1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Bridgewater is a production of iHeartRadio three D Audio and 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky. For a full exposure, 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: listen with headphones. Listener discretion advised. 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, wake up? 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 3: What what is it? 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 4: You hear that? 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 5: Hear? 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 6: What the hell is that? 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 7: What is it? 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 8: Is it? 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: A bear? 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 6: A bear in the swamp? 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: I think that's in the cooler. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: I told you we should have brought it inside with us. 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: We barely have enough room as it is. Can you 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: just what scare it off? 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 6: Oh my god? 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, fine, fine, yeah, I'm sure it's just it's. 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 6: Just, oh my god, what is it that? It is 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 6: not a bard. 21 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 9: The surviving camper does not appear to be seriously injured, 22 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 9: aside from a large hand frend shaped roof. The camper 23 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 9: claim they were attacked by quote a huge, hairy bigfoot. 24 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 9: An official from the Department of Parks and Recreation said 25 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 9: this is the first very related death in the area 26 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 9: since nineteen seventy eight and would caution visitors to always 27 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 9: keep an eye out for wildlife with camping and to 28 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 9: not leave moved out it can't attract animals. As for 29 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 9: any bigfoot dangers, well, it would see the first time 30 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 9: someone has made that claim. 31 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: If you're in talk Walk, Peyton Blake, you must be viippin' Kurna. 32 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 7: Thank you for meeting me. 33 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, well, Jeremy assured me he wasn't just sending the 34 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 8: Bee team to chat because he couldn't be bothered. So 35 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 8: I assume you know what you're talking about. 36 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 7: Wow, Okay, that is a hostile way to introduce yourself 37 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 7: to someone. 38 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 8: Excuse me for being blunt, but there aren't a lot 39 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 8: of people that I trust with discussing these matters openly. 40 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 7: But you trust Jeremy. I hear your first meeting was 41 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 7: a bit of a. 42 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 8: I understand Jeremy's stake in all of this. He's connected 43 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 8: to the other side, whether he likes it or not. You, 44 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 8: I don't know or the nature of your interest in this. 45 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 7: I'm getting my PhD in mythology and I've just discovered 46 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 7: that magic and monsters are real? Is that a good 47 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 7: enough reason? 48 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 5: So? 49 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: Academic curiosity is why he wanted to talk to me. 50 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 7: The truth is why I wanted to talk to you. 51 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 7: Why did you want to talk to Jeremy. 52 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: To get him to accept the truth. 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 7: That Thomas needs to go back into the what did 54 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 7: you call it? 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 8: The liminal that Jeremy is in possession of a gift 56 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 8: that was never meant to be given. 57 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 6: Okay, I know we're still not totally sold on her, 58 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 6: but it really seems like we'd be dead if it 59 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 6: wasn't for Peyton. 60 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 5: Really, I thought you were perfectly capable of fighting big monsters. 61 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 6: Look, look, I'm sorry about the other day. Okay, I 62 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 6: shouldn't have been so hard on you. 63 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: No, I get it. 64 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 5: You've been a cop your whole life, and you probably 65 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 5: see what I do as frivolous. 66 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 6: It clearly isn't your knowledge about this stuff might save 67 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 6: our lives? It might save my life. 68 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, well it didn't serve me any good against that Howler. 69 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 5: Well god, I mean, there have been sightings of Bigfoot 70 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 5: for years around here, but there's never been a death. 71 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 5: It's just these scattered bits of evidence over. 72 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 6: Time, what kind of evidence, like I don't know, you know. 73 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 5: Large bipedal footprints, which obviously plenty of hoaxers are created 74 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 5: in the past in order to drum up press or attention, 75 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 5: or just for the sheer joy of pranking people. But 76 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 5: now all of it feels like an indicator of something 77 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 5: much much more dangerous than any popular conception of a 78 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 5: sad squatch. 79 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 6: I don't understand how it could have come back so 80 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 6: quickly from the other side. 81 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: I don't either. 82 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 5: Maybe Peyton didn't banish it properly or fuck, I don't know. 83 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 5: Maybe the fay Realm is able to send it right 84 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 5: out again. 85 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 6: Not good. Those Rooine carvings are the only prediction we 86 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 6: have right now. 87 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 5: So if they barely give us any time to breathe, Yeah, 88 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 5: And there's also no reason to think that there's only 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 5: one of these monsters. 90 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 6: Is that supposed to be comforting? 91 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: If if, if we can't spend all of our time 92 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 5: waiting for the worst thing to happen. 93 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 6: The worst has happened, Jeremy, someone is dead. 94 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: Listen. 95 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 5: I'm just saying, we have to look at what's right 96 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 5: in front of us, Okay, we have to gather as 97 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 5: much information as we can right now. Vippin is talking 98 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 5: to Peyton, Anne and Olivia or. 99 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 6: Why is Vippin talking to Peyton? 100 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 3: What do you mean she's. 101 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 5: Trying to get more specifics from her on what the 102 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 5: gathering might know. 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 6: I think she told us everything that she knows. He 104 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 6: shouldn't have bothered with her. 105 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 5: Well, she actually reached out to me. She wanted to 106 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 5: talk to me for some reason. 107 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: Why. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. 108 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 5: So I told her that she could say whatever it 109 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: was to Vippen and he wanted to meet her anyway. 110 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 6: Are you okay? What's going on? I'm fine? Are you sure? 111 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 6: You seem it's just look, I don't want us running 112 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 6: around in circles, that's all ough. 113 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: I just feel like we're going in circles. 114 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 10: Oh, I actually think the problem is we haven't found 115 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 10: any circles. 116 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: Oh, you think you're funny to look. 117 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 7: It was a long shot anyways, but. 118 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 4: It shouldn't have been. Right, Like, we know for a 119 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: fact that Alden got lost somewhere around here, and there's 120 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: no way he could have wandered all the way to Freetown. 121 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 4: And Thomas said that Alden remembers walking into a forest, so. 122 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 10: Well, it's not like we combed through every bush. 123 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: Rahoba State Forest is like half a square mile. Hey, 124 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: we searched the whole thing. I know it was eighty 125 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: years ago, but I was hoping for something. A circle 126 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: of mushrooms, a weird path of flowers, out of place. 127 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 10: Tree, doorway to another world. 128 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: What if it wasn't even about the mushroom circle. Mushrooms 129 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 4: grow in weird formations all the time, and just because 130 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 4: it stuck out in Alden's mind doesn't mean that's the 131 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 4: way he. 132 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: Got taken in. What if it was something even more innocuous. 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 10: Well, then we might have walked right past the evidence 134 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 10: and not even known it exactly. 135 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 4: I just I want to know where the tracks are, because. 136 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: Then I won't fall in. 137 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 10: Honey, I don't think it's as straightforward as that. 138 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 7: Live. 139 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 10: You know, you have to be willing, or you're supposed 140 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 10: to be willing, and you know well enough not to 141 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 10: go follow in strange voices in the woods. 142 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, except that's all we're actually doing. I was starting 143 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 4: to think maybe there was some kind of Bradshaw Hoskins 144 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: family curse. But maybe it's just the way we are, 145 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: like something in our blood that makes us want to 146 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: walk right into places we shouldn't. 147 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 10: I don't think that's just a Bradshaw Hoskins straight Plenty 148 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 10: of folks would say the exact same thing about me. 149 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we've got a doubly bad first Thomas, then Jeremy, 150 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 4: then Ethan. 151 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 10: I mean, who's next Jeremy didn't get taken. 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 4: But you don't think he's just wandered off to you. No, 153 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 4: the messed up thing is part of me wants to see. 154 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 7: It, see what the other side. 155 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: Oh live, I mean, come on, aren't you curious. 156 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 11: It's like Narnia, Evil Narnia. 157 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 4: I mean, Narnia was kind of evil Narnia during the 158 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 4: whole Eternal Winter bit live. No, I'm not saying I'm 159 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 4: gonna go doing a weird sacrificial ritual to try and 160 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: walk through the wardrobe or anything. I'm just saying that 161 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: impulse is there. Maybe that's why our family has been 162 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: so easy to lure, because there's something in us that 163 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: already wants to go. 164 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 10: But people don't even get to the other side. They 165 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 10: get stuck in between. And I think we both know 166 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 10: that that's not an enviable fate. 167 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: Now, people don't get to the other side as far 168 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 4: as we know. But it's not like you can send 169 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: a text back and say, hey, I'm in Fairyland. They 170 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 4: got great food here, never coming back, so we would 171 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: never know text. 172 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 10: It was a joke, No, no, I know, but it 173 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 10: made me think there's a question we haven't been asking. 174 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 11: All Right, fine, you got questions, ask them. 175 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 7: How does the Gathering know about the pay, real, about 176 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 7: the deal, about any of it. 177 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 8: It's the whole reason the Gathering exists. What the Gathering 178 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 8: is just the most current iteration of a community that's 179 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 8: been in operation in one form or another for centuries, 180 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 8: stewards of the gate between worlds. 181 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 7: You're telling me there's an exclusive club that's been around 182 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 7: for hundreds of years that controls mystical forces. You know 183 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 7: how that sounds? Right? 184 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: I do. 185 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 8: And it's not like that. There's no controlling this thing. 186 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 8: There's just knowledge. 187 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 7: Oh and human sacrifice to some kind of otherworldly force 188 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 7: that has to be. 189 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 8: Appeased for the last time. It is not human sacrifice. 190 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 7: Oh, so the Gathering is the one group in the 191 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 7: entire world who knows about magic, and it's entirely up 192 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 7: to them to keep the tenuous veil from ripping open 193 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 7: and unleashing some kind of fairy chaos. 194 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 8: Do you want me to tell you what I know? 195 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 8: Or do you just want to ride my work and 196 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 8: get out whatever frustration that's pent up? 197 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 7: Okay, you have to understand that this is all a 198 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 7: bit well. I mean, you weren't born knowing the stuff right. 199 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 7: At some point you have to be told that's true. 200 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 8: But I was told so young that it feels like 201 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 8: I basically was born with this knowledge. My father was 202 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 8: the Virginia chapter leader before me. I've been going to 203 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 8: gathering meetings my whole life. Saw a snally gaster for 204 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 8: the first time when I was twelve, learned about the deal. 205 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 8: When I was sixteen, you saw. 206 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 7: A snally caster, a real snallycaster, like the reptile bird thing. 207 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 8: With the tentacles and all, yeah. 208 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 7: What what did you? I mean, how did you kill it? 209 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: My dad did? 210 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 8: The veil there gets really weak at random times and places. 211 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 8: It's even more fickle than here, or at least it 212 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 8: had been. 213 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 7: So it wasn't like there was something wrong with the liminal. 214 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 8: No, our rituals have moved like clockwork for at least 215 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 8: the last century. But that's not the only way. Stuff 216 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 8: slips through too much a cult or pagan activity. Everything 217 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 8: from wickens doing their normal practice and not realizing it's 218 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 8: having side effects, to a group of people on a 219 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 8: ghost tour that are buying into the stories a little 220 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 8: too much. It can all leave the door. 221 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 7: Ajar, Wait, so are you saying that the gate is 222 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 7: opened by belief and closed by belief as well. Why 223 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 7: do you think there were so many reports of the 224 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 7: supernatural in the past. It was more accepted, more people 225 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 7: actually believed, so more stuff bled through. Chicken and egg, 226 00:11:54,320 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 7: round and round. What It's just, it's ridiculous, like clap 227 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 7: if you believe in fairies and they'll stay alive, that's true. 228 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 8: I mean, Peter Pan got everything else wrong. But all 229 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 8: stories have a grain of truth in them, right, even 230 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 8: if it's a really tiny grain of truth. 231 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 7: I wanted to believe before I knew any of it 232 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 7: was real. I really wanted to believe, to experience something 233 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 7: that defied explanation, and then to be the one to 234 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 7: find the explanation. 235 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: You didn't break the gates wide open. Don't worry. One 236 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: person can't do all that much. 237 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 7: Except close the gate by giving themselves over to the liminal. Yeah, 238 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 7: except that, I don't get it. If the gathering knows 239 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 7: all of this, why didn't Celesti just tell us? And 240 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 7: how did you get the ritual wrong? 241 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 8: Secrets are order to keep the more people you tell 242 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 8: only gathering leadership is told the truth by the outgoing leaders, 243 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 8: and chapters don't communicate as much with each other, as 244 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 8: we should. 245 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 7: But Celeste was a leader. 246 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, something. 247 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 8: Something went wrong here, Yeah, no kidding. From what I understand, 248 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 8: things sort of fractured here in the seventies. 249 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, there was an offshoot, the Children of Titchiba. They 250 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 7: were more on the side of propping the door open 251 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 7: for good. 252 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, that happens. That happens bad leaders have been chosen. 253 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 8: Sometimes someone finds out about the other world and kind 254 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 8: of loses it. 255 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 7: And that's what you think the Children of Titchibo was. 256 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 8: I think after the children, everything here broke down. No 257 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 8: one knew how things were supposed to go. So when 258 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 8: it came time to keep the fay Realm happy. 259 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 7: Eh, no one knew how. Okay, But how does that work? 260 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 7: If all it takes is one person to not pass 261 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 7: down the information for everything to go heywire, then how 262 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 7: are we. 263 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 8: Not constantly on the verge of collapse? Who says we 264 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 8: aren't think about it? There are still sightings and encounters 265 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 8: all over the world All the time. People see Bigfoot, 266 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 8: they think they've been abducted by aliens. Boats disappear at sea, 267 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 8: kids go missing. Most of the time those things are 268 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 8: the result of human behavior or cruelty, but sometimes sometimes 269 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 8: it's the other side bleeding through. 270 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 7: And how many of these gates are in the world? 271 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 7: Does every state have them? Every country? 272 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: I have no idea. 273 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 8: I know I seem like I'm an expert, but I'm not. 274 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 8: I'm an expert in my area, and I'm tapped in 275 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 8: just enough to know that something was wrong up here. 276 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 8: But there is so much of the picture that I 277 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 8: don't see, right. 278 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 7: But what about your dad. I'm assuming he's retired now, 279 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 7: but he must have learned a lot when he was 280 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 7: a leader. 281 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 8: He's not retired, he's gone. 282 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 7: Oh I'm so sorry. 283 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: We knew it was coming. 284 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: He was sick. 285 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 8: No, he left. That's how it works in Virginia. Becoming 286 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 8: leader of the gathering means eventually stepping into the liminal. 287 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 8: What so he was the volunteer. Yeah, it's cleaner that way. 288 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 8: The secret gets kept and no one ends up in 289 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 8: a place they don't want to. The leader gets to 290 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 8: prepare their successor before they go, and they know they'll 291 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 8: eventually be replaced in the liminal. 292 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 7: Replaced, what does that mean? 293 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 8: It's a temporary center. They move on, move on where 294 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 8: that I definitely don't know. 295 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: Maybe just death. Whatever that is. 296 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 8: My dad always thought it meant going over to the 297 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 8: other side completely, living in the kingdom. I think you 298 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 8: liked the idea of being in a magical world, monsters 299 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 8: and all. I'm kind of hoping for disappearing entirely. I 300 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 8: don't know that I'm on board for eternal life in 301 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 8: some other place. 302 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 7: You you're the replacement. 303 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: So the story goes. 304 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 7: Why in the world would you agree to that. 305 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 8: I get to live a full life before then, have 306 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 8: a family if I want, mentor someone protect the world, 307 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 8: and I'm gonna die anyway, so this is just adding 308 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 8: a pit stop. 309 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 7: Thomas said it didn't feel like forty years. 310 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: It felt shorter. 311 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 7: It's unclear. I think he couldn't tell. I think sometimes 312 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 7: it felt endless with that because he didn't age. It 313 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 7: also felt like no time at all. But I'm sure 314 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 7: it's different for every person. 315 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 8: Well, he's the only one who's ever come out after 316 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 8: going in, so he's probably the best source of intel 317 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 8: I'm gonna get. 318 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 7: Look, I know you want him to go back in. 319 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 8: I don't want anything except for the deal to be 320 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 8: honored and the gate to be shut. If someone else 321 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 8: wants to go in, they are more than welcome to. 322 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 8: But what kind of life could he have now? Really, 323 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 8: he's been declared dead for decades. He can't undeclare himself 324 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 8: without becoming some sort of government pincushion. 325 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 7: And people steal identities, you know. 326 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 8: Sure, but then what hmm? He watches his son most 327 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 8: likely die before him, He loses his wife before he's 328 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 8: even fifty. 329 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 7: They never actually got married, Ann and Thomas. I mean, 330 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 7: that's not my point. And they seem pretty till death 331 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 7: do us part regardless, and one of their deaths is 332 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 7: going to come a lot sooner than the others. But 333 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 7: he barely got to live the first time. He has 334 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 7: a daughter and a grandson. He has never met a 335 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 7: son who's grown up without. 336 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 8: Him, and that will never not be a tragedy. But 337 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 8: he can't get it back. Even if he had the 338 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 8: whole happy family unit in place, he would never get 339 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 8: that time back. 340 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 6: So I was thinking, maybe tonight you and I could 341 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 6: go out, grab a beer, get a burger somewhere. 342 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 5: I'd have thought that you would want to go back 343 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 5: to Anne and share what we've found. 344 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 6: I think we can take one night off without the 345 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 6: world ending. 346 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 5: Well, that's a very different tune from what you were 347 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 5: singing earlier. Look, I just I don't know how much 348 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 5: time I have. 349 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: Please, please don't talk like that. 350 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 6: No matter what happens, I want to make sure to 351 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 6: spend time with my son. Maybe we can even make 352 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 6: it a new tradition. Pick a place, go there every week, 353 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 6: just the two of us. 354 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 5: That does sound good, That sounds great. 355 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 6: It'll take a while for me to catch up on 356 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 6: all that I've missed. I want to hear about California 357 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 6: and Oxford and she's everything. 358 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 5: Really, God, I don't know where to start. I mean, honestly, 359 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 5: there's not a lot to tell. I'm afraid I spend 360 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 5: most of my time in California and Oxford in class. 361 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 6: Well, I want to hear all about it. Maybe I 362 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 6: could even come out to one of your lectures. 363 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that might have to wait. 364 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 5: My students this semester are well aware enough of who 365 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 5: you are that I'm not sure that they'd be fooled 366 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 5: with your updated haircut. 367 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 6: Fine next semester, then, and in the meantime, you can 368 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 6: tell me what you do outside of teaching. 369 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: You mean, like now present day. 370 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, we still have about a half a mile. 371 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I go to conferences sometimes, I meet with other academics, 372 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 5: swap research. 373 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 6: I don't know. 374 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 5: There's usually some kind of faculty gathering once a semester, 375 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 5: but you know, school, and I've been working on the book, 376 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 5: so these things keep me pretty busy. 377 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 6: How about friends, mat a girlfriend? 378 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 5: Huh oh, yeah, I've never been much of a I 379 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 5: don't know. I guess I'm not a super social person. 380 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 5: And dating just always has felt like it's too I 381 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 5: don't know, it's more trouble in it's worth. 382 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 6: Dating. 383 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: Must have changed. 384 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 6: You never wanted to get married have a family. 385 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 3: I just never. 386 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 5: I haven't met anyone that I had interest in sharing 387 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 5: my whole life with. And I don't think I would 388 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 5: honestly make a very good father. 389 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: What about you? 390 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 5: What I mean, God, you must be dying for human 391 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 5: interaction after having spent forty years with a kid. 392 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 6: I've always loved kids before. You were my favorite person 393 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 6: to spend time with. 394 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 3: I was a baby, I was a toddler. 395 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 5: I mean, it's not famously good demo for conversations. 396 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 6: You were wonderful, curious, You're funny, always loving. You were 397 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 6: so open, so giving kids off and are But it 398 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 6: was like nothing scared you, was like nothing could hurt you. 399 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 6: I have this like memory of just a feeling so. 400 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: Safe when I was with you, and now. 401 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 5: I'm not sure what you mean? 402 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 6: Did I. 403 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: Then what happened? 404 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 6: You're not that open and trusting boy anymore. I mean, 405 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 6: from what you just said, you've kept yourself guarded alone. 406 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 6: It feels like that's because I left. 407 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, that you didn't leave. 408 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 6: But it's still my fault. Isn't it that you don't 409 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 6: have a full life, that you're unhappy? 410 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 3: Whoa who said? I'm not happy? My life is plentiful. 411 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 5: Just because it doesn't look the same as yours or 412 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 5: what you maybe expected for me, doesn't mean that I'm 413 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 5: not fulfilled. 414 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 6: So you are fulfilled. You're not lonely, you're wanting. 415 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, of course there are things that I 416 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 5: want or ways that things could be better. But you 417 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 5: didn't condemn me to some life of misery because because 418 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 5: you because you went missing. Plenty of people grow up 419 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 5: without two parents and they turn out just fine. 420 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 6: I know I was one of them, but that's not 421 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 6: It wasn't just about me going away, it was the 422 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 6: way it happened. 423 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 5: I don't know what you want me to say here, Dan, 424 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 5: that growing up with people telling me that my dad 425 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 5: was killed by a cult wasn't traumatizing. I can't say that, 426 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 5: and it did shape the person who I am today. 427 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: But there is no. 428 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 5: Way for me to know what I would have become 429 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 5: if you had stayed around. I mean, god, if I 430 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 5: had been raised by you and Anne, which is what 431 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 5: would have happened, right. 432 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 6: Your mother and I we were figuring out shared custody. 433 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 6: But yes, I mean the plan was for you to 434 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 6: live with us. 435 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 5: Look, I none of this matters right now, not really. 436 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: Because I grew up the way I grew up. 437 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 5: I am the person that I am now, and there's 438 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 5: nothing that any of us can do to change that 439 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 5: unless we I don't know if I figure out how 440 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 5: to use magic to time travel or something. But until 441 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 5: that time, we are stuck with what we have. And 442 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 5: that's just fine, okay. I just I don't want your 443 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 5: life to be fine, Jeremy. Then stay, don't listen to Peyton, 444 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: don't don't try to do something selfless. 445 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: Just stay, stay and help me figure this out. 446 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 6: I already promised you I would, But I also promised 447 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 6: Alden I would get him out. 448 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 5: Right. Then we'll figure that out too, Okay, come on, 449 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 5: we got to keep going. 450 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 3: And for the record, I'm not lonely. 451 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 6: Okay, Olivia said that Vippin is probably your closest friend. 452 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: The fuck. 453 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 5: Why are you and Olivia talking about my social life. 454 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 6: I'm curious about you, Jeremy. I don't want you to 455 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 6: be isolated. 456 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 5: I'm not. 457 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 3: Vippin is a good friend. 458 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we work together, but I also like 459 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 5: to think that we get along too. 460 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: I had a great catch up just now with Sophie. 461 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 6: Where you talked about the Fay Realm, that Bluss. 462 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 5: There's this legend trip that I just met. She's becoming 463 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 5: a friend, actually, honestly, the fastest friend I've made in years. 464 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 5: We've got similar interests and she's I don't know, she's 465 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 5: easy to talk to. She seems to understand me, which, 466 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 5: for whatever reason, it's a little bit rare. And anyway, 467 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 5: the point is, I'm just I really don't feel lonely, 468 00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 5: all right, all. 469 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 6: Right, I just never pictured you as a I don't know, 470 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 6: an eternal bachelor living with Justice books for company. 471 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's a bit harsh. Don't you think 472 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 5: I'm not trying to criticize. Really, No, I'm just I'm 473 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 5: trying to understand. Wow, when look when I was your age, Dad, 474 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 5: You've never been my age, literally, never been my age. 475 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 6: You're right, I just want you to be happy. Okay, 476 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 6: that's all. That's the only thing any parent wants say. 477 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 5: Can you please just accept that my happiest life might 478 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 5: look different from yours. 479 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: No spouse, no kids, no job. That means carrying around 480 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: a badge and a gun. 481 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 5: I like my life and I I will be happy 482 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 5: when we figure out how to protect you. 483 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 10: Okay, Okay, I don't know why I wasn't the first 484 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 10: thing we asked him about. 485 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: There's a lot going on, Nana. I think you can 486 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 4: be forgiven for not taking him down the list of 487 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 4: unanswered questions. 488 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 10: But now we know, we know it really was him 489 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 10: on the answering machine. He found a way to communicate somehow, 490 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 10: So if we figure that out. 491 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 4: We could figure out a lot about the liminal exactly. 492 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 5: And I'm trapped here. I've been trapped. Things are thinning out, 493 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 5: it's opening again. 494 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 10: He was trying to warn us, and when he first 495 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 10: came out, he said it was hearing celess voice. So 496 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 10: maybe there's a way to communicate to the limonal, not 497 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 10: just from it. 498 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: Has he mentioned anything about that? 499 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 10: No, he hasn't, but like you said, there's been a 500 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 10: lot to focus on. 501 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 3: So sure. 502 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: But if he knows something about how all this works 503 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 4: and isn't telling us, well, I just we should ask him. 504 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 10: I guess no, Thomas would knowingly keep anything from us. 505 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 7: That would be useful, right, yeah, and I know. 506 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 10: Okay, So when he and Jeremy get back from that campsite, 507 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 10: we can play him the message, ask him what he 508 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 10: did to try to get it out and what he 509 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 10: meant by it, and then maybe we can get word 510 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 10: into Alden and coordinate with him to try to break 511 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 10: the deal somehow. He's seven, well he's been seven for 512 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 10: eighty years. I'm a feeling he's more confident than your 513 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 10: typical first grader. 514 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 4: That's a good point, okay, So if we are able 515 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 4: to communicate with the in between that and then maybe. 516 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 7: What the hell? 517 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 10: Okay, okay, just stay calm live. 518 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: Is this what happened before? 519 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 10: Yeah? 520 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're sure it's not an earthquake? 521 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: Do you hear that? What music? Yeah? 522 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: You hear it? 523 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 10: Right, it's a I think it's coming from the other side. 524 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 7: It has to be. 525 00:28:50,600 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: You mean the liminal, No the other side. 526 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 5: All right here we are all right. Yeah, something definitely 527 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 5: came through her. Look how much brush is trampled. Some 528 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 5: of that could have been the campers that got out 529 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 5: of here in a hurry. But we should look for 530 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 5: any footprints or fur or hair, anything that would give 531 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 5: us an indication of what attacked them if it was 532 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 5: the same thing that almost attacked us. 533 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 6: Lots of human footprints, the regular kind. 534 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm no forensics expert, but those look like 535 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 5: two distinct shoe treads, and those would be the campers. 536 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 6: Thank god for muddy ground. Wait ooh over here, look 537 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 6: at these deep punctures in the ground. 538 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: Ten stakes. 539 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 6: No, no, no, look those are here. I recognize the 540 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 6: formation from them when I used to go camping with 541 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 6: these five in a. 542 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 3: Row, Like whatever attack that cow? 543 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 6: Yeah? 544 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: Did the howler have five claws? Did? Did you get 545 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: a good look at it? 546 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 6: I wasn't actually paying attention to the fine details. 547 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 5: And why would there be just claw prints? There's no footprints? 548 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 6: Well, the thing we saw standing was on two legs, 549 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 6: so maybe it was on its toes basically, you know, 550 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 6: pushing its claws into the mud for leverage, right right, Wait, here. 551 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 6: There's two more prints with five claws here too, Like 552 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 6: its front paws or something. 553 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 5: Those are much smaller than the hands we saw. God, 554 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 5: it might not even be the same animal. Hell, these 555 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 5: prints could just be from a regular old bear or something. 556 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 5: Every time we get to one of these crime scenes, 557 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: I just feel like I'm further away from all of it. 558 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 6: You were, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just the stiff bones. 559 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 6: My joints have been sore all day, shaking off the dust. 560 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 6: I guess, dad. 561 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: What if? 562 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 6: Wait? Maybe it's a shape shifter. There's plenty of those 563 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 6: in folklore, right, yeah, all kinds there's. 564 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 3: Did you hear that? 565 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 6: Must be more campers? 566 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 5: Yeah? Maybe there there, it's coming from over here. 567 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 6: No, no, it's it sounds like a woman. 568 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something about it. 569 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: I can almost make her out. 570 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 5: Hello someone there? 571 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: Wait you control. 572 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 6: Son? Are you okay? 573 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 5: Oh my god, my god, it's not possible. 574 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 6: What is not possible? 575 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: Mm hmm that voice, that voice, I know that voice? 576 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 8: What who is it? 577 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: Celeste? 578 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 8: You can trust to? 579 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: This episode of Bridgewater was written by Lauren Shippen and 580 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: directed by Brendan Patrick Hughes Assistant director Sarah Kleine. Sound 581 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: designed by Vincent De Johnny Rima El Kali, Josh Thayin, 582 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: and Trevor Young, with music by Chad Lawson, Starring Misha 583 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: Collins as Jeremy Bradshaw, Melissa Ponzio as Anne Becker, Alan 584 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: Tudik as Thomas Bradshaw, Karen Sony as Vipen Kurana, Sabra 585 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: May as Olivia Hoskins, Cheryl Umanya as Officer Bautista, Will 586 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: Wheaton as Captain Haddock, Tricia Helfer as the Legend Tripper, 587 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: Stephen Guarino as Doctor Edwards, Non Demi su Dmbe as 588 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: Peyton Blake, Hillary Burton Morgan as Shelley Hoskins, Nicky McCauley 589 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: as Celeste Then, Victoria Grace as Katie Franks, with additional 590 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: voice acting by Greta Gould, Shelby Young, Adam o'byrn Monte, Markham, 591 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Charlie Bergman, and Tarren Westbrook. 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