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Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now,

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Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with

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Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of

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Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons

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Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical

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Speaker 1: death and so will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: I thought today i'd introduce you to a very scientifically

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Speaker 1: It's a common thought amongst skeptics that science and a

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Speaker 1: There are many sciencetists like Dr Alan Huguenot that are

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Speaker 1: doctorate of Science and Mechanical engineering, and he is a

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Speaker 1: nationally recognized expert in physics and engineering science. After surviving

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Speaker 1: a near death experience in nine seventy he has made

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Speaker 1: a forty five year scientific study of consciousness, survival, and

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Speaker 1: evidential mediumship. He now serves as research medium with the

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Speaker 1: Consciousness of Research Lab at the Institute of Noetic Sciences

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Speaker 1: and also serves with Dr Gary Schwartz at the University

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Speaker 1: the International Association for Near Death Studies i AMS dot

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Speaker 1: org and the Academy for Spiritual and Consciousness Studies. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Dr Alan, We're happy to have you here. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: and I'm super excited to have you share your words

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Speaker 1: with my listeners today. All right, Well, I was a

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Speaker 1: death experience in nineteen seventy that Raymond Moody didn't publish

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Speaker 1: his book on n coin raise Near Death Experience. So,

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Speaker 1: And you know that you can't use something else you

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Speaker 1: just that's a stupid argument. Yes. One of their study

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Speaker 1: Claire Sentient clairvoyant and Clare Audience. That's what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: Now where it's coming from? Is it coming from a

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Speaker 1: This is not history that I'm reading about Helen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Hell plays with me from the other side, and I

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Speaker 1: And then when Gail knew I wanted Turquoise to break

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Speaker 1: after I'm working as a medium. The turquoise does do that.

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Speaker 1: professional writing from her. And we're working on the cel

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Speaker 1: phone with with Gary Schwartz uh and Gary had said

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Speaker 1: here to go get the answer. I mean this is

428
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: like a year and a half ago. Go get the answer.

429
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Speaker 1: I said, Okay, what's the question. He says, no, no no,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work to wate this triple blind. You just

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Speaker 1: go get the answer. Oh thank you, okay. So I

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Speaker 1: go off to get the answer, and um, four and

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Speaker 1: a half five months later. Uh, I started getting this

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Speaker 1: this information for about six weeks through Helen, and it's

435
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Speaker 1: coming from James Kirk Maxwell and Max Planck and and

436
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Speaker 1: it's coming to me. And other people get their information

437
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: from David Baum and the people like that, but here

438
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Speaker 1: it comes. And I was told before I met Gary

439
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Speaker 1: that that James Kirk Maxwell would be working through me.

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Speaker 1: And so here I am getting this information and it's

441
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: all about optics. And I think, well, you know, Gary

442
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: is working on audio, you know, And I'm getting all

443
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: this optical information crystals and latt of structures and this

444
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: is all this is crazy, you know. So but I

445
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: write it all down because, as I'm taught at author

446
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: Finland College, give what you get. So I write down

447
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: and give what you get. And this is what Helen

448
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: said this day, what Helen said that day, and here's

449
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: what Max Plank said, and here's what James Kirk Maxwell said,

450
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: so I get it all done in a package. It

451
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Speaker 1: a lot after the six weeks since in the end

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Speaker 1: of July, and and Gary says, when you guys coming

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Speaker 1: down because he wants to see my wife's the tesla asked,

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Speaker 1: and so I said, oh, we'll come down in August.

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Speaker 1: So we'll be drive down in August. We get there

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Speaker 1: and we go out to Tombstone Territory. We come back

457
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Speaker 1: and we haven't fun. And then Sunday afternoon we go

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Speaker 1: to Gary's lab and we sit down and Gary says, okay, Alan,

459
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Speaker 1: by the way, you got the answer, So I did,

460
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Speaker 1: what was the question again? You know, and you verify

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Speaker 1: what I've been looking to get a verification on. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I wanted you, a scientist who was a

463
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Speaker 1: medium to go do this, because Ron has been working

464
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Speaker 1: over she's an artist, and you know, for her to

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Speaker 1: explain it in scientific terms are very difficult. It's taken

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Speaker 1: a long time, and you've verified everything she's worked seven

467
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Speaker 1: years to get when you've done in about six weeks.

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Speaker 1: And I liked that, and I said, well, part of

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Speaker 1: that is because we already made the pattern and I

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Speaker 1: can find the pattern and follow it. But but it's

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Speaker 1: also the download from the other side. And he says,

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Speaker 1: now that we have the verification independently, and he says,

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Speaker 1: other meetings that got me a piece of each of this.

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Speaker 1: You know, they'll get this piece of that piece, but

475
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: you've got this old chunk. And I said, but it's

476
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: optical and he says, yeah, I know. That's what I wanted.

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Speaker 1: And you thought it was audio, didn't you. And I said, yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: I thought you wanted audio. He says, well, I just

479
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Speaker 1: lead you astray on purpose. Um, well, and this is

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Speaker 1: about the technology behind the soul phone exactly right. Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: that's the stuff we're doing. We're talking to these scientists

482
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Speaker 1: from the other side and getting this stuff and that

483
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Speaker 1: comes through Helen See and Helen and you say to

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Speaker 1: the scientists, why do you work through us? You know,

485
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Speaker 1: you're pretty famous. Why are you working through us? Why

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Speaker 1: don't you go somewhere else? And they said, because you're

487
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Speaker 1: the only ones doing it where else were gonna go

488
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Speaker 1: and come on, give me a break. And that's literally

489
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Speaker 1: what they tell us. You're the only ones doing it

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Speaker 1: where you're gonna use you And that's why they use us.

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Speaker 1: We have enough belief and they've told me. They say, well,

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Speaker 1: you and Helen have known each other for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I've never met her before in this physical life. Early

494
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: we've known each other before. And Helen reads me like

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Speaker 1: a book. She doesn't come through for her own daughter.

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Speaker 1: Who Gail, who can go and see when she said,

497
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Speaker 1: Arthur finally taking a class, she can see the spirit

498
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Speaker 1: standing mixed to the people. Helen doesn't talk to Gail.

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Speaker 1: She talks to me, and it's like it's the craziest

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Speaker 1: thing in the world because it's her mom. She talks

501
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Speaker 1: to me. It's like okay, and um and and and

502
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: but Gails can say, when I write these impressions, that again,

503
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: she says, oh, that's Helen right there. I can see that.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's hers. Oh yeah, she said that, and and

505
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Speaker 1: so she can see her mom in it. And and

506
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Speaker 1: yet she doesn't talk to her. But the first time

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Speaker 1: I ever got a reading from a medium who brought

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Speaker 1: up Hell and she said, I've got a mother figure here.

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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking my grandma and my mother and like that.

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Speaker 1: And she says she's an architect from Minneapolis. I said, well,

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Speaker 1: first off, none of my grandmothers are architects, and none

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Speaker 1: of them him from Minneapolis. Yeah, now I'm from Minnesota,

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00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: from Virginia, Ohio and you know, in Kansas, Missouri. And

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00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: she says, I'll go back, And then she comes back.

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Speaker 1: You know, year old, meet him really great, and she says, Oh,

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Speaker 1: she says, she's not exacuti relative, but she's a mother figure. Well,

517
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: who's not exactly your relative, but a mother figure your

518
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Speaker 1: mother in law couldn't be anybody else. And then she says,

519
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: and she's not an architect, but she draws houses. I

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00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: live in a building that she drew um and then

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Speaker 1: she said, and she's definitely from Minnieapolis. And Helen is

522
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Speaker 1: definitely from Minneapolis. We'll be back in just a moment

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Speaker 1: to continue listening to Alan, but wanted to point something

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Speaker 1: out to you. The way mediumship works is that the

525
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Speaker 1: deceased can only use the information that is already in

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Speaker 1: your own memory bank. Helen new architecture. So it makes

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Speaker 1: sense why she is working from the other side with

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Speaker 1: Dr Allen, who is also a marine architect. For the

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Speaker 1: scientific information need to proceed with the soul phone. Dr

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Speaker 1: Gary Schwartz worked with Dr Allen to get the information

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Speaker 1: from scientists in the afterlife because Dr Allen is a scientist.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to see to the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 1: and we are with scientists and medium Dr Alan Hugedo,

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Speaker 1: questioning how do we really know if it's the other

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Speaker 1: side communicating As scientists, we just don't know. But to

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Speaker 1: us mediums, oh, yes, we know exactly. The spirit is

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00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: talking to us, and it's really that person. And when

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Speaker 1: I do readings and I get names and I know

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Speaker 1: their name, and I've got somebody's mother there, and their

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Speaker 1: sister in law that died, and their brother, and I

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Speaker 1: got on all by name, and I'm talking. What else

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Speaker 1: can it be except those individuals coming back, of course,

564
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Speaker 1: will be their memory. It's more than that. And so

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Speaker 1: we're busy doing that. And that's why I wrote the

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Speaker 1: book Um the the the New Science of the Conscious Universe.

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Speaker 1: I wrote that book because people have to know that

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Speaker 1: quantum electrodynamics supports everything that we think. And the materialists

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Speaker 1: are using old stuff from three fifty years to go.

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Speaker 1: They're based on the first principles of materialism, and those

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Speaker 1: first principles were all assumed to be self evident three

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Speaker 1: and fifty years ago. Now, nobody's ever sat down and

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Speaker 1: tried to prove them, and if they would, Quantum electric

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Speaker 1: dynamics does not support reality. It does not support determinism,

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Speaker 1: it does not support certainty, it doesn't support to support

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Speaker 1: any of these basic principles of materialism. But it does

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Speaker 1: support a conscious universe, and it does support multiple dimensions.

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Speaker 1: If you take string theory and you look at string theory,

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Speaker 1: there are eight different levels out there, seven more than

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Speaker 1: the three we have, plus m theory on top. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the Cabbala, it's um or you

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Speaker 1: look at the the older um interpretations, um, there's seven heavens,

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Speaker 1: and then there's God or I and saw off above that.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at these older systems of looking

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Speaker 1: at consciousness which are religious, and you look at string theory,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's just a different way of

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Speaker 1: saying it. What we do it mathematically or we do

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Speaker 1: it in a metaphysical way, and metaphysics just means beyond physics.

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Speaker 1: And when Discards divided it up, he said, physics is

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Speaker 1: going to be what we can see and metaphysics is

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Speaker 1: going to be what we can't see. And we've got

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of materialists that think the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is what we can see understand, there's this whole other

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Speaker 1: part that discards and Newton. Newton was an alchemist, for

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Speaker 1: Heaven's sake. He was into where where do we get

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Speaker 1: this information? How do we get this information? The Nobel

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Speaker 1: laureates who gave us quantum electric dynamics were into hind

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Speaker 1: do this and good off that, and they were into

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Speaker 1: everything else, and they were not into what everybody thinks materialism.

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Speaker 1: What happened is we didn't listen to the German intelligencia

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Speaker 1: after the Second World War. We thought, oh the Holocaust,

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Speaker 1: Germans are terrible. And so the American second level intellects

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Speaker 1: who were running the colleges, but Nobel laureates who gave

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Speaker 1: us quantum electro dynamics began to say, we won the war.

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Speaker 1: American knows we're the best, instead of looking at saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, those guys who gave us quantum electro dynamics

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Speaker 1: really knew what they were doing. And what did they say?

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Speaker 1: Max plunk in nine before he called Einstein to come

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Speaker 1: work with him over at Berlin, Max said, mind is

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Speaker 1: the matrix of matter. Mind is the matrix of matter.

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Speaker 1: In other words, the universe is conscious. Those guys knew

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Speaker 1: what they were doing. Schrodinger direct Board, all of those

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Speaker 1: people knew that the universe is conscious. We're still having

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Speaker 1: to prove it ninety years after they they had quantum

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Speaker 1: electric enemies completely nailed down. It took for the three

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Speaker 1: scientists to put the mathematics to it. But we already

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Speaker 1: knew that quantum in life durynamics is real. And why

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Speaker 1: don't I say quantum electro dynamics. Everybody else says quantum mechanics.

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Speaker 1: That because surialists trying to say that it's mechanical. It's

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Speaker 1: not mechanical, it's not physical. It's not quantum mechanics. It's

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Speaker 1: quantum electro dynamics. That's what they called it. And so

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Speaker 1: quantum mechanics makes sense to a materialist. It's not it's

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Speaker 1: a separate thing. It's different. Quantum electro dynamics requires an

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Speaker 1: observer outside the system. Okay, And when you see the

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Speaker 1: double slit experiment, and I often explain that when I'm

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Speaker 1: doing a presentation, but you can and look up um

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Speaker 1: doctor quantum. And Fred ellen Worth has a great Fred

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Speaker 1: Allen Wealth has a great cartoon of Doctor Quantum with

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Speaker 1: the double Slit experiment and the double Slit experiment. The

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Speaker 1: thing that's so important to know, and this was in

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Speaker 1: the movie What to Believe? Do we know? The photon

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Speaker 1: realizes that we're looking at it and decides to be

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Speaker 1: a particle of matter. Otherwise it remains a wave. It

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Speaker 1: only changes from a wave to a particle when a

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Speaker 1: conscious mind looks at it. We can record what it's

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Speaker 1: doing mechanically, and it will remain in the quantum state

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Speaker 1: until a conscious mind, a living conscious mind looks at

638
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: the data, in which case at all retroactively backwards moves

639
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: from the quantum state into the physical state. It collapses

640
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: the way of function retroactively. We can show that in

641
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: an experiment that it requires a consciousness outside of physics

642
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: to observe the potential and create what's going to be. Okay,

643
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: When you understand that at a very deep level, you

644
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: understand what David Bones talking about with the implicate universe,

645
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: explicate universe and the implicate universe. The implicate universe is

646
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: the one we don't see. The explicate one is the

647
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: one we do see. But when we do see comes

648
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: from the one that we don't see. When you understand

649
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: all of that, you finally get to the realization that

650
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: when materialists talk about the Big Bang, all you have

651
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: to do is ask them what was here two weeks

652
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: before the Big Bang? They gotn't have an answer, so

653
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: they're Big Bang is the worse creation story than any

654
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: religion saying God made it. It's so there's nothing to

655
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: support it. But here's the reality from quantum electro dynamics.

656
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: There had to be a consciousness observing the Big Bang

657
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: to make it happen, to make the way function collapse

658
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: into the Big Bang, there had to be a consciousness.

659
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: Quantum electro dynamics requires it. Now, if you say, well

660
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe in quantum electro dynamics, fine,

661
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: get rid of your cell phone, get rid of anything

662
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: with the transistor in it, because we need transistor. We

663
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: need quantum electro dynamics to be true in order for

664
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: you to have a transistor. And we've had transistor since

665
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: and they're all based on quantum electro dynamics being true.

666
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: It's the most proven theory of all the physics of

667
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: all of time. Wow, that's incredible, Alan, I wanted to

668
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: ask you about the power of intention I've studied at

669
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: the Arthur Findlay College and it was said many, many

670
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: times how powerful intention is. Can you talk a little

671
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: bit about that. Absolutely? Intention is absolutely and tied into

672
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: all of this, and what you intend is what will occur.

673
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: Intention creates the universe when when you observe, why does

674
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: the photon become what you want to see them? You know,

675
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: Einstein said it this way. So if all of that's true,

676
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: then if we stop looking at the moon, it disappears.

677
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: That's what Einstein says. Yes, if if everyone stopped looking

678
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: at the moon, it would disappear. It only just appears

679
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: because we start to look at it. And you say, well,

680
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: how can that be? Well, we reappear. You and I

681
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: are an illusion to begin with, and we constantly reappear

682
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: right where we are. We're constantly reoccurring operation, and we

683
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: remterialize out of the zero point field the dark energy

684
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: into the light energy that we see. We re materialized

685
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: twenty three septillion times a second. That's a pretty big number.

686
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: It's got a lot of zero. It's hard for my

687
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: brain to get around this, and I trust it. You

688
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: and I are a continuously reappearing apparition and We're being

689
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: formed out of the universe all the time, and so

690
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: is the desk in the chair and everything around you. Okay,

691
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: and there's some collective intention here. If I go to Yosemite,

692
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see half dome, just like you saw half

693
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: dome at Yosemite. Okay, we're gonna see the same thing.

694
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: That's collective intention. Okay, we're all going to see half dome.

695
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: But half dome is not really there. It's just appears

696
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: in front of us tillion times a second. And you say, well,

697
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: I can watch a chip of rock fall and off

698
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: the cliff and fall down there and become part of

699
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: the tunnel slope below there. Yep, you can watch that.

700
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: We create the universe. It's the only way it possibly

701
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: can be if quantum electric dynamics is true. If it's

702
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: not true, we have to give rid of the cell

703
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: phones and the plasma TVs and and just about everything

704
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: we do so it is true. So if it's true,

705
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: then that has to be true too. It this is

706
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 1: a beautifully orchestrated illusion. Well, even if you get down

707
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: to us in a molecular cellular atoms within us, I mean,

708
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: there's no matter there isn't it just vibrating energy. It's

709
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: just a vibrating thought there. It's just a piece of consciousness.

710
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: And that's where we go strength theory and stringth theory.

711
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: We try to explain strength theory, we say, think about

712
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: a string vibrating without a string being there. And so

713
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: when you try to picture that, what have you got? Nothing?

714
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 1: You You've got a thought there. It's nothing that. There's

715
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: just a consciousness there. That's all there is. And so

716
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: when you watched the photon just a part of the universe,

717
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: saying oh she's looking at me, I got to become matter.

718
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: But you see in the double stood experiment, you realize

719
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: that the photon is conscious. Okay, the photon knows you're looking.

720
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the photon is conscious. Oh my gosh. Okay,

721
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: So if the photon is conscious, that we have to

722
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: live in a conscious universe. And the materialists say, oh,

723
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: I can't stand at My brain hurts. No, it can't be.

724
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: My brain hurts. I can't take this in. You know,

725
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Well take it in. It's real. That's what it is.

726
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: And I, as I say in my book, the luckiest

727
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened to me was I got killed

728
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: in a motorcycle wreck, luckiest thing that ever happened, because

729
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: it opened me up to the other side. Otherwise I'd

730
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: probably be one of those stupid scientists, arguing, Allen, before

731
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: you went to the Arthur Finlay College to learn mediumship,

732
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: didn't you do some kind of at home study course.

733
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: Marris Pratt, the Spiritualist Church in the United States has

734
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: the Morris Pratt Institutes about so only have a very

735
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: good curriculum. They've been teaching spiritualism for a hundred years,

736
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: of healing, mediumship, and how to be a Spiritualist minister

737
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: all at once. Well, I was afraid of things, you

738
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I grew up in a fundamentalist

739
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: Baptist family and you know, to to do the seance

740
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: or you know, you're talking to the devil. According to them,

741
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: My sister thinks gone to the devil, and she prays

742
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: for me every day, you know, because I'm a medium.

743
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: She thinks they're devil. But she thinks I've gone to

744
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: the devil, and she's entitled in her to her opinion, right,

745
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: And so I was afraid. So I said, well, maybe

746
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: I can take this correspondence course. So I took their

747
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: correspondence course, and I spent about six years getting through

748
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: that four year course. Finally to finish it, I took

749
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 1: a cruise for thirty five days so that I would

750
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: have enough time to get through the last ten lessons

751
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: get done. And then the first time I was on

752
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: the platform in front of people doing a reading, I

753
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: almost got a name. I had the young ladies deceased,

754
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: and my fiance told what he looked like and everything else,

755
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: and then I said he had something to do with

756
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: basketballs and she said he doesn't even like sports. He

757
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with basketball, so and I said, oh, Later,

758
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: I said to Helen, what was that about. She said, well,

759
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: the only professional basketball player you know is Jack Sigma

760
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: of the Seattle Sonics. And I was trying to make

761
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: you think basketball so that you could say his name,

762
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: which was Jack. Went back and asked the girl, what

763
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: was your boyfriend's name? She said Jack. It's interesting we

764
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: say we want to believe in the afterlife, but it's

765
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: hard getting our minds around the science of the afterlife.

766
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: If you want to go down the rabbit hole even

767
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: further into science, watch the movie What the Bleep Do

768
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: We Know? And find the double slit experiment by Dr

769
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: Quantum Fred Allen Wolfe on YouTube. We'll be back in

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00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we've been a very deep conversation

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00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: with Dr Alan Hugueno, nationally recognized expert in physics and

799
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: engineering science and a psychic medium. Alan, you've often spoken

800
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: about helen, your middleman on the other side, helping you

801
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: with your mediumship. Do we all have a helen? There

802
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: seems to be, whether they know it or not, there's

803
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: a middleman. And the way the reason that is for spirits, particularly,

804
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: somebody died and they're just over the other side. They

805
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: we think, well, my my husband just died, of my

806
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: wife just I certainly they can communicate with me. Well, no,

807
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: they have to learn how they've never done this before.

808
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: In fact, on this side they didn't even believe in it,

809
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: So now they're how are they going to communicate back

810
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: to you? So they go to the medium on that side,

811
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: and it's easiest way to see that there's four of us.

812
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: There's me and there's Helen, and then there's the sitter here,

813
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: and there's the the spirit over there that wants to

814
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: talk to the sitter. And so they talked to Helen,

815
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: and Helen puts it into things that fit in my

816
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: head and like Jack, and bring it out from me

817
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: so that I'll say Basketball's means Jack, you know, and

818
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: I will say it. And so Helen makes puts the

819
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: feelings into me to make me speak, and she knows

820
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: how to do that, so she must have known me before.

821
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: And I'll get the right name and I'll get the

822
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: right relationship and and I don't know how it happens.

823
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: I really don't know how it works. All I know

824
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: is they do to it. And it seems that Helen's

825
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: making that happen, and she's pretty happy to tell me, Yeah,

826
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm right here, that's me. That's what's

827
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: going on, So okay, and that's what's happening. So it

828
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: appears that they needed. Uh. You know, they're not just

829
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: suddenly magic on that side. They're just like us. It's

830
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: just the next chapter. We've stepped into the next chapter

831
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: about Saga, and they're just like us. They still have

832
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: just the same kinds of problems that we have. So

833
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: they need to get a medium to talk to. The

834
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: medium pretty simple. The soul phone is going to solve

835
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: that a little bit. We're going to make it a

836
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: little more obvious to people that you can really talk

837
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 1: to those deceased, departed loved ones. They're not really dead.

838
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how the technology with the soul

839
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: phone develops. I remember being a kid Alan and we

840
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: were at disney World back when it first opened, and

841
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: I remember walking up to a kiosk and somebody could

842
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: see my face and I was talking to them like

843
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: we have face time now and zoom, and to me,

844
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: that absolutely mind blowing. And then one of the rides

845
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: said someday there will be a computer in every household,

846
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: And here we are so many years later, and we

847
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: have that, and not just a computer in every household,

848
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: but our cell phones do everything and more that computers

849
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: could do. So I'm really excited to see the future

850
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: of the soul phone, and it sounds to me like

851
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: we can text our loved ones text things. About five years,

852
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: we're going to be two years if they have what

853
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: we call the soul switch. We have that right now.

854
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: It's very proven technology. Um. We can get guests no

855
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: um and the twenty questions. You can get anything you

856
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: want from the other side using the yes no soul switch.

857
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: We detect their presence. So we're working on the keyboard

858
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: and we have the keyboarding and have text and that's

859
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: within the next five years. Honestly, it's really Hereups get

860
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: goose bumps. Think about texting your deceased relative and then

861
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: they text back. Okay, that's the technology exists. We have,

862
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: we have everything we need to do it, and we

863
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: have spirit that works with Gary and the other scientists

864
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: on this, and it's coming. I can't say too much

865
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: because a lot of proprietary, but it's we're keeping it

866
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: in proprietary. We holding it for the people on the

867
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: other side who gave it to us. I'm excited about this, Alan,

868
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: and I know so many listeners will be as well.

869
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: I know many of us have been just keeping our

870
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: mouths quiet and not talking about our love for investigating

871
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: the afterlife. So many people think we're weirdos and that

872
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: there's no proof of the afterlife. And to have incredible

873
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: people like yourself and Dr Gary Schwartz and Sonya Naldi

874
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: and people with the Afterlife Research and Education Institute, it

875
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: makes me feel good that I can share, that I

876
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: can share what I of and know that it's backed

877
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: up by science. You're serving spirit and that's what we're doing.

878
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: And I never charged anybody any money for mediumship. I

879
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: do it strictly for the science of it. It's not

880
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: it's not a game. It's not a way to make money,

881
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: it's not it's none of that. It's absolutely real, nothing

882
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: wrong with making money at it. But a lot of

883
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: people accused, accused people of being frauds and everything else

884
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: because of the money issue. That's not it at all.

885
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: It's absolutely real. No one's ever paid me a nickel.

886
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: And yet I've given them names and relationships and tell

887
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: them everything about the person who's talking to them, and

888
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: then I tell them things that only that person could

889
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: have said. And I don't know where it comes from.

890
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: And I always know I know when I'm right on

891
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: because my mind will say, alan, where are you getting

892
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: this crap. Okay, that's what my mind will say. And

893
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: when it's really not me at all, it's coming from

894
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: outside and it's absolutely be them, and they'll mention something

895
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense to me at all and

896
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: absolutely makes sense to the person. And that's what this

897
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: is about. We're serving spirit and we're going to do

898
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: that and we're at a point where the technology is

899
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: going to take us across the line. And and James

900
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: Clerk Maxwell said, this has ramifications way beyond anything you

901
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: can imagine, way out into the universe at too many levels,

902
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: and were this is the first crossing of this divide

903
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: into the physical from the other dimensions. And just the

904
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: fact that we can detect spirit and now that we

905
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: can talk to them openly in a texted messages is

906
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: way beyond anything we've had before. And suddenly people who

907
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: say there is no afterlife, this is all b S

908
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: and everything else. And by the way, b S stands

909
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: for belief system. I hope you know that, No I didn't.

910
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: That's great. BS is the belief system. We all have

911
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: our BS, our religion and even if your religion is materialism,

912
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: it is a really legion. It is a belief system.

913
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: It is a b S. And they don't seem they think,

914
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: oh no, we're not superstitious. But superstition. According to Carl Sagan,

915
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: superstition is a belief without data, and so believing in

916
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: materialism based on six first principles which have no data

917
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: to back them up, has got to be superstition, and

918
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: it is. Quantum electro dynamics is not superstition. We have

919
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of evidence for the fact that the universe

920
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: responds to your intention. Well, that's good and bad news

921
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: because we really have to watch our thoughts and our words.

922
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: You say poor me, that's your intention, So don't say

923
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: poor me. Oh I love it now. A lot of

924
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: people think we need to be able to see it

925
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: or smell it, or taste it or touch it to

926
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: know something's real. Isn't there a world that's happening in

927
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: the invisible space around us? For example? Um, do you

928
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: like using electric light? Don't you? I do? Have you

929
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: ever seen electricity? No? I haven't. They've ever seen electricity,

930
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: so it doesn't exist. When you use the compass of

931
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: magnetic compass, it's following the lines of magnetic floods. Um,

932
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: does they work? Have you ever seen those lines of

933
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: magnetic floods. No are they there? No, they don't can't

934
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: see them, so they don't exist. And it's like that.

935
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: All of it's like that. The only reason that they

936
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: even accept electronics is because James Clerk Maxwell, the guy

937
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: I talked to, wrote those Maxwell's equations which put magnetism

938
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: and electricity together and put them into physics, and they

939
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: just kind of snuck it in the back door, and

940
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they realize, oh my god, this

941
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: stuff is all out there. It's real. It's radiation is

942
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: different levels of of radiation on my you know, I

943
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: guess we have to deal with this. And it's all

944
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: electricity is light. It's just light that you can't see,

945
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: and you have to realize it's out of the visual range.

946
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: The visual range is this little thin little thing, and

947
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: the spirits exists in the what we call call far

948
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: ultra violet. And it's been told to us many times.

949
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: And if you understand octaves and think it's five octaves

950
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: above high sea, you'll come to a level which is

951
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: high the fire ultra violet where they are visible. You

952
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: just can't see it with your eyes. So we're working

953
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: with deriving away to see that, and when we do,

954
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: then you'll have the video phone. That's the that's about

955
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: ten years out. I have it from the other side

956
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: that we have to perfect. The torsion yin yang if

957
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: you want to call it that, or left and right

958
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: handed spin um. There's a number of different ways and

959
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: theories in history. There's a lot of different ways to

960
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: try to describe the same thing. But it's torsion. It's

961
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: not electro mechanical. We can see it in certain levels

962
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: and if it's very dark, and if we're very used

963
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: to it, are your rods in your eyes can see

964
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: if we cone scant, and so it usually looks black

965
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: and white to us instead of colored, but they aren't visible,

966
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: and we're going to do the optics to bring it

967
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: down to where we can use it. Right now, we

968
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: have infrared cameras, and infrared is a color we can't see.

969
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: Heat is infrared, and there's a color we can't see.

970
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: It's just belower our visual range. And so we take

971
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: a camera and we make the ultra violet appear in

972
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: a color like usually green, which we can see, and

973
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: that's what an ultra violet excuse me, an infrared camera does.

974
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: We're going to do that with vital Violet, so you

975
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: can see the deceased spirit talking to you still physical

976
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: like we are. How we're doing it, I'm not telling you,

977
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: but it's going to happen. Do you know what. I

978
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't understand it even if you did tell me. In

979
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: five years, you're gonna text Grandma, and in in ten years,

980
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: you'll sit you down in a booth and I'll shield

981
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: holographically right in front of you, in which he says hi,

982
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: her lips a move and everything, and you'll know that

983
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: it's her. It'll look like hers be wearing a dress

984
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: that you remember. You know. That kind of thing is

985
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: just down the road, and the people who are investing

986
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: in it are people who used to own phone companies.

987
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this. It is really something that's going on.

988
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: That sure is. And then Grandma's got to take a

989
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: class on her side to figure out how to use

990
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: the soul phone from the afterlife. Yeah, you're gonna I

991
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: don't know how they're doing it on their side exactly,

992
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: but we know on this side we'll be having booths

993
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: or studios or when we get to the texting and

994
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: will finally come in your cell phone. Eventually, just like

995
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: now you text your friends. It can will eventually work

996
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: down at that. In the beginning, it will be a

997
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: little different from that, but it's the technology already exists

998
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: for everything we're gonna do. The religions will debate with

999
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: us and hate us. You're going to see a new

1000
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: world order very rapid because no one will be able

1001
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: any longer to say that consciousness and the universe is

1002
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: not conscious, that God or the Force I would rather

1003
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: say the Force doesn't exist. And they'll no longer be

1004
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: able to say that we don't have an afterlife and

1005
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: then don't go on. It's going to be very obvious

1006
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: that all of that is true. We don't die, there

1007
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: are no dead. Thank you so much, Alan for all

1008
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: you've done and are continuing to do for our listeners.

1009
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: I encourage you to find the video on YouTube called

1010
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: The Nature of Consciousness Interview with Alan Huguenot and follow

1011
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: the latest on the soul Phone at the Soul Phone

1012
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: Foundation dot org. And if you want to tap into

1013
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: your own natural, psychic and media mystic abilities and learn

1014
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: to quiet your mind to connect with your loved ones

1015
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: in the unseen world, we have new courses starting every

1016
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: month online. Check out our calendar at Sandra Champlain dot com.

1017
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Schamplain and you've been listening to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to

1019
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:07,000
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1020
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