Speaker 4: me feel better about the trip. On a visit to

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Speaker 4: all shocked that he would have arranged it this way. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because they are adults with functioning brains.

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Speaker 1: You would think you would think that, but they're not.

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Speaker 4: Jeez, Louise. They let me know that they would have

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Speaker 4: been furious if they were in my position, which triggered

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Speaker 4: better and more secure about them going together without me.

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Speaker 1: There is no strategy to fix that.

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Speaker 4: Do what are we talking about? The strategy was to

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Speaker 4: have never even considered that to be an option, because

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Speaker 4: it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: There is literally zero ways to make that okay.

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Speaker 4: He said that he would never do this kind of

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Speaker 4: since this is kind of a once in a lifetime

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Speaker 5: Is he still going through with it?

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Speaker 2: I'll do it, but I won't to ever do it again.

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Speaker 5: I'll show you after this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, promise, You're my priority for sure, one hundred. Right

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Speaker 2: after this trip with this other girl, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Just please please. I told you we're in it for

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Speaker 4: the long haul. There's a long situation right after this.

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Speaker 4: He kind of offered to not go on the trip,

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Speaker 4: of the trip, he bought me a bag of peanut

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Speaker 5: Wow, that's the real thing.

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Speaker 4: No, the thing is is even if like there is

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Speaker 4: pure concept of like, well, no, if it's like well

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Speaker 4: i've only known you for three months, I've known her forever,

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Speaker 4: it's like, okay, then let's just not do Let's not

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Speaker 4: do this, because that's crazy for you to be like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna move in and oh, we're in it for

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Speaker 4: the long haul. But can't even probably ties you three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: It's just tell me what I need to do other

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Speaker 2: And also the audacity to not even tell you that

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Speaker 2: this was happening. That's the thing that gets me. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe he does know this girl you know really well

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Speaker 2: and they've been friends way longer than you've been together,

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Speaker 2: but he couldn't even be like adult enough to tell

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Speaker 4: I've made the decision without your input what soever.

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Speaker 5: This man was like, no, babe, just tell me what

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Speaker 6: Like I don't know what you want, I'll do it, stalling,

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Speaker 6: stalling this, this, this line works for another two weeks.

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Speaker 4: I feel so disregarded and disrespected in this situation. I

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Speaker 4: want to break up with him, do that, but I

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Speaker 2: It's not been really good.

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Speaker 4: It's only been three months. This is like a thing

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Speaker 4: that happens where you go, Ah, it's not great. Is

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Speaker 4: it gotta go?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: We have an update. I was really upset the day

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Speaker 5: Did he not believe you?

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Speaker 1: He was like, wait, you were serious? About that.

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Speaker 4: My theory is that this guy grew up rich or something, yeah,

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Speaker 2: No one's ever made me pay for anything before.

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Speaker 4: I was working all day, but also I still didn't

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Speaker 4: It's a voicecamps ninety day fiance, dude, what are you

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Speaker 4: He left me a voicemail that was really angry, great

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Speaker 4: He continued that he wanted me to tell him the

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Speaker 4: and you don't get to decide that I can't. Your

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Speaker 4: Don't call me again.

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Speaker 5: How does he think relationships work?

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Speaker 6: He's like, if you said that and I said you can't,

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Speaker 4: Obviously he's got that mega entitlement. It just oozes life.

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Speaker 2: He send him an email, You just say, dear idiot,

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Speaker 4: He wrote me back an apologetic email in which he

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Speaker 2: He's like, no, your babe, you would be fine eventually.

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Speaker 1: I know you.

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Speaker 2: For the three months that we've been together, I know you,

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Speaker 2: and you would have been fine with it. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking on your behalf. You don't You're not breaking

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Speaker 2: out with me. And also you're fine.

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Speaker 4: With this this guy. This guy's one of a kind.

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Speaker 2: They say that you have to speak things aloud so

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Speaker 4: Check out this genius. He said that the only thing

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Speaker 7: If you had if everyone just had the same perspectives me,

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Speaker 4: He agreed and apologized for me. It ended on a

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Speaker 4: pretty amicable note. But this style of relationship really doesn't

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Speaker 2: The style of bad This the bad style.

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Speaker 4: The style of relationship where your boyfriend sucks goes on

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Speaker 4: vacation without you after planning it for months. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I got that free style eoo.

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Speaker 4: And I don't feel like his responses to me really

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Speaker 4: at this point. We got comments to finish this story off.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, hey, heesus tuna fish. It's been a while.

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Speaker 4: Did X end up with his best friend? Any recent updates?

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Speaker 4: Have you found love?

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Speaker 2: Hope?

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Speaker 4: He says, we do not keep up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's whycked bear.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's in Copenhagen thinking about his lost love.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not sure, but I don't think he did

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Speaker 4: nothing new to report. Another reply was the trip originally

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Speaker 4: he planned it.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: Reply well, what did the best friend's boyfriends say about

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Speaker 4: the trip? Hope? He says, I don't keep up with

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 4: You are asking all wrong person.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go find him out. But he's on a ship.

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Speaker 4: See what I've done, I've moved on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, woohooo, good job Opie or Kadia boo. We

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Speaker 4: And that's the end of this story.

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Speaker 5: Let's head to the next one.

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Speaker 8: My school demanded a voluntary project, but I refused every

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Speaker 5: Isn't that being involuntary?

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Speaker 8: Back in twenty thirteen, I was a senior at a

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Speaker 8: much detail about the why, but it was my decision

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Speaker 2: This comes up later.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to the Bay.

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Speaker 1: Shut up the Bie.

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Speaker 8: By the way, this comes from brand Dilio, and if

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Speaker 8: you want to submit your own stories, go to the

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Speaker 8: r slash Okay story time subreddit. I'm Savannah, I'm Keon,

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Speaker 8: and we're here to give some good advice schoolfully, but

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Speaker 8: we don't have all of your answers. We only have

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Speaker 8: what we would do in this situation. But let us

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Speaker 8: know what you would do down the comments. As Opie says,

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Speaker 8: normally switching schools is't a.

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Speaker 1: Huge deal, but it was sort of an abrupt move.

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Speaker 8: I wasn't able to take any of the ap classes

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Speaker 8: about how Impact had influenced us during our time.

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Speaker 6: There ah like an impact on your high school experience.

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Speaker 1: They were just doing you a favor.

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Speaker 5: They're like, this is fun, this is artsy, this is different.

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Speaker 8: Every sixteen year old loves to do this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 8: Every high schooler loves achronyms. We were also told that

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Speaker 8: if we didn't complete the senior project, we wouldn't be

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Speaker 8: able to walk at graduation.

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Speaker 6: That's crazy, especially that you transferred your senior year. You're like,

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't know anything about this school.

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Speaker 8: I don't believe that they can do that. If you've

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Speaker 8: you should be able to graduate.

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Speaker 5: And this is a project.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, interesting, Yeah, here's some extra work. I heard this

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Speaker 8: to me. I brought this concern up to the lady

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Speaker 8: just figure something out or don't walk.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay.

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Speaker 8: Then I brought it up with my dad and asked

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Speaker 8: I figured I just wouldn't do the project. End of story,

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Speaker 8: right wrong. A few months into this senior project, they

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Speaker 8: to be done. When I walked up, I told her

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Speaker 8: I wasn't doing it. She was confused, You're not going

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Speaker 8: to do it.

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Speaker 5: You have to.

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Speaker 1: It's not negotiable. No, it's not.

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Speaker 8: I don't have to do it, but you won't walk

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Speaker 8: if you don't do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We started

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Speaker 8: my last interaction regarding this non issue. Several weeks later,

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Speaker 8: for the assignment and had boycotted the whole thing as

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Speaker 8: that I thought it was stupid and wasn't going to

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Speaker 8: and was fine with it. She, like the first lady,

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Speaker 8: seemed confused by this and just let me leave since

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Speaker 8: there wasn't much of a conversation to be had. A

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Speaker 8: again for the same thing. Back up to the vice

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Speaker 8: she looked like the cat that ate the canary, So

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Speaker 8: I know you were in here a while ago, and

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Speaker 8: you said you didn't want to do your scene project. No,

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Speaker 8: I interrupted, I said I wasn't doing the project. Well,

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Speaker 8: she continued, we had a chat with your mother over

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Speaker 5: You mean the mother that I left.

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Speaker 2: I was quiet for a moment.

449
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 8: I live with my dad, right but your mother said

450
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 8: she'd like to attend the ceremony and see you walk.

451
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 8: I don't think you get it, I stated, I live

452
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 8: with my dad for a reason.

453
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Speaker 2: If there were ever.

454
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 8: An expression that perfectly amplified the dial up connection tone.

455
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 2: That was the face she made.

456
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 5: Is like connecting the dots, connecting the dots.

457
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 6: Oh, we thought we would get you with that one.

458
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 8: After she collected herself, I was released and headed back

459
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 8: to class. By this point I was mostly just refusing

460
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 8: the project because it was dumb, But them calling a

461
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 8: family member to strong army was crossing the line. And

462
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 8: on top of that, they tried to do it using

463
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Speaker 8: a parent with whom I was no contact. I decided

464
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 8: right then that no matter what, I wasn't caving into

465
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Speaker 8: their bs.

466
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: At the school.

467
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 8: At the weird tactics they were using. Mixed in with

468
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 8: my anger, though, was genuine confusion. Why did these people

469
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 8: care so much about one guy not doing an optional assignment?

470
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 8: I made myself very clear. So was that the end

471
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Speaker 8: of it? Spoiler?

472
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Speaker 1: It wasn't.

473
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 8: A few more weeks later I got pulled into the

474
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Speaker 8: actual principal's office. The principal was one of those guys

475
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 8: who made a show of being overly friendly and goofy,

476
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Speaker 8: but to the point where it came off as superficial.

477
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Speaker 1: Oh, like the.

478
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Speaker 8: Hey buddy, I heard you don't want to do something,

479
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Speaker 8: let's talk about it.

480
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Speaker 6: We're gonna do good cop and then bad cop kind

481
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Speaker 6: of thing like I was you once, Yeah, bad I

482
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 6: get it, Yeah, I get it.

483
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 5: You want to be cool, you want to be rebellious.

484
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Speaker 6: You're a teenager. I was one of those like forty

485
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Speaker 6: years ago.

486
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Speaker 2: I can relate.

487
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 5: How do you do, fellow kids?

488
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Speaker 8: When I got there, he was his usual extroverted self,

489
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 8: greeted me warmly and sat me down. So I've heard

490
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 8: about this whole scene to project situation, and I get it.

491
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 8: Trust me, I really do. You're new here, so our

492
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 8: motto hasn't had as much as an impression on you.

493
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 8: After talking it over with the folks grating the projects,

494
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Speaker 8: we think it'd be just fine.

495
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Speaker 1: If you did a modified version.

496
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Speaker 8: Just do a project on one letter of impact and

497
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Speaker 8: you're golden. He gave me a big, warm smile. No, sorry,

498
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 8: he asked, still smiling. I'm not doing it.

499
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 1: His smile slowly faded. But you only have to do

500
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Speaker 1: one letter. It's really not that much.

501
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got that. I'm still not going to do it.

502
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 8: But you won't be able to walk on graduation day. Yep,

503
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Speaker 8: So what's the issue exactly? You called my mom? His

504
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 8: mouth hung open like he was going to say something,

505
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Speaker 8: but I guess nothing came to mind. We sat in

506
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Speaker 8: silence for a good twenty seconds, him trying to formulate

507
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 8: an argument and me making a Jim Halbert face. I

508
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 8: told him if that was everything, I'd be heading back

509
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Speaker 8: to class. He didn't protest, so I left. It was

510
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 8: after this meeting that I eventually got some context. Apparently

511
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 8: California school shuffle principles around every few years for some reason.

512
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 8: That probably makes sense, but I don't care enough to

513
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 8: look up. Our principal was switching schools after the twenty

514
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 8: thirteen semester ended, and one of his plans was to

515
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 8: leave that high school with one hundred percent participation in

516
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 8: the senior projects, even though the projects had no effect

517
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Speaker 8: on any final grade. He used the threat of preventing

518
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 8: students from walking at graduation to bully everyone into doing it.

519
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 8: Almost everyone, anyway. I stuck to my pupews and refused.

520
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 8: Sure enough, after the deadline passed, they made a big

521
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Speaker 8: deal about how ninety nine point six percent of students

522
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Speaker 8: had completed their senior projects, while making clear they had

523
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Speaker 8: been hoping for one hundred percent.

524
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Speaker 6: Wow, wait to be that zero point four percent?

525
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Speaker 5: Op.

526
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, good for you, stand up for yourself.

527
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 6: Also crazy that this is what they gave an ultimatum

528
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 6: to kids to be coursed to do a school project.

529
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 5: Yeah for this principle.

530
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 8: Literally, here's some extra work. Do it or you're not

531
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 8: gonna walk a graduation. Oh that's threatening. Thanks, And the

532
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 8: dumbest part of this whole exercise is stupid. After everything

533
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 8: was said and done, I was called into the VP's

534
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 8: office one last time. She told me that despite my

535
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 8: refusal to do the senior project, they were still going

536
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 8: to let me walk and handed me five tickets for

537
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Speaker 8: friends and family.

538
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 5: Wow you trendsetter.

539
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 8: You ah, I laughed, walked out without the tickets and

540
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Speaker 8: didn't attend my own graduation.

541
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Speaker 5: Wow o Pee Baller.

542
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, that was That's pretty.

543
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: Sick that you did that.

544
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 5: You stuck it to the school.

545
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, you were like, I'm new here and like I

546
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Speaker 8: don't care.

547
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 6: And I guarantee you every other student went, wait, we

548
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Speaker 6: actually didn't have to do this project.

549
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Speaker 5: I can see some students like stressing about that project

550
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 5: for sure.

551
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, to be like, oh my god, I can't like,

552
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 8: why would you do that to a senior Like they've

553
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 8: done everything and now it's like your year more on.

554
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 6: Top phone, the most stressful thing is college, yeah, or

555
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 6: just like what's after high school?

556
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Speaker 8: Literally there is an edit. Managed to get a hold

557
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 8: of my pops. I asked him if they ever called him,

558
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 8: and what he said was, I don't know. Maybe I

559
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 8: feel like I had something prepared for if they did call.

560
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 8: You know, I would have told them that your grades

561
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 8: were great and you had just transferred from a different school,

562
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 8: well you didn't know anybody, and that you were just

563
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 8: looking to finish up and go to college. But I

564
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 8: can't remember if they actually called me and I told

565
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 8: them that. I feel like I did, but I'm not sure.

566
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Speaker 6: Dad's also in the same mindset of like, I don't care. Yeah,

567
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 6: like you got this, my guy. You're literally your grades

568
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 6: are good.

569
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 5: That's all I need.

570
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 6: Like you're going to school, you're doing what you need

571
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 6: to do. That doesn't sound like it's part of school.

572
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 6: I didn't need to do that when I was your age. Cool,

573
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 6: and that's the end of this story. We're good to

574
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 6: go onto the next one. I turned in the most

575
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Speaker 6: detailed homework ever, but my teacher refused to market.

576
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Speaker 1: Okay, teacher's pet. Calm down.

577
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Speaker 6: This happened while I was in twelfth grade. I'm pretty good,

578
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 6: and by that I mean, without false modesty, that I

579
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 6: wad basically dominating my entire school at math. Calm down,

580
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 6: hoorry it to alert. Alright, alright, I was good at

581
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 6: math too, all right, I wasn't. We'll see Oh that Okay.

582
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Speaker 5: It was and.

583
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Speaker 6: Still is one of my main passions, and I was

584
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Speaker 6: basically two or three years ahead of the required math level.

585
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Speaker 6: I also have a pretty large math culture, which will

586
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Speaker 6: be important later. Once again, this is not to brag,

587
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 6: but just to give you an idea about why messing

588
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 6: up with me about math isn't a good idea. By

589
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Speaker 6: the way, this comes from user danta Lyon. And if

590
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Speaker 6: you want to submit your own stories, go to the

591
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Speaker 6: r slash Okay Storytime supred It. I'm ke On and

592
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Speaker 6: I'm Savannah, and we're here to give good advice. Goofly

593
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Speaker 6: We don't have all the answers. We only know what

594
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Speaker 6: we'd do. Let us know what you'd do in the comments.

595
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 6: It was a math question, I think ope you would

596
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 6: get it right. So, as Opie says, my twelfth grade

597
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 6: teacher was special. It was his first year at this school,

598
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 6: and for context, he was an old, very old, prideful knucklehead,

599
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 6: like the I'm never wrong type.

600
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: Now.

601
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 6: I know that math is all about rigor, but every

602
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 6: mathematician out there will tell you that excessive rigor isn't

603
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 6: helpful at all and often hides the actual true math.

604
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 6: This teacher wanted everything to be detailed, like excessively detailed.

605
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 6: If you skipped one line in your derivation, you would

606
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 6: lose points, even though, as I said, this line could

607
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 6: be easily done in your head, like if you ended

608
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 6: up with two times two plus one, and you were

609
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 6: enough of a fool to write on the next line

610
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 6: equals five. You would lose points because you didn't right

611
00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 6: for plus one and get equals five. Now I get

612
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 6: this kind of rigor can be good when dealing with

613
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 6: a new topic, but this level of detail in twelfth

614
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 6: grade is stupid. The part that really made me angry

615
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 6: was the grades. I would usually end up with perfect grades.

616
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 6: Side note here where I live, grades aren't given as percentages,

617
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 6: so I'll translate the notes in approximate percentages. But not

618
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 6: with this teacher. I barely succeeded in getting higher than

619
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 6: seventy percent, whether in test or in homework. And even

620
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 6: though everything was correct and I didn't really care because

621
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 6: the grades and themselves aren't really important for future schools

622
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 6: and admissions, the decision in the class was, and I

623
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 6: was still very much at the top. What made me

624
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 6: very angry is the other students. Other side note here.

625
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Speaker 6: I plan to become a math professor, and I always

626
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 6: help my classmates when they had a hard time in

627
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 6: math by explaining concepts and whatnot. This year, everyone's grade plummeted.

628
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 6: I'm talking about hours of heart hard work. Then going

629
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 6: from twenty five to thirty percent, and for them the

630
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 6: future wasn't as sure as for me because the ranking

631
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 6: was always changing. On the day before the holidays, he

632
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 6: gave us back an assignment. I barely had a sixty percent,

633
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 6: and my best friend, who was struggling with the topic

634
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 6: it was basic integration, ended up with a ten percent,

635
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 6: even though any reasonable teacher would have graded her something

636
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 6: like sixty percent. I went ballistic. The d of the

637
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 6: year was slowly approaching, and there was such disastrous results

638
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 6: that barred my friend and a lot of other students

639
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 6: too from getting accepted in the schools they deserved. So

640
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 6: before we go any further here, just like, have you

641
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 6: ever dealt with this? This is literally the show your

642
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 6: work kind of teacher?

643
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know.

644
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 8: I've yeah, I had to show my work, but I

645
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 8: would just show it, like I don't know, I wouldn't

646
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 8: like many teachers are very different.

647
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: He just wanted to.

648
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 8: He wanted you to show each step, which is like

649
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 8: stu and repetitive, but like, I.

650
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Mean, how you're gonna get the grade?

651
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 6: If it was like two two times two plus one

652
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 6: equals five, what I'd be like it's five?

653
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like you can do that in your head type

654
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 8: of thing.

655
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, this is I would talk to somebody about

656
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 6: this because you're like, hey, I'm not getting the answers

657
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 6: wrong like they are right, I'm just not showing how detailed.

658
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 6: You know, I don't need to show you a map

659
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 6: to get to that answer. I would definitely talk to

660
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 6: like somebody above the teacher's position, because that shouldn't affect

661
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 6: your grading. Truly in a sense, maybe, but very interesting.

662
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't like this.

663
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 6: Teacher and how they As long as the student gets

664
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 6: it right and like they usually show their work, I

665
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 6: think it's fine. But the teacher gave an assignment for

666
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 6: the holidays. I had two weeks and I had enough

667
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 6: of his crap. So revenge is now coming. Remember when

668
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Speaker 6: I told you when I had a lot of mathematical culture.

669
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Speaker 6: This happens to include axioms of ZFC set theory and

670
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Speaker 6: the work of Barbaki Burbaki, probably Barbaki, I mean, sorry,

671
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Speaker 6: I butchered it.

672
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Speaker 1: What does huh?

673
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Speaker 6: To all your mathematicians out there, you probably know that

674
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 6: it is and I probably butchered it. But I'm gonna

675
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 6: say Borbaki to those who didn't understand a single word here.

676
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 6: Math in their purest form are based on some elementary

677
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 6: bricks that have to be assumed and can't be proven

678
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 6: even though they seem intuitive. Those bricks are called axioms,

679
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 6: and the ZFC set theory is a collection of such axioms.

680
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 6: Nicola Bourbaki is a fictive name given to a group

681
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 6: of mathematicians that decided to rewrite maths based on the axioms.

682
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: Their work consists pretty much impossible to read cumbersome notations

683
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 6: that are as rigorous as you can get. So I

684
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 6: did exactly that day and night, with little to no breaks.

685
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 6: I wrote hundreds of pages of pure, unreadable, cumbersome but rigorous,

686
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 6: a level of rigor even my teacher himself wasn't expecting

687
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 6: from anyone. And this wasn't easy because I had to

688
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 6: construct the theory of integration from scratch. It was actually

689
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 6: a nice experience because I ended up stumbling on very

690
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 6: interesting topics, but it was exhausting still. After two weeks,

691
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 6: I successfully completed the homework with absolute rigor. Now I

692
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 6: could have said absolute horsecrap for most of it, because

693
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 6: I was pretty sure that he wouldn't go through all

694
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 6: of it. But it ended up being a personal challenge

695
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 6: that I happily completed. On the first day of class,

696
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 6: I arrived a little bit early with my bag and

697
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 6: a suitcase to contained this massive amount of paper. This

698
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 6: was handwritten, mind you, Before the teacher arrived, I took

699
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 6: my work out of the suitcase, and my classmates were confused.

700
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 6: No one except my friend knew my plan. When the

701
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 6: teacher arrived and asked us to bring him our homework,

702
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 6: I let everyone do it, and then I stood up,

703
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 6: picked up what I ridiculously sized homework looked like, and

704
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 6: walked down slowly to his desk while his face was

705
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 6: more and more puzzled with every step.

706
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 5: I laid it down on the pile with a big smile.

707
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 6: And started to walk away. And then he interrupted me,

708
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 6: what is that my homework? Is there an issue?

709
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 5: I want to talk to you after class. All of

710
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: this was expected.

711
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 6: I knew he wouldn't confront me in front of the

712
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 6: whole class because I already proved him wrong a couple

713
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 6: of times before, and he was way too proud to

714
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 6: accept it. So I went back to my desk, not

715
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 6: without maliciously smiling to the whole class. Two hours later,

716
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 6: the class is finished, I go see the teacher and

717
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 6: the dialogue went something like this, you wanted to see me, teacher, Yes,

718
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 6: this is obviously not your homework.

719
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 5: What is this now?

720
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 6: My goal was to play dumb and let him realize

721
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 6: all by himself what I did. I don't get you, teacher,

722
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 6: this is my homework. What's the issue? This isn't possible.

723
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 6: It is way too massive. For the last time, what

724
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 6: is this? He was boiling with anger from my apparent

725
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 6: lack of understanding, and this was glorious.

726
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 5: Well it wasn't easy.

727
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 6: Sure, it's a lot, but it is my homework, Sir.

728
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 6: Realizing this wasn't going anywhere, he told me to just go.

729
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 6: When I burst out of the room, everyone basically jumped

730
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 6: on me to ask what was going on. I explained

731
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 6: them everything and we were all laughing our butts off

732
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 6: when the teacher left the classroom, and he was even

733
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 6: more puzzled. Three things I didn't tell you about this teacher. First,

734
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 6: he prides himself with grading our papers as fast as possible,

735
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 6: sometime trying to do it.

736
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: All in one evening.

737
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 6: Second, nobody likes him, and by that I mean all

738
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 6: other teachers. Administration despise him the teachers because he is

739
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 6: messing with our grades, and administration because he is an

740
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 6: endless source of complaints. And third, holiday homeworks are worth

741
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 6: a disproportionate amount in the final grade. On Wednesday, he

742
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 6: gives us back our homework, but mine is missing.

743
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 5: Obviously, I ask.

744
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 6: Him, teacher, you didn't give back my homework. He looked

745
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 6: at me with the nastiest gaze one can imagine, probably

746
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 6: because he tried understanding what I wrote and he failed.

747
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 6: I'm not grading that why. I asked this with the

748
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 6: most theatrical shocked tone, which included a few chuckles. You know, why,

749
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 6: stop playing nice. So the day goes on, and once

750
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 6: again this was expected. Final part of my plan is coming,

751
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 6: as Opie's like like clicking his fingers. He's like, yes, yes,

752
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 6: this is all going to my plan. I'm gonna make

753
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 6: his brain explode. I go directly to admin side.

754
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 5: Note.

755
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 6: I don't really know how the school's hierarchy are designed

756
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 6: at other places, so administration here means people that are

757
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 6: in charge of him and can force him to do stuff.

758
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 6: I explained them the situation, but I don't bother them

759
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 6: with the mathematical details. Again, basically, I tell them that

760
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 6: I tried to be more rigorous than usual since the

761
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 6: teacher seems to like rigor, and that it obviously made

762
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 6: my work a little bit longer, but that this is

763
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 6: no reason to not grade it, and that because of

764
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 6: the proportion of it, it would basically destroy my GPA.

765
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 6: The teacher is called on the spot and has to

766
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 6: explain himself to the administration. He tries to justify himself,

767
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 6: but administration is not taking it, that is not blind

768
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 6: to what I was trying to achieve and seem to

769
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 6: be on board with it, and was having again none

770
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Speaker 6: of it. A full argument later in which I wasn't

771
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 6: able to say a single word, Admund basically says to

772
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 6: my teacher that he has to grade my work and

773
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 6: they and that he has to grade it fairly. Teacher

774
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 6: is now fuming and I one.

775
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Speaker 2: Op he is an L seven weenie.

776
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 8: No op, you're cool.

777
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 6: I just feel like I would have this is the

778
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 6: teacher and everyone complained about him. I would talk to

779
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 6: again Admin and be like, you do realize this guy

780
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 6: should be fired.

781
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 8: I would have started a union instead of putting myself

782
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 8: through all of this work like day and night for

783
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 8: like two weeks.

784
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 6: It was Yeah, in the beginning, you're like, this is

785
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 6: gonna show him, and like, yeah, it's gonna be a

786
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 6: lot of hard work, but like you did all of

787
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 6: that crazy work to make a point.

788
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 5: I don't know who really won here. I really don't.

789
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, honestly, he's like the teacher would be like, you

790
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 6: did it, you did it, op, you get him. See,

791
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 6: I finally reached to one of these kids. They finally

792
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 6: tried to get back at me, and you did it.

793
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: They figured out my algorithm.

794
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: Yes, now I am thoughted.

795
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 6: You get one gold star sticker on your shirt. So,

796
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 6: like wanted, I knew I won because, knowing how proud

797
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 6: he is, pass an enormous amount of time trying to

798
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 6: find any single mistake, and to do that, he had

799
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 6: to understand what I was writing. He knew that he

800
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 6: couldn't randomly assign a grade because I would ask him

801
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 6: to point out my mistakes three months without any assignment

802
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 6: from his part.

803
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 5: Later, he gives me my workback.

804
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 6: I got my one hundred percent, he got to learn

805
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 6: about some pretty cool math, and most of all, he

806
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 6: stopped annoying us with everything that he didn't consider perfectly rigorous.

807
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 6: After that, I did my best to help law students

808
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 6: get back on track, and in the end, pretty much

809
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 6: everyone was accepted to their school they deserved and that

810
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 6: is the end of that story.

811
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: Wow, so you're the hero pe.

812
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 5: And that's the end of this story. We're gonna go

813
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 5: onto the next one.

814
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 3: Hey, this is Riley, Your's favorite Southern bail. We're gonna

815
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: get back to these stories. But here's three minutes worth

816
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817
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 8: I shared my work to help a friend, but he

818
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 8: told the professor I copied his.

819
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 5: No, he copied mine.

820
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 8: I female have been friends with who will call Steve

821
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 8: nineteen mail for over three years now. I met Steve

822
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 8: through my boyfriend's friend and we had similar interests, so

823
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 8: we grew a pretty solid friendship pretty quickly. I am

824
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 8: the kind of person that has had a history of

825
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 8: having a hard time setting boundaries for myself and standing

826
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 8: up for myself when I need to. In saying that,

827
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 8: I have been starting to get better with standing up

828
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 8: for myself. By the way, this comes from Few Morning

829
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 8: forty seven forty one, and if you want to sumit

830
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 8: your own stories, go to the r slash Okay storytime subreddit.

831
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Speaker 8: I'm Savannah.

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00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: I'm Keon and we are here to give.

833
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Speaker 8: Some good advice Gooflee, but we don't have all your answers.

834
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 8: We'd only tell you what we would do in the situation,

835
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 8: but let us know what you would do down in

836
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 8: the comments. As Opie says, now that you know that,

837
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 8: it will be quite clear to see. I did kind

838
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 8: of let Steve walk all over me during this friendship.

839
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 8: He would overshare with me and expect me to do

840
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 8: the same, slander people who are close to me, and

841
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 8: expected me to agree, invited himself over all the time

842
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 8: and stay the nights once he was already over. Because

843
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 8: I had a hard time, I'm saying no to his face.

844
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 8: He would do things like this that consistently pushed my boundaries,

845
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 8: but I would say I'm okay.

846
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: With it because he would also.

847
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 8: Be very generous and buy me food, snacks and gifts.

848
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: That I thought were genuine.

849
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 8: And I felt bad because it felt like I was

850
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 8: constantly in this kind of debt, even though I never

851
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 8: asked for him to buy me anything, as I can

852
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 8: buy myself whatever I need. This is not to say

853
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 8: that I never enjoyed his company. We both have similar

854
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 8: hobbies and enjoyed each other's company. For the most part,

855
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 8: Steve was never in any amazing financial spot. He could

856
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 8: still get by, but insisted on spending money on me anyways,

857
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 8: even though we are both in post secondary the same

858
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 8: one and he had to pay for his own tuition

859
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 8: while complaining to me that he was always just getting by.

860
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 8: Last semester, Steve and I were in the same class,

861
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 8: a lecture heavy class that required a lot of writing assignments.

862
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 8: During the semester, I was having a really hard time

863
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 8: with my mental health and he offered me to lean

864
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 8: on him during that time, which I was appreciative of.

865
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 8: I was not doing super well in this class as

866
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 8: the professor was a bit of a harsh marker, and

867
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 8: this was one of my first classes that required a

868
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 8: certain format for essays, papers, responses and such. I struggle

869
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 8: with instructions if they are not incredibly clear. My professor

870
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 8: had pretty confusing instructions for a lot of our assignments,

871
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 8: so I had close to a failing mark in this

872
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 8: class as I was not understanding the format fully. With

873
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 8: one paper left to right to save my overall mark,

874
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 8: this was a class that I was required to pass

875
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 8: in the year I was in Steve and I had

876
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 8: the same topic to write our paper on. I put

877
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 8: days of hard work into this paper, ensuring my sources

878
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 8: were cited properly and academically, and put a lot of

879
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 8: time and effort into understanding the format. I jumped the

880
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 8: pew pew on this assignment and started it early to

881
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 8: ensure it was one of my best papers I had

882
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 8: written in so far in UNI, so I was able

883
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 8: to finish it early as well to get that weight

884
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 8: of an assignment off of my back for a week.

885
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 8: Steve had let me know that he was struggling with

886
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 8: his paper as well, something I could really sympathize with

887
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 8: and understand, so I offered him a helping hand and

888
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 8: sent him my finished paper so he could get some

889
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 8: inspiration and maybe use one or two of the same

890
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 8: sources I had. Unfortunately, had the faith in him that

891
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 8: he would only use it as inspiration to start his

892
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 8: own paper and maybe use mine for one or two

893
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 8: references as to not cause a plagiarism issue. Plagiarism is

894
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 8: a topic that every single one of our professors stressed

895
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 8: to us heavily, so everyone is aware and has the

896
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 8: common sense to not write a similar paper at all

897
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 8: as all post secondaries ensure. Yeah, I feel like plagiarism

898
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 8: is a huge thing, like in school anyway, like it's

899
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 8: just you know, and now I can only imagine with

900
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 8: like chat GIPTI AI is probably writing everything.

901
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 5: Ok. No, it's crazy.

902
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 8: That you don't even have to do the work. I

903
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 8: struggled so hard to come up with like ten ten

904
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 8: pages write about just one thing. It's like, how much

905
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 8: more can I say without like copying other people's work.

906
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, like, what was your like longest thing,

907
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 6: like longest like project you had to do, or like

908
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: longest paper you had to do.

909
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 8: I would say probably, yeah, I'd say, like ten pages

910
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 8: usually is like where that was. I remember I never

911
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 8: really had to like write that much because I went

912
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 8: for acting. So it was like, you know, if we

913
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 8: had to write, like I mean, I would write trying

914
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 8: to think, Like so for play writing, we would write

915
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 8: ten pages, but it's like in the form of a script,

916
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 8: so it wasn't.

917
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: Like ten full pages.

918
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's more like maybe five ish because.

919
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 6: It's like it's like double isn't it, Like double space

920
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 6: and like scene and then like yeah, double space, you know,

921
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 6: like again more double space and then like entrance, double

922
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: space paragraph of somebody walks in and then yeah, double space.

923
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 8: Like scene or there's stage directions, character names, character like

924
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 8: analysis and stuff, so like it's or character descriptions and

925
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 8: like you know, so that like kind of that wasn't hard,

926
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 8: but like I did have to write like a ten

927
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 8: page essay though. It was my August Wilson class, which

928
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 8: is like this playwriter from Pittsburgh, and you had to

929
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 8: choose like three topics like or no like themes and

930
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 8: like it was so hard and I think I ended

931
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 8: up getting like a CE or B on it or something,

932
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 8: and I was just like, I don't even care because

933
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 8: I was hard.

934
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had we had Science Fair and the we

935
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 6: had Science Fair, so everyone had to do a science

936
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 6: project with like the trifold like thing, and you had

937
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 6: to do like a ten page hypothesis. I remember when

938
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 6: people were like comparing, like all my public school friends

939
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 6: were like, yeah, the most I had to do is

940
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 6: like a three page essay, And I went, huh what He.

941
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 8: Thanked me for allowing him to read my paper and

942
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 8: got to writing his own that he submitted very last minute.

943
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 8: I was happy to help. We had both handed our

944
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 8: papers in and took the final test for that course,

945
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 8: and then Christmas break came. I guess it took a

946
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 8: while for the professor to marker pay, but she reviewed them,

947
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 8: I believe around halfway through the first week of our break.

948
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 8: One morning, I wake up around noon to him exploding

949
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 8: my phone with messages along the lines of I think

950
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 8: the professor thinks I plagiarized your paper, and I'm so sorry,

951
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 8: and I'll buy you this to make up for it,

952
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 8: to which I said it was okay too, because I

953
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 8: did not fully understand the situation yet and read his

954
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 8: text first, as well as a few emails from the

955
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 8: professor asking me to meet her on campus. She sent

956
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 8: these emails around eight in the morning, when I was

957
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 8: still fast asleep, and I'd apparently asked Steve the same

958
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 8: Steve was able to actually meet with her, so the

959
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 8: professor already had a bias against me because I was

960
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 8: not there to tell my half of the story, and

961
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 8: by the sounds of it, Steve was not telling the

962
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 8: professor the full truth. I had gotten an email from

963
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 8: my professor in summary saying that she would not consider

964
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 8: my paper unless I rewrote a good portion of it,

965
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 8: and that I was in trouble with a registrar, and

966
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 8: they had marked both my paper and Steve's with plagiarism.

967
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 8: Plagiarism is a terminable offense in my post secondary Steve

968
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 8: had apparently told the professor that we had both referenced

969
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 8: each other's papers, and that I had read his as

970
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 8: he read mine, so that we could bounce ideas off

971
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 8: of each other, when in truth, I wrote and completed

972
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 8: my own paper almost entirely on my own, aside from

973
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 8: having to ask Steve for photos from one of the

974
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 8: books from our UNI library, as he had one with

975
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 8: good information and possession that I did not have access

976
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 8: to online. After setting a few very mad but still

977
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 8: professional emails to the professor expressing how I am disappointed

978
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 8: she was displaying bias against me, and then explaining myself

979
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 8: how I helped Steve after I had entirely finished my

980
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 8: paper by myself without any cross referencing to Steve's paper,

981
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 8: she apologized and let me off the hook without me

982
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 8: needing to rewrite any of my paper. I do not

983
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 8: know if Steve needed to rewrite any portion of his

984
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 8: or what, because I stopped fully communicating with him after that,

985
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 8: but I could have been terminated for that if he

986
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 8: had not let me fully explain myself.

987
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 6: That's crazy because like obviously in the paper Steve copied you.

988
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 6: But like, hey, teacher or professor, look at the previous

989
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 6: stuff and look at what I write personally, and like

990
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 6: what I do like on test or like homework or

991
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 6: what have you that I don't share with Steve even

992
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 6: though I do it, but look how I write it

993
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 6: and look how.

994
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: He writes it.

995
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 6: It's a it should be a night and day kind

996
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 6: of thing because like I know the stuff.

997
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, you could tell like when I used to I

998
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 8: was like a substitute teacher, and I was like, you know,

999
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 8: I would great stuff and like after why you kind

1000
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 8: of like knew the kids and whatnot, and like I

1001
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 8: you would know if this person wrote it or if

1002
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 8: they didn't.

1003
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 6: Like it's like, yeah, it should be night and day

1004
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 6: if you like just like look at my previous stuff

1005
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 6: or then compare it to his stuff, especially if it's

1006
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: like free writing or like homework or what have you

1007
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 6: that it come on, come on.

1008
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 8: Fast forward to recently, I have been pretty much ignoring

1009
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 8: all of his attempts to talk to me for weeks,

1010
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 8: as I have realized his manipulative behavior and will not

1011
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 8: forgive him for putting my academics in jeopardy. Some of

1012
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 8: his texts are also just so weird, like he's sending

1013
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 8: me texts fantasizing about embarrassing me on my wedding day.

1014
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: Hunt haunt, dude, you got caught? Like what it's like?

1015
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait till you're married and then I'm

1016
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna show up and ruin.

1017
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 6: It like you're getting an invite, like you know where.

1018
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 5: It's gonna be.

1019
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: This is relevant, I promise lol. Oh.

1020
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 8: I also just recently have started to sell my art

1021
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 8: online through bidding on eBay. Steve had winning bids for

1022
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 8: over half of the ones I had listed at the

1023
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 8: time and now has not paid for them, even though

1024
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 8: it's been over two days that the bid has ended,

1025
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 8: and I am suspecting that this is another attempt of

1026
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 8: him trying to get me to talk to him. This

1027
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 8: is annoying because he's holding works that other potential buyers

1028
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 8: can be bidding for. So am I the a hole

1029
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 8: for ignoring Steve? No?

1030
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I don't think you all, but I feel

1031
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 6: like you should just confront him one last time.

1032
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, dude, I'm done with you.

1033
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 6: Like that's that Like nothing you can do or say,

1034
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 6: because like you threw me under the bus and you

1035
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 6: thought that was cool. Sorry, And that's the end of

1036
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 6: this story. We're good to go onto the next one.

1037
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: My boss asked me to recruit my replacement, so I

1038
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: did exactly that.

1039
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: I found someone. This happened some time ago. Bob was

1040
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: the boss at the time.

1041
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: Old can't keep up with technology, but had been with

1042
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: the company for a long time and so got to

1043
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: be my boss. Hans, a friend from school who works

1044
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: in the same company but in management in a different department,

1045
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: helped me get this job four years prior. Caroline was

1046
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: a coworker who was not in the smartest tool in

1047
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: the shed, but makes up for it in work ethic.

1048
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: Carol was a normal coworker who had worked at the

1049
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: company for about six years and handled mostly the old

1050
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: client accounts. Has a family and is very busy. Me well,

1051
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: me guy in his late twenties a little likes computers.

1052
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: By the way, this comes from deleted And if you

1053
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: want to submit your own stories, go to the r

1054
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: slash Okay Storytime Supered. It's I'm Angie, Soia and.

1055
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm Savannah, and we're here to give good advice. Goofly,

1056
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: but we don't have all the answers.

1057
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: We just know what we were doing these situations, So

1058
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: let us know what you would do in the comments,

1059
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: and Opie says. This was a small company and our

1060
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: team of three were best described as tech support for

1061
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: our clients, but it went a bit further than that.

1062
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: I usually helped with setting up databases and also advised

1063
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: clients from time to time if they would benefit from

1064
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: upgrading their plan et cetera. As normal with tech support,

1065
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: we got tickets from the clients and would work away

1066
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: at them one by one. I liked the challenging problems

1067
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: and usually tried to work hard at them. And it

1068
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: just so happened that Caroline liked the more standard problems

1069
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: and enjoys doing something that she already knew over something

1070
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: new every day. Nothing wrong with that. As you might imagine,

1071
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: we too made a good team and have this kind

1072
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: of unwritten rule who took which tickets when?

1073
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: When win win Me Caroline, Company and client.

1074
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: Until we got a new boss, Bob ew He immediately

1075
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: noticed that I was working far fewer tickets than Caroline.

1076
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: I tried to explain to him how not every ticket

1077
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: is the same workload. But because he wasn't very tech

1078
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: savvy and didn't understand half of the stuff that I

1079
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: was doing, he did not understand. Also, around one month later,

1080
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: we got a huge new client and I spend a

1081
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: week on site in setting up all the databases and

1082
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: stuff that they needed. This drew down my month average

1083
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: ticket numbers even further. Duh. If Bob would have only

1084
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: had half a brain cell, he could have figured out why.

1085
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: Now came something that I did not expect from Bob.

1086
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: He said, we need more help on the team, and

1087
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: he was approved to hire a fourth member for our team.

1088
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: I was excited, we all were. We had this huge

1089
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: new client and things were not yet running smoothly, and anyway,

1090
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: our company was expanding fast, so this actually made sense.

1091
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: And he specifically asked me to.

1092
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: Basically do the recruiting process and to work the new

1093
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: guy in.

1094
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: He might have figured out that he did not have

1095
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: a clue what we were doing, I thought, which I

1096
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: was happy to do. The same night, Hans calls me,

1097
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: which is weird because Hans is not a caller, he's

1098
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: a Texter. He basically said, you should come to my

1099
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: house tomorrow. I have some beers that need drinking. So

1100
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: the next day I get to Hans's house and we

1101
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: are just talking about normal stuff. We see each other

1102
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: maybe once per month and have a big overlapping friend pool,

1103
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: but this time it was just me and him drinking beers,

1104
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: no other friends around. After somebody, he mentioned that he

1105
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: had just updated his resume the day before and that

1106
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: everyone should have should always have an updated resume on hand.

1107
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: Do you have an updated resume? He asked me.

1108
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: I felt this was a weird question and had an

1109
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: idea where this was going, so I said no, but

1110
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: should I Is there something that you know.

1111
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: About that you want to tell me?

1112
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying that everyone should a resume ready,

1113
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 1: But I of course couldn't tell you if Bob thinks

1114
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: about letting you go.

1115
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 2: But I also couldn't tell you if.

1116
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: Bob is not thinking about letting you go. It sounds

1117
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: like Bob's thinking about letting you.

1118
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: Go, So I think I think Hans knows something.

1119
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: I think Han's I also imagine that he's gentleman, so's

1120
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you if Bob is thinking of letting

1121
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: you go, but he could be thinking maybe I might

1122
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: be letting you go.

1123
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: Maybe, but I couldn't say I don't know.

1124
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: I thanked him very much for the PS and left

1125
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: shortly after that, so I know I'm getting fired, and

1126
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: I have the suspicion that Bob has just asked me

1127
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: to hire my own replacement and train him to do

1128
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: my job so he can take it. This is finally

1129
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: where the sweet MC comes in. I fully comply with

1130
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: hiring a fourth member of the team and also pick

1131
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: one best and also pick one best suited for what

1132
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: Bob wants HI ticket numbers. So I am thinking not

1133
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: so smart person with a sloppy attitude that does not

1134
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: care if the customer is happy. After all, customers satisfaction

1135
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: was not important to Bob when he talked about my

1136
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: ticket numbers, so I get right on it. Many people

1137
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: apply some good ones, but I I with those out

1138
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: very quickly. Resumes with lots of spelling mistakes and little

1139
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: experience in the sector are the ones that I invite

1140
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: for an interview. The interviewing stage is trickier because now

1141
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: Bob and someone from HR is sitting in with me,

1142
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: but I'm still asking most of the questions and giving

1143
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: my opinions on the candidates, but because I put out

1144
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: the good ones, when Bob makes a decision, he just

1145
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: chose the best of the worst, in my opinion, not

1146
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: even the best, because one applicant was actually quite good.

1147
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: But I asked him stupid questions that did not make sense,

1148
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: and when he could not answer them, I made him

1149
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: look really bad. Sorry, John, orp.

1150
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: John, Oh, he's like I had to do a tea.

1151
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: John. Sorry that you had to get caught up in this.

1152
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: You're simply a casualty. Best of luck you in your

1153
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: future career. Yes, I was getting fired from this job

1154
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: and I needed to do this. When people are talking

1155
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: about the competitive job market right now, is competitive for

1156
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: the reasons you wouldn't expect. I advise one candidate that

1157
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: he ends up picking because he will work very fast

1158
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: and get lots of tickets done. At this point, I

1159
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: have another job lined up in four months time, but

1160
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to get fired by Bob to get some

1161
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: sweet severance pay after two months of training. Mister newguy,

1162
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: I have just shown him how to do basic tickets,

1163
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: which he can do quite well and fast, but makes

1164
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes with them, and I let the

1165
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: hard ones slowly build up Carol or Carl notices, and

1166
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: as he would be the only one after my firing

1167
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: to be able to handle them, I let him in

1168
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: on what I was doing. As chance will have it,

1169
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: he had just gotten an offer from another company, and

1170
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: since he also did not like Bob, he already decided

1171
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: that he will take the offer, but said he could

1172
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: sit on it a few weeks and time it with

1173
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: my firing for maximum destruction.

1174
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: Oh, we really do not like Bob. Yeah, Bob talks,

1175
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: I guess.

1176
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: So then I tell Bob that I am done working

1177
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: in the new guy, and a week later he tells

1178
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: me he sadly needs to let me go because my

1179
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: numbers had not gotten better. He actually used against me

1180
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: that I had not been doing that many tickets while

1181
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: I was training the new guy. How dumb can you

1182
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: even be? Bob? Oh, my god, that is crazy. Yeah,

1183
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: he's like, well, you should have been paying more attention

1184
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: to your duties. And he's like, well, I was like

1185
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: training yeah, the guy you asked me to hire, And

1186
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I don't care, it.

1187
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter, doesn't matter, doesn't matter.

1188
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: He also wished me a lot of luck finding a

1189
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: new place to work out with my work ethics. Bob

1190
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: so passive aggressive, peez, This had been the day that

1191
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: I was waiting for. And I just thanked Bob and

1192
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: reminded him of the four months worth of severance that

1193
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: I was owned now, and also two month worth of

1194
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: vacation that I had not.

1195
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: Taken and carried over and was now entitled to get

1196
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: paid out.

1197
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: As I am heading out, I tell Carl what had

1198
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: just happened, and he opens his drawer with the signed

1199
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: two weeks notice into Bob's office.

1200
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 4: Nice.

1201
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: My girlfriend had vacation time left and we decided to

1202
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: leave for a four week holiday to New Zealand the

1203
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: next week. Oh fine, love, Oh my god.

1204
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: I proposed to her. There is on top of the world.

1205
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: As the saying goes, spend one fourth of your reseverance

1206
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: on the engagement ring.

1207
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: Sure is that saying? It's us saying because he said it.

1208
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: Because you want to, of course, get fired right before

1209
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: you propose, yes, and watch her plenty for a wedding.

1210
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,479
Speaker 1: You want to not have a job.

1211
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: But he's got one line. Yeah, he's got the plan

1212
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: is going. Well, you did it perfectly, I have I

1213
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: have no other advice to give yeah, it seems like

1214
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: you've nailed it.

1215
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: No notes, great job. I started my new job one

1216
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: month after returning from New Zealand and even got a

1217
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: nice pay bump and good but us. I made sure

1218
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: to thank Hans again and he kept me in the

1219
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: loop on how my old department went on the drain

1220
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: very quick and Bob was let go sometime later. Oh boy,

1221
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: when that happened, they actually approached me for taking his

1222
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: job and I declined, but that would have been the

1223
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: ultimate f you to him. About five years later, last year,

1224
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: I started a company together with Hans, doing much of

1225
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: the same thing, but in a different city, and so

1226
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: far it's gone really well. And that's the end of

1227
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: that story. Dang, Oh my gosh, how amazing.

1228
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that went well, that is beautiful. We are besties

1229
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: with Hans. He joined us. Yeah, we got a new job.

1230
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: Proposal, proposal like New Zealand Trip, New Zealand Trip, pay

1231
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: raise by bars. Bob's fired and starting a new business.

1232
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: Pretty great. Hire John, Hire John, Yeah. Yeah, go find

1233
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: John Yeah.

1234
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: And get him back poor guy. Yeah, and that's the

1235
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: end of the story. We're gonna go on to the

1236
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: next one. Hey, it's Angie. Your favorite fake redhead host

1237
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: here and we're going to get back to the stories,

1238
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: but here's a three minute ad break from our sponsors.

1239
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: My boss gave me the lowest raise possible, so I

1240
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: gave her.

1241
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Something in return. What a noogie. I worked for this

1242
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: tech company over almost seven years. It was my first

1243
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: job out of college. Great company, huge growth, great benefits,

1244
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: and most importantly and incredible boss. By the way, this

1245
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: comes from you messed up twelve and if you want

1246
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: to sumit your own stories, go to the r slash

1247
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay storytime severed it. I'm Sophia, I'm Angie, and I'm

1248
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: Savannah Ed. We're here to give good advice youfly, but

1249
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: we don't have all the answers. We only know what

1250
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: we'd do, So let us know what you would do

1251
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: in the comments and dope Pie says the boss was

1252
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: super helpful and responsive, always had the teams back, goes

1253
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: out of his way to not micromanage, didn't care as

1254
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: long as the work got done. Borderline forced people to

1255
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: take PTO. We have unlimited and I averaged thirty to

1256
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: forty days off a year. I'm We're doing nice and

1257
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: believed in giving good workers big races. And promotions. Last

1258
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: three years, I got nine percent, thirteen percent and a promotion,

1259
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: and seven percent raisins. We worked remote through the VID

1260
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: and I asked to change my contract to fully remote

1261
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: so I could leave the high cost of living city

1262
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: where the office was based to go back to my hometown.

1263
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: Boss approved the change, and when and when HR tried

1264
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: to do a cost of living adjustment to my salary,

1265
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: Boss told them no, because I'll be doing the same

1266
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: work in a new location. The boss was so good

1267
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: that on our team of sixteen people, the lowest tenured

1268
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: was three and a half years. I'd been offered several

1269
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: other jobs with salary increases throughout the years, but could

1270
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: never bring myself to leave. Myself and one other person

1271
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: on my team had specialized into working on very complex

1272
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: and involved projects. These were significantly different than the team's

1273
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: normal day to day work. We've been doing the complex

1274
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: projects for four plus yus and were the knowledge base

1275
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: for the company in that area. Boss left that area

1276
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: completely to us to manage. As the volume picked up,

1277
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: we added and trained two more people to our little

1278
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: sub team to help out. None of these projects went

1279
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: out to the customers without one of us four being

1280
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: involved super complex, one hundred ks to millions lost if

1281
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: a mistake was made. Ooh, and since it was the

1282
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: fastest growing part of the business by far, we were

1283
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: super busy.

1284
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: So you got a lot right on you. Yeah, that's

1285
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: when I'm here.

1286
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: A lot of pressure, A lot of pressure in the workplace.

1287
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: Now, around two years ago, boss's boss gets promoted from

1288
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: his VP role up to an SVP spot and iires

1289
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: a new VP. This new VP comes in and tries

1290
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: to change a lot very quickly. Tries to make everything

1291
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: a trackable metric, even where it really doesn't make sense.

1292
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 5: I e.

1293
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: Tracking the number of projects each person on my team

1294
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: did every month counted as one, even if it was

1295
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: super complex and took two weeks, or if it was

1296
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: very simple with an existing customer and took an hour. Yeah,

1297
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense. Wanted each project to go out faster,

1298
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: even if they weren't due for a week. We were

1299
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: supposed to get them out in under three days. Tried

1300
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: to force my boss to assign work to the team

1301
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: instead of us all picking up from a central queue

1302
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: as we could, etc. Et cetera. Boss pushed back as

1303
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: much as possible, but was getting crapped on constantly by

1304
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: new VP because the useless metrics VP wanted us tracked

1305
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: by didn't meet as super unrealistic expectations, despite my boss's

1306
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: team being the most experienced and efficient in the company

1307
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: and doing significantly more volume and more complex work than

1308
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: any other team. About nine months ago, Boss had another

1309
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: desk getting consistently crapped on by VP. I took a

1310
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: new job and left. Boss had been with the company

1311
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: for thirteen years wow, and was one of the first

1312
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: few hundred employees. My whole old team was devastated. We

1313
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: all instantly started lobbying for the most tenured person on

1314
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: our team to get promoted into that role, as she

1315
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: would have the same philosophy as the boss that just left.

1316
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: VP interviews most tenured and a bunch of external candidates

1317
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: and goes with someone from his previous company. Now this

1318
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: lady will be referred to as.

1319
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: Which boss from here on out for soon to be

1320
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: obvious reasons.

1321
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: That's so sad. Yeah, that someone came in and screwed

1322
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: everything up, and this person who's been at this job

1323
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: for sixteen years felt like they could leave.

1324
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like everything was going so smoothly before this

1325
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: so harmoniously. Yeah, she came in and completely destroyed the

1326
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: team from top to bottom, changed processes that had been

1327
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: perfected for years, didn't listen or care about what anyone

1328
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: else had to say, started micromanaging to the extreme. Team

1329
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: morale dropped like a rock. It took less than a

1330
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: month for the team's output to crater due to all

1331
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: of her changes. The team went from the best in

1332
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: the company to the worst.

1333
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 2: And you would think that the bosses would look at

1334
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: this and say, whoa, what happened here? His team was

1335
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: doing so well? Yeah, you think you would think. Apparently not,

1336
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: you know, Apparently we took which Boss about two months

1337
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: to get to my smaller sub team and try to

1338
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: rework our processes. Which Boss started micromanaging projects, having no

1339
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: idea what she was doing, and causing all kinds of

1340
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: issues and delays. She started getting on us four about

1341
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: our metrics being the worst on the team.

1342
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: I wonder what that was all?

1343
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: You girl, right, look in the mirror. Which Boss. Despite

1344
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: us working on the super complex projects that took ten

1345
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: to one hundred times longer on average than most of

1346
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: the work the rest of the team did. Boss told

1347
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: us that if we didn't meet the expected metrics, we

1348
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: would be put on PIPS. So we decided to comply

1349
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: and focused all of our efforts on simple projects to

1350
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: meet the metric X number of projects completed per month

1351
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: per person and left the complex ones sitting in the cube.

1352
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: This caused chaos as my small sub team suddenly stopped

1353
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: picking up complex projects and just focused on completing simple

1354
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: projects to get our metrics up very quickly. The sales

1355
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: team is freaking out because deals are getting delayed and

1356
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: their huge commission checks from the complex projects are being

1357
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: put in jeopardy. When they come to us to ask

1358
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: when we were going to complete the complex projects, we

1359
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: all gave the same response. Boss has told us we

1360
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 2: have to focus all of our efforts on meeting metric X,

1361
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: so we will only be doing that. Rub it in

1362
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: their faces. Yeah yeah, Unfortunately that means we can no

1363
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: longer complete the complex projects. Please contact Boss for help

1364
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: getting them completed.

1365
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: Nice.

1366
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 2: This did not go over well with her or VP,

1367
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: as he started to get complaints as well.

1368
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: They called the.

1369
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: Meeting and told us we had to go back to

1370
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: doing the complex projects. We refused as that made it

1371
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: impossible to meet the metrics. They created to measure our performance.

1372
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: They refused to drop the metric, but still insisted we

1373
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: work on the complex ones as we were the only

1374
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: ones with the knowledge. We still refused. There is a

1375
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: very simple answer here, just drop the metrics. Yeah, we

1376
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 2: still refused. This resulted in a lot more complaints from

1377
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: sales until the senior VP got involved. The senior VP

1378
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: was the one who created the complex sub team to

1379
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: begin with. In sided with.

1380
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: This, Okay, okay, nice against the VP and boss.

1381
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1382
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: He said we were not to be measured by the

1383
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: metrics and can go back to managing the complex stuff

1384
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 2: without fear of being put on a PIP. So we did.

1385
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: At this point, the other three people on the sub

1386
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: team had seen the writing on the wall and were

1387
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,959
Speaker 2: all actively applying and.

1388
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: Trying to leave asap.

1389
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: They were all office based in the high cost of

1390
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 2: living areas. Still, boss changed the team from coming one

1391
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: to two days a week as needed to mandatory three

1392
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: days in the office most of the company policy would

1393
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: let her. I had not been applying because I was distracted.

1394
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: My old boss had approved two weeks of vacation for

1395
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: my wedding and honeymoon before he left. I mean, yop

1396
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: he's still going through it, but like promote not having

1397
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: to deal with this in person, honeymoon pretty great.

1398
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. True.

1399
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: This happened to occur about three months after the witch

1400
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: Boss started and about a month after the whole pit

1401
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: blow up. Boss was pissed at how we showed her

1402
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: up in front of the senior VP and was doing

1403
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 2: everything she could.

1404
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: To make our life miserable.

1405
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: In that month, the other super experienced guy and my

1406
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 2: best friend on the sub team got a new job

1407
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: and left no notice, and one of the other guys

1408
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: on the sub team had put in his notice and

1409
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: only had a week left. We were already slammed and

1410
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 2: still behind from the pip fiasco, so losing half the

1411
01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: sub team just made.

1412
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: That worse y.

1413
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: Plus, with morale so low, we didn't bother to put

1414
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: in any extra effort anymore. In fact, the whole team

1415
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: was significantly behind, as six of the sixteen people had

1416
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 2: left or were on their notice periods at that point.

1417
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: So Boss decided that she was canceling my already approved

1418
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: wedding leave because of how far the team was behind.

1419
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: I would just at that point quit, yeah, like everyone

1420
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: else already quitting. I would just quit. Yeah, I mean

1421
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,839
Speaker 2: at least like start searching for other jobs.

1422
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean yeah, because it's just too much, man,

1423
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: she told me over Zoom. I told her there was

1424
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: no chance.

1425
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: I'm missing my wedding and honeymoon for work, and I'm

1426
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: taking the full leave, and it's up to her if

1427
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: she wants to lose another person from the sub team

1428
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 2: for two weeks or permanently noise. She'd be asked, yelled,

1429
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: and threatened until I just left the Zoom call. She

1430
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: followed up with an email officially notifying me my leave

1431
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: was canceled and if I didn't show up, it would

1432
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 2: be considered job abandonment. I called her blood and replied

1433
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 2: cc VP and senior VP and some other sales vps

1434
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: who I worked with regularly explaining the situation it's my wedding,

1435
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: honeymoon and that I appreciated the opportunity but was quitting

1436
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 2: immediately with no notice due to the disrespect from boss.

1437
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: Nice period.

1438
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I got slack messages from senior VP and

1439
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: several of the sales vps almost immediately asking me not

1440
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 2: too quit. I mean, like, if I were the senior VPS,

1441
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: I would be firing.

1442
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: That boss, right, like he hired her yeah, or the

1443
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: one of the vps did, I would be firing her.

1444
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean like if I saw a boss that I

1445
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: had just placed in in their time as boss, seven

1446
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,440
Speaker 1: people leave taking that as a sign yeah.

1447
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 2: The email chain itself blew up with complaints about how

1448
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 2: my team was mismanaged by the boss and how now

1449
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: more complex deals were going to get lost because I

1450
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't be there at all to work on them. Senior

1451
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 2: VP eventually shut it down, but it was a fun read.

1452
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: I didn't reply to the slack messages or do any

1453
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 2: work the rest of the day, just turned everything off

1454
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 2: and went to a bar and had a good time.

1455
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: I woke up the next day late in the morning

1456
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: and very hungover, to a few voicemails on my phone

1457
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: from senior VP asking me to call him. I called

1458
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: back in the early afternoon and talked to the senior VP.

1459
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: He was very understanding and asked me to come back.

1460
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: He listened to all my complaints and eventually made an offer. Basically,

1461
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: if I came back and worked the rest of the

1462
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: week and tried to train a few team members to

1463
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,839
Speaker 2: work on complex stuff to cover well I was gone,

1464
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,879
Speaker 2: he would give me a three thousand dollars wedding bonus.

1465
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: I would get my full PTO and when I got

1466
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 2: back Boss would leave me alone and let me manage

1467
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: the complex stuff and pick two more people to permanently

1468
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: train back onto the subteam to backfill what we had lost.

1469
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: Wow they are.

1470
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: Spirit Oh yeah wow.

1471
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: I accepted weddings aren't expensive, so I tried to train

1472
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: people to cover for me impossible task, then leave on

1473
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: my PTO.

1474
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 2: I had a great wedding and honeymoon. Congratulations.

1475
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: Nice VP called me a few times when the fourth

1476
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: guy from my sub team quit with no notice about

1477
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: a week and a half in.

1478
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: But I ignored him.

1479
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: I didn't respond.

1480
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 2: I came back refreshed and ready for the crap show

1481
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 2: I knew was waiting. It was kaos. All the salespeople

1482
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: were slacking and emailing me about all the complex things

1483
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: they needed done two weeks ago. The people I quickly

1484
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 2: trained before leaving hadn't been able to do almost anything.

1485
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I imagine those like imagine like you

1486
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: just got hired and you're like, all everything's on fire,

1487
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 2: where's everyone going?

1488
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly.

1489
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: There was a huge backlog for the entire team. As

1490
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: half of the original sixteen person team was gone. At

1491
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: this point, I turned off my Slack and emailed the

1492
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: sales vps directly asking them to give me a prioritized

1493
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: list of all the complex deals they needed done. Got

1494
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: the list and started working through it in my normal

1495
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: working hours. Nothing more.

1496
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: Boss never tried to talk to me or interfere. VP

1497
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: did a few times. At one point he tried to

1498
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: make me work weekends to catch up.

1499
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: I refused. This went on for about a month or so.

1500
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: Boss never mentioned me training people to replace my sub team,

1501
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: and I never brought it up. They did, however, have

1502
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: the larger team try some of the smaller complex projects

1503
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: to help get them out. They also hired some new

1504
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 2: people for the larger team. The normal four to six

1505
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: month training process my old boss developed was ignored and

1506
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 2: the new hires were just thrown in the deep end,

1507
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: which resulted in new hires making mistakes that cost the

1508
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: company a.

1509
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: Lot of money.

1510
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: This brought us to annual bonus and rains time. I

1511
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: had started frantically job hunting as soon as I got

1512
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,759
Speaker 2: back from the honeymoon. I got some interviews. Wasn't sane

1513
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: was in some later stages but no offers yet. I

1514
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: had a zoom meeting invite from boss to go over

1515
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: my bonus and raise. She decided it would be a

1516
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: great idea to give me eighty percent of my expected

1517
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 2: bonus low as possible, and a zero percent raise. Why huh,

1518
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,839
Speaker 2: why are we not doing what we agreed to? Justified

1519
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: it with a bunch of bs, not a team player,

1520
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 2: metrics bad, blaming me for mistakes made by new hires,

1521
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. I didn't really argue or care

1522
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: at that point. At that point, I really quiet quit,

1523
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: cut my daily output to below half, just at the

1524
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: bare bare minimum, and waited for the bonus to come

1525
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 2: in with my next paycheck two weeks later. At this point,

1526
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: the sales team is getting pissed because the complex stuff

1527
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 2: basically isn't getting done. I had almost caught up on

1528
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: the important ones before the rais and bonus, but with

1529
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: me barely work and everything was falling behind again. Smelled

1530
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 2: weakness and showed up on one of the progress calls

1531
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: I had with sales. The project was running about a

1532
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 2: week and a half behind at that point. She started

1533
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,799
Speaker 2: chewing me out on the call in front of everyone,

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01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 2: saying I was lazy and not doing my job. I

1535
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: let her rant then just said, if you give me

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01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: the lowest bonus possible and a zero percent raise, you

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01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: get zero percent effort in return. You can complete this

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01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: project since I'm so terrible at my job and left

1539
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: the call. There you go, love it. You guys already suck.

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01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: I already wanted to leave, and everyone else has already.

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01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 2: You promised me this and then take it away?

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01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, come on, I.

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01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: Mean the VP said that the boss would not interfere

1544
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: in it. This is a yeah.

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01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: Clearly. She tried a few more times on email, chains,

1546
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: et cetera to call me out for not working, and

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01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: I just replied with the same thing. I refused to

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: join her zoom calls.

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: Or respond to her on Slack and just responded with

1550
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 2: a zero percent effort blurb on every email. This infuriated her.

1551
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 2: I still hadn't gotten another job offer, but was really

1552
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: confident I was about to get one soon. So when

1553
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: VP set up a zoom call with me, I joined.

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 2: He tried to play nice and ask what the problems

1555
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 2: were and pretended to be on my side. I told him,

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01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: for a zero percent raise, I'm giving zero percent effort,

1557
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: and he pretended like he had no idea. I ended

1558
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 2: up with that raise and bonus. He asked to approve

1559
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: the bonus and raise amounts. Hmmm, it's so funny. That's

1560
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 2: so funny that you don't know.

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01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because either you're not doing your job or you

1562
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 1: did do your job and you're.

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: Trying to screamyr yeah what. I called him out on

1564
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: his ps and told him he gets what he pays for.

1565
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: He then threatened to fire me if I didn't go

1566
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: back to my old level of output, and said the

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01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: people I had been training in complex projects could take

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01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: over for me soon. So I wasn't as necessary as

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: I thought. If that was the case, you wouldn't be

1570
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: begging O Peta do all this work.

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: Literally like you tried offering so my stuff just so

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01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: that he could say, yeah, Hea nose which one?

1573
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: That's stupid?

1574
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 4: Jeez.

1575
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 2: I laughed and asked him what he was talking about.

1576
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: I hadn't been training anyone. He went quiet and muted.

1577
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: He was clearly messaging the boss asking about the training,

1578
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: because he unmuted a few minutes later and changed his

1579
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 2: entire attitude. Agreed it was awful a boss to do

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01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 2: that to my bonus and raise and ask what he

1581
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 2: could do to make it right. That is such a

1582
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 2: switch up. I didn't care at that point and knew

1583
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 2: he needed me more than I needed him. So I

1584
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: told him I need a twenty five percent raise and

1585
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty percent of the bonus on that

1586
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: new salary, or I was quitting immediately.

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01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: Boom, Yes, that's right, Yes, that's how he make the deal,

1588
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: started the deal, try to pull it out from under me.

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01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 8: Now you owe me more.

1590
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 2: He tried to say that was ridiculous and could never happen.

1592
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: So I bluffed and told him I already had another

1593
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: job and was leaving anyway. He asked me to wait

1594
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 2: and he'd bring senior VP onto the call. Senior VP

1595
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 2: tried to talk my demand down. At that point, I

1596
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: realized it wasn't worth it. I refused this significantly lower

1597
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 2: counter offer, thank the senior VP for everything he did

1598
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 2: for me, and said I was quitting immediately. VP tried

1599
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: to say, I'll never get a good reference if I

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01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: don't at least work on notice period. I just told

1601
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 2: them my ex boss would give me a glowing recommendation

1602
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: of my time here, so I didn't care and locked off.

1603
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: There we go.

1604
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: Whoo, I love it. Senior VP tried to get me

1605
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: to come back a few times over the next week

1606
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: or so, but I refused. A few weeks later, I

1607
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: got a job offer and accepted. I've been working at

1608
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: the new company for a while now and it's pretty crappy.

1609
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 2: Oh no, but better than the old company, but nowhere

1610
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 2: close to what I had before with my old boss.

1611
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 2: Although my old boss reached out and said he might

1612
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 2: have a position opening up in his new company in

1613
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 2: a month or two that I should apply for. Lovely, okay,

1614
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 2: so I'm looking forward to that. Okay, great, Wow, I

1615
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 2: was wondering.

1616
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: Now, I was like, did you know the boss we're

1617
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: retire or like new job And here we go and

1618
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:15,879
Speaker 1: it's happening.

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01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully. I really hope that this uh keeps keeps

1620
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: looking up for you. Me too, But there's a little left.

1621
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 2: I heard from people who are still on my old

1622
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: team that it's a complete disaster at my old job.

1623
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 2: They're losing millions from not having the knowledge base to

1624
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 2: correctly complete the complex projects. They reached out to the

1625
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 2: other experienced guy from the sub team and offered him

1626
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 2: a huge raise to come back after I quit. He refused,

1627
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: Everyone laughed on My old team is trying to leave asap,

1628
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 2: and everything, even the simple stuff, is week's overdue. Apparently

1629
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 2: boss is getting thrown under the bus by VP, and we'll.

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01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: Be fired soon, thank goodness.

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01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:58,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little too late, honestly.

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01:18:59,320 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1633
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 2: Like, finally, why did it take this much? I don't know,

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01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's ridiculous.

1635
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: God if if that situation with OP alone didn't do it,

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. What was the final straw?

1637
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: What broke the camel's back?

1638
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? What did the boss have to do? And that's

1639
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: the end of the story.