1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Bucky here with you and and Buck. At the top 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: of every show, I always start out with the same question, Buck, 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: how you doing. Um, I feel like that question is 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: uh uh. I feel like everybody's asking that question right now. 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: How are you doing? Man? I'm look DJ, I'm I'm 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: doing okay. I will say this though, um Uh it 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: meant a lot you see me to Texas weekend. Uh, 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: in the middle of everything that was going on in 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: the kase, I just see how I'm doing, And so like, look, man, 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm very appreciative obviously of our friendship, um, of how 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: we respect each other, how we actually love and adore 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: each other as people. And I think, uh, the thing 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: that came out about everything this weekend is just more 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: so a humanity standpoint, like just as a humanitarian, like 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: just valuing other people, and like people can talk about 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: like black, white, Asians and others and all that other stuff, 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: but I really think it just kind of comes down 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: to just that aspect. Can you value the person that 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: is standing beside you. Can you have a level of 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: empathy for whatever struggles they may be going through, because 23 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: we all are going through some kind of struggle or 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: thing that we're working through. And if you can just 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: take the time to like listen, understand and try and 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: make people better, Like all of this stuff will, uh, 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: I won't necessarily go away, but all of it can 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: be handled in the right manner. So I think in anything, like, 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: I think if people just take the time to just pause, 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: listen and just try and help those that are going 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: through stuff, those that are less fortunate, I think would 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: will be better. We always talk about it, like let's 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: just leave where you are, your community and a better 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: place than you inherited. If you just think about just 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: following that, um will be better people for it all. Yeah, 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: it was, man a just a just a gut punch, 37 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, starting with how this whole thing started when 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: you see you know, the murder of it, and this 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: it man like I I we're texting about it. I 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: couldn't get that out of my head, Like how do 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: you how do you unsee that? And and just it's 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: so awful and I just I've trying to take it. 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: Everybody has deals deals with things differently, and I've just 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: kind of taken this time and said, man, I just 45 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: need to I need to read, I need to listen 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: and just learn more, you know. And so that's kind 47 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: of the approach that I've that I've taken, just to 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: try and learn more through this process. And UM, you know, 49 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: we we talked about in scouting, we use a term 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: and as a good teammate, you know, like he's he's 51 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: a good teammate. We just need to be good teammates. Man. 52 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: That that's that's that's what the world needs. We just 53 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: needed we're all on the same team, just be a 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: good teammate. Like that's like, to me, is the simple, 55 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: it's oversimple. Maybe I don't know. That's to me is 56 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: what it comes down to. This will all be good teammates. 57 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: It does come down to that, DJ. And I'm so 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: glad that um we had UH sports backgrounds right because ultimately, 59 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: like sports are the kind of like the ultimate thing 60 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: when it comes to uniting UH communities. Because the one 61 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: thing that we about sports and participating on teams like 62 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: ultimately like it's a meritocracy and it doesn't really matter like, 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: uh far more time than that, Like the best player 64 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: plays and everyone has a role, and in that role, 65 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: when you're in the huddle and you look around the huddle, 66 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: you don't think about all those other things. Is how 67 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: can I support my teammate. How can I put my 68 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: teammate in a position where he can be successful so 69 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: we can be successful. And then we celebrate together in 70 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: the end zone, We celebrate at the end of games. 71 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: We do all of those things. And so, UM, I 72 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: think one of the things that will come about it, 73 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: UM people getting back to sports, coaches getting back to ay, 74 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: let's really talk about those lessons. It is one thing 75 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: to have slogans and pr campaigns or whatever, but if 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: we can remember the essence of why we participate in 77 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: sports is to teach young people lessons that will help 78 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: them beyond the field. If we can just focus on 79 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: those things, like teaching people how to be better, to sacrifice, 80 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: the hard work, to commitment. UM, those things, those things work. 81 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: The same things that you learned from high school all 82 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: the way up. They matter. If we just can pass 83 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: those traits on to the next generation of folks, we'll 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: see things change. We'll see the world become a better place. Yeah, 85 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: my son's my son's high school coach. UM had sent 86 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: out some text message to all his team and I 87 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: was able to see it. I got on my son's 88 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: phone and looked at it. But it was protect each other, 89 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, protect each other. There's your brothers, there, your teammates, 90 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, love one another, you protect each other. And 91 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that's that's a message to a high 92 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 1: school football team, but that's like a message to the country. 93 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: You know, that's a message to the world. Love each other, 94 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: protect each other, you know. And I'm sitting at you 95 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: as a high school football coach, Buck, I'm just curious. 96 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: You know what, what do you what do you say 97 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: to your kids? You know? So it's funny, DJ like, 98 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I learned so much from our conversations, 99 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: from the conversations we have with others, and having the 100 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: conversation a couple of weeks ago with John Smolts and 101 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: he talked about the rules that a Lanta Braves had 102 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: right and he just talked about, ay, where you have phones, 103 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: be on time, uh, be a pro basically where your 104 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: uniform the right way or whatever. And so I took 105 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: that and we created three rules like a be on time, 106 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: represent Granada, and be the standard. So being on time 107 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: is just like a B be on time. Understand, like 108 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: you kind of um make sure that you're respecting everyone's 109 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: time by being punctual. And the other thing being granada 110 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: just like represent your community, meaning like look hard, working together, tough, 111 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: all the other stuff, but really be the standard is 112 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: model to behavior that you want to see. So if 113 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: you talk about being a champion on and off the field, 114 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: like you have to model that behavior, help those that 115 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: around you, lead the place clean and tidy, do all 116 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: of those things. If you just kind of live it 117 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: like you talk about it, like we're gonna be fine. 118 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: And I think that is the thing that has come 119 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: out of it. Like when I look around and I 120 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: see all the stuff, and like you, I kind of 121 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: had to check out from social media a little bit 122 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: in terms of just like watching too much. It was 123 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: kind of like overconsumption of all of this stuff. And 124 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: if you just pause and just think, man, what all 125 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: the things that, like my high school coach said, like 126 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: all those things are applicable. If we just do those 127 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: things and just try and make the world a better place, 128 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: everything will kind of fall into place, no doubt. Man. Again, 129 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: just uh, some some point time you get to that point, 130 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: we just just pray, just pray for everybody and and 131 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: um that we're gonna get to better days ahead. UM. 132 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: We are going to talk football today. And because not 133 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: only I think some people tune in, they want to 134 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: they want to hear some something fun and something enjoyable. 135 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: It's a kind of a dark time right now. We've 136 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: we've got uh, we've got a fun discussion with Chris Collinsworth, 137 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: who's sixteen time Emmy winner Bucks sixteen. Um. He was 138 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: a good receiver in his day to four thousand yard seasons, 139 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, playing with the Bengal has been in the 140 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: Super Bowl that we all know him as the broadcaster. 141 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: He was a good player. Um. But we have a 142 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: long visit with him. I think we gosh, we chatted 143 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: with him for over thirty minutes, I think. Which we're 144 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 1: gonna use a chunk on the TV show on Thursday, UM, 145 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: and we will. I believe We're gonna try and release 146 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: the audio podcast a day early. We have been releasing 147 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: it on Friday, the second one of the week. The 148 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: goal is to get that out Thursday at some point 149 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: in time. UM, and we'll have the whole chunk, the 150 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: whole interview. UM. But we do want to play a 151 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: little nippit of it today, um, And following that, we're 152 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: gonna also talk some quarterbacks from the last three drafts. 153 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: And we believe in in teams in the in the 154 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, that's where you went football games. 155 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: So I've got the five best teams in my opinion, 156 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: in the trenches, and I want to get your opinion 157 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: on that as well. But before we get to those discussions, 158 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna be a little taste here of our conversation 159 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: with Chris Collinsworth. You know, quarterbacks and naturally the center 160 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: of attention, and they will kind of distract us because 161 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: we have Pat Mahomes, we have Lamar Jackson, two guys 162 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: that have been back to back m vps and only 163 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: their second season. Chris, what, but what's behind the young 164 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks having success right away and teams being able to 165 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: build upon next success by surrounding him with good teams. Well, 166 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: it takes a lot to be Russell Wilson, right to 167 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: be Aaron Rodgers, to be Tom Brady, to be Drew Brees. 168 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: Where you've been paid right, you got paid the thirty million, 169 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: the thirty five million, the forty billion wherever we're going here. Uh, 170 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: and now really good players on your team had to 171 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: be cut because they had to pay you. And so now, okay, yeah, 172 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, you were fantastic when you were on that 173 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: rookie contract, and now can you keep that level of 174 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: play going once you get paid and some of those 175 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: players around you now have to be rookies and have 176 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: to be younger players and free agents and some of 177 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: the things that that he's had to see, there's not 178 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, they're they've never paid their offensive line. Russell, 179 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: you're on your own, right, Let's go out there and 180 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: create and make some plays and and and see how 181 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: it goes. So I think that that is the question 182 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: for the young quarterbacks, the Patrick Mahomes, the Lamar Jackson's. 183 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Can you still play at that level if in fact 184 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: the players around you are at a lesser level than 185 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: what you're used to playing. I don't think get anybody 186 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: who's looking at Patrick Mahomes and going, this guy is 187 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: gonna regress, right, I mean, everything that he's done. He 188 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: played one of the one of the worst games I 189 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: personally had seen him play for three quarters in the 190 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl and still brought his team back to be 191 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: world champions. So those are some of the questions though 192 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: that are coming up for these young quarterbacks. When you 193 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: look at those quarterbacks on those second contracts, Chris, I 194 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: think about, you know, the New Orleans Saints with Drew Brees, 195 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: even though he's on that bigger money deal, They've done 196 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: such a good job in the draft that I still 197 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: feel like you could say that, if not the most talented, 198 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: one of the most talented rosters in the NFL. But 199 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: I think it goes to your point of if you've 200 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: paid the quarterback man, you just can afford fewer mistakes, 201 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to the draft. Yeah, and and 202 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, the whole New Orleans Saints thing. You 203 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: look at them and the one year they had the 204 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: draft where they got the four starters out of it, 205 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: and you know, and it just carries them for you know, 206 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: four or five years when you hit on one like that. So, yeah, 207 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: the draft is always going to be the key thing. 208 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: I've got two dogs in the house. Are welcome to 209 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: uh welcome to quarantine here is we're waiting at the 210 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: uh grand baby number two. But uh yeah, I think 211 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: absolutely that being able to pick out those players and 212 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: for for people who have never done it, if you've 213 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: never actually tried to watch film, study the draft, study 214 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: the team needs, and take a look at which player 215 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: you would actually pick, and figure out how many times 216 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: you were wrong. I mean so wrong you can't imagine it. 217 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: It is. It is the most bizarre thing. I've been 218 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: doing it now for I don't know for four or 219 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: five years since I've been affiliated with PFF and been 220 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: able to really watch the film and study it. But 221 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: if you're hitting, you're pretty good, right. I mean, you 222 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: guys are experts in to feel what what's the percentage 223 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: that that you feel good about? Chris? I think I 224 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: always say this. I always say this to my buddies 225 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: in the league. I was like, look, when when we're 226 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: with teams, we had to be right seven to ten 227 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: times right. Only the only guys they know that how 228 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: you had them greater the guys you select. And so 229 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: when you're in the media, you've got a great all 230 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: these guys you get judged one all you know, two 231 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: fifty five players in terms of how you had them. 232 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: Because we've both been in draft rooms and Bucky tell 233 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: you the stories to where man that you know that's 234 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: the smartest pick in the world they took, this guy 235 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: would have hit and where they don't know. If the 236 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: guy that got picked before us would have been there, 237 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: we would have taken him and he was a complete bust. 238 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: So we kind of lucked out with that guy falling 239 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: into our lap. But I think this is harder when 240 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: you got to try and get all of them. Put 241 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: your resume on all these guys out there. Well, Patrick 242 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: mahone was what did he fall to? Number ten, number eleven, 243 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: something like that in the draft? So everybody, every time 244 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: somebody tells me, oh, yeah, I knew all along. I 245 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: knew that was the guy like you did not. If 246 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: you knew that was gonna be, well, we're seeing so far, 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: you'd have trade it up to the number one pick 248 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: and traded every draft choice you had for the next 249 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: three years. So stop it. I don't even want to 250 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: hear it. So Buck, I mean that as good as 251 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: that was, trust me, there's there's a lot more. Um 252 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: he's he's so thoughtful. You can tell why he's been 253 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: so successful as a broadcaster, because hey, the guy is 254 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: brilliant and uh and be he's an outstanding communicator. But 255 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: that topic on quarterbacks and when you pay them and 256 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: how that changes things. I think it's fascinating. Yeah, it 257 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: really is fascinating. It's it's a discussion that I wonder 258 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: because Um coming from his background obviously like seeing what 259 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: he sees on Sunday Ight Football, but being the CEO 260 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: of PFF and how they dig into the data to 261 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: try and find value. I do wonder in some of 262 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: those discussions that we're having, Um, how do you build 263 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: a team around a quarterback that is on the second 264 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: contract And you know, a lot a lot of times 265 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: when we talked about the justification for paying quarterbacks thirty 266 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: plus million dollars, we're saying, Hey, these guys elevate their teammates, 267 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: and so we're paying them because they're so good that 268 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: they can take a cast of no one like nobody's 269 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: and elevate them. Like we've seen Tom Brady not disrespecting 270 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: like who the Patriots wide receivers have been, but he's 271 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: not played with like a level guys at all times. 272 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: We've seen Aaron Rodgers do it at times throughout his career. 273 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: He has elevated the play of guys that weren't necessarily 274 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: a level players. So the quarterback that you're paying that money. 275 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: He has to be able to show that he can 276 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: do that. Now, the problem comes when you pay someone 277 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: that kind of money and you know that they can't 278 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: do it. So we've talked about it in trucks and 279 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: trailers parlance, where trucks guys like Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson, 280 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: guys that can kind of carry the squad, Well, you 281 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: pay those guys. It's when you start paying the trailers, 282 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: the guys who need a level talent on the other side, 283 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: that's when your salary cap gets out of whack. And 284 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: that's what I think um decision makers have to determine one. 285 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: Is my quarterback a truck or trailer too? Can I 286 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: hold a hard line when I tell him and his representatives, Hey, man, 287 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: your guy's a truck. I'm not he's a trailer. I'm 288 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: not over paying him for what he brings to the table. 289 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: And if you can find that elsewhere, I'm fine because 290 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: I believe I can find another quarterback that is similar. 291 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: We we've we've talked to trucks and trailers for several 292 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: years and I love it. I think it makes perfect sense. 293 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 1: I was thinking of another car analogy though in this 294 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: in this scenario. You know, think about a a family. 295 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: So you got a family of six, right, buck, and 296 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: you know you want to go get a new vehicle. Man, 297 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: that sports car looks nice. Man, that thing is really nice. 298 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: It is first class. I mean that thing is comfortable, 299 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. But you can't fit all six people in 300 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: that sports car. Uh, So you gotta decide like, Okay, 301 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay the quarterback, but some of these other 302 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: guys can't get in the car, no one for them. 303 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: That is a great that is a great way to 304 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: do it. Because yeah, like I used to like sports cars, 305 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: with sports cars at the dangerous right, but my favorite 306 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: car because I grew up across the street. Um, Danny 307 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Peoples grew up and he played for the Cleveland Browns 308 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: for a little bit, so he used to come into 309 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: the neighborhood when I was a high school senior. He 310 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: had a white Corvette, I mean, DJ, it was a 311 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean a spectacular Corvette, pearly white rims and everything. 312 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: But the thing about a Corvette, it's only two season 313 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: that things like you can't get anybody in the back. 314 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: And so when we're paying these quarterbacks like high end money, 315 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: like Pat Mahomes. Pat Mahomes is a I mean, people 316 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: talk about him as a Ferrari or whatever it is, 317 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: but I know it's only two seats in the car. 318 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: So who are you leaving out? Does that mean that 319 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: a Travis Kelsey Chris Jones, Hey, we may have to 320 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: circle back and pick people have to make two trips. 321 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: So you have to make that decision. And I think 322 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: you have to start drafting for that contract now. So 323 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: when you think about this TN City Chiefs getting Kole Hardman, 324 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's there to replace Tyreek Hill, but 325 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: it makes a lot a lot of sense to go 326 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: to Nicole Hardman if he flashes a little bit, sign 327 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: him to an extension at real low money, right, big 328 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: money for him, but low money based on what Tyreek 329 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: Hills is making and saying, yeah, Tyreek Hill, we're gonna 330 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: go the other direction, or maybe Travis Kelson or somebody else. 331 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: But I think you have to have that conversation in 332 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: mind when you are beginning to talk about paying Pat 333 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: Mahomes at the end of his Ricky deal. And that's 334 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: why I keep coming back to the importance of being 335 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: able to draft. Well, you have to be comfortable with 336 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: players leaving knowing you're gonna get comp picks, or you 337 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: can trade players as they're going into the last year 338 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: if you're not gonna be able to resign them. But 339 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to get picks when guys 340 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: walk out the door, and you've got to be able 341 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: to hit the challenges when you're when you're a guy's 342 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: leaving and he's getting fifteen sixteen million a year somewhere else, 343 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: you got to try and find a way to replace 344 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: a fifteen million dollar player with the third, fourth, fifth 345 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: round pick. Um, that's difficult to do. But that again 346 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: is another theory that I that I believe in, is 347 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: that that's why you know the ability to trade back, 348 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: and some of the smart gms have done that because Buck, 349 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: if we agree with the batting averages are and hitting 350 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: these picks, there's one way to there's one way to 351 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: ensure you'll have more success. That's to get more of them. Um, 352 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: to be able to trade back and get more picks. 353 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: So when you have comp picks and then you have 354 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: the ability to trade back, man, now I got multiple 355 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: lottery tickets. I gotta hit on a couple of these things. Yeah, 356 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: and that also goes to something else. You've got to 357 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: be able to double down on some of those things, 358 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: like when you have a position of need, um, not 359 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: only do you throw draft capital at them, but you 360 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: throw some free agent capital added to make sure that 361 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: you really shore up the position. UM. I also wonder 362 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: when we're talking about this long term discussion, it kind 363 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: of shares light on why the coaching staff and the 364 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: front office have to be on the same page. Um. 365 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: If we go back and we look at the Seattle 366 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: Seyhawks and the success that they had with the legion 367 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: of Boom and those things, well, the reason they was 368 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: able to work is because the coaching staff were great developers. 369 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: They were unafraid to play young players. They gave them 370 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: game experience, and they had teachers that could get those 371 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: guys ready to play, which made it easy. It it's 372 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: easier for the team to move off of players when 373 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: they had to. If you don't have a coaching staff 374 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: that can develop young players, you can't build your team 375 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: the way that we're talking about building it. And if 376 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: you're not I would say systematic in your approach offensively 377 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: and defensively, where you have a level of consistency where 378 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: you can plug guys in and they can develop within 379 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: that system. It's hard to do it when we talk about, oh, 380 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: it's players over system, and we're gonna build a system 381 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: around the players. It's hard to have a player's over 382 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: system approach when you're trying to also kind of build 383 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: these things around the quarterback, because you can't have that 384 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: much change and have a level of the consistency that 385 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: will lead you to be a perennial contender with a 386 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: quarterback that is making all this money. Now. I know 387 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: they they only won one h championship, right with the 388 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: Colts with Peyton, only one, the only one one. But 389 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: if you look at the sustained success that they had, 390 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: I'll use another analogy. I don't know if remember this 391 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: from Sunday School, but you remember they used to say 392 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: they do that whole uh visual where they take it. 393 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: They have a big jar and they've got big rocks, 394 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: medium sized rocks, little rocks. They've got sand and they've 395 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: got water, and they go, okay, do you think we 396 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: can fit all this stuff inside this jar? And it's like, okay, well, 397 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: let me try and try and put some little rocks in, 398 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: put some sand in. Then you can't get and the 399 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: whole world of the story is you gotta get the 400 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: big rocks in first. If you put the big rocks 401 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: in first, then the little rocks and the sand, then 402 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: the water, then you can fill it all up. But 403 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: the whole moral of the story is, you know, make 404 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: the most important thing the main thing, the main thing. Right. 405 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: So if you look at those Colts teams, yeah they 406 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: couldn't pay you know, some players and guys walk, but 407 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: they always paid their edge rushers. Right with with Fremian 408 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: mathis they paid their edge rushers, they paid the quarterback, 409 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: and then they paid well, I mean they played the receivers. 410 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: What they didn't what they didn't necessarily spend a ton 411 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: of money on as the offensive line, which Peyton Manning 412 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: kind of was able to overcome. I never thought they 413 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: had a great line. They were okay, but never great. Um. 414 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: You know, they had some good corners, but they didn't 415 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: have elite corners. I have to go back and look 416 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: at they play a lot of Cover two back then 417 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: as well. Well. Yeah, because you're playing from you're playing 418 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: from a head. And so the reason why you paid 419 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: the pass rushers is a look, those guys affect the 420 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: game more than anybody more than in the corners or whatever. 421 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: It's easier to find corners that can sit and play 422 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: cover too. Like, no disrespect to all the Tampa two 423 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: corners that are out there, but it's easier to teach 424 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: guys to play that system. Um. To go on top 425 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: of that, DJ is funny. You talked about who they paid. Um, 426 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: it's not only who they paid, it's where they spent 427 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: their draft capital. Right. So if you look at what 428 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: they did is they had Paydon Manning and then they 429 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: threw their first round picks at wide receivers. Okay, so 430 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: for those four or five years, you get Marvin Harrison, 431 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne and all those guys on cheap Yeah, Tony, 432 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: you get them on cheaper deals. Now their pass rushers. 433 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: They drafted Dwight Freeney early, but Robert Mathis was like 434 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: a fifth or six round pick kind of developed, and 435 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: then they paid them. Then everybody else you gotta get 436 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: in where you fit in. And so that's just kind 437 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: of how it worked. And the funny thing about Bill Polian. 438 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: Bill Polian, who built the Coats, came from the Buffalo Bills. 439 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: He used the same thing to build the Buffalo Bills. Up. 440 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: He had Jim Kelly, who they got from the USFL, 441 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: Andre Read who they've developed and eventually paid uh Thurman. 442 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: Thomas was a Hall of Famer, Bruce Smith was a 443 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer on the d line. But it was 444 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: the same thing. Quarterbacks, pass catchers, edge rushers, and then 445 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: they would always draft the first round running back. But 446 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: never I mean, he wouldn't resign. He didn't resign, He 447 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: didn't resign. Marshall fall he didn't resign Edren James. They 448 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: drafted uh just a die oh Joseph, and Joseph died 449 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: in the first round, but they never made him and 450 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: so he was on it. It worked for them. The 451 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: only reason that fell apart is because paid Man and 452 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: got hurt and they had Curtis Painters, so they didn't 453 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: have a backup quarterback that could sustain. Yeah. Again, I 454 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: just think it's you gotta have a plan right there. 455 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: There's sometimes it's not the right plan of the wrong plan. 456 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: It's just you have a plan, you don't have a plan. 457 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: And I think that, Um, it's a fascinating discussion on 458 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: what happens when you pay these quarterbacks, But I think 459 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: I believe it can't be done, and I know, uh, 460 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: I think men at Kimes are buddy. ESPN had actually 461 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: pointed this out at one point in time because it was, 462 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, for the crowd that says you can't win 463 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: with a quarterback on a second contract. You know, do 464 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: we know that? Uh? You know that the Seattle is 465 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: gonna be able to recover an on site kick to 466 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: knock out Aaron Rodgers? You know, does that have anything 467 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: to do with the second contract? That we know? The 468 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: you know, the music or the miracle in Minneapolis? You 469 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: know that play happens that I mean, if that doesn't happen, 470 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: then then Breeze moves on. Plus the mispass interference penalty 471 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: against the Rams. You know, who knows that that Saints 472 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: team could have won the championships. So some of those 473 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: factors I don't think have anything to do with whether 474 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: or not, you know, you were able to build a 475 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: good enough roster. You just got some dumb luck. Yeah, 476 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: you have some dumb luck. I think the thing that 477 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: comes out of all of it, um, you have to 478 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: really be able to major in the draft. It makes 479 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: it a lot easier to build a team if you 480 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: can major in the draft. Like some executives can major 481 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: in free agency because the apples to Apple's evaluation. They 482 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: understand how to pick it, but it's very costly when 483 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: you go that route. Um, the guys that are able 484 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: to major in the draft and really draft will and 485 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: draft will at various rounds of the draft, they're the 486 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: ones that can kind of build sustainable models regardless of 487 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: whether the quarterback is getting paid or not. I just 488 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: think it's understanding exactly where you are with a quarterback 489 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: and being able to shift gears from a team built 490 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: a standpoint based on how you have to treat the 491 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: quarterback if he's a big money guy or if he's 492 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: a rookie guy. If he's a rookie guy, now I 493 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: can surround them with vets because I need those guys 494 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: to win early before I have to pay him. But 495 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: once he gets paid, now if flips and we got 496 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: a draft better But no, it's again, it all comes 497 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: down to the draft. At the end of the day, 498 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: you gotta be able to sustain your success. You better 499 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: be good in the draft. Uh. Speaking of the draft, 500 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: and we look at the quarterbacks from the last three 501 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: draft classes eighteen, nineteen, and twenty. We talked a little 502 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: bit about this the other day. But I just want 503 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: to know if there's another name that you would that 504 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: you would bring to the forefront. Um. I know I 505 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: mentioned that I would take Kyler Murray out of all 506 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: that group. I know you said you predicted Kyler was 507 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: going to be the m v P, so you said 508 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: the same thing, right, would would take Kyler out of 509 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: this group? Yeah? I would, look, I would take Keyler 510 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: out of that group because, like we talked about being 511 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: efficient and explosive, He's efficient as a past He's explosive 512 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: as a playmaker. Um Lamar Jackson is a bit of 513 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: a unicorn. UM. I like building around him, and I 514 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: like everything that Baltimore has done because Baltimore has basically 515 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: put him in an offense that really works with his talents. 516 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: He can throw from the podet, he can run around 517 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: and make plays, but they put attract him around them 518 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: and it works. But the guys that I would really 519 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: focus on the three guys, and I think these two guys, 520 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: however you rank them, Baker may feel, Sam Donald and 521 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and the reason I put all three of 522 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: them in that conversation because we've seen flashes from all 523 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: of them that would suggest that hey, they can win, 524 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: they can get it done in a variety of ways. 525 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield had an outstanding first year, fell back his 526 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: second year. Sam Donald. We really haven't seen the best 527 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: of Sam Donald because, look, he had the injuries, with 528 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: the weird stuff happen his first year. They didn't have 529 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot of talent around him. Then last year I 530 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: was still contend they haven't had many pieces around him 531 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: to really allow us to see how good he can be. 532 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: And then with Josh Allen, look, he's been a bit 533 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: of a force of nature in terms of being a 534 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: runaround quarterback that has really utilized his legs far more 535 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: than we envisioned when he was coming out Wyoming. He 536 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: has armed talent, but now he is really surrounded by 537 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: a caster playmakers that should allow him to maximize his talent. 538 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: If he can't get it done now, we'll just kind 539 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: of know where that sealing is. But the three guys, 540 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald, Josh Allen, they're all intriguing. Which 541 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: one of those three would you kind of bank on? Well, 542 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: I you know, out of those three, I would still 543 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: stick with Sam Donald. Let let me pull pull some 544 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: numbers here for you, buck Um and this will some 545 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: people will think of this as sacrilege when I make 546 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: this comparison. But I'm looking at Sam Donald's career and 547 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: how it's started off, right, and it's been you know, 548 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: some injuries, it's been inconsistent, play, a lot of losses. Right, 549 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: if you go back, I think people forget along Drew 550 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: Brees is played in this league. But if you go 551 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: back and look, right, his first year, Drew Brees did 552 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: not start a game. Um second round pick. Right, it's 553 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: twenty two year old's twenty three year old. He starts 554 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: sixteen games, they go eight and eight with the Chargers. 555 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: He has seventeen touchdowns, sixteen picks. Okay, now we get 556 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: into his third year, he's twenty four years old. He's uh. 557 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: And in this year he started, let's see eleven games 558 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: and they go to and nine. Drew Brees has eleven 559 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: touchdowns and fifteen picks. So now we're we're three years 560 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: into his career and he really hasn't done a whole lot, right, 561 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean one touchdown, note picks, seventeen touchdowns, sixteen interceptions. 562 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: Eleven touchdowns, fifteen interceptions. They lose a lot of football games. 563 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: But what happened. They started to build a better roster, 564 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: and then you go into the next year, now his 565 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: twenty five year old season. UM, he starts fifteen games, 566 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: they go eleven and four. In those games, twenty seven touchdowns, 567 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: seven picks. The next year with the Chargers is his 568 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: last year before he hurts that shoulder, right, they go 569 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: nine and seven. He has twenty four touchdowns, fifteen picks, 570 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: UM and uh and played well there and then obviously 571 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: he goes to New Orleans and the rest is history. 572 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: But that was not It wasn't an immediate coordination there 573 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: for Drew Brees when he started his career. I think 574 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: people forget that in the era we are now where 575 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: so many these guys have so much success and the 576 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: verdict is in UM. I think when you look at 577 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: the surrounding circumstances with Sam Donald compiled with the limited 578 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: amount he played sc it's a couple of years there 579 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: and then UM some of the mistime. I I don't 580 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: think we're anywhere close to seeing what Sam Donald's gonna 581 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: be And I think maybe this is another year where 582 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: they're under five hundred UM. But I still believe in 583 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: the long term project, there was Sam Donald Yeah, So 584 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: it was interesting that you brought up to think about 585 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: Drew Brees right, because even the Charges themselves didn't fully 586 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: believe they drafted Philip Rivers number four overall. Now to 587 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: Drew Brees is credit. You re stepped up and played 588 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: his tail off those last couple of years, and Marty Schottenhammer, 589 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: they kind of changed how they played there, a little 590 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: more physical, a little more run oriented. Um that enabled 591 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: them to kind of take some of the pressure off. 592 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: And he was very, very efficient, and so he was 593 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: able to stave off Philip Rivers with two years or 594 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: maybe three years, two years before they finally had to 595 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: give it to him. And so I don't know if 596 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: not even the league, but if outside forces have the 597 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: patience to see like a quarterback developed. We kind of wanted, 598 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: like uh, instant oatmeal. We want to be able to 599 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: pop it in the microwave for two and a half minutes, 600 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: comes out and he's ready to kind of lead us 601 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. And I just think the circumstances have to 602 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: be right for a young quarterback to be able to 603 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: do that. And when you draft a quarterback at the 604 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: top of the board, typically you're drafting him to a 605 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: bad team, a team that has a lot of holes 606 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: beyond the quarterback situation, and so it does require his 607 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: maturation and also the team continued to fortify those areas. 608 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: Um Baker Mayfield. I felt like we talked about Baker 609 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: Mayfield a little bit on the last podcast, or know 610 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: we've talked about him Baker Mayfield situation year three typically 611 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: being to make a break year. I think this is 612 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: the first time that he's actually set up to have 613 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: outstanding success. I think, uh, and you've talked about it 614 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: in terms of the three P formula, play caller, playmaker protection. Well, 615 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: when I look at the play called Keevin Stefanski runs 616 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: a heavy play action offense that really works well with 617 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. When I looked at Baker Mayfield's numbers DJ, 618 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: there is a thirty six point jump in his passer 619 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: rating off play action as opposed to straight drop back pass. 620 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: His passer rating is one oh six point one off 621 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: play action, nine touchdowns only three interceptions. I mean, it 622 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: makes sense to me to build a very play action 623 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: heavy offense and then with the twelve personnel packages that 624 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: we've talked about in the advantages of having in Joeku 625 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: and Hooper and Landry and Odell Beckham Jr. With Nick 626 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: Chill behind him, he is just better set up to 627 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: have success if he can kind of rain it in, 628 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: and so I think he's going to jump. I think 629 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: the guy who has the biggest question mark would be 630 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. And the only reason is because when I 631 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: look at the personnel. They put Stefan Diggs around, they 632 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: have Cole Beasley, they have John Brown, and those guys 633 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: can all school and get open and do those things. 634 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: But when I look at Josh Allen, I think Josh 635 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: Allen's inaccuracies kind of needs you to be a little 636 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: more play action heavy, a little more traditional in terms 637 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: of twenty one and twelve personnel, fake it, throw it deep, 638 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: big windows, kind of like Kim Newton had to play. 639 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know if their personnel completely matches up 640 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: to how Josh Allen has to play, And so I 641 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: kind of need without being able to see him in 642 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: mini camp and training camp, I need to kind of 643 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: see it before I can say, Okay, yeah, he's ready 644 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: to go there. When you look at that Bill's team 645 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: buck there there's two rookies. I'm intrigued by it because 646 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: you've got John Brown, Stefon Diex Cole Beasley. Right, none 647 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: of those guys are big, but they're real good route 648 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: runners and you get some vertical play there. But we 649 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: talked about them, you need to get some size. So 650 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: they draft Gabriel Davis at a U c F in 651 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: the fourth round, and they draft Isaiah hodgens Uh in 652 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: the sixth round at of Oregon State. And hodgens is 653 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: is uh not somebody that's very fast, but he's got 654 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: a huge catch radius. Um. I know it's a later 655 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: round pick. People might not think much about it, and 656 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: they've got those three starters. One of those two guys 657 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: gotta step up and give them some size. Man, they 658 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: don't have any size. No, they don't have any size because, 659 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: like with him, is really important. Like I would think 660 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: of Josh Allen and I would go back and use 661 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: the old Chargers model. I'm gonna get these basketball players, 662 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: these big guys to expand the strike zone. So if 663 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: he is inaccurate, like those guys can go get the 664 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: ball off um the alley. You can do those things. 665 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: I think the other rookie that is very important Zack 666 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: Moss because Zack Moss physicality and toughness goes with the 667 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: run thing. Devin Singletary had a very very solid rookie season, 668 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: like his yards brook carry was very very impressive. But 669 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: Zack Moss gives them a little toughness, a little physicality. 670 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: And when we think about the Buffalo Bills and how 671 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: they're kind of hard had blue color football team, they're 672 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: going to need to rely on the run, and every 673 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: running game can't all be Josh Allen, and so I 674 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: think Zach mass has to also play a role as 675 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: they're kind of building this offense and Brian day Ball 676 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: is kind of floating in and out of a bunch 677 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: of different person nail packages to cry and take and 678 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: try and create and exploit personnel matchups. Yeah, I feel 679 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: like in a weird way, Josh Allen might have more 680 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: pressure on them than anybody else in this in this 681 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: class because they're kind of viewed as the favorite in 682 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: that division. The front runner Cleveland obviously is Chase in 683 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: Baltimore the Jets, even though Tom Brady's gone, I think 684 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: most people would say Buffalo is clearly the favorite above them. 685 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: So I think there's a little more pressure there on 686 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Um buck Let's let's get to this last 687 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: topic here on on teams of the line of scrimmage, 688 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: because we talked about the importance of being able to 689 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 1: blaye well to quarterback position, being able to rush the passer, 690 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: and then also the offensive line. We've always said it's 691 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: hard to be a bad team when when you're good 692 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: in the trenches, you know when you're when you're a 693 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: real dominant team there. So I wrote down my top 694 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: five teams in terms of where they are the line 695 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: of scrimm much offensive line combined with the defensive line, 696 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: and and tell me what you think and see if 697 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm missing anybody here. Uh. Number one on my list 698 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: would be the Saints. Uh. I think when you look 699 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: at their offensive line, it's complete. Um, you look at 700 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: the defensive line, especially with Marcus Davenport if he can 701 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: be healthy to compliment Cam Jordan's and the rest of 702 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: that crew, they can get after the quarterback both off 703 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: the edge and inside. Um, I think they're they're the 704 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: top one. The Niners would be second from me. You know, 705 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: Joe Staley goes out. Trent Williams if he's healthy and right, 706 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 1: has a chance to maybe be an upgrade there at 707 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: that position. So they're good on the offensive line. UM. 708 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: And obviously we know about the defensive line, the depth 709 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: that they have there, so they would be to Philly 710 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: would be third. You know, a lot is gonna be 711 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: writing on Andre Dillard stepping in there for Jason Peters. Um. 712 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: It was inconsistent last year. Obviously much more comfortable on 713 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: the left side than the right side. But when you 714 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: look at at Kelsey and Lane Johnson and Brandon Brooks, 715 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: those guys are elite players on the offensive line. And 716 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: then I feel like people kind of forgot about the 717 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: Eagles and what they did in the offseason when you 718 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: look at that defensive front they have. When you put 719 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: Hardgrave next to Uh, Fletcher Cox, and then you've got 720 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: Brandon Graham and Derek Barnett, that's a pretty good group 721 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: there on the defensive front. So they they would be 722 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: third for me, Casey would be fourth. Um. We know 723 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: about their offensive line and how good they are, Mitchell 724 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: Schwartz probably the best right tackle in the NFL. UM. 725 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: And then you look on the defensive line with the 726 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: big two with Chris Jones and then Uh and then 727 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: with Clark coming off Frank Clark coming off the edge. 728 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: So they would be four, and then I put Indi 729 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: at five and now and he doesn't have Justin Houston 730 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: coming off the edge. I don't think he's what he 731 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: used to be. But when you make the trade to 732 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: bring into Forest Buckner along the defensive line, I think 733 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: you know he's gonna compliment him very well. Um Comoco 734 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: Terrey's is an interesting young player that they've got Autrey there. 735 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: They've they've got a good group on the defensive line 736 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: and then offensive line, and we've talked a bunch about 737 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: them over the last couple of years. They're very good there. 738 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: So all five of those teams, I mean, they're they're 739 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: playoff teams. They're they're five of the best teams in 740 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: the NFL. And it's no secret they're really good in 741 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: the trenches. No, really good and it's hard to kind 742 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: of argue with any of them. Uh, Kansas City, I 743 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: worried a little bit about their offense line because they 744 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: had some injuries last year. They were exposed a little bit, 745 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: but now they're they're tough. The one thing team that 746 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: is the notable admission omission to me would be the 747 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. And I know some of that has to 748 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: do with Marshall Yonda retiring. But Ronnie Staleley has become 749 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: a good player uh Orleno Brown has has been much 750 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: better than anticipated defensively. The moves that they made in 751 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: getting Calais Campbell, their wolf coming over, UH has kind 752 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: of fortified their front Matt John uh was a double 753 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: digit sack artist. I think they are one of the 754 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: teams is kind of on the outside looking in that 755 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: I I could. I think we can make a case 756 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: that they could be included in that mix. Yeah. The 757 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: only thing that kept them off from me was, um, 758 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: you know, just the interior of the offensive line and 759 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: Yonda not being there is a big part of that. 760 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: But um, the way they play, you know, guys being 761 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: a little bit limited maybe in past protection along the interior. 762 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter because that 763 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: they have defenses playing on their heels because of all 764 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: the different things they're gonna do, and they're gonna mow 765 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: you in the run game and then uh and in 766 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: the past game the team teams are having to play 767 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: them run to pass, you don't see teams you get 768 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: the chance to really pin their ears back on these guys. Yeah, 769 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: and like some of it is systematic, like DJ's like 770 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: playing those old Air Force and Army teams and Navy 771 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: and all those things where they may not have the 772 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: most impressive offensive line on the hoof, but they play together, 773 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: they play well within the system. That system is very 774 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: problematic with all the deception and misdirection, the power gaps stuff, 775 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: the power read run games that they're running. They give 776 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: you a lot. They throw a lot of pitches at 777 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: you and you kind of feel like you're on your 778 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: heels from the jump. Um. You know, it takes me back. 779 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: I hate to keep represents most but he talked about 780 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: when he had to throw the knuckleball Tony Quinn. They 781 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: hit you with a flurry of knuckleballs that just kind 782 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: of leave you days in befuddle at the line of scrimmage. 783 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: And so, uh, Baltimore is definitely in the mix. I 784 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: think the team that people are surprised at isn't in 785 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: there because a lot of what people have talked about 786 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: for the last three or four or five years has 787 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: been about the Dallas Cowboys office, the line of how 788 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: dominant they are and d JA when I study them 789 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, like they haven't been there 790 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: more reputation than reality. Like, uh, Tyron Smith was a 791 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: really good player, uh, three or four or five years ago. 792 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: He's not the same level player. Lell Collins um. You know, 793 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: we we talked about him potentially being the first round 794 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: pick before all this stuff happened, and he goes undrafted, 795 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: And I still think that those pre draft opinions kind 796 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: of hang around him because I don't know if he's 797 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: dominated to the level. And so the Dallas Cowboys being 798 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: a team where on the outside we expect them to 799 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: be a dominant thing, Dak Prescott has this fortress in 800 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: front of him, and I don't think they played to 801 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: the level. And then on defense, the Marcus Lawrence had 802 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 1: a great year, but the last a couple of years. 803 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: Inside he hasn't had a playmate. Brobert Quinn was there, 804 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: but he's gone. So who is the guy that compliments 805 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: him On the inside, They're hoping it's Gerald McCoy, you know, 806 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: but Jerald McCoy is not what he was as a 807 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: younger player. Pounds, he lost twenty towns lost twenty pounds. 808 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: He said, he what was he doing Peloton, what was 809 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: he doing? I don't know, Like last year he talked 810 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: about his loss of his closeness may have been due 811 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: to his vegan diet. He was a strict vegan last 812 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: year and said that he just kind of felt sluggish 813 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: at times. So he's kind of mixed it up and 814 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: going back to it. He's he's worked out hard. And 815 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 1: they don't only have Jermal mccoity, got Ntari Poe playing 816 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: rightow him, So they got two big bodies. And you 817 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: know Mike Nolan who was our former colleague in from network. 818 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: He uh, he wants to kind of use a litt 819 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: of hyperd defense. So we'll see how it goes. But Nah, 820 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: that top five looks solid. The Baltimore Ravens are the 821 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: one team to kind of stands out to me. Yeah, 822 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: that's a good one. I think you're you're on it. 823 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: I can make a case there. You didn't make a 824 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 1: very strong case there for the Ravens being in that mix. Um, 825 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: so maybe we just do top six top That's how 826 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: I get around that. Uh well, buck man, it's uh, 827 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: it's part of me feels if it feels wrong, like 828 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: talking about anything, you know, other than what's going on 829 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: in the world. But it was enjoyed why and it 830 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: was it was fun just to take a little break 831 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: here and talk some football. Yeah, no, no, no doubt, man, 832 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: football is always king. Uh, it'll be great to get 833 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: back to it. It also be great to kind of 834 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: get back to being able to not only look at 835 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: his NFL talent, but some of these young guys that 836 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: are kind of popping up on the radar for one draft. Yeah, 837 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: I've got a first look. Oh that is because I 838 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it, because, yeah, your first look, 839 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: the first one came out on Justin Fields. And I 840 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: know we had the conversation about all three quarterbacks at 841 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: the top last last week, about Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields 842 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: and trade lance. But real quick, like what did you see? 843 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: Like what was the deal your report on Justin Fields? 844 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: Just your first look? I mean a lot of Dak 845 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, I know you talked a 846 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: lot about Jalen Hurts and Dak Prescott actually saw it 847 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: even more with with with him. I thought there was, um, 848 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, the strength that they have to be able 849 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: to pull through tackles in the pocket and uh be 850 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: able to make every single throw. He's a He's a 851 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: He might not be the most explosive runner, but he's 852 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: a talented runner. He can make guy miss, he can 853 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: he can pull through tackles. He's physical, he's tough. Um 854 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: and then as a passer Um, I'm hoping with him, 855 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: I'll see a little bit of that same evolution we 856 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: saw with that going into his last year Mississippi statement. 857 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: I thought he made a big leap there. Um and 858 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: and Fields makes you know, makes good decisions. Needs get 859 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: the ball out a little bit. We talked about that 860 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: on the last episode. Just get the ball out on 861 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: time a little more. Just overall vision. Um can be 862 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: areas he can improve, but you know, he's he's intriguing. 863 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: He's a really intriguing player who makes a lot of plays. 864 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: And I thought when you kind of went to the 865 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: tape you could see after he got the knee injury 866 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: that he wasn't really kind of the same guy Um. 867 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: So hopefully Ohio State gets a healthy version of him. 868 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: But he's a he's a really good football player. And 869 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: that's the the first of the first Look series. I 870 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: got twenty of these things coming out, So I've got 871 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: got pen A Sewell is coming out next from from Oregon, 872 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: so we can talk about him on the next episode. 873 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: But I watched him and he's a he's a really 874 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: good player, so he'll be the next one up. It's 875 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: funny because, man, Mario Crystal Ball we're up to he 876 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: could not stop singing his praises. So there he is. 877 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,479 Speaker 1: There is right there, He's right there. That think also 878 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: coaching another one. When Marlon Davison said he was the 879 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: toughest player that he played, that's when my eyes open, like, 880 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, he got he got Marlon Davidson a couple 881 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: of times. He got him a couple of times. That 882 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: was the first tape that I watched. It was a 883 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: really good tape for him. So really good player. Um, 884 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: so that'll be that'll be the next one up, and 885 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: then after him, I've already watched him, but I've got 886 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: to write him up. Is a guy you know, going 887 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: back to the Elite eleven was the linebacker from Penn State, 888 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,439 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. Um really athletic. Uh So we talked about 889 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: those guys on the next one. All right, Buck, this 890 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: has been fun man, It's good to see you. Um 891 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: looking forward to the day where we actually be together again, 892 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, like actually in person. You know, hopefully that 893 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: day is a close I know, hopefully, Well it's closer 894 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: today than it was yesterday, so that's that's how I'm 895 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: looking at it. Anyways. Thanks thanks again man, Thanks to 896 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: uh Ton, bill Mark, our Juna, everybody for kind of 897 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: helped put these things together. Our shows again. The TV 898 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: show will be Thursday, six pm Eastern. You can find 899 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: it there where we'll have our guest Colin's Worth, and 900 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: be on the lookout for the audio podcast as well, 901 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: where we'll release the entire interview we had with the 902 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: sixteen time Emmy Award winner who's got some outstanding perspective. 903 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: So that's gonna do it for us. Thank you guys 904 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: so much for listening. We'll catch you next time right 905 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: here on Move the sticks.