1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Bridgewater is a production of I Heart Radio three D 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Audio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey For a 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: full exposure listen with headphones. Listener discretion advised, y wake up? 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: What what? What is it? What hear? What the hell 5 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: is that? What is it? Is it? A bear? A 6 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: bear in the swamp? I think that's in the cooler. 7 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: I told you we should have brought it inside with us. 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: We barely have enough room as it is. Can you 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: just what scare it off? Oh my god, Okay, okay, fine, fine, yeah, yeah, 10 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's just it's just, oh my god, what 11 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: is it? That is not a berry? The surviving camper 12 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: does not appear to be seriously injured aside from a 13 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: large hand friend shaped group. The camper claimed they were 14 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: attacked by quote a huge, hairy bigfoot. An official from 15 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: the Department of Parks and Recreations then this is the 16 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: first very related death in the area since and would 17 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: caution visitors to always keep an eye out for wildlife 18 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: and camping, and to not leave smoked out they can't 19 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: attract animals. As for any big food dangerous, well, it 20 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: would see the first time when someone made that claim. 21 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: You're in tok box. Yes, Peyton Blake, you must be 22 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: vipping Corona. Thank you for meeting me. Yeah. Well, Jeremy 23 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: assured me he wasn't just sending the B team to 24 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: chat because he couldn't be bothered. So I assume you 25 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Wow, Okay, that is hostile 26 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: way to introduce yourself to someone. Excuse me for being blunt, 27 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: but there aren't a lot of people that I trust 28 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: with discussing these matters openly, but you trust Jeremy here. 29 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Your first meeting was a bit of a I understand 30 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Jeremy's stake in all of this. He's connected to the 31 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: other side, whether he likes it or not. You I 32 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: don't know or the nature of your interest in this. 33 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm getting my PhD in mythology and I've just discovered 34 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: that magic and monsters are real? Is that a good 35 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: enough reason? So? Academic curiosity is why you wanted to 36 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: talk to me. The truth is why I wanted to 37 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: talk to you. Why did you want to talk to 38 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: Jeremy to get him to accept the truth that Thomas 39 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: needs to go back into the what did you call it? 40 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: The liminal? That Jeremy is in possession of a gift 41 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: that was never meant to be given. Okay, I know 42 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: we're still not totally sold on her, but it really 43 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: seems like we'd be dead if it wasn't for Peyton. Really, 44 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: I thought you were perfectly capable of fighting big monsters. Look, look, 45 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm sorry about the other day. Okay, I shouldn't have 46 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: been so hard on you. No, I get it. You've 47 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: been a cop your whole life, and you probably see 48 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: what I do is frivolous. It clearly isn't. Your knowledge 49 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: about this stuff might save our lives. It might save 50 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, well it didn't serve me any good 51 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: against that Howler. Well god, I mean, there have been 52 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: sightings a bigfoot for years around here, but there never 53 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: been a death. It's just these scattered bits of evidence 54 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: over time, what kind of evidence, like I don't know, 55 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, large bipedal footprints, which obviously plenty of hoaxers 56 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: who created in the past in order to drum out 57 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: press or attention and just for the sheer joy of 58 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: pranking people. But now, but now, all of it feels 59 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: like an indicator of something much much more dangerous than 60 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: any popular conception of a sad squatch. I don't understand 61 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: how it could have come back so quickly from the 62 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: other side. I don't either. Maybe Peyton didn't banish it 63 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: properly or funk, I don't know. Maybe the fay Realm 64 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: is able to send it right out again. It's I 65 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: could Those ruined carvings are the only protection we have 66 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: right now. So if they barely give us any time 67 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: to breathe, and there's also no reason to think that 68 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: there's only one of these monsters. Is that supposed to 69 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: be comforting? If if, if, if we can't spend all 70 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: of our time waiting for the worst thing to happen. 71 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: The worst has happened. Jeremy, someone is dead. Listen. I'm 72 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: just saying, we have to look at what's right in 73 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: front of us, Okay, we have to gather as much 74 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: information as we can right now. Vippen is talking to Peyton, 75 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: Anna and Olivia are Is Vippen talking to Peyton? What? 76 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: What do you mean that she's trying to get more 77 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: specifics from her on what the gathering might know. I 78 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: think she told us everything that she knows. He shouldn't 79 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: have bothered with her. Well, she actually reached out to me. 80 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: She wanted to talk to me for some reason. What why, 81 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. So I told her 82 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: that she could say whatever it was to Vippen and 83 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: he wanted to meet her anywhere. Are you okay? What's 84 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: going on? I'm fine? Are you sure? You seem it's 85 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: just look, I don't want us running around in circles, 86 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: that's all. I just feel like we're going in circles. 87 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: I actually think the problem is we haven't found any circles. Oh, 88 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: you think you're funny to look. It was a long 89 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: shot anyways, but it shouldn't have been right. Like, we 90 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: know for a fact that Alden got lost somewhere around here, 91 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: and there's no way he could have wandered all the 92 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: way to Freetown. And Thomas said that Alden remembers walking 93 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: into a forest. So it's not like we combed through 94 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: every bush. Rehoba State Forest is like half a square mile. Okay. 95 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: We searched the whole thing, like I know, it was 96 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: eighty years ago, but I was hoping for something, a 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: circle of mushrooms, a weird path of flowers, out of 98 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: place tree, doorway to another world. What if it wasn't 99 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: even about the mushroom circle. Mushrooms grow in weird formations 100 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: all the time, and just because it's stuck out in 101 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: Alden's mind doesn't mean that's the way he got taken 102 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: in What if it was something even more innocuous, then 103 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: we might have walked right past the evidence and not 104 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: even known it exactly. I just I want to know 105 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: where the tracks are, because then I won't fall in Honny. 106 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a straightforward as that live. You know, 107 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: you have to be willing, or you're supposed to be willing, 108 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: and you know well enough not to go following strange 109 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: voices in the woods. Yeah, except that's all we're actually doing. 110 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: I was starting to think maybe there was some kind 111 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: of Ragi Hoskins family curse. But maybe it's just the 112 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: way we are, like something in our blood that makes 113 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: us want to walk right into places we shouldn't. I 114 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: don't think that's just a Bradshaw Hoskins straight Plenty of 115 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: folks would say the exact same thing about me. Yeah, 116 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: so we've got a doubly bad first Thomas and Jeremy, 117 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: then Ethan. I mean, who's next. Jeremy didn't get taken, 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: but you don't think he's just wandered off to you. No, 119 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: the messed up thing is part of me wants to 120 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: see it, see what the other side. Oh live, Let mean, 121 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: come on, are you curious us? It's like Narnia, Evil Narnia. 122 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean Narnia was kind of evil Narnia during the 123 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: whole Eternal Winter bit Live Live. I'm not saying I'm 124 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: gonna go doing a weird sacrificial ritual to try and 125 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: walk through the wardrobe or anything. I'm just saying that 126 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: impulse is there. Maybe that's why our family has been 127 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: so easy to lure, because there's something in us that 128 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: already wants to go. But people don't even get to 129 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: the other side. They get stuck in between. And I 130 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: think we both know that that's not an enviable fate. Now, 131 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: people don't get to the other side as far as 132 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: we know. But it's not like you can send it 133 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: text back and say hey, I'm in fairy Lamb. They 134 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: got great food here, never coming back, so we would 135 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: never know text. It was a joke. No, no, I know, 136 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: but it made me think there's a question we haven't 137 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: been asking. All right, fine, you've got questions, ask them. 138 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: How does the Gathering know about the Fayrell, about the Deal, 139 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,239 Speaker 1: about any of it. It's the whole reason the Gathering exists. 140 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: What the Gathering is just the most current iteration of 141 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: a community that's been an operation in one form or 142 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: another for centuries, stewards of the gate between worlds. You're 143 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: telling me there's an exclusive club that's been around for 144 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: hundreds of years that controls mystical forces. You know how 145 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: that sounds, right? I do. And it's not like that. 146 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: There's no controlling this thing. There's just knowledge. Oh and 147 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: human sacrifice to some kind of other worldly force that 148 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: has to be appeased for the last time. It is 149 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: not human sacrifice. Oh, so the Gathering is the one 150 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: group in the entire world who knows about magic, and 151 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: it's entirely up to them to keep the tenuous veil 152 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: from ripping open and unleashing some kind of fairy chaos. 153 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: Do you want me to tell you what I know? 154 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: Or do you just wanted to ride my work and 155 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: get out whatever frustration that's pent up? Okay, you have 156 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: to understand that this is all a bit well, I mean, 157 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: you weren't born knowing the stuff, right, At some point 158 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: you have to be told. That's true, but I was 159 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: told so young that it feels like I basically was 160 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: born with this knowledge. My father was the Virginia chapter 161 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: leader before me. I've been going to gathering meetings my 162 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: whole life. Saw a snally gaster for the first time 163 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: when I was twelve, learned about the deal. When I 164 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: was sixteen, you saw a snally caster, a real snally Custer, 165 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: like the reptile bird thing with the tentacles and all, Yeah, 166 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: what did you? I mean, how how did you kill it? 167 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: My dad did? The veil there gets really weak at 168 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: random times and places. It's even more fickle than here, 169 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: or at least it had been. So it wasn't like 170 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: there was something wrong with the liminal. No, our rituals 171 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: have moved like clockwork for at least the last century. 172 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: But that's not the only way stuff slips through. Too 173 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: much occult or pagan activity, everything from wickens doing their 174 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: normal practice and not realizing it's having side effects, to 175 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: a group of people on a ghost tour that are 176 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: buying into the stories a little too much. It can 177 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: all leave the door. Ajar, Wait, so are you saying 178 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: that the gate is opened by belief and closed by 179 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: belief as well. Why do you think there were so 180 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: many reports of the supernatural in the past. It was 181 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: more accepted, more people actually believed, so more stuff bled through. 182 00:11:53,320 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Chicken and egg, round and round. What It's just, it's ridiculous, 183 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: like clap if you believe in fairies and they'll stay alive, 184 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, Peter Pan got everything else wrong. 185 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: But all stories have a grain of truth in them, right, 186 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: even if it's a really tiny grain of truth. I 187 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to believe before, before I knew any of 188 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: it was real. I really wanted to believe, to experience 189 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: something that defied explanation, and then to be the one 190 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: to find the explanation. You didn't break the gates wide open. 191 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: Don't worry. One person can't do all that much except 192 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: close the gate by giving themselves over to the liminal. Yeah, 193 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: except that, I don't get it if the gathering knows 194 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: all of this wide and Celeste just tell us, and 195 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: how did she get the ritual wrong? Secrets are order 196 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: to keep the more people you tell only gathering leadership 197 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: is told the truth by the outgoing leaders, and chapters 198 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: don't communicate as much with each other as we should. 199 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: But Celeste was a leader. Something something went wrong here, Yeah, 200 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: no kidding. From what I understand, things sort of fractured 201 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: here in the seventies. Yeah, there was an offshoot, the 202 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: Children of Titchiba. They were more on the side of 203 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: propping the door open for good. That happens, that happens 204 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: bad leaders have been chosen. Sometimes someone finds out about 205 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: the other world and kind of loses it, And that's 206 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: what you think the Children of Tichibo was. I think 207 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: after the children, everything here broke down. No one knew 208 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: how things were supposed to go. So when it came 209 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: time to keep the fay Realm happy, no one knew how. Okay, 210 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: But how does that work? If all it takes is 211 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: one person to not pass down the information for everything 212 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: to go hey wire, then how are we not constantly 213 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: on the verge of collapse? Who says we aren't think 214 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: about it? There are still sightings and encounters all over 215 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: the world all the time. People see Bigfoot, they think 216 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: they've been abducted by aliens. Boats disappear at sea, kids 217 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: go missing. Most of the time those things are the 218 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: result of human behavior or cruelty, but sometimes sometimes it's 219 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: the other side. Bleeding through. And how many of these 220 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: gates are in the world? Does every state have them? 221 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: Every country? I have no idea. I know I seem 222 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: like I'm an expert, but I'm not. I'm an expert 223 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: in my area, and I'm tapped in just enough to 224 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: know that something was really wrong up here. But there 225 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: is so much of the picture that I don't see right. 226 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: But what about your dad. I'm assuming he's retired now, 227 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: but he must have learned a lot when he was 228 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: a leader. He's not retired, he's gone. Oh, I'm so sorry. 229 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: We knew it was coming. He was sick. No, he left. 230 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: That's how it works in Virginia. Becoming leader of the 231 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: gathering means eventually stepping into the liminal. What so he 232 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: was the volunteer. Yeah, it's cleaner that way. The secret 233 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: gets kept and no one ends up in a place 234 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: they don't want to. The leader gets to prepare their 235 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: successor before they go, and they know they'll eventually be 236 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: replaced in the liminal. Replaced What does that mean? It's 237 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: a temporary center and they move on, move on where 238 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: that I definitely don't know. Maybe just death, whatever that is. 239 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: My dad always thought it meant going over to the 240 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: other side completely, living in the Kingdom. I think he 241 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: liked the idea of being in a magical world, monsters 242 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: and all. I'm kind of hoping for disappearing entirely. I 243 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: don't know that I'm on board for eternal life in 244 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: some other place. You you're the replacement. So the story goes, what, 245 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: why in the world would you agree to that. I 246 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: get to live a full life before then, have a 247 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: family if I want, mentor someone protect the world, and 248 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to die anyway, so this is just adding 249 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: a pit stop. Thomas said it didn't feel like forty years. 250 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: It felt shorter. It's unclear. I think he couldn't tell. 251 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: I think sometimes it felt endless with that because he 252 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: didn't age. It also felt like no time at all. 253 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: But I'm sure it's different for every person. Well, he's 254 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: the only one who's ever come out after going in, 255 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: so he's probably the best source of intel I'm going 256 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: to get. Look, I know you want him to go back. 257 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: I don't want anything except for the deal to be 258 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: honored and the gate to be shut. Someone else wants 259 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: to go in, they are more than welcome to. But 260 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: what kind of life could he have now, Really, he's 261 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: been declared dead for decades. He can't undeclare himself without 262 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: becoming some sort of government pincushion. And people steal identities, 263 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, sure, But then what he watches his son 264 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: most likely die before him. He loses his wife before 265 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: he's even fifty. They never actually got married, and and Thomas, 266 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's not my point. And they seem pretty 267 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: till death do us part regardless, and one of their 268 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: deaths is going to come a lot sooner than the others. 269 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: But he barely got to live the first time. He 270 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: has a daughter and a grandson. He has never met 271 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: a son who's grown up without him, and that will 272 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: never not be a tragedy. But he can't get it back. 273 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: Even if he had the whole happy family unit in place, 274 00:18:47,040 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: he would never get that time back. So I was 275 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: thinking maybe tonight you and I could go out, grab 276 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: a beer, get a burger somewhere. Uh. I have thought 277 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: that you would want to go back to Anne and 278 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: and and share what we found. And I think we 279 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: can take one night off without the world ending. Well 280 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: that's a very different tune from what you were singing earlier. Look, 281 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: I just I don't know how much time I have that. Please, 282 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: please don't talk like that. No matter what happens, I 283 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: want to make sure to spend time with my son. 284 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: Maybe we can even make it a new tradition. Pick 285 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: a place, go there every week, just the two of us. 286 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: That does sound good, That sounds great. It'll take a 287 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: while for me to catch up on all that I've missed. 288 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: I want to hear about California and Oxford and and 289 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: she's everything. Really, Uh god, I don't know where to start. 290 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, there's not a lot to tell. I'm 291 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: afraid I spent most of my time in California and 292 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: Oxford in class. Well, I want to hear all about it. 293 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: Maybe I could even come out to one of your lectures. Yeah, 294 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: that might have to wait. My students this semester are 295 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: are well aware enough of who you are that I'm 296 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: not sure that they'd be fooled with your updated haircut. Fine, Nick, semester. Then, 297 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: and in the meantime, you can tell me what you 298 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: do outside of teaching, you mean, like now present day? Yeah, 299 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: we still have about a half a mile. Uh Yeah. 300 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I go to conferences sometimes I meet with other academics 301 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: swap research. Um, I don't know. There's usually some kind 302 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: of faculty gathering once a semester um, but you know, 303 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: school and uh, I've been working on the book. So 304 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: these things to keep me pretty busy. How about friends? Uh? 305 00:20:52,760 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: Not a girlfriend? Huh? Oh yeah, I've never been much 306 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: of a I don't know. I guess I'm not a 307 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: super social person. And and dating it just always have 308 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: felt like it's too I don't know, it's more trouble 309 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: in his worth. Dating must have changed. You never wanted 310 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: to get married have a family. I just never. I 311 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: haven't met anyone that I had interest in sharing my 312 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: whole life with. And I don't think I would honestly 313 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: make a very good father. Uh what about you? What 314 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, God, you must be dying for human interaction 315 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: after having spent forty years with a kid. I've always 316 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: loved kids before. You were my favorite person to spend 317 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: time with. M I was a baby, I was, I 318 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: was a toddler. I mean it's not not not famously 319 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: good demo for conversations. You were wonderful, curious, You're funny, 320 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: always loving, You were so open, so giving kids off 321 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: an arm. But it was like nothing scared you, kind 322 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: of like nothing could hurt you. I have this like 323 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: memory of of just a feeling so safe when I 324 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: was with you, And now, um, I'm not sure what 325 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: you mean. Did I then what happened? Um? You're not 326 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: that open and trusting boy anymore. I mean, from what 327 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: you just said, you've kept yourself guarded alone. It feels 328 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: like that's because I left. Well first of all, that 329 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: you didn't leave. But it's still my fault. Isn't it 330 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: that you don't have a full life, that you're unhappy? 331 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: WHOA who said I'm not happy. My life is plentiful. 332 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: Just because it doesn't look the same as yours or 333 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: what you may be expected for me doesn't mean that 334 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm not fulfilled. So you are fulfilled. You're not lonely 335 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: or wanting. Yeah, I mean, of course there are things 336 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: that I want or or ways that things could be better. 337 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: But you didn't condemn me to some life of misery 338 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: because you don't because you because you went missing. Plenty 339 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: of people grow up without two parents and they turn 340 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: out just fine. I know I was one of them, 341 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: but that's not It wasn't just about me going away. 342 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: It was the way it happened. I don't know what 343 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: you want me to say here, Dan, growing up with 344 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: people telling me that my dad was killed by occult 345 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: wasn't traumatizing. I can't say that. And it did shape 346 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: the person who I am today. But there is no 347 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: way for me to know what I would have become 348 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: if you had stayed around. I mean, god, if if 349 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: I had been raised by you, and and which is 350 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: what would have happened? Right? Your mother and I we 351 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: were figuring out shared custody, but yes, I mean the 352 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: plan was for you to live with us. Look, none 353 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: of this matters right now, not really. Because I grew 354 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: up the way I grew up. I am the person 355 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: I am now, and there's nothing that any of us 356 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: can do to change that unless we I don't know 357 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: if I figure out how to use magic to time 358 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: travel or something. But until that time, we are stuck 359 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: with what we have. And that's just fine, okay, I 360 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: just I don't want your life to be fine, Jeremy. 361 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: Then stay, don't listen to Peyton, don't don't try to 362 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: do something selfless. Just stay, stay and help me figure 363 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: this out. I already promised you I would, But I 364 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: also promised Alden. I would get him out right. Then 365 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: we'll figure that out too, Okay, come on, we gotta 366 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: keep going. And for the record, I'm not I'm not lonely. Okay, 367 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: Olivia said that Vippen is probably your closest friend. The funk. 368 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: Why are you and Olivia talking about my social life. 369 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: I'm curious about you, Jeremy. I don't want you to 370 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: be isolated. I'm not. Vippen is a good friend to me. Yeah, 371 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: we worked together, but I also like to think that 372 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: we get along too. I had. I had a great 373 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: catch up just now with Sophie where you talked about 374 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: the fay realm, that BLUs. There's this legend trip that 375 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: I just met. She's becoming a friend, actually, honestly, the 376 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: fastest friend I've made in years. We've got similar interests 377 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: and she's I don't know, she's easy to talk to. 378 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: She seems to understand me, which for whatever reason, it's 379 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: a little bit rare. And anyway, the point is, I'm 380 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: just I really don't feel lonely, all right, all right, 381 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: I just never pictured you as a I don't know, 382 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: an eternal bachelor living with just his books for company. 383 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a bit harsh. Don't you think 384 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to criticize, really, no, I'm just I'm 385 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: trying to understand when look, when I was your age, Dad, 386 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: You've never been my age, literally, never been my age. 387 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: You're right, I just want you to be happy. Okay, 388 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: that's all. That's the only thing any parent wants. Then 389 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: can you please just accept that my happiest life might 390 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: look different from yours. No spouse, no kids, no job 391 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: that means carrying around a badge and a gun. I 392 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: like my life, and I I will be happy when 393 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: we figure out how to protect you. Okay, Okay, I 394 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: don't know why I wasn't the first thing we asked 395 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: him about. There's a lot going on, man. I think 396 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: you can be forgiven for not taking him down the 397 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: list of unanswered questions. But now we know, we know 398 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: it really was him on the answering machine. He found 399 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: a way to communicate somehow. So if if we figured 400 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: that out, we could figure out a lot about the 401 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: liminal exactly a trapped here, I've been trapped. Things are 402 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: thinning out, it's opening again. I think he was trying 403 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: to warn us. And when he first came out, he 404 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: said he was hearing so less voice, So maybe there's 405 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: a way to communicate to the liminal, not just from it. 406 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: Has he mentioned anything about that, No, he hasn't, but 407 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: like you said, there's been a lot to focus on. 408 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: So sure. But if he knows something about how all 409 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: this works and isn't telling us, well, I just we 410 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: should ask him. I guess. No, Thomas wouldn't knowingly keep 411 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: anything from us that would be useful, right, Yeah, no, 412 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: I know. Okay, So when he when he and Jeremy 413 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: get back from that camp site, we can play him 414 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: the message, ask him what he did to try to 415 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: get it out and what he meant by it, and 416 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: then maybe we can get word into Alden and coordinate 417 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: with him to try to break the deal somehow. He's seven, 418 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: well he's been seven for eighty years. I'm a feeling 419 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: he's more competent than your typical first grader. That's a 420 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: good point. Okay, So if we are able to communicate 421 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: with the in between, then and then maybe what the hell? Okay, okay, 422 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: just stay calm live. Is this what happened before? Yeah? Yeah, 423 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: and you're sure it's not an earthquake? Do you hear 424 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: that music? Yeah? You hear it right, it's a I 425 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: think it's coming from the other side. It has to be. 426 00:28:50,400 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: Do you mean the liminal No, the other side? All 427 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: right here we are, all right? Yeah, something definitely came 428 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: through here. Look how much brushes trampled. Some of that 429 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: could have been the campers. They got out of here 430 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: in a hurry. But we should look for any footprints 431 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: or fur or hair, anything that would give us an 432 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: indication of what attacked them, if it was the same 433 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: thing that almost attacked us, Not of human footprints the 434 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: regular kind. Yeah. Well, I'm no forensics expert, but those 435 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: look like two distinct shoe treads, and those would be 436 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: the campers. Thank God for bloody ground. Wait over here, 437 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: look at these deep punctures in the ground tent steaks. No, no, no, 438 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: look those are here. I recognize the formation from them 439 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: when I used to go camping with these five in 440 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: a row, like like whatever attacked that cow? Yeah? Did 441 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: the howler have five claws? Did? Did you get a 442 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: good look at it? I wasn't actually paying attention to 443 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: the fine details. And why would there be just claw prints? 444 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: There's no footprints? Well, the thing we saw standing was 445 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: on two legs so maybe it was on its toes basically, 446 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, pushing its claws into the mud for leverage. 447 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Right right, Wait here, there's two more prints with five 448 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: claws here too, Like it's front paws or something. Those 449 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: are much smaller than the hands we saw. God, it 450 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: might not even be the same animal. Hell, these prints 451 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: could just be from a regular old bear or something. 452 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: Every time we get to one of these crime scenes, 453 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm further away from all of it. 454 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, just the stiff bones. My 455 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: joints have been sold all day, shaking off the dust. 456 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: I guess, dad, what if? Wait? Maybe it's a shape shifter. 457 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: There's plenty of those in folklore, right, yeah, all kinds. 458 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: There's um did you hear that muck? Must be more campers? 459 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: M maybe there there, it's coming from over here. No, no, 460 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: it's it sounds like a woman. Yeah, there's something about it. 461 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: I can almost make around. Hello someone there? Wait you 462 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: contrasted son? Are you okay? Oh my god? Oh my god, 463 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: that's not possible. What's not possible? Hm? That voice? That voice? 464 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: I know that voice? What who is it? Celast? You 465 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: can chast? This episode of Bridgewater was written by Lauren 466 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: Shippen and directed by Brendan Patrick Hughes Assistant director Sarah Klein. 467 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: Sound designed by Vincent the Johnny rema Il Kayali, Josh Thane, 468 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: and Trevor Young, with music by Chad Lawson. Starring Misha 469 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: Collins as Jeremy Bradshaw, Melissa Ponzio as Anne Becker, Alan 470 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: Tutick as Thomas Bradshaw, Karen Sony as Vipen Corana, Sabra 471 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: May as Olivia Hoskins, Cheryl Umania as Officer Bautista, Will 472 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: Wheaton as Captain Haddock, Tricia Helfer as the Legend Tripper, 473 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: Stephen Guarino as Dr Edwards Nandamisu Demba as Peyton Blake, 474 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: Hilary Burton Morgan as Shelley Hoskins, Nicki McCauley as Celeste Then, 475 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Victoria Grace as Katie Frank's with additional voice acting by 476 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: Greta Gould, Shelby Young, Adam oh Burn, Monty Markham, Charlie 477 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: Bergman and Tern Westbrook. 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