1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Coverage of the NFL Scouting Combine continues from the Indiana 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: Convention Center in Indianapolis. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: This is Huddle Up J P. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Shadwick, John Osier, Bucky Brooks, and Cynthia Freeland, NFL media 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: analytics expert. 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: We're running deep on the show today. Indeed, how are 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: we doing? 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 3: That's how are you? 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 4: I'm great, I'm great. It's so good to see you. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 4: I've always love working with Bucky. 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 5: You know, you guys try to steal him for most 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 5: of the season, but you know, it's fine. 14 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: It's all good. 15 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 6: He's a good draft. 16 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 4: The path to the draft, yeah, they may. 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 7: They may try and orchestrate the trade. They may try 18 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 7: and swap me out for you, Cynthia, you never know. 19 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 4: You know, I would love to come down. 20 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: To Jacksonville, nice beaches. 21 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 4: I get that quarters. 22 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: If you're well, I mean, you're not. 23 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: The first person's lead to ask. Let's start with the 24 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: thirty thousand foot view of the Jaguars eight and restart 25 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: what one in five finish and here they are nine 26 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: and eight, new defensive staff. A lot of things have happened. 27 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: So what's your view of the Jaguars heading into this offseason, I. 28 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 5: Think there's like it sounds it probably didn't feel good 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 5: as a Jags fan because you had such huge expectations 30 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 5: and it didn't match it. But I don't actually think 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 5: they're in a bad spot. Like this is much better 32 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 5: than maybe people. When you have this, you know, a 33 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 5: really important position where you throw the ball kind of 34 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 5: set makes the whole rest of the stuff work out 35 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 5: a lot better. Right, So I think it's tinkering a 36 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 5: little bit here and there. Obviously, you know, the longer 37 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 5: a coach can be with the GM can be with 38 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 5: a team that you get more on the same page 39 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 5: and make everyone kind of row the boat in the 40 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 5: same direction. When is that cheesy thing we all need 41 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 5: to row in the same direction. Yeah, exactly, row the boat. 42 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 5: But you know, I think the longer they're together, the 43 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 5: better it will. It'll improve the you know, the draft. 44 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 5: I love your analytics guy, Ryan Paganetti's the best. So 45 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of great things coming up. 46 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 6: We tend to pick apart the team we cover in fans, 47 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 6: pick apart the negatives, and Trevor struggled in the last 48 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 6: four or five games this season, mostly I think because 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 6: the injuries again from the thirty thousand foot view of 50 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 6: somebody who doesn't see him every week, but who is 51 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 6: looking at him in comparison to the rest of the league. 52 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 6: To talk about Trevor a little bit. 53 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think maybe he gets underrated because like when 54 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 5: you have the in the same division, the expectations for CJ. 55 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 5: Stroud last year were nowhere near where they ended up being, 56 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 5: Like everyone thought the Texans were gonna be like two games, 57 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 5: three games, and so it ends in the same division 58 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 5: and it just feels different, right, like they have this 59 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 5: big change reset. You know, obviously everyone's looking at the 60 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 5: quarterback position there for all the reasons that we can name, 61 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: but it worked out really well for them, and that 62 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 5: just feels like this weird comparison right next to a 63 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 5: team that literally had like the most impressive playoff victory 64 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 5: just the season prior. So it was like, I think 65 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 5: that's where people maybe like it's easy to pick. Of course, 66 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 5: you love something, I want to pick it apart. You 67 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 5: want to know everything about it. But I think it 68 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 5: like dialing it back a little bit, a little bit healthier, 69 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 5: a better old line, I'm sorry, fixed a little and 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 5: then another year of you know, I would like Doug 71 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 5: Peters in the cold place. I'm not in charge here, 72 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 5: but you know, I think that that would be a 73 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 5: really good thing. 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 7: For for Trevor the office line Dog Peters, Taylor. 75 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 5: I'm just saying, why wouldn't I Why would I want 76 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 5: to take? Like like if I've got Doug Peterson, I 77 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 5: want him to tell me what to do? 78 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 4: Like, why would I? 79 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 5: I got the maserati, I don't know the fancy cars. 80 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 5: I'm not drying the prius, you know what I mean, Like, 81 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 5: I'm not saying these priests. 82 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to go carnalga. 83 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: But I get it. 84 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 7: So in thinking about that, because you briefly talked about 85 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 7: the landscape, like at quarterback in this division, we talked 86 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 7: about three young quarterbacks and then Trevor Lawrence is like 87 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 7: the established quarterback, right, so like let's let's let's talk 88 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 7: about the quarterbacks in the division. Like how does Trevor 89 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 7: stuck out with C. J. Stroud and Anthony Richardson and 90 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 7: Will Lefsley? How do you expect that to continue to 91 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 7: play out? 92 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: I think this is like a low key good quarterback division. 93 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 5: You know, Anthony Richardson will come back and hopefully remain healthy. 94 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 5: We were high on him draft last year. It was 95 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 5: a promising start. I would love to see it continue, 96 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 5: but I don't know who he is yet, like I 97 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 5: and I don't think anyone can. 98 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 4: Like it's exciting, but I don't. He just hasn't played enough. 99 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 4: We don't know. I think C. J. 100 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 5: Stroud really benefits from you know, obviously Bobby slow draw johnsonthing. 101 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 5: All of that infrastructure that's in place to help him 102 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: really succeed was part and parcel to what I mean. 103 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 5: He's awesome on it on his own, but everyone needs 104 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 5: the surrounding cast to make them better as well. 105 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: So that's interesting to me. I don't know what. 106 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on in Tennessee. Like I 107 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 5: don't know what I'm gonna see, Like I know that's 108 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 5: a big arm. No yeah, yeah, but but I but again, 109 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 5: it's like we it's kind of unfair with him too, 110 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 5: because like that was a weird end of the year. 111 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: No, yeah, I mean like. 112 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: Weird like weirdness. 113 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 6: I don't know. 114 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: I'm not in the building. 115 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 5: I don't know what the like, I don't have a 116 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 5: but it's just like it felt weird from the outside, 117 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 5: So okay, you know, I wasn't expecting like Rabel not 118 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 5: to be there. So now we reset, we you know, 119 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 5: center on things they don't have. They've got a lot 120 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 5: of money, the Titans, so they can whatever. But I'm 121 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 5: happy with old man Trevor if I'm old the old 122 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 5: grampa of the of the division. 123 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland with us, this is huddle up? Where are 124 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: you with? Calvin Ridley? 125 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: And this the offensive weaponry around Trevor, And you know, 126 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: it felt like it was a totally different offense when 127 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: Christian Kirk was out of the equation, Say Jones was 128 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: injured a lot of the year, and then Calvin Ridley 129 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: is the guy that's coming up to free agency. 130 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 4: I like Calvin Ridley. 131 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 5: I'm I'm a fan of his ability to run super 132 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 5: CHRISP Pristine routes. He's been that way since he was 133 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 5: in college. He was that way, and it like that 134 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 5: is what this man can do. So I think it's 135 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 5: it's all gonna come down to figuring out. 136 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 4: Like they've got. 137 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone really anticipated the cap being 138 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 5: as high as it is. I think, you know, most 139 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 5: people thought it would be fifteen twenty million more dollars 140 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 5: thirty is a lot. 141 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, you get a little more wiggle room. 142 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 5: That all changes the dynamics of free agency, and it 143 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 5: changes the dynamics of the draft. This isn't as deep 144 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 5: of a wide receiver draft as we've seen in recent seasons. 145 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 3: Ray Bucky is not is not as deep at the 146 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: top like some guys at the top. 147 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 5: And then it's just kind of narrow zough exactly like 148 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 5: before you were like there's like legit like six seven 149 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 5: guys who are pretty darn good, right, So you know 150 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: this year it's just not as deep. So it's all 151 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 5: about replacement value as well, So like what do you 152 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 5: what do you like? How much are you gonna pay 153 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 5: for it? Versus what it's cause it's never like him 154 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 5: or like justin Jefferson. 155 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 4: You know, it's not it's not like. 156 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 5: You're choosing between like like that's not the math, right, 157 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 5: It's like how do we get how much did we 158 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 5: get him for? And then what's what is the how 159 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: do we fill out the rest of the pieces around 160 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 5: the roster as well? 161 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 6: Do you have any thoughts? Ryan Nielsen comes in love 162 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 6: Ryan Nielsen, super smart, but then your thoughts. 163 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 5: Well, look what happened in Atlanta last Yeah, I mean obviously, 164 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,679 Speaker 5: like you know, Saints, the pedigrees there, the right pieces. 165 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: But I don't know if last year this time Atlanta 166 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 5: fans were thinking, like, you know, our defense is actually 167 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 5: going to be like one of the strongest that we've 168 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 5: seen in quite some time. 169 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 4: I don't think people were saying that. 170 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: And what makes them special it was figuring out how 171 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 5: to create a pass rush without having premiere as the 172 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 5: amount of premier pass rushers that other teams have. It 173 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 5: was leveraging the spine of the defense and getting Jesse 174 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 5: Bates and figuring out how to this. The middle of 175 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 5: that defense was very, very like they understood the assignment 176 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 5: and it worked out right. The spine of the defense 177 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 5: was right. 178 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 7: Now to fine of the defense definitely was right. He 179 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 7: comes in a lot of energy, a lot of enthusiasm. 180 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 7: He's talked about being able to kind of create a scheme. 181 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, the plays to the players. 182 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 7: So when you look at the success that Atlanta Falcus, 183 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 7: what was kind of like the biggest im by the quicker. 184 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: Quick rise to the top. 185 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 5: I think it was getting the right veterans in place 186 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 5: to teach the people who were like not like like 187 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 5: a slightly above average, but like not but younger, right, Like, 188 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 5: It's like if you get the guys who are like 189 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 5: better than average and younger, but you get the scheme 190 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 5: and they're on the same page, then you actually have 191 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 5: a really good team as opposed to like, you know, 192 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: you don't need you need some stars, but you don't 193 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 5: need all stars along the front. You need people who 194 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: get it and know where they're supposed to go and 195 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: how to react and how to how to make things 196 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: like understand the assignment and execute. 197 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: Cynthia, always great to see. 198 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: You're a popular person here on radio Row, so you've 199 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: got places to be and go. 200 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: Oh, we appreciate you taking. 201 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: The while I appreciate hanging out with you guys. I'm 202 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: never too listen. 203 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 5: I'm very popular obviously, just kidding nowhere near you, Bucky. 204 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 5: This is the first time BUCkies had like even five 205 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 5: minutes for me since. 206 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: Going on. 207 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: He's the king of the combine. 208 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 5: People were like, hey, there's a throwne over there that 209 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 5: buffys and like, actually it is, so thanks for letting me. 210 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: Oh, good back with more in a moment. This is 211 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: Huddle Up. Welcome back. 212 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: Huddle Up continues from the Indiana Convention Center. 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Ryan Nielson coming in to I 225 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 7: would say upgrade the defense because for a while there 226 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 7: to beginning of the season, the defense was kind of 227 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 7: carrying the team by the offense was going through his struggles. 228 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 3: But now it's about the consistency. 229 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 7: You talk about just eliminating some of the things that 230 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 7: plagued the team. So a better pass rush and more 231 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 7: consistent pass rush. We saw trevoron Walking and Josh Allen 232 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 7: have success. Need to find another pass rush to be 233 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 7: able to compete at a high level and then in 234 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 7: the secondary, what is going to be like the style 235 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 7: that is preferred in the back end? 236 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: Are they gonna be an off team that. 237 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 7: Plays soft coverage, keep everything in front, and then in 238 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 7: the red zone they use tricks and gadgets to kind 239 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 7: of keep people from scoring touchdowns. Or are they going 240 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 7: to challenge people at the line of scrimmage? Your Nilsen 241 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 7: and his introductory pressor talk about being nosed to nose, 242 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 7: taking away some of the easy throws but not giving 243 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 7: up the deep ball. Sounds great in theory, but can 244 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 7: he get it done with this secondary as is presently constructed. 245 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody would like to do that, right, Yeah, So 246 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 6: does the personnel in your opinion? Can it play that? 247 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 6: They need to add it in the draft. How do 248 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 6: they get there? 249 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think some of the personnel definitely 250 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 7: can play that. When you think about Tyson Hamlet, like, 251 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 7: he is definitely more comfortable being nosed to those That's 252 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 7: how he played at Georgia. 253 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: So he wants to be a bump and run corner. 254 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 7: Is one of the reasons why he didn't have a 255 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 7: lot of interceptions in college because his back was always 256 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 7: to throw and he would make late breaks and late 257 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 7: breakups on the past. Darius Williams is one who is 258 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 7: really comfortable playing off, but he can go and challenge 259 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 7: people knows the knows. I would think that maybe you 260 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 7: bring in another corner because even though Antonio Johnson is 261 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 7: slotted in to be a noooker, you still need to 262 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 7: have more guys on the outside that can line up 263 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 7: and play the style that they're talking about playing. I 264 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 7: think the biggest edition would be Christopher Shard because as 265 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 7: much as Nilsen would talk about what he wants to do, 266 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 7: Christopher Shard would be tasked with getting the secondary to 267 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 7: be able to execute it at a high level. Has 268 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 7: success back in his day with the Legion of Boom 269 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 7: in Seattle, has done a really good job of developing 270 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 7: people young defensive backs throughout his tenure. Can't he get 271 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 7: this group to go from good to great? That would 272 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 7: be the key to whether this defense plays at high level? 273 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 6: How tricky is it? 274 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: Draft? 275 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 6: In theory draft seventeenth overall pick, drafted corner and it's 276 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 6: easy on paper to say, well that guy comes in 277 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 6: any place nickel, then he kicks outside to outside the 278 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 6: next year. But my experience is Nickel and outside can 279 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 6: be different skill sets. So is it hard to automatically 280 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 6: ask the guy that you think can be a starter 281 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 6: long term outside to come in and be a nickel, 282 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 6: which to me is a guy who has to have 283 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 6: awareness all that stuff. Is that tricky? 284 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 7: It is tricky? You know, there are two ways to 285 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 7: think about the nickel position. Normally, your best player, your 286 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 7: most experienced player, goes in the nickel because you have 287 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 7: to deal with all of the stuff. You're a half linebacker, 288 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 7: half safety, corner or whatever, so it requires you to 289 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 7: know a lot about defensive ball, and so you want 290 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 7: someone who has played a lot of snaps to kind 291 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 7: of be in there. It's hard for a young player 292 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 7: that jump in there. And so what you would do 293 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 7: in a perfect world, one of those guys Campbell Williams 294 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 7: would kick into the slot. The new corner would come 295 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 7: and play right corner because that's the corner that doesn't 296 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 7: see as many throws, and then you're. 297 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: Able to play that way. 298 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 7: It's hard to see with what But that's not how 299 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 7: we're president constructed. So you have to make a decision. 300 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 7: Am I going to just draft the skill set? Am 301 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 7: I going to draft someone who's very comfortable inside? In 302 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 7: the nickel or is a situation where maybe we feel 303 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 7: good about the starting lineup, whereas Williams it's Antonio Johnson 304 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 7: and Nickel. It's Campbell draft a long term situation because 305 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 7: Williams and Campbell are free agents next year. Have someone 306 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 7: that can come in, maybe in the dime package when 307 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 7: they go six defensive backs. Let them get some experience 308 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 7: so then next year they're ready to play as a 309 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 7: full time starter at one of those outside spots. 310 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 6: Hard to see a number seventeen pick being a six defensive. 311 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: Won't be a six. 312 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 7: He won't be a six he can There are ways, 313 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 7: there's ways you can rotate those guys in big nickel, 314 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 7: little nickel. You can change the configuration where you get 315 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 7: enough snaps to justify the pick. 316 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a tricky spot though. It is definitely a 317 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 6: tricky draft as star. 318 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, as we're presently constructed, because the other thing would 319 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 7: be like how do you move all the pieces around? 320 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 7: Because Wingard has been a guy that's kind of floated 321 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 7: around and do something. Some games he's a nickel, other 322 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 7: games he's uh the ornament atop to Christmas Tree. A 323 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 7: lot of it depends on how good do you feel 324 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 7: about a can we get one of these guys to 325 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 7: go inside and play? A lot of that to be 326 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 7: determined in OTAs and those things. 327 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 6: But the ornament a top the Christmas tree. 328 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, but the deep post player, yeah, you gotta be 329 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: able to you know deep. 330 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: The other I don't know. 331 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 5: Uh. 332 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: The other part of the conversation with Cynthia a moment 333 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: ago was wide receiver and Calvin Ridley and and to 334 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: her point and john't know, You've made a similar point before. 335 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: I mean, if you give up a. 336 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: Thousand yards and what eight touchdowns he had, you got 337 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: to find those numbers somewhere. And are you confident you 338 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: can find them on the current team. Probably not right, 339 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: So you got to go out and find that somewhere. 340 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: So from Ridley's perspective, he'll be one of, if not 341 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: the top wide receiver and free agency if he goes 342 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: to the marketplace. 343 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: Uh. 344 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: The strategy of franchise tagging they have till March fifth. 345 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: I know the conversations are ongoing, Buck, but this is 346 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: a fluid situation. It sounds like they want him back 347 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: from hearing them on the podium. 348 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: The other day. 349 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I think they definitely want him back. When 350 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 7: when the salary cap jumped up, it made it very 351 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 7: easy to envision Josh Allen returning, Calvin Ridley returning, and 352 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 7: the team keeping Cam Robinson. Before when you think about 353 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 7: it being only an addition of fifteen versus thirty, you 354 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 7: didn't know what's gonna happen. And now you can bring 355 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 7: all those guys back, and I think it's necessary to 356 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 7: bring Calvin back because what it's going to do's gonna 357 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 7: give you the continuity on the outside. We really did 358 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 7: get a chance to see the much hype wide receiver 359 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 7: corps play together due to injuries. You would like to 360 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 7: see what it looks like with Christian Kirk, Calvin Ridley, 361 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 7: Zay Jones, and Evan Ingram on the field for significant games. 362 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: Chemistry like two your you would like to see how 363 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: that works. 364 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 7: And we talked about the offense worst best operating inside 365 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 7: out with Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk kind of setting 366 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 7: the table, then Calvin having something in, Zay Jones. 367 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: Filling it and some of the else. You would like 368 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: to see that play out. 369 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 7: You would like to see Dustin have an entire offseason 370 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 7: where Trevor Lawrence and those guys can have. 371 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: The continuity, So you have to figure out a way 372 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: to get it done. 373 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 7: And I think it's interesting that Trent said, don't worry 374 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 7: about the draft compensation. That's right, because we can talk 375 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 7: about second round pick, third round pick or whatever. I 376 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 7: do know this, if you have multiple twos, you can 377 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 7: get the multiple threes, you can get the two back. 378 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 7: You can trade away to two threes and get a 379 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 7: two back if that's what you're worried about. And so 380 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 7: that's not the thing. The main thing is you want 381 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 7: to get Calvin done. So if you're gonna use the 382 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 7: franchise tag on Josh Allen, he doesn't hit the market. 383 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: But the clock is taken in we only have a 384 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: couple of days. 385 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 6: Top of the Christmas tree. Yeah, that's where it's taken apparently, so. 386 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: The ornament Christmas. 387 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. 388 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: And then of course quarterback play Trevor Lawrence h of course, 389 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: Doug Peterson was asked about that. He is the guy, 390 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: and they've got to do a better job in situational 391 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: football with him, kind of keep him. 392 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 7: I would say, I would say the lesson to be 393 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 7: learned becau as coaches always learned from playoff experiences in 394 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 7: those things after watching the San Francisco forty nine ers 395 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 7: have issues with the overtime rules. You will see a 396 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 7: more concerted effort to talk to the team about all 397 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 7: situations because a team may have lost a Super Bowl 398 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 7: because they were unaware of some of the minor details. 399 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 7: I would think that Doug Peterson will kind of pick 400 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 7: up on that and say, Hey, here's what we're gonna do. 401 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 7: We're gonna make sure we explain all these situations to 402 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 7: the team. We're gonna talk to the team about red 403 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 7: zone goal shortyards when we can extend the ball over 404 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 7: the line because we saw that come up in the 405 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 7: playoffs and it costs to Baltimore Ravens. All of those 406 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 7: things will now be talked about because you can't assume 407 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 7: that just because the player has been in the league for. 408 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: Some time that they know everything. 409 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 7: So this will not saying dummy down, but you go 410 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 7: back to high school and just make sure everything is 411 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 7: clearly communicated. So there aren't any great areas when it 412 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 7: comes to how we play in what we want to 413 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 7: do well. 414 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 6: And if there's been an area where Trevor needs to improve, 415 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 6: it's been that not that he's bad in situations, but 416 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 6: as a first, second, third year guy. He's still learning 417 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 6: those situations. I think situation. 418 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: You could be. 419 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 6: You could argue that some of that causes the fumbles, 420 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 6: you know, knowing sort of when to give up on 421 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 6: a play, sort of being a little more aware there. 422 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 6: I don't think it makes him a bad player that 423 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 6: he hasn't gotten through it yet because he's a young player. 424 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 6: But as you move into fourth, fifth, sixth year, those 425 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 6: need to be more veteran guy things that he does. 426 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 6: So far, it's felt like young guy a lot. 427 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 7: Yes, And I will say this and looking at Pat 428 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 7: mahomes continued development. Everyonet to talk about the talent, the 429 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 7: best thing to talent that Pat Mahomes has done. 430 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: He's also he's always. 431 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 7: Retained the game change your thing, but he's become a 432 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 7: better game manager. One of the reasons why the Kinsey 433 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 7: the Chiefs were able to go on is yes, his 434 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 7: spectacular talent, but the way that he was able to 435 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 7: change his approach based on the team that he had 436 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 7: around him. When he had guys that were having problems 437 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 7: catching the ball in the offense wasn't as dynamic, he 438 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 7: learned how to play more small ball deak and dunk. 439 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 7: They took care of the ball in the postseason. It 440 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 7: is now challenging Trevor to understand the situation but also 441 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 7: understand what you have around them the circumstances. Some games 442 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 7: you have to step it up, other games dial it 443 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 7: back because it were good enough to be able to 444 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 7: win it because the defense is playing well. Just understanding 445 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 7: all of those things comes with the experience as he 446 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 7: develops to expertise and being a franchise quarterback. 447 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: All right, till I got you know from the docket. 448 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 3: Okay, you about christ Yeah, Christe got put ornamentself. 449 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: What a week. Nice to see you in. 450 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 3: Person, man, it was great being there, right, all right, 451 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 3: let's do it. 452 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: Let's do it next week online. 453 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 3: Okay, let's do it. Mr Zoom call. 454 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: It'll be a podcast on the next week. 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