1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by Draft Kings. We have 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: the pleasure of sitting down with Raven's director of college scouting, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: David Blackburn. Thank you for joining us, David for. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: Having me me. 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: No, it's not your first time in lounge, right, this 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: is second third. 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Second time, second time you guys have come up since 8 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: the first time. Man, we didn't you didn't have this 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: nice studio. 10 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: You have a studio exactly now we're get in fancy Yeah. 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: All right, So first question for you, do you think 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, Eric always talks about how like he goes 13 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: into the draft and he's like, you know, I probably 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: know the guy that we're going to draft, Like I 15 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: could at least narrow it down to three guys. Would 16 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: you say you could if you had it right now, 17 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: the names of three to five guys that you say, yeah, 18 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: that guy's probably gonna be a Raven. 19 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have a range, you know, you 20 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: know where you're looking for kind of I've identified those 21 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: those guys, and you know, positionally guys would be excited 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: to get you know, and it's realistic too. It's not 23 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: like you just man, I want these guys to to draft, 24 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: but they're not gonna be there right likely, but I 25 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: think we have a good idea of you know, a 26 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: handful of guys that'll that'll be available, you know, when 27 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: we're on the clock and we'll be excited to draft. 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: This is your follow up question, the yuck yucks or 29 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: who's it going to be right? 30 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: For Garrett? 31 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: I know, well I'm actually gonna go different route. I 32 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: know it was set there on the tea for me. 33 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: But do you guys ever play like you and the 34 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: other scouts like kind of that game going into a 35 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: draft weekend you're like, all right, like basically you me 36 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: and make do our mock and then really the focus 37 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: of our entire weekend is who ends up hitting any 38 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: picks in the mock. That's really all we're worried about. 39 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: So do you guys, even though obviously you have the 40 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: inside information, you can't control what other teams do. So 41 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: do you on the scouting side ever kind of have 42 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: built out whether it's a mock draft or who it's 43 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: going to be in the first round and then have 44 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: that debate and who has bragg and racer over the 45 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: course of the weekend. 46 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: No, Like, I don't think we we necessarily have mock drafts, 47 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: although if you ask Corey Frazier are our West Coast scout, 48 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: he's He's made his West Coast draft for the Ravens. 49 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: Every from the West Coast. 50 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: And it's actually a really good draft if you look 51 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: at it, like if we if that was our draft, 52 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: I'd be happy with. I don't think we necessarily like 53 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: do that. I do think that we have our wish 54 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: list of guys at the different picks that we hope 55 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: we do pick because of the excitement or the feeling 56 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: that we have and the value at those picks. Again, 57 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: scouts are realistic. They know, you know a good range 58 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: of the guys that are going to be there at 59 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: the certain picks. So I think it's more of a 60 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: wishless type of Hey, man, if if we're in the 61 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: fourth round and this guy's there, man, he'd be a 62 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: great He'd be a great fit. He'd be a great Raven. 63 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Right now, when we Gary and I released our seven 64 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: round Ravens mock drafts, do you print those out, laminate them, 65 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: bring them into the draft room with you? 66 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: Of course? I mean you guys see the papers that 67 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: Eric has lined up in the sequence and then this 68 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 2: the mink and Garrett. 69 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: Where are He's like, you know, it's been a few years. 70 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: Is to make hit one. Let's go ahead and throw 71 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: on the bone here or we were gonna pick him 72 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: and then we see that me and then we're like, nah, 73 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: we know that's a bad pick. Well, a different direction, 74 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: all right. 75 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: So obviously a lot of talk about wide receiver and 76 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: cornerback this year, you know, being kind of at or 77 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: near the top of our needs. So we want to 78 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: go through some of the top players at each of 79 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: those spots and just kind of get the scouting perspective 80 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: on those guys. So we'll start at everybody's favorite position 81 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: to talk about wide receiver, Jackson Smith and Jingma. Now, 82 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: I know he might be out of the Ravens range 83 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: potentially according to mock drafts, but you know, the scouts 84 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: take what's your take on him? 85 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: Good football player and he's been a good football player 86 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: since high school. You know, the thing about Jackson is 87 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: that he's just a super productive player. Didn't play last year, 88 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: essentially didn't play all this past season due to a 89 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: hamstring issue. But if you go back to two thousand, 90 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: in twenty two, excuse me, twenty twenty one game footage. 91 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: He's putting in work, and that's a that's a receiving 92 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: corps that had Garrett Wilson, you know, the offensive Rookie 93 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: of the Year, and the Chris Lovely who went to 94 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: New Orleans. So I mean, and those guys each had 95 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: big time seasons as rookies, and this guy led the 96 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: led them and receiving that year. And he capped it 97 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: off in a game that neither of those guys played 98 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: with over three hundred yards in the Rose Bowl against Utah. 99 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: So again, just instinctive, savvy, smart, great hands, really good 100 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: after the catch. He's just smooth, a guy who just 101 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: knows how to play the wide out position. And so 102 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: when you think of him, the big question is is 103 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: he going to be able to play outside and make 104 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: those same type of plays. You know, maybe he can't. 105 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: Maybe he can't, but we've seen in the league guys 106 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: with his similar skill set dominate the league. You know. 107 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: Being a West Coast guy, have a scout out the West, 108 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: you know, I think a guy's like Cooper cut Up. 109 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: I think the guys like I'm in Ross Saint Brown. 110 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: You know, He's kind of in that similar category as 111 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: far as size and skills now. 112 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: The biggest dude, but really possmoth big enough. 113 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: You know, they're probably a little bigger than you think, 114 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: but just really savvy and really knows how to uncover 115 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: on the inside. Third and eight, I'm going to you, 116 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: you're gonna get ten, you know. Uh, Second and ten, 117 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna get twelve. We're gonna just keep 118 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: he keeps, He keeps, drives, rolling big, big, big situations. 119 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: When you need a play, he's gonna come through. 120 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 3: Right So I would say, right now, wide receiver. The 121 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 3: players who are most likely and most often mocked to 122 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: the Ravens. Jackson sounds like a great player, but most 123 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: of marks have him gone by the time we're on 124 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: the clock at twenty two. It's save Flowers, Quentin Johnston, 125 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: Jordan Addison, and then some have Jalen Hyatt. It seems 126 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: like those are kind of the Ford and Hyatt not 127 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: as much, it doesn't seem But can you kind of 128 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: run through the breakdown of those guys and what stands 129 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: out about their games? 130 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? And the good thing about that is like all 131 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: those guys are unique. They all bring something different to 132 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: the table that's uh, that makes them really good. Jay 133 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: Flowers is just pure electricity, fast, quick, explosive. He can 134 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: line inside, he can line outside. For a guy that's 135 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 2: five nine, one hundred and eighty pounds, you don't expect 136 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: him to be able to align outside and be successful, 137 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: but he's got the skill set to be able to 138 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: do that. 139 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 4: Uh. 140 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: Really good hands. Just a playmaker? 141 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: Can I on jaiyh? I'm just curious, like and it's 142 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: always I always hate like comparing a guy to a 143 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: potential Hall of Famer, But Steve Smith is someone who 144 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: naturally would come to mind what he said that he 145 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: saw right. 146 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: Steve said watching Zay, I see flash flashes of myself 147 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: kind of right. 148 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 3: And so of course I hate to put the Steve 149 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 3: Smith label on a guy coming in out of the draft. 150 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: But do you if you were scouting, you know Steve 151 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: Smith whatever or was fifteen years ago when he came 152 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 3: out in the draft, Well, would the Scotty report read 153 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: basically the same as what we're saying about Zay Flowers 154 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: right now? 155 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: There would be some similarities. And again I didn't do 156 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: Steve when he came out, but I think it also 157 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: just speaks to where the game's at right now because 158 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: back then, you know, smaller guys weren't necessarily coveted. It's 159 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: just kind of like the NBA where it was the 160 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: big It's all about the big man right in the eighties, 161 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: nineties to the early two thousands. You know, now it's space, 162 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: pace is shooting, it's skill. So like smaller guys, you know, 163 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: have more of a lane. And this guy, what makes 164 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: me unique is that even though he's like a shorter guy, 165 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: he doesn't play small. You know, he plays physical. He 166 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: can go up and tack at the high point, he 167 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: could play through contact, he can break tackles. And the 168 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: thing I think that separates him, which again you include 169 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: Steve in this category. Especially guys that are smaller that 170 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: are you know, number ones or big time playmakers, they 171 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: have that mentality. They have that playmaker mentality, that dog 172 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: mentality in how we describe it, that raven mentality where 173 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: I want the ball, I want to make plays. I 174 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: love the physicality of the physical aspect of the game. 175 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm I'm that guy, and I'm gonna 176 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: coming through because I've been doing it all my life, 177 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: you know, so like and you can't you can't fake that. 178 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: And he's got that right. 179 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: And Jordan Addison, obviously a Frederick, Maryland guy transferred from 180 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: pitt to USC. You know, seems like definitely a burner. 181 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: He can he can get up to feel make big plays. 182 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: What do you see from him? 183 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's probably one of the best route runners in 184 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: the draft. He's just smooth. I mean, everything looks the 185 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: same speed, everything looks effortless. Uh, short to medium. He 186 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: can get open and uncover, and you can also get 187 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: behind the defense for the for the big play. Again, smooth, instinctive, 188 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: very good hands, I mean excellent hands, really and he's 189 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: been a productive player since he's hit the college level. 190 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: And I mean he's he's the rare guy who might 191 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: you know, take a dip in quarterback play when he 192 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: gets drafted because he's caught passes from you know, one 193 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: first round quarterback in Pittsburgh and the guy that got 194 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: at USC. You know, he's probably in pole position to 195 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: be the first pick in so like he's uh, you know, 196 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: he's benefited from great quarterback play, but he's also a 197 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: great receiver in his own right. So he's got the 198 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: makeups of being a really really good pro. 199 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: That's awesome. So all right, let's take get over to 200 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 3: quarterback and uh, you know that's another spot I think 201 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: there that obviously you could look to it to address 202 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: Joey Porter Jr. And Deontay Max. Okay, so obviously we 203 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: all know the storyline with Joey Porter Jr. And obviously 204 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 3: his dad all that with their games. Where do you 205 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: see the similarities? How are they different? And do you 206 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: you know, think that either of those guys could be 207 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: a quality option if they're there in the first round. 208 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're both really good players. I think 209 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: the similarities is that they can both walk up to 210 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: the line getting a white house face and play press man. 211 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: It's gonna look a little different. Joey is a longer, taller, 212 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: kind of more of a smooth moving, longer twitch, leggier 213 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: athlete and coverage. But he's also a really good athlete 214 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: for that size and to be able to uh mirrorwire 215 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: receivers breaks transition, and he's got long speed. With with Tay, 216 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: he's more of a twitch, you're more explosive athlete, and 217 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: he's a kind of a muscled up guy, you know. 218 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: I like the way he plays. He's a physical player. 219 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: So like, those are the similarities. I think maybe uh 220 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: tayste a little bit more versatile as far as like 221 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: where you can align him and the type of the 222 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: white house that he can cover based on a skill set. 223 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: But you know, Joey is a guy that can he 224 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: can be an a racer. You know, like he's running 225 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: he's running the hip pocket with a guy down peel 226 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: you you may not be able to see the receiver 227 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: with that. With that frame that he has, he's just 228 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: he can just naturally shield passing lanes and make it 229 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: tough for receiving to complete passes, complete passes. 230 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: One other guy, Emmanuel Forbes that just wanted to bring up, 231 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean talk about a playmaker at corner. It's an 232 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: interceptionist machine. 233 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: No doubt. I mean it's rare. I mean the guy's 234 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 2: got six uh pick sixes in his career. I mean, 235 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: like that's that's like Madden numbers. Yeah, Marster, Marcus Peters, 236 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like and again, if you 237 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: if you do it in college, you're going to do 238 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: it in the league. You know. Marcus Peters, he he 239 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: had a unique, uh a unique ability to just put 240 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: himself in position, uh to to flip the field. You know, 241 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: a lot of guys can can break up passes or 242 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: you know, maybe even get a pick and get tackled 243 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: or fall, but Marcus would pick the pass off and 244 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: take it to the house, you know, And he did 245 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: that at Washington. I saw that up close when I 246 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: was doing the West and man, you know, there was 247 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: there was no change. You know, he's been nothing but 248 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: a playmaker, you know, his entire career in the league. 249 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: And you know, man, it's got got those types of instincts. 250 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: You know, he's long and smooth, he's athletic, he's fast, 251 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 2: he's got great ball skills, type of guy that's kind 252 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: of like good at everything, you know, basketball, golf, baseball. 253 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: You know, he's just kind of a naturally gifted guy. 254 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: And I really like his demeanor and you know how 255 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: he approaches things, just a really mature dude. 256 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 3: So I think there's some similarities. Just going back to 257 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: receiver in this class as a whole, it reminds me 258 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of the twenty nineteen class. And when 259 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: you look at it, like, obviously that was the year 260 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: that we drafted Hollywood and it ends up being a 261 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: really quality draft class. Hollywood's first receiver off the board 262 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: that year at twenty five. And now when you're looking 263 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 3: at these mocks, of course they're just marks. We'll see 264 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: how next week plays out. But you know, it's looking 265 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: like there could be three or so in the first round. 266 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: Potentially there might be fewer than that, and. 267 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 3: Maybe fewer and could there you know, could could there 268 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: be no receivers off the board when the Ravens are 269 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: on the clock at twenty two, like that possibility exists. 270 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: But then of course you look back and it ends 271 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 3: up being a really good receiver class. Hollywood and AJ 272 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: Brown and DK Metcalfe, we could go on through. So 273 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: you know, it basically took longer for anybody to come 274 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: off the board. But the quality of the class was there. 275 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: Do you see similarities in this class and what there 276 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: was in the twenty nineteen class. 277 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: I think there's similarities and that there's a lot of 278 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: quality depth. Again, I think basically the league messed up. 279 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: They didn't know what they was looking at. There's some 280 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: great players that got picked, you know, in the second round, 281 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: third round in that wide receiver class. And again, Hollywood's 282 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: a really good player. He's a great player, you know, 283 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: and he kind of unfairly gets compared to those guys 284 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: that got picked after him, you know, as if he's 285 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: not as good, but he's still a good player. But 286 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: like those those guys you mentioned, deebo aj Brown, Metcalf McLaren, 287 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: like McLaurin, those guys are like great players, so strong class. 288 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I will never say that there's no guys 289 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: like that in this class because there's a lot of 290 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: guys that we're excited about and had the potent to 291 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: be really really good NFL wide receivers. I do think 292 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: that as a class, going from like first round all 293 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: the way down to the late rounds, there are guys 294 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: that possess something special about them that's going to make 295 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: them a quality NFL player. You know. Sometimes you know, 296 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: you see you look at the class, you're like, man, 297 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: it's just really not much here. I mean I'm looking 298 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: at it and I'm like, man, I could see guys 299 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: that we could take with any of our picks that 300 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: can come in and contribute and you know, really help 301 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: us win ball games. And also again there's a lot 302 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: of I mentioned, you know, the receivers that you you 303 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: talked about, we talked about before. You know, all these 304 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: guys are different. You got your your smaller slot, guys 305 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: that can return punch. You got your big exes that 306 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: can go up and high point the football. You got 307 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: just your really crafty route runners that are probably mostly 308 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: in the slide or you know, you got your speedster's. 309 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: You know, there's there's a little bit of everything. You know, 310 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: you got guys that are going to be really good 311 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: specially Yeah, there's a lot of them. So I feel 312 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: like in any round, you know, we'll be arranged to 313 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: to take somebody that's going to come in and fill 314 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: a specific need for us at that position. 315 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: You talk about Hollywood and him being a really good player, 316 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: right and at wide receiver. You know Bateman, we've obviously 317 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: seen the talent that he has, right if he stays healthy, 318 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: like I think we can all see what kind of 319 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: player he's going to become. Devin Duvernet really great pick, 320 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: third round or multi year pro bowler. Now, you know, 321 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: obviously there's been a whole lot of talk about the 322 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: Ravens drafting history at wide receiver, but you know, some 323 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: really good players the past few years that we've drafted. 324 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: There has there been any kind of takeaways from that, 325 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: and you know that we got really good players at 326 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: wide receiver in the draft. 327 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's imperfect. You know, the draft is imperfect, 328 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: you know. You know, all these guys are good enough 329 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: to be picked and be in the NFL. We've just 330 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: we've been struck by injuries, you know at that position. 331 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, just Perriman like it's it's been bad. 332 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: You know, Like I don't know how to explain it, 333 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 2: you know. I mean we were we were probably one 334 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: of the hotter offenses, you know, the first month of 335 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: the season, you know, so you could tell the difference 336 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: when a guy we lose a guy like for Shan Bateman, 337 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, the exposiveness that he brings. I mean, he 338 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: was a first round pick for a reason. So like 339 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: I just think, like with the wide out position, and 340 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: this is just me, it is like flavors, everybody's got 341 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: the wrong preference, right, because there's so many different types 342 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: of receivers out there. I think it does come down 343 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: to need, It doesn't come down to fit, comes down 344 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: to the type of quarterback you have, whatever. But I 345 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: think in general, if you got guys that can run routes, 346 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: they're instinctive, they're tough, and they can catch the football 347 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: in different situations and they've shown the track record that 348 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: they can do it consistently as far as the production 349 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: piece and be able to make big plays in big games. 350 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: I feel like that translates like a lot of the 351 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: receivers that I've done in the past, you know that 352 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: maybe weren't you know surefire, you know, first round picks 353 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: because of all the testing numbers or the physical attributes. 354 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: You know, those are the type of guys that end 355 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: up having good careers or even exceeding expectations of what 356 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: they're as we're going to be so. 357 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: At cornerback when you look through the team history, you know, 358 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 3: as we're talking about history here, when you've taken a 359 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: first round corner, it's gone, well, you you go back 360 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: to Marlon Humphrey, Chris McAllister, Twain Starks, right, am I 361 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: missing anybody? 362 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: All right? 363 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 3: McAllister Starks and Marlon thank you? Good picks, right, and 364 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: you've had a lot of success there. So what is 365 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: it that you know, similar to wide receiver, what is 366 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: it that you that stands out when you're taking a 367 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: cornerback in the first round that you've been able to 368 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 3: assess and kind of dissect what is going to allow 369 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: them to have a successful transition to the NFL stage. 370 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: Well, outside of just the physical skill set, I feel like, 371 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: don't treat the corner position differently than the rest of 372 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: your defense. Uh, you know, just because you know they're 373 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: going to be the outside and they're covering you know, 374 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 2: all these skill guys, and they got to be able 375 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: to run, and they got to you know, be athletic 376 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: and all this, they still have to have that type 377 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 2: of edge that we want, you know, you know in 378 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: our defense, I mean front seven, our safeties. You know, 379 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: they gotta be physical, they gotta be tough, they got 380 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: to be able to tackle, They got to have an 381 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: edge to them. And just because your corner doesn't mean 382 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 2: you're exempt from that, you know. And if you think 383 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: of the Christ MacAllisters, the Jimmy Smith's, the Marlon Humphreys, 384 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: you know, those guys have that, you know, but they 385 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: also were big, long and can run too. So you know, 386 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: again like when we took Marlon Humphrey, I don't think 387 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: we got like a's across the league, right, we all 388 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: missed it. 389 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 3: We all missed on Marvel how we needed a corner 390 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 3: and it was like the Alabama corner has been really 391 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 3: good and like nobody had us taking him. I remember 392 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: when we drafted him, it was like Marlon Humphrey, we 393 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: gott to do my research on this guy. Don't remember 394 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: writing anything about him. 395 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like there was no They barely spoke 396 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, you know what I mean. But you know, 397 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: as evaluators in the department wise, both the coaches and 398 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: the scouts, you know, this guy had pretty much what 399 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: everything we wanted, you know, like he had started two 400 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: years freshman sophomore year at a major college. He played 401 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: big time games, he played against big time receivers. He 402 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: was productive, he was tough, he was fast, he came 403 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: from a great pedigree, you know, so like he had 404 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: all the things that we were looking for. He just 405 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 2: wasn't you know, included or just maybe just thought of 406 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: as highly as some of the other guys that came 407 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: out that year. But like again, I remember when I 408 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: first watched him. The very first game I put on 409 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: was the USC game, and again I was still scout 410 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: in the West. I throw that game on and he's 411 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: lined up across from Juju Smith Schuster. He's pressed up 412 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: in the first play. Damn, I mean, he just jams 413 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: the heck out of and drives him out of bounds 414 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: and shuts him down. I'm like, like this guy, yeah, 415 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: you got my attention. And then it was just more 416 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: of the same, you know what I mean. So like 417 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: it was kind of I thought it was kind of 418 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: cool to see. You know, he had to face juju. 419 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: Uh you know two times a year, right. You know 420 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: we all talk about the punching the ball out and 421 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: you know, stealing the wind like that was he was 422 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: making those plays. But that type of physicality and that 423 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: type of mentality as a player, as a corner, I 424 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 2: think that's what kind of makes our defense what has 425 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: been over the years. Right. 426 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: One thing I'm excited about in this year's draft is 427 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: we got some turps. We got some players coming out 428 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: of Maryland. So you know, if I'm making my monk, 429 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: I might have to have a few turtles on there. Home. 430 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: You have to. You have to. Uh So I need 431 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: we already talked about the ante banks. 432 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: How often do you guys talk about turps when. 433 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: This is rare? 434 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: You know, I'm the Ohio State guy, so I'm always advocating. 435 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ohio State guy who didn't go to a high. 436 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: St they grow up a club as that couse. 437 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: Like, I'm gonna let him shine. 438 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: This is your time. 439 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: Your time. 440 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: Got jail and Duncan. We got to tackle. We got 441 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: Jackoreyan Bennetts. We got two corners going out of there 442 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: and rakeem Jared. Can you give me a little breakdown 443 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: on those guys. 444 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Duncan athletic left tackle, he's got He's got 445 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: all the tools that you want. Yeah, just really about 446 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: consistency with him, and you know he'll tell you that. 447 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: But as far as like, you know, uh, quickness, bend, athleticism, strength, 448 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: you know, he's got all that. Yeah, so he can 449 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: you know, he's he's got a left tackle, starting left 450 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: tackle ability, Jacana Bennett, super fast, I mean he smoked 451 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: it at the comp. But he plays that way, you know, tough, scrappy, 452 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: super smart. The thing you love about him is that 453 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: he could play basically any spot in the secondary and 454 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: for how we play, you know, we we love that versatility. 455 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: But he's fast, he's competitive, really good makeup. Great dude, 456 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: had a good week at the Senior Bowl. And he's 457 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: going to be a good space teamer, gunner, jammer, all 458 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: that stuff. So he's he checks a lot of boxes. 459 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: For what we're looking for as a as a dB. Yeah, 460 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: and then and then rakeem Jarrett, RAKEM Jarrett, you know, physical, 461 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: uh fast, good hands, productive, has a lot of confidence 462 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 2: in his ability. He's not going to be overwhelmed by 463 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: the next level. And you know, I wouldn't be surprised 464 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: if he, you know, walked in and ended up earning 465 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: a role early and making plays early for whoever drafts right. 466 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: All right, so quarterback, you know, there's a lot of 467 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: talk about the guys at the top, the four players 468 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: who are probably gonna go in the first round and 469 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 3: how early they go and and all that. You know, 470 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: that'll obviously there'll be a dominant effect to the rest 471 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 3: of the draft and how that plays out. But when 472 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: you look at the class overall, do you like the 473 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 3: depth of the quarterback position? You know, Eric talked at 474 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: the pre draft press conference about how you know, there's 475 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: more than four quarterbacks in this class who could end 476 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: up being quality starters in the NFL, And just what 477 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: is your take on the depth of the quarterback position 478 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: in his class. 479 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: I think it's deeper for us this year, mainly just 480 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: because of our scheme change, you know, and are changing 481 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: and coordinators, the things that we're going to be asking 482 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: the quarterback to do. You know, uh, with Greg Roman, 483 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: you know we're a little bit more of a QB 484 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: run designed offense. You know, uh, zone read those types 485 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: of things, and you know that you really cut off 486 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: a lot of quarterbacks now that now not a lot 487 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 2: of quarterbacks are able to you know, operate in those 488 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: systems because they just don't have the speed and athleticism 489 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: or even the size. But now it's just like you know, 490 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: it's there's more wide open now, man, we can we 491 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: can kind of fish from a from a deeper pool 492 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 2: and you know, find some prospects that can come in 493 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: and uh and play. As far as like the depth, 494 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of a lot of good 495 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: depth on Day three because there's a lot of guys 496 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: that have have played a lot of productive football, have 497 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: thrown for a lot of yards. There's a lot of 498 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: really smart guys technically sound, uh, operate quickly in the pot, 499 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: can process quickly and are accurate. So I think when 500 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: you got guys that you know, they're tough, smart, their leaders, 501 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: they got really good makeup, they're accurate, and they've been productive. 502 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna have a chance. And then also 503 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: guys are able to move around a little bit more. 504 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: You're seeing more and more mobile quarterbacks. So there's there's 505 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: a lot out there. You know, they may not be 506 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: getting a lot of hype. It's all about being the 507 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: top four. Yeah, it's always about the top guys. But 508 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: you know there's there's gonna be some good players that 509 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: get drafted, you know, Day two, Day three. 510 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: So only five picks right now? How weird is that? 511 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah told us that if we only make five picks, 512 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: he'll eat a piece of paper. He'll just eat his paper, 513 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: whatever he's got in front of them. So I kind 514 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: of want to see that, but I kind of mobile picks. Also, 515 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: how weird is it from your perspective having just five picks? 516 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: And and is there a part of you in the 517 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 1: back of your mind that's like, yeah, we're probably going 518 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: to make more than five picks. 519 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I wouldn't be surprised we made more 520 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: than five picks. But I think also right now, our 521 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: team is ready to win. You know, we got a 522 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 2: really really good team, and we got a deep team, 523 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: and we need guys that's gonna come in and uh, 524 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: and help us elevate and come in right away and contribute. 525 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: And you know, with five picks, if we get five, 526 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: you know, really good players that can come in and 527 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: do that. I'm all forward. I mean right now, I 528 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: guess I guess what I'm saying is we're kind of 529 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: really more about quality than quantity. Right now. We've had 530 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: bunches of picks for last year. I mean last year. 531 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: I mean we're in the fourth round. I mean we 532 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: can't even really like celebrate the pick because we're going 533 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: to be back on the six picks. You know, Eric's like, like, man, 534 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: I just called this, dude. Now we're up how many? 535 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: How many picks we got? 536 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 3: You know? 537 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: So but you know, everybody talks about the ninety nine draft. 538 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: I know Eric brought it up in this pressure, the 539 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: early nine draft where we drafted uh, you know, McAllister 540 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: Mooley Stokely and we only had four picks point Dexter 541 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: an three point Dexter. But three of those those three 542 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 2: guys ended up being great Ravens for us and helped 543 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: us win the Super Bowl. And I'll take it back 544 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: to even when I was here, the old nine draft, 545 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 2: where we had six picks and the first three Michael Orr, 546 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 2: Paul Krueger, and Ladarius Webb. Those three guys their their 547 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: core foundation pieces for that run we had during those years. 548 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: They eventually led to the Super Bowl. Michael Orr was 549 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: probably one of our most valuable offensive linemen, especially that 550 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: Super Bowl year. Paul Crewe grad nine sacks that year, 551 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: I believe, and. 552 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: He got red hot. 553 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 2: And then Webby, you know, he got injured that year 554 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. But prior to he was the best 555 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: nickel in the league, you know, and he was a returner. 556 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 2: But even like in our last pick of that draft 557 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: was Cedric Peerman and you know he didn't end up 558 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: making our team out of training camp, but he played 559 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: in the league. Yeah, he played in the league like 560 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: ten years. He was a special team. 561 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: Beals for that's him again, he's still there. 562 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: Now. You want to you want to get Eric rouled 563 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 2: up man, bring up pyramid, you know, because he kind 564 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: of fit everything we kind of look for in a 565 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: late round guy, tough. You know, I bet Zach. 566 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: Zach Steeler in that category too. You want to brawl up. 567 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: There, Yeah, I mean sometimes it don't take much to 568 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: roll up. Just bring up. You bring up guys in 569 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: the seventh round. That could have could have you know, 570 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 2: it could have been a feather in our head. You 571 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying is we've had really really good drafts. 572 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: We've had great trips with less picks, you know what 573 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying. So if it does end up sticking with 574 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: we got five picks, I'm hoping we hit three or 575 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: four and they're gonna be core pieces in you know, 576 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: this run that we're gonna go on and end up 577 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: getting another Super Bowl. 578 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 3: So what are the meetings like this time of the year. 579 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: Oftentimes people ask like, what's it like in the room 580 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: on draft night? And everything that I've heard over the 581 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: years is that, like, actually, on draft night, it's pretty Uh, 582 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 3: it's a little bit more like formulae, Like the debates 583 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 3: have taken in place prior to that point, and so 584 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 3: that once you get into that room, you've got the 585 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 3: board set, it's almost more quiet, but the debates are 586 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 3: taking place basically now and then the meetings that have 587 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: been taking place over the past couple of weeks. So 588 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: what are those meetings like when you are building that 589 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: board and you have those stand on the table moments 590 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: where guys are really advocating for the players they believe in. 591 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: Well, I think most of the most of the standing 592 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: on the table and debating happens probably in February, because 593 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: February is where we actually set the board, you know. 594 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: I mean we have smaller meetings throughout the fall, you know, 595 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: once in late October, another in December when the scouts 596 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: come in town to set like our top players top thirty. 597 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: Each guy goes over their top thirty that they saw 598 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: in the during the fall. But the full board that 599 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: happens in February. So you do a lot of back 600 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: and forth and you know, standing on the table and 601 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: all that. So when we bring the coaches on board 602 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: for the April meetings, the early April meetings that we 603 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: had a couple of weeks ago, you know, scouts have 604 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: kind of already said their piece, and you know the 605 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: coaches are coming in with their fresh set eyes. We're 606 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: there merely merely to you know, we can't steal, you know, debate, 607 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: and we we do debate. You know, I don't think 608 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: it's as knock down and drag out as you know 609 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: people might think. I think it's and I think a 610 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: lot of that comes from, you know, the continuity with Ozzie, 611 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: Eric and Harbes over the years. We're in a good rhythm. 612 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: You know, we got a nice flow going, so you know, 613 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: there's an expectation. You know, when a guy says something, 614 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: you know you mean it. We're all speaking the same language. 615 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's nothing, nothing crazy is really happening in 616 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: the draft room. If there's if there's certain players or 617 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: certain positions that we got to spend more time on 618 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: and really get our point across. And you know, I 619 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: think Harves does a great job of trying to uh 620 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: bring up different points of view or be a descending voice. 621 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: Then we talk, walk it out or challenge, challenge the 622 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: coach and challenge the scouts, really press them like, man, 623 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: I didn't see it. And then you know, to their credit, 624 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: they'll stay firm if they believe it, and then they're like, 625 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: all right, well let's move on. So again, I just 626 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: think we're in a really good rhythm. I think a 627 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: lot of the heavy lifting has been done, especially at 628 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: this point. You know, it's, uh, it's just really tinkering 629 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 2: right now. You know, we got our sequence list going, 630 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: talking to the to the rest of the guys that 631 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: are coming in on visits, so it's it's it's kind 632 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: of more like the actual draft day at this point, 633 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 2: you know, formulate, methodic, chill. We're just we're checking our 634 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: boxes and making sure everything's straight right. 635 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: So I want to get a little bit into your 636 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: career background, being that you came you're Indianapolis guy went 637 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: to De Paul University I pronounced that correct, right to Paul, 638 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: just outside of Indy. Got a degree in economics and 639 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: a minor in history. So what career did you envision? 640 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: You're playing football, so you're a cornerback. That for your 641 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: star corner. The school's only four time s c AC recipient. 642 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 3: This guy, he did his research, He his research. 643 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: Into work, got to do the film study, really getting 644 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: the note. So, I mean, despite playing football, you know, what, 645 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: what career did you envision when you came out of school? 646 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: This? You know, this is what I wanted to do, 647 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: and it was it was well again, I knew I 648 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 2: wanted to work in sports. I knew I wanted to 649 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: work in football. Didn't know what that was going to 650 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 2: be and how it looked like and how I was 651 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: going to get in. But you know, something happened my 652 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: senior year where a guy that I played with, a 653 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: guy by the name of Joe Shane, who is now 654 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: the general manager for the New York Giants. We were teammates. 655 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: He was a senior, I was a freshman. I saw 656 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: an alert on our website alumni in the news, and 657 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: there was a little headline of him being hired as 658 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: a scout for the Panthers, and I clicked it and 659 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: I read. I was like, that's it, Yes, what I 660 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: wanted to do. And from that on. From that on, 661 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 2: I kind of just been I was pressing my head 662 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: coach to help me and you know, help me network 663 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: and get me in contact with people. And it didn't 664 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: happen right away. I didn't even get a job in 665 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: sports when I first graduated. But at some point I 666 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: did enough stuff that I knew I didn't want to 667 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 2: do to just really dive deep and just really go 668 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: forward with the football thing and what do I need 669 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: to do to get in And you know, long story short, 670 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: I got a job as a grad assistant coaching cornerbacks 671 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: at Butlery YEP. And then I was actually on my 672 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: way to go to Miami of Ohio to be the 673 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: GA there, and then the Ravens contacted me like that 674 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: week before I was going to go, and I totally 675 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: head coached it. I said, hey, man, I'm there, I'm 676 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, but I got to pursue this because this 677 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: is what I want to do into this credit. He 678 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, go ahead, man, you know, if you 679 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: get it, great, If not, you got a job here. 680 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 2: And I ended up getting it. That was back in 681 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. 682 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: So had you, like mad Ad a network connection with 683 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: the Ravens and we're like kind of knocking on the door. 684 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: They just heard about you from some well, I. 685 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: Think I think the connection ended up being a guy 686 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: by the name of Bill Reese, whose son Tommy Reese 687 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: played it. Notre name, it was the o c there 688 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: and so he was an executive. He was like the 689 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: director of player personnel with the Browns, and he had 690 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: worked with my head coach. My head coach name was 691 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 2: Nick Morosis. He passed away a couple of years ago, 692 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: but he worked with coach Nick at Northwestern and so 693 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: you know, Chief, that's what we just called him, Chief. 694 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: Coach Nick, he called him Chief. You know, if he 695 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: wanted to help you, he go above and beyond to 696 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: try to help you, and you know, he put me 697 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: in contact with a lot of people. And there's there's 698 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: like three or four other guys that graduated from the 699 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 2: Paul that are scouts in the league. So he did 700 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: contact with them. Another guy's a coach, put me in 701 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: contact with him. So but Bill Reese ended up being 702 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: the big connect and I got an interview with the 703 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 2: Browns when when Phil Savage went over there to take 704 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: the GM job. He went over he went to Cleveland 705 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: to be the director of player personnel with Phil Savage, 706 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 2: and Bill knew Eric, and so I guess you know, 707 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 2: Eric might reached out and asking for you know, names 708 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: for candidates to interview for the one of the player 709 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: personnel assistant positions, and you know, Bill passed my name 710 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 2: over to him, and you know I got the interview. 711 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: That's awesome, But I mean, you know that was kind 712 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: of beginning. I mean, you grinded in that role for 713 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: like five five years, right before he became an area 714 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: of scout out in the West. I mean, just I 715 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: guess what I'm curious about is what advice would you 716 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: give to somebody who's out there He says, I want 717 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: to be an NFL scout. You know, there's tons of 718 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: people out there, you'd probably say that, what advice would 719 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: you give them? 720 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 2: Well, again, just try to get into football, you know, 721 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: in any capacity, and and and then just grind, you know, 722 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 2: work as hard as you can get when when you 723 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: get that job, whatever it is, it could be, you know, coaching, 724 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: it could be you know, as a recruiting assistant, you know, somewhere, 725 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: it could be, it could be anything. If you can 726 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 2: get in there, work your butt off, you know, do more, 727 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: ask what you can do, ask for more. You know, 728 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: just be willing and able to help any and everybody 729 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: and make positive, have positive interactions with everybody that you 730 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: come across, because that's really all you're doing. You're you're 731 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: you're you're building your name, you're building your reputation. So 732 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 2: you know, if you get in somewhere and you're able 733 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: to you know, be around people, well, how do I 734 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: want them to think of me? I want them to 735 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: think of me as a hard worker, you know, a 736 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: selfless worker, somebody that can do quality work, who's able 737 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: to do any and everything that they ask. And it's 738 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 2: a good person. So like, you do that, and you'll 739 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 2: make your positive connections and you'll build your network You'll 740 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: be surprised to how many people will want to go 741 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: out of the way to help you achieve your goals 742 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: or get where you want to be. 743 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 3: Right, So, as you kind of write up the ranks 744 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: in the scouting profession, you go from the player personnel assistant, 745 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: and you become an area of scout and then a 746 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: national scout and now you're the director of college scouting. 747 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 3: You know, this role, How does it? How do things 748 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 3: kind of change for you? You know, certainly you're not yet, hey, 749 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: you're not living out you know, out West anymore with 750 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 3: scouting those guys and just focus on that area. But 751 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 3: what changes when you step into a director of college 752 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 3: scouting role? 753 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 2: Everything changed for me really, you know, and I think 754 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 2: all the change, you know, because I've been in a 755 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: certain position or doing a certain job. You know, even 756 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 2: when I went from area to national, it was just 757 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: a different version of the same job. You know, this 758 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: one is just a little bit more different because it's 759 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: like you have guys that are doing the job right, 760 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 2: and you're more in a supervising role, organization role, information role. 761 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 2: You know, you just really you're more about the process 762 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 2: and making sure things are in line so that every 763 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 2: thing run smoothly, you know, making sure you're looking into 764 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 2: the future to make sure that everything is lined up 765 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: for when we got to when we get to that point, 766 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: making sure all these different boxes are checked for the 767 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 2: things that we have and need. So, like that's been different, 768 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 2: and you know, doing it help just just doing it 769 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: in the office. 770 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 4: You know, coming tom into an office. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, 771 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 4: you know, I mean I feel I feel like a 772 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 4: new person. It's been been ten years since I've been 773 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 4: in the building full time, man, and there's a lot 774 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 4: of new faces around here now. But you know, uh, honestly, 775 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 4: just moving the family out, you know, it was a 776 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 4: lot of I mean I was single, you know, me 777 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 4: and my me and my wife. 778 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 2: We were just together at the time. You know, we 779 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: weren't even engaged at that point when we moved out. 780 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 2: And then you know, we come back and we got 781 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: three kids. 782 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: You know, big change. 783 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, big changes. So those are all, you know, big changes. 784 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: And then the role and you know, finding your way 785 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: and finding your role and you know, integrating with with 786 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 2: what everybody else is doing and how things are rolling right. 787 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 2: So this I'll say, like this it's kind of like 788 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 2: the you know, after this year it'd be like the 789 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 2: rookie going into a second year where you're just you're 790 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: ready to go into that second year because you know 791 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 2: you'll be a lot better than you were a rookie year. 792 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 2: I remember my first year as an area guy. I 793 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 2: couldn't wait till the second year because I was like, 794 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be way better. I know what I did wrong, 795 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: I know how I can be better, you know, And 796 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 2: you couldn't wait for that second So that's kind of 797 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 2: where I'm at right now. 798 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: So what's better eating at the cafeteria downstairs every day 799 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: or eating in and out or Burger while you're on 800 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: the road in your car. 801 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 2: Well, this might be controversial, but anything is better than. 802 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: Attention. 803 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 2: Chad Steele, Yad Steal, Steve Clagging, all those guys. 804 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hot take. I like it. Five guys over 805 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: in and out. Yeah yeah, I would agree. I would 806 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: agree any day. I like it. I like it hot 807 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: on the podcast. Uh So, I want to go back 808 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: to a cool moment last year during the draft in 809 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: which you know, Eric turns to you during that fourth round, 810 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 1: near the end of the fourth round and says, uh, 811 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: you know, I think we're going to take this this 812 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: cornerback Pepe Williams and kind of looks at you and 813 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: he's like, David, you know you you really feel good 814 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: about this guy, right, like you stood on the table 815 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: for this dude. You feel good? Should we take him? 816 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: And you're kind of I might be butchering this a 817 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 1: little bit, but you're basically yeah, like I have conviction 818 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: on this guy, right, and then you got to call 819 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: him and be the one that I think called him first. 820 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 2: Right. No? 821 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: No, okay, okay, you didn't announce it to him. No, 822 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: you just got on the phone with him. 823 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just got yeah. 824 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but I was, I was Did you even 825 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 4: like that? 826 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 2: You're like, no, no, I was like the no, I 827 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 2: got him like harves past the phone to me down 828 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 2: the line. I was down the line. I definitely. 829 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: But what what was What was that moment like for 830 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: you when Eric turns to you kind of before making 831 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: the pick and say, you know, asking your last minute 832 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: opinion like that? 833 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean it felt great because it's just like, 834 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 2: you know, these are important moments, you know, and you 835 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 2: know he had the confidence to ask me, you know, 836 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 2: or verify you know, because I mean, you know I 837 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 2: already told him, you know, like throughout the process, you know, 838 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 2: that was a guy that you know, I wanted us 839 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: to target, and you know that was I mean, that 840 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: was a rare moment that just right. You don't usually 841 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 2: see that. Oh no, no, you don't usually see that. 842 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 2: But it was humbling and I didn't take it lightly 843 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 2: and I felt honored and I felt proud that he 844 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 2: would think to say that. 845 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 846 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 2: And but but that's the job, because we do that 847 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 2: all year, you know, with no cameras or no you know, 848 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 2: videos or nothing. So like that's the job. The job 849 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,879 Speaker 2: is giving your opinion, having conviction, giving me your reasons why 850 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: here's the vision that I have, and I hope you 851 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 2: know this is why I want them, you know. And 852 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 2: again the ultimate goal is like that happens for players 853 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 2: that you know, we bring in and they become good 854 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 2: players and they help us win games, and you know, 855 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 2: we're all happy. That's what that's that's why we're here. 856 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: Right Pepe look pretty good and good as a rookie too. 857 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: It's got to feel good when you go out there 858 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, my guy. 859 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,439 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, man, But you know, let's look good all year. 860 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 2: Let's look good next year's you know what I'm saying, 861 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 2: let's go and we we got a lot of guys 862 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 2: that you know, did some things at different moments, you know, 863 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 2: in that rookie class. But I think all of them, 864 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 2: we're all looking for them to do better and do 865 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 2: more this year, you know what I mean. And that's 866 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 2: what's exciting. It's exciting when you know Kyle Hamilton, Kyle 867 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 2: Hamilton have some has some rough patches early in his career, 868 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 2: and he navigates his way through and he fights his 869 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: way through, and then he ends up making big plays 870 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 2: and he looks like the player that you all hope 871 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 2: that he was going to look in a playoff game. 872 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 2: It looks. It's great when a guy like Tyler Linderbaum 873 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: is fighting through a you know, an injury or you know, 874 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 2: he's just trying to find his way as a rookie, 875 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 2: and then games starts to slow down and he starts 876 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: to set the tone and then you see him pancaking 877 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 2: guys on Monday night football football. You know, like that's 878 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 2: that's exciting. You know, you feel good about that. We 879 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 2: got a lot of guys in that rookie class that 880 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: you know did great things or did good things to 881 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 2: build on, and or didn't have the year that they 882 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 2: hoped they would have had, or hit some adversity. But 883 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 2: they're right here, they're back in the building right now, 884 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 2: and you know they're gonna they're gonna try to push 885 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 2: through and have better years this year and help us win. 886 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: Right well, I'm sure we're gonna get a lot more 887 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: guys like that, some some hits for sure. 888 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 2: Let's go. 889 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Yeah, appreciate that. 890 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, all right, big thanks to David 891 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 3: Blackburn for stopping by the Seat Geeks studio. 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So really enjoyed having Blackburn here. 909 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 3: You know, it's been awesome to see him. You know, 910 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 3: over the course of his career go from like he 911 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 3: talked about being somebody who was, you know, kind of 912 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 3: a low level scout, just got his foot in the 913 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 3: door and has you know, risen up the ranks. He's 914 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 3: a great evaluator, knows the game really well, and just 915 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 3: somebody who you know, I always enjoy talking talking ball 916 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 3: with him, whether it's on lounge or just around the building. 917 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 3: He's done a great job. So thanks to him for by. 918 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So I have an email here from 919 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: Riley Runberg says excited for another draft year, might even 920 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: be more excited to see how bad Mink can screw 921 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: up another month draft. 922 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 3: That's always a highlight of trash Week. 923 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: Come on, he says, what does the the Jalen Hurts 924 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: signing do for Lamar's contract negotiations? Lamar wanted Odell. If 925 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: we can get him a first round wide receiver in 926 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: the draft, do you think that will be enough for 927 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: him to stay and sign long term? That's the first 928 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: question there. 929 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 3: Garrett, Well, you know, the this was certainly when as 930 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 3: soon as the Jalen Hurts movers announced, everybody starts asking 931 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 3: that question, how does this affect the Lamar Jackson negotiations? 932 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 3: I think at a very big picture level, it's another 933 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 3: contract that was not a Deshaun Watson contract. You know, 934 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 3: it kind of shows the Deshaun Watson contract, which there's 935 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 3: been a lot of comparisons to that, that was the 936 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 3: outlier that you know, fully guaranteed two hundred and thirty 937 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 3: million dollar contract is in a league of its own right. 938 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 3: So this was more in line with the other, call 939 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 3: it regular contracts that have been handed out, you know, 940 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 3: to big name quarterbacks over the course of the last 941 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 3: you know, several years, a lot of a lot of 942 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 3: quarterbacks have gotten paid, and they're more inligned with the 943 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurt steal. The total value on the Jalen Hurt 944 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 3: steal is more than anybody else. That's what happens when 945 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 3: these deals get done. You know, the overall value just 946 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 3: keeps going up. But you know, in terms of the guarantees, 947 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 3: you know, that's more in line with what we've seen 948 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 3: in recent years. 949 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: Right, And what we've heard from the NFLPA certainly is 950 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: that they're pushing for more of these fully guaranteed contracts. 951 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: And the more that continue to not get signed, the 952 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: more that looks like it's. 953 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 3: Not going to be the new normal, right and and 954 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 3: and so how does it affect the Ravens and Lamar Jackson. Well, 955 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,839 Speaker 3: the truth is that even with all this said, and 956 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 3: it's up to it's really up to Lamar Jackson. And 957 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 3: then of course the Ravens, like Lamar Jackson may say, well, 958 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 3: I don't care you know about that. I want this, 959 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 3: you know, I want whatever the number is, right, And 960 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,879 Speaker 3: so even if Jalen Hurts got this contract, Laire may say, well, 961 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 3: that isn't how that's not the contract that I want, 962 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 3: you know. So you know, I think that like it. 963 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 3: I think at a big picture level, it gives you 964 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 3: more of a sense of this is what the marketplace 965 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 3: is for for really talented quarterbacks. Obviously, Jalen Hurs just 966 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 3: went to a Super Bowl. But when it comes down 967 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 3: to the Ravens and Lamar Jackson negotiating, I don't know 968 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 3: if that contract will be brought up or be part 969 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 3: of the equation or you know, it will affect how 970 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 3: either side believes that that deal should get done. 971 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. So any big takeaways from David Blackburn's appearance here. 972 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just thought he, you know, great insight. I 973 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 3: thought it was you know, we were talking about receiver. 974 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,879 Speaker 3: I enjoyed some of his perspective on that. I thought 975 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 3: the NBA comparison was an interesting one, the space comparison 976 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 3: when I asked him about Zay Flowers and you know, 977 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,399 Speaker 3: going back, you know, to a Steve Smith, you might 978 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 3: not have said, like it was just like this guy 979 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 3: might be too small, and so they would have gotten danked. 980 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 3: But the game has changed and it's a more wide 981 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 3: open game, and so the size component may not be 982 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,359 Speaker 3: quite as relevant as it was, you know, fifteen ten 983 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 3: years ago. 984 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: Right and even after you know, after the interview, he 985 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,000 Speaker 1: kind of brought up Antonio Brown that regard you know 986 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: who ended up going the sixth round, right, you know, 987 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: and it's saying like, well, back when he was drafted, 988 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, there was more of the you're looking for 989 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: the big you know, physical x you know, smaller guys 990 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,879 Speaker 1: like that kind of thinner rail you know, Reil thing, 991 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: guys like yeah, they went in the sixth round, you know, 992 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,800 Speaker 1: and that could have been a contributing among other reasons 993 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: that he went so late. And now guys like that, 994 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean even you're looking at Jordan Addison, who's a skinnier, 995 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, lighter dude. He could be a first round pick, yeah, 996 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: you know. And Zay Flowers you bring up he was 997 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,359 Speaker 1: a shorter dude, you know, with shorter arms and all that. Well, 998 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: he's a playmaker, you know, Okay, we want a playmaker. 999 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: And so it is interesting how things have changed. I 1000 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: thought it was also notable, you know what he said 1001 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,720 Speaker 1: regarding quarterbacks and how you know, with Greg Roman's scheme, 1002 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, you're really looking for a more mobile quarterback 1003 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: who could operate that scheme really well and the run 1004 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: option and all that stuff, Zone Reid stuff, and now 1005 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, in a Todd munkin offense, it's more wide open. 1006 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: You know, you're drafting more of the traditional quote unquote quarterback. 1007 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 1: And now that doesn't mean that the Ravens don't want 1008 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, if they're looking for a backup to Lamar 1009 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: Jackson or whatever, they would still probably want somebody with mobility. 1010 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 2: You know. 1011 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: Todd Munkin talked about how these days at quarterback. You know, 1012 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: one of the tenants, you know, the big tenants of 1013 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: what makes a good quarterback is he can make unscheduled plays, right, 1014 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: can like make some plays with his legs, either to 1015 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: buy time to throw or run like that is just 1016 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,240 Speaker 1: in today's day and age. We talk about Jalen Hurts. 1017 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: You know, you don't see the Drew bled says that 1018 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: you don't see you the way you play quarterback in 1019 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: flag football here. You don't see you anymore. You're a dinosaur. Yeah, 1020 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,320 Speaker 1: I just turned thirty nine. I'm getting older. I've always 1021 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: been older than you. You are a dinosaur, sir. So like. 1022 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,520 Speaker 1: But it's interesting that that the Ravens possibilities of who 1023 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,720 Speaker 1: they could draft a quarterback are are much wider. 1024 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree, And we'll see if they end 1025 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 3: up using a late round pick. I think you know, 1026 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 3: when he talked about only having five picks. It's like 1027 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 3: you need to make him count more than ever. Sure, 1028 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 3: And so you know, do the Ravens end up using 1029 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 3: a late round pick on a quarterback? I guess we'll see. 1030 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 3: You know that that's a big question, but it is 1031 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,919 Speaker 3: if they if they end up only with five picks, which, 1032 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 3: like I know that Jeremiah said he'd be shocked. He 1033 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 3: need his paper, all that stuff. You need a trade 1034 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 3: partner to trade back, you know, if you're gonna do that. 1035 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 3: So it takes two to tangos. So you need to 1036 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 3: find somebody that you feel like has given you the value. 1037 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 3: Based on what I've heard, like, I think that the Ravens, 1038 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 3: sure in theory, would they like to add another pick 1039 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 3: or two? 1040 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 2: Sure? 1041 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 3: Right, But I don't get the sense that they're like, 1042 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 3: you know what trade trade backer. 1043 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: Buss Well, Well, Tom McShay just said on a commerce 1044 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: call earlier today that he has seventeen prospects with first 1045 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: round grades. Right, So if the rest of the NFL, 1046 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: and from what we've kind of the buzz is that 1047 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: like that everybody around the NFL kind of feels this 1048 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: way that like there's not a ton of first round depth, 1049 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: like high end talent, you know what I mean? And 1050 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: so who's trading up in draft like that? If the strength, 1051 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of considered a little bit of 1052 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: a weaker draft overall. But if the strength of this 1053 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: draft is is in later rounds, the second, third, middle rounds, 1054 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: I suppose the first who's moving up to twenty two? 1055 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,800 Speaker 1: Then mhm, you know, unless you really have a position 1056 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 1: of need, or you know, somebody was coming up for 1057 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback let's say hend and Hooker. Yeah, you know, 1058 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: and somebody wanted to move up for that, but like 1059 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: or somebody tumbles down the board. I mean their scenarios 1060 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,799 Speaker 1: of course, but generally speaking, I think that this will 1061 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: not be a draft where people are saying, man, the 1062 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: shelf is at twenty five or at twenty eight, and 1063 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,239 Speaker 1: that's how many first round players there are. I gotta 1064 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: get in there. I got to trade up to get 1065 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: in you know, a first round guy. They might the 1066 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: board might be clear of first round talents, and everybody's 1067 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: just like, I'd rather have a I'm just as content 1068 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: having an early second round pick as I am the 1069 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: twenty second. 1070 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 2: Well. 1071 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: Also, like, guy, go. 1072 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 3: Back to what Eric said at the pre draft press 1073 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 3: conference when he talked about like the pendulum kind of 1074 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 3: has to swing the other direction. They had so many 1075 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 3: picks the last few years, and so at a certain 1076 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 3: point you need to have a leaner draft in terms 1077 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 3: of the number of picks. Yeah, else you're just not 1078 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,359 Speaker 3: gonna have enough spots. 1079 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,919 Speaker 1: On the team, right. 1080 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 3: And so if the Ravens feel like they're in win 1081 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 3: now mode and there are a couple pieces away, you know, 1082 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 3: they may be looking, like Blackburn said, you know, it's 1083 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 3: more quality over quantity. 1084 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: I think what's gonna happen is when the Ravens are 1085 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 1: coming up at twenty two, as as is always the case, 1086 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,919 Speaker 1: they're gonna have their whatever five guys that they would 1087 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: feel comfortable drafting, right, and if there's four on the 1088 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: board still at twenty two when they're on the clock, 1089 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: then they'll see if the phone rings and see if 1090 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: they can move back a few spots or whatever. And 1091 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: if it doesn't, it doesn't you take the top guy. Yeah, 1092 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, like I think that they will explore it 1093 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,919 Speaker 1: and certainly be open to the option of trading back 1094 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,359 Speaker 1: a little bit and picking up some orb even who knows, 1095 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 1: maybe you could trade back far out of the first 1096 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: round completely. I think they'll be open to that possibility, 1097 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,840 Speaker 1: but I also, to your point, agree that they are. 1098 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 1: I think they understand that this is not going to 1099 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,200 Speaker 1: certainly not going to be an eleven player draft class, 1100 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: that it could be a thinner draft class, and like 1101 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: if they're gonna pick twenty two, they'll be ready to 1102 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,720 Speaker 1: pick twenty at twenty two. Yeah, yeah, totally. 1103 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 3: So it was great to talk with him. Also, we 1104 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 3: want our listeners to know that we are having a 1105 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 3: draft party at Mt. BAK Stadium that is coming up 1106 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 3: on the first round April twenty seventh, so you can 1107 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 3: get your tickets to that on our website. It's gonna 1108 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 3: be a great time. We've got some Ravens legends there, 1109 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 3: Jacobe Jones, Courtney Upshaw, Corny Up, He's coming back in town. 1110 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: He's gonna be there in a while. 1111 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. Pronomic Fee is gonna be there, Angiem Smith. So 1112 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 3: there's a bunch of guys from the twenty twelve Super 1113 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 3: Bowl team Loose, So that's gonna be that's gonna be 1114 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 3: at the stadium on the first round, so get your 1115 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 3: tickets to that. It should be a great time. And 1116 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,880 Speaker 3: then on that Saturday, there's gonna be an outlet sale 1117 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 3: at the stadium. 1118 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 1: To speaking my language, outlets sales, you're discount, you might 1119 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: stop there before heading over. Well, you gotta get the 1120 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,399 Speaker 1: barbecue plate like we talked about last week too. 1121 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 3: That's on Thursday night. Okay, yes, so you get that 1122 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 3: on Thursday, yeah before coming in here. Yeah, then on 1123 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 3: Saturday stop in and stop off on your Ravens gear 1124 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 3: at the outlet sale. 1125 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,839 Speaker 1: Double dipper and Thursday and said perfect, I love it. 1126 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. As always, you can read us 1127 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: at the lounge at Ravens NFL dot net. Subscribe, rate 1128 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,440 Speaker 1: and review please and make sure you're of course checking 1129 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,319 Speaker 1: out and subscribing to the Ravens Press Past podcast as well, 1130 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: which had our entire pre draft press conference on there 1131 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: and Theodelle Beckham Introductor pres. 1132 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 3: And don't have all the pressures from draft weekend, and 1133 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 3: we'll have all those pressures from draft. 1134 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: We that'll be a lot, there'll be a lot of 1135 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:05,720 Speaker 1: pods dropping. 1136 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 3: And then just at other teas we're in you know, 1137 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,959 Speaker 3: as we're in teas mode right now. Yeah, our seven 1138 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,120 Speaker 3: round box coming next week. Okay, we were just arguing 1139 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 3: the seven round Bock episode is dropping next week, So 1140 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 3: who do you think we will? I always love getting 1141 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 3: seven round box from the fans as well, so go 1142 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 3: ahead and send us your seven round box. You can 1143 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 3: email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 1144 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 3: We might go ahead and read some of those mocks. 1145 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: We will. We will go ahead and read some of this, yes, 1146 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: the best ones if we agree. If you make the 1147 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,959 Speaker 1: same pixe as me, I will read it. Your picture 1148 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: gonna be terrible, Gosh, you're gonna be bad. All right, 1149 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,560 Speaker 1: We'll be back to the next week.